FREAKING AWESOME: Rep. Renee Ellmers SCHOOLS Sebelius on maternity care for men…

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I absolutely love the attitude Rep. Renee Ellmers has in this video, especially at the very end. This is how it’s done:



(h/t: CNS News)

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  5. I think it would be fair, if you guys and girls go on the website and shop for a plan. In a lot of cases people were able to get what they want. A lot of cases I’ve seen were people not willing to even go to the healthcare website. The companies aren’t going to show you cheaper plans because they want to make money off you. I mean in fact who you think wrote the law. You making this a right vs left thing again.

    1. @Erick: the law was NOT written by the insurance companies. Wake up and stop defending this horrid, irresponsible and inept administration.

      1. The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act consists of a combination of measures to control healthcare costs, and an expansion of coverage through public and private insurance: broader Medicaid eligibility and Medicare coverage, and subsidized, regulated private insurance. An individual mandate coupled with subsidies for private insurance as a means for universal healthcare was considered the best way to win the support of the Senate because it had been included in prior bipartisan reform proposals. The idea goes back as far as 1989, when it was initially proposed by the conservative Heritage Foundation as an alternative to single-payer health care.[49] It was championed by many Republican politicians as a market-based approach to healthcare reform on the basis of individual responsibility. Specifically, because the 1986 Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA) requires any hospital participating in Medicare (which nearly all do) to provide emergency care to anyone who needs it, the government often indirectly bore the cost of those without the ability to pay.

        Source:
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient_Protection_and_Affordable_Care_Act

        1. However, it has changed dramatically AFTER it was passed and the HHS added and changed many new laws to it, leaving most private insurance policies “non compliant”, and therefore kicking people off. By the way, the changing of ANY language, once determined to be “law” without going through our branches of checks and balances, was illegal. The arbitrary delays are illegal. The exemptions are illegal. So tell me, what part of this is GOOD????? And please do not use wiki for reliable information.

          1. I guess I’m sick and tired of coming to a right wing website and seeing what they have to say. I mean after all if you don’t want me to link to a source then you want me to say stuff off the top of my head. If the law was changed it was because of the lobby that wanted words changed. There was going to be a public option, but Republicans wanted that removed. If you want to know how I’m getting my answers I just Google and read Reddit a lot. It’s funny that you say don’t use Wikipedia but it was the first thing that came up when I Google the answer I was looking for.

              1. ANYONE who doesn’t totally agree with a troglodyte’s view of the world is deemed leftist by you guys. I don’t even know what left and right mean at this point, but I DO know the meaning of willful ignorance, and you folks exemplify it.

                1. Now you’re just in desperation mode. Go troll somewhere else. Find some place where people don’t bother to read or study the facts, because you aren’t faring well with your fantasy claims here.

            2. “IF” the law was changed??? It was, and it wasn’t by lobbyists. There was not a single respublican “yes” vote for this “law”, tax, whatever suits them to refer to it at the moment. You may need to check numerous sources for valid information. Obamacare is set up to fail, so that they can shove the single payer down our throats – there won’t be any insurance companies left, and it will be the only alternative left. Funny thing…..all these new regulations that were put in by HHS after the “law” existed, without going through the proper channels to do so, make the current policies “non compliant”. Take pre-existing conditions for example….one of the pillars that Obamacare stands on. It was going to offer policies for those who couldn’t get insurance because of them, right? Well, that very thing makes private policies “non compliant” now……so in reality, either ALL private policies will increase because the insurance companies now MUST insure people with pre-existing conditions, which then EVERYONE has to pay for, or the company kicks everyone off and they go to Obamacare….do you see what just THIS creates? And, BTW, only 16% of the country were uninsured, but now 100% are affected. So you see THIS problem? (for those of us who have private insurance and are being kicked off of them for “non compliance”, or even inability to compete because the rates jump so much? This is a true problem, and it’s not going to be “fixed” with a website.

              1. This is nonsense. I’m insured through Kaiser, and they’ve informed me that my policy will continue just as it was unless I choose to explore other options now open to me through ACA. I’m not saying this will be true for everyone, but saying that 100% are affected is just a pure lie.

                1. 100% of Insurers were affected. Your policy will have changed, no matter who it’s through: the law required it to be changed. So that’s a fact you cannot alter.

                  You may have not been dumped yet. Good for you. Millions of people have been, including most retirees. And the administration lackeys are lying about it, claiming it’s the insurance companies who are to blame.

              2. So if it is passed on the state level by a Republican then it’s okay? We’re the riches country in the world and we can’t give our people healthcare? Plus all I said was go to the website and shop around. I didn’t mean to have the whole site turn on me. The law isn’t perfect and so wasn’t Medicaid Part D but I don’t see anyone bitching about that. Pass a bill to fix the parts that are broken because those are the only things Obama is going to sign into law. Or just let it take effect and if people hate it, we’ll vote for someone that will repeal it.

            3. If not a single Republican voted for Obamacare, why the HELL are you surprised to come to a REPUBLICAN website and see REPUBLICANS upset with Obamacare?!?

              You can always just go back from whence you came…at least for now, until Obama removes that freedom of choice as well…

                1. And your point? You *STILL* are surprised that Republicans (NONE OF WHOM VOTED FOR OBAMACARE) are against Obamacare…in what universe does that make sense?!?

                2. Well you can wait to let Obamacare play out and if everyone hate it much like yourself. Republicans can use that hate to get more seats in 2014 and 2016. Also keep in mind that Mitt ran on repealing Obamacare. He lost by 5 million votes. After all we live in a republic and not a democracy sir. Vote for the people you want to effect things on the state and federal level.

                  Source:
                  http://thisnation.com/question/011.html

            4. You’re linking to Wikipedia, educate yourself as that is not a source. That is written by individuals I hope you’re smart enough to know Wikipedia pays for the right to have their links pop up first? When I read your posts I understand why so many people get taken like sheep on these things like this ACA. 🙁 What part of the estimation that up to 16 million people will lose their existing coverages that they picked out themselves in the next year, this was an estimation by the Congressional Budget Office and a report the White House had access too up to 2 years ago.

              1. Yes, you act like I enjoy the fact that people will lose there existing coverage. The law isn’t perfect and I’ll be the one of the first people to say that it’s not 100%. However work on fixing the law so people can keep what they have. Another thing is I just don’t read just Wikipedia. I surf the internet and read a lot of stuff. It’s just that when I link to a source just about everyone of my friends on the right say “Oh that’s a left wing source!” and it’s not. In fact one time I used Google and someone said “Google is a leftly site!” so I used Bing and got the same damn responds from the guy. A lot of people trust Wikipedia and I posted a link because I wasn’t going to go into a library find a book and take a picture for you.

              2. “That is written by individuals” –> this is your argument? And Wiki does not pay to have their links advance in the search engine, there is no need for Wiki to do that since it is the site that most users gravitate towards for a comprehensive overview of a topic, pushing them to the search top hits. Wiki is edited constantly, especially hot topics, and all topics have to have pertinent citations (or they have a citation asking for a cite) or it is not approved for publication. The reason you don’t cite Wiki in a paper, essay, newspaper, congressional speech, etc. is because you should always cite the primary source, not because it is not reliable or inaccurate or as you say “liberal.” For example, who cites the Encyclopedia Britannica? And to call an open source a “liberal” source is preposterous! IT is a collection of facts backed by cites on topics. Yes sometimes you will find inaccurate assessments of quotes and/or topics, but most are edited rather quickly with corrections. It is an excellent starting point to find the source needed to research farther. To use this as any source to formulate that “people get take like sheep” is unfounded. The sources most likely to cause that, are the sources that are devoid of citations, such as blogs, opinions without cites and even certain news outlets with agendas.

                Now Heritage says the CBO stated 16 million, the hill states that the CBO stated 20 million, politifact says 7 million, FOX says 50 million, Forbes says 93 million, ijreview (who QUOTES Forbes) says 94 million – So if the CBO had cold hard numbers, why are so many coming up with different numbers?

                This is what the CBO says:
                “In the current projection, the number of people gaining coverage
                through the exchanges rises from 7 million in 2014 to 24 million in
                2016, and the number gaining coverage through Medicaid rises from 8
                million in 2014 to 11 million in 2016,”

                The numbers are different b/c no one, not even the CBO knows the answer. What we do know is a number of American’s will lose worthless junk policies.

                http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/44190_EffectsAffordableCareActHealthInsuranceCoverage_2.pdf

                http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/43900_ACAInsuranceCoverageEffects.pdf

            5. Erick you do not need to defend why you cited wiki, it is easier and all the cites are at that bottom that can easily be researched. Notice how they picked right up on the wiki, in an effort to publicly insinuate that you are less informed then they are…. however once they stop their belittling of your use of wiki (for those that even did – nice topic change folks!), their posts are devoid of verifiable fact and lack any citations at all. Here is a good one to use next time: http://healthcarereform.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=004182

          2. Yeah, I was just going to say, using a leftist propaganda website for information after claiming it’s “not a left vs right thing” is a bit hypocritical.

            1. Wikipedia, an open source website, can contain inaccuracies. Calling it a “leftist propaganda website” is totally absurd, unless you believe that the entire world is a leftist conspiracy…well, except for you folks hiding in your cave here. You’re the only ones that know the TRUTH!

              1. Wikipedia has allowed many leftists to control several pages on controversial subjects. However, for non-controversial subjects, it’s a good starter resource. But no serious person uses it as a reference for debate. You must go to the original documents.

                1. Well K-Bob you can do either two things. You can go on Wikipedia and correct what those leftists nerds put. Or you can start a right wing version of the same damn site. There have been cases that I pull up more than one source. Just forgive me for being to lazy to do that now. I’ve heard from more than once source that the healthcare companies wrote the law a long time ago. Plus it’s better then just walking into ER at the last minute. Besides I know a lot of people that don’t even have healthcare that will now be able to get it.

                2. Everyone got healthcare before. Now they have “coverage” which is something entirely different.

                  And to heck with bothering with wikipedia. It’s fine as it is, just as long as people understand WHAT it is. One thing it is not, is a reliable source. It wasn’t designed to be.

          3. I agree with you as to Law passed and some NON ELECTED APPOINTEE REDOES BILL ENACTED BY CONGRESS?! WTF?!

    2. What plan did you get from the “website”, Erick? What are the “a lot of cases”? Do give us details and verifiable facts, please. There’s nothing right vs. left about being clear and factual, is there, Erick?

      1. I was going to get healthcare with a company that offered me a job. The funny thing is, I need a government clearance. The DSS is now back logged due to the government shutdown. So in other words, I’ll use the website if I get another job and stay a contractor. However there are a lot of cases that debunked the higher cost by just going to the website and searching for a plan.

        Source:

        http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-mh-debunked-20131030,0,6010994.story#axzz2jIOoH16n

        1. From my experience with Government Clearances, there is ALWAYS a backlog…that’s why it takes over 3 months to get a SCI in the military, and sometimes a year or more for a private contractor. The shutdown had NOTHING to do with that, except for maybe extending it out another few weeks…

          Also, you seem to want to push Obamacare and pretend that all of us know not what we speaketh of…I *PERSONALLY* have lost my Health Insurance provided by Kaiser Permanente (I *WAS* paying over $450 a month, and my insurance was FAR from “sub-par” since I’m a Disabled Veteran and require lots of surgeries and medications on a regular basis, but since Obamacare required Kaiser to provide *ME* (a 27 year old single man) Maternity Coverage, they had to change my plan and now it’s no longer grand-fathered in), now they want over $1000 a month for the same freakin’ plan through Obamacare…except that NOW I have MATERNITY CARE (WOO HOO!!!)…

          I guess you can just count me among the several hundred thousands in California to get ROYALLY FREAKIN’ SCREWED by Obamacare…get your head out of your butt and look at the world around you, before the Government gets around to bending *YOU* over the desk (because by the time that happens, there will be NO ONE left to speak out for you).

    3. Go to the website so they can take your information for tracking purposes? No thank you. Did you not read all those articles when it first came out that it records ALL your information before it even gives you the plans? No thanks, I don’t need you lefties getting information for your concentration camps you’re planning for me and my family.

  6. What I don’t get about Obamacare (and I’m not actually entirely against) is how it’s basically a women’s healthcare bill. I mean , there are virtually no provisions for men while there are about a million for women. If that’s the case , so be it but this clip just serves to accentuate the point that it really isn’t designed with all the population in mind but rather only the female half.

    1. You are recognizing that liberal administrations see White Men as the “problem” with the country. This is the “victim” mentality that everyone talks about. Liberal Progressives see this a way to “get even” for the decades of “unfair treatment” that had been done to African Americans, Women, Gays and Lesbians. I am NOT a White Male, but I see the writing on the wall. The goal is to dominate and even humiliate and shame the “white majority” as they are called. The “OLD WHITE GUYS” who they felt have run the country for all these years.

      1. If they make “societal” changes to “get even”, does that mean white men can get back the trillions of dollars stolen from them by leftists over the years? After all, that’s “even”.

      2. <–Old white guy who understands that folks like me HAVE dominated society. I'm neither humiliated or shamed, nor do I fell dominated. I DO feel like, for example, women still only making $.78 on the dollar versus men for performing the same job is unfair. If you think it IS equitable, please explain why. The interesting thing is that the "white majority" is becoming a minority. I think that's what really gets so many people upset…thinking that America can't be American unless the average American is of European extraction. Personally, I don't care what color anyone is; I'm concerned about what sort of person they are.

        1. That’s an abused stat about women’s pay from the seventies. Like the reported unemployment figures, It doesn’t take into account a lot of factors. The pay gap has been closing steadily (mostly due to changes under Reagan/Clinton era policies), and is nearly gone.

          Sadly, under barack’s “recovery,” it has gotten larger, just as unemployment among black males has grown to immense proportions, thanks to barack’s policies.

          And no, the white-skin-color-group is not becoming a “minority.” That’s poor math, again. Skin-color-obsessed leftists keep making that claim, while ignoring the data.
          The fact is, those who claim to be “white” will cease to be the majority population in the US some time in the next thirty years. However, they will still be the biggest single skin-color-group by far, well into the next century. It’s called plurality. It just proves that the left’s obsession with skin color causes them to make poor decisions again and again.

          The Founders and Constitutionalists everywhere believe in individual liberty. Not “rights” for certain skin color groups. That’s the left’s thing, which totally explains their creation of the KKK.

    2. Funcuz, there are many health issues that are particular to females. There are only a handful (prostate cancer foremost) that only affect males. As I understand it, ACA doesn’t divide the population by sex, but mandates care be available as needed. What exactly would be gained by listing males and females separately when defining services? No female will require prostate surgery, and no man a hysterectomy…it doesn’t really seem like that needs to be spelled out.

  7. the whole purpose of obamacare is to bankrupt the healthcare system.
    it was designed to fail from the start.
    obama is following the script by blaming the insurance companies for rising costs.
    in a few years, listen for the democrats to start demanding single-payer.

  8. Should have phrased the question just a bit different.

    Instead of a single 32 yr old guy

    How about…

    Maternity coverage for a gay couple – 2 guys, who can now legally get married need maternity coverage??

  10. The ONLY person dumber than Sebelius is a tie between Debbie Wasserman Schultz, Eric withHolder, Maxine Waters, Charlie Rangle and Hank Johnson…. They all hold water for Nobama and have a total aggregate IQ of room temperature on a cold day with the window open….and note; they are all democons and libertards….

  11. Good job exposing this but Renee Ellmers, from the impression I read up about her is a RINO Boehner puppet diva who’s voted for all of the leadership’s spending and felt entitled to get her salary during the shutdown.

  12. Tony,
    Unfortunately I am a very loyal Tea Party supporter as Big Govt is unconstitutional and Founding Fathers est America where States were more powerful than Federal govt! Now states send DC money due to Career Politicians who are more wealthy than when arrived in DC! 34 states refused to est Federal Healthcare Exchanges due to states are bound by constitution of state to balance budget and know ACA will bankrupt them eventually! Federal mandates w/o any funds are a favorite of DC as NV Dem Senator Reid stated & believes “Americans will pay more taxes”. Bullshit! Did you write your state congressmen telling them to Vote Nea on you paying the non elected workers in DC from getting ACA subsidies you probably don’t qualify?! I damn sure did! I email mine regularly so they get my pov and vote more my way than not!

    1. Well Twinky019, I’m unsure as to why you think it’s unfortunate that you’re active in advocating what you believe in. Personally, I think that’s one really fine thing about this country; that we’re allowed to do that. What upsets me is when people, after finding they’re in the minority of voters, insist that it’s unfair that they lost because THEY’RE the only true Americans. I advocate for better education for the electorate so that we all can make informed choices. I urge you to continue to make your voice known, but also to read a broad spectrum of news sources, and not just those that echo your own thoughts. Clearly I do that, or I wouldn’t have found myself on this page to begin with. Thanks for your comment.

      1. Tony, I read tons! I’m very aware of the Global Economy and our once great status being reduced due to ignorance.

        Education is great but because you lead a horse to water does not guarantee horse will drink! Issue with current population. Entitlement oriented without common sense!

      2. Tony, I hope you respect that just because someone is in the minority does not mean their individual liberties can be put aside. This was a fundamental concept in the founding of modern democracies, including ours.

  13. Ever notice how Obama hides behind the women in his administration, allowing them
    to take the fall for his own incompetence and failures? Hillary, Susan
    Rice, Sibelius … using women as a shield like a coward and a wimp.

      1. The Obama administration is a war on men. This drivel about there being any war on women at all is just a red herring. IF there’s a war against either gender it’s clearly being waged against men.

        The Obama administration has removed due process rights from male university students (I’m amazed that it hasn’t been struck down entirely…oh , Google “Dear Colleague Letter” if you don’t know what I’m talking about)

        The healthcare bill pretty much completely ignores men entirely. There are only two provisions dedicated to men (over a hundred for women) and of those two , both are related to how women may be affected by men.

        Education money has been spent further trying to induce women to enter STEM fields despite the fact that females are outperforming males in virtually every facet of education and make up nearly %60 of the student body on college campuses anyway.

        Really , the list goes on. I wouldn’t lay the blame on the Obama administration necessarily because it all started long before he took office anyway but IF there’s any sort of war , it’s clearly not being waged against women.

        1. While what you say is accurate, it doesn’t mean the Liberals aren’t fighting in multiple fronts. The biggest war waged by Liberals is their War on Children. 1) Burden them with debt. 2) Screw up their education. 3) Kill them before they are born, or in Obama’s case after.

    3. They’re accountable too for the administration’s crimes though. They’re no more victims than Eric the Red Holder.

  14. obamacare also is forcing insurers to cover sex-change operations…..do 85 year old men or women really need to pay for sex-change operations? Regardless of the stupid non-operable website, the insurance plans are ridiculous and Obamacare already has destroyed the relationships between many doctors and patients and insureds and their health care policies. This totally sucks.

  15. After which Senelius went home, put on some Tchaikovsky, poured a glass of Laphroaig 18 and forgot all about it.

  16. The BEST REVENGE is to give the majority of US Congress a Pink Slip in 2014 & 2016!

    Apathetic voters have selves to blame. The US House of Reps and US Senate are full of nothing but CAREER POLITICIANS whose representation is for DC Benies and Wealth they DID NOT ARRIVE WITH when first sent to DC. Show this small group of greedy self serving bureaucrats that THEY WORK FOR AMERICANS WHO ELECTED THEM & PAY THEIR SALARIES UNTIL 2013 when Americans realized NOT ONE ELECTED CONGRESS REP BOTHERED TO TELL THEIR CONSTITUENTS WHAT WAS IN THAT BILL THOSE 535 Elected self serving fat cats voted for or against, basically an act of DERELICTION OF DUTY TO THEIR MASTERS, American Constituent! Rock the Vote & FIRE THEM ALL!

    1. I agree that all Americans should vote for candidates who support their beliefs. Luckily, it seems that the majority of Americans these days realize that the sort of small minded bigotry that many of the posters here display should be a thing of the past. With luck and hard work, we can turn most of the tea party types out in 2014 and get back to having a congress that actually accomplishes something.

        1. My heroes….hmm…in Washington, about my only hero is Bernie Sanders. I think most politicians are only interested in lining their own pockets and getting laid by interns…on both sides of the aisle. And yes, I definitely include the tea party types in this. If you sincerely think that impeachment is going to happen, you don’t have a very firm grasp on reality, however.

      2. Yeah einstein, your party is doing a fine job of making the rich richer and the poor poorer, all while destroying the middle class. You’re just too stupid to see it. Great job libidiots!

        1. Twmon9816 (interesting how many people on here hide behind aliases), what party is that? I’m not a Democrat, I’m an independent. I totally deplore the gutting of the US middle class. People who buy the right wing agenda of further enriching the wealthiest among us in the forlorn hope that somehow a tiny trickle will reach them are enabling the demise of the middle class. Do you seriously think, for example, that raising the highest marginal income tax rate to a point still WAY below where it was during the time of our greatest economic growth would damage the middle class? Please explain if you do….I consider myself lucky enough to be in the middle class. I certainly don’t make $450,000 a year, which is that amount below which no increase in marginal rates is implemented. Have you noticed the high percentage of commentators on this and other such sites that have a very poor grasp of grammar, spelling, etc? The people who buy the arguments expounded by Limbaugh, Beck, et al tend to be poor and undereducated. There are of course exceptions, but without somehow convincing those stuck in poverty and ignorance that they’re somehow being cheated, the tea party would be no political force whatsoever….which might well be where they’re headed anyway, after the shutdown debacle.

  20. That’s what we need. Some GOP with a kick ass attitude instead of these wimps like Boehner, mccain and all the rest.

  21. SeemescrooUS, Holdem, Hitlery…et al…what will come of all this? Same old drill but no consequences, no changes, no conclusions even. It’s like some sort of sick parody: just lather, rinse, repeat. I want to see some legal action, heads rolling.

  22. Despite their utter incompetence and selfish partisanship the one thing liberals have mastered is the art of smug superiority as if they are geniuses who know what they are doing and know what’s best for everyone.

    It’s the Emperor Has No Clothes scenario and too many Americans have been falling for it. Rep. Ellmers does a great job of revealing the naked truth. We need more of that!

  23. Sibelius is such a stooge she is an idiot and couldn’t run an ice-cream truck except into the ground.

  24. The maternity coverage the 30 yr old single male is being forced to pay for is to cover the bill for some welfare cheating baby momma with 12 kids and no idea who the fathers re ..that’s the entire point of this ACA scheme…working young middle class gets to pay for barrys chosen people to continue being irresponsible idiots.

    1. I’m not 30, I’m not a single male. I am a woman well past child bearing years (in my 60’s), unable to have a baby IF I wanted another one and am being forced to pay for maternity coverage, newborn coverage as well as PEDIATRIC dental and vision. It isn’t just the 30yr old guy who is paying for this disaster.

    2. Bigot call! You’ve got 39 people on this forum who think that “jtak101” is clever for his idiotic racist remarks. Oh, I bet that now I’m “playing the race card”, because someone defining a group as “barrys chosen people” of course has NOTHING to do with race. Are you truly ignorant enough to not realize, regardless of your bias, that we are paying medical bills for the indigent already, and that those bills are far higher than they would be with a sensible single payer insurance system?

      1. It’s only “racist” to skin-color-obsessed leftists. barack’s “chosen people” happens to include a lot of extremely wealthy whites.

      2. Dear pitty party Tony…….You’re pathetic….I never mentioned race in my reply..barrys chosen people are welfare cheats of every color….race was never mentioned but you quickly drew your own conclusion…..as they say…if the show fits, wear it!! BTW I have 41 likes now..what’s your score???

  25. Nice job Rep Ellmers. Nice job taking apart Creuella Sebelius. Does anyone else notice most conservative woman are attractive? Liberal woman have hips like Hillary. Another reason to be a conservative.

    1. That’s perhaps one of the most moronic statements I’ve ever heard. Did you ever notice that most conservative guys are idiots?

        1. If you took the time (assuming you’re able) to read and understand my original post you wouldn’t need to ask that question.

      5. How about addressing the issue? Let’s hear your well reasoned, truthful answer to the fact that people are being FORCED (that’s code for tyranny) to pay for services they will never use?
        Can you defend this travesty?

        1. If you had read what I posted before, you’d perhaps understand what I’m talking about, perhaps not. We pay taxes in this country (as in all countries). One can argue that we are FORCED to do so…it’s part of what being in a society entails. In most first world societies (all of western Europe, for example) providing health insurance is part of the government’s duty. Those countries provide BETTER health results than we do, and the cost is far less per capita. If you don’t believe me, go look at the World Health Organization statistics. Of course, if you believe that anything with the word “World” in it is a communist plot, there’s really no point in talking to you. If you really want to continue having worse health care results than 36 other countries, at a much greater cost, I’d love for you to explain why.

          1. Please explain why the leaders in those countries you are citing use our medical(former) system when they need surgeries? Oh yea, that because capitalism provides nearly the best opportunity for getting what you pay for. If you want this [email protected] then move to France.

            1. Interesting that you should mention France. They, as I recall, have the BEST record of medical outcomes according to the WHO…that’s the same list where the US falls right in between Costa Rica and Slovenia.

                1. You guys are the ones who sound dissatisfied, no? This whole page is full of people whining about how terrible it is here. Perhaps YOU should leave. It would make more sense to stay here and make your voice known, however. The fact of the matter is that the president won a second term. I have plenty of issues with his presidency (NSA spying, drone killings, continued imprisonment without trial). If you want to raise those issues, I’m right there with you. If you would rather continue to parrot talking points designed by the Kochs and their poisonous ilk, we’re not going to find much common ground.

                1. Sickandtired, I very much like living in this country, and am happy to pay my taxes and exercise my duties and rights as a citizen. If you dislike our government so much, you are of course free to leave.

          2. We’re NOT the rest of the “world”. We are America, we have FEEDOMS guaranteed by the Constitution. NO where in the Constitution does it give government the duty to provide health insurance.
            The greatest reason the “rest of the world” enjoys “better” health period is BECAUSE of the free market system in AMERICA that has created incentives to procure cures and medications and medical devices, etc.
            The waste of time is having a conversation with someone who believes this country is some kind of backwards nation.
            You don’t understand how good you have it, and won’t be satisfied until there is no place on earth left to enjoy freedoms and prosperity.
            People that think like you do use to be not much more then a nuisance, now you’re down right dangerous to freedom loving people everywhere.
            Perhaps YOU will put YOUR money where YOUR mouth is instead of making ME put MY money where YOUR mouth is and pay the extra 250.00 MORE per month I will be paying in Jan to cover things I will NEVER use.

      6. Actually I’ve noticed the Left are the morons as they consistently ignore facts, reason and logic imposing their failed radical egalitarian policies on the people. Churchill said it best calling out the left, progressives, socialists and liberals out back in 1948.
        “Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.”

        1. I am fairly conservative in many ways; certainly more so than those who would reshape our society by dismantling the federal government.

      8. Hmmm..they believe in limited government, accountability, fiscal responsibility, balanced bugets, the Constitution, indvidualism, and what the Fore-Fathers envisioned this country to become. Yeah…that is SO idiotic…..stereotype much, Tony?

        1. Sickandtired, obviously I was trying to make a point…that classifying those with ANY belief system is foolish. I don’t for a second believe that all those whose beliefs differ from mine are stupid. I also don’t find any actual connection between traditional conservatism and the tea party “no central government is the best solution” types. If, in the midst of an apparently serious discussion, someone were to say “I don’t believe anything conservatives say because they’re mostly fat”, wouldn’t you think that was a particularly stupid and inappropriate comment? THAT is what I was responding to.

  27. ALL single male should file lawsuits against the federal government for forcing them to buy something that they don’t want and don’t need.

  28. LoL..The laugh at the end was the best!….haha…I’m a single male…Why the hell do I need maternity coverage ???….This makes NO sense…but then again ..This Administration never made any sense….smh…

  29. Naturally,
    if ACA doesn’t make a discrimination between males and females, then
    the blanket description would include pregnancy coverage. What point is
    she trying to make, exactly? The part of tax that I’ve always been most
    positive about paying has been
    that which goes to education. I fervently wish that share were a
    greater percentage of our budget. I have no children; never have, never
    will. I care about children despite that. Health coverage for all
    citizens is much the same idea. Some people will undoubtedly end up more
    out of pocket (certainly the ones who had no insurance at all
    previously). If the end result is that citizens don’t end up getting
    bankrupted by medical charges, then it’s a positive thing as far as I’m
    concerned. I already have a comprehensive medical policy, in fact, it’s
    by far the largest bill I pay each month. I’d love it if there were a
    single payer health system put in place here…I’d end up getting the
    same coverage for a small fraction of what I’m currently paying. More
    important to me would be there would be no more families destroyed by
    grotesquely large medical bills. The new law seems to be only a minor
    improvement on our previous situation, due to the USA’s irrational fear
    of the word socialism getting in the way of a truly comprehensive
    measure being implemented.

    1. What you just described is socialism and has no place in this country. If that’s what you want, move to a country where that is how things are.

      1. Learn your history, PatriotGranny. For about 20 years until WWI, there was a very active Socialist Party in the US. Eugene Debs, their candidate for president got 6% of the vote. Fighting Bob LaFollette, on the Progressive party ticket, was elected governor of Wisconsin and won 17% of the presidential vote with policies very similar to Debs. The vilification of socialism in our country didn’t really start until Atty. General Palmer and that paragon, J. Edgar Hoover, started spreading fear and hatred about 1920. Now, the US is NOT going to adopt a socialist form of government. However, programs like social security and medicare ARE socialist, and are widely viewed as being beneficial to the populace as a whole. I have no problem with people disagreeing with what I say, but i have disdain for those who do it from ignorance.

        1. You disdain yourself, then. Socialism has no place here. That doesn’t mean there aren’t totalitarian fools trying forever to bring one into existence.

          1. Well, Mr. K-Bob moderator, if you think socialism has no place in the US, I trust you will not collect social security or apply for medicare. Stay true to your beliefs!

            1. Those programs were fully funded by the people in them. That isn’t socialism. Your big-government heroes raided the funds and spent it to get re-elected. That’s oligarchy.

              You have demonstrated a very poor understanding of economics. Which is par for the course for the left.

              2. Do a bit more research, K-Bob. Social Security has never been a separate fund. Moneys paid by taxpayers for SSI go into the general fund. As to Medicare, there is no special funding mechanism for it at all. It’s paid for out of income taxes, and is available to all over 65 regardless of whether they’ve ever held a job….if that isn’t socialism, what is? Of course I have a poor understanding of economics. EVERYONE has a poor understanding of economics. If you assert anything else, you’re deluding yourself.

                1. We do our research here. That’s one thing you’d better learn about this site. I was referring CLEARLY to the way it was established. If you had read about it, you’d know this.

                  Your heroes, the big-spending, big-taxing progressives decided to raid the funds. That’s not socialism, it’s theft.

                  Economics is not a difficult subject. Leftists just don’t get math. They always think there’s plenty of money, no matter how much they spend. That’s why none of them understand economics, and it’s why the economy is so messed up right now.

            2. I disagree with Social Security, and yet I am automatically enrolled. They take my money with the promise that I will get it back when I retire. Why would i not collect my money when they give it back to me?!

        2. Yep. Your history is almost correct. See the reality is North America and Western Civilization knew socialism long before we ever called it that.

          The world has always had it’s parasites.

          1. Why yes, many native American tribes practiced what you would likely call socialism. It certainly had nothing to do with being parasites, however.

            1. Yeah and they also practiced cannibalism and human sacrifice. They shared that meat with the tribe so it was either socialism or just plain generosity for that parasite to share with his fellow parasites. That must be your kind of socialism if you are going to advocate it. And in actuality that is a near perfect example of parasite. You could ask the one that was eaten except they were digested.

              And it appears with your examples that socialism didn’t work out too good for them. Not in the short term minute sense nor the long term sense either.

              Advocating tribalism to deflect from your socialism is pure stupidity.

    2. A single payer system in the US would just be a huge money sink. Sure, basic care would be “covered”, but care quality would decrease and for anything but the most basic treatment there would be rationing and a definite setback in the pace of advancement.

      Look at the NHS in Britain. It’s horrible. People are dying over there for no good reason, they wait for months for basic surgical procedures, and when it comes to advanced treatments they’re denied treatment.

      The main problems we do have with healthcare in the US are caused by artificial restrictions on competitions enforced by state firewalls, very poor visibility in costs and pricing thanks to tax laws that create extra middlemen layers (employers and insurance companies), perverse incentives to over-treat patients due to those extra layers as well as a dire need for tort reform.

      1. Trytothink, pretty much EVERY first world country except the US has a single payer health system. No argument from me that tort abuses play a part in the immense cost of our health care, but changing that alone isn’t going to fix things. The World Health Organization ranks the US as 37th in quality of health care provided, despite the fact that we’re easily in first place in dollars spent on it. I know plenty of people in the UK who are perfectly happy with their NHS care, though it’s not near the top of the list itself. SIngle payer would eliminate the very problems you speak of with employers and insurance companies by creating a uniform system that avoids involving either of them.

        1. Well since the WHO’s main criteria for judging health care systems is whether or not they’re single payer, then it’s not a very useful ranking. Not only that, but they rely on a lot of self-reporting metrics that are like comparing apples to oranges. Really, the WHO is just another UN useless piece of crap that is happy to push some phony metric that attempts to put the USA in a bad light.

          The US’s healthcare is unarguably the best in the world when it comes to the sophistication of treatments, the number of treatment breakthroughs that originate here, the medications that originate here, the outcome for deadly diseases like cancer. Hell, much of the rest of the Western world’s success in healthcare are due to copying techniques that were pioneered in the USA. Without our system, theirs would be much worse. Without our push to decode the human genome, exactly when would the rest of the world have gotten that done?

          In my post, I mentioned a lot more than just tort reform. Economists and healthcare experts were talking a lot more than just about tort reform when that Obamacare mess was being rammed through congress. It’s a damned shame none of those good ideas were put into the law that Pelosi famously forced passage of so anyone could get a chance to read it.

          1. Do you actually believe that members of congress reads the text of all the bills they vote on? Criticizing WHO because they’re not US based is the sort of hubris filled nonsense that is turning us into a second class country. USA has been at the forefront of many medical advances. Our implementation of such treatments leaves much to be desired, however
            . As I mention below, our life expectancy is considerably less than over 30 other countries. Whether you choose to believe the figures or not, they’re facts.

        2. US records all deaths as due to some cause or other. Most countries don’t do that, nor do they include all infant death as mortality. They throw them into the non-data buckets of age-related or non-viable. Thus the healtcare services are protected from their failures.

          US healthcare was still the best in the world until the statists started ruining it. Single-payer means worst-case on outcomes. That’s why people came here for healthcare, and not the other way around.

          “I know plenty of people who are” happy with jihadists, too. The reality is, life expectancy rates go down under single payer. The only reason you don’t hear about it is because the media won’t report it, and the statistics are sanitized to treat all deaths over 60 as “old age.”

          These are some of the major reasons most people do not want Obamacare.

          1. Check out Wikipedia on Life Expectancy by Country. The US is 33rd on their list, despite having among the highest standards of living. Rich people come to the US for elective surgery because there are plenty of doctors who operate on you tomorrow for your tummy tuck if you give them enough money. That really has nothing to do with health care.

            1. Once again you posit BS. ##rd on a list of what kind of lifestyles??? I doubt sincerely that people in Nairobi die form boating accidents off of their yachts or from speeding down freeways on their rice burners.

              As to the tummy tuck BS…actually more people go to France for that. It’s cheaper. Even a lot of Americans do. I know more than few that go to Mexico for their plastic surgery. However those that need their fetus operated on in the womb or that far reaching cancer treatment and surgery come here. Ask the Canucks.

              Explain to me the decades of doctors traveling the world from this country giving their services away for free if life is so much better abroad. Yeah that is anecdotal but you seem to like that. You live in that hunky dory multiculturalism lie.

              1. What on earth are you talking about, Laurel? It’s certainly true that American (and other) doctors have selflessly donated their time in third world countries, what does that have to do with my stating that, among FIRST world countries, we’re way down on the list in terms of both life expectancy and health results from medical care. That doesn’t discount that the US IS at the forefront of many new surgical techniques. Of course, many of those techniques are designed to prolong a sort of half life, in that here in the US doctors view death as something to always fight against. We in this country are completely terrified by the idea of death. When someone dies, their body is whisked away as though the condition is catching. The interesting thing, to me, is that all of this HASN’T resulted in us living longer. Our life expectancy IS longer than in Kenya, despite their lack of yachts. However, it’s below that of Japan, Switzerland, San Marino, Italy, Singapore, Iceland, Andorra, Australia, Spain, Qatar, Israel, Monaco, France, Sweden, Canada, Luxembourg, Cyprus, Norway, New Zealand, Netherlands, Austria, Greece, Ireland, South Korea, Finland, Germany, the UK, Belgium, Malta, Slovenia, Portugal, Kuwait, Denmark, Chile, Costa Rica and Bahrain. This list includes countries with both higher and lower incomes than the US, but none where more money is wasted in the health industry. Perhaps that’s somehow okay with you. I personally can’t see any reason why the nation that spends far more than any other on health care leaves us neither healthier nor longer lived than it does.

                1. Apparently you don’t know what it is that YOU are talking about. Have you ever compiled a study? Even in a high school or college class?

                  I don’t think you have or you wouldn’t be quite so duped. The study you cite is useful for some measurement of society but it doesn’t give us an overall measurement because it leaves out culture, wealth, lifestyle and the effect of those on society at large.

                  And who are you to deem what is wasteful? Yeah I’m okay with waste so long as someone isn’t wasting my things. Here is a reality check. You don’t know what constitutes waste in the medicine. You may think you know but in reality you don’t. You are blathering repeating talking points with little knowledge or understanding of what you are repeating. We have freedom in this country and that also has an exponential effect on medicine due to freedom to make choices including bad choices. It appears the rest of the world for the time being wants that same freedom to make those same bad choices….gee who would of thought that ever could happen???!!!

                  Now if you want to give up your freedom in the name of health care security like a scared little trembling rabbit…then be my guest. I’m sure you can find somewhere in this world to accommodate you. what you don’t have the right to do is force your idea of Utopia on the rest of us especially when you put up out of context misapplied bogus evidence.

                  Quality of life counts. And no one ever said that quality of life doesn’t come with a cost.

                2. Laurel, what I have the right to do, as does every citizen, is to speak my mind and vote as I see fit. If the voters of this country decide they dislike the ACA, it is within their power to elect a congress that will amend or repeal it. If you believe it is NOT my right to make my views known and to vote my conscience, you’re the one who’s un-American. As to studies, they can be manipulated to some degree by those compiling statistics. However, a thorough study such as those by WHO is a lot more believable to me than you saying that a friend of your great uncle who lives in Canada once had to wait six months for a hip replacement, and therefore single payer is BAD. So, I have no ability to “force your idea of Utopia on the rest of us”. The voters of this country do have that ability. I urge you to vote your beliefs AND to accept it when and if you find that you’re in the minority. It’s called the American way.

                3. You have the right to vote with your feet as well. But you don’t. You force your world view on everyone else. You are monolithic at best when you seek to remake a country, remake a world in your own warped image. You fool no one as you try to hide your Utopian ideals sprinkled with a little totalitarianism behind ‘voting’. Yeah mobs vote to hang people all of the time. Who do you think you are conning? The American Way is not mob rule let alone twisting, contorting, spinning, and finally setting on fire the Constitution and Bill of Rights. My favorite though is when the left invents ‘rights’ out of whole cloth and some mysterious constitution. Gives new meaning to pulling a rabbit out of a hat. I also like when you guys scream for the Constitution then out of the other side of your mouth say it’s outdated document. Do tell us where it is written down what precisely the ‘American Way’ is and how it fits with your definition of what the ‘American Way’ is? We will wait with baited breath your bs…er…essay.

                  Sorry but your WHO numbers are not accurate and not even applicable to what you are trying to sell. Repeating over and over again that they are changes nothing about the numbers themselves to make them more acceptable. Next time put up a study that you understand and don’t just vomit leftist talking points. As I said that study only examines the surface of life. It is made with all things being equal…and the problem is all things aren’t equal….not even close.

                  And another thing. Grow up your thought processes. Only children say but “little Johnny gets to do it!” which is what your excuses amount to and the purpose of your putting up WHO stats. I don’t really care what the rest of the world does. A large portion of the world practices Sharia and Islam too. Are you going to go along with that? If you want socialized medicine then prove how and why it is good and beneficial and an overall boon to America. Please prove that we can not only afford it and but that we can also suspend the laws of human nature in the process. Convince me that it won’t be another unfunded entitlement program that will never ever see bottom especially when we abort our tax base necessary to it’s succeeding.

                  When you get done digesting that tell me why leaders from your list of countries come here to get health care if their health care in their prospective countries is just so much more superior.

                4. I’ve been trying to engage in an actual conversation with you, but you’re clearly not interested in facts, particularly when they conflict with your limited world view. I’m not wasting further time dealing with your closed mind. I’ll leave you with this thought: If you determine that any vote that doesn’t go your way is mob rule, YOU are completely un-American. You are the totalitarian one….your way or the highway. You can continue to hide here with the other folks patting each other on the back and crying because nobody understands you. Meanwhile, the rest of us are going to try and build a better country.

                5. No you came onto this site to be snarky and over the top ridiculous. You look down on the opposing side of the aisle because you think you are better than the opposite side. Now you feign that you are hurt and indignant. You claim I am closed minded because I disagreed with you but you can’t counter it in reality so you played your back up go to label card. That was quite the arrested development tantrum you posited.

                  Sorry pal but in reality you got spanked. There is nothing you have posted that I haven’t heard for 10 years at least. You also got punk’d and your agenda busted. You no more understand what you are posting let alone the fallout from what you are posting than some obscure tribe in Papua New Guinea. That is why you can’t answer even a basic question in regards to your stats or any question really.

                  Stomping your widdle feet and calling me un-American is not only laughable but downright hilarious. YOU want to build a better country? YOU?! You are an arrogant jerk that thinks because it is what you think and what you want that it has to be good and everyone has to go along with it or they are…and I quote…”close minded and un-American!” I wonder if they make a house big enough for that ego of yours.

                  Here are the facts…you can’t answer any of the scenarios and questions I posted and you came to this site presuming that everyone here is ‘uneducated’ just by virtue of their political affiliation. Well stupid, and yes I am calling you stupid, you deserve that swift kick for making those assumptions. This conservative is educated and continues her education daily. Unlike you I never ever would have the hubris to think I know it all. You can bluster all you want but you fool no one. You aren’t building a better America. You are strong arming Americans to agree with you and when that doesn’t work you use misdirection to try and complete that task. How very Alinsky of you.

                  Oh and I don’t back pat or cry. Leave it to a stupid dumb progressive to emote feelings rather than logic.

                  Now tell me Tony…how does this fit into your Utopian mob rule scenario? Can you understand and explain the effect of this: http://health.usnews.com/health-news/hospital-of-tomorrow/articles/2013/10/30/top-hospitals-opt-out-of-obamacare

                  Somehow I doubt you can explain any of it but you will be sure and come back and have another fit I about it I am sure.

                6. Perhaps you didn’t read what I posted before. I’m not opting out of the conversation because I got “spanked”, but because you haven’t actually responded to any facts I’ve cited. If all you’re going to do is dismiss anything that disagrees with your preconceptions, this is not a discussion, it’s just a diatribe from you. Sorry, but not interested in your little tantrums. buh-bye!

                7. I see you still lack comprehension and denial is a river in Egypt for you.

                  You cited no relevant facts. That’s the point precisely and you know it hence the over the top hissy fit you had to cover for the fact you couldn’t answer a question or counter a single thing. SPANKED. SPANKED. AND SPANKED AGAIN TONY! I can only conclude that you like it.

                  You do realize you sound silly right? I hope you learned at least that much and I guess I was right about the link I posted as well. You cannot grasp it either.

                  I think you should dress up as Forrest Gump for Halloween since you run so well.

                  MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! RUN FORREST RUN!

                8. You are supporting those who have clearly damaged this nation, and it’s getting worseby almost every measure. Don’t lie about “building a better country.”

                  We’re going to kick you folks out of power, one way or the other. If you don’t like it, tough. Go screw up some other country.

                9. Okay, I was totally done with answering this drivel, but this piqued my interest. First of all I’m not one of the “folks” in power. There are very few elected officials in Washington that I can endorse. More importantly, I’d love to hear about the kicking out of power “one way or another”. Surely you’re not suggesting something other than electoral politics? When I was a student, there were lots of baby Bolsheviks who were just CERTAIN that the revolution was just around the corner. You folks remind me of nothing so much as that crowd of deluded losers, thinking that the American people are going to rise up against the government THEY ELECTED. I don’t doubt there are some total nutcases out there who will load up their AK-47s, or whatever is the favorite toy of the moment and shoot some poor schlubs in uniforms before they themselves are blown away. And the “tyranny” they fight? That would be democracy, which apparently they can’t stomach. This will be my last dispatch here, I’m thoroughly sick of you.

                10. Go back to your totalitarian, skin-color-obsessed pals. Your sickness comes from hanging out with them. You failed to spread it here.

            2. You don’t seem interested in the fact that the US reports deaths that other countries don’t. Also, we have a MUCH more varied population than any other nation. Much more dynamism, more people taking risks. Those all impact the ratings.

              And people don’t come here just for tummy tucks. Typical leftist slander against people who need real procedures they can’t get in their broken, single-payer countries. You go down the list and outcomes are worse for all serious conditions in Britain, Canada, etc.

              Single payer is great for sprained ankles, broken arms, and high fever. It’s horrible if you have a real life-threatening condition and are not wealthy, connected, and in the right party.

              1. K-Bob, please show evidence to support your claims…just saying it doesn’t make it true. I kind of have to laugh about the “dynamism” of the American public. My guess is that the average US citizen limits their risk taking to eating too much junk food. The total of accidental non-automobile related deaths in the US is a pittance. You say “Single payer is great for sprained ankles, broken arms, and high fever.
                It’s horrible if you have a real life-threatening condition and are not
                wealthy, connected, and in the right party.” First of all, I personally know three families that went from middle class existence to utter bankruptcy because of a health crisis for which they were unable to purchase insurance. When such things occur, the residual medical bills get foisted on us, the taxpayers, and they’re FAR higher than the cost of treatment under government single payer plans. Second, do you SERIOUSLY contend that, in countries with single payer medical, a patient is asked their party affiliation??? This is utter nonsense.

                1. No, they aren’t “asked”. Why do leftists always invent things to argue against? If you want to argue your own made up discussion, the go do it by yourself.

                  Look: The left is all about the politics of pull. Those with the pull go to the front of the line. If you don’t know this, you are seriously deficient in your understanding of the world.

                  And go ahead and laugh at the dynamism. Typical of a leftist to deride the very multicultural society they claim to endorse. If you think we’re not the most diverse, dynamic culture on the planet, you must have some strange beliefs indeed.

                  You should study up on the catastrophic failures of your utopian, single-payer systems around the world. The stats are not in your favor.

                  I’ve been in British hospitals. They are like stepping back into the 1950’s. You like that crap, go move there. But don’t ever expect us to let you people tell us what we can and can’t do with our healthcare.

        3. Funny thing is I know plenty of people in both Canada and UK that aren’t happy with their health care.

          Do you have anymore anecdotal BS to posit here? Anymore rigged WHO numbers that you have already demonstrated you don’t understand?

          Single payer will never ever eliminate any of the problems nor has it in any country it is implemented because self interest is taken out of the human equation both on the part of the patient and the medical professionals.

          1. Laurel, it’s interesting how you call my citing actual scientific studies “anecdotal BS”, and yet you then say that YOU know people in Canada and the UK that dislike their system….to me, that sounds like anecdotal BS, no?

                1. Why? Off your meds? I said it was anecdotal in a post but along with your other shortcomings reading comprehension is one of them.

                  And like a child suffering from arrested development you feel the need to go through and down vote posts. Sorry but you down voting posts doesn’t help the stupidity that you blather one iota.

  30. Instead of televising these hearing, they should be caning the crap out of her in a back room. Let her feel the pain she is imposing on the American people.

  31. Was that wicked witch sebelius’s cackle at the end of the clip or was that some one in the audience laughing at her trying to defend maternity4men ?

      1. dude, I am nearly 60 and NOT tech savvy. so sorry that everyone cannot meet your standards. now, please get on a soapbox that will actually help accomplish something. may GOD be with you.

  33. AWESOME, finally the people are hearing politicians saying what we have been screaming this whole time…..TEAR ‘EM UP!!!!!!

  35. They forced us to buy insurance now they are forcing us to buy policies with benefits we cannot or will not ever use. It’s part of the raping of America especially the middle class who will be paying for all the people who cannot afford insurance. Moronic dictators.

    1. The 40% tax kicks in in 2018 and is fully dependent on the amount you pay for your insurance. No one in this Congress showcase has mentioned that.

      1. I don’t know what you’re talking about. I’ve never heard or seen that mentioned anywhere. What tax?

        1. “Although the tax does not start until 2018, employers say they have to start now to meet the deadline and they are doing whatever they can to bring down the cost of their plans. Under the law, an employer or health insurer offering a plan that costs more than $10,200 for an individual and $27,500 for a family would typically pay a 40 percent excise tax on the amount exceeding the threshold. ”

          http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/28/business/cadillac-tax-health-insurance.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

          I tried to call in to Levin’s show the other night when he mentioned the value of health insurance reported on the W-2. This is one of the reasons, to calculate this new tax. So you are taxed to not have insurance and taxed even more if you have good insurance.

          1. Ohhhhh, yeah. The question is “who” is going to be taxed. Your employer or you. 2018 is the first I heard of a date. I was assuming it would be within a couple years.

            I also assumed it was going to be a tax on every plan because it’s considered earnings.

            1. It’s you because you are benefitting.
              Insurance at least so far is not considered income but I do believe the Dems and the Repubs alike are looking at the potential tax revenues.

              1. The more money they take off the front end leaves less money for the consumer to spend anywhere else, which hurts the economy and the treasury.

                They are bound determined to grind our economy to a halt.

  39. I don’t know about a baby… but I am about to have a cow over the majority of our Reps playing ball as if they are in the grapefruit league. Good job Ms. Ellmers! You hit that hardball out of the park — or more like a line drive!

    1. The Reps haven’t read the law or the regulations so they only ask the little bit someone has told them to ask about.

  40. I’m claiming maternity!!! Every 9 months I’m taking 6 weeks off. They will pay me! I will get a lawyer and sue for my rights! If the federal government is forcing… FORCING me to buy something… Then I d$mn well gonna use it!!!!!!!!!!!

    3. Depending on the hospital a woman delivers in, she is entitled to some great amenities that are comparable to a hotel. Nice music, good meal, etc.
      You might want to insist that you get those niceties, since you’re paying for maternity anyhow.

  41. “You’re doin’ a heckofva job, Ms. Sillybus.”
    You don’t know anything, but “what difference does it make?” “Whatever….”

  43. This is good, but there are some immigration bils that could be coming to the floor soon. Votes matter more than verbosity.

    1. Great point. This is all for show while the amnesty critters collect from the lobbyists in DC this week to grease their amnesty palms.

    1. They’ve declared war on men.

      The donkey party are equal opportunity haters.

      Isn’t obamacare just wonderful !

  48. A few years back my husband lost his job and we refused to pay the $1200 a month for COBRA, what a joke that is, you’re unemployed and they expect you to cough up more for your premium than you pay for your house payment.

    Anyway, my point is that when I looked into private insurance we were given the OPTION of purchasing a policy with or without maternity care. Since I was already in the phase of change we chose a policy without maternity care. It was a CHOICE. No one forced us to purchase the extra policy. WE CHOSE what we felt was the best policy for our family.

    The lack of CHOICE is what is really WRONG with obamacare.

    2. COBRA is the employee share + the employer share. It shows how much your husband’s employer was paying for your husband’s insurance. COBRA allows your husband to maintain the insurance for 18 months if he paid for it. Some policies will then convert to individual after the 18 months are paid.

      1. The bottom line is if you’ve lost your job chances are you can’t afford insurance! If it is between paying the mortgage of putting food on the table who the heck would choose to pay for insurance. Cobra is not affordable for most people who lose their job.

        1. Not arguing whether someone can afford the insurance. It isn’t the Cobra, it is the cost of insurance. Insurance prices are driven by gov’t regulation, blood-thirsty lawyers and insurees’ behavior.

  50. And those of us, women, who are well beyond the age of becoming pregnant, We still have to carry the same coverage including maternity coverage. STUPID!

  51. Wow, and here I thought Sebelius as an M.D. would have know that men as yet are not capable of delivering a child as does a woman. It would seem that she either wasn’t and still isn’t a very good doctor or I took the wrong biology classes.

    Now had Sebelius stated that somewhere along the line men do contribute somewhat to the process of procreation as a defense for men purchasing maternity insurance, the entire episode wouldn’t have been so tragic and idiotic. Based on her comments, it can be stated that she really is a horse’s ass or real jackass as the case may be.

    1. She isn’t an MD. . . where did you hear that. She is a daughter of a politican from Ohio and was the governor of Kansas for two terms.

      1. I was under the impression she was an MD. I apologize for my error, and thank you for the brain slap. Kudos..

  52. Regarding pregnancy all afternoon I have been hearing that women will no longer pay more than men for health coverage.

    Do these people know that health insurance is a for profit business?

    If women pay more it is because they have more expenses than men and one big number one expense women have that men don’t is pregnancy.

    It is obvious that few in Government have ever been involved in the private sector.

        1. Nonprofit HMOs are governed by a HUGE set of tax and other regulations so no it is not spend all you receive. There are significant restrictions on spending etc. and a percentage of premiums that MUST be spent on claims.

  53. I have tears running down my cheeks from laughing so hard at the comment
    thread below! Just awesome! All of you should have been at that hearing.

  54. Sorry, I can’t be bothered with this right now…am knitting myself the cutest Tea Cozy evah!

    Anyway, me and the guys are gonna get together tonight to talk about our feelings over a rambunctious game of Euchre and Wine Coolers.

      1. Just whip out your pocket knife and do a C-Section on yourself man! I’m sending a babysitter over right now! Get over here! It’s your feelings I want to hear about the MOST!

    2. Dude, we SO need to get together sometime and have a makeover party! Doesn’t that sound like fun?? 😀
      I’ll got my monthly COSMOPOLITAN magazines all ready to go!

  55. The only man to deliver a baby to my knowledge is Adam who delivered Eve through he hand of G-D….Please tell Obama!!!

  56. Wait one cotton, pickin’ minute. Sebelius !!! There is no such thing as a family plan in your God danged exchanges. Every single individual MUST have a policy of their own or they are “Taxed.”
    Now I have a goal. I’m going to impregnate myself and have a baby. I want to be the first to have my own bastard. ROFLMAO

        1. Lady? You don’t need no Lady. According to Sebelius, we’re all Ladies now. Excuse me, gotta drop trow and check myself…

          …Uh, Ms Sebelius, you is wrong. Which rhymes with…

          “Hey-hey-hey Rs! You stop that this instant!!!”

          Yes, Ma’am 🙁

            1. Lol, my hubby said “if you want my eggs you get me too!” Cheeky Man! Mail order bride on the way Mike…..

              1. I like him. Buy him a case of beer then put yourself in a box and overnight yourself to me. All three of us will have a nice weekend, assuming you survive the mailing.
                ROFL

                1. Beer? The man gets beer? Mail order brides are going cheap now a days!
                  And let me thank-you for your ‘concern’ about my arriving in one piece…that just melted my heart…not!

                2. No, that doesn’t reflect your worth. Only my ability to fund the transfer. I have champaign taste but a mere beer budget. LOL Sadly, this is true.

                4. I’ve always thought quick on my feet. Probably why I’m still alive but flies in the face of being unwed. Cest la vie

                5. Btw, when I informed my dear husband that he will be left alone with our three and four year old, he said “keep the beer Mike, I changed my mind!” Hmmm yeah so have I on making an Apple Pie for dessert tonight! Indeed, I may send him to you and you both can be bachelors together!

  58. This chick is hot and smart. Kathleen Sebelius, not so much. I say we let all the hot people run this country. Obama is out. His ears make him look like Dumbo.

    1. hehe hahah, its funny. But I’m done with the one liners. Its time for us to be serious on all fronts.

  59. I heard guy being really rude with noises when she had finished. Kudos to her for pointing out the unfairness of Obamacare to single men/men who have no need of maternity coverage and are forced to pay for it under this monstrosity of a law.

    1. Sounds like a War on Men to me, making us pay extra for our own maternity coverage. Why are you punishing me for having a baby, Kathaleen? Get out of my scrotum! I mean, get out of my ovaries! I mean, wait, what do I have going on down there if I’m a man having a baby?

      2. Not just men but women too old to bear children and those who have had surgery to remove that functionality. Same with birth control pills and abortions.

    2. I will be 52 and had my tubes tied years ago, have no daughters who can get pregnant who would be on my policy and yet I still have to have maternity coverage. Why?

      1. If you were me you wouldn’t think it was cute. My contractions are three minutes apart and I haven’t signed up on Obamacare yet. What’s a guy to do?

        2. I know what you mean, all those guys at the Scrapbooking Club may be laughing at me now, but when I get home and turn on Family Guy, I’ll be the one laughing.

    3. Kind of interesting… Obamacare’s water just broke and that baby’s coming whether we like it or not. More than just birthing pains…

          1. That’s the least of my problems. I don’t even know who to send the paternity suit to. I guess to myself.

      2. Is Lamaze a covered procedure? Has it been reclassified to be a mental illness detection yet? LOL

            1. You’d better wear a full face helmet tonight sister! Otherwise, be prepared to be snatched baldheaded and scratched blind!!!

              This already ain’t the best time of month for me…and you knew that too…how could you 🙁

      3. Was that an Imperial or Metric Pipe Wrench….you can get ambidextrous ones in Canada….LMAO….

        Call 1.800.FIX ME ANYWAY…..

      1. AH, I-S-C, I tried that. They told me to try again at another time. They are now only handling potential Olympic athletes between the ages of 16 and 25 who are liberals with large inheritances.

        Older conservatives who have been around the block once or twice will just have to wait.

    9. The number was made very easy to remember
      –
      It is 1800 —— Where are my glasses?
      –
      Are eyeglasses covered?

    1. “Follow the chart” might as well say “follow the yellow brick road.” Both will take you to the same place.

      1. With one difference, in Oz it’s the man behind the curtain, in our WH it is the nonman, nonwoman Jarrett behind the curtain.

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