BREAKING: Mike Lee turns against Trump’s National Emergency!

Early this year Senator Mike Lee said he believed that Trump’s national emergency was legal even though he disagreed with it:

Fast forward to this week. A couple days ago we told you that there were negotiations going on between GOP senators and the president, to find a deal so that they could support Trump’s national emergency. Mike Lee was apart of those negotiations.



Well apparently they broke down and now Lee is going to vote against Trump’s national emergency when the resolution comes up for a vote in the Senate:


Alex Bolton is a staff writer for The Hill, just so you know.

This will no doubt upset a lot of Republicans who did not want to see Trump have to veto the disapproval resolution. But with four Republicans already set to vote no, the passage of the resolution is all but certain.

And then there were five: Lee, Tillis, Paul, Collins and Murkowski.

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We The People are watching you side with the dumbs on this senator lee and we do NOT approve! YOU work for us and I hope the good people of Utah vote you and every other Public Servant OUT until they back us and our President!!!

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And the deal was??

Tracy
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There was a post here a few days ago about it, that they would vote down the resolution if Trump agreed to some new restrictions added to NEA.

Pelosi said no, she wants to stop Trump getting a wall. Period. Even if it means not reigning in future presidential acts.

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I have an idea Senator Lee, since you want to protect separation of powers why dont you and your libertarian friends get the judiciary under control?

AT
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Interesting idea. How?

The only real option they have is term limits, and that’s a sword that can cut both ways.

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Note to idiots in DC: Secure our border NOW

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Mike Lee: “My initial assessment is that what Pres. Trump announced is legal… but the Koch Brothers gave me a call and threatened to cease ALL campaign contributions; therefore, my final assessment, as I hide under my checkered-pants, is that Trump’s National Emergency is not approved by the Koch’s, er, it’s unconstitutional.”

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Mike Lee’s statement:
“Congress has been ceding far too much power to the exec. branch for decades. We should use this moment as an opportunity to start taking that power back.”

While I agree with this, there is no plan to limit executive powers beyond this point. If executive power was going to be limited for here on out, I’d support Mike Lee’s decision. However, those limits on executive powers will not exist when a dem president is in office. Then people like Lee will be sitting there and whining, “Hey, we didn’t overstep our limits of power, how come you guys are.” All the while the dems will be filling us with a 3rd world permanent democrat majority and laughing at people like Lee.

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Chow Yun FattyChow Yun Fatty
Never kid yourself, BOTH parties are guilty of “transforming” America.

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Considering this and his approval of using SSI for family leave, I think that he’s drifting a little left.

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Lee’s plan lets parent pull money they’ve been forced to pay into SSI to take time off work after having a kid. If it’s their money, I say why not? No different than pulling money out of savings…

I can almost 100% guarantee that if Mike Lee is behind it, it’s a good thing. To a lesser degree, Rand, and slightly less than that, Cruz. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Ted come out against, if it even gets a vote. Rumor is Nancy is squashing this in the House.

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SSI is a ponzi scheme and I’d hate to see its inevitable collapse while I’m collecting my little pittance.

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What about those co-workers left behind? Who picks up the slack? Those left-behind don’t get compensated. What if you don’t have children. It’s a government program so that should scare the sh__ out of you.

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Anyone thinking “Government” holding OUR money for “safe Keeping” is ok….. is an idiot. (I did NOT mean you TC).

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Interesting. Just did my taxes, and I got $700 back. Now, I paid in over $50K in Federal withholding, so that wasn’t much back. Frankly, I was scared i was in for a big tax bill after hearing everyone’s horror stories about their returns. Anyway, my CPA says, “you should maybe reduce your deductions on your W-4 so you don’t cut it that close next year”. My reply was, “I would rather have actually paid $700 or even a bit more if it means that the government doesn’t hold an excess of my income”. The government can just decide it won’t pay you, so I agree – no “safe keeping” for me!

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You’re a smart man Monty!

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Lee is not thinking right! He has to understand this is a very rare chance to finally secure the border and try to limit illegal foreign invasion and lawlessness and all this does to our country. We have a president that wants to do what is right about rule of law and border security. Has to ignore the America hating libs and do everything to get the border finally secured. Trump is
doing everything right about the border and he needs you to finally get this done! Lee is getting worse.

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Kind of like the very rare chance they had to secure the border when they held the Presidency, Senate and House? The current batch of GOP’ers are do nothing RINO’s. Primary them out.

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‘They went in as conservatives and were swallowed up by DC’ doesn’t seem so implausible for Cruz, Rand and Lee anymore.

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Yeah, unfortunately.

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U.S. Border Patrol Southwest Border Apprehensions FY 2019.
OCT- 51,002
NOV- 51,857
DEC- 50,749
JAN- 47,986
FEB- 66,450
Total Apprehensions- 268,044 illegal immigrants.

Let those numbers sink in, and this is not counting those illegals who made it thru the border and are living in the US, and the drugs pouring in.

If this is not a National Emergency than what is?

The Republican Party gives talking points to get reelected but do nothing about this crisis.

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Those numbers, while staggering, are not that far out of our average recently. There have been years over the last few decades where these numbers would have looked like a trickle. Which leads me to the question: Why is it now a national emergency? This flow of illegals has been going on since I was born….many moons ago. This is not new, this is not a sudden occurrence. National Emergencies in the past have generally been in reaction to something that had recently occurred not something that has been going on through multiple administrations and generations. I want Trump to hold Congress to fulfilling their obligation of building the wall with the monies that have already been appropriated for it instead of doing an end around involving the military. Declaring the border wall construction a military operation in order to make it legal seems a bit of a stretch. I… Read more »

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It is the duty of our elected officials when sworn in to uphold the constitution and are supposed to work for the protection and welfare of law abiding citizens not an invasion of illegal immigrants, we employ them and have the power to fire them at the ballot box, but sadly DC politics corrupts and instead of being the solution they become the problem, both houses were in control by Republicans but sat on their hands and did nothing not only on funding the wall but Obamacare.

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How many were admitted?

When our government instructs border patrol to process these invaders & turn them loose within the US…. government is completely ignoring the American voters. Less than 10% of these invaders show up for their court date.

What the hell happened to building tent cities in 3-5 locations along our borders & keep these people there until their court date. Right now DHS buses them to cities & drops them off. Disgusting!

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Right now southern California is turning into a third world area, because of the mass influx from mexico and other latin American countries and their high birth rate while at the same time its law abiding citizens are leaving the state for economic reasons due to liberal mismanagement.

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Avatarmarathon
This is absolutely frightening if true…..from conservative review (Daniel Horowitz).

Just since December 21, DHS has been forced to release 84,500 illegal aliens from Central American family units: 14,500 were in the Phoenix area, 37,500 in south Texas, 24,000 in El Paso, and 8,500 in San Diego, according to the Arizona Republic. Many of the ones dropped off this past weekend in Phoenix were in the country for less than 24 hours..

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Those numbers always go up during the winter, when it’s not so deadly hot in the desert.

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Sadly many unlucky enough to try cross during summer unprepared and if not found by border patrol in time perish in the desert heat.

More people have died crossing the border from Mexico to the US in the first seven months of 2017 compared to the year before, even though significantly fewer people seem to be attempting the journey, according to the United Nation’s migration agency.

The number of migrant deaths tallied at the border jumped 17% from 204 in the first seven months of 2016 to 232 migrant fatalities in 2017, the International Organization for Migration (IOM).

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Judging by the clothing of the people in the caravans, they’re more greedy than desperate. Hard to have sympathy.

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I bet (hope) Ted will support Trump.

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Pathetic… Now a Useful Idiot.

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@GHalv@GHalv I wouldn’t go quite that far.

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Laura Ingraham
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Do you agree with some GOP senators to block the president’s emergency declaration on constitutional grounds?

Yes 9%
No 91%

Dr. Strangelove
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@Golf But you have to take into account those are Ingraham fans.

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Dr. StrangeloveDr. Strangelove I might agree with you except for the fact that 90% of people who vote within the R party approve of Trump. I see Laura’s poll as a confirmation of that fact.

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@Golf That may be true. I don’t have cable and find her radio show a chatty bore.

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Dr. StrangeloveDr. Strangelove Yeah, I don’t have cable either and haven’t had cable for 5 years. I read the polls and their methodology. (Just FYI: I don’t listen to her radio show, which as I understand it, is now defunct and she has a podcast now.) I do have internet and stream some things, at times. Happen to be streaming when I heard about this poll.

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GolfCartOneGolfCartOne The only place I heard her was on a Waterloo, IA station and I haven’t been up that way in a while. Hopefully Chris Plante took over that slot if she’s gone.

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A once reliable conservative slowly succumbs to the swamp!

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Cruz still has a good lead on him, but he’s been going backwards in 2019.

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Sad.

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O/T I’m betting, in the morning, O’Rourke is going to announce a run for TX senate seat currently held by Cornyn. Cornyn should step aside and let Greg Abbott run for that seat. Cornyn will lose. He’s kind of like a Flake here. No one knows who he is. Shame.

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I think he will run for President. We shall see. I think the limelight of a national campaign is too enticing for him to turn down.

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Kram NivelKram Nivel I thought he said today he wasn’t running for President? I swear I heard that on the news? No?

Kram Nivel
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Oh really. I hadn’t heard that. My bad if you are correct.

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Texas Democrat Beto O’Rourke confirmed he will announce a presidential bid on Thursday, TV station KTSM says.

GolfCartOne
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So, here’s what it is I saw today. An old clip from his failed senate campaign v Cruz of him saying he wasn’t running. I don’t always have time to listen/watch closely. So it’s my bad.

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I’m sure the crazy left will push him hard to run for president. Gotta get another whack, socialist in the ring. He’s the black Obama to them.

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And there’s this…
Stacey Abrams says 2020 White House bid ‘definitely on the table’
https://truepundit.com/stacey-abrams-says-2020-white-house-bid-definitely-on-the-table/

Kram Nivel
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Kamala is now worried don’t you know.

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facepalmg facepalmg facepalmg mrgreen

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MST3KMST3K If ever there was the perfect example of a Marxist, it’s Stacey Abrams. IMO She hasn’t got a prayer of being elected, fortunately.

msliberty
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Wanted you to know that TRS has dedicated a new thread to what Mark said tonight.

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Love Abbott

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He’d be smart to do that as he would obliterate Cornyn, but his foolish ego will probably push him to pursue the Presidency which he will very likely lose. Once he’s a two time loser, he won’t be able to win anything moving forward.

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CalvinCoolCalvinCool I tend to agree with you. The sole purpose of him running for POTUS is for the dems to gain ground in Texas. We didn’t have a stellar ’18 election in Texas. We’ll see if he carries any weight for 2020 in Texas.

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Beto wouldn’t run against Cornyn because he would lose. Cornyn is actually more popular in Texas than Cruz.

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Avatarrjp977 LOL Beto would beat the pants off Cornyn. Cornyn is not more popular than Cruz.

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Go away then, Lee. We’re no longer interested in what you have to say. Go sleep with Chuckles Schumer you traitorous clown.

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Someone tell me why I should continue to support the GOP on a national level. I will vote for TXGOP for state offices but the GOP nationally is dead to me, unless one of you wise folks can persuade me otherwise. Anyone up for the challenge?

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Couldn’t agree with you more GolfCartOneGolfCartOne re national level and as a Floridian not too sure about them here either ( ok DeSantis BUT brand new governor anything could go wrong ) we still have little Marco and Snaky Scott

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Scott! What a spineless sell out. I watch that guy when he’s in the news and he can barely put a sentence together. They’ll be gunning for DeSantis. I hope he’s surrounded with good pols who can help guide him. Rubio! Yeah, no thanks. What a nightmare all this is ruthiedoggiemomruthiedoggiemom

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I’m still in shock that Scott was ever elected, Medicaid fraud in private life, sanctuary cities as governor, allowing the fraud re-voting to go on and look the other way until he thought it would effect him, Lord he even blocked Cruz from being put on the ballot here AND got on board with if someone had someone else paying your bills you shouldn’t have a gun anymore. Yes they will be gunning for DeSantis I have no doubt at all my friend none at all. I’m getting too old for this GolfCartOneGolfCartOne shock

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They are all we got. Sad I know. But there needs to be a whole lot of them primaried.

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Kram NivelKram Nivel That’s the problem, man. We don’t have them. They tell us one thing. Go to DC and never honor their commitments to us.

But I know what you’re saying. Believe me, I’m struggling over not wanting to vote for them v the need to vote them. I fear for my own future and any children I might have. I’m relatively young still but I have experienced Liberty and we are on a collision course to save our freedoms. To live the last half of my life without Liberty… well, it’s just unfathomable to me.

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I hear you. But we did get two half decent picks on the SCOTUS. And they are confirming his lower court nominees. To date a record setting 89. Trump is ignoring home state US Senator blue list. So there is that. But I wasn’t trying to paint a rosy picture. I started not to post that. We have to use them for what little we get out of them until we can get some true conservatives and constitutionalist to primary and defeat them.

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Kram NivelKram Nivel I’ll keep your opinion in mind, man. But I’m gonna bitch up a storm from now on. They’re Statists just like the democrats. But when they do something good, I’ll be with them. Otherwise, Katy bar the door, I’ll let my displeasure fly. Appreciate your thoughts.

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Same here. We are on the same page. I am not giving them any breaks anymore. I use to defend guys like Lee and Cruz until the cows came home. But not anymore.

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Kram NivelKram Nivel I had some Never Trumper jump all over me yesterday because I said Cruz was turning into a swamp thing. We exchanged some lengthy, unfriendly comments with each other.

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You know that Lee was a nevertrumper too. I thought he had overcome this. But apparently not.

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Kram NivelKram Nivel Yeah man, I know. I was too at one point. But then Cruz said he was voting for him and I started listening to what Trump was saying. I couldn’t waste my vote on 3rd party in such an important election. I blame NeverTrump for allowing this vitriol and turning their backs on this country. I view them close to being traitors to the country.

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Yep, I agree!

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The President only has his base backing him. We must not relent or surrender.

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So Agree!

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It’s amazing the GOP appears ready to cede the red Western states to CA. It’s amazing the GOP appears ready to cede our national sovereignty to the world. Makes me sick at my stomach.

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Time for a Trump rally against both parties for selling out the American family/worker..

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I have all the respect in the world for Mike Lee. Met him once at Ted Cruz’s office in Madison, WI. Talked to him for quite a while and I came away with no doubt the man is a true conservative. That being said, I disagree with him on this issue. Granted, it may not be the ideal way to go to get the wall built, but both Republicans and Democrats won’t let him get it done any other way. A crisis on the border? Certainly is! Yes, we’ve had illegal aliens crossing, getting freebies, and even killing people for decades, if not longer. But… and it’s a big but… not to the degree we have now. According to CBP, 66,450 crossed in February alone. In addition, 6560 pounds of drugs were sized. We need to be able to build the wall by whatever legal means available, and the emergency… Read more »

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bikerhoopbikerhoop
Of those 66,000, how many crossed into the US? I know they were apprehended, but were they allowed entry? If they surrendered & were simply allowed in, how effective will bollard fencing be?

Did they say where the drugs were seized, because the BP came out 2 or 3 times disagreeing with Trump. They say ports of entry are where the big drug busts are. Between ports of entry, yes, but not to any extent that Trump stated.

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sam – Read it again – it says 66,450 crossed. If 66,000+ were apprehended, imagine how many weren’t apprehended. CBP only apprehends a small percentage of those who actually cross. Bollard fencing will do the trick because they won’t be able to squeeze between the bollards. It’s what CBP says will be most effective because they can see what’s going on on the other side. I think it was just last week two officials, one from CBP and one from another agency (I forget which one) testified to the opposite. They said the big busts are not at the ports of entry (that’s Dem propaganda). It would be really stupid of the cartels to try to get their major shipments across at the POE, where there’s a good chance it will be discovered when there are so many miles of open border where getting across is like stepping across a… Read more »

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bikerhoopbikerhoop
Re those entering the US & this is damn frightening.

Just since December 21, DHS has been forced to release 84,500 illegal aliens from Central American family units: 14,500 were in the Phoenix area, 37,500 in south Texas, 24,000 in El Paso, and 8,500 in San Diego, according to the Arizona Republic. Many of the ones dropped off this past weekend in Phoenix were in the country for less than 24 hours. .

CBP Stats – click on drug seizures. Field Office is Ports of entry. Bottom is between POE. They also published somewhere? That 41% of smuggling was done by “Americans”.

The border should be “completely” shut down for at least 6 months as far as I’m concerned. Congress, BOTH parties, are NOT on our side. They are destroying our country.

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Avatarsam
I agree that a lot of the smuggling is done by Americans. Maybe that’s why Congress doesn’t want the border closed? And yes, the border should be completely closed for an indeterminate amount of time until we get this immigration thing straightened out – anchor babies, asylum, deportations, E-Verify, penalties for employers… the whole gambit. Once all that is done then, and only then, can we reopen our borders and allow a specified number of immigrants a year, but only those who have something to contribute, no more welfare leaches.

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bikerhoopbikerhoop
I’m 100% with you. Great post.

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bikerhoopbikerhoop , well said. Just like expecting criminals to follow stricter gun laws, drug cartels aren’t going to follow the law and only come into points of entry. The either walk across unprotected areas or in some cases tunnel across. The cartels aren’t as stupid as the US Congress.

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Why are the Rs undercutting Trump like this? Why are they even bringing this up?

Seriously????

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Their donors are worried that the cheap labor hose is going to get clogged.

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Thank you. Doesn’t make sense to me.

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Apparently they don’t care about the damage that will become of more illegals invading this country. They do nothing about sanctuary cities, they do nothing about companies hiring illegals….they are worthless.

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Thank you. Doesn’t make sense to me.

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KMA GOP
I seem to be saying that a whole lot these days.

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Trump will probably veto and that will be the end of it. Congress gave the President the power to do this. Now they want their toys back.

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But they never challenge the Courts and all the power grabs coming from the Judiciary other than hot air rhetoric.

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Republicans hardly ever challenge anything. They can’t have it both ways. Either they are against the transfer of power or they aren’t. They can’t pick and choose when it benefits them to try to take it back.

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The DonorGods at work. Let’s see what Cruz does…

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Anybody else having problems in the comment section.

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Oh yea.

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Are you talking about AT?

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No. I am from time to time having problem with up voting folks and making comments. It may be a local thing.

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I was kidding. The only problem that I’ve been having is multiple copies of comments, but I think I figured it out.

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He is a pain. I miss the ability to block.

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You should see Landscaper’s mini thread below asking Scoop to bring it back.

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i will have to drop down and take a look.

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I take every opportunity to say she is a she.

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smile

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Kram NivelKram Nivel I sometimes have that problem. It just won’t take. I restart page and it seems to work again.

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It is working fine at the moment. How do you get my or another commenters Avi in your reply? Thats pretty cool.

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Kram, right at first when you put your cursor in to type, just start by using…[email protected] and the persons name

Kram NivelKram Nivel & it pops up as you’re typing. Hope that makes sense.

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mslibertymsliberty Test Let me know if it works.

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You got it!

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Kram NivelKram Nivel It worked.

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Kram NivelKram Nivel See mslibertymsliberty explanation. However, I’ll add when you type the @ sign be sure not to leave a space afterwards. Immediately type the name you’re wanting. You can type the first few letters, wait a second and it will populate. If it doesn’t populate put in a dash and it will. Try it!

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I totally thought he was talking about the contents of the posts. That’s why I agreed. I thought for sure he was having a problem with what he was reading in the comments section. Because… wow. How quickly the Cult of Donald turn on our own when they make one decision or say one thing folks disagree with.

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Frankly, I am about done trying. This new system sucks.

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Such as?

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yes, my comment history vanished along with my old username, now i’m starting over after being here many years unamused

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Cruz will follow suit, you can see it coming.

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Yeah, now that he’s been re-elected he doesn’t need us anymore.

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What did he flip on??

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He’s most likely going to stand with Lee against Trumps National Emergency.

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I haven’t seen that anywhere. So far, that is just one anonymous poster’s wild speculation.

Even if he did, a single, nuanced position on one aspect of the wall, which is only one aspect of immigration hardly justifies your assertion he’s unreliable.

To read your comments, even the slightest disagreement with the president is grounds for burning somebody at the stake. The problem is the president frequently disagrees with himself.

Lee and Cruz are both strong and passionate advocates for secure borders. Both support the wall. The only point in contention here is the process by which part of the wall is funded.

You’re prematurely overreacting.

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Why else would Mr. Constitution be so silent. He is like a dog shaking while trying to extract a peach seed he ate.

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It’s so pathetic.

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You’re guessing…and you’re condemning based on it.

You might be right. You could write and argue your point. Or you could wait until he makes an announcement.

You could also be wrong. I don’t presume to know how he runs his office. Maybe you shouldn’t either.

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If Cruz gave a damn he would be appearing on all the talk shows supporting the presidents position of protecting the American people. He’s hiding instead. Oh how I pray I am wrong….

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TXGRunnerTXGRunner Cruz is becoming a swamp thing. He’s changing. You can’t see it because you dump on the President all the time. The in thing to be in the Senate is borderline Never Trump. Cruz needs the Senate to like him or his effing donors will not contribute to him. BTW, before you go off on me I’ll tell you that I was a paid staffer on every one of Cruz’ campaigns. I know him.

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When was the last time I mentioned the president by name? I’ve given him kudos and I’ve criticized him. I’ve done the same with Cruz and Lee. Just yesterday, I wrote many posts criticizing Cruz for wanting to call a hearing on an active aircraft investigation. I have no idea who you are; you’re anonymous. So, unless you offer you real name and details we can check, that claim is pretty meaningless. What is telling is that you’re here criticizing Cruz as a “swamp thing” and he wasn’t even the subject. In fact, we don’t even know what position he’ll take on this issue, but you want to prejudge and vilify him in advance. What we do know is that you obviously don’t have the foggiest idea what NT was, who started it, who was never in it, that there was never a leader, and that all GOP senators except… Read more »

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TXGRunner Just as soon as you release your personal info, I’ll be all in, Jack. I’m also a former Dallas cop and a precinct chair in North TX. I didn’t say Cruz was a swamp thing. I said he was becoming a swamp thing. If you knew anything about what you’re talking about, you’d know that Cruz’ donors have told him to play nice in the Senate or no bux. Cruz has a rep (deserved or not) for not being a likable guy. That’s part of why he barely beat the fake tan Irishman. I have many friends who wouldn’t vote for him because they didn’t “like” him. I had to explain it’s not the package, it’s the message. He beat Dewhurst because our base was sick of the GOPe and the next in line entitled game. Texas wanted a fighter in DC. Texas was first to recognize the need… Read more »

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Where did I insult you? What Alinsky tactic did I use? For that matter, why not answer the previous question I asked? All I wrote was there was no way to know who you are or were or verify anything you claim personal knowledge of or expertise. The corollary to that is you don’t know anything about me, what I’ve done, who I’ve supported or where I was at any given time. The difference is I’m not listing unverifiable credentials as proof of my expertise. I’m not even claiming any expertise. The only assertion I ever made about Cruz in this thread was we don’t know his position yet and it’s premature to attack him for taking a position he hasn’t yet taken. NT was started by writers on RedState. They’re conservative. They actually subscribe to an ideology known as “conservatism” and they’re very consistent about it. They relentlessly attacked… Read more »

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TXGRunnerTXGRunner I don’t know which question you asked that I haven’t answered and frankly I don’t care. That’s right RedState did start NT. The insufferable Erick Erickson. NRO carried it forward. They’re the ones who are known for being NT today (Goldberg, French, etc). I know what RedState is and was. I was a commentor on there until I left that site way back during Obama’s 1st year because those pansy snowflakes couldn’t take it when someone disagreed with their positions (Neil Stevens, Caleb Howe who wasn’t even a regular author at the time). RedState is irrelevant. GOPe and NeoCons have sure done a good snow job claiming the conservative mantel but of course, they (you) aren’t conservative at all. There are many, many on this site who would disagree vehemently with you that Ryan is NT and a Statist. Anyway, I’m done with you. No more responses.

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The person who can’t abide by any disagreement is you. You have no ideology, no philosophy to under-gird your opinions of the moment. I doubt you ever even voted for Cruz let alone work for him or that you were every a cop — your writing suggests you lack the temperament or judgement for either. Like a few others, immigration, sovereignty, secure borders, national security, abortion, fiscal responsibility, RKBA are all secondary to your one litmus test: unflinching and unquestionable loyalty to the president. You’re not conservative. You don’t even know what conservatism is or any history behind it. You support a man. Today he’s all for Rex Tillerson. You support Rex Tillerson. Tomorrow Tillerson is an unreliable turncoat. You hate Tillerson. Today he says Jeff Sessions is one of the greatest legal minds, a truly honorable man and statesman. You sing the praises of Jeff Sessions. Tomorrow Sessions is… Read more »

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Ehrenbezeigung, mein Herr Alinsky TXGRunnerTXGRunner!

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TXGRunnerTXGRunner
Keep posting. Your comments are always valid.

You automatically become a NT or Killary voter if you dare question anything.

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What good are they if they can’t follow through on the most important issue facing us right now?
Do we just twiddle our thumbs while the invasion continues and more and more democrat voters are made?
When exactly is the time to get upset and worried for our future?
Are you happy dishing out hard taxpayer money to illegals? Are you happy with sanctuary cities, are you happy with the drug and sex trafficking problem facing this country? Are you happy with more and more Americans being murdered by illegals?
You can pretend this issue isn’t important. I for one don’t want democrats to have total control over this country. That is exactly where we are headed…none of these republicans have come out with anything else to stop this madness. They are complicit.

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You could make your case to Cruz. You could lobby him.

You could wait until he actually announces his position before lumping him together with whoever you hate the most at that moment in time.

The fact is, both Lee and Cruz favor building the wall and secure borders. They’ve consistently voted that way. You’re willing to tar and feather them (before Cruz even announces how he’ll vote!) over a question of process.

Or, you could run for office and challenge Lee or Cruz or Sasse based on them not supporting the right process. Good luck.

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You sound so cultish. I have every right to call out these senators for not protecting the American people. Maybe they will get the message…staying silent and praising every move they make only gives them more power to screw you over.

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A cult or cultish, attitude is believing there must be 100% agreement on a complex issue with a very intricate process, and that any deviation is treachery worthy of total destruction.

Just yesterday, I posted extensively criticizing Cruz for wanting to hold hearings during an active aircraft accident investigation. I disagree with him, but that doesn’t mean I’ve decided he’s the anti-Christ or even that I think stupid or bad. I think he’s an excellent senator, I just disagree with him on that issue.

Have you ever disagreed with the president? Have you ever criticized him in comments here?

This forum has sunk to the level of twitter and youtube comments. There is no discussion here, there’s just an echo chamber and an insistence to absolute fealty to one person.

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I criticize the president just as hard when he makes stupid moves that help democrats. Yes, I have done it here many times. Why should I not criticize Cruz just as hard? You simply can’t handle the truth because you kiss the feet Cruz walks on.

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I’ve never seen you criticize the president.

You subordinate any issue — immigration, abortion, national security, RKBA — to one overriding litmus test: absolute and unconditional allegiance to the president.

‘backdoor amnesty’ support the president
No amnesty, support the president.

“We have to let Syrian refugees come in.” Support the president.
“We can’t let Syrian refugees come in.” Support the president.

Support RKBA 100%. Support the president.
Ban bumpstocks, start a national registry, implement red flag laws. Support the president.

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I’m thinking we may have overrated Ted. He is apparently only a “firebrand” when it is politically expedient.

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One of the many reasons we need to have a secure border and cut off the incentives {welfare freebies} to come to the US illegally. Congress you need to listen.
https://therightscoop.com/horrible-illegal-gang-member-protected-by-californias-sanctuary-laws-viciously-stabs-woman-to-death-in-her-home/

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I guess innocent Americans being killed by illegals because of weak borders doesn’t rate high enough to classify some as an emergency in Mike Lee’s mind. Pity.

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I agree. No real conservative would pull this crap. Open borders is all they want.

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Lee is not a supporter of open borders. The point of the negotiation was to achieve the president’s aims without having to use an emergency declaration.

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Innocent Americans have been being killed by illegals for years, decades even, and it never rose to “emergency” before. The only thing that’s changed lately is an obstinate Congress that won’t give Donald all of America’s money to build a wall. I suspect that’s his reasoning.

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Lee strongly favors secure borders. He wanted to achieve the president’s aims without the emergency declaration. You might disagree with his position on the method of achieving secure borders, but to stretch that to write anybody who disagrees with you on process, disagrees with you on substance is disingenuous.

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Normally I would agree with you but the problem is they’re dealing with people who have no desire to negotiate no matter what. Be damn the consequences. I’ve never seen anything like it. It’s petulant and It’s insane. This is what forced the emergency measure in the first place. Plus legally Trump does have the authority to do so. Did Lee miss what’s been going on over the last few months? He can’t be that naive.

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This forum has sunk to the level of twitter and youtube comments. We’re discussing process differences, not policy differences. Anyone who dares to disagree in even the smallest detail of process is made out to be some sort of super-villain.

Lee, Cruz, and Sasse all support border security and building the wall. AFAIK, we don’t even know yet how Cruz and Sasse will vote, but several in this forum want to lynch them now, while they’re good and angry.

What is naive is to think there must be 100% agreement on complex issues with intricate processes…and if anybody fails to agree 100%, they are a traitor who suffer consequences ten times worse than a leftist who openly calls for open borders.

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Anyone who dares to disagree in even the smallest detail of process is made out to be some sort of super-villain.

idea hmm lol

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TXGRunnerTXGRunner
Good assessment on this site. How dare you question anything or think for yourself or quote facts.

I posted a comment a few days ago &
K-Bob accused me of trolling, spamming & posting “replacement” garbage re the border wall. He said I was using some disgruntled persons garbage & we should take the word of Border Patrol.

I HAD quoted Border Patrol & sent him the link. No apology, nothing.

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…and even as a mod, he’s quite happy, even proud, to run off anyone who fails to show 100% allegiance to the president.

‘We have to let Syrian refugees come in.” Support the president.
“We can’t let Syrian refugees come in.” Support the president.

“100% support for the RKBA.” Support the president.
Ban bumpstocks, start a national registry, implement red flag laws. Support the president.

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TXGRunnerTXGRunner
Yup, attacking our side for independent thinking. Quite amusing in one sense yet absolutely pathetic in another. And here I thought postings were our own opinions, not someone else demanding we think the same as them. How dumb of me!!

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By the comments on this thread, i see many folks defending Lee selling out. Many of you need to Stop putting polititians on a pedastal. People change, Its human nature.

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Project much?

Your God-King-Emperor declares he wants things done a particular way, and anybody who seeks to achieve the same goals through other means is labeled a heretic, anybody who defends the mere concept of them suggesting an alternative method is an idolator.

Looked in a mirror lately?

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Your God-King-Emperor Over reacting much TXGRunnerTXGRunner hmm

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hyperbole – exaggerated statements or claims not meant to be taken literally.

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Totally not derangement syndrome at all.

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…because as an ‘editor,’ you prefer anyone who dares to disagree just sit down and shut-up. Heaven forbid there be a discussion, much better to just label them and resort to epithets.

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You should actually read your comments out loud and take a moment to listen to what you are saying, TXGRunnerTXGRunner .

People focused on Orange Man don’t “discuss” anything. They either come here to cheerlead or make bizarre statements about disagreement.

Disagree all you like, but knock off the garbage trying to force people into either the TrumpForever box or the NeverTrump box.

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I feel like Sen Lee is wrong about this, because he agrees it is legal and trump has the authority to do this, on the other hand Sen Lee has proved repeatedly he not a Republican in Name only. (RINO) that being said I hope he changes his mind.

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I agree Lee is no Rino, but lately he seems to be drifting into the Koch Brothers libertarian mindset. First with “jailbreak” and now this when all reports show the border illegals are at record highs. I also posted earlier he has put together a bill with Joni Earnest for mandated Paid family leave which is a massive new entitlement despite how they are spinning it.

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Lee was totally wrong on “jailbreak” as far as I’m concerned.
I was surprised on the family leave thing. If only government would quit inserting itself/trying to control so much of our lives.

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I agree on both counts. This is a major overreach into the private sector because Lee can claim the businesses won’t be forced to pay for the leave, they will be indirectly, as they will either have to spend time and money hiring and training temp workers or paying existing employees to carry extra work loads. As Doc said, everybody knows SS is broke so it’s disingenuous to claim the family leave will just be early SS payments. It will have to come from general funds.

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The Right ScoopThe Right Scoop Is there any way your software folks can bring back the Block feature to the new WP system?

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OK, now you have to tell me who.

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@

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AT, I figured it out when reading your exchanges…

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FrPaulFrPaul Good guess!

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grin

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Who do you think.

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@AT I’m thinking you smile

AT
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I like how you included a little reference to Star Wars there.

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PLEASE!

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57Matty is right you have to tell us who you want to block.

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LOL. Yeah its a bit annoying.

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I lost all respect for him when he crawled into bed with Ivanka and her BS family leave and other things we’re supposed to pay for.

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Ruthie, he and Joni Earnest are claiming it won’t cost taxpayers a dime as it’s just a way for people to take their SS early as if he doesn’t know there is no SS money being saved when they deduct it from us. Not to mention, what are the businesses suppose to do while their employee takes this holiday, pass the work to other employees or have to hire temps. Federal government has no business being involved period.

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Amazing how so many of us had kids and never once expected anything from anyone while we raised them.

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You lost all respect for him supporting an idea of the president’s daughter, and now you’re further angered because he’s not supporting the president?

How come you didn’t lose respect for the president supporting his daughter’s plan?

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I’m not talking about Trump you don’t know if I respect anything or nothing re-him. I’m talking about Lee and Ivanka’s BS plan Lee I THOUGHT at one time was the poster boy for Conservatives ..was never under that impression with the president so really silly over simplified comparison on your part TXGRunnerTXGRunner

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? = a question, usually denoting a request for information because the person asking the question recognizes they don’t have that information.

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What part of my response didn’t you understand as an answer to your questions ?

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You wrote I made a “silly over-simplified comparison.” Actually, I just asked a question, which you opted not to answer.

It doesn’t matter. This forum has sunk to the level of twitter and youtube comments. Most of the comments make everyone out to be super-villains if they dare to disagree on even the minutest detail.

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If you really think this forum TXGRunnerTXGRunner has sunk to the level of Twitter and you tube comments why stay here ? arrow

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You’re right. Congrats on running off another person who agreed with you probably 95% on policy.

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I’m not surprised. He was so reluctant to give his cautious, tepid backing that I didn’t think it would be his final verdict. For everyone who’s bashing him, just Google “Mike Lee Conservative rating” and see what pops up — 100% on every scorecard I saw. He’s a good man, and no thoughtful person would call him a “RINO” or question his motives.

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TalithaTalitha I agree he’s not a RINO. I did think he would vote with trump though on this.

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Mark Levin covered in-depth how and why Mike Lee is wrong and why he is being foolish on this topic. Mike Lee is much like Sasse he just votes the right way. But he rarely if every takes on the left publicly like he does Trump. The reason is because he is weak.

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Weak =Rhino.

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Kram, he sure has gotten into some strange issues lately for sure like pushing hard for Van Jones “jailbreak” and now sponsoring a bill with Earnst for mandated paid family leave. Now this as the reports show the border numbers are on the rise and the highest in a very long time. Not sure what’s happened to him.

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Apparently Avatarwilltapp TXGRunnerTXGRunner has had his head in a sandtrap ignorant to all this, acts like WE should not think negatively about Lee

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I have been disappointed with most of his choices lately Ruthie so I don’t care what some rating system has him at. His family leave is just another big entitlement no matter how he tries to sell it and I’m surprised since I truly believed he was a limited government person.

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Well, the thing about you guys is you’re so dang quick to throw a fellow who’s been a solid conservative under the bus. If Levin had gone the other way, you guys would be throwing HIM under the bus. MAGA.

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TalithaTalitha getting a little tired of your snarky MAGA you’re throwing around at everyone. I didn’t care for the slogan when Reagan used it because America has always been great, so quit talking at ” you guys ” when we are all individuals with different life experiences and opinions.

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Anybody who disagrees with you on process is wrong, and if they’re wrong they’re weak. They can’t possibly sincerely disagree or just have a different opinion…failure to agree with [insert your idol de jure here] means they are a squish, RINO, turn-coat, weak, pansy, traitor, turncoat?

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You left out virtuous and self-righteous two bit goody two shoes.

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What a well reasoned argument.

People will be convinced of whatever the heck you’re trying to say any minute now.

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They’d first have to be willing to think and consider arguments to be convinced.

Context helps, but far too many lack the attention span to read more than a few words before they assign a label and launch into the same old, tired attacks because for many, loyalty seems to take precedence over policy.

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Yeah, then just broad brush them all into some stupid category so you can dismiss everyone. That’s some real reasoning right there.

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Those scores mean as much to me as give us the house the senate and the white house…means nothing to me anymore TalithaTalitha. He HAS changed look up where he is with Ivanka and that paid family leave nonsense.

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That would be outrageously stupid. But whose stupid daughter is pushing this with Daddy’s blessing? But MAGA, or whatever.

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Julio Gonzalez
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A new poll shows that 70% of Republican voters support President Trump’s use of a national emergency to fund the wall. Given this is a Politico poll, I’m sure the real numbers are much higher!

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Are you sure you want to run the country by polls? I want something done about the border, too. I don’t think this is the right approach.

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So Lee is a RINO? He’s the bad guy now? He’s NOT Conservative? Just because of this??? It seems many people are forgetting his track record and his strong constitutional stance throughout his political career. I’m literally stunned by many of these posts. Many by people I don’t recognize.

I want the border shored up immediately too. But it appears that this isn’t the proper way to do that. I’m pretty sure we all want political leadership that follows the rules/Constitution. I’m assuming Lee has determined this isn’t constitutional. And everyone’s angry about that? SMH

And for what it’s worth, I admire Trump’s resolve. Wish he had pushed harder for the wall when republicans controlled all of congress. Republicans failed Trump before now. That’s what everyone should be mad about.

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I’m literally stunned by many of these posts.

That’s because you’re not seeing their posts. You’re seeing their knees.

I’m pretty sure we all want political leadership that follows the rules/Constitution.

I’m not so sure I believe that anymore, when it comes to the Right-wing.

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They’re thinking with their MAGA. It tends to distort things.

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Better than pretending that people do not change.

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Oh puhlease chuckle TalithaTalitha

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I rather be MAGA than worship a polititian.

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bwahahahaha…wow, talk about projection…

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MAGA mostly translates into Trump worship. It’s “I trust Trump, the lifetime liberal, the one Andrew Breitbart warned us about, to make America great again.”

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The “it’s just this one time” thing is immaterial.

Driving the aircraft straight into the mountain usually only happens the one time.

Lee is wrong. He’s making a big mistake. He deserves excoriation for it.

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and technically if some want to play that ” it’s just this one time ” AvatarK-Bob it’s not

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I’m sorry but I will not play that game. So we cant call out Lee for basically becoming a Rhino? Just calling a spade a spade. He AGREES WITH MURKOWSKI, That should tell toi everything.

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He should have pushed for the wall earlier, no doubt.

But he will never get it with congress either. So what, we have to sit back and watch the invasion?

Lee said it was legal, if was so worried about presidential power why didn’t they do something about it before Trump tried to use it for something to help our country?

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Lee has joined the dark side. Many are too blind To see it.

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He could always come up with new things to pitch to Congress, that don’t include walls. Oh, but that might hurt his re-election chances huh.

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Walls work.

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I’m not saying they don’t. I’m just saying that he failed to secure one with Congress. So… maybe he should start looking for a solution he CAN secure with Congress.

But again, that would jeopardize re-election. And we can’t have that. That’s an emergency.

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If memory serves me right Ryan gave him a guarantee he would later so Trump gave him some slack and then Ryan went back on his promise.

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He didn’t have a problem with the Trump having the authority to do this and he understands that congress legitimately passed a law to authorize it but he apparently thinks that congress shouldn’t have done it and he thinks “NOW” is the time to reassert congressional power, pretty lame RINO or not and I don’t think he is a RINO but he may have spent the night at a Holiday Inn Express.

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I think it’s about time we start defining what constitutes a “National Emergency.”

Does it have to be planes flying into towers? Is that the standard that must be met?

Or are we afraid of the Dems saying “climate change is a NE!” when all they have are computer projections that never turn out to be accurate?

And their arguments against guns (“because of the children!”) involve a Constitutional Amendment.

So let’s Man Up and face facts: Illegal Immigration, porous borders, Sanctuary cities and states, and policies that encourage more and more people to come here illegally is OUT OF CONTROL. If it isn’t a true National Emergency I don’t know what else to call it.

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clapping clapping clapping Right on!

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A really big problem that nobody in power – nobody whatsoever – is serious about solving?

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Lee has a good legal mind, like Cruz. If his legal mind is at the root of how he will vote it might mean Trump will not get this thing passed through the courts…

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It’s a dark day when Lee joins Collins and Murkowski. That being said, I don’t blame him. However, I do blame all the RINOs who didn’t settle this in 2017 or 2018 by funding the wall and keeping their campaign promises. We are here because they failed to act and so, any “anger” from them is on them. I also wish Trump had made this more of a priority back then but he was busy with a tax plan and two SCOTUS judges. He’s not absolved but I hold the republicans more accountable.

AT
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AT

Yea, but we knew they weren’t going to do that.

I warned people about voting for them, but nobody listened. They all called me a traitorous supporter of democrats and other mean names. sad

Sentinel
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ATAT

The 2016 GOP Primary was brutal and split many people on the right.

AT
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AT

The 2018 midterms were just as bad.

TXGRunner
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I disagree with you slightly. I don’t think it split the “right” whatever that means to whoever interprets it.

The split we saw was between ideological conservatives and populists. To further confuse things, among ideological conservatives there was already a split over America’s role and leadership in the world. Those who favor a more restricted, narrower role for the US found sympathy among the populists, but just on that issue.

I think it’s an important distinction, but I can certainly understand where others would see it differently.

In the end, the more “conservative” party (which is not conservative at all) nominated a populist and populists adopted many conservative labels, giving them a very thin veneer of appearing like conservatives. When we scratch the surface though, there is no underlying conservative philosophy.

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