OUTRAGEOUS! Entire HS relay team disqualified after runner made religious gesture after crossing finish line

I know you guys probably think I overuse the word ‘outrageous’, but everyday it seems more and more outrageous things are happening. And in this case, all the Columbus High School 4 X 100 relay team runner did was point one finger toward God as he crossed the finish line and the entire team was completely disqualified. And they were winning the regional meet and were headed to the state championships. And now disqualified. All that work for nothing.



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FOX HOUSTON – Some people are outraged after a high school track team is disqualified from competing in state finals because one runner made a religious gesture. In just a few seconds the boys Columbus High School 4 X 100 relay team went from winning the regional meet, heading to state championships to having it all stripped away. How did the “W” so quickly become “DQ”? Well. when the anchor of the relay team crossed the finish line, he won the race, raised his finger to the sky and that gesture caused the winning regional’s relay team to be disqualified.

“It’s a sad deal. I think it’s a travesty. Those kids work hard,” says K.C. Hayes. Hayes’ son Derrick Hayes is the runner who won the race then pointed to God, turning a once in a lifetime opportunity into a huge heartbreak that will likely last his lifetime. “As a team they reached their goal and in an instant it was just gone, over something we think is a non-issue. I guess someone else thinks it is an issue. He just said dad I was pointing at the heavens” says K.C. Hayes.

A judge with the University Interscholastic League or UIL, which enforces the rules for high school athletics, was there at the meet in Kingsville and made the call to disqualify the four member relay team. “For those kids the work they put in, what are we teaching them? Ok you’re going to sacrifice, work hard and do everything it takes and ok it’s just ripped away,” says Hayes.

“It’s a harsh consequence for what some people may deem a small gesture. The rule states no celebratory gestures including raising your arms,” explains Columbus I.S.D. Superintendent Robert O’Connor. According to the UIL the relay team was disqualified for “unsporting conduct”. The UIL also points out, it does not have a rule prohibiting religious expression. “You can do whatever you want to in terms of prayer, kneeling or whatever you want to once you get out of the competition area. You just can’t do it in the competition area. It goes back to the taunting rule. I can’t taunt my opponent,” O’Connor explains.

“It’s not a malicious act. It’s not a taunting act. It’s a ‘we did it’ and he (my son) knows where the source comes from. I know him. He’s not a malicious kid. On the football field he’ll hit you and then help you up,” Hayes says.

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LolaJohnson
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LolaJohnson

Wow, just wow.  I can not believe some of the things you people post and believe.  The complete intolerance of others that do not share your beliefe.
Despite what you think, none of you are Christian.

Suenell
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Suenell

Whether he was merely pointing up as “NUMBER ONE” or thanking God for giving him the win, it doesn’t matter. What’s wrong with raising their hands in triumph at the finish line? This world has gone sinister with all the rule changes!

lawngreen
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lawngreen

I sent an email to the UIL on this, and I got a reply from UIL. Here it is. I do not agree that non-obscene gestures should be grounds for disqualifying an athlete, but that’s for athletes to worry about. My concern was as a Christian. This reply sheds a different light on the situation, and it does not sound like CYA to me: On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 4:06 PM, UIL Executive Director <> wrote: Statement regarding investigation of Region 4 Conference 3A Track Decision FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE AUSTIN, TX— An incident involving the disqualification of the Columbus High School 4X100 meter relay team at the Region IV Conference 3A regional track meet occurred on April 27, 2013. The UIL was made aware of this issue on May 2 after media reports of the disqualification began airing on May 1.Once becoming aware of the incident, the UIL immediately… Read more »

TinaEricson
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TinaEricson

Why didn’t the video indicate all the research that you just relayed.  Sorry but I don’t believe you.

lawngreen
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lawngreen

TinaEricson I don’t see anything in the video that contradicts what is said in the UIL response. I think it’s an idiot rule that you can’t even raise your arms, or make any gesture of triumph and exultation. If I’d had athletic ability as a young man and been confronted with that stupid rule, I would not have bothered competing. It seems to me that this is part of the public “education” system desiring to discourage accomplishment in any area. The excuse is that anyone winning means everyone else lost, and that will damage the losers’ self-esteem, so we can’t do that. Baloney. I also think that the public school system is trying to eject any mention of God from their domain. But in this case, it appears to me that they stayed within the bounds of their rules, at least, and that those rules were known ahead of time.… Read more »

TinaEricson
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TinaEricson

I saw no mention of the boy being rude or obnoxious…. not until the UIL got hammered did the boy become the villian.

lawngreen
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lawngreen

TinaEricson It’s not their custom to explain in detail every decision they make. It became necessary in this case due to the backlash.
If their statement is not true, the athlete and his parents should say so. UIL quotes them as in agreement with the judge’s decision. If they are not, they have a responsibility to publicize the fact that they were lied about. If that doesn’t happen, I take it to mean that they were quoted correctly.

Gregory Brittain
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Gregory Brittain

Every competitor at the state championship should knee down and pray after each event.
God and country are more important than a trophy.

Miguel526
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Miguel526

This country is NOT finished!  The civilized Americans, meaning more of we conservatives, must begin, (for we are decades behind my former party operatives) ORGANIZING.  We CANNOT just satisfy ourselves by griping online and whining around.  Go to the school and demand that this school reach out to all the other schools in this “fake” sports governing group to DEMAND that this ruling be overturned, or the entire group of high schools will boycott the state competition.  Then go after the college-educated wannbe anti-Christian elite in this governing board, demanding this judge be removed, taking nothing less. Go to the state legislature!  All of these groups have been infiltrated for years by the progressive left.  Don;t just gripe and “feel” like you have been listened to.  The liberals just laugh at you.  I can say this b/c I was once liberal. Their hatred for America and for you is bone-deep. … Read more »

JohnJorges
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JohnJorges

He shudda put down a carpet, knelt down and bowed towards the east. Then he’d ‘a been a friggin hero. This country is finished. We give it away. This political correctness bull is asinine and those who perpetrate it should be deported to iraq.

Thumpmonkey
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Thumpmonkey

You guys are funny… I’ve had some laughs… I said my piece…. I’ll let you guys stroke yourselves with your self-righteous billy goating about unfounded religious persecution as told to you by FOX… If it’s on FOX it’s got to be true ya know… I can’t wait to read the book… I’ll bet it’ll be as riveting and as sad as “The Diary of Anne Frank” which was a case of actual religious persecution…

white531
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white531

Thumpmonkey   Sorry to see you go Thump, but exiting the stage acting like you won the argument, I will not let you get away with, because you missed the whole point of what everyone was trying to get you to understand.  
As for Fox News, I spend about three minutes a day on Fox News on my computer.  I do the same with four or five other news sources.  After that, I usually have my nose in a History book.  Not the kind they currently pass out in our High Schools, by the way.

TinaEricson
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TinaEricson

Unfounded religious persecution?  Only the uninformed  people who only watch the liberal news stations would say that.  Here are some examples of recent religious persecution: A federal judge threatened “incarceration” to a high school valedictorian unless she removed references to Jesus from her graduation speech. City officials prohibited senior citizens from praying over their meals, listening to religious messages or singing gospel songs at a senior activities center. Seniors at another home was forced to take down their little Christmas tree because it was deemed religious.A public school official physically lifted an elementary school student from his seat and reprimanded him in front of his classmates for praying over his lunch. The U.S. Department of Justice argued before the Supreme Court that the federal government can tell churches and synagogues which pastors and rabbis it can hire and fire. The U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs banned the mention of God… Read more »

LolaJohnson
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LolaJohnson

TinaEricson I don’t believe you.  Please site your sources.

bakerm73
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bakerm73

The rule itself is outrageous.  But, even with the rule standing, he didn’t violate it if he was pointing to the heavens.  

In regards to the rule, why shouldn’t the winners be able to celebrate?  They won, they earned it.  More PC crap infiltrating the education system and it actually holds kids back because it’s there.

TinaEricson
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TinaEricson

What if the boy had looked into the stands and said, “Thank you Mom and Dad for your support.”  Would he have been disqualified?  I would think not.  However, when he points upward to thank God then he and his entire team are disqualified.  I feel pretty confident that the judge was either an athiest or a liberal..

Godisright
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Godisright

But it would be ok for him to go on the pa system and announce that he was gay, if he was.
Or get on his knees and bob his head toward Mecca.

stickbeater
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stickbeater

Your an ASS EdArgorter!!!

EdArgorter
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EdArgorter

I must confess to a feeling of slightly wicked satisfaction that the kid was called on his smarmy little gesture. The notion that God would condescend to favor him over his competition in a silly little relay race, of all things, not to mention the kid’s evident belief that he was somehow privy to such a divine intent, strike me as not only arrogant in the extreme but downright sacrilegious as well. “[…] a huge heartbreak that will likely last his lifetime”? Oh, spare me! It is not uncommon for life’s most valuable lessons to come at a cost, and with considerable pain. If they are worth learning at all, one hopes they do last a lifetime.

RoxieCarrol
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RoxieCarrol

EdArgorter wow. thanking God do not mean you thinks he was more deserving, it means he was thankful. and yeah i completely agree that you are wicked. il pray for your soul as well.

EdArgorter
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EdArgorter

RoxieCarrol EdArgorter Judge not lest ye be judged. Pray for whatever you like, if it warms the cockles of your hypocritical little heart.

RoxieCarrol
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RoxieCarrol

EdArgorter RoxieCarrol i will be judged, by God when i get to heaven, theres nothing hypocritical about what i said. but i understand wanting to use a big word so no one can tell your one of thoes uneducated obama voters,it didnt work. and i didnt judge you, until now, you called your feelings wicked, and i very much agree. but yes i do make a judgement on someone who calls me a hypocrite for no reason. and that judgement is that there not very smart.

EdArgorter
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EdArgorter

RoxieCarrol EdArgorter My God, what a cranky, nasty, self-righteous, vituperative bunch you so-called “Christians” can be.

RoxieCarrol
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RoxieCarrol

EdArgorter RoxieCarrol you clearly have no God so who are you speaking in reference to?

white531
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white531

EdArgorter RoxieCarrol My only question would be, how did you get your hands on a computer?  To me, that is even more amazing than your comments here this evening.

kirt cortez
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kirt cortez

EdArgorter RoxieCarrol read the entire verse, it says judge ye not lest ye be judge… that means judge not unless you are willing to be judge by the same standard… the bible makes repeated references to judge others… how do you think they knew who to stone? only an ignorant self know it all like yourself believes that verse means that Christians are not to judge others… that is how we know who is wicked and to stay clear of…

KimmieSmith
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EdArgorter RoxieCarrol Ed, you spurt out a scripture about judge not lest ye be judged, but have you stopped to think for a minute what you were doing in your first comment about the kid?

KimmieSmith
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EdArgorter RoxieCarrol You’re the one who said you were feeling “wicked” satisfaction about the whole thing, I don’t exactly call that a loving type attitude.  
You provoke RoxieCarrol into having to defend herself and then you turn around and imply that all Christians are nasty self righteous vituperative bunches of people.  How is that this is making you feel good?  What pleasure are you getting from attacking Christians?

LolaJohnson
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LolaJohnson

RoxieCarrol EdArgorter You mean he doesn’t believe as you do, so he has no God.  You’re no better than the Muslims you hate so much.

redsbabe
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EdArgorter And you must be a Muslim SOB….just like our wonderful Jack Ass for a president.  And a Swarmy little gesture??  Are you freaking kidding me…..some of us as parents have taught our children to be thankful for what they have been given.  Did it ever occur to you that maybe he was saying thanks for letting me endure this battle and and letting me use this body I have been given.  Oh hell no it wouldn’t to you….awe are not allowed to use the word GOD in our own country anymore.  People like you are what have made our Country go to hell!  And I hope and our wonderful President actually get to meet each other there!  And this huge heartbreak will last a lifetime….and it will make him all the more stronger!

EdArgorter
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EdArgorter

redsbabe EdArgorter You know nothing about me, but I now know more about you than you presumably would want anyone to know.

white531
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white531

EdArgorter redsbabe Ed, just like Obama, I’m all ears right now.  You’re right, I know nothing about you.  Tell me what I should know.

white531
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white531

EdArgorter redsbabe Just what I thought.  23 minutes now, and you seem to have lost your voice.  Great avatar, by the way.  Probably the ugliest thing I’ve seen.

KimmieSmith
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KimmieSmith

EdArgorter redsbabe Ed, I think from your comments we know who you’re supporting and living for and it’s pretty wicked and dark.  Your words speak volumes of who you are.  It’s sad that people like you actually get a thrill out of attacking others and stirring up anger, that’s a sad way to live.

kirt cortez
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kirt cortez

EdArgorter he looks muslim… and talks like3 muslim… probably assembling a bomb like a muslim

bakerm73
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bakerm73

EdArgorter Are you ready for this?  You’re a straight up bigot.

Mominnv
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Mominnv

EdArgorter HERE’S your SIGN.

KimmieSmith
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KimmieSmith

EdArgorter So you got all that just from this one article and without even actually knowing the kid personally?  You’re some kind of judge there aren’t ya?

JimTierney
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JimTierney

I think I will let The Westboro Church Creeps know the Judges Name … They LOVE to protest people who go against GODS will ….. The Judge is a D-BAG ….

LolaJohnson
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LolaJohnson

JimTierney You can just tell them at your next meeting.

Debby
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Debby

I have no thoughts that would be deemed appropriate here.

white531
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white531

DebbyX Debbie, you must be listening to my thoughts.

LolaJohnson
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LolaJohnson

DebbyX You should just put a period after the word “thoughts.”

rickcw
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rickcw

this is ridiculous….and this is yet another reason why our country is imploding from within…this society has way too many rules for those intolerant people who get offended because they don’t agree with other people and their beliefs…very, very sad!

Thumpmonkey
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Thumpmonkey

rickcw Just because FOX News says this is religious prosecution, doesn’t mean it’s actually religious prosecution… The kid tried to explain his gesture as a religious gesture AFTER the team was disqualified as a way to explain that it wasn’t a celebratory act… They were disqualified for a rule infringement simple as that.

white531
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white531

Thumpmonkey rickcw We used to be a Christian nation.  I guess being a Christian is now a, “rule infringement.”  Did I get that right?

Thumpmonkey
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Thumpmonkey

white531 Thumpmonkey rickcw That’s a ridiculous interpretation of what I said… Now you’re just erroneously twisting my point to make your argument…. It had absolutely nothing to do with religion…. ANY gesture is an infringement… If you can’t wrap your head around that, then your lost…. And no we have never been a “Christian nation”… our fore fathers made very careful steps to avoid that… That’s why freedom of religion is an important part of the Constitution… To avoid religious persecution by the “Christian” nut jobs who inhabited England at the time.

Bac Si68
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Thumpmonkey white531 rickcw Sorry Monkey, They didn’t want a State Religion. The Church of England, with the King as the official head.  The religious beliefs of all would be tolerated.  You are close with your statement.

Thumpmonkey
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Thumpmonkey

Bac Si68 Thumpmonkey white531 rickcw Sorry Bac… “The Government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion.” ~ George Washington …. “Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man.” ~ Thomas Jefferson… “I hold that in this country there must be complete severance of Church and State.” ~ Teddy Roosevelt… Not sure how my statement that we were not founded as a “Christian nation” is incorrect.

ImacowgirlinTucson
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Thump you’d better go back and google that again..and btw Forbes has a great artical about this very thing..you see even if Jefferson was a Christian..as all were of 204..try this
http://christianity.about.com/od/independenceday/a/foundingfathers.htm

white531
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white531

Thumpmonkeywhite531rickcw  So we’ve never been a Christian nation.  Of course not.  How could I have been so naive?  Especially “since our forefathers made very careful steps to avoid that.” Well, here are what some of our forefathers had to say about that:Key Quotes from people influential to our nation’s birth In 1620, the Pilgrims, upon arriving in America, formed a compact called the Mayflower Compact that begins with these words: “In the name of God, Amen…Having undertaken for the glory of God, and advancement of the Christian Faith…a Voyage to plant the first Colony in the Northern parts of Virginia” (HWJV, p. 224). James Madison reveals his viewpoint, “We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not upon the power of government, but upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God” (WIJHNBB, p. 71). In 1778, George Washington… Read more »

white531
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white531

Thumpmonkey Bac Si68 white531 rickcw  Sorry, Thumpmonkey.  Teddy Roosevelt was not one of our Founding Fathers.  He wasn’t even one of our better Presidents.

white531
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white531

ImacowgirlinTucson  Excellent site, cowgirl.

white531
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white531

waytngtymwhite531 Sorry to take so long in getting back to you, waytngtym.  We were busy this weekend and I just turned on the computer and saw your post. WIJHNBB refers to a book written by James D. Kennedy, titled, “What if Jesus had never been born? WIJHNBB is simply the acronym for the title of the book. WIAWACNA is also the acronym for another book, but I an not familiar with the title.  It is from the same article written by  Robert Driskell on November 12, 2012 on this site: Kennedy, D. James, and Jerry Newcombe. What if Jesus had never been born (WIJHNBB). Nashville: Thomas Nelson, Inc., 1994. Print. Read more: http://www.whatchristianswanttoknow.com/was-the-united-states-of-american-founded-as-a-christian-nation-a-look-at-the-facts/#ixzz2SSTPX0AG The above site is a good starting point for research on the subject. Another good site is this one: http://americanvision.org/6379/six-myths-of-american-history/#.UFUQn65o_KQ Bruce Barton wrote a book in 1925, titled, “THE MAN NOBODY KNOWS.”  I haven’t read the book,… Read more »

bakerm73
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bakerm73

Thumpmonkeyy  It is religious persecution.  There was nothing offensive about what the kid did, unless you’re a bigot against religious people.

Thumpmonkey
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Thumpmonkey

bakerm73 Thumpmonkey You’re seeing things…. ANY gesture is against the rules.. religion had nothing to do with it.

TinaEricson
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TinaEricson

Any ‘celebratory’ gesture is against the rules.  Read it again monkey.  Thankiing God is a humble gesture…. a gesture that you would never see a narcissit make.

WilliamSharff
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WilliamSharff

this is beyond ridiculous. If he had put down a prayer mat and bowed to the east it would have been o.k. because of being culturally tolerant. wow.

Chetespino
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Chetespino

He didn’t celebrate. He prayed. There’s a difference.

bakerm73
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bakerm73

Chetespino Did the difference warrant being disqualified?  No.

CBRN
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CBRN

Straight from the UIL: “Disrespectful Conduct – Do not engage in disrespectful conduct of any sort including profanity, obscene gestures, offensive remarks, trash-talking, taunting, boastful celebrations or other actions that demean individuals or the sport.’
Now I ask you, how in the world does a small one finger gesture toward heaven, quietly and discretely thanking and giving thanks to his God, qualify under any part of that rule?  It doesn’t!

steveangll77
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We did it we know … we – he know where the source comes from.  The father states near the end of the video. The father outright admits that his son was celebrating to to the God that gave him the ability to win.  He claims that would not taunt.  I disagree I would be upset at someone that did that to me after beating me. The rule is no immediate celebrating to avoid taunting.  He admits his son was celebrating.  Case closed. Sorry dad I feel for your child but he should have waited just a few seconds longer to do his celebration.  Do you not teach him to follow the rules at church and at the track?  I sure hope so. So far as the rule.  We have all seen videos of fans and the athletes themselves in violent confrontations sometimes these even lead to death.  I agree that is rare in track… Read more »

ImacowgirlinTucson
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I disagree with you wholeheartly…if he’d been a muslim bowing to the east..I bet this wouldn’t be happening..sorry When did thanking GOD become a taunt?  This is outragous, and I will email the UIL!!

Thumpmonkey
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Thumpmonkey

ImacowgirlinTucson  Actually no he would have been disqualified if he’d done that as well… but you wouldn’t have been outraged at that now would you?… He was disqualified first, THEN he tried to explained it away as giving thanks to God… There was absolutely no bias here… He was disqualified for a “celebratory gesture”… NOT for religious prosecution…. I saw the footage, and it looked like he was giving the “we’re number one” gesture rather than a religious one… FOX Snooze successively duped you overly sensitive conservative half-wits by twisting the truth… All the judges saw was a kid giving the “we’re number one” gesture and counted that as a “celebratory gesture” which is against the rules… If they didn’t agree with those rules, there’s absolutely nothing forcing them to participate.

ImacowgirlinTucson
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Well Thump, I sure would lke to see the footage.. as well, but no one, including myself can find it..even newsreporters can’t find it…please could you give me the site were there is footage of this young man crossing the finsh line, and thanking GOD?
I still believe that one of the losers cried foul.  I’ve seen many high school games..and never seen anyone disqualified for being happy about winning..
No one dupes me easily..so curious to see it..thanks waiting for your reply.

Thumpmonkey
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Thumpmonkey

ImacowgirlinTucson I was referring to the “reenactment” gesture on the tape above… She demonstrated what the kid did, and it was no different than the “we’re number one” gesture… They were disqualified, THEN the kid used the “I was giving thanks to God” excuse to get out of it… Much ado about nothing… Since when is pointing your finger up a religious gesture anyway?  FOX seems to be very good at finding people to believe their idiocy… If he were to have used his middle finger, would it have been alright?… They were disqualified for a gesture… simple as that.

RoxieCarrol
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Thumpmonkey ImacowgirlinTucson where do you get you info? nowhere does it state when he said that he was “pointing to the heavens” it says when asked. you have no idea if he was asked that befor or after being disqualified. concidering the fact that this went to a judge before being decided, there was a good amount of time before hand. and im quessing that if he had waited till after the fact to say that he was “pointing to the heavens” that they would have reported that his story had changed. but who know? i dont and neither do you…. and you cant honestly say that you do.

ImacowgirlinTucson
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Well, sorry I believe it was a gesture to GOD..you wouldn’t think it was much to do about nothing…if you or your child was disqualified for this..years of work..I do believe Fox..who do you believe..CNN?
BTW..http://weaselzippers.us/2013/05/03/texas-high-school-relay-team-disqualified-from-state-championships-after-runner-makes-religious-gesture-after-crossing-finish-line/
A poll shows 95% thinks it was outragous..and 4% believe what you do.

Thumpmonkey
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RoxieCarrol Thumpmonkey ImacowgirlinTucson  Why would he say “I was pointing to the heavens” before they were disqualified?… That doesn’t make any sense… How many people give thanks to the Lord in a gesture, then starts telling people… “Did you see my gesture?… I was giving thanks to the Lord.” That just doesn’t make any sense what-so-ever. Since when is pointing up a universal gesture for giving thanks anyway?

ImacowgirlinTucson
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ImacowgirlinTucson

I agree with you!

Thumpmonkey
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Thumpmonkey

ImacowgirlinTucson I’m sure you DO believe it was a gesture to God since that’s what FOX Snooze is telling you to believe… I’m trying to figure out when the gesture pointing up (The same exact gesture as “we’re number one”) became a religious gesture.

KimmieSmith
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Thumpmonkey ImacowgirlinTucson Well, if you were a Christian you just might know that plenty of us have been known to point upwards as in “God helped me win this”, that’s generally the direction you point in when referring to God, certainly not downward!

ImacowgirlinTucson
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What in the world are you talking about..Thump!  No one tells me what to believe..I have read about 12 articals about this young man and what happened..on mainstream media/news,  (not any  of them conservative like FOX..)  and as I said earlier you are in the 4% and the rest of us are in the 95% that believe it was just stupid to disqualified for raising his finger..you must be some liberal arse.

KimmieSmith
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Thumpmonkey RoxieCarrol ImacowgirlinTucson How about just maybe there was a period of time that they called out a discrepancy before the judge made that ruling and he explained his action at that time, I could see how that would be quite possible.
Unless you’re a Christian you’re not going to understand pointing up as giving thanks to God.

Thumpmonkey
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Thumpmonkey

KimmieSmith Thumpmonkey ImacowgirlinTucson  yeah…. so you give the “we’re number one” sign as a religious gesture… good to know… howeveer…. This is still a case of a rule violation and NOT religious persecution… If he would have flipped everyone off… would that have been acceptable?… Still in the realm of freedom of speech.

Thumpmonkey
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Thumpmonkey

ImacowgirlinTucson  I do concede that it was stupid to disqualify them for him raising his finger and the celebratory gesture thing is even a rule…. What my whole point is that no one seems to be understanding, because of their religious “outrage”, is that this has nothing to do with religion, but has to do with a violation of their rules of competition… Rules are rules… no matter how stupid you think they are…. If it’s violated you suffer the consequences. No matter how stupid you think they are… don’t like the rules? Change them or don’t participate. Whether you flip someone off or point to the heavens… you will be disqualified if you give a gesture… A side note… It wouldn’t have made news if he flipped everyone off and disqualified the whole team.

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Thumpmonkey RoxieCarrol ImacowgirlinTucson and again, where do u get that from… i didnt say that he just started saying it. he may have walked off the track, been aproched by the UIL and asked why he raised one finger. the point is you dont know. and your entire argument is based on the assumption that he only said that it was “to the heavens” after being disqualified…. and you made that part up.

Thumpmonkey
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ImacowgirlinTucson I am, by far more Liberal than Conservative, thank God… I don’t find religious persecution in such benign silliness… Bottom line is, they were disqualified for a rule violation, NOT religious persecution… However I DO stand with the 95% that this was pretty stupid… both the rule AND all this hopped up poppycock.

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Thumpmonkey  Disqualifying this team, who won on the track and was clearly the best one at the regional, was indeed extreme bias and HATRED towards the religion.

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Thumpmonkey  Why do you keep trying to rationalize what you know isn’t true?

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Thumpmonkey It’s done quite often in the NFL, in baseball, and in other sports.  You just can’t find it in  yourself to drop your politics and admit the relay team was discriminated against, can you?  RoxieCarrol ImacowgirlinTucson

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Thumpmonkey As soon as you said, “Fox Snooze”, you’re bigotry was multiplied by a factor of 100.   ImacowgirlinTucson

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That is a local affiliate, by the way.  It is not the Fox News channel.  You’re clueless to real world events.

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Thumpmonkeyy You actually do thank God for being more liberal, so why can’t the kid thank God?

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RoxieCarrol Thumpmonkey ImacowgirlinTucson You’re not understanding…. It doesn’t matter why he made the gesture… I don’t care if it was a religious gesture or if he flipped off the crowd… They were disqualified because gestures are apparently against the rules, and he violated them…. When he claimed it to be a religious gesture, or the fact that it may have been a religious gesture is irrelevant.

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bakerm73 Thumpmonkey ImacowgirlinTucson Yeah because FOX is such a credible source of news… please.

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bakerm73 Thumpmonkey He can all he wants to… just don’t violate the rules of competition and all will be fine.

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bakerm73″You’re clueless to real world events” Said the FAUX News follower.

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Thumpmonkey ImacowgirlinTucson Thumper, you could have just stopped your sentence at “I am, by far more liberal than conservative, thank God” and that would’ve been enough to explain your mindset right there.  Everything else is expected.

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Cowgirl, I agree with you…. I believe a cry-baby on the losing team cried foul.  Now the cry-baby is going to state competition.  Wish someone would verify whether that judge is related in any way to the losing team (an alma mater?) or to any of the kids on it.

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Kimmie, you are so right!!!  In fact, I’ve seen athletes in the Olympics who have done their cross motion on their chest in gratitude after winning a race.

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steveangll77 
you’re actually offended by this?…apparently, you have never competed and won and got excited…oh, there are rules about celebrating and I better wait until I get into an area where no one can see me before I show my emotions….what a joke!  Jesus does not place restrictions on where and when we praise Him for what He has done for us and I’m very sure that Jesus would NOT agree with this incident.

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rickcw steveangll77 I’m sure Jesus couldn’t care less about this incident… I doubt if he was so petty.

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Thumpmonkey rickcw steveangll77 you cant say what Jesus would care about because you clearly do not know him as some of us here do. and yes he would care about this. he cares about all his children. even thoes like you who dont give him the praise and respect that he deserves. but il pray for your soul. honestly i will.

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Thumpmonkey rickcw steveangll77 it’s apparent that you are non-Christian and that’s okay…I too, will pray for you.

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RoxieCarrol Thumpmonkey rickcw steveangll77 So he didn’t like the other team? I can honestly say that I know him probably more accurately than you do… I’ll pray for you… He does care about his children, but he couldn’t care less about one team or the other winning a competition… especially with far more important things going on in the world.. If you think God would concern himself with a high school track meet rather than the atrocities going on in the world, then you must thing God is pretty shallow, or are completely out of your mind… If you believe in Gods will, then why do you argue it when his will isn’t YOUR will?

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rickcw Thumpmonkey steveangll77  Why am I a non-Christian? Because I don’t believe this was a case of religious persecution? Because I’m not as easily hoodwinked by FAUX News? Or perhaps it’s because I’m not dumb enough to believe Jesus would concern himself with such silliness?  Nazis were Christians too…  so I’m non-that belief.

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Thumpmonkey rickcw steveangll77 no one said God would care who won the game… i wasnt aware thats what we were talking about. smh. and your saying if they were disqualified because it was his will, and im only mad because it wasnt mine. what sence does that make. if thats the way things work than why bother with a legal system at all, if all things done are Gods will than nothing is wrong. Terrorism is Gods will… is that what your saying? might have sounded good in your head but it doesnt hold up. and no one who truely knows Christ would think that he “could care less” about one of his children. no matter what the situation. its not a “waste of his time” because he does not live by time as we do. he can do and see all things all the time. and that doesnt make him “shallow” as… Read more »

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RoxieCarrol Thumpmonkey rickcw steveangll77  Are you having a seizure or something?… I’m saying he could care less about this situation… So are you trying to tell me that God would concern himself with such trivial nonsense as this?… Wow you must be delusional… I’ll pray for you.

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Thumpmonkey You really need to stop pretending you’re not extremely bigoted against what you know happened.   steveangll77

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Thumpmonkey You’re a judgmental little man.  You’re not God.  Stop trying to pose like you are.   RoxieCarrol rickcw steveangll77

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Thumpmonkey RoxieCarrol rickcw steveangll77   I have followed this conversation from it’s beginning, to now what appears to be it’s end.  I will agree the argument itself was senseless.  But this is what Thumpmonkey missed in the conversation.  Yes, it was a rules violation.  But where did the rule come from in the first place?  High School and College sports programs have so many rules these days, that it simply boggles the mind.  It is part of the process of Progressives taking over our country. We used to be a Christian nation.  High school teams prayed on the field before a game.  They prayed after the game if they won.  Sometimes they prayed even if they lost. Fast forward to the current environment, where Christian morals and ethics are under constant attack.  The slightest gesture that is deemed religious, is called outrageous, and has no place. This spectacle created here by this judge,… Read more »

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bakerm73 Thumpmonkey RoxieCarrol rickcw steveangll77  Right back at ya.

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white531 Thumpmonkey RoxieCarrol rickcw steveangll77 See what you wish… It’s still not religious persecution. I thank the lord every day that simple minded Christians can’t legislate their beliefs onto everyone else, because we would surely be in a living hell.

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bakerm73 Thumpmonkey steveangll77 By your statement I’m convinced you don’t know what the term “bigoted” means.

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Thumpmonkey RoxieCarrol rickcw steveangll77 Thumper, is that really your perception of God?  That’s pretty sad ya know.  There’s NEVER a time or ANYTHING too insignificant where God “could care less.”  Maybe that is YOUR God but it certainly isn’t the God I’ve come to know. 
I don’t know, maybe you’re really talking about obama is your god seeming you said he’s got bigger stuff to worry about in the world instead of a trivial nonsensical track meet.  Seems that the media and all his little slaved followers really believe he is their “savior” as Jamie Foxx stated.

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Thumpmonkey white531 RoxieCarrol rickcw steveangll77  And I thank The Lord every day that I am a simple minded Christian, because a Living Hell is what the Liberals and Progressives are trying to create for us.

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Me too, White531…… me too.

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steveangll77 and that is your problem… you choose to be offended… being offended is a personal choice and thus a personal problem. I’m offended daily by many things that go on in society… But PC has made those offenses OK… so it is my problem. The point is that what makes your brand of offended more important than my brand of offended… That life… your going to be offended, grow and deal with it and stop your little girl crying because your feelings have been bruised

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steveangll77 There’s that “offend” again. The downfallof America.  Boo Hoo!

TinaEricson
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steve, watch the video again.  It was the superintendent that called it a ‘celebratory gesture’.  The father simply said his son gave credit where credit is due.  That was a humble gesture not a taunting one.  I’ve seen athletes at the Olympics that do the Catholic cross gesture in gratitude after winning a race but they weren’t disqualified.

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My strictly non-religious argument:
What should the kid have done when he won the race?  Hung his head?
Maybe those other kid’s wouldn’t have to worry
about getting their feelings hurt if they’d run faster.
 Or maybe high
school isn’t too early to start teaching kids about the real world,
where you don’t get a trophy for participation and your best may not be
good enough.

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AdamBenjamin I guess there are people who would prefer him to apologize for winning!  As soon as he crosses the finish line, hang your head down and say “darn it I won, gosh I’m so sorry to all of you that lost, maybe we can re-do this and I’ll try to go a little slower so you can win, gosh I’m such a bad person”

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AdamBenjamin He should have run off the track over to his team mates and then celebrated.

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steveangll77  
I don’t know you from the next guy, so let me ask you, have you ever won at anything in your life?  If you did, were you excited when it happened? 
Ok, teenage kids, known for having a masterful control of their emotions, should be able to bottle that up, right?  Don’t feed me this “He broke the rules! They’re there for a reason!”  They’re there because someone from the Hurt Feelings Brigade cried about not being good enough, so good sportsmanship got blown out of proportion. 
There is only one gesture that can be made with one finger that should get you DQ’d, and I don’t think that’s what happened here.

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AdamBenjamin steveangll77 
he’s probably never won at anything he’s ever done…that’s why he’s so offended by those who do? just a thought….

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steveangll77 AdamBenjamin 
whether he raised his finger towards heaven or signaling that they were #1 makes no difference!  it’s a stupid rule for people who are offended by other people doing great things…what a bunch of losers!

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rickcw  
so true.  that’s what it is..

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KyongWalin rickcw who cares either way, your right. its not like he danced and chanted “we won, you suck.” its one finger, even if it was “were #1” THERE WERE #1!!!

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RoxieCarrol KyongWalin rickcw but somebody didn’t win and their feelings were hurt so somebody has to do something about it…we can’t have people hurting other people’s feelings in sporting events, can we? what a bunch of crap! my advice to these people who can’t accept defeat when someone beats them is this: don’t play! take your ball and go home!

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rickcw steveangll77 AdamBenjamin Exactly!  Making up absurd rules like this is only deterring kids from learning about the harshness that life can deal you sometimes.  Losing is just another part of life and you either take that as a motivator to strive to be better or you just stay stagnant and never learn anything or get anywhere in life.

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Celebrating a win by raising your arms in jubilation is “taunting”?Since when?This is political correctness run wild with moronic,idiotic,a$$hole bureaucrats making and interpreting the rules!What are we teaching our kids with this kind of stupidity?Compete but don’t take any joy in winning because you may hurt the rest of your competitors feelings?Unbelievable!

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steveangll77 a) you state he knew celebration was not allowed.
1) where do you receive the knowledge that he knew this for sure.
2) how can you call ONE FINGER pointed a “celebration”
He did not break the “clear rules”. Actually according to what the judge stated, he is within his means to point to the sky. The rules, according to this UIL judge state “including raising one’s arms” 

FACT he did NOT raise his arms. He raised one finger on one arm. NOT ARMS plural.

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Acts7 steveangll77 The rules clearly stated he could not raise his hands above his head in celebration.  
The rule states no celebratory gestures including raising your arms
Fourth paragraph second sentence.  I see no real difference one or both arms.  Besides that was just an example. Had I seen that I would have assumed he was celebrating.  
Again I do not like these rules.  But there are many laws I detest yet obey because they are the law.

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steveangll77 Acts7 As soon as Christians stop sitting on the sidelines and start standing up for what’s right is as soon as we will take back this country from this disease of liberalism.

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steveangll77 Acts7  Well then, you should be right in line with all the rules and laws that are coming down the pike from your Socialist President.
Winning is what Americans strive for.  It is what makes us American.  It is why this is the greatest nation on earth.

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Unsportsmanlike conduct.  Just like when you could not celebrate in the end zone in football.
Point is he knew that celebration was not allowed and he just did it anyway.  He broke the clear rules then says but my religious freedom allows me to do that.  No it does not.  Celebration can taunt and cause fights and other more serious conduct.  Had he lost and done this he might have a point.  I will fight all day long for religious freedom.  But this is just not that.  
That being said I do not agree that a little celebration should be against the rules.  The rule is stupid but that is the rule break it and you are disqualified simple.  It is hardly a new rule.  It existed forty years ago.

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steveangll77 I see many football players do their little jig after a touchdown plenty today.  They do it all the time.   The Constitution says we have that religious freedom, that right, but there are ones who are trying to take that away, trying to do away with the Constitution because they feel it is outdated.   They are trying to silence us Christians and glorify those that go against Christianity.  If you’re gay, shout it out and announce it on t.v. to the whole world and you are a hero.  Not silencing them!  But woe unto anyone who dares gives a gesture giving thanks to God because they feel it in their heart and you are damned!!  I learned growing up that when you compete in sports there will always be a winner and sometimes it won’t be you and we also learned that the ones who won are going to… Read more »

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KimmieSmith steveangll77  Would you feel the same way if he was giving thanks to Allah?… The rules against celebration are rules against celebration, not Christianity. Just because one is Christian doesn’t mean you have freedom to do whatever you want in the name of Christianity.

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Thumpmonkey KimmieSmith steveangll77 
I would just like to know how any of you can call a quick point to the sky a celebration.
The UIL judge by his own words nullified his findings.
According to him celebration includes “raising one’s arms”. That is a plural. This kid raised ONE finger on ONE hand.
The bigger question is this… The judge was there he didn’t call it immediately. Which means someone (probably a loosing team member or one’s parent) said something.

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Thumpmonkey KimmieSmith steveangll77 The Constitution says I have a right to my religious freedom.  If the kid had given thanks to Allah, then he should have that right.   I have never known a team to be silent and act like some kind of robot upon winning a game or competition.  This rule is going against our Constitutional rights.  A person is supposed to be FREE to shout out I Love God if they want to as long as they are not harming another person and I don’t mean “offending” them by that either.  This kid pointed his finger up toward the sky to give glory to God but the athlete who comes out of the closet and announces that he is gay is applauded and rewarded and the athlete who is known to give God thanks in public after touchdowns is deemed evil somehow and kicked out.   The root of all of… Read more »

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KimmieSmith Thumpmonkey steveangll77 If the rules state no celebration, then there is no celebration… This, by far does not meet the grounds for Constitution Infringement… Just because he made a religious gesture does NOT mean it’s a rule against Christianity nor his religion… ANY gesture, if considered an act of celebration would be grounds for dismissal… Whether it be giving praise to God or flipping everyone off… the gesture is irrelevant .. ANY celebration would be outlawed.. Events have rules… If you wish to participate, then you follow said rules… If you don’t like the rules, there’s nothing that says you have to participate… And just a side note… Teebow wasn’t let go because he is Christian… He was let go because he didn’t want to play the position the team wanted him to play.

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Thumpmonkey KimmieSmith steveangll77 All of this, pure liberal crap!  That’s the end argument, it’s nothing but a bunch of rules made up by communists liberals wanting to dictate their ways upon us.   Say whatever mumbo jumbo you want to but this is all in the name of taking control over We The People, bottom line!  It’s happening more and more every time I look at the news, something new coming up with trying to dictate what they think is best for us, how large a coke we can drink, can’t wear a cross or carry a bible in school, can’t say this can’t say that, can’t throw your hands up in the air and say hallelujah.  But hey, you sure can throw em up there and say I’m Gay and I’m Proud of it!!!!  Shout that one as loud as you can and you’re just fine, no rules about that, and who… Read more »

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Thumpmonkey HE DIDN’T CELEBRATE! Pointing one finger, head high, /= celebrating.  And if a kid wants to point a finger to Allah, I wouldn’t have a problem with that because he constitutionally has that right.  I don’t like it, but he has that right.

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Thumpmonkey KimmieSmith steveangll77  he can gives thanks to whomever he wants….freedom is freedom….why don’t you just admit that this is a far reach from breaking the rules of “celebration” and that is was a stupid determination by the UIL?

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steveangll77 KimmieSmithActually this is all pure Conservative crap drummed up by FAUX News… After seeing the story, it looked to me like he was giving the “we’re number one” gesture… Which they deemed as an infraction to the “no celebrating rule” and disqualified the team… THEN he came up with the “it was a religious gesture” excuse to try to change their minds… But FAUX News was definitely able to manpulate their highly conservative audience into believing it was religious persecution… If it came out that the kid is Muslim and was actually pointing to Allah… would you be in such a frenzy  I don’t believe you would, because FAUX News wouldn’t be trying to dupe you people into caring.

The team was disqualified for a celebratory gesture NOT religious prosecution… You people need to quit looking to FOX Snooze as actual unbiased news.

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rickcw Thumpmonkey KimmieSmith steveangll77  What I’m saying is he concocted the “I was giving thanks to God” AFTER they were disqualified for the gesture. Why can’t you admit that it had nothing to do with religion and they were disqualified for a celebratory act… I guess FAUX News has you under their spell.

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Thumpmonkey steveangll77 KimmieSmith and you liberals need to quit whining and crying and blaming others when things don’t go your way!

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rickcw Thumpmonkey steveangll77 KimmieSmith  Like the last election? Try again. Or do you still want to secede?

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rickcw Thumpmonkey steveangll77 KimmieSmith I also see an aweful lot of Conservative whining and crying and blaming others when things don’t go their way… including you… get over it… it wasn’t Religious persecution… It was a rule infraction… Save this gusto for actual religious persecution..

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Thumpmonkey rickcw KimmieSmith steveangll77 I’m saying that it’s a stupid rule…period…and that they were DQ’d and it’s a shame that the UIL ruled this a celebration whether he was giving thanks to God or saying they were #1.  Christians get enough persecution without using this as an example.    And I guess MSNBC has you under their spell?

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Thumpmonkey rickcw steveangll77 KimmieSmith stupid rule interpretation

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Thumpmonkey rickcw steveangll77 KimmieSmith seems like I’ve offended you…should we make a new law so you don’t get offended again?

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Thumpmonkey KimmieSmith steveangll77 and you know Tim Tebow?  He would play any position that they wanted him to play because that’s the kind of person he is, and that’s not the reason he was let go.  Have you watched Mark Sanchez play QB for the past 3 years?  He sucks!  How do you keep him and get rid of Tebow?  He might not be the QB they are looking for, but why did they sign him in the first place if they were just going to let him go after one year?  He was a disruption because he professes his Christian faith and he doesn’t care who he offends and this doesn’t fit in with the program.

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rickcw Thumpmonkey KimmieSmith steveangll77  Oh.. is that what FOX Snooze is telling you… must be factual then… yawn.

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rickcw Thumpmonkey steveangll77 KimmieSmith  hmmm… unusual tactic… What makes you think I’m offended?… I just think it’s fascinating that you believe this is religious persecution, and say that I’m the one who’s crying… Are you trying a mirror technique? how cute.

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Thumpmonkey rickcw KimmieSmith steveangll77 no…that’s what liberals do….if they don’t like or disagree with something, they need to pass a law because of a few offended people…if conservatives disagree, they are called biased and bigoted…just the facts…don’t need Fox news to tell me this…it’s just the way it is.  Here’s a good example…conservatives think that guns don’t kill people, but people kill people.  Liberals think that it’s the fault of the guns, so they think they can pass a law to stop people from killing people with guns….duhh….

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rickcw Thumpmonkey KimmieSmith steveangll77  I actually agree with you on the gun control thing… Laws aren’t going to do a thing about gun violence… But this story is a prime example of FOX News whipping conservative right wing fundamentalists into a furry with their twist on nonsense… If he would have flipped everyone off would you be screaming so hard about his freedom of speech… because that would also be his right to express… you can’t condone one and not the other…. This was an instance of rules of competition being broken… NOT religious persecution… This is sad for people who suffer REAL religious persecution.

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Thumpmonkey rickcw KimmieSmith steveangll77 typical liberal, making up facts just to make your argument. its funny really.

white531
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Thumpmonkey KimmieSmith steveangll77   In case you missed it, this is a Christian nation, not a muslim nation.  Not yet anyway.

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KimmieSmith steveangll77 As I said when you could not.  Thankfully they really softened this rule and do allow some celebration after a touchdown.
I would hope they would soften this rule in track as well.

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steveangll77 KimmieSmith gotta keep sports as it was meant to be or else we just give up all our rights and freedoms, one by one.  Nobody allowed to express any emotion or voice their opinions unless it complies with the dictators.  They want us to be like Spock or something, do not show emotion, this is most illogical!  Dang it all these liberal loons!!

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steveangll77 
If you think this is a stupid rule, then how can you say that you were offended by his finger raising?  Make up your mind!  You wouldn’t by chance be a Liberal, would you?

RosaLopes
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It is withing your power to stop all this evil.You must not allow any government to take away your freedom .For your own welfare stop is now before Marshall Law will come into affect (MAY6).

CBRN
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Write letters and emails people, please.
; ; ;

The Correctness
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The Correctness

If he would have crossed the finish line and said “I am a gay muslim yaaaay” he would have been a hero.

ToddCrabtree
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And Obama would have called him too!!

The Correctness
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The Correctness

If he would have crossed the finish line and said “I am a gay muslim yaaaay” he would have been a hero.

ChesterSimms
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I guess if he had said “Allah uh- Akbar,” they’d award them the state championship by default.

jb80538
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So if had  flipped someone off, it would have been ok?

Freddie12
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someone in the video said: ” you can’t even raise your hands above your head”.
Now take this talk there, the rule needs to be changed, there is a freedom of speech issue here.

Acts7
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I’ve searched every Texas UIL pdf / document / code of conduct / rules and I can’t find anything which states what was stated above.
This is as close as I find

Attempts to distract opponent during 
contests such as yelling or waving arms 
during opponent’s free throw attempt, 
serve, etc

Acts7
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I would like to see exactly what the rules state. I believe from a legal perspective this is a definite misinterpretation of the rules.
If it indeed states “The rule states no celebratory gestures including raising your arms” THEN HE HAS A CASE!
WHY?
He did NOT raise his arms. He raised ONE finger on ONE hand. He didn’t raise his ARMS plural.  
When the enemy starts pointing to the rules, throw the rules back at him!

lawngreen
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Acts7  The irony is strong. If you’re in the stands, you can raise both arms, “Twist and Shout”, pray, cry, insult the judge’s mother, but on the field hooo boy be a robot.
Can’t raise our arms? It’s not like there’s a deodorant shortage.

Golly. If you can’t raise your arms, there are a lot of churches I know that will be in trouble.

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Ya, I would like to see how the rule reads, too.  I’m a soccer referee, was certified by FIFA, now a member of S.A.Y., soccer association for youth in PA.  I think Acts7 is correct.  But it COULD fall into that grey area called “in the opinion of the referee”, in which case this would then get very sticky.

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Acts7 Depends on what the meaning of the word is is?
Come on that was just one example of celebrating.  One or both arms in celebration is a difference without a distinction.

Acts7
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steveangll77 Acts7 While it may be that was just one example… IFF the rule reads as this UIL judge stated, then the student was well within his “envelope” if you will.  While you may say the term is interchangeable… it is certainly a loophole that for such a severe punishment… would be worth arguing and mind you even successfully argued in a court of law. You and I could certainly agree that raising both arms in the air “chariots of fire style” is a HUGE difference as opposed to a quick point which is not even in celebration. We don’t even know if his hand was raised above his shoulders. It might have been a quick point from his waist where the hand would naturally be while running. Almost like a quick wave to mom. (interestingly enough, it could further be argued this was not a celebration but a “thank you”).… Read more »

franktsteele
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franktsteele

Go to their Facebook page and Blow it up!
https://www.facebook.com/txuil?fref=ts

WolfieUSA
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WolfieUSA

franktsteele 
Did just that!  TY!  smile

JenniferWebb
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JenniferWebb

franktsteele Good idea!

jonrusspowell
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I’m sorry. I’m a Christian (and a student at Southwestern Baptist Seminary) and played sports all throughout school, but if the rule says you can’t raise your arms, you can’t raise your arms. That’s why they were disqualified. If you don’t like the rule, then organize and get the rule changed. How does a judge tell if he’s raising a finger to God or doing the “#1 finger” to taunt his opponents? The kid had to know raising your arms was not allowed. Why do we as Christians think we can just do what we want in the name of “worship” and cry outrage and persecution when it doesn’t work out for us?

franktsteele
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franktsteele

jonrusspowell Ah, then you too are a pansy, can’t raise your arms because that is taunting?  you are as dumb as the UIL leadership.

jonrusspowell
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jonrusspowell

franktsteele What an inspired debate tactic! Name calling (with some interesting grammatical practices, too). I didn’t say I agreed with the rule. I think the rule is stupid. But it IS the rule. Like I said: don’t like the rule? Change it.

johntokalenko1947
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johntokalenko1947

jonrusspowell franktsteele  
Rules that are unjust should be neither enforced nor supported.  Collective punishment for the entire team?  Do you choose Christ, or Barabbas?

jonrusspowell
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jonrusspowell

johntokalenko1947 Your Christ or Barabbas comment is such a non-sequitur that I honestly have no idea what you mean or how to respond to it. However, you do realize that all penalties in team sports are collective punishments, right?

rickcw
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rickcw

jonrusspowell franktsteele we have no evidence, except in the opinion of the official who was offended, that the rule was broken.  you’re absolutely right…the rules should be changed if a young athlete(s) cannot celebrate after winning a race that sends them to the state final competition.  I’m sure glad we don’t have officials here in Michigan that would disqualify a teenage athlete for celebrating after such a feat.  My son and his basketball team would not have advanced to the state quarterfinals if they enforced such a stupid rule.  This is not “taunting” the opponent when you celebrate in such a way….obviously these people have never competed at such a level and actually won to advance further.  Former athletes should be in these positions of authority who make these judgment calls…because they understand the moment of victory.  Shame on the official who was offended and made this ridiculous call.

johntokalenko1947
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johntokalenko1947

jonrusspowell  
Are you a Christian, or a Pharisee?  It was the latter who kept spewing “the rules are the rules.”

jonrusspowell
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jonrusspowell

johntokalenko1947 Christ’s problem with the Pharisees was not that they were rule oriented, but that they believed following the law and all the additions they made to the law were the means of “earning” heaven. Thus, they were actually condemning the Jews to hell. I don’t see how this has anything to do with the discussion at hand.

Vondo
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One correction in your statement.
Yeshua came against the Pharisee’s because they added to His Word. He did not have a problem with them teaching Torah (Instruction, not Law), for he said “the pharisee’s sit in Moses seat, so do what they tell you, but do not do what they do”.  He (Yeshua) also said, “I did not come to do away with Torah, but to fulfill it”. So, when you look at this in context you will see that Yeshua was definitely against the add-ons, but by no means Torah.
Whether the authorities believed that the young man was taunting or was making a faith gesture is rediculous, especially if there is no rule specifically citing this incident.  Are they going to disqualify all who put their arms over their heads in some innocent gesture because they are fearful that there may be a taunt.
Since when does sports come to this? How sad.

jonrusspowell
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Vondo That’s a worthy distinction. However, I did not say that Christ was against the law. He obviously cam to fulfill the law. However, he stood against anyone who said that the way to be justified before God was through the law.

CBRN
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jonrusspowell – There is no such rule.  Please check your facts before you comment blindly on a subject you know nothing about. “We don’t think we can do what we want, we KNOW however we have certain rights that can not be denied, all the way maintaining our faith.  You son seem to be lacking a spine.

jonrusspowell
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CBRN And another personal attack. We have such great debaters today (though perhaps not great grammarians…). If there is actually no rule prohibiting a celebration like this, then fine. The judge should be disciplined and the win reinstated. I have no problem with that. But this post suggests (and the comments outright allege) that this was done purely in response to a “religious gesture.” More specifically, a Christian religious gesture. In reading this article and watching the video, there is nothing aside from the word of the father that that was the motivation. What evidence is there to support this allegation? This is more of my central point. We, as American Christians, tend to overreact a lot. And it actually hurts our cause. Constantly alleging religious bias where, at best, it exists ambiguously makes us not the boy who cried wolf, but the boy who does nothing BUT cry wolf. It… Read more »

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jonrusspowell CBRN Constantly?
Seems to me we constantly allow our rights as Christians to be walked all over.  We constantly allow laws to be enacted that destroy our freedom of religious expression.
This is an exception.  A rare case of a christian overreacting.
Of course if it turns out this judge was lying and there was no such rule.  Shame on him.  But these no celebration rules are very common in sports so that is unlikely.

CBRN
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jonrusspowell If you think I’m “attacking” you, then you are misguided.  I just so happen to completely disagree with you, and completely disagree with your stance on Christian rights and where we draw the line. I happen to draw the line at anything at all that infringes on the rights of Christians.  I happen to be passionate about this one because of the slippery slope nature of what is happening in our public school system.  I could really care less if you approve of that or not.  Apparantely I have also done a bit more diligence in reswarching the facts of this story.  Everybody acknowledged he was thanking God. Oh, and the decision can’t be reversed. The meet is over…UIL rules.  The only thing we can hope for is that it never happens again.  You may want to watch this, and perhaps read the narrative. http://www.kxan.com/dpp/news/texas/gesture-gets-high-school-relay-team-disqualified

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CBRN The narrative that says there’s no indication the decision was made on a religious basis and that further states it was not a UIL rule but a NFHS one thus proving there WAS a rule violation? Sounds like I was more correct in my ignorance than you were in your informed…ness. You say you draw the line at anything that infringes on the rights of Christians but have done nothing to prove that’s the case here. We have only the word of a kid. Is it not possible that he just screwed up and tried to cover it up like a lot of kids do? I don’t know that to be the case, obviously, because I wasn’t there and I don’t know this kid’s mind. But the difference between you and me is that I’m willing to admit that. And even if it was a sincere act of glorifying… Read more »

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CBRN jonrusspowell I guess we need to see the end of the race video which shows this excessive “act of celebration”, to debate this issue of breaking the rules, don’t we?  I read here that this young man disrespected the officials, and that was why they made the ruling.  Apparently, the young man “offended” them someway and this was his punishment.  It’s very sad that there are people like this in a position of authority where their decisions have such a detrimental affect on others, especially our high school youth.

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jonrusspowell 
No need to apologize for your opinion. ala “I’m sorry”
Everybody keeps saying “raising his arms” . He raised one finger on one hands. The difference between one and two is obvious. If the rule says no raising arms… then you can’t raise arms. It says nothing of arm or a finger on arm.  A quick point from the waist is a huge leap from fists in the air gloating.

white531
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jonrusspowell   Because once upon a time, we were a free Christian nation and we didn’t have all these rules.

Freddie12
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Freddie12

Read this and see where we are headed, unless we stop it.
1.The whole system of communism is Mass Murder. Howard Phillips -Conservative Caucus
2.The Legacy of Marxism is:  The Greatest Killing machine in all of History.  Dr. David Noebel 
          President Summit Ministries- Author- “Understanding the Times”
3.Communism-The Mass Murder  of more people in  times of Peace, then in all the wars of 
History combined. by Jim Simpson Former white house staff economist.
4.The Goal of Socialism is Communism.”  Vladimir Lenin
5.Socialism is still taught in many of our school systems, and most of our College and Universities.
6.Using Barney Fife’s words,  “Nip it, Nip it in the bud”
7. Its time to declare War on Socialism, and eliminate it from our Society.

From the video at:

   “Grinding America Down”

WolfieUSA
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He pointed up…  How do they know he’s not a follower of the “old religion” and was saying “thanks” to the Sun God from which, he believes all life on earth sprang?  
Ironic isn’t it… if he did turn out to be a pagan, he and all his team would immediately be reinstated with an apology…
Such is the world we somehow found ourselves living in today…

lawngreen
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I just sent this email to UIL administration personnel: ################################# ATT: Executive Director: Dr. Charles Breithaupt Deputy Director: Jamey Harrison Chief of Staff: Kim Carmichael Veronica Cantu     Marketing Director Susan Doherty     Executive Assistant Brenda Cerda Administrative Associate I am addressing all of you because this concerns your entire organization, and every member of UIL administration has a responsibility to see that this situation is dealt with. Although I am not a resident of Texas or in any way affiliated with any sport, I am writing to you because I am a Christian, and I am concerned that this incident is an attempt to stifle the free expression of mere faith in God. I have just read that on Saturday, a UIL judge in Kingsville, Texas disqualified the entire team of Columbus High School because one relay runner pointed toward Heaven as he crossed the finish line. Three points… Read more »

WolfieUSA
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WolfieUSA

lawngreen 
Well done and well said!

lawngreen
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lawngreen

WolfieUSA Thank you. Pushback is a necessity.

TruLevinian
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TruLevinian

I wonder what would happen if he pulled out a prayer carpet from somewhere and faced Mecca. Probably nothing at all. The ACLU would be all over that one.

stage9
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stage9

So where’s the communists at the ACLU on this one? After all, they came to the defense of a bunch of students in San Diego who were suspended for making a video on school grounds of students “twerking”. They even called the suspensions an overreaction. Will they come to the defense of these track runners? Don’t hold your breath.
Board to review ‘twerking’ suspensions
http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2013/may/01/twerking-students-suspension-dance-scripps-ranch/
And yes, I’m so out-of-touch, I too had to look up the word “twerking”.

WolfieUSA
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WolfieUSA

stage9 
You’re not alone… I didn’t know the word “twirking” until I saw the news article about it either… But I’m good with that! smile

white531
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white531

stage9 Stage, I suspect it is because the Communists and the ACLU are all about helping to destroy Christian morals and ethics in order to bring about the changes they seek in America to take us to a Communist government.
The video itself is disgusting, and anyone viewing it and not coming to the same conclusion is part of the problem.  I go with the school board.

white531
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white531

poljunkestage9Extremely suggestive dancing, mostly by young teenage girls.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvD5_T7aUCk

WolfieUSA
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WolfieUSA

white531 poljunke stage9 
No way I’m clicking that link, I’ll take your word for it! smile

Mominnv
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Mominnv

Course if this would have been a muslim praying to the east, it would have been perfectly fine, right?  I call BULL CHIT on this!

JohnFauxCheeseySmith
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JohnFauxCheeseySmith

The judge must be a real bits!

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