By The Right Scoop


***UPDATED***

I think I blew it with this one. The tactic referred to by Carney in his press conference yesterday and referenced in my video below is gun-walking, not gun-running. I mistakenly conflated the two of them. Gun-Walking to be clear is the weapons we allowed into Mexico that were never traced – the 2k weapons that turned up into the hands of the Cartel, one of which was used in Brian Terry’s death.

In the video below they are referring to gun-running which did start under the Bush admin. Now both you and I know that the announcement in March 2009 was likely the beginning of Fast and Furious under the guise of Project GunRunner. But the video below doesn’t prove that and thus I have deleted it.

The only question that remains in my mind, and it’s a big one, is how in the world can Jay Carney and the White House say gun-walking started under the Bush administration without supplying proof that it did? No, we all know it didn’t start under the Bush administration or else they’d release the documents and vindicate themselves.

In any event, I’ll try harder to not conflate these two in the future.

***

White House Press Secretary Jay Carney maintained several times yesterday that gun-running was not generated out of Washington DC and when A.G. Eric Holder found out about the tactic of gun-running, he stopped it. But this is simply not true. Deputy Attorney General David Ogden at a news conference in March of 2009 clearly associates A.G. Holder and the Obama administration with the tactic of gun-running:

For those of you who will contest this clip is out of context, go watch the entire 30 min news conference at C-SPAN.

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  • http://profile.yahoo.com/TWJQNPFWQDTCGSIGCX3Y5R3DJ4 John

    Fortify:

    a. To strengthen and secure (a position) with fortifications.
    b. To reinforce by adding material.
    c. To impart physical strength or endurance to; invigorate.
    d. To give emotional, moral, or mental strength to; encourage: Prayer fortified us during our crisis.
    e. To strengthen or enrich (food, for example), as by adding vitamins.
    v.intr.

    I also say that they were using this to ENHANCE the gun running operation! The point is the DOJ and the WH knew about it and lied about it. This is why Issa wants ALL the documents.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Steve-Angell/100001860262545 Steve Angell

      Listen to the Rush clip.

      Gun Runner tracked the guns until 2007 when the Cartels discovered the trackers. The first batch of guns were lost and the program immediately shut down. Over a thousand gun runners were arrested.

      So what program is he talking about here. It is not Gun Runner. It must be Fast and Furious.

      You were right and should put the video back up. It is very damning to the Administration. I can see why they did Executive Privilege but that will not last past a court challenge or the Arrest of Holder if they did that (very unlikely).

  • Crash_Davis

    It depends on what the definition of “end” is.

    • keyesforpres

      “End”…Obama would be all over that!

      • freenca

        “End of Obama’s Reign” November 2012!

  • GiantM

    Once again, this administration believes they are impervious to any wrong doing on their part. They simply feel invincible at every level.

    Sickening!!

  • tinker_thinker

    Liars! Great video! It came directly from obama/jarrett. Holder doesn’t want to take the rap for them!

  • neko_dachi

    “When it was discovered by the Attorney General, he put an end to it.”

    But previously, Holder said he had no knowledge of it. How did Holder discover and put an end to something he didn’t know about?

    • badbadlibs

      Would love to have seen the meldown from the podium if someone had asked that question during this clown’s bold face lie.

  • Nukeman60

    We are getting to the point where anything spoken by this administration is found (within minutes, using actual film) to be a lie (or as the administration would say, not exactly fully factual).

    Red State this morning shows video that Holder actually states that ‘Wide Receiver’ and ‘Fast and Furious’ were two different operations and ‘Fast and Furious’ was actually started by Obama’s administration. It just keeps getting better and better.

    http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2012/06/21/jay-carney-pretty-much-flubs-everything-about-operation-fast-furious/

    I say let them keep talking. It’s all on video and it’s all ‘not exactly fully factual’.

    • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

      Excellent Nukefriend! I’m doing my homework now.

  • Army_Pilot1967

    Question: How can one tell when Jay Carney is lying?
    Answer: His lips are moving (okay, that’s an old joke, but it still applies to Carney and the Obama administration).

    • williamm

      Baghdad Bob was more honest than Carney.

      • Army_Pilot1967

        Now that’s funny…..true, but still very funny!

  • NYGino

    All those who are in Obama’s circle are PHD’s….Piled Higher and Deeper.

  • Dukehoopsfan

    Opie had better be glad that “Aunt Bee” isn’t around to deal with him and all his lies.

    • Rshill7

      I’m still mad at Andy and Opie for helping get this jughead elected. Remember that? Phooey!

      The Andy Griffith Show was the best show ever. In fact, someone wrote a book entitled something like “Every thing I ever needed to know, I learned on the Andy Griffith show.”

      It was about honor, consideration of others, honesty, integrity, doing the right thing because it was the right thing to do. You know, everything this administration rejects outright.

      • Nukeman60

        The Obama’s seem to make Bill and Hillary look like Mother Teresa and Billy Graham.‘ – Rs

        Which one would be which? :)

        • Rshill7

          I would answer that, but I can’t. It’s too hard. Sinner :-)

      • badbadlibs

        I know what you mean about Andy and Opie. Andy disappointed me the most. I never took him for a liberal.
        If you’re behind any 8-ball then you have alot of company. I would venture a guess that few know about the law licenses of bo and his drag queen (sorry, is that disprectful, *shrugs shoulders*).
        They are aided and abetted by the very people who are suppose to be telling the truth on the behalf of the American people.
        The first people who should be tried for treason in this country are the MSM.

        • Rshill7

          *shrugs shoulders* aaahahahaha.

          Dat’s cuter than a baby platypus. Yay!

      • Linky1

        “The Obama’s seem to make Bill and Hillary look like Mother Teresa and Billy Graham.”

        They remind me of Jim and Tammy Faye Baker!

      • Patriot077

        I’ve read comments about the surrendering of their licenses – something that no credible attorney would do unless they were backed into a corner with serious issues/charges facing them if they don’t surrender.

        Is there any gain in surrendering a license when you consider that it takes huge dedication to take and pass bar exam? I can’t imagine circumstances that outweigh retaining the license if at all possible. Both of them musta done somethin’ big.

        • badbadlibs

          Naturally, if a conservative had lost their license to practice law we would still be hearing about it from the left.

          • Nukeman60

            If a conservative would have simply lost their license certificate off the wall, the left would be scrounging through their garbage looking for it, claiming coverup.

  • Rshill7

    NYGino, I thought that stood for pigs, hogs and dogs.

    Oink, snort, rrruff!

    A regular animal farm. Orwellian indeed. They are so much more equal than the rest of us. Smellier too.

  • detectivedick

    In the underworld of crime you always have to follow the money. Humm, ARRA money? was ARRA money used to finance the purchase of AK’s and AR’s ? Your typical gun store does not have 100’s in stock and he has to order or buy from the manufacture or other dealers. So did the DOJ have a secret cash account from the ARRA to assist the FFL dealers for aquiring F&F weapons? Generally a AR wholesales for $6-1100.00 depending on manufacturer and a AK is $4-700.00. Now, the FFL wants to order 100, he needs a wire transfer or CASH. Where did the money come from? I bet is was from Obama’s “stash.
    Follow the money! and Jay be a man and stop the crap, Do you sleep well?

    • Nukeman60

      …and Jay be a man and stop the crap, Do you sleep well?‘ – dd

      Jay’s little boy face is starting to get bags under his eyes. He doesn’t look so good, so I’d say the answer to that question is a definitive – NO!

    • keyesforpres

      EXCELLENT point! No gun store would keep hundreds of those types of weapons around.

      • Patriot077

        At some point I read that many of them were Barrett 50 calibers which are very difficult to acuire as few are manufactured. I don’t know anything about guns but these guns are said to be capable of downing aircraft.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/KYTC7EGQASGOTQYPY2KPC4XCZY Don

        That is what started this whole mess was the gun shops complaining about the number of these types of weapons being bought in bulk. They knew something was wrong and they were in the middle of it. If Holder goes down, PinocchiObama will go down with him.

  • WordsFailMe

    SCOOP: This synthesis/analysis is so good

    WEhat I would like to see is a “panel to the right of the screen where the salient points the speak is making would appear. I think it would be okay to freeze the vidoe as the points are “typed out in the box to the right. I like to be able to review the point while still being able to se the speaker’s (LIBERAL’s) face.

    Scoop-Keep this up. This is really good stuff! Breitbart say that to understand the progressives, just turn on the video camera and let it run. Picking out their talking points in freeze frame will assist these conservative, who demand reason and devour facts, the opportunity to see how these people fight, like running a football film in a strategy session in slow motion so that everyone can see which way the half back move when the center charge to his right, etc.

    Great stuff, you are on to something here!

  • 911Infidel

    The previous administration used gun-running as a lure to track down cartel members. When the guns disappeared over the border because the Mexican police didn’t do their job, the operation was ended by the on-site supervisor.

    Contrast that fact with the present administration whose goal was to run guns across the border as a ruse to shutdown gun shops and dillute the second Amendment.

    These people are devious and dangerous to the security of our Nation and to our God-given rights. Now you can add to their crimes, perjury, and obstruction of justice. And that goes all the way to the top and bottom of this administration.

    They have fulfilled the criterion of high crimes and misdemeanors, that are required by the Constitution for impeachment.

    Enough of the legal games already. Hang ‘em high.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000829771072 John Q. Jones

    It is difficult to watch this sniveling weasel. I find myself wishing I could plant my fist directly into that snarling pair of deceitful flappers…I tell myself he has probably too many teeth anyway…might as well make room by removing a few….*****POW***** right to the moon!! The arrogance and deceit spewing from this administration at all levels should have the citizens of this Country up in arms and storming to 1600 to kick this farce and all his cancerous cronies out of OUR HOUSE!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Lori-Patriot/1646473511 Lori Patriot

    Lawrence Sellin, Ph.D. is a retired colonel with 29 years of service in the US Army Reserve and a veteran of Afghanistan and Iraq. Colonel Sellin is the author of “Afghanistan and the Culture of Military Leadership”. He has tied up the loose ends and explains why Obama has been allowed to stay in office and get away with his crimes against America. http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/15-06-2012/121397-barack_obama_prison-0/

    • keyesforpres

      Great article.

      Amazing that Pravda gets what natural born means and that Rubio is NOT eligible to hold the vp or presidency.

      Must be second generation American born to two US citizens on US soil. That’s natural born in a nutshell.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000829771072 John Q. Jones

        My understanding of NBC has nothing to do with Mother.. but with Father having allegiance to another country at the time of birth… either way, Rubio isn’t eligible by my understanding…

  • TENCOLE

    My oh my…..I don’t get why my fellow countrymen aren’t up in arms over this whole debacle. *sigh*

    I wish Issa would have brought up this “vote” months ago like he should have.

  • Sober_Thinking

    Excellent job Scoop!!! And Juan Williams claims that “bloggers” are not reporters.

    This crap sickens me. If the freakin media would just do their jobs… if so-called journalists would dig – just a little – they would find out the same things and they would realize they are on the WRONG side of the issue and that this lying regime is on the wrong side of the law. This is news… but they won’t do their damn job and cover it honestly or completely. And coach potato, entitlement, complacent America is none the wiser.

    Leave it to a blogger (an extraordinarily excellent one at that, who was recently acknowledged by non other than Mark Levin himself) to do the job os so-called news agencies.

    If this slips into the night and no heads roll, then America is indead in the twilight of it’s former glory.

    We are all Breitbart (or in this case, The Right Scoop). Expose the truth. Be the voice of sanity and reason – shine the light on these liars and betrayers.

    • badbadlibs

      A thousand likes! Well said!

  • badbadlibs

    Wow, liars extraordinaire. bo and co. are relying on the old adage being true; tell a lie often enough…..

  • http://navalwarfare.blogspot.com/ Libertyship46

    Well, if Carney is right and Holder did stop it, then wouldn’t Holder want to release the documents to take credit for it? Wouldn’t he want to be as open and honest as possible if it was going to make him a big hero for stopping this operation? It’s all lies, told by liars who lie so much that they can’t distinguish between the lies and the truth anymore. Holder didn’t even send a letter to the dead border patrol agent’s family until AFTER he was embarrassed in front of Congress. Who knows, maybe Holder is prejudiced? After all, what’s another dead white border patrol agent to him? Holder is scum and the man who keeps him in power, Obama, can share that title as well for trying to cover this up.

  • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

    I remember watching these on you tube about 6 months ago. Thank you Scoop for putting these out! It is so frustrating to watch the blatant lies from dear leader’s administration yet know that these lying pukes have known about it and gave their “blessing” to it right from the start.
    Dang it what’s it going to take to impeach and bring criminal charges.

  • IwjwI

    RS, I’ve been tweeting all your stuff on this to @DarrellIssa with the hashtag #FastAndFurious And anything else I’ve found on it.

    Here is what our blog put out on it yesterday, (including your video that you first put up on it), with this subtitle: “America’s Masterminds Of Mass Murder”
    Obama and Holder Should Be Marched Fast and Furiously Off to Prison http://wp.me/pxxfo-1RS

    Keep up the great work, Scoop!

    BTW @DarrellIssa loves all the interaction on twitter with us. He has even said thank you to us for backing him and encouraging him. If any of you are on Twitter, give him a high five ^5 for what he is doing.
    Can tweet to @GOPoversight @SpeakerBoehner @GOPLeader with your thoughts on this, too.
    I do it all the time. I especially pound @SpeakerBoehner for his wimpyness and deal making with the White House. I don’t cut @SpeakerBoehner any slack. He needs to grow a set.
    These people need to know that we are watching them and that we are with them when they are right.

    FEARLESSNESS!
    You can use the hashtag #tweetcongress and it will show up on their http://Tweetcongress page.

  • http://twitter.com/ChiTownMackyD Macky D

    Gee…this white house is fudging on the facts!…I’m completely surprised! lol…I’ve been fighting the feeling that this White House is the worst ever but I no longer can denied this! This White house put health care ahead of jobs…this White house spiked the ball on Bin Laden when it was the hard work of the intelligent started by George W Bush…and the work of our intelligent soldiers who performed the task of getting Bin Laden..what does this White House do…Well I made the decision, says Obama…I sweated out for 40 minutes! Those men and women on the assignment gave their lives Mr. President! How sad that YOU now are taking complete credit for it and YOUR White house is spilling all the details like a girlfriend after her first date!…Now YOUR White house is trying blame George W Bush for “Fast and Furious” When it obvious with anyone without a bias knows that this AG knew what happened…when it happened and how it happened! But hey its worked so far so let blame Bush….When in the hell will this guy take any blame!…any fault in what decision he has made! They called Bush a “Cowboy”…What would you call this guy?…I got several names for him but lets how in the second week in November we can call him ex-President! No matter how you feel about Romney…and I’m warming up to the guy…He’s much better than the guy in office now! THINK FOLKS!…OUR COUNTRY IS ON THE LINE!

    • keyesforpres

      Agreed. As much as I wanted Bachmann and then Santorum, I’ll take Romney over the usurper. We have to get the usurper out or there might not ever be another presidential election.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/KYTC7EGQASGOTQYPY2KPC4XCZY Don

    Still can’t understand why Obama picks babbling fools to be press secretary, but you can see he has an affinity for those intellectually bankrupt because of his selection for VP. Obama has no choice but to invoke Executive Privilege. Holder may be incompetent and corrupt, but he will not go under the bus alone. It will probably be crowded under the bus before this ship of fools gets through with each other. Watching the liberals lie about Fast & Furious is hilarious.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Steve-Angell/100001860262545 Steve Angell

    Good chance this is referring to FF. They are talking about expanding Gun Runner and tracking the guns in Mexico. This is what FF did. Gun Runner was expanded into FF.

    We all know why they did this. They tried to link most guns in Mexico to America but only 5% came from America. They wanted this number up to restrict 2’nd Amendment rights in America. Thus let High Powered guns walk to say even if most do not come from America the most dangerous ones do.

    • Patriot077

      I think they also intended to “expose” gun dealers for selling these weapons so indiscriminately. Every one of the gun dealers had more integrity and intelligence than the government officials running this program.

      They were almost begging not to have to sell them.

  • rubbermeatpuppet

    I clearly remember this conference and just prior, Hillary Clinton’s sabre rattling in the media and she was clearly taking a position against gun laws and gun dealers in the US. And as you’ll hear from law makers, this is in an effort to thwart our beloved second amendment. The video of the press release you posted said it all and right from the horses mouth you get the chain of command in executing protocol when it came to drug/gun relations, operations and law enforcement protocol. It directly implicated Obama. Holder & Napolitano as they proudly boasted and claimed it was their effort on CSPAN making it clear they owned it and not suggesting this was a continuance of a Bush program. I sure wish you would re-post the video so the people can make their own conclusions.

  • stage9

    Whether or not the guns were walking or running, I do not know…all I know is something smells.

  • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

    Well done Scoop. But I am begining to wonder that Carney under dear leader is intentionally is bringing it up to confuse those who haven’t been following the story much until now.
    Holder for as much as he’s lied, states clearly that Wide reciever and fast and furious are two different opperations. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bESZcRMCBKk

  • Sober_Thinking

    No worries Scoop. Honest mistake. Carney is the “other kind” of mistake. :)

  • Hologram5

    No worries, the US has already made a HUGE mistake last POTUS election. Let’s fix that first huh?
    One
    Big
    Ass
    Mistake
    America…

  • KenInMontana

    Scoop, you didn’t “blow it”, Carney is playing word games in an attempt to reinforce their assertion that Bush is to blame, whether it’s called “walking” or “running” the end result is the same. Federal “Law Enforcement” agencies have traditionally operated as loose cannons under Democratic administrations, history bears this out.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/KYTC7EGQASGOTQYPY2KPC4XCZY Don

    Once again Jay Carney, like his predecessor, has been reduced to a brain dead, babbling fool. Keep them coming. There’s plenty of room under the bus for a few more.

  • Smith Smith

    we all makes oops.

    This was just the Obama admin trying to link and take credit for what Bush admin did. So if there program failed they could say they just did what Bush admin did. Which is so far from the same program.

    Bush Admin program
    Worked with all agencies, which inluded mexico authorities.
    1400 arrest by Mexico police.
    huge gathering of the understanding of how this traffic was working
    admitting they are losing guns and kill the program.

    Obama Admin program
    Not learning from older programs to track gun exportations.
    not working with all agencies, including mexico authorities
    losing 1700+ more guns then the old program
    Not admit that they lost the guns and trying to hide it for 8months to congress with a false report from DOJ.

    Some say that Bush’s Admin was a failed program, I think you have to look at the whole picture and how it was ran and what was gained.

    My Opinion Bush’s program was 95% successfull program that did let some guns walk, but quickly ended once discovered and no cover up.

  • freenca

    Yes, RightScoop, If the gun-walking policies were instituted under Bush, these folks would be beating each other up to get to the podiums first and loudest.

  • Menderman

    The video still proves Holder lied to Congress.

  • Nukeman60

    It’s one thing to make an honest mistake (I’m still not convinced you made a mistake here, though) and quite another thing to stand up in front of the White House Press Corps (yes, Mr President, it’s corps and not corpse) and tell bald-faced lies, twisting the truth, and parsing your words just to make the other side look like the bad guys.

    There is no lower form of lying than that. Carney should resign, leave politics and move to Russia or China, where these sort of things are acceptable. Not likely, though. We leave the judgement up to the Lord. That is true justice.

    Anyway, keep up the good work, Scoop. Your score average is still head and shoulders over any of the rest of them.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/OOKK3KBK7M2DX5OKOV7ODZ3QTA Jay

    All part of their “Blame Bush” strategy. Unfortunately for them, Bush has continued to prove what a stand-up guy he is by staying quiet throughout.

  • jiminar

    Carney is to Barrack Hussein Obama as Muhammed Saeed al-Sahaf was to Sadam Hussein. Neither one is believable.

    http://www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com/

  • http://twitter.com/MamaClaire MamaClaire

    OMG – Gunwalking absolutely started under Bush, Wide Receiver was gunwalking. It ended under Obama – or was supposed to end – the field office in Arizona, and possibly at ATF in DC, looked the other way when they were informed guns were getting across the border. Ruby Ridge, Waco, Fast & Furious – this is an ATF problem. They’re the one’s who keep bungling these gun operations.

    • http://boogieforward.us/ K-Bob

      F&F was done “At the direction of the President.” Unlike with the current Administration, the policies under Bush were with the knowledge and cooperation of the Mexican government, and no one was killed.

      These are entirely separate policies.