AWESOME: London Imam unable to refute Robert Spencer’s claims about Koran

Robert Spencer was on the BBC Asian Public Radio this past Friday and at one point the host asked him to quote verses from the Koran or the Hadiths that he finds reprehensible. Robert quickly responded with several verses from the Koran and one from the Hadith. But what is hilarious about this is that when the host went to Imam to provide the proper ‘context’ for these verses, since he objected to them being out of context, he was unable to do so and when put on the spot he claimed that this is Robert Spencer’s field. What? The host quickly responded to the Imam telling him that Islam was his field, but the Imam was unable to provide any context.

Listen below to at least the first 6 minutes to hear the unprepared Imam. I let it run for a few more minutes so you could hear Robert smack down the Imam one more time after the Imam said there was nothing in the Koran that sanctioned wife beating.



If you want to listen to the full 44 minutes of Robert countering different callers with different accusations, you can do so here.

 

The reason for this BBC Radio interview was because the EDL recently invited Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller to speak at Woolwich where the Islamic attack took place a few weeks ago. Of course there’s been objection to them coming so the BBC News ran a segment on whether or not Spencer and Geller should be banned from speaking in London with the EDL at Woolwich:

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PipaColeman
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edl is non violent, non racist, just very patriotic. And we the british people support edl and anti islam

USMC 64-68
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PipaColeman  
Unless more people take a stand and speak up about what’s happening by virtue of the insane policies and practices of the leftist socialists, cultures and countries around the world will be destroyed.
The Brits are showing what we need to do in America as well.
We have seen that there is absolutely no help from gov’t – it is up to “we the people.”

lawngreen
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http://www.livefyre.com/profile/13077041/ and all others interested – a day or so ago on this thread a person made some ugly accusations against Jewish practices and laws, saying that under old Jewish law (a long time ago) it was legal for a Jew to murder a Gentile, to steal from a Gentile, etc. I told him I’d do some research, although I didn’t believe such things, based on my reading of the Bible and what I’ve heard and not heard my entire life from and about Jews. This person replied with an anti-Semite rant, so I won’t trouble him again with my comments, but for anyone who is interested, here is what a Rabbi replied to my inquiry: ################################ Thank you for your inquiry and friendship.  The sources which the person quotes below are selective quotations that take place amidst rabbinic debates about the interpretation of various biblical verses.  They do not… Read more »

PoCoTex
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lawngreen  Thanks, lawngreen. Thanks so very much for your excellent research and the superb comments from the rabbi.
Please pass on ADONAI’s blessings to him from me.

lawngreen
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PoCoTex Will do.

icefalcon
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Spencer NEVER demonizes the “Muslim community”. He points out harsh truths contained within the Qur’an, and he identifies groups and people who act on those truths. If anything, he has done more to advocate for human rights of Muslims than most of their own religious leaders, because he defends liberty for all men, not just one group. He and Pam Geller have been targeted by islamocentric agitators because it is embarrassing to have an honest conversation about what the Qur’an really says. Of course Robert and Pam are dangerous. They are asking that everyone has access to all the information and that we make up our own minds. That’s very threatening to Islamists and their non-Muslim apologists.

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Can you shut the commercial off so we can listen to the video.  Really?

lawngreen
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If there are any observant Jews on this site today, especially rabbis, would you please comment on these quotes claimed to be Jewish laws / practices of past and present. I’ve never heard any of these things, but then I’m a Gentile. Although I’m not a totally ignorant Gentile – I am a Christian, and have read through seven times what we call “the Old Testament”, Genesis through Malachi – the Law, history, poetry, proverbs, major and minor prophets. The original poster’s username is listed, so you can respond directly to him if you like, but please reply to me regardless. I want to hear from an authoritative source, and this is my first attempt to verify these claims. ################################################ henrychalder A Christian found to be preaching Christianity in Israel is an offence that will get you 5yrs in an Israeli prison. Jews are indoctrinated in Jewish schools that they are… Read more »

henrychalder
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lawngreen henrychalder No Lawn, don’t cry out for Rabbi’s who often disagree with each other, you stated that you were going to find out and if it wasn’t true you were going to the moderator, so can’t you reply?

lawngreen
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henrychalder There is no religion or philosophy the “authorities” of which all agree on everything, but the “authorities” are where you start. Are you afraid of the rabbis’ knowledge? Or of truth from any source?

And research takes time. Be patient. It may well take a week or more.

PoCoTex
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lawngreenhenrychalderHey, lawngreen, I am a Messianic Gentile. First of all, that’s good research on what you’ve read in Jewish religious literature. But, you know something, I’d prefer that Gentiles, like myself, humbly talk about their own short-comings and hypocritical statements before we start pointing out the short-comings of Jews. For myself, I have never, ever encountered a Jew who followed those man-written rules or even knew that those statements even existed. I don’t believe that the Jewish literature from which you quoted is considered by Jews to be the Word of God – only the Tanakh is – whereas the Qur’an is considered by Muslims to be the Word of God. Some of the statements issued over the years by leading Christian leaders, such as Martin Luther, are horribly and disgustingly anti-Jew and some so-called Christians, especially in Spain during the Inquisition, took those statements quite literally. You have to… Read more »

lawngreen
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PoCoTex henrychalder   Well, a pleasant surprise. Once again livefyre is working, after being down at least part of last night.
PoCo, I agree with what you say. Germany slaughtered God’s chosen people, attempted to exterminate them, and Germany was crushed, and remained a divided, dominated country until the guilty generation had died out.
I’m waiting on replies from one political source and one synagogue. I’ll send out some more inquiries today.

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PoCoTex lawngreen henrychalder In the original bible text there is no mention of ‘Jew’. Abraham was not a Jew and God is not a Jew, Jesus was not a Jew, he was described as a Rabbi but Rabbi in those days was different than a Rabbi of today, it simply meant teacher. Jesus displayed his anger at Jews in the Temple, in fact Jesus kept away from Judea his homeland because they wanted him killed, Jesus was an Arab. Spain expelled the Jews because they wouldn’t state an oath of allegiance to the new King and to avoid being persecuted they pretended to be Catholics and promoted each other into high office in local towns, when an emissary was sent to investigate the Jews murdered him and so the Spanish Inquisition started, the Jews brought it upon themselves for disloyalty to their host country. They also refused allegiance to the Czar in Russia… Read more »

lawngreen
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henrychalder PoCoTex Thank you, henry, for unmasking. You saved me the trouble of pursuing research. It is a total waste of time to attempt to argue with a rabid anti-Semite. I will spend no more of mine on you. But you may be certain that you and God will have a very brief discussion about your willful ignorance of the truth about His Chosen People, and your defamation of them.

henrychalder
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lawngreen henrychalder PoCoTex If you read the Bible you should realise that the chosen people are Christians not the 12 tribes, God rejected 11 of them and the rest were invaded so many times and repopulated by others. Few Jews that invaded Palestine had Hebrew blood, they came from Eastern Europe and most were atheists anyway. Their are more Semites living in Gaza and the West bank…so who exactly are the Anti Semites? its the Israelis. Now take the trouble to research which you seem to refuse to do

Rightofattila
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Here a few more facts, Islam has been murdering and Slaughtering non-Muslims for over 1000s years.  The crusades was a direct result of the conversion by the Sword which is why most Muslims are Muslims.  Here is a different take on the radical vs Moderate Muslim discussion.  The Taliban is the Moderate muslim, they practice the Koran as it should be followed, the so called Moderate Muslim, go to Dearborn Michigan to see a few, are really the Radical Muslim because they are not following Islamic Law and not openly attempting to turn the U.S. into a Islamic Nation under Shirea Law and all of it horrors.  Finally The Women and Gay Communities should be in the for front to see Islam pushed to the dust bin of history as a major or practiced religion/cult.

Always a Marine
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Rightofattila 
Re. the statement about the women and gay activists have little to say about the most atrocious treatment of people seen in the world today.  To me that show’s their cowardice – that they don’t mind attacking other groups that they know represent no threat to them.  And it also shows their hypocrisy – their real agenda to subvert traditional values and culture is covered by their public proclamations.

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It just seems like a peaceful muslim is an oxymoron. There has been too much jihad, to much death, murder, lies and deciet, especially since 9/11. Before that there was still plenty more violence towards Jews and Americans in several other countries.
The islamic extremism has been going on for several decades…………They follow what the kuran says to a tee, and then hide behind peace when it suits them.

henrychalder
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harglide Several decades?

harglide
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@henrychalder Well, I know 100’s/1000’s of years but wanted to keep it simple. I am sure there are many out there that will argue that it is simply not true that this is all together a hate-monger, extreme way of life…………
No matter what these imam’s and others believe, the kuran states that Jews and gentiles are to be exterminated. They have tap danced around that forever and ever!

K-Bob
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I wonder if that Imam would support the Syrian rebels (like, say a certain SCOAMF) after reading about this:
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2013/06/syrian-child-tied-up-in-chains-and-forced-to-watch-the-murder-of-her-parents-by-obama-backed-jihadis.html
The only thing we should be sending to the Middle East is full support for those who love Liberty, and pork products for those who don’t.

tinlizzieowner
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K-Bob 
“The only thing we should be sending to the Middle East is full support
for those who love Liberty, and pork products for those who don’t.”
‘Islam’ and ‘Liberty’ aren’t 2 words I use in the same sentence. wink

K-Bob
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tinlizzieowner K-Bob Heh.  Yep.
Many Israelis love Liberty.  Sadly, not all.  Maybe some folks in Jordan and Lebanon.  Some in Iraq, and some in Iran, and some in Turkey.  The rest: pretty much not.

henrychalder
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tinlizzieowner K-Bob is that Kosha?

henrychalder
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K-Bob In the UK our own Prime Minister wants to arm the Jihadists no matter what, the reason for this is because he’s supported by Zionist financiers who want carnage in the Middle East and to please Israel who has been bombing Syrian forces. Israel wants Irans allies destroyed, the ultimate goal is to attack Iran. Mossad agents pretending to be CIA recruit Muslim factions to assassinate Iranian scientists. I suspect Mossad is merged with the CIA and has been so ever since it was formed

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I am so late on entering this discussion, and as such will keep this short. The one effort that all Imam’s can make to truly show they reject Jihad violence is to condemn each act directly rather than hide behind ambiguous words and gestures. Instead, many Imams hide their beliefs by casting accusatory statements aimed at deflecting scrutiny of their own faith. I pray for the families scared by this act of barbarian behavior. The best this Imam could do is to not generalize his condemnation, but to single out any violence done in the name of Islam, and condemn it.

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armyvet1  http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2013/06/canada-moderate-muslims-group-rallies-against-jihad-terrorism-draws-24-people.html
Read the rest to see how moderate Muslims support peace and are against Islamic terrorists or not.

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cabensg armyvet1 Please don’t take this the wrong way, but was the intent of your reply aimed at sarcasm?  The article did address that very few Muslims showed up at rallies aimed at condemning extremism by fellow Muslims. In the words of the article, Hijacked Faith. The article went on to pose the idea that many Muslims fear reprisals if they do speak out against Jihad. As with the Military, example must be provided by leadership, for these Imams, it must be the same. Imams everywhere must be the first to publically condemn acts of violence in the name of their faith.

PipaColeman
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armyvet1 cabensg  too true, but they wont.

mickeyco
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Uh oh- I think PawzNclaws is pissed.

PawzNclaws
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To save me the trouble of replying to all of you lunatics as each and every one of you talks the same shite, get a life and a education. It is a total waste of my time and effort trying to discuss anything with a bunch of blind racist bigoted numpties that hate for hate sake.

Watchman
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Watchman

PawzNclaws Islam is not a race.

kong1967
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Watchman74 PawzNclaws No, but he is an idiot.

pajamakat
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Watchman74 PawzNclaws Thank you !!!!!

kong1967
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PawzNclaws  “blind racist bigoted numpties that hate for hate sake.” – PawzNclaws
Drive by name caller.  Why don’t you grow a pair and say something substantive that can be debated?

kong1967
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PawzNclaws   I tend to not like people that make a habit of beating their wives and killing their own children all for the sake of honor.  I tend to not like people like you, too, who turn a blind eye to it.

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PawzNclaws Please, if it’s such a total waste of your time and also to save you the trouble of replying to all of us “lunatics”, get the he!! off here and go spout your crap to somebody that cares – we don’t. And for the record oh bright one – Islam is not a race. There, fixed it for ya

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PawzNclaws 
These guys are so revealing.  Notice how the lefties always assume no one has an education.  And yet, these are the people who are committed to an ideology that has failed more times than you can count.  How brilliant are they – they support Dear Leader, formerly top dog of the Choom Gang, ha, ha, ha ,ha.

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PawzNclaws 
“Hate for hate sake”….hey, you just described 1.5 billion muslims! Well done!
….and yes, I do hate the violent ideology of islam. Don’t you?

famouswolf
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Ah, arrogance and ignorance on steroids, you are.
You are the one who needs to get an education; especially, you need to learn to think coherently versus hurling meaningless epithets at people with much more intelligence and wisdom than your sorry self.

henrychalder
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PawzNclaws I find people who call out ‘racist’ and ‘bigots’ are mainly lacking in arguments of substance and are often bigots themselves

harglide
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Seriously, who asked you for your crap anyway???

PipaColeman
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PawzNclaws Oh we have lives and education. Seems your the one happy to let things be. Do you have children ? Are you happy for them to be converted or raped. We are not racist. we have many friends all colours, all faiths. Only you ,who sounds like you only watch tele, thinks you know when really your just a sheep. All you idiots that keep shouting the race card are obviously the uneducated ones. We the british people are anti islam, which by the way if you don’t know yet is not a religion. So, I pray god is kind to you in your ignorance. EDL ns

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I have read the Bible and Koran, comparing the two, and they are diametricaly opposed to each other. The Hebrew Holy Scriptures and the New Testament form the Judeo-Christian Faith. Period. In the last book of the Bible is a warning from GOD to NOT add or take away any words of the prophecy, even if an angel told them to. Around 600 years later, a man named Mohammed wrote down words from an angel, basically calling for the death of Jews and Christians. Islam is a clear threat to Jews, Christians, decency and any kind of beneficial modernism.

alumin
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“You ARE an Imam?!” LOL! Awesome stuff!

colliemum
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BBC – we call it ‘Al Beeb’ over here.
What used to be the little programme ‘Thought for the day’, based on scripture and given by a vicar or a catholic Father, or indeed a Rabbi, that programme is now produced … by a muslim. So nobody is listening to that any more.

henrychalder
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colliemum Its not just the BBC but many parts of the media, it would appear that all presenters will not have Islam criticized, politicians are gutless and are in denial, you can’t speak out because you’ll be breaking the religious tolerance law that was rushed through. The UK is subject to brainwashing, people who stand their ground against the Islamic’s and consequently threatened appear not to get the protection of the British Police but vice versa Islamic’s enjoy protection

PipaColeman
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henrychalder colliemum there is a global agenda going on. this is only the beginning, but people are rising against islam because it threatens the free world

USMC 64-68
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PipaColeman henrychalder colliemum  
Other than covering their tyranny with the name of a false god, Islam is no different than communism, Nazism and fascism.
It is a tyrannical, fascistic political system that has no qualms about brutality, torture, rape and murder.  
If you want to remain free (and alive), it has to be withstood just as the world united to defeat the murderous dictators of the past.

BearNJ
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When the Islam jihadists gain power and lie up the BBC
“non-believers” in front of open pits to cut their heads
off with swords the BBC reporters will still be saying but I
understand and support you…..

lawngreen
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I made it to 9:35. I get sick of lies and liars very quickly. There is no possible way to get a psychopathic liar to speak or even admit truth. I suppose it’s a good thing that Spencer and BBC Asian Public Radio let this motormouth imam blabber his lying nonsense. I suppose there might still be a few people somewhere in the world who have not  come into contact with islam and who have enough intelligence and knowledge to follow the arguments here. But a psychopathic liar who never shuts his mouth and does not shout can confuse ignorant people, too. He might just have made a few converts to islam via this program. Notice that the imam isn’t totally stupid. He started by avoiding the question he was asked and whimpering about whether Spencer should even be allowed into Britain. He tried to shift the basis of the… Read more »

clockwindingdown
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lawngreen NAILED IT!

lawngreen
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clockwindingdown Thank you.

deTocqueville1
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lawngreen And so do all others who have any fundamental attachment to  the values of ‘western civilization’.

Conniption Fitz
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21,106 MURDEROUS JIHAD ATTACKS SINCE 9/11/01
No telling how many rapes, honor killings and kidnappings.
Islamists are also spreading porn, drug and human trafficking all over the earth – including child porn and child sex trafficking.
Babies are being raped in Syria and other Islamic hell-holes.  Babies.  Tiny little infants.

Stranded in Sonoma
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Stranded in Sonoma

Conniption Fitz – For the last 5 years, all rapes in the city of Oslo have been by “immigrants.” In other words, muzloids. The problem is liberal policies. Elect intelligent people and you have border security. Elect liberals and you don’t.

pajamakat
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Stranded in Sonoma Conniption Fitz Muzloids. I have to remember that. Very good

famouswolf
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Yeah, I think I like that better than ‘muzzies’!

Kangeroo
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famouswolf How ’bout Muzooms?

Conniption Fitz
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Islam is as Islam says and does. 
From its earliest beginnings, its core texts, its consistent actions over the centuries and the rantings of its preachers, Islam was, is and always will be a blood-thirsty, aggressive, misogynist, human rights violating, racist hate group.

Watchman
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How do they know only one percent of Muslims are extremists? And even if that were true, 1% of 1.62 Billion Muslims is still a lot of extremists. In any case it’s not just the violent jihadists that we must be vigilant against but also the non-violent (stealth) jihadists that seeks to usurp power through more subversive means.

Keyes
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Watchman74 
Muslims…they’re peaceful…’til they’re not.

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Keyes
Watchman74
When speaking of “peaceful” Muslims, remember that all the terrorists you hear about were “peaceful Muslims” until they weren’t. Except for Nidal Hasan, whose beliefs were pretty well known, most of the others were well liked and described by their friends as “the nicest guy you could ever know”.

tinlizzieowner
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Watchman74 
” How do they know only one percent of Muslims are extremists?”
Because 99% of Muslims are terrorist sympathizers ?
wink wink

Kangeroo
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Watchman74 Yes, and they are the really successful ones, the ones who operate thru liberal politics.

cristiano100
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The voting for those who support abortion, and against weapons.
Remember the abortion, not allowed to exercise the right to be born baby,
And the guns help exercise the right to be free you and your family

notebene
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I LOVE when truth prevails!  The imam is tongue tied because Spencer hit him with the truth of islam!  That imam knows that Spencer isn’t taking anything out of context.  Maybe he should call Odumbo for alinsky methods of deflecting the truth, since he’s a master at it.  The low info folk will keep on screaming that we are “phobic” for speaking the truth about evil.  I can assure you I have zero fear, I just can’t stand evil and hypocrisy standing in the way of my liberty!

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its just as well.the muslim world has been the biggest problem since its existance. you can compare edls rise to the islamists in britain.the same with when the muslims waged jihad unprovoked against christians on jerusalem killing 70,000 and the caliph al hakim just like the temple mount wanted to convert the church of holy sepulchre into a mosque.this led to the birth of the crusades.the muslims own fault.if we didnt have the latter you wouldnt have the former. they mention the jews,protestants and muslim persecution under crusades.(muslims fault) but not the massacre of jews of medina,the practice of devshirme(snatching and harvesting christian boys and girls at 7 and selling into slavery and converting them).or the religous apartheid of dhimmi status. they speak of the native american,indian and australian colonialism. they never speak of the invasion,occupation and colonialization of assyria(iraq),turkey(armenia and greece),balkans,spain,poland and mesopotamia.they destruction of the native population. the… Read more »

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I wish these liberal zealots would defend Christianity with the same audacity they defend that murderous and evil religion, islam. But they won’t, because they are of their father the devil “and the lusts of [their] father [they] will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.”

PawzNclaws
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Bad choice of Imam next time get one that knows what he is talking about.

lawngreen
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PawzNclaws This imam knew. That’s why he tried to change the discussion at the very beginning to whether or not Spencer should be allowed into the country.

PawzNclaws
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lawngreen PawzNclaws Maybe he did I am not disputing it as all religious teachers have a vested interest in bending the truth to suit the situation. Imams are no better than any minister, priest or whatever these holy willies call themselves.

lawngreen
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PawzNclaws Not all religious teachers. Both practicing Jews and Christians are well aware of the Scripture which says that God hates a lying tongue. When you read both the Jewish Scriptures and the New Testament, you see that recorders did not hesitate to catalogue the sins of people they were dealing with or writing about. If the authors had been willing to bend the truth, there would be no blemishes in their records of the patriarchs and the authors’ contemporaries.
Not only are imams no better, they are far worse in character, integrity, honor, and truthfulness, than those you call “holy willies”. Pawz, you yourself are bending truth.

Keyes
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PawzNclaws lawngreen 
You are right about one thing….imams are NOT better than ministers and priests.

henrychalder
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Better not go into the Jewish Talmud saying about the Goyim  Gentiles then

Watchman
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henrychalder There not the ones blowing themselves up.

lawngreen
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henrychalder Nowhere in the Talmud is there a command to kill Gentiles. Nowhere in the Talmud is there a command for the faithful to overthrow all other governments and replace them with Judaism. There have always been Gentiles who chose to live among the Jews, retaining their own religion or lack of religion, and they were tolerated, and their rights protected. Nowhere in the Talmud is FGM prescribed, or “marriage” of adult men to little girls.

There were at least several periods when Jews departed radically from the practice of Judaism, yet even  in these times there was no pogrom or “ethnic cleansing” or command to kill the Gentiles among them.

deTocqueville1
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lawngreen henrychalder Excellent!

lawngreen
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deTocqueville1 Thank you.

henrychalder
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lawngreen henrychalder A Christian found to be preaching Christianity in Israel is an offence that will get you 5yrs in an Israeli prison. Jews are indoctrinated in Jewish schools that they are the chosen ones, and explain this…..
“It is permitted to take the body and the life of a Gentile.” 
Sepher ikkarim III c 25 

“A heretic Gentile you may kill outright with your own hands.” 
Talmud, Abodah Zara, 4b 

Sanhedrin 58b. If a heathen (gentile) hits a Jew, the gentile must be killed. 

Sanhedrin 57a . When a Jew murders a gentile, there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals from a gentile he may keep.

lawngreen
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henrychalder One other important little postscript – the Jews ARE the Chosen People.

henrychalder
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lawngreen henrychalder That is a gross misinterpretation of the Bible and a myth

lawngreen
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henrychalder   Off the top of my head, my first reply is that I have never heard of these being applied. I question the accuracy of these quotes, and I’ll check them out. I’ve copied them. I’ve heard many lies about Jewish practices and beliefs. The one that stands out is the stupidity about Jews drinking the blood of Gentile children they murdered. Unless I can verify your claims independently, I will assume these statements are the same sort of rubbish. Especially because, as I said, I have never heard of these statements before, and never heard of them being applied. I can guarantee these statements are not in the Old Testament, having read it through word for word seven times in several different English translations. If I find that your statements are as false as I think they are, we’ll have to have a conversation with the moderators of this… Read more »

henrychalder
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lawngreen But I’m not claiming that Jews ‘drinking the blood of Gentile children they murdered’ so why mention it and make a comment with threats? just do your research and then comment

lawngreen
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henrychalder Threats? Nonsense. As to why I mentioned it, I was explaining the reason for my immediate reaction against your comments. So that you would understand it wasn’t personal, but a skepticism born of experience.

henrychalder
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lawngreen henrychalder no comment of substance yet?
I’m a busy man, you obviously have no answer

wintlecris
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It has always been the case of people seeing islam for what it is, it has waged wars for god knows how long, Best to know what you know than live in denial

PawzNclaws
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wintlecris what about Christianity and murdering sprees it went on? Ever heard of the crusades?

henrychalder
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PawzNclaws wintlecris I can’t remember the Crusades

PawzNclaws
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henrychalder PawzNclaws wintlecris Sums the right up then doesnt it. Did you not get to school?

henrychalder
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PawzNclaws henrychalder wintlecris Is ancient history relevant here?

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henrychalder PawzNclaws wintlecris Obviously not in your case as that may mean you have to think about the meanings in history and what can be taken from it. No religion is blameless and each as guilty of atrocity than the next. You really need to find a few things out before you decide the all of any group has to be neutralised.

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PawzNclaws henrychalder wintlecris. I’m a Christian myself, I was never taught to hate anyone in my religion but to turn the other cheek, Christianity is the basis of a civilised and modern society

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henrychalder PawzNclaws wintlecris Very true but in days gone past it certainly was the opposite and murdered and raped many places. If you were true Christian you would be looking to live alongside your neighbour in peace as it says in the bible and not be condemning another religion because of its fanatics.

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PawzNclaws henrychalder wintlecris I don’t want to eat halal meat, I don’t want to live near a mosque with call for prayers and I don’t want a minority to have a greater say than myself and I don’t want my town taken over by heathens, Muslims are over represented

Conniption Fitz
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JESUS DID NOT HESITATE TO call a spade a spade.
So does the Bible.
Islam is a violent, racist hate group that consistently violates human rights… from its core texts to its actions through the ages, Islam is a plague of hate and violence and evil.

lawngreen
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PawzNclaws henrychalder wintlecris No religion is blameless, but every religion has ideals,  predominant characteristics and an overall “track record”.
I unhesitatingly choose Christianity over islam. islam’s ideals and predominant characteristics and “track record” are the worst of all religions on earth since time began.
If Christianity did not exist, I would unhesitatingly choose any OTHER religion over islam.
You really need to face a lot of things that are obvious before you decide that any of the most savage, primitive, perverted, brutish religion that has ever existed should be allowed into a country.

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PawzNclaws henrychalder wintlecris Chriostians have “looked to” live alongside our neighbors in peace. But as the apostle Paul wrote under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, that may not always be possible. It is not possible with muslims. Wherever they have power they commit extremely brutal, savage, heartless atrocities against anyone who refuses to submit to islam, but especially against Jews and Christians. AntiSemitism is a reflex with muslims. And we are not condemning islam because of its fanatics, but because islam teaches that evil is good and light ios dark and it’s alright to rape little girls if you “marry” them first.

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You’re right in the fact that religous wars went on and all were guilty of killing each other and the innocent..but who’s doing the killing now (this time in history) in the name of their God??? 
 Not the Jewish folks..not the Christian folks..it’s the Muslims..

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henrychalder PawzNclaws wintlecris You dont have to do any of those things NO ONE is forcing you apart from your own imagination.  All organised religions are over represented so why single out one for abuse.

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lawngreen PawzNclaws henrychalder wintlecris I am not a Muslim nor a Jew nor a Catholic but can tell a bunch of idiots when I see them, 2 bunches actually, right wing nutters and Muslim extremists

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ImacowgirlinTucson You are wrong there. The zionist movement in Palestine is killing non Jews, robbing pillaging and raping the land but that must not count to you as these people are Muslim.

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PawzNclaws ImacowgirlinTucson lol you fire a gun at my house I will come out and kill you.  Israel has EVERY right to defend itself against Palestinian hostility.  I have yet to see ONCE that Israel instigated an attack without first being attacked.  The lack of intelligence and knowledge of world events of the left wing nuts like yourself astonishes me.   I think liberals should be sterilized to clean up the gene pool.  Lebanon used to be a Christian country before they were systematically murdered by these Muslims you love so much.  You wouldn’t last 5 minutes in a muslim nation they would execute you for being a Atheists. Yes you are that obvious.

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Hey Jonathan I am no left wing nut…I am a conservative Christian Tea Party member…who stands up for Israel.  I hope your comment was meant for PawzNclaws..and not me.  I agree with you 100%.

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ImacowgirlinTucson Yeah man first name on the list is the intended recipient.  I’m Libertarian Christian Tea Party myself.

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Please..Pawz moved to any muslim country..they’d kill you in a heartbeat…unless you’re one of those nut jobs.

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PawzNclaws ImacowgirlinTucson 
Ha! Ha! Now that IS a joke, right??
The Jews BOUGHT the land….much of it from absentee landlords. It was the Jews who irrigated, built, and made the land fruitful. Most of the FAKEstinians were nomads.

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You are a damned liar.

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PawzNclaws ImacowgirlinTucson Some Palestinians are Christian

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Keyes PawzNclaws ImacowgirlinTucson Some of the land was bought from Jewish charities that was solely set up for Jews, at the moment I think the head of the charity is patroned by ex Prime Minister Gordon Brown, some of the money came from the Rothchild family. The reason there was absent landlords is because Israeli’s ethnically cleansed the area and murdered them in 1948. Most of these invaders from mainly Eastern Europe were Jewish Atheists who have no Hebrew DNA

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JonathanAParker PawzNclaws ImacowgirlinTucson Best not mention Lebanon, its a sore point with Israel who got their arses kicked by an inferior army, their best murdering women and children taking refuge in a Gazan school. Israel leaders are guilty of crimes against humanity. My father fought through WW2 and was later based in Palestine, he ended up despising the Jews who came from the concentration camps who he once had pity for after they cowardly murdered his colleagues in Palestine. The Israeli’s are the new concentration camp guards who rule rule America…you seem to forget the USS Liberty

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PawzNclaws wintlecris 
Actually, the Crusades was the response to the savage muslimes attacks on civilized societies.
islam is NOT a religion.
islam is a leftwing political system like communism/nazism with the same dicktator goals.
Leftism killed > 200 MILLION people in the 20th century
Leftism, by any of its’ brand names, is pure, satanic evil.

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freeperjim PawzNclaws wintlecris what a load of shit of course Islam is a religion sheesh

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PawzNclaws
freeperjim
 wintlecris
Only 20% of Islamic scripture mentions religion at all, rather it concerns fighting infidels, conquest, spreading the Islamic political system, and enforcing sharia.

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PawzNclaws
You might want to research history insteadof regurgitating the garbage taught in public schools.  Moral relativism is a poor argument especially when it is hitoriaclly false and cannot even differentiate defenders of civilization from murderous barbarians.

Watch this video.  Learn. Do your own research.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_Qpy0mXg8Y

lawngreen
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sDee Thanks for the link, sDee.

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sDee PawzNclaws Public school? Get over yourself and your lunatic bigotry.

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PawzNclaws wintlecris Did you ever see in full the link you put on about ‘why are we afraid’?

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PawzNclaws wintlecris  
Obviously you don’t understand what the crusades were all about. Watch the video sDee posted for you. It is very enlightening.
But you made an accusation about Christians and murdering sprees (in the plural). Can you be more specific or were you just talking about the crusades?

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PawzNclaws wintlecris The Crusades didn’t have much to do with Christianity, but was a response to Muslim aggression.

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PawzNclaws wintlecris Sorry.  This is a tired tactic you use that says, “Hundreds of years ago someone killed someone, so that makes it OK.”  Or, “Since someone else did something heinous, it is OK to do that same thing.”  This is not a valid argument.

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LoJoFo Bravo. You skewered him. Or rather, his “argument”.

lawngreen
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PawzNclaws wintlecris The Crusades were in response to the muslims who were already invading the Holy Land forcing people to convert to islam or die. Among other atrocities. While I would never argue that the Crusaders were perfect, or basically good people, still they were sent in response to an evil, barbaric invader, which islam still is.

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PawzNclaws wintlecris Ah the old ‘red herring’ crusades argument. How was it that the Islamists came to be in control of the old city of Jerusalem and the whole area of ancient Israel? If you want to get ‘historical’ then don’t stop with dates convenient to your position.

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PawzNclaws
wintlecris
The Crusades were only a defensive response to 100’s of years of Islam’s murdering rampage against Christians. It’s revisionism of the worst sort to blame the Crusades on Christianity. Christians are not presently on a worldwide campaign attempting to subjugate everyone to a set of barbaric religious laws.

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wintlecris Yeah your right, invading Palestine, invading Lebanon, manufacturing a war between Iraq and Iran, invading Iraq, interfering in Syria and oh yes….arming al Qaeda

Watchman
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henrychalder wintlecris There is no Palestine.

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Watchman74 henrychalder wintlecris Palestine was described way back in the times of ancient Greece. Israel was a state that was created on terrorism by Atheists. God wasn’t a Jew, Abraham wasn’t a Jew, Jesus wasn’t a Jew and nowhere in the bible is Jew mentioned, only a Judaen which simply means an inhabitant of Judea. God rejected the 12 tribes. Israel is the sowers of deceit, lies and assassinations…it almost sounds like a description of Satan. ‘When the 2nd Temple in Jerusalem is built a stranger will enter and he will be the antiChrist’

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The insane outcry of the leftists in the wake of the brutal murder
of Lee Ribgy muffled the voices of many citizens who are angry at what happened
on our own soil. The government and the media are to blame for the lack of
freedom of speech in coverage of people who represent the majority opinion
within society.
The Muslims and the leftists get the spotlight every time, so what
do you think will happen when people are under attack and have nowhere to turn?
Britain is a ticking time bomb and the resulting explosion will unleash a civil war.

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StevenBell3 Spot on fella, I can honestly say of all the people of all races and religions I know ,I can count on one hand the ones who don’t agree with me .

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StevenBell3 The ‘Unite Against Fascism’ is hardly leftist but Fascist themselves, David Cameron is a member along with Keith Vaz who orchestrated a march against the book Satanic Rites by Salmond Rushdie, these people are against freedom of speech

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StevenBell3 Well said Steven Bell.

lawngreen
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StevenBell3   I hope there are enough tough Brits left to wage a civil war. Unfortunately, their governement disarmed them a long time ago – and their government is on the side of islam. Just like ours.

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AS per usual, this Iman is trapped in denial and exposed. Excellent excellent job Robert and a job well done by the host!!!

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I firmly believe that the god of Islam is not the same God of Israel, the God of Abraham. You can quote all day long from either the Bible or the Koran and it still will not resolve the fact that the so called religion of peace is anything but that. We see it in the news everyday, wherever there are Christians living in the Muslim world they are being killed.  The fact that the BBC is ignorant of these facts makes them the last person qualified to even speak on this issue. The only action that their voice will do is help promote more actions that happened in Woolwich. They are no different than what happened to the people of Germany after Hitler took over. The German pastor who put it very succinctly in his day stated; “Silence in the face of evil is itself evil: God will not… Read more »

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Fireplug52 The Nazi’s are hardly comparable with extremist Jihadists, not all German Generals were Nazi’s but Hitler was born by the threat of Communist Russia, the greed of countries involved in the carve up of Germany from the Versailles Treaty and the deal done for the Balfour Declaration by Zionists to win WW1. The Islamic threat is of an ideology and not so much a religious one

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henrychalder Of course Nazis and islamists are comparable. They were Jew killers then as they are now. Arabs fought with Hitler.
And Hitler’s Germany allied with Communist Russia – again, fascists are the same whatever they call themselves.

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henrychalder Fireplug52 Hitler was born because it cost a wheel barrel of German money for a loaf of bread after we tore them up in WW1.  You really should learn your history.

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Stop getting into these theoretical arguments about the meaning of Islam. What’s needed is to fight terrorism.

lawngreen
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notpilgrims  First one needs to understand who the enemy is. And people have every right to “get into theoretical arguments”, even if they aren’t tightly connected to reality, which arguments about islam certainly are. It is necessary that people realize that almost every instance of terrorism in the 19th and 20th centuries sprang from islamic beliefs. If enough Americans would face that truth, maybe we could get muslims deported, or at least stop coddling them and making it easy for them to commit terrorist acts in our own country.

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There is no reasoning with people who have it in their heads and hearts that islam is to be coddled. After a young man is hacked to death before their very eyes they still want to justify and protect islam, then it’s a hopeless case. Just as here in America, after 3,000 people were murdered by Islamic jihadists a mosque is allowed to be built on that very ground and we have politicians crying foul because Islamic jihadists are among the most wanted…it’s of their own making, but somehow we’re profiling them….the world is upside down at the moment.
Jesus will correct it all one day. Until then…..I can’t possibly imagine why we bother to make sense of it.

lawngreen
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badbadlibs Our own sanity demands that we make sense of it. And we who believe in King Jesus are being slowly transformed into His likeness, that is, His character. That includes His love of truth. If the day comes when we are not troubled by all the lies we swim in every day, we will know we are in worse trouble than even islam can bring upon us.

stevenbiot
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“Islam is your field.” Hahahaha

AntonyGilbert
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Just saying that the Koran includes vile passages is pointless. Muslims can just point out that the Bible also has bad stuff. The real issue should be: 
(1) Whether or not the Koran has controversial passages.

(2) And, whether or not Muslims are acting out those vile passages.
The guy could have just pointed out that it’s clearly not a tiny minority of Muslims who follow the extreme version of Islam. It’s currently the majority of Muslims who live in the Arab world. And if there are moderate Muslims in the Arab world, they certainly don’t stand up and criticize what’s going on over there. In fact they seem more than happy to vote for extremist political parties.

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AntonyGilbert Spot on!

Ten Ring
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The “Moderate” Muslims that have been allowed to infiltrate the West aren’t denouncing the atrocities being committed by the majority of the Muslims in the Arab world. Frankly, there are no moderate Muslim’s the Koran allows them to lie all they want so long as if furthers the goals Islam and Muslims are following the play book to the letter. We’d best wake up and send every single one of them back to the Middle East. Let them bring their barbarous countires into the twentieth century not drag our countries back to the seventh century.

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Judging whether someone is lying is subjective. There’s no point going there. You can only really judge whether someone is moderate or not by looking at a person’s actions. If it is very clear that very large numbers of Muslims are ACTING extreme, why focus at all on what they might be thinking which is impossible to prove, especially to people who are on the side of Muslims.

lawngreen
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AntonyGilbert It’s easy to read their sacred scriptures and see what they claim they believe. This also makes it easier to predict where to go frm where we are, in order to deal with the problem.
Ignorance of an enemy is never a good idea.

Watchman
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It’s just not the smaller minority of violent jihadis that we have to look out for, its also stealth jihad by the majority of the so called moderate Muslims.

lawngreen
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AntonyGilbert  The response you suggest is certainly valid. However, don’t be afraid to closely examine the “bad stuff” in the Bible. We’ll never in this life understand all of it, but I have discovered that often, even usually, the “bad stuff” has a satisfactory explanation.

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O.k., so let me get this straight.  We’re not supposed to condemn the ideology of Islam because of the acts of  “a small minority” of violent people who call themselves Muslims, but we should condemn the ideology of the EDL, a group that has time and time again denounced Nazism, because of a genuinly small minority of EDL hangers-on and infiltrators.  How about we judged these groups by what they espouse and actually stand for?  Islam vs. EDL – hmm…which one should people who love freedom and value human rights choose?  Boy, that’s a real tough one.

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mike3e4r7 
From Obama’s 2012 UN speech.
 Let us condemn incitement against Sufi Muslims, and Shiite
pilgrims. It is time to heed the words of Gandhi: “Intolerance is itself a form
of violence and an obstacle to the growth of a true democratic spirit.”
Together, we must work towards a world where we are strengthened by our
differences, and not defined by them.
I don’t believe Obama has ever condemned the New Black Panther party for their hate speech wanting to kill white people including babies.

Watchman
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mike3e4r7 Yea the EDL says it has about 100,000 members vs over 1 BILLION Muslims. Islam has engaged in terror attacks over four continents. As far as I know the EDL has never killed anyone or blew up anything or hacked a man to death in the streets. The two can’t even be compared. If anyone should be condemning the jihadists it’s the moderate Muslims, but where are they? They have no problems protesting when someone insults Islam, but they don’t protest against these kinds of violent attacks done in the name of there religion.

ox_News
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Radio host: “Oh, we’re creating this are we?” (12.27) You just called them “THUGS”, and argued they should be ostracized, literally 95 seconds earlier!
Fucking retard…

AntonyGilbert
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ox_News Angry, shouting men wearing balaclavas look like … thugs.

ox_News
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I didn’t expect to have to explain this, it’s right there in the clip. I even provided exact times. But OK. The host says “The EDL … are balaclava-wielding thugs”, and claims that this sweeping statement is based on his own “research”. 
When Spencer says “you want to portray the EDL in a certain way”, the host immediately interrupts him with a sneering comment about how he resents the accusation. 
We could discuss this cowardly leftist’s attempt to escape responsibility for what he just said. Or the hypocrisy in condemning 100% of a group for what a minority does, when the same thing would be hate speech if directed at the Muslim community. Or the deeply fascist tendency to suppress and ban some arguments because you don’t like them. But I don’t know what your point is.

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Yeah, the Muslims want to immigrate into England. declare their intentions to set up a caliph there with Sharia law, breed like rats with 2 to 3 wives  to multiply their numbers and overwhelm the English citizens, but they are the victims here, not the English.  Get your heads out of the sand!

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Kangeroo Its not their fault but the traitors in Westminster who sold us out because they’re controlled by Lobby Groups and are both in the pockets of Israel and wealthy Qatari’s who own half of London and finance Imams to spread hatred…we need to march on Westminster and remove these traitors and hang Blair in a gibbet

lawngreen
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henrychalder Israel AND the Qatairs are financing imamas? Israel AND muslims / Arabs are both financing the same virulently anti-Semite religious fanatics?
ISRAEL is financing imams?
HAHAHAHahahahahah…. oops, sorry. For a moment there I thought you were serious. ‘Scoosi, per favor.

GuyBurroughs
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Good luck finding a Muslim to openly & publicly criticize the “1% violent Muslims”  They are afraid too.  These softer, kinder Muslim are the initial wave of acceptance training.

Godisright
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I am really beginning to think that Obama is an IMAM as well. All of them seem to ignorant of everything in the area in which they pretend to be an expert.

PipaColeman
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this is a country of free speech. we will not be forced to accept the wrongs and deny the rights

lawngreen
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lawngreen

PipaColeman  We hope.

Rightofattila
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Robert Spencer is recognized as the World Foremost Authority on Islam even in the Islamic World and he is a Jew.  I have see and heard Robert do this to many Islamic Imams and Clerics.  See Robert’s website Jihad Watch.  If anyone wants to understand how Islam is suppose to be practice take a look at the Taliban.  The Islam is at war with the world and until it wins or Islam goes away into the dust bins of history, the world will be at war with islam.

No_BlahBlah
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RightofattilaSpencer is not Jewish;
Spencer is a member of the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melkite_Greek_Catholic_Church, the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniat offshoot of the ancient http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_Orthodox_Church_of_Antioch.
His grandparents were forced to emigrate from an area that is now part of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey because they were http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity 
wiki

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Rightofattila Too bad the world is ignorant of that FACT!

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