Glenn Beck foolishly calls Geert Wilders a fascist – UPDATE: Is this a pattern at FNC?

Glenn Beck irritated me BIG TIME today because of what he said on his TV show.

Beck discussed the incoming economic collapse of Europe that will trickle down around the world and US.

However, he went to say, that when there is economic unrest, there will be the rise of the extreme left (communists) and extreme right (fascists). And who did he idiotically point to as a fascist? Geert Wilders.

“Fox News LLC has required me to take down the video of Glenn Beck calling Geert Wilders a fascist.”

A hero, a man who is risking life and limb to rescue the Netherlands and Europe from radical Islamization and communism taking grip of his country and continent. Everyday he has to wear a safety vest and hide his family and give them 24-hour security because he is willing to say the unpopular thing to protect and defend his nation.

Glenn Beck had Geert Wilders on his show twice. Once on Headline News:



And on Fox News:

He even called the man “brave”, “a hero.”

Think before you speak Glenn Beck. This was a blatant tag of “fascist” on Geert Wilders and it was foolish of Beck to do so. Shame on you Glenn. I hope you rescind your comment on Wilders and publicly apologize to him.

UPDATE: Looks like there is a pattern formulating in Fox News with smearing Geert Wilders. Thanks to fellow poster ANTHONY for pointing this out to me on Twitter and to David Swindle of NewsRealBlog.

It looks like Fox News is having a vicious pattern against Geert Wilders. Today on Fox News Special Report with Bret Baier, they smeared Wilders. They reported him as:

“A man who inspires fierce emotions.”

“Anger on the streets of London. The object of the demonstration was a recent visit by Far-Right Dutch politician Geert Wilders.”

“His Anti-Muslim rhetoric makes him a target of critics.”

“Wilders says Muslim head scarves should be banned, he’s branded the Muslim prophet Muhammed a pedophile and likened the Muslim Koran to Mein Kampf.”

All of these are lies as NewsRealBlog pointed it out. I recommend you read it.

Here is what Krauthammer, AB Stoddard, and Bill Kristol labeled Wilders:

Krauthammer said that Wilders was wrong about Islam — that the Dutch politician did not see a difference between Islam and Islamism. *Rolls eyes.* So those who follow “Islam” ignore passages of the Koran and those who follow “Islamism” actually do what the book tells them to do? Is that right, Charles? Just want to make sure I’m up to speed on the preferred Orwellianisms on the Politically Correct Right.

Stoddard’s comments — she said that Wilders saw no difference between terrorist Muslims and non-violent Muslims — indicate that it’s likely that her first exposure to Wilders was the segment. And Kristol? He dismissed Wilders as a “demagogue.”

Something weird and very wrong is happening to Fox News.

UPDATE II: Here are some people you should check out on their opinions of Beck and Fox News v. Geert Wilders:
Atlas Shrugs, The Other McCain, and Riehl World View

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Aaron Alghawi
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Aaron Alghawi

If you want the truth as to why FNC is now treating Islamists with kid gloves, you need to research and expose Islam's George Soros. Saudi Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal owns 5% of NewsCorp, FNC's parent company. He is buying his way into American media and higher education to promote Islamic apologia and lay the foundations for domestic jihad. He bought his way into Harvard, Georgetown Universities Muslim-Christian engagement center or something like that, and through NewsCorp he influences FNC, the Wall Street Journal, the NY Post and HarperCollins Publishing. He bought off Glenn Beck.

billwhit
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billwhit

I call it an Ideology instead of a Religion. If it has to be labeled a Religion then it is a Satan Worshiping religion. What kind of “god” would offer sex for murdering innocent people? Only Satan! Islam is a “religion” of Satan Worship! Allah is Satan! Mohammud heard the voice of Satan in the darkness of a cave. Satan loves darkness. My God, the God of Israel and Christians, is a God of Love, Light, and Laughter. The Islamic enity of Allah/Satan is one of Darkness, Death, and Destruction! Ever wonder why everywhere muslims live is a craphole? Because the love Satan!

billwhit
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billwhit

I have always been a fan of Beck and of Wilders. I missed the show in question and will have to check it out. If Beck did call Wilders a Facist, then Beck will have lost a lot of respect from me. Wilders is trying to save Holland and Europe from the Insanity of these Satan Worshiping Scum, the Muslims! He is one of the few men in Europe that actually have a set of Testicles, the rest, especially the politicians of the EU, are all Enuchs! They will sell their people out just for their political gain, just as the Pontus, Obama, will do to the American People, since he is also a Muslim Satan Worshiper!

rmm413
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rmm413

Mitch, what is your definition of fascist? Wilders wants to cut taxes, lessen the power of the EU over Dutch life, and return more power to the Dutch people. He's also one of the biggest supporters of Israel in Europe. It seems to me that this is the exact opposite of what true fascists support (centralized government under totalitarian leadership). In fact, it sounds to me a lot like what most Tea Party folks support. The “many aspects of Islam” that he has said that he wants to ban are: lack of rights for women, stoning of/violence against homosexuals, attacks on Jews, honor killings, and incitements to violence (i.e., jihad). If Dutch Muslims want to practice these particular things, why not go back to North Africa or the Middle East and do so there? These things are totally inimical to everything the Netherlands stands for. Why should the Dutch be… Read more »

rmm413
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rmm413

I suppose you would consider Charles Martel or any other European who fought and stopped the Muslim invasion of Europe at the Battle of Tours or the Battle of Vienna a fascist too? After all, they didn't respect the right of Muslims to take over Europe and make their religion the dominant one. How intolerant of them! I don't agree with the idea of banning any book, but neither does Wilders. He has said that on several occasions. He has merely said that if the government insists on banning hate speech anyway, then they should ban the Koran too for inciting people to murder (he has quoted directly from the Koran in this regard). What exactly makes him like Hitler? Because he has the guts to try to save his country without accepting the lefty, idealist, multi-cult cultural relativism that unfortunately so many on the right also buy into? You… Read more »

Startabacklash
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Startabacklash

Regarding a ban on Islam, how do you pinpoint that as fascism? It wouldn't hurt the country and would actually help promote freedom of expression and end Islamic intimidation. People are rightly terrified of saying anything disparaging about Islam as doing so comes with the risk of physical harm as well as other negative consequences. Better to slay the beast and preserve the peoples' rights to free expression, right? This is a laudable thing. He wants to ban it because history and the tenets of Islam itself, and its practice even today, prove that it is a mortal danger and threat to any nation or people it comes into contact with. You don't drink poison or play with fire because they are harmful. The same can be said for Islam. It is a cancer and destroys or tries to destroy anything that stands in its way. You see my picture… Read more »

Startabacklash
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Startabacklash

Hi Tyler. First of all I think you need a clearer understanding as to what constitutes fascism. It was a political philosophy devised by Benito Mussolini and related specifically to Italy and his ambitions to overthrow the status quo and gain power. Here's a definition I found:n Fascism [ˈfӕʃizəm]a nationalistic and anti-Communist system of government like that of Italy 1922-43, where all aspects of society are controlled by the state and all criticism or opposition is suppressed (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/fascism). From http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Fascism/Fasci… While socialism (particularly Marxism) came into existence as a clearly formulated theory or program based on a specific interpretation of history, fascism introduced no systematic exposition of its ideology or purpose other than a negative reaction against socialist and democratic egalitarianism. You can also go to this site: http://www.anesi.com/Fascism-TheUltimateDefinit…. It gives very concise and clear definitions. Can you please tell me if this is what Geert Wilders believes in and… Read more »

KenInMontana
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KenInMontana

Thats quite a stretch, in Islam, Jesus is considered a prophet which is considerably different from the Mormon's view of Christ.

frombigtosmall
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frombigtosmall

I'm certainly being off-topic here but the point i'm trying to make is that not every religion or denomination involving Jesus should automatically be labeled Christianity. Why? Because of your first line. Islam has a slightly altered belief on what they believe Jesus to actually be. Really, that is a true statement. I'm not trying to denigrate any of the religions mentioned, but automatically refering to mormons as Christians is incorrect according to my point of view.

Orange Shaman
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Orange Shaman

Since ALWAYS.

They just have a slightly altered belief on what they believe Jesus to actually be. It's sort of like the difference between Protestant and Catholic.

They're BOTH denominations of Christianity, but Catholicism is different ENOUGH that people tend to think it's a separate religion when it's not.

Useless, but fun fact…Christianity have OVER 34,000 denominations.

SOME of the religious persecutions that went on during the middle ages were WITHIN Christianity AS WELL as AGAINST it. Catholics and Methodists fought and killed each other in England as well as Puritans and Quakers after the pilgrams settled.

Religious violence is nothing new. It just has a NEW FACE now.

frombigtosmall
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frombigtosmall

Since when are mormons christians?

Acidock
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Acidock

Welcome AresXIV, did you come straight from Stormfront?

KenInMontana
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KenInMontana

Here is something to think about Glenn Beck is not a Republican,he is a Libertarian, he has stated this over and over on both CNN and Fox. Yes he is a Christian and makes no secret of it, but try as you might you are not going to agree him all the time,especially if you are a hard right Republican. By the way Senator Goldwater was a Libertarian as well, which implies a firm belief in The Constitution as it was written as to how our Republic is supposed to function. If you disagree with what Beck has to say call him up on his radio show and tell him about. But to start a “witch hunt” because you either disagree with or don't understand what he said puts you in the same category as the bloggers on the left or nut jobs like this AresXIV. Just a thought.

bbitter
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bbitter

Wow. Cubachi, do you listen to Glenn Beck often? watch often? Right and Left mean next to nothing to him. He is not for or against either, he is for LESS government, not more. If Geert Wilders is advocating the government mandating or banning anything in personal attire, in allowance for religion, then it is closer to totalitarian than freedom. Call it what you like; socialism, communism, fascism, whatever. I don't think Glenn wants anarchy, I think he wants about two steps down from anarchy. Little government control, freedoms, basic protections. If a group is infringing the rights and the pursuit of happiness of others, then the government should prosecute them on established laws over their basic rights. The government should not cater to the new, large group, or small group, or whatever, by legislating against them. I think you are jumping to conclusions as to what Glenn is saying.… Read more »

AresXIV
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AresXIV

Geert Wilders is pro-Zionist yet he wants to stop Europe's pro-third world immigration policy. Must be quite a predicament for the Fox Jews who are extremely pro-Zionist, yet very anti-White. I assume they'll probably smear him because getting rid of the White race is slightly more important to the Jews who run NewsCorp than supporting Israel.

AresXIV
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AresXIV

Geert Wilders is pro-Zionist yet he wants to stop Europe's pro-third world immigration policy. Must be quite a predicament for the Fox Jews who are extremely pro-Zionist, yet very anti-White. I assume they'll probably smear him because getting rid of the White race is slightly more important to the Jews who run NewsCorp than supporting Israel.

amywilson
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amywilson

Yes, Tyler, I saw the chart Glenn Beck had with the Dem up & Rep down. I disagree with him on certain principles. Basically, he calls the Republicans EXTREME RIGHT while he moves them to the EXTREME LEFT. The republicans and democrats who are progressive are ALL LEFT – even his chart proved that and his documentary showed that Hilter was to the left. They are all far away from the founders. The problem I have is with his language – there is NO extreme right in this country or they would be called Libertarian anarchists. That is the ONLY extreme right that exists. Ron Paul is about as close as you can get to that. So, the term EXTREME RIGHT FASCIST is incorrect.

michaeltomlinson
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michaeltomlinson

Geert Wilders is not a fascist of demagogue. It was amazing that both Krauthammer and Kristol sounded like Geert when discussing the cowardice of European PCism and Muslim extremists. Krauthammer's suggestion that we use the Muslim community in America as an example of what might be called “good Islam” is a straw man. The Muslim community in Europe is larger and ready to flex its muscles to undermine the democratic nations of Europe. Wilders' is more like Churchill than his nemesis Adolf Hitler (whose favorite cleric was the Mufti of Jerusalem). As for Glenn Beck he is too self absorbed with himself to be credible. He is just pandering to the media elite and liberal establishment in the US and Europe in attacking Wilders. Like his buddy O'Reily he's hard to take seriously.

moonbater
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moonbater

Glen Beck will betray you in the end. he's becoming more and more careless lately.

KenInMontana
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KenInMontana

Okay I watched part 2 of the Beck video three times and I did not hear him refer to Wilders as a facist. He does talk about how things have historicaly gone in Europe in regards to political extremes. Hitler was not a pure facist he blended parts of socialism and bits of facism. If you want to look at facism in Europe Mussolini's Italy is the place to go. Is Wilders a facist? I don't believe he is, from doing a bit of research on his position I might call him a extreme nationist. Which actually is one trait of facists,but I don't believe he is one. Is there an insidious plot at Fox News? Sorry, I can't buy that based on a couple of guest commentators. You will need more than that to prove that theory. Every network has its loons.

lawrence2
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lawrence2

I like Beck, and have been watching him daily for almost a year, but he lost a lot of credibility in recent days. I really don't like how he went after Medina, especially since he said he has his own questions about 911, it really reminded me of how they attacked Ron Paul in 2008 (they asked all other candidates if they support small government, and then ask Paul, who never voted for increased spending, what he thinks about 911, even though he never had said anything about it) And I'm really disappointed that he would call Wilders a fascist after having him on his show twice. I have been following Wilders for quite some time, and feel that he is one of the few people who can get Europe out of the grips of progressive and leftist ideology.

Magnus A
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Magnus A

This is scary! That Wilders don't differ islam from islamism isn't strange: the few brave secular Muslims who lives under protection in the West, like Wafa Sultan or Irshad Manji, explains that the error is within Islam. What Wilders has said is that the violent parts of Koran should be banned.

Islam is a problem, but of course Muslims can either be very believing, and then we call them islamists, or less radical.

But the religion islam is a problem when it comes to the Koran and Hadiths. This is reflected in all Muslim-, or even Muslim majority countries. Krauthammer and others need to understand this, otherwise we're in trouble!

Charles Fernando
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Charles Fernando

Olavo de Carvalho said that Fox News had receive a lot of financial contribution from arabs, so they started not speaking the word “terrorists” on air anymore.

I think everybody has a price, even these guys… we can't trust them that much, and know about men perversity is that what separates the right from the left.

Orange Shaman
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Orange Shaman

Oh…also as a side note…we already agreed to disagree on the Ron Paul issue the second you talked about the “Ron Paul forums” because that means you immediately dismissed him as a nutjob and I doubt I ever will.

Orange Shaman
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Orange Shaman

I read an American Koran and rushed through it. Perhaps there are ideologies I missed. That's why I've chosen to read through it again or perhaps try to find a better one because I like to learn what I can about ALL religions. I love the fascinating stories which people base their faiths on.

If I said “well versed,” then that is my bad.

Feel free to call me ignorant for never really bothering to figure out why Islam and Muslim always seemed so interchangable and/or any other reason you see fit, but PLEASE don't call me a liar.

I'm more than willing to debate and if I'm wrong, then I'm wrong. I was taught at a young age with a belt that lying is not something I should ever do.

Acidock
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Acidock

Ya know…I'm willing to admit when I'm wrong and THIS…I'll admit I'm wrong on. I checked the dictionary for the meanings of Islam and Muslim and feel sort of somewhat stupid now.

Good for you. However, I have trouble with this since you claimed quite some time ago that you were well versed in Islam and were calling some posters out about their comments on Islam.

If you didn't know that very simple fact then it suggests to me that perhaps you aren't on the up and up.

Acidock
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Acidock

I didn't know we were in a contest.

Clarify all you want. And of course I will point out some of the 'nonsense' you try to pass off as fact.

As far as Ron Paul goes, well, we won't even get to a “agree to disagree” stage on that topic.

sillielizzie
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sillielizzie

Makes you wonder if this has anything to do with that Wahabbist sheikh who bought 5% of Fox News. I'm afraid that “fair and balanced” has been 5% fixed against anyone who crosses the “religion of peace”. Personally, I wonder if glenn beck's OBVIOUS departure from everything he said all of last year isn't HIS way of tipping off all of US to the behind the scenes corruption at Fox. I mean, come on, we've all read the 5000 Year Leap and we know Beck isn't stupid. Perhaps he isn't ready to give up the platform to finish what he started, but threw us this smelly rotten fish to put us guard. I don't know. “we report, you decide”.

Orange Shaman
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Orange Shaman

I'm too tired to continue this nonsense with you. Just so you can feel good about yourself…I concede. You win. Until the next bunch of nonsense that I feel the need to clarify…au revoir pour maintenant.

Acidock
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Acidock

Ron Paul is a fruitcake.

No one I know said he started the truther movement. That would be the leftist loons and not the media.

Orange Shaman
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Orange Shaman

Ya know…I'm willing to admit when I'm wrong and THIS…I'll admit I'm wrong on. I checked the dictionary for the meanings of Islam and Muslim and feel sort of somewhat stupid now.

It DOES still kind of fascist to say “Hey. I have nothing against you people, but hate your religion. You should no longer be allowed to construct temples to practice your religion and should no longer wear head scarfs as proposed by your culture.”

Yes, it's fascist for these people in their own countries to not allow Christians to construct churches or freely practicing their religion…but what reason is there to tell them that in your country?

Once again…becoming what you're fighting against.

Acidock
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Acidock

And when that was posted I pointed out the Beck thinks Paul is a complete loon.

I believe he said (paraphrased) 'Paul has 1 maybe 2 good ideas then he ties a rope around his neck and the other end to an anvil and jumps into abyss.'

I think Beck nailed it pretty good.

Orange Shaman
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Orange Shaman

Did you see the interview he did with Ron Paul while he was on HNN where he offered to French Kiss him if only he weren't a man?

I know this was posted elsewhere by somebody else on this site, but why the heck not?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZXWW4C2kpE

WLJ
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WLJ

Beck did the same thing with Debra Medina, he has a track record of doing this kindof stuff. I think you might eventually see Beck turn against some of the tea party movement, especially if they start breaking away from the Republican party. The idea of attacking the “extreme right” and labeling them as fascist is the disturbing. The National Review did the same thing to much of the Barry Goldwater types and the Old Right in the 50s and 60s.

Orange Shaman
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Orange Shaman

Truther? I don't come up with wild conspiracy theories about the government bringing down the world trade center and even if I DID…I'd STATE it as a conspiracy THEORY since it can't be proven. Yes, I support Ron Paul because the man speaks his mind and sticks to his principles even when people think he's nuts. Sticking to our principles…more than I can say for most of our congress at the moment. Just so you know as well…Ron Paul didn't invent the “truther movement.” The MEDIA did as a way to distract the American people from REAL issues such as the bankrupting of our country and the attempt of our government to fundamentally transform our country with Obamacare…and since it's become a big deal all of a sudden…THE MUSLIM RELIGION OH MY GOD!! I'll come back when the topic has changed since there's not gonna be an agreement here no… Read more »

WLJ
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WLJ

Maybe Glenn is trying to capture the conservatives starting to lean in a libertarian direction in the eventual hope of bringing them back into the fold when needed. I like Glenn Beck but sometimes I find his behavior suspicious. He seems to be an independent thinker but every once in a while he says something like that which directly contradicts his previous statements. Fascism, or National Socialism are creatures of the left, not the right and he himself has said this many times. Such contradictions from Beck a very strange and I honestly have no idea what it means.

Acidock
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Acidock

You can't say you're anti-Islam, but NOT anti-Muslim which IS what Geerts says in the HNN interview Beck did with him. They're one and the same.

Completely different, but I don't expect a Muslim or Islam apologist like yourself to understand the world of difference.

You're on a bad roll tonight. You crapped out a long time ago.

Acidock
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Acidock

I think Beck is going to have to screw up a little more than that, because I would hate to see him become a Ron Paul nutjob.

Acidock
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Acidock

Nay! You really don't know what you are talking about.

You have been pawning your BS since I've been reading this forum.

But hey, I don't expect much more from someone who is a Ron Paul truther.

Acidock
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Acidock

But hey…I don't know what I'm talking about…right?

Exactly.

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