[FULL AUDIO] – Mike Lee debates defunding Obamacare with Karl Rove on Hannity Radio

When I first tuned into this earlier today, I thought ‘ugh…Karl Rove again!’ But it wasn’t just Karl Rove, it was also Mike Lee and they were debating the defunding of Obamacare. And it went for two full segments before they finally hand to end it.



Here’s some reaction from twitter:

Listen to the full debate below:

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CoraCampbellBrush
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CoraCampbellBrush

Senator Lee should not listen to Karl Rove. Politicians and the media need to stop giving Rove and anyone like him so much power. Allow politicians to do the job they were elected to do. There is a reason so many of Rove’s picks for politicians lost in the last election.

USMC 64-68
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USMC 64-68

ChuloDO 57thunderbird   If you can’t discern the tyranny inherent in a gov’t program that uses the power of government to force people into programs against their free will, there’s little to be said that would open your eyes. Similarly, if you can’t accurately assess a program that the gov’t has taken on itself in direct violation of the Constitution, there’s little to be said about your ignorance of our country’s controlling law, i.e. the Constitution. That you could call government overreach, and the acquisition of private industry by the government a good thing reveals that you don’t possess the spirit of liberty, but rather are in harmony with those “tentacles” that you deny. Your kind of “ignorance” is inexcusable because it leads to only one of two conclusions – neither of which is good.  One, you are either completely deceived because you don’t really know the principles of the rule of… Read more »

USMC 64-68
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ChuloDO USMC 64-68  
Interesting take you have on reality.  You found it amusing that, according to you, I’ve “turned against my own.”
Well, to me, it’s not amusing, but sad that you’ve turned against your own.  Your support of a Marxist program belies your birthright as a free American.  
How sad, that you’d work against the principles of our country’s founding and support something from the communist, socialist, totalitarian, cesspool of tyranny.

ChuloDO
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ChuloDO

USMC 64-68 It’s amusing to see you turn against your own.  It’s probably because of your reflexive tendency to hate on those who happen to differ in opinion from you.  In this case, Rove is just differing on strategy.  Both he and Lee are drumming up resistance here, and the increasing disapproval has been largely a self-fulfilling prophecy through unceasing baseless opposition. Reality is that it’s good for millions of people (many of them who have JOBS but can’t afford health care) to have access to insurance.  Pretty much every other first-world country doesn’t have a problem with such a concept Mike Lee (and Rove, for that matter) is drumming up opposition because it’s good for their careers–and for donations.  Fortunately enough people in Congress have prevented repeal because their are enough people in Congress who recognize that while the ACA has flaws, the result is generally good, despite what… Read more »

ChuloDO
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57thunderbird “Marxism”?   “Tentacles”?  Meh.  The Affordable Care Act has nothing to do with taking away liberty.  
It’s not unreasonable to expect people to have insurance anymore than it’s not unreasonable for drivers to have auto insurance.  The ACA preserves choice–in fact, it increases it because it establishes exchanges.  Most, if not all, people would be able to keep their own doctors / health care providers.

inhomeauctions
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inhomeauctions

Im tired of hearing Rino’s talk about the beating we took in the shutdown of the 90’s. We GAINED 3 seats in the senate & lost 4 in the house. That’s a normal turnover, actually a good election. The rino’s use it as an excuse every time they don’t want to represent the people. The TEA party sent 64 NEW house members to office in ONE election in 2010.

heiming
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heiming

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Orangeone
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Orangeone

bahamianhoosier Orangeone Rep Steve Stockman (R-TX) is working on something to make us all honorary members of the Committee so we are exempt too!

USMC 64-68
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USMC 64-68

57thunderbird  
You are exactly right, and especially so with this one.  Once fully implemented the tentacles of marxism will have a death grip on our liberty.  The State will be too powerful.  Armed revolution will be the ONLY solution.

kong1967
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USMC 64-68  It’s not about the establishment to me.  I usually don’t agree with them, but I’m not going to go against them when I happen to agree.
I’m willing to go along with defunding the bill because there is a chance the public will become outraged at Obama and the Democrats in the process (for shutting down government when Congress did not call for that).  That would boost our election prospects next year.  Do I think that will happen?  No, but there’s no guarantee that we will be able to pick up enough seats anyway.  I think we have a better chance of picking up enough seats if we don’t do this, but I don’t know that for sure.  If we don’t do this and we lose the elections, I will be mad at myself for not getting behind this.

bahamianhoosier
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Orangeone And I can’t believe Congress voted themselves out of it because they were going to lose aides!! Good God what about the rest of us stuck with this s**t sandwich?! How do I vote to take me out too?! (besides Nov)

onesilverfox
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onesilverfox

Do all the things Rove is talking about later, but defund while we have the chance.

onesilverfox
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onesilverfox

Rove is trying to use the scare tactics. If the house defunds and the SEnate adds it back, just keep defunding and they will finally have to pass it in the senate. They can not get away with tryingh to fund a program that is so disliked as this.

onesilverfox
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onesilverfox

Rove is a Rino. He is a typical Rockefeller republican. All he cares about is destroying the Tea party  no matter what. He is a mental case.

JohnCraven
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JohnCraven

Well, Ptyler25, if you are purposefully throwing elections than Rove has a 99% victory rate!
John Craven – New Orleans

JohnCraven
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JohnCraven

Let’s pray to God above that they do.  And since I’m a Catholic that will mean many novenas but our nation is worth praying for a lot.
John Craven – New Orleans

JohnCraven
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steveangll77, you are correct.  Thanks for un-rewriting Rove’s history. Tonight, on Mark Levin’s radio show, he began with a wonderful rant and ripped the Republicans and their consultants like Rove a new one about how we could easily lose the House in 2014 given the way that the GOP with the advice and consent of Rove and his like has run away from its base again and again.  What Levin doesn’t point out is that you can’t keep losing time and time and time again like the GOP does when it abandons its base unless you are actually trying to lose, unless you are purposefully throwing the fight, which is what they did with McShame and Romney.  They have to be getting paid off in one way or another to keep throwing elections the way they do. And whenever Levin and Hannity and Rush say we can’t go third party because… Read more »

JohnCraven
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JohnCraven

Ditto!
John Craven – New Orleans

USMC 64-68
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USMC 64-68

kong1967  
My impression was that Rove defended the republican establishment and Lee defended our rights through defending the Constitution.

57thunderbird
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57thunderbird

No federal program,once fully implemented has ever,and I mean ever been repealed.It is now or never!

kong1967
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kong1967

That was a fantastic debate.  I loved it. I’d hate to disappoint my friends here, but I agree with Rove.  I will join you in trying to defund the bill, though, because either way is a crapshoot.  Mike Lee says some things that are just plain wrong.  He says that if you don’t agree with the tactic of defunding the bill now, then you’re not willing to fight and you’re willing to accept it.  That’s hogwash.  Using a different strategy is not capitulation. Then he said we got Obamacare by caving.  No, we didn’t.  We got Obamacare because Reid nuked the process and passed it with 51 votes.  No one caved on our side. Lee also insinuated that the people that don’t like this strategy are somehow responsible for all the times Republicans caved on issues.  Lol, no.  First of all, not wanting to use this strategy is not caving.  It… Read more »

Orangeone
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Orangeone

JohnCraven Thank you.  Maybe, just maybe someone like Mike Lee, Ted Cruz, Steve Stockman, Steve King will read our posts and pick up the ideas we all post here.

steveangll77
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LouisLaGuardiaIII Rove completely rewrote history on this.
1) Clinton was forced to sign Welfare Reform because of this fight so seems to me the Republicans won.
2) The Republicans undid Newt.  Republicans lead by people exactly like Rove.  Republicans like rRove detest the American people who constantly prefer to elect conservatives like Mike Lee and vote out Republicans Rove champions.
3) The Republicans then spent like crazy and completely lost the faith of the American people by running on conservative principals (Contract with America) then completely abandoning them a year on.  Spending is why we lost the Presidency and many other elections.  Newt’s message won Big Time.  Roves lost Big Time and still loses every single time it is tried.

Laurel
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Laurel

Orangeone Laurel A YEP!  Keep it up!

Longiron
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Longiron

3rd PARTY only way the conservatives will get the POTUS. Need opposition party and have none. Only hope is Ted Cruz and the RINO /GOP/DEMS will fix the primary like they did for MIttens in the inner cities to get a RINO the nomination for BUSH, KREAM , Ryan or some other RINO only to LOSE to Hillary. Only one who can beat Hillary is CRUZ and they the RINO/GOP/DEMS will do everything to keep him out including violence of some kind to him or his family. SP did not run in 2012 and 50 tears from now we will find out the real reason.

USMC 64-68
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USMC 64-68

Rove reveals himself to be what he is – a RINO who doesn’t have the stones to fight for what’s right.

DeepThought_42
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DeepThought_42

So, Karl wants to wait until we have a Republican president. That’s not going to happen for at least a dozen years. Hillary is a shoe-in for the next two terms since Rove and his elites won’t end their tyrannical hold on the GOP. I refuse to just let them yammer on about how defeated we are and never take any action at all. We demand action while the elites sit in smoke-filled rooms formulating their big plan for 2024. My votes are going to third-party candidates. I’m done with both major political parties.

Amjean
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Amjean

I read a great article yesterday at American Thinker (.com) written by Todd Keister called, “Rule of the Republicrats” which pretty much explains what is going on with our political craziness, in particular, the role that repubs play in the grand scheme of things.  Bottom line:  As I have suspected for a few years, there is little difference between the agenda of dems and repubs; the only thing they really fight about is who will have the power to implement their grand schemes.
If you go to their blog, scroll down and on the left hand side will be a listing of August 12 articles.  I think this is a must read and would love to hear other posters comments.
I think it is critical for conservatives to read and know what is in this article.

fanosea55
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fanosea55

So, the only reason to pursue an issue in Congress, according to Rove, is if you have the assurance that it will be passed. Never mind what the people want. Should we continue to vote in representatives that don’t listen to “We the People”.

Ptyler25
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Ptyler25

And why do we have a Republican “strategists”, with a less than 1% victory rate?

Ptyler25
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Ptyler25

Bottom line is Rove and the RINO’s are looking out for #1 and Mike Lee’s concern is for the American people. What Rove fails to understand is that the Republican base is already fed up with them and this will be the final nail in their coffin. We will not vote for another republican just because they are not a democrat.

bfunk
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bfunk

Freempg Agreed. Rove was right about one thing, though. It will be a long fight either way.

EchoMike
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EchoMike

That was painful to listen to!
Karl is a schmuck.

Garym1
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Garym1

Charm4sure 
Oops ……. Bush 43.

12grace
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12grace

We must defund obamacare or millions of Americans will die.

SurfinCowboy
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SurfinCowboy

JohnCraven Nice!

JohnCraven
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JohnCraven

Orangeone, that is a great strategy and would work brilliantly and add to that the question of why would any American company hire any American citizens to work full time when, should amnesty pass, they can hire all the illegals they want and not have to provide them with ObamaCare.  Get the union bosses to admit to that too and I think you would have the death knell of both ObamaCare and Amnesty very quickly.
Will the Big Whigs in the GOP like Rove support that?  No.  They live to lose.  That’s all they dream about is how can we lose bigtime today.
John Craven – New Orleans

JohnCraven
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JohnCraven

SurfinCowboy, it’s really “Vichy French” Republicans.
John Craven – New Orleans

BS61
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BS61

Exactomundo Marketcomp!

BS61
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BS61

AvatarPNWShan I completely agree!  I quit listening to talk radio here in AZ because they were constant Immigration supporters.  Ugh!

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