Allen West defends the Boehner plan

West says that the Boehner plan certainly doesn’t have everything that he wants, but it does achieve the core of what he want which is cuts, caps, and a vote on a Balanced Budget Amendment:

I wish Cauvto would have pressed him more on the plan to get to the specifics of why West believes this is an effective plan as all West gave were plan talking points with no real detail. For one thing, how can we force future Congresses to continue with the cuts from this deal? What if the bipartisan committee can’t agree on more cuts? Does West really believe we can pass a Balanced Budget Amendment with radical leftists in charge of the Senate and the Executive?



This is really just a debt increase plain and simple without any real changes in the way we do business.

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Anonymous
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Anonymous

So much for Allen West. A fallen hero by his own choice.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

So much for Allen West. A fallen hero by his own choice.

Persephone
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Persephone

“We’re not going to allow a clean Debt Ceiling to be raised…” [at 3:15]

If this takes the debate and transplants it squarely into the 2012 election countdown…then we at least will have that.
They just better not cave and give Obama the increase he’s wanting.

I know.
I wanted more!
And I still do.
This is very disappointing.

This is as disappointing as when Sarah Palin supported TARP, and then later quit as governor.
I know she had her reasons…and they were big ones.
No polititian is perfect.
I am waiting to see what Colonel West’s reasons are, for his stance on this.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

Stay strong Allen West. Politics is the art of the possible. The founders devised a system of government that can’t fully be changed in one election. Let’s take what we can get here and win again in 2012.

Jamie Lowe
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Jamie Lowe

Et tu Colonel West?

Anonymous
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Anonymous

Why didn’t Boehner have a press conference… and tell all of us to “Get your ASes in line and support his bill?”

gdblackthorn
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gdblackthorn

I sent West a message asking for an explanation of why he is defending this awful plan. It is a horrible idea to give 6 people this type of power, especially when half will be most certainly rotten and the other half will be chosen by Boehner who I do not trust. I think he is a wolf in sheeps clothing. I asked that West go on with Mark Levin and explain, hopefully he will. I think Mark will ask the right questions and bring out more details concerning what the bill really will do. I think West should be confronted with these details so we can understand his position better. I really don’t like this.

dow daytrader
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dow daytrader

nope, West is “just following orders”…..There are NO cuts to this plan,only reductions in the rate of growth,which is minimal. West can’t add or subtract I guess.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

I admire Allen West but I think he is wrong about Boehner’s debt plan.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

Thats just it, shouldn’t he just bring his thoughts and opinions to his constituents, and let them tell him how to vote, based on West’s presentation?

Noticed West said ‘HE’ thinks it is the best plan… but not anything of what his constituents think? I would even be happy if he said he thinks it is the best plan… but can not support it because of his constituents.

Orange Shaman
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Orange Shaman

This is exactly why I didn’t want to get so attached to this guy. He’s been in the military too long me thinks. He’s brainwashed beyond repair, if he’s really going to support Boner. Must be that old follow the chain of command mentality.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

All,

Sorry about the mix ups in my post; I’m new to this.

Cheers.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

Allen West loves to use miliatary metaphors. Here’s mine. He ran in the face of the enemy. Therefore he is either a coward, or worse a deserter.

Frankthephone
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Frankthephone

Allen West militarily speaking ran in the face of battle. So either; he is a coward or worse, a deserter.

Frankthephone
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Frankthephone

Allen West, ran in the face of the enemy. Militarily he would be defined as a coward.

crosshr
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crosshr

Folks, I say its painful in my ass, still it’s 3 strikes in our silent unspoken statue.
I will watch West like a hawk and count this move as part of rouge mistake on hands on training. I admire his stands on many of the other issues beside the economy. Yet there are several other vital complex components of all policies that are put together for the formation of this great nations’existence.
I would like to be very supportive of him in days to come.
I am self reminded, none is perfect, still it’s not an excuse for dropping the ball at goal line.Let’s keep them all in prayer for our childrens’ sake.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

I think it’s dazzling to be in Congress!! give him a while to get his bearings. He’s got it and he’ll learn who to listen to and who to respect. He’ll study up on things, too.

ReneePA
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ReneePA

First Pigford and now this. I am now very suspicious of Mr. West. If this continues I will send money to a conservative who challenges him when the time comes.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

So… is West so much smarter than us, that he knows whats best too? And is it so complicated we just have to “believe & trust” he is doing “what is best for us”… even if he cant explain it to us?

I’m pretty sure thats not why West, or any of the new freshmen, were elected.

stevenbiot
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stevenbiot

You nailed it! I’m sick of politicians acting like they have a trick up their sleeve, when they just played too much golf and ate too much caviar to understand the simplicity of the solutions to solve their intentionally caused problems. These guys are not smarter than anyone else; they just get to use our money to look good on camera. I should have known West was typical when he went underwater to do that American flag showboating. Wanker!!!

Rshill7
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Rshill7

I want to dislike this. Here ya’ go.

stevenbiot
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stevenbiot

Both parties planned this out months ago. They agreed that they would showcase for their bases and then come to a conclusion that would appease both parties. In other words, we gave up our principles so the left could get what they want. Who could have predicted this? Just kidding. A republican can now be regarded as a hybrid between a filthy liberal and a closet conservative.

stevenbiot
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stevenbiot

So West is just a typical politician? I’m more than shocked, not. What a turncoat! West said, basically, that he will settle for a 75% plan. So, after a few decades of accepting half measure bills that don’t take care of the problem, when do we stick to our principles? Of course the nuts are going to shoot our plans down; that is exactly what we expect them to do – no? The point of distinguishing Republican from Democrat is to show that our policies are different, and our objectives aren’t mutual. West is beltway pantywaist!

Anonymous
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Anonymous

The bottom line is making sure that in 2012 we take back our country, plain and simple. If we press for all now, we may break these egg shells we are walking on. We won in Nov.2010. Now smart and patient wins the race.

stevenbiot
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stevenbiot

Smart is not passing a bill that will tack on debt to our nation. Patient and smart doesn’t necessarily mean that we should shoot ourselves in the foot today, and go to the ER in a year. We deal with the problem now, and the American people will see that there are drastic differences between capitalists and marxists.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

Right now, there is nothing more important than getting control back. All the things that need fixing, cannot be fixed as things are. We need to focus on the prize.

stevenbiot
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stevenbiot

I thought telling a president that he couldn’t scam our country for more money was just being responsible. I say that we don’t compromise; let August 2nd come and go by paying the 29 billion in interest; and go about our merry way. By not defaulting on August 2nd, won’t we prove that Obama was a lying little Marxist? I’m sure that will be a great topic to focus on in 2012: Obama tried to scare the elderly by saying that they wouldn’t receive their Social Security. He lied! Game over.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

He can pick and choose who get’s paid. You notice that he is threatening to hold checks back for SS? If he does this, you know who get’s that blame. I’m saying bite the bullet yet again and keep your eye on the prize.

stevenbiot
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stevenbiot

Obama and the treasury get the blame. The Social Security thing will never happen though. Obama is just a doom and gloom marxist, using propaganda to communicate with morons. He forgot that, contrary to past socialist states ran by similar communicators, we have the internet nowadays to determine who is a liar and a scam, and who is a true patriot.

stevenbiot
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stevenbiot

Obama and the treasury get the blame. The Social Security thing will never happen though. Obama is just a doom and gloom marxist, using propaganda to communicate with morons. He forgot that, contrary to past socialist states ran by similar communicators, we have the internet nowadays to determine who is a liar and a scam, and who is a true patriot.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

I don’t have any survey to state how many do or don’t use the internet. But unless everyone else keeps them informed about what is really going on, the fear tactic works and old people get hostaged and scared. I hope you’re right about elderly folks having enough exposure on the net.

Additionally, using old people as barginning chips is up there as one of the most loathsome things any human could do.

Rshill7
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Rshill7

“…and a vote on a Balanced Budget Amendment…” (Scoop)

This must be the key here. We do need to have folks on the record as to how they vote on this. I think it might be the end of their political career to those voting no. The more progressives that are out with O’ in 2012, the better.

MJS
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MJS

I respect Colonel West, but he is dead wrong on this issue.

The time to fight- is NOW!

Anonymous
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Paul Ryan Tells Hannity If We Don’t Support The Boehner Plan That We Would Be Siding With Obama

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlo-ZRZG1-o&feature=player_embedded

sDee
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sDee

Sad and pathetic.

How about somebody siding with the American people? Naw…..that’s just crazy talk.

josie wales
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josie wales

Well , looks like West is a pretender like Cain . I think they were both thrown out there by design , Courtesy of the Libs , RINOS and MSM .

sDee
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sDee

Cain was following a script and shot himself in the foot. It was only a matter of time. West is another story, but I’m not sure what it is yet.

Mike Allen
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Mike Allen

Boehner’s bill calls for that super congress gang of 12. Our Constitution calls for the House, Senate, and Presidency. We ELECT all three. We have no say about the super-congress.

ANYBODY that agrees with a bill that disenfranchises “We The People” is either a progressive, a liberal, or a rino. No real conservative would agree to it, no matter how it’s spun. But I know you know that.

sDee
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sDee

No argument. It is simply that when I lose a waypoint like West, it takes time to re-orient.

Alicia
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Alicia

i have a question:if allen west is not conservative enough,who is?

elmerfud71
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elmerfud71

Ron Paul doesn’t pull any punches, and sticks with the constitution every time. He would call West a neo-con.

The Wizard of Oz
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The Wizard of Oz

That is my one criticism of West—- I think he focuses too much on foreign affairs. However, I am willing to slowly advance to a more constitutional government through means at our disposal, which are winning elections and then providing good candidates to challenge the generally accepted views the people have.

elmerfud71
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elmerfud71

If we are going to seek a political change, we have to elect principled libertarians who reject all forms of indebtedness and theft of wealth from citizens to give to others. If we don’t radically change the system, we will be suckered into literal slavery. (debt is slavery)

Alicia
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Alicia

ron paul is a libertarian,i said conservative.with all due respect to you of course.

elmerfud71
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elmerfud71

There is no more conservative person than a libertarian. Libertarians believe that nobody has the right to rob you of your wealth to give it to others. Even the tea partiers do not advocate for an end to this behavior on a principled basis. It is either wrong, or it is not. Compromise is the reason we are where we are. Compromise will only make it much worse.

elmerfud71
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elmerfud71

There is no more conservative person than a libertarian. Libertarians believe that nobody has the right to rob you of your wealth to give it to others. Even the tea partiers do not advocate for an end to this behavior on a principled basis. It is either wrong, or it is not. Compromise is the reason we are where we are. Compromise will only make it much worse.

elmerfud71
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elmerfud71

There is no more conservative person than a libertarian. Libertarians believe that nobody has the right to rob you of your wealth to give it to others. Even the tea partiers do not advocate for an end to this behavior on a principled basis. It is either wrong, or it is not. Compromise is the reason we are where we are. Compromise will only make it much worse.

The Wizard of Oz
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The Wizard of Oz

I think he sees a tactical advantage in supporting this bill because he may believe that he is avoiding disaster…..I would not call him a liar, and I’m not quite ready to throw him under the bus. Whether he’s right or wrong, I don’t know and I am concerned about the consequences of forcing the Dems to give in to CC&B….but I’m willing to take the risk, whereas others might not be.

sDee
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sDee

With Colonel West I am open to a glimmer of optimism. I want to believe that, like with any good commander, you just have to trust and follow orders. Keep the candle burning Oz, but I’m going to lie back on this one for a while.

The Wizard of Oz
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The Wizard of Oz

There is some sense to compromising because they are losing the PR debate. Preventing a calamity while convincing us we’re not eating a turd sandwich would theoretically placate the ‘tea party’ base and prevent egg on their face should things go south…but the longer the Dems hold out (which they intentionally do to demagogue the issue), the worse they can make things and then Repubs would lose with both independents and with the conservatives which is why I support holding firm to CCB.

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First, I don’t think the boehner plan, as I understand it, will prevent a calamity, any more than flyswatters would’ve done Pharaoh any good when Jehovah’s plague of flies struck Egypt.

Second, I… am… NOT… EVER! going to be placated by any sellout.

What is making things worse for the repubs is shilly-shallying around like a bunch of timid thumbsuckers instead of just saying (as others have suggested many times), “CC&B is the plan. You don’t accept that, too bad. You have a plan? Fine, YOU vote it in and YOU take the responsibility when the economy fails.”

Then they might have a chance in 2012. And the freshmen conservatives had better remember that this applies to them, too. If they melt in the heat, they’re not to be trusted in 2012. Life’s hard, fellas. We didn’t elect you to be softies.

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Anonymous

You know, I wonder if there is a strategy West’s not admitting to. If the Dems are not on board, the GOP can turn around and justifiably point the finger at Reid and Obama for scuttling even the smallest solution. Maybe West is playing the game with Boehner to prove he’s not just grand standing on a stubborn Tea Party principled stand, knowing he can take this position easily since the Dems will reject it or Obama will veto it. Krauthammer seems to believe the Dems will accept it and that a poor deal will right the ship until March or April. Maybe West feels in his gut that it won’t pass, so he figures he can still keep his powder in his pouch for next year. Now… having said that I don’t like his military 80% analogy, you don’t 80% win a war. He better learn to spare the… Read more »

sDee
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sDee

You trying to say the good Colonel is being a bit transparent? grin

The Wizard of Oz
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The Wizard of Oz

Sadly, I don’t think their leadership is that smart. This is their deal, and should the Dems refuse it, they’ll win the PR debate because the media plays defense, and the Republicans have a backwards playbook for offense.

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Anonymous

I gotcha… thinking the leadership was smart… silly me. Yes, if the Dems scuttle the deal the MSM consensus media will play defense, but remember before Nov 2010… the MSM played defense and carried tanker loads of Obama’s water, yet the Tea Party saved the day… That’s how it will undoubtedly be again (thank God) proving that it’s the electorate who has the last say… BUT America’s in a race against time by the time November 2012 rolls around… and I am not too optimistic… so I go on my knees a lot in prayer.

Anonymous
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P.S. “backwards playbook for offense”.

Don’t get me started… Boehner and the GOP NEVER EVER EVER miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity to call out the Dems for what they are, and always miss an opportunity to inform America and make their case. A simple thing like explaining that default is just a scare tactic… using simple math, or taxing the rich will make absolutely no impact… heck they could use Bill Whittle’s video from Iowa Hawk. Hell the material proof is written for them… they don’t even have to do any research… yet they fail to do so time and time again.

elmerfud71
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elmerfud71

I don’t think that they oppose each other as much as they would like us to think.

gdblackthorn
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gdblackthorn

I thought of that, but I really think the dems could be playing with us and surprise us by accepting it. That way we are stuck with the mess, and who knows if the cuts will ever come given the way this bill is written.

gdblackthorn
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gdblackthorn

I thought of that, but I really think the dems could be playing with us and surprise us by accepting it. That way we are stuck with the mess, and who knows if the cuts will ever come given the way this bill is written.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

Not enough specifics, Mr. West. And rather than criticising the dems for not having a plan, we should be looking to why the reps have a lousy one. That is something they can do something about. So DO it.

sDee
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sDee

May the greatest disappointment from one of your longest and strongest supporters find its way to you Colonel West. In you lied the hope not of winning a few deals in the DC cesspool, but the hope and excitement that America could produce such a man of character who would stand on principle.

nick
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nick

This is the second major vote where he left tea party principles to toe the party line and give Boehner cover.

nick
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nick

This is the second major vote where he left tea party principles to toe the party line and give Boehner cover.

Mike Allen
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Mike Allen

You’re exactly correct, he voted against the defunding of Pigford. He claimed it was a mistake vote. Said he neglected to do due diligence before the vote. I accepted that. But this is strike two. But we must be careful not to dis Alicia’s man. Facts being what they are.

Alicia
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Alicia

you can diss whomever you like.this forum is about different ideas and discussion of thoughts.

sadpanda
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sadpanda

Congressional republicans need to stop worrying about being blamed for a default.

Dax
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Dax

Wow. Just wow. It won’t pass the Senate. They should have just said “the Cap Cut and Balance bill is our best offer. Take it or leave it”. Now they have lost respect and trust of the people who put them there as well as shown their weakness. Poor poor move.

Dax
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Dax

Wow. Just wow. It won’t pass the Senate. They should have just said “the Cap Cut and Balance bill is our best offer. Take it or leave it”. Now they have lost respect and trust of the people who put them there as well as shown their weakness. Poor poor move.

Alicia
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Alicia

dear allen. i hope you survive your injuries from the bus you are about to be thrown under.

Mike Allen
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Mike Allen

Thrown under the bus? You have got to be kidding! Yesterday, on another thread, you questioned my IQ for pointing out the obvious. By the way, you did so without the use of a single capital letter or any backup facts.

Having said that, calling one out for supporting a bad deal is NOT throwing them under a bus, it is an obligation. Not calling them out would be dereliction of duty. You, I’m afraid, are the one who is short on IQ, and skills in the use of capital letters.

Alicia
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Alicia

i did not call you out for throwing west under the bus.i made a general statement that was not directed at you personally.this is the second time today i have been called out for not using capital letters, i’m not sure what that has to do with my i.q.(i couldn’t care less)

Josh
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Josh

In all fairness, it IS better than using ALL CAPS… smile

KenInMontana
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KenInMontana

Try to make your point without the personal insults, okay?

Mike Allen
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Mike Allen

Alicia 1 day ago in reply to Mike Allen

you say semper fi like your dumbass was in the military.you have to have an i.q. to be in the military,i don’t think you qualify.

Dear Ken,

If you are going to moderate, please moderate with consistancy.

KenInMontana
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KenInMontana

That one I missed, but my point still stands. I do moderate with consistency, ask around.
Peace out and Semper Fi Mac.

Alicia
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Alicia

i will admit i get fired up sometimes.i apoligize to you, that statement was uncalled for.i don’t recall the context in whitch i said it.but it was wrong,i’m sure if ken saw that he would have called me out.

KenInMontana
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KenInMontana

I did not see it when it was posted, that said let’s refrain from firing unless fired upon, okay?

Mike Allen
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Mike Allen

I sincerely appreciate both your comments. Thank you.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

“Ain’t” that the truth! Wow, that’s the trouble with being head and shoulders above most all in congress….the expectations are nothing less then perfection. Anything less and under he goes.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

Not sure whether Mr. West is a great chess player who knows what he’s doing, or is he being too pragmatic? I’d hate to think the bloom is off the rose regarding our new freshman, but it’s healthier to trust but verify. I’ll be watching you, Mr. West (as I gesture by pointing to eyes, then to him). smile

MaxSteele
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MaxSteele

So, what exactly did he mean when he said “from my military background”? Then went on to say this plan is 70-80% of what he wants. Really, is it a military success when you achieve 70-80% of your objective??? Looking in his eyes and hearing the lack of conviction in his voice this is not the same Allen West. I think he has been turned, he knows it, and that is why nothing he said makes any sense plus he was very defensive. This issue is where these newly elected tea party candidates show their backbone and unfortunately West and Paul have shown they have none. It is very easy to talk a good game when you are sitting in the sidelines criticizing but now it is time for them to “do”, “act” on their convictions and they have fallen short.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

By “Paul” do you mean Rand or Ron? What’s going on with them in this situation? I haven’t heard anything from them.

MichaelW
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MichaelW

Ron Paul voted against Boehner’s bill in the House to increase the spending limit; he was 1 of only 22 republicans to vote no. Rand Paul alos voted against Boehner’s bill in the Senate (he voted in favor of tabling the bill, so that it wouldn’t be passed into law). Both Pauls voted against Boehner and RINO republicans. Allen West voted for the $1 trillion debt increase. Don’t lump the Pauls with Allen West or the other tea party congressmen who don’t have the courage of their convictions.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

Thank you. Excellent, Ron and Rand.

Thanks, MichaelW

Anonymous
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Anonymous

By “Paul” do you mean Rand or Ron? What’s going on with them in this situation? I haven’t heard anything from them.

Velvet
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Velvet

Yep waste of time. I was anxious to hear West explain his rationale and answer just a few tough questions. Instead, we got a softball interview and lame answers from a man who should be able to offer a viable explanation for his position since he was a Tea Party candidate recently elected. Enough with the spending already! Raising the debt ceiling = MORE debt and THAT is the reason the credit rating is going to he!! along with our way of life, if something substantial isn’t done to effect real cuts & caps.

Constance
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Constance

I am sorely disappointed, and now, I will be watching Mr. West very carefully. I no longer consider him to be “my guy” on the conservative side. Sorry, but this fight is sorting out the real conservatives and the middle-of-the roadies. I’m watching you, Mr. West. And, my memory is long.

Alicia
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Alicia

who are the real conservatives in your opinion?

dow daytrader
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dow daytrader

Steve King from Iowa…and he doesn’t make mistakes speaking either….

Alicia
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Alicia

who are the real conservatives in your opinion?

Alicia
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Alicia

who are the real conservatives in your opinion?

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