FREAKING AWESOME: Rep. Renee Ellmers SCHOOLS Sebelius on maternity care for men…

I absolutely love the attitude Rep. Renee Ellmers has in this video, especially at the very end. This is how it’s done:



(h/t: CNS News)

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Bryan
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Bryan

Sebelius can’t dodge the truth no matter how hard she tries.

David Hess
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David Hess

She is pretty good though.

joe
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joe

That sounded like Marsha Blackburn laughing in the background. Get ’em, gals!

conservocop
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conservocop

Freakin’ awesome !!! The GOP man could learn a lesson or two from the GOP women !!!

phil
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phil

this is briliant

Erick Feiling
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Erick Feiling

I think it would be fair, if you guys and girls go on the website and shop for a plan. In a lot of cases people were able to get what they want. A lot of cases I’ve seen were people not willing to even go to the healthcare website. The companies aren’t going to show you cheaper plans because they want to make money off you. I mean in fact who you think wrote the law. You making this a right vs left thing again.

Rob ONeil
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Rob ONeil

@Erick: the law was NOT written by the insurance companies. Wake up and stop defending this horrid, irresponsible and inept administration.

Erick Feiling
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Erick Feiling

The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act consists of a combination of measures to control healthcare costs, and an expansion of coverage through public and private insurance: broader Medicaid eligibility and Medicare coverage, and subsidized, regulated private insurance. An individual mandate coupled with subsidies for private insurance as a means for universal healthcare was considered the best way to win the support of the Senate because it had been included in prior bipartisan reform proposals. The idea goes back as far as 1989, when it was initially proposed by the conservative Heritage Foundation as an alternative to single-payer health care.[49] It was championed by many Republican politicians as a market-based approach to healthcare reform on the basis of individual responsibility. Specifically, because the 1986 Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA) requires any hospital participating in Medicare (which nearly all do) to provide emergency care to anyone who needs… Read more »

sickandtired
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sickandtired

However, it has changed dramatically AFTER it was passed and the HHS added and changed many new laws to it, leaving most private insurance policies “non compliant”, and therefore kicking people off. By the way, the changing of ANY language, once determined to be “law” without going through our branches of checks and balances, was illegal. The arbitrary delays are illegal. The exemptions are illegal. So tell me, what part of this is GOOD????? And please do not use wiki for reliable information.

Erick Feiling
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Erick Feiling

I guess I’m sick and tired of coming to a right wing website and seeing what they have to say. I mean after all if you don’t want me to link to a source then you want me to say stuff off the top of my head. If the law was changed it was because of the lobby that wanted words changed. There was going to be a public option, but Republicans wanted that removed. If you want to know how I’m getting my answers I just Google and read Reddit a lot. It’s funny that you say don’t use Wikipedia but it was the first thing that came up when I Google the answer I was looking for.

P_Ang
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P_Ang

Google is also leftist.
Top of your head is fine. Back it up with non-blog news sources.

Tony Marcus
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Tony Marcus

ANYONE who doesn’t totally agree with a troglodyte’s view of the world is deemed leftist by you guys. I don’t even know what left and right mean at this point, but I DO know the meaning of willful ignorance, and you folks exemplify it.

K-Bob
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K-Bob

Now you’re just in desperation mode. Go troll somewhere else. Find some place where people don’t bother to read or study the facts, because you aren’t faring well with your fantasy claims here.

sickandtired
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sickandtired

“IF” the law was changed??? It was, and it wasn’t by lobbyists. There was not a single respublican “yes” vote for this “law”, tax, whatever suits them to refer to it at the moment. You may need to check numerous sources for valid information. Obamacare is set up to fail, so that they can shove the single payer down our throats – there won’t be any insurance companies left, and it will be the only alternative left. Funny thing…..all these new regulations that were put in by HHS after the “law” existed, without going through the proper channels to do so, make the current policies “non compliant”. Take pre-existing conditions for example….one of the pillars that Obamacare stands on. It was going to offer policies for those who couldn’t get insurance because of them, right? Well, that very thing makes private policies “non compliant” now……so in reality, either ALL private… Read more »

Tony Marcus
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Tony Marcus

This is nonsense. I’m insured through Kaiser, and they’ve informed me that my policy will continue just as it was unless I choose to explore other options now open to me through ACA. I’m not saying this will be true for everyone, but saying that 100% are affected is just a pure lie.

K-Bob
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K-Bob

100% of Insurers were affected. Your policy will have changed, no matter who it’s through: the law required it to be changed. So that’s a fact you cannot alter.

You may have not been dumped yet. Good for you. Millions of people have been, including most retirees. And the administration lackeys are lying about it, claiming it’s the insurance companies who are to blame.

Brian Jones
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Brian Jones

I’m insured through Kaiser and mine got cancelled…

Erick Feiling
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Erick Feiling

So if it is passed on the state level by a Republican then it’s okay? We’re the riches country in the world and we can’t give our people healthcare? Plus all I said was go to the website and shop around. I didn’t mean to have the whole site turn on me. The law isn’t perfect and so wasn’t Medicaid Part D but I don’t see anyone bitching about that. Pass a bill to fix the parts that are broken because those are the only things Obama is going to sign into law. Or just let it take effect and if people hate it, we’ll vote for someone that will repeal it.

Brian Jones
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Brian Jones

If not a single Republican voted for Obamacare, why the HELL are you surprised to come to a REPUBLICAN website and see REPUBLICANS upset with Obamacare?!?

You can always just go back from whence you came…at least for now, until Obama removes that freedom of choice as well…

Erick Feiling
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Erick Feiling

Yeah, but I’m sure one ran on trying to repeal it. How did that work out for him?

Brian Jones
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Brian Jones

And your point? You *STILL* are surprised that Republicans (NONE OF WHOM VOTED FOR OBAMACARE) are against Obamacare…in what universe does that make sense?!?

Erick Feiling
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Erick Feiling

Well you can wait to let Obamacare play out and if everyone hate it much like yourself. Republicans can use that hate to get more seats in 2014 and 2016. Also keep in mind that Mitt ran on repealing Obamacare. He lost by 5 million votes. After all we live in a republic and not a democracy sir. Vote for the people you want to effect things on the state and federal level.

Source:
http://thisnation.com/question/011.html

Scott Captain Rino Dixon
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Scott Captain Rino Dixon

You’re linking to Wikipedia, educate yourself as that is not a source. That is written by individuals I hope you’re smart enough to know Wikipedia pays for the right to have their links pop up first? When I read your posts I understand why so many people get taken like sheep on these things like this ACA. sad What part of the estimation that up to 16 million people will lose their existing coverages that they picked out themselves in the next year, this was an estimation by the Congressional Budget Office and a report the White House had access too up to 2 years ago.

Erick Feiling
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Erick Feiling

Yes, you act like I enjoy the fact that people will lose there existing coverage. The law isn’t perfect and I’ll be the one of the first people to say that it’s not 100%. However work on fixing the law so people can keep what they have. Another thing is I just don’t read just Wikipedia. I surf the internet and read a lot of stuff. It’s just that when I link to a source just about everyone of my friends on the right say “Oh that’s a left wing source!” and it’s not. In fact one time I used Google and someone said “Google is a leftly site!” so I used Bing and got the same damn responds from the guy. A lot of people trust Wikipedia and I posted a link because I wasn’t going to go into a library find a book and take a picture for… Read more »

Charles Alexander
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Charles Alexander

“That is written by individuals” –> this is your argument? And Wiki does not pay to have their links advance in the search engine, there is no need for Wiki to do that since it is the site that most users gravitate towards for a comprehensive overview of a topic, pushing them to the search top hits. Wiki is edited constantly, especially hot topics, and all topics have to have pertinent citations (or they have a citation asking for a cite) or it is not approved for publication. The reason you don’t cite Wiki in a paper, essay, newspaper, congressional speech, etc. is because you should always cite the primary source, not because it is not reliable or inaccurate or as you say “liberal.” For example, who cites the Encyclopedia Britannica? And to call an open source a “liberal” source is preposterous! IT is a collection of facts backed by… Read more »

Charles Alexander
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Charles Alexander

Erick you do not need to defend why you cited wiki, it is easier and all the cites are at that bottom that can easily be researched. Notice how they picked right up on the wiki, in an effort to publicly insinuate that you are less informed then they are…. however once they stop their belittling of your use of wiki (for those that even did – nice topic change folks!), their posts are devoid of verifiable fact and lack any citations at all. Here is a good one to use next time: http://healthcarereform.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=004182

P_Ang
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P_Ang

Yeah, I was just going to say, using a leftist propaganda website for information after claiming it’s “not a left vs right thing” is a bit hypocritical.

Tony Marcus
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Tony Marcus

Wikipedia, an open source website, can contain inaccuracies. Calling it a “leftist propaganda website” is totally absurd, unless you believe that the entire world is a leftist conspiracy…well, except for you folks hiding in your cave here. You’re the only ones that know the TRUTH!

K-Bob
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K-Bob

Wikipedia has allowed many leftists to control several pages on controversial subjects. However, for non-controversial subjects, it’s a good starter resource. But no serious person uses it as a reference for debate. You must go to the original documents.

Erick Feiling
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Erick Feiling

Well K-Bob you can do either two things. You can go on Wikipedia and correct what those leftists nerds put. Or you can start a right wing version of the same damn site. There have been cases that I pull up more than one source. Just forgive me for being to lazy to do that now. I’ve heard from more than once source that the healthcare companies wrote the law a long time ago. Plus it’s better then just walking into ER at the last minute. Besides I know a lot of people that don’t even have healthcare that will now be able to get it.

K-Bob
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K-Bob

Everyone got healthcare before. Now they have “coverage” which is something entirely different.

And to heck with bothering with wikipedia. It’s fine as it is, just as long as people understand WHAT it is. One thing it is not, is a reliable source. It wasn’t designed to be.

TKWink'057
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TKWink'057

I agree with you as to Law passed and some NON ELECTED APPOINTEE REDOES BILL ENACTED BY CONGRESS?! WTF?!

Charles Alexander
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Charles Alexander
Erick Feiling
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Erick Feiling

In fact here you go Rob.

Let me Google that for you.
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=heritage+foundation+wrote+obamacare

badbadlibs
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badbadlibs

What plan did you get from the “website”, Erick? What are the “a lot of cases”? Do give us details and verifiable facts, please. There’s nothing right vs. left about being clear and factual, is there, Erick?

Erick Feiling
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Erick Feiling

I was going to get healthcare with a company that offered me a job. The funny thing is, I need a government clearance. The DSS is now back logged due to the government shutdown. So in other words, I’ll use the website if I get another job and stay a contractor. However there are a lot of cases that debunked the higher cost by just going to the website and searching for a plan.

Source:

http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-mh-debunked-20131030,0,6010994.story#axzz2jIOoH16n

Brian Jones
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Brian Jones

From my experience with Government Clearances, there is ALWAYS a backlog…that’s why it takes over 3 months to get a SCI in the military, and sometimes a year or more for a private contractor. The shutdown had NOTHING to do with that, except for maybe extending it out another few weeks… Also, you seem to want to push Obamacare and pretend that all of us know not what we speaketh of…I *PERSONALLY* have lost my Health Insurance provided by Kaiser Permanente (I *WAS* paying over $450 a month, and my insurance was FAR from “sub-par” since I’m a Disabled Veteran and require lots of surgeries and medications on a regular basis, but since Obamacare required Kaiser to provide *ME* (a 27 year old single man) Maternity Coverage, they had to change my plan and now it’s no longer grand-fathered in), now they want over $1000 a month for the same… Read more »

P_Ang
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P_Ang

Go to the website so they can take your information for tracking purposes? No thank you. Did you not read all those articles when it first came out that it records ALL your information before it even gives you the plans? No thanks, I don’t need you lefties getting information for your concentration camps you’re planning for me and my family.

Funcuz
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Funcuz

What I don’t get about Obamacare (and I’m not actually entirely against) is how it’s basically a women’s healthcare bill. I mean , there are virtually no provisions for men while there are about a million for women. If that’s the case , so be it but this clip just serves to accentuate the point that it really isn’t designed with all the population in mind but rather only the female half.

Eric Vega
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Eric Vega

You are recognizing that liberal administrations see White Men as the “problem” with the country. This is the “victim” mentality that everyone talks about. Liberal Progressives see this a way to “get even” for the decades of “unfair treatment” that had been done to African Americans, Women, Gays and Lesbians. I am NOT a White Male, but I see the writing on the wall. The goal is to dominate and even humiliate and shame the “white majority” as they are called. The “OLD WHITE GUYS” who they felt have run the country for all these years.

P_Ang
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P_Ang

If they make “societal” changes to “get even”, does that mean white men can get back the trillions of dollars stolen from them by leftists over the years? After all, that’s “even”.

Tony Marcus
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Tony Marcus

<–Old white guy who understands that folks like me HAVE dominated society. I'm neither humiliated or shamed, nor do I fell dominated. I DO feel like, for example, women still only making $.78 on the dollar versus men for performing the same job is unfair. If you think it IS equitable, please explain why. The interesting thing is that the "white majority" is becoming a minority. I think that's what really gets so many people upset…thinking that America can't be American unless the average American is of European extraction. Personally, I don't care what color anyone is; I'm concerned about what sort of person they are.

K-Bob
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K-Bob

That’s an abused stat about women’s pay from the seventies. Like the reported unemployment figures, It doesn’t take into account a lot of factors. The pay gap has been closing steadily (mostly due to changes under Reagan/Clinton era policies), and is nearly gone. Sadly, under barack’s “recovery,” it has gotten larger, just as unemployment among black males has grown to immense proportions, thanks to barack’s policies. And no, the white-skin-color-group is not becoming a “minority.” That’s poor math, again. Skin-color-obsessed leftists keep making that claim, while ignoring the data. The fact is, those who claim to be “white” will cease to be the majority population in the US some time in the next thirty years. However, they will still be the biggest single skin-color-group by far, well into the next century. It’s called plurality. It just proves that the left’s obsession with skin color causes them to make poor decisions… Read more »

Tony Marcus
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Tony Marcus

Funcuz, there are many health issues that are particular to females. There are only a handful (prostate cancer foremost) that only affect males. As I understand it, ACA doesn’t divide the population by sex, but mandates care be available as needed. What exactly would be gained by listing males and females separately when defining services? No female will require prostate surgery, and no man a hysterectomy…it doesn’t really seem like that needs to be spelled out.

Carl Mayo
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Carl Mayo

the whole purpose of obamacare is to bankrupt the healthcare system.
it was designed to fail from the start.
obama is following the script by blaming the insurance companies for rising costs.
in a few years, listen for the democrats to start demanding single-payer.

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Guest

they are already demanding single-payer.

Yazz55
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Yazz55

Should have phrased the question just a bit different.

Instead of a single 32 yr old guy

How about…

Maternity coverage for a gay couple – 2 guys, who can now legally get married need maternity coverage??

FedUp
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FedUp

AMERICA! … WE ARE FVKED! …

johnny b
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johnny b

The ONLY person dumber than Sebelius is a tie between Debbie Wasserman Schultz, Eric withHolder, Maxine Waters, Charlie Rangle and Hank Johnson…. They all hold water for Nobama and have a total aggregate IQ of room temperature on a cold day with the window open….and note; they are all democons and libertards….

Tim
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Tim

Good job exposing this but Renee Ellmers, from the impression I read up about her is a RINO Boehner puppet diva who’s voted for all of the leadership’s spending and felt entitled to get her salary during the shutdown.

TKWink'057
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TKWink'057

Tony,
Unfortunately I am a very loyal Tea Party supporter as Big Govt is unconstitutional and Founding Fathers est America where States were more powerful than Federal govt! Now states send DC money due to Career Politicians who are more wealthy than when arrived in DC! 34 states refused to est Federal Healthcare Exchanges due to states are bound by constitution of state to balance budget and know ACA will bankrupt them eventually! Federal mandates w/o any funds are a favorite of DC as NV Dem Senator Reid stated & believes “Americans will pay more taxes”. Bullshit! Did you write your state congressmen telling them to Vote Nea on you paying the non elected workers in DC from getting ACA subsidies you probably don’t qualify?! I damn sure did! I email mine regularly so they get my pov and vote more my way than not!

Tony Marcus
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Tony Marcus

Well Twinky019, I’m unsure as to why you think it’s unfortunate that you’re active in advocating what you believe in. Personally, I think that’s one really fine thing about this country; that we’re allowed to do that. What upsets me is when people, after finding they’re in the minority of voters, insist that it’s unfair that they lost because THEY’RE the only true Americans. I advocate for better education for the electorate so that we all can make informed choices. I urge you to continue to make your voice known, but also to read a broad spectrum of news sources, and not just those that echo your own thoughts. Clearly I do that, or I wouldn’t have found myself on this page to begin with. Thanks for your comment.

TKWink'057
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TKWink'057

Tony, I read tons! I’m very aware of the Global Economy and our once great status being reduced due to ignorance.

Education is great but because you lead a horse to water does not guarantee horse will drink! Issue with current population. Entitlement oriented without common sense!

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Guest

Tony, I hope you respect that just because someone is in the minority does not mean their individual liberties can be put aside. This was a fundamental concept in the founding of modern democracies, including ours.

bionicflutist
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bionicflutist

Ever notice how Obama hides behind the women in his administration, allowing them
to take the fall for his own incompetence and failures? Hillary, Susan
Rice, Sibelius … using women as a shield like a coward and a wimp.

Mark Besse
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Mark Besse

The real War on Women. Bubba did the same thing. Hid behind Hillary’s skirt. Oops, pantsuit.

Funcuz
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Funcuz

The Obama administration is a war on men. This drivel about there being any war on women at all is just a red herring. IF there’s a war against either gender it’s clearly being waged against men. The Obama administration has removed due process rights from male university students (I’m amazed that it hasn’t been struck down entirely…oh , Google “Dear Colleague Letter” if you don’t know what I’m talking about) The healthcare bill pretty much completely ignores men entirely. There are only two provisions dedicated to men (over a hundred for women) and of those two , both are related to how women may be affected by men. Education money has been spent further trying to induce women to enter STEM fields despite the fact that females are outperforming males in virtually every facet of education and make up nearly %60 of the student body on college campuses anyway.… Read more »

Mark Besse
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Mark Besse

While what you say is accurate, it doesn’t mean the Liberals aren’t fighting in multiple fronts. The biggest war waged by Liberals is their War on Children. 1) Burden them with debt. 2) Screw up their education. 3) Kill them before they are born, or in Obama’s case after.

Laurel
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Laurel

Well spotted!

Tim
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Tim

They’re accountable too for the administration’s crimes though. They’re no more victims than Eric the Red Holder.

wiselatina2theright
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wiselatina2theright

obamacare also is forcing insurers to cover sex-change operations…..do 85 year old men or women really need to pay for sex-change operations? Regardless of the stupid non-operable website, the insurance plans are ridiculous and Obamacare already has destroyed the relationships between many doctors and patients and insureds and their health care policies. This totally sucks.

froggy19510
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froggy19510

After which Senelius went home, put on some Tchaikovsky, poured a glass of Laphroaig 18 and forgot all about it.

TKWink'057
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TKWink'057

The BEST REVENGE is to give the majority of US Congress a Pink Slip in 2014 & 2016!

Apathetic voters have selves to blame. The US House of Reps and US Senate are full of nothing but CAREER POLITICIANS whose representation is for DC Benies and Wealth they DID NOT ARRIVE WITH when first sent to DC. Show this small group of greedy self serving bureaucrats that THEY WORK FOR AMERICANS WHO ELECTED THEM & PAY THEIR SALARIES UNTIL 2013 when Americans realized NOT ONE ELECTED CONGRESS REP BOTHERED TO TELL THEIR CONSTITUENTS WHAT WAS IN THAT BILL THOSE 535 Elected self serving fat cats voted for or against, basically an act of DERELICTION OF DUTY TO THEIR MASTERS, American Constituent! Rock the Vote & FIRE THEM ALL!

Tony Marcus
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Tony Marcus

I agree that all Americans should vote for candidates who support their beliefs. Luckily, it seems that the majority of Americans these days realize that the sort of small minded bigotry that many of the posters here display should be a thing of the past. With luck and hard work, we can turn most of the tea party types out in 2014 and get back to having a congress that actually accomplishes something.

K-Bob
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K-Bob

2014 is for impeachment. Your heroes will all be looking for a job.

Tony Marcus
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Tony Marcus

My heroes….hmm…in Washington, about my only hero is Bernie Sanders. I think most politicians are only interested in lining their own pockets and getting laid by interns…on both sides of the aisle. And yes, I definitely include the tea party types in this. If you sincerely think that impeachment is going to happen, you don’t have a very firm grasp on reality, however.

K-Bob
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K-Bob

Coming from someone firmly grasping the surreal, that’s not much of an insult.

twmon9816
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twmon9816

Yeah einstein, your party is doing a fine job of making the rich richer and the poor poorer, all while destroying the middle class. You’re just too stupid to see it. Great job libidiots!

Tony Marcus
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Tony Marcus

Twmon9816 (interesting how many people on here hide behind aliases), what party is that? I’m not a Democrat, I’m an independent. I totally deplore the gutting of the US middle class. People who buy the right wing agenda of further enriching the wealthiest among us in the forlorn hope that somehow a tiny trickle will reach them are enabling the demise of the middle class. Do you seriously think, for example, that raising the highest marginal income tax rate to a point still WAY below where it was during the time of our greatest economic growth would damage the middle class? Please explain if you do….I consider myself lucky enough to be in the middle class. I certainly don’t make $450,000 a year, which is that amount below which no increase in marginal rates is implemented. Have you noticed the high percentage of commentators on this and other such sites… Read more »

Matt Fleming
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Matt Fleming

BOOM HEADSHOT!!!

PVG
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PVG

Made me smile…….real big!

USPatriot
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USPatriot

Smack.
That left a mark.

clubgitmo
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clubgitmo

That’s what we need. Some GOP with a kick ass attitude instead of these wimps like Boehner, mccain and all the rest.

RighteousCrow_JustCaws
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RighteousCrow_JustCaws

SeemescrooUS, Holdem, Hitlery…et al…what will come of all this? Same old drill but no consequences, no changes, no conclusions even. It’s like some sort of sick parody: just lather, rinse, repeat. I want to see some legal action, heads rolling.

Mark Salinger
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Mark Salinger

Despite their utter incompetence and selfish partisanship the one thing liberals have mastered is the art of smug superiority as if they are geniuses who know what they are doing and know what’s best for everyone.

It’s the Emperor Has No Clothes scenario and too many Americans have been falling for it. Rep. Ellmers does a great job of revealing the naked truth. We need more of that!

belladonnacotton
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belladonnacotton

Sibelius is such a stooge she is an idiot and couldn’t run an ice-cream truck except into the ground.

Tava2
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Tava2

and I question if she can play basket ball at all

sickandtired
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sickandtired

Touche! smile

jtak101
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jtak101

The maternity coverage the 30 yr old single male is being forced to pay for is to cover the bill for some welfare cheating baby momma with 12 kids and no idea who the fathers re ..that’s the entire point of this ACA scheme…working young middle class gets to pay for barrys chosen people to continue being irresponsible idiots.

badbadlibs
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badbadlibs

I’m not 30, I’m not a single male. I am a woman well past child bearing years (in my 60’s), unable to have a baby IF I wanted another one and am being forced to pay for maternity coverage, newborn coverage as well as PEDIATRIC dental and vision. It isn’t just the 30yr old guy who is paying for this disaster.

Tony Marcus
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Tony Marcus

Bigot call! You’ve got 39 people on this forum who think that “jtak101” is clever for his idiotic racist remarks. Oh, I bet that now I’m “playing the race card”, because someone defining a group as “barrys chosen people” of course has NOTHING to do with race. Are you truly ignorant enough to not realize, regardless of your bias, that we are paying medical bills for the indigent already, and that those bills are far higher than they would be with a sensible single payer insurance system?

K-Bob
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K-Bob

It’s only “racist” to skin-color-obsessed leftists. barack’s “chosen people” happens to include a lot of extremely wealthy whites.

jtak101
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jtak101

Dear pitty party Tony…….You’re pathetic….I never mentioned race in my reply..barrys chosen people are welfare cheats of every color….race was never mentioned but you quickly drew your own conclusion…..as they say…if the show fits, wear it!! BTW I have 41 likes now..what’s your score???

BearNJ
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BearNJ

Nice job Rep Ellmers. Nice job taking apart Creuella Sebelius. Does anyone else notice most conservative woman are attractive? Liberal woman have hips like Hillary. Another reason to be a conservative.

Tony Marcus
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Tony Marcus

That’s perhaps one of the most moronic statements I’ve ever heard. Did you ever notice that most conservative guys are idiots?

Vorlath -
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Vorlath -

More moronic than maternity coverage for guys? Pretty sure liberals thought of that one.

Tony Marcus
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Tony Marcus

If you took the time (assuming you’re able) to read and understand my original post you wouldn’t need to ask that question.

K-Bob
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K-Bob

We only let you believe that so you have something to aspire to.

friskyness
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friskyness

moronic=liberals!

Frank DiSalle
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Frank DiSalle

I do notice that every one of Obama’s appointees looks like a lesbian…

badbadlibs
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badbadlibs

How about addressing the issue? Let’s hear your well reasoned, truthful answer to the fact that people are being FORCED (that’s code for tyranny) to pay for services they will never use?
Can you defend this travesty?

Tony Marcus
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Tony Marcus

If you had read what I posted before, you’d perhaps understand what I’m talking about, perhaps not. We pay taxes in this country (as in all countries). One can argue that we are FORCED to do so…it’s part of what being in a society entails. In most first world societies (all of western Europe, for example) providing health insurance is part of the government’s duty. Those countries provide BETTER health results than we do, and the cost is far less per capita. If you don’t believe me, go look at the World Health Organization statistics. Of course, if you believe that anything with the word “World” in it is a communist plot, there’s really no point in talking to you. If you really want to continue having worse health care results than 36 other countries, at a much greater cost, I’d love for you to explain why.

RustyTrombone01
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RustyTrombone01

Please explain why the leaders in those countries you are citing use our medical(former) system when they need surgeries? Oh yea, that because capitalism provides nearly the best opportunity for getting what you pay for. If you want this [email protected] then move to France.

Tony Marcus
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Tony Marcus

Interesting that you should mention France. They, as I recall, have the BEST record of medical outcomes according to the WHO…that’s the same list where the US falls right in between Costa Rica and Slovenia.

twmon9816
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twmon9816

If you’re soo unsatisfied get the hell out. Move to one of those [email protected]

Tony Marcus
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Tony Marcus

You guys are the ones who sound dissatisfied, no? This whole page is full of people whining about how terrible it is here. Perhaps YOU should leave. It would make more sense to stay here and make your voice known, however. The fact of the matter is that the president won a second term. I have plenty of issues with his presidency (NSA spying, drone killings, continued imprisonment without trial). If you want to raise those issues, I’m right there with you. If you would rather continue to parrot talking points designed by the Kochs and their poisonous ilk, we’re not going to find much common ground.

K-Bob
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K-Bob

We’ll leave the parroting to you.

sickandtired
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sickandtired

I hear there are these things called airplanes, and they do provide one-way transportation……

Tony Marcus
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Tony Marcus

Sickandtired, I very much like living in this country, and am happy to pay my taxes and exercise my duties and rights as a citizen. If you dislike our government so much, you are of course free to leave.

badbadlibs
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badbadlibs

We’re NOT the rest of the “world”. We are America, we have FEEDOMS guaranteed by the Constitution. NO where in the Constitution does it give government the duty to provide health insurance. The greatest reason the “rest of the world” enjoys “better” health period is BECAUSE of the free market system in AMERICA that has created incentives to procure cures and medications and medical devices, etc. The waste of time is having a conversation with someone who believes this country is some kind of backwards nation. You don’t understand how good you have it, and won’t be satisfied until there is no place on earth left to enjoy freedoms and prosperity. People that think like you do use to be not much more then a nuisance, now you’re down right dangerous to freedom loving people everywhere. Perhaps YOU will put YOUR money where YOUR mouth is instead of making ME… Read more »

NYGino
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NYGino

Hear hear badbad. You speak for me also.

BearNJ
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BearNJ

Actually I’ve noticed the Left are the morons as they consistently ignore facts, reason and logic imposing their failed radical egalitarian policies on the people. Churchill said it best calling out the left, progressives, socialists and liberals out back in 1948.
“Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.”

twmon9816
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twmon9816

I was unaware you were conservative.

Tony Marcus
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Tony Marcus

I am fairly conservative in many ways; certainly more so than those who would reshape our society by dismantling the federal government.

sickandtired
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sickandtired

Hmmm..they believe in limited government, accountability, fiscal responsibility, balanced bugets, the Constitution, indvidualism, and what the Fore-Fathers envisioned this country to become. Yeah…that is SO idiotic…..stereotype much, Tony?

Tony Marcus
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Tony Marcus

Sickandtired, obviously I was trying to make a point…that classifying those with ANY belief system is foolish. I don’t for a second believe that all those whose beliefs differ from mine are stupid. I also don’t find any actual connection between traditional conservatism and the tea party “no central government is the best solution” types. If, in the midst of an apparently serious discussion, someone were to say “I don’t believe anything conservatives say because they’re mostly fat”, wouldn’t you think that was a particularly stupid and inappropriate comment? THAT is what I was responding to.

Penelope210
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Penelope210

Now THAT is how it done for sure! Take note wimpy republicans!! Loved her grin at the end!!

PVG
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PVG

You betcha!

Mark Correll
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Mark Correll

ALL single male should file lawsuits against the federal government for forcing them to buy something that they don’t want and don’t need.

Másátő Ryőtá
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Másátő Ryőtá

LoL..The laugh at the end was the best!….haha…I’m a single male…Why the hell do I need maternity coverage ???….This makes NO sense…but then again ..This Administration never made any sense….smh…

Vorlath -
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Vorlath -

Maybe Sebelius needs a prostate exam? It’s probably covered in her plan.

Tony Marcus
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Tony Marcus

Naturally, if ACA doesn’t make a discrimination between males and females, then the blanket description would include pregnancy coverage. What point is she trying to make, exactly? The part of tax that I’ve always been most positive about paying has been that which goes to education. I fervently wish that share were a greater percentage of our budget. I have no children; never have, never will. I care about children despite that. Health coverage for all citizens is much the same idea. Some people will undoubtedly end up more out of pocket (certainly the ones who had no insurance at all previously). If the end result is that citizens don’t end up getting bankrupted by medical charges, then it’s a positive thing as far as I’m concerned. I already have a comprehensive medical policy, in fact, it’s by far the largest bill I pay each month. I’d love it if… Read more »

PatriotGranny
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PatriotGranny

What you just described is socialism and has no place in this country. If that’s what you want, move to a country where that is how things are.

Tony Marcus
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Tony Marcus

Learn your history, PatriotGranny. For about 20 years until WWI, there was a very active Socialist Party in the US. Eugene Debs, their candidate for president got 6% of the vote. Fighting Bob LaFollette, on the Progressive party ticket, was elected governor of Wisconsin and won 17% of the presidential vote with policies very similar to Debs. The vilification of socialism in our country didn’t really start until Atty. General Palmer and that paragon, J. Edgar Hoover, started spreading fear and hatred about 1920. Now, the US is NOT going to adopt a socialist form of government. However, programs like social security and medicare ARE socialist, and are widely viewed as being beneficial to the populace as a whole. I have no problem with people disagreeing with what I say, but i have disdain for those who do it from ignorance.

K-Bob
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K-Bob

You disdain yourself, then. Socialism has no place here. That doesn’t mean there aren’t totalitarian fools trying forever to bring one into existence.

Tony Marcus
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Tony Marcus

Well, Mr. K-Bob moderator, if you think socialism has no place in the US, I trust you will not collect social security or apply for medicare. Stay true to your beliefs!

K-Bob
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K-Bob

Those programs were fully funded by the people in them. That isn’t socialism. Your big-government heroes raided the funds and spent it to get re-elected. That’s oligarchy.

You have demonstrated a very poor understanding of economics. Which is par for the course for the left.

twmon9816
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twmon9816

Just another loser who wants a free ride and expects others to provide for and think for him.

Tony Marcus
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Tony Marcus

Do a bit more research, K-Bob. Social Security has never been a separate fund. Moneys paid by taxpayers for SSI go into the general fund. As to Medicare, there is no special funding mechanism for it at all. It’s paid for out of income taxes, and is available to all over 65 regardless of whether they’ve ever held a job….if that isn’t socialism, what is? Of course I have a poor understanding of economics. EVERYONE has a poor understanding of economics. If you assert anything else, you’re deluding yourself.

K-Bob
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K-Bob

We do our research here. That’s one thing you’d better learn about this site. I was referring CLEARLY to the way it was established. If you had read about it, you’d know this.

Your heroes, the big-spending, big-taxing progressives decided to raid the funds. That’s not socialism, it’s theft.

Economics is not a difficult subject. Leftists just don’t get math. They always think there’s plenty of money, no matter how much they spend. That’s why none of them understand economics, and it’s why the economy is so messed up right now.

Dirge
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Dirge

I disagree with Social Security, and yet I am automatically enrolled. They take my money with the promise that I will get it back when I retire. Why would i not collect my money when they give it back to me?!

K-Bob
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K-Bob

Exactly.

Laurel
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Laurel

Yep. Your history is almost correct. See the reality is North America and Western Civilization knew socialism long before we ever called it that.

The world has always had it’s parasites.

Tony Marcus
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Tony Marcus

Why yes, many native American tribes practiced what you would likely call socialism. It certainly had nothing to do with being parasites, however.

Laurel
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Laurel

Yeah and they also practiced cannibalism and human sacrifice. They shared that meat with the tribe so it was either socialism or just plain generosity for that parasite to share with his fellow parasites. That must be your kind of socialism if you are going to advocate it. And in actuality that is a near perfect example of parasite. You could ask the one that was eaten except they were digested.

And it appears with your examples that socialism didn’t work out too good for them. Not in the short term minute sense nor the long term sense either.

Advocating tribalism to deflect from your socialism is pure stupidity.

trytothink
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trytothink

A single payer system in the US would just be a huge money sink. Sure, basic care would be “covered”, but care quality would decrease and for anything but the most basic treatment there would be rationing and a definite setback in the pace of advancement.

Look at the NHS in Britain. It’s horrible. People are dying over there for no good reason, they wait for months for basic surgical procedures, and when it comes to advanced treatments they’re denied treatment.

The main problems we do have with healthcare in the US are caused by artificial restrictions on competitions enforced by state firewalls, very poor visibility in costs and pricing thanks to tax laws that create extra middlemen layers (employers and insurance companies), perverse incentives to over-treat patients due to those extra layers as well as a dire need for tort reform.

Tony Marcus
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Tony Marcus

Trytothink, pretty much EVERY first world country except the US has a single payer health system. No argument from me that tort abuses play a part in the immense cost of our health care, but changing that alone isn’t going to fix things. The World Health Organization ranks the US as 37th in quality of health care provided, despite the fact that we’re easily in first place in dollars spent on it. I know plenty of people in the UK who are perfectly happy with their NHS care, though it’s not near the top of the list itself. SIngle payer would eliminate the very problems you speak of with employers and insurance companies by creating a uniform system that avoids involving either of them.

trytothink
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trytothink

Well since the WHO’s main criteria for judging health care systems is whether or not they’re single payer, then it’s not a very useful ranking. Not only that, but they rely on a lot of self-reporting metrics that are like comparing apples to oranges. Really, the WHO is just another UN useless piece of crap that is happy to push some phony metric that attempts to put the USA in a bad light. The US’s healthcare is unarguably the best in the world when it comes to the sophistication of treatments, the number of treatment breakthroughs that originate here, the medications that originate here, the outcome for deadly diseases like cancer. Hell, much of the rest of the Western world’s success in healthcare are due to copying techniques that were pioneered in the USA. Without our system, theirs would be much worse. Without our push to decode the human genome,… Read more »

Tony Marcus
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Tony Marcus

Do you actually believe that members of congress reads the text of all the bills they vote on? Criticizing WHO because they’re not US based is the sort of hubris filled nonsense that is turning us into a second class country. USA has been at the forefront of many medical advances. Our implementation of such treatments leaves much to be desired, however
. As I mention below, our life expectancy is considerably less than over 30 other countries. Whether you choose to believe the figures or not, they’re facts.

K-Bob
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K-Bob

US records all deaths as due to some cause or other. Most countries don’t do that, nor do they include all infant death as mortality. They throw them into the non-data buckets of age-related or non-viable. Thus the healtcare services are protected from their failures.

US healthcare was still the best in the world until the statists started ruining it. Single-payer means worst-case on outcomes. That’s why people came here for healthcare, and not the other way around.

“I know plenty of people who are” happy with jihadists, too. The reality is, life expectancy rates go down under single payer. The only reason you don’t hear about it is because the media won’t report it, and the statistics are sanitized to treat all deaths over 60 as “old age.”

These are some of the major reasons most people do not want Obamacare.

Tony Marcus
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Tony Marcus

Check out Wikipedia on Life Expectancy by Country. The US is 33rd on their list, despite having among the highest standards of living. Rich people come to the US for elective surgery because there are plenty of doctors who operate on you tomorrow for your tummy tuck if you give them enough money. That really has nothing to do with health care.

Laurel
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Laurel

Once again you posit BS. ##rd on a list of what kind of lifestyles??? I doubt sincerely that people in Nairobi die form boating accidents off of their yachts or from speeding down freeways on their rice burners.

As to the tummy tuck BS…actually more people go to France for that. It’s cheaper. Even a lot of Americans do. I know more than few that go to Mexico for their plastic surgery. However those that need their fetus operated on in the womb or that far reaching cancer treatment and surgery come here. Ask the Canucks.

Explain to me the decades of doctors traveling the world from this country giving their services away for free if life is so much better abroad. Yeah that is anecdotal but you seem to like that. You live in that hunky dory multiculturalism lie.

Tony Marcus
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Tony Marcus

What on earth are you talking about, Laurel? It’s certainly true that American (and other) doctors have selflessly donated their time in third world countries, what does that have to do with my stating that, among FIRST world countries, we’re way down on the list in terms of both life expectancy and health results from medical care. That doesn’t discount that the US IS at the forefront of many new surgical techniques. Of course, many of those techniques are designed to prolong a sort of half life, in that here in the US doctors view death as something to always fight against. We in this country are completely terrified by the idea of death. When someone dies, their body is whisked away as though the condition is catching. The interesting thing, to me, is that all of this HASN’T resulted in us living longer. Our life expectancy IS longer than… Read more »

Laurel
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Laurel

Apparently you don’t know what it is that YOU are talking about. Have you ever compiled a study? Even in a high school or college class? I don’t think you have or you wouldn’t be quite so duped. The study you cite is useful for some measurement of society but it doesn’t give us an overall measurement because it leaves out culture, wealth, lifestyle and the effect of those on society at large. And who are you to deem what is wasteful? Yeah I’m okay with waste so long as someone isn’t wasting my things. Here is a reality check. You don’t know what constitutes waste in the medicine. You may think you know but in reality you don’t. You are blathering repeating talking points with little knowledge or understanding of what you are repeating. We have freedom in this country and that also has an exponential effect on medicine… Read more »

Tony Marcus
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Tony Marcus

Laurel, what I have the right to do, as does every citizen, is to speak my mind and vote as I see fit. If the voters of this country decide they dislike the ACA, it is within their power to elect a congress that will amend or repeal it. If you believe it is NOT my right to make my views known and to vote my conscience, you’re the one who’s un-American. As to studies, they can be manipulated to some degree by those compiling statistics. However, a thorough study such as those by WHO is a lot more believable to me than you saying that a friend of your great uncle who lives in Canada once had to wait six months for a hip replacement, and therefore single payer is BAD. So, I have no ability to “force your idea of Utopia on the rest of us”. The voters… Read more »

Laurel
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Laurel

You have the right to vote with your feet as well. But you don’t. You force your world view on everyone else. You are monolithic at best when you seek to remake a country, remake a world in your own warped image. You fool no one as you try to hide your Utopian ideals sprinkled with a little totalitarianism behind ‘voting’. Yeah mobs vote to hang people all of the time. Who do you think you are conning? The American Way is not mob rule let alone twisting, contorting, spinning, and finally setting on fire the Constitution and Bill of Rights. My favorite though is when the left invents ‘rights’ out of whole cloth and some mysterious constitution. Gives new meaning to pulling a rabbit out of a hat. I also like when you guys scream for the Constitution then out of the other side of your mouth say it’s… Read more »

Tony Marcus
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Tony Marcus

I’ve been trying to engage in an actual conversation with you, but you’re clearly not interested in facts, particularly when they conflict with your limited world view. I’m not wasting further time dealing with your closed mind. I’ll leave you with this thought: If you determine that any vote that doesn’t go your way is mob rule, YOU are completely un-American. You are the totalitarian one….your way or the highway. You can continue to hide here with the other folks patting each other on the back and crying because nobody understands you. Meanwhile, the rest of us are going to try and build a better country.

Laurel
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Laurel

No you came onto this site to be snarky and over the top ridiculous. You look down on the opposing side of the aisle because you think you are better than the opposite side. Now you feign that you are hurt and indignant. You claim I am closed minded because I disagreed with you but you can’t counter it in reality so you played your back up go to label card. That was quite the arrested development tantrum you posited. Sorry pal but in reality you got spanked. There is nothing you have posted that I haven’t heard for 10 years at least. You also got punk’d and your agenda busted. You no more understand what you are posting let alone the fallout from what you are posting than some obscure tribe in Papua New Guinea. That is why you can’t answer even a basic question in regards to your… Read more »

Tony Marcus
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Tony Marcus

Perhaps you didn’t read what I posted before. I’m not opting out of the conversation because I got “spanked”, but because you haven’t actually responded to any facts I’ve cited. If all you’re going to do is dismiss anything that disagrees with your preconceptions, this is not a discussion, it’s just a diatribe from you. Sorry, but not interested in your little tantrums. buh-bye!

Laurel
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Laurel

I see you still lack comprehension and denial is a river in Egypt for you.

You cited no relevant facts. That’s the point precisely and you know it hence the over the top hissy fit you had to cover for the fact you couldn’t answer a question or counter a single thing. SPANKED. SPANKED. AND SPANKED AGAIN TONY! I can only conclude that you like it.

You do realize you sound silly right? I hope you learned at least that much and I guess I was right about the link I posted as well. You cannot grasp it either.

I think you should dress up as Forrest Gump for Halloween since you run so well.

MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! RUN FORREST RUN!

K-Bob
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K-Bob

You are supporting those who have clearly damaged this nation, and it’s getting worseby almost every measure. Don’t lie about “building a better country.”

We’re going to kick you folks out of power, one way or the other. If you don’t like it, tough. Go screw up some other country.

Tony Marcus
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Tony Marcus

Okay, I was totally done with answering this drivel, but this piqued my interest. First of all I’m not one of the “folks” in power. There are very few elected officials in Washington that I can endorse. More importantly, I’d love to hear about the kicking out of power “one way or another”. Surely you’re not suggesting something other than electoral politics? When I was a student, there were lots of baby Bolsheviks who were just CERTAIN that the revolution was just around the corner. You folks remind me of nothing so much as that crowd of deluded losers, thinking that the American people are going to rise up against the government THEY ELECTED. I don’t doubt there are some total nutcases out there who will load up their AK-47s, or whatever is the favorite toy of the moment and shoot some poor schlubs in uniforms before they themselves are… Read more »

K-Bob
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K-Bob

Go back to your totalitarian, skin-color-obsessed pals. Your sickness comes from hanging out with them. You failed to spread it here.

K-Bob
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K-Bob

You don’t seem interested in the fact that the US reports deaths that other countries don’t. Also, we have a MUCH more varied population than any other nation. Much more dynamism, more people taking risks. Those all impact the ratings.

And people don’t come here just for tummy tucks. Typical leftist slander against people who need real procedures they can’t get in their broken, single-payer countries. You go down the list and outcomes are worse for all serious conditions in Britain, Canada, etc.

Single payer is great for sprained ankles, broken arms, and high fever. It’s horrible if you have a real life-threatening condition and are not wealthy, connected, and in the right party.

Tony Marcus
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Tony Marcus

K-Bob, please show evidence to support your claims…just saying it doesn’t make it true. I kind of have to laugh about the “dynamism” of the American public. My guess is that the average US citizen limits their risk taking to eating too much junk food. The total of accidental non-automobile related deaths in the US is a pittance. You say “Single payer is great for sprained ankles, broken arms, and high fever. It’s horrible if you have a real life-threatening condition and are not wealthy, connected, and in the right party.” First of all, I personally know three families that went from middle class existence to utter bankruptcy because of a health crisis for which they were unable to purchase insurance. When such things occur, the residual medical bills get foisted on us, the taxpayers, and they’re FAR higher than the cost of treatment under government single payer plans. Second,… Read more »

K-Bob
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K-Bob

No, they aren’t “asked”. Why do leftists always invent things to argue against? If you want to argue your own made up discussion, the go do it by yourself. Look: The left is all about the politics of pull. Those with the pull go to the front of the line. If you don’t know this, you are seriously deficient in your understanding of the world. And go ahead and laugh at the dynamism. Typical of a leftist to deride the very multicultural society they claim to endorse. If you think we’re not the most diverse, dynamic culture on the planet, you must have some strange beliefs indeed. You should study up on the catastrophic failures of your utopian, single-payer systems around the world. The stats are not in your favor. I’ve been in British hospitals. They are like stepping back into the 1950’s. You like that crap, go move there.… Read more »

Laurel
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Laurel

Funny thing is I know plenty of people in both Canada and UK that aren’t happy with their health care.

Do you have anymore anecdotal BS to posit here? Anymore rigged WHO numbers that you have already demonstrated you don’t understand?

Single payer will never ever eliminate any of the problems nor has it in any country it is implemented because self interest is taken out of the human equation both on the part of the patient and the medical professionals.

Tony Marcus
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Tony Marcus

Laurel, it’s interesting how you call my citing actual scientific studies “anecdotal BS”, and yet you then say that YOU know people in Canada and the UK that dislike their system….to me, that sounds like anecdotal BS, no?

Laurel
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Laurel

I said that. You seem to like the anecdotal don’t you?

Tony Marcus
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Tony Marcus

You do realize that what you just said makes no sense whatsoever, don’t you?

Laurel
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Laurel

Why? Off your meds? I said it was anecdotal in a post but along with your other shortcomings reading comprehension is one of them.

And like a child suffering from arrested development you feel the need to go through and down vote posts. Sorry but you down voting posts doesn’t help the stupidity that you blather one iota.

FreeManWalking
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FreeManWalking

Instead of televising these hearing, they should be caning the crap out of her in a back room. Let her feel the pain she is imposing on the American people.

FreeManWalking
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FreeManWalking

Was that wicked witch sebelius’s cackle at the end of the clip or was that some one in the audience laughing at her trying to defend maternity4men ?

Press Watchusa
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Press Watchusa

Can someone send this “thread” to Rep. Renee Ellmers

I think she would like it!

Dennis Morgan
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Dennis Morgan

what? you can’t type send it yourself you helpless turkey butt

Barbara Chapman-Baker
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Barbara Chapman-Baker

dude, I am nearly 60 and NOT tech savvy. so sorry that everyone cannot meet your standards. now, please get on a soapbox that will actually help accomplish something. may GOD be with you.

K-Bob
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K-Bob

Read and comply with the Comment Policy, please.

Press Watchusa
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Press Watchusa

Thanks Marshall for keeping the peace

Press Watchusa
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Press Watchusa

I would think someone from HER DISTRICT would like to send it !

nip
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nip

AWESOME, finally the people are hearing politicians saying what we have been screaming this whole time…..TEAR ‘EM UP!!!!!!

Press Watchusa
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Press Watchusa

I want HER on my FOOTBALL TEAM

YEOOWW!!

She’s a female Trey Gowdy!

Tom Betts
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Tom Betts

They forced us to buy insurance now they are forcing us to buy policies with benefits we cannot or will not ever use. It’s part of the raping of America especially the middle class who will be paying for all the people who cannot afford insurance. Moronic dictators.

Bug Spray
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Bug Spray

I got a hernia about the size of a small baby, will it cover that ??

drphibes
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drphibes

Pregnant Men: Arnold Schwarzenegger in JUNIOR. Louis Gossett, Jr. in ENEMY MINE.

kong1967
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kong1967

Intentionally driving up the rates. Gee, I wonder what motive they have to do that.

OneThinDime
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OneThinDime

The 40% tax kicks in in 2018 and is fully dependent on the amount you pay for your insurance. No one in this Congress showcase has mentioned that.

kong1967
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kong1967

I don’t know what you’re talking about. I’ve never heard or seen that mentioned anywhere. What tax?

OneThinDime
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OneThinDime

“Although the tax does not start until 2018, employers say they have to start now to meet the deadline and they are doing whatever they can to bring down the cost of their plans. Under the law, an employer or health insurer offering a plan that costs more than $10,200 for an individual and $27,500 for a family would typically pay a 40 percent excise tax on the amount exceeding the threshold. ”

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/28/business/cadillac-tax-health-insurance.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

I tried to call in to Levin’s show the other night when he mentioned the value of health insurance reported on the W-2. This is one of the reasons, to calculate this new tax. So you are taxed to not have insurance and taxed even more if you have good insurance.

kong1967
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kong1967

Ohhhhh, yeah. The question is “who” is going to be taxed. Your employer or you. 2018 is the first I heard of a date. I was assuming it would be within a couple years.

I also assumed it was going to be a tax on every plan because it’s considered earnings.

OneThinDime
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OneThinDime

It’s you because you are benefitting.
Insurance at least so far is not considered income but I do believe the Dems and the Repubs alike are looking at the potential tax revenues.

kong1967
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kong1967

The more money they take off the front end leaves less money for the consumer to spend anywhere else, which hurts the economy and the treasury.

They are bound determined to grind our economy to a halt.

Swamp Fox
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Swamp Fox

I don’t know about a baby… but I am about to have a cow over the majority of our Reps playing ball as if they are in the grapefruit league. Good job Ms. Ellmers! You hit that hardball out of the park — or more like a line drive!

OneThinDime
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OneThinDime

The Reps haven’t read the law or the regulations so they only ask the little bit someone has told them to ask about.

imatellau
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imatellau

I’m claiming maternity!!! Every 9 months I’m taking 6 weeks off. They will pay me! I will get a lawyer and sue for my rights! If the federal government is forcing… FORCING me to buy something… Then I d$mn well gonna use it!!!!!!!!!!!

Judith77
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Judith77

hahahaa! Love to see that!

Bug Spray
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Bug Spray

Stay pregnant my friends ….

Lisa Magoch Johnson
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Lisa Magoch Johnson

Depending on the hospital a woman delivers in, she is entitled to some great amenities that are comparable to a hotel. Nice music, good meal, etc.
You might want to insist that you get those niceties, since you’re paying for maternity anyhow.

imatellau
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imatellau

I’m a man. But I will a maternity claim!!! Oh! Ohhhh!!!! My water just broke!!!!

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