Rick Perry supported giving in-state tuition to illegals



Here’s another of Rick Perry’s issues from Pesky Truth‘s  great write-up called “Seventeen (17) things that critics are saying about Rick Perry“.  In fact this is one that I certainly have a problem with. While I may understand why they felt the need to give instate tuition to illegals, I just can’t get over the issue of the rule of law and how this does nothing to solve the problem of illegal immigration, but only rewards it.

Here’s the write-up:

This is true. Perry signed the bill six years ago. Under the law, any student who has lived in Texas at least three years and graduated from a Texas high school qualifies for in-state tuition. The law also requires noncitizens to apply for citizenship. “I’m for leaving the law like it is because I think it serves a good purpose,” Perry said. Texas was one of the first states to pass an in-state tuition bill for illegal immigrants. Ten states currently have such laws, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures. About 12,138 children of immigrants got in-state tuition in 2009, about 1 percent of students in Texas trade schools, colleges, and universities. Of that number, 8,406 were in community and technical schools, only 3,725 at universities, and 7 at health-related institutes. Read a good summary of the current status of this issue here at a Dallas Morning News  article.

Critics have said it gives a financial advantage to illegal immigrants while U.S. citizens who are not Texas residents still must pay out-of-state tuition rates, which are higher. Personally, I don’t like giving illegals a favorable tuition rate over other state’s legal residents. I understand his reasoning, but I don’t have to like it. I do think that there was some pandering to the Mexican immigrants (legal and illegal) behind the overwhelming votes for this bill.

As a measure of  Texas’ version of the “Dream Act,” popularity, it should be noted that it passed the Texas Senate with NO “no” votes – Perry was not out on a limb on this one, it was overwhelmingly supported. It should also be noted that the Texas “Dream” act should not be confused with the federal version. The Texas version relates to higher education only whereas the federal act would facilitate giving legal status to children who entered the U.S. illegally with their parents.

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100 thoughts on “Rick Perry supported giving in-state tuition to illegals

  1. @liz theiss Perry is not a dictator. Sometimes he can’t get the legislature to pass what he wants. He can’t over-rule them. We don’t want a dictator, even at the state level. He has a passion for securing the border and he doesn’t support amnesty. That’s the most he can do. Call your Texas legislators and get them to vote the way you want them to. Perry is a good conservative who’s been smeared by the Left, the Right, the RINOS. the news media, the uninformed, the ill-informed, the Paulbots, etc.  His record is very good and Texas is THE state prospering the most in this country. Texans enjoy the most individual liberty of any citizens in the nation.  Rick Perry is the ONLY governor fighting the Feds for states’ rights and the Tenth Amendment, as well as the First and Second Amendments. He’s fighting for the lives of unborn babies.  I’d vote for him anyday.

  2. @David Rogers You seem too hung up on this one thing. It hurts no one and helps everyone. It is prudent to make successful tax payers rather than poor needy welfare recipients out of kids brought her by adults, kids who had no say in how they got here and kids who the Feds will not deport nor allow Texas to deport.  If the Feds keep them here, we are all better off by educating them and keeping them from sucking our welfare coffers dry.  You don’t understand that Perry is smart and making lemonade out of lemons for the good of us all.  He’s the most conservative of all governors, whether you understand that or not. He just simply is. His record proves it.

  3. @Mary They are not given citizenship or free education. They are simply allowed to pay the same rate as any other Texas resident.

  4. I should have made another point about the unfairness to other students who are citizens.  Those students can get instate tuition in their own states. They don’t have to come to Texas for education.  Every student in the U.S. can get instate tuition in their own state. No one is denied over an illegal alien. We’re just allowing illegals to get instate in the state where they reside. We’re not giving them money or preference over other citizens. No student from another state expects to come to Texas and get Texas instate tuition.

  5. Illegal alien children who are residents of  Texas for three years and graduates of Texas high schools are allowed to pay Texas colleg tuition rates because those rates are for Texas residents, which they are and have been. The fact that they are here illegally is the work of the Feds who won’t secure the border nor allow Texas to deport them while mandating that Texas educate them from K through 12. So with this much investment in them already, no prospect of deporting them, we may as well allow them to pay the rate of the state where they reside, in the hopes they become successful tax payers, rather than poor on welfare, using our resources.  It’s prudent for Texas and Texans.  Furthermore, the Texas legislature passed this law so overwhelmingly that it was veto-proof. There was no way the governor could have vetoed it. However, he recognized that it was in Texas’ interest to allow these people to become educated productive residents, rather than uneducated welfare recipients. He made the best of a bad situation.

  6. While I disagree with the concept, here’s the truth: Under the law, any student who has lived in Texas at least three years and graduated from a Texas high school qualifies for in-state tuition. The law also requires noncitizens to apply for citizenship.

    If a student from one of the other 49 states (or 56 if you are the president) wants to establish TX residency for tuition purposes, they need to live in TX and be gainfully employed for one year. So, while illegals are getting some benefits, they are not getting an advantage over US citizens on this topic.

    1. Paul, let me explain the program to you.

      Perry wants to give $20,000 every illegal alien that asks for it.

      Rick Perry signed, and has aggressively defended, a law (HB 1403, 2001 legislative session) (http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/BillLookup/History.aspx?LegSess=77R&Bill=HB1403) that gives $20,000 to every illegal alien that wants the money.

      Then Perry bragged about it. (http://governor.state.tx.us/news/speech/10688/) “We must say to every Texas child learning in a Texas classroom, ‘we don’t care where you come from, but where you are going, and we are going to do everything we can to help you get there.’ And that vision must include the children of undocumented workers. That’s why Texas took the national lead in allowing such deserving young minds to attend a Texas college at a resident rate.”

      But the Texas law does more than that. It gives Texas grant money ($5,000 a year) to illegal aliens, on top of in-state tuition rates (which are below the national average). (http://www.harlingen.tstc.edu/FinancialAid/hbill1403.aspx , http://www.southplainscollege.edu/information-for/future-spc-students/financial-aid/hb1403.php)

      Only one other state (New Mexico) has a similar law (signed by Clintonista Bill Richardson).

      When questions were raised about the implementation of the 2001 law, Perry signed another in 2005 that doubled-down. (http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/BillLookup/History.aspx?LegSess=79R&Bill=SB1528) (http://www.window.state.tx.us/specialrpt/undocumented/undocumented.pdf , p.5)

      Since then, in the face of Republican attempts to reform or repeal the law in the 2007, 2009, and 2011 legislative sessions, Perry has staunchly defended this law.

      Faced with criticism of the law during the 2010 election campaign, Perry mis-stated the facts, and was busted for it. (http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2010/feb/14/rick-perry/perry-says-tea-checks-whether-undocumented-student/)
      (http://www.dallasnews.com/news/education/headlines/20100314-Number-of-illegal-immigrants-getting-in-9925.ece)

      Give this long record of repeated endorsement of subsidizing illegal aliens to a degree that no other state has matched, while others who are normally to his left (Romney, Schwarzenegger) vetoed much milder in-state tuition bills, I cannot in good conscience support Rick Perry.

  7. I may be wrong on this, but I don’t believe giving in-state tuition rates to illegals means giving them citizenship or a free education. They still have to pay for their schooling. Texas has also given in-state tuition rates to residents of Louisiana and New Mexico border communities, as well as Mexican Border citizens. I agree with Perry and many other Texans (Hispanics included), secure the Border first, then deal with illegals by giving them work permits or visas or whatever, if they have been here several years and not committed any crimes. But no blanket citizenship.

  8. He needs to step up on this, comment on the Presidents”amnesty” announcement late yesterday afternoon. This a problem for Perry for sure.

  9. He needs to step up on this, comment on the Presidents”amnesty” announcement late yesterday afternoon. This a problem for Perry for sure.

  10. Well no question he needs to fess up this one, I’m waiting to see what he says, particularly in light of the Presidents announcement that they will not prosecute and deport illegals.

  11. Well no question he needs to fess up this one, I’m waiting to see what he says, particularly in light of the Presidents announcement that they will not prosecute and deport illegals.

  12. I think E-Verify should be mandantory for colleges.
    Num 15:16 ‘There is to be one law and one ordinance for you and for the alien who sojourns with you.'”

    1. There is a problem with that, most universities are State schools and E-verify is a Federal system, tell me you cannot see a Tenth Amendment conflict there.

      1. The state can voluntarily use the e-verify program for every student. It would happen tomorrow if Rick Perry gave the word today.

        But Rick Perry isn’t interested in protecting us against illegal aliens.

      2. The state can voluntarily use the e-verify program for every student. It would happen tomorrow if Rick Perry gave the word today.

        But Rick Perry isn’t interested in protecting us against illegal aliens.

  13. So let me see if I have this straight:

    Based on a Blog post which I have already researched, and found this to be a very basis one sided argument, based on the Governor of Texas’s website, and Rick Perry’s own words, I am to believe and do the following:

    First I must forgive him for everything –

    1. Writing all the Executive Orders he does, and for especially writing one where he became the best parent in the world over the kids (daughters) of Texas.

    2. For giving Illegals In State Tuition

    3. For signing a law for Housing for ACORN

    4. For signing a law for Muslims about Halal food. ( I mean it is Texas, Beef Country, can’t have Muslims thinking their food isn’t butchered correctly)

    5. For Imminent Domain

    6. For writing a letter supporting TARP

    7. for taking the most Stimulus Funds besides two other governors.

    8. For putting Muslim education in the Texas Schools

    9. Signing an Agreement with the Aga Khan

    10. For having the Aggie Band give the sword Salute to the Ismali Muslim himself a Direct Descendant of Mohammad when he arrived in Texas

    11. For being against the Border Fence.

    12. For not saying anything about the two border patrol agents Ramos and Compean (if he did it sure isn’t available to see)

    13. For lying about the Teen Sex Scandal at the Texas Youth Commission, when he knew that Burzynski was working on it, and Johnny Sutton was involved.

    14. For being involved with Grover Nordquist.

    So now La Raza is Legitimate, CAIR is legitimate because they are an organization that deals with Muslim issues, being Illegal is legitimate, because after all you know he is giving them in state tuition, even though OUR AMERICAN SERVICE MEN AND WOMEN CAN’T HAVE IT, and he had no other choice. ACORN is legitimate, Executive Orders are Legitimate, so if Michelle says anything about your food, or Obama regulates you anymore you can’t say anything now, the Stimulus is Legitimate, TARP is now Legitimate, and if you say anything about Obama with any of these Issues your being a Hypocrite, cause you are willing to Give Rick Perry a pass.

    Think about it, many tea partiers and others have been screaming at Obama for almost 3 years over all of this stuff, and now because Rick Perry is running for governor it all must be forgiven or forgotten, because we have to again vote for the lesser of two evils.

    I honestly thought people learned their lessons about Progressives, and they were honestly telling the truth when they said NO we want our Constitution, Our Republic, and we will not do this anymore. Boy I sure was fooled.

  14. So let me see if I have this straight:

    Based on a Blog post which I have already researched, and found this to be a very basis one sided argument, based on the Governor of Texas’s website, and Rick Perry’s own words, I am to believe and do the following:

    First I must forgive him for everything –

    1. Writing all the Executive Orders he does, and for especially writing one where he became the best parent in the world over the kids (daughters) of Texas.

    2. For giving Illegals In State Tuition

    3. For signing a law for Housing for ACORN

    4. For signing a law for Muslims about Halal food. ( I mean it is Texas, Beef Country, can’t have Muslims thinking their food isn’t butchered correctly)

    5. For Imminent Domain

    6. For writing a letter supporting TARP

    7. for taking the most Stimulus Funds besides two other governors.

    8. For putting Muslim education in the Texas Schools

    9. Signing an Agreement with the Aga Khan

    10. For having the Aggie Band give the sword Salute to the Ismali Muslim himself a Direct Descendant of Mohammad when he arrived in Texas

    11. For being against the Border Fence.

    12. For not saying anything about the two border patrol agents Ramos and Compean (if he did it sure isn’t available to see)

    13. For lying about the Teen Sex Scandal at the Texas Youth Commission, when he knew that Burzynski was working on it, and Johnny Sutton was involved.

    14. For being involved with Grover Nordquist.

    So now La Raza is Legitimate, CAIR is legitimate because they are an organization that deals with Muslim issues, being Illegal is legitimate, because after all you know he is giving them in state tuition, even though OUR AMERICAN SERVICE MEN AND WOMEN CAN’T HAVE IT, and he had no other choice. ACORN is legitimate, Executive Orders are Legitimate, so if Michelle says anything about your food, or Obama regulates you anymore you can’t say anything now, the Stimulus is Legitimate, TARP is now Legitimate, and if you say anything about Obama with any of these Issues your being a Hypocrite, cause you are willing to Give Rick Perry a pass.

    Think about it, many tea partiers and others have been screaming at Obama for almost 3 years over all of this stuff, and now because Rick Perry is running for governor it all must be forgiven or forgotten, because we have to again vote for the lesser of two evils.

    I honestly thought people learned their lessons about Progressives, and they were honestly telling the truth when they said NO we want our Constitution, Our Republic, and we will not do this anymore. Boy I sure was fooled.

  15. I’m confused…

    “…give instate tuition” – from RS

    “…qualifies for instate tuition” – from article write-up

    Does Texas give children of illegals the money for tuition?
    Or.
    Does Texas make the children of illegals qualified to pay tuition at the instate rate?

    In reading through it all, it seems like the latter.
    Because of what was said about the unfairness to US citizen students from other states who have to pay the out-of-state rate.
    But I have read that before about Perry “giving instate tuition” to kids of illegals.
    Which is what is confusing.

    I’m for rounding up all the illegals and kicking them out!
    Which candidate will do that?
    *waves fists in the air*

    That said….I still think that Rick Perry could beat the socks off of Obama in the general.

    At least he seems to be tough on border security.
    And he has said that he wants to put “boots on the ground all along the border”.

    1. Obama said in a speech that legistically it would be impossible to round up all the illegals, and deport them, but don’t pay your taxes, and they will find you, and deport you to jail quicker than snot. Funny those legistics.

      1. See how soon the cops find a 6 yr old trying to sell lemonade without a permit ?
        And no LEA ever finds out hundreds of illegals living in a barrio , driving without DLs and insurance and registration to get their welfare and food-stamps ?

      2. I think the word you might be intending to use there, is ‘logistics’?
        🙂

        Yeah, I don’t like it either, Fredrick.
        As I said, I’d like to see them all rounded up and deported.
        But Perry is a much better Christian than I am, and seems to be more compassionate about it.

        The thing is…we don’t know if any of the other candidates would do things any different than Perry has.
        Sarah didn’t have to deal with this issue at all up in Alaska.
        I read where Alaska even has some ‘sanctuary cities’…is that true?
        If it is…did she try to change that when she was governor?

      3. There’s not 20 million people trying to do that, while hiding in a very, very impressive amount of secrecy.

      4. There’s not 20 million people trying to do that, while hiding in a very, very impressive amount of secrecy.

    2. At least he seems to be tough on border security.
      And he has said that he wants to put “boots on the ground all along the border”.
      ——–
      Wrong

      1. Eh?
        I’ve seen that video before, Cheezwhizz.
        And doesn’t he say on there that he wants to put “boots on the ground” to patrol the border?

        I used to be a big fan of the idea of a Fence.
        But then the ramifications of a fence started to be explained as to how that would punish farmers/ranchers all along our side of the border.
        They need access to the water in the Rio Grande river.
        Their cattle need it…they need it for irrigation.
        There are lots of species of wildlife which go back and forth across it, and also need it for drinking water.

        Even along the other portions of the border without the Rio Grande, it makes more sense to have boots and eyeballs patrolling it than have a fence.

        The bigger question is…which candidate would do a better job than Perry on this issue?
        Which other candidate has even had to deal with it?

    3. “I’m for rounding up all the illegals and kicking them out!”

      Only thing is, that’s highly unreasonable. It’s expensive and time-consuming. Instead of having patrols out wasting time and money looking for illegals, why not put them on the border and think of a better alternative.

  16. I had this disagreement with another friend yesterday. I’m from florida, we have the same problems. Here’s what I think. Trading citizenship for college is a good idea. These kids come in over an unprotected border that the Feds are supposed to help with and don’t; a Governor is stuck with the results. Not the kids fault, not the Governors fault.

    The choice then becomes giving them welfare and SS for life, or giving them a way to become productive CITIZENS. I think given Perry’s quandry, he did the best he could. We have to fix the borders before anything else, in the meantime we have to make sure that the return on investment is worth it. Do they become taxpayers or do they kill our systems as dreggs unable to compete and getting into trouble all the time.

    The only thing I would have done differently is to make them give 2-4 years in community service to pay back some of the tuition. Make them own american citizenship.

    We have to think…WWJD? The right answer is not always the easy or the popular answer. These kids aren’t to blame for what their parents did, they are innocents. We can’t let the circle to continue, must stop it somewhere, and this seems a good place to stop entitlement mentality to a mentality of service to your adopted country, service and production. I think Perry made the right choice – even if not quite strict enough towards intagration through public service in the parks, the police, the firerfighters or any number of hard hit service agencies.

    Perry is teaching them to fish. Thats a good thing.

    1. Perry is teaching them to fish.

      Perry is stealing fish from the buckets of those who have been fishing all day on a lake on their property,
      and giving it to those who are tresspassing on that property and breaking the windows of the house ,
      in the hopes that they will become Perry’s BFFs

  17. I can understand that there is a difference between states about what to do with illegal immigrants. How much do you trust that Perry will deny that same privilege on a national level? He could defer to the states, but these guys know if at all possible someone is going to grant amnesty because they want the votes and all these politicians prefer that they be the one that does vs being the one that doesn’t.

  18. I can understand that there is a difference between states about what to do with illegal immigrants. How much do you trust that Perry will deny that same privilege on a national level? He could defer to the states, but these guys know if at all possible someone is going to grant amnesty because they want the votes and all these politicians prefer that they be the one that does vs being the one that doesn’t.

    1. Well, we’ll see. Right now she’s not on the field.

      I’ll tell you what, I will support her or Romney, or Perry against obama.

  19. Look, I am not happy with this AT ALL. I admit that.

    I also have use the Levin prism: we need the most electable conservative. Romney has Romney-care, is establishment, believes in global warming, and you KNOW will not shake things up when/if he makes it to the White House.

    Bachman is great, but she won’t get the nomination.

    So who is left based on who is on the field? Perry. He’s going to have to answer for this, and perhaps he never will adequately, but he better check himself moving forward. In the meantime, all the Bushies are attacking him so he’s my pick. He has the best, OVERALL, record and conservative record needed to not just beat, but humiliate obama.

    1. My prism filters out Hussein. He is a one term president.

      The battle will be over the most progressive elephant the political elite can foist upon us.

      There always seems to be a fatal flaw in Republican “conservative” thinking. Always assume they need a big umbrella and will lose without compromise.

      The bright spot in Hussein beating McCain is that they turned the heat up so high we frogs jumped out of the pot. I am not about to find the “just right” lukewarm conservative to jump back in the pot for.

      “Raise a Banner of Bold Colors, Not Pale Pastels!”

  20. It’s No wonder he didn’t back Arizona. Oh we’ve all heard the rhetoric with him and the undue additional stress it would put on the police force yada yada. Obama will pound on him over this, and use it to his advantage.

  21. Issue I take with everyone who takes issue with this program is this…
    After the years the illegal alien has been in Texas before applying for College… where the hell was your concern then?
    Make it impossible for them to violate the laws for the length of time through enforcing the laws already in place before they can become eligible for the Texas Dream Act and then no one will have anything to complain about.

    1. Is taxpayer funded college education a right for illegals ?
      Is taxpayer funded college education a Constitutional obligation of the Fed/State towards illegals ?
      Once the illegals get free college education, which SS# and ID do they use to get a high paying job ?

      1. Guess you didnt know that Perry made sure that to get a Texas ID you have to go through background checks to make sure you are an American Citizen. Which also protects Texans from Voter Fraud since we have to show our ID’s at the polling places to vote thanks to Perry.
        Second place, TDA is not a grant and therefor is not funding for illegal aliens.
        And last, im not aware of any grant money set aside for illegal aliens.
        Let me know when you find one?

        The TDA is an act with no teeth on it and isnt worth the paper its written on.
        It’s just a symbolic action that is whatever someone wants to make of it.
        You want to claim it makes him into a liberal
        Someone else can use it to make him seem like he is against illegals because it only applies to illegals who have been enrolled in Texas Schools for 3 years and has either a GED or High school diploma.

        Now if Perry had signed Grant funding for illegal aliens… we would all have an issue with him.

        1. So in TX,
          illegals don’t have stolen /forged/multiple IDs and DLs and SS# ? Really ?
          Also in TX, when an illegal gets in state tuition and then gets qualified for free college too, who pays for the illegal’ s freebies?
          Which brings me back to my questions about the legality of favoring illegals over citizens :
          Is taxpayer funded college education a right for illegals ?
          Is taxpayer funded college education a Constitutional obligation of the Fed/State towards illegals ?
          Perry is wrong on this issue. He is an amnesty shill. I’m sure if ever there is any talk of the border to be secured, HE WILL OPPOSE IT

          1. Your opinions are contrary to facts in play already.
            Perry has done everything he can do legally as Governor to increase security on the border.
            Perry has also been to too many funerals of people who have died over illegal aliens.
            I got no doubts when you place a bill in front of Perry regarding border enforcement which way he is going to sign.
            Thing is, where you are looking for “any sign he is doing something”
            Perry is concentrating more on the solutions to the problems. I.e., making the federal government do their damned job.

            By the way, regarding amnesty. Perry is on record for publically stating amnesty is a quote “Asinine” idea

            1. Perry wants to give $20,00) every illegal alien that asks for it.

              He opposes e-verify even for state workers. He hasn’t implemented e-verify even in his own office.

              He appointed a Democrat to the Texas Supreme Court in 2001 (who ran as Republican, after making his first ever contribution to Republicans–a local club–the DAY BEFORE THE APPOINTMENT WAS ANNOUNCED) just so Perry could say he had appointed a Hispanic to the Court.

              Texas voters saw through that ploy and rejected Perry’s self-described “moderate” in the GOP primary.

              Perry is BY FAR the furthest left candidate on immigration (Obama included).

        2. Good point Mr. EMT. I live in Texas and we will ALWAYS have an illegal problem. It is what it is…what we do with them in the meantime is what we need to focus on. The criminals? Well, we hold them accountable. Our border to too large to hold without the federal help and we know we aren’t getting that. Soooo, Perry decides to help those that want to help themselves. I don’t like the fact that illegals are given any priority over another citizen student; however, the Governor didn’t call and ask my opinion.

        3. Perry did in fact sign Grant funding for illegal aliens.

          $20,000 per illegal alien. ($5/year.)

          Only Clintonista Bill Ruchardson (D-NM) has singed a similar law.

          As an active Republican in the Austin area, I know Rick Perry well. I think he will probably be the nominee. Many of my friends like him. He has many virtues.

          But he is so wrong on immigration I can’t support him. Out of the 50 active governors in the US, he is the worst. Of all the candidates (including Obama), he is the furthest-left on that issue.

          Rick Perry signed, and has aggressively defended, a law (HB 1403, 2001 legislative session) (http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/BillLookup/History.aspx?LegSess=77R&Bill=HB1403) that gives $20,000 to every illegal alien that wants the money.

          Then Perry bragged about it. (http://governor.state.tx.us/news/speech/10688/) ” We must say to every Texas child learning in a Texas classroom, ‘we don’t care where you come from, but where you are going, and we are going to do everything we can to help you get there.’ And that vision must include the children of undocumented workers. That’s why Texas took the national lead in allowing such deserving young minds to attend a Texas college at a resident rate.”

          But the Texas law does more than that. It gives Texas grant money ($5,000 a year) to illegal aliens, on top of in-state tuition rates (which are below the national average). (http://www.harlingen.tstc.edu/FinancialAid/hbill1403.aspx , http://www.southplainscollege.edu/information-for/future-spc-students/financial-aid/hb1403.php)

          Only one other state (New Mexico) has a similar law (signed by Clintonista Bill Richardson).

          When questions were raised about the implementation of the 2001 law, Perry signed another in 2005 that doubled-down. (http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/BillLookup/History.aspx?LegSess=79R&Bill=SB1528) (http://www.window.state.tx.us/specialrpt/undocumented/undocumented.pdf , p.5)

          Since then, in the face of Republican attempts to reform or repeal the law in the 2007, 2009, and 2011 legislative sessions, Perry has staunchly defended this law.

          Faced with criticism of the law during the 2010 election campaign, Perry mis-stated the facts, and was busted for it. (http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2010/feb/14/rick-perry/perry-says-tea-checks-whether-undocumented-student/)
          (http://www.dallasnews.com/news/education/headlines/20100314-Number-of-illegal-immigrants-getting-in-9925.ece)

          Give this long record of repeated endorsement of subsidizing illegal aliens to a degree that no other state has matched, while others who are normally to his left (Romney, Schwarzenegger) vetoed much milder in-state tuition bills, I cannot in good conscience support Rick Perry. Thus, I turn to equally conservative, but less prominent and less likely to prevail candidates.

        4. Well, as it turns out, Rick Perry DID sign Grant funding for illegals.

          $20,000 for every illegal alien who wants it.

          Rick Perry signed, and has aggressively defended, a law (HB 1403, 2001 legislative session) (http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/BillLookup/History.aspx?LegSess=77R&Bill=HB1403) that gives $20,000 to every illegal alien that wants the money.

          Then Perry bragged about it. (http://governor.state.tx.us/news/speech/10688/) ” We must say to every Texas child learning in a Texas classroom, ‘we don’t care where you come from, but where you are going, and we are going to do everything we can to help you get there.’ And that vision must include the children of undocumented workers. That’s why Texas took the national lead in allowing such deserving young minds to attend a Texas college at a resident rate.”

          But the Texas law does more than that. It gives Texas grant money ($5,000 a year) to illegal aliens, on top of in-state tuition rates (which are below the national average). (http://www.harlingen.tstc.edu/FinancialAid/hbill1403.aspx , http://www.southplainscollege.edu/information-for/future-spc-students/financial-aid/hb1403.php)

          Only one other state (New Mexico) has a similar law (signed by Clintonista Bill Richardson).

          When questions were raised about the implementation of the 2001 law, Perry signed another in 2005 that doubled-down. (http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/BillLookup/History.aspx?LegSess=79R&Bill=SB1528) (http://www.window.state.tx.us/specialrpt/undocumented/undocumented.pdf , p.5)

          Since then, in the face of Republican attempts to reform or repeal the law in the 2007, 2009, and 2011 legislative sessions, Perry has staunchly defended this law.

          Faced with criticism of the law during the 2010 election campaign, Perry mis-stated the facts, and was busted for it. (http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2010/feb/14/rick-perry/perry-says-tea-checks-whether-undocumented-student/)
          (http://www.dallasnews.com/news/education/headlines/20100314-Number-of-illegal-immigrants-getting-in-9925.ece)

          Give this long record of repeated endorsement of subsidizing illegal aliens to a degree that no other state has matched, while others who are normally to his left (Romney, Schwarzenegger) vetoed much milder in-state tuition bills, I cannot in good conscience support Rick Perry.

    2. So..because the governments failed at their job at enforcing the laws because of pro-illegal immigration administrations for the past 23 years we should just forgive their crimes?

      1. You got that from nothing I said.
        That is your own conclusion and your own solution.
        And not one I agree with.

    3. “where the hell was your concern then?”

      Did history begin yesterday for you? You are aware that people on the border states, and people who are normal, hard-working citizens, and people on the center-right in general, and of course Libertarians and the hard right ALL have been making a big deal over this issue for decades, right?

      That’s where the concern was “then.”

    4. Well, if Rick Perry would mandate e-verify or advocate for tough laws like the ones Arizona and South Carolina and Oklahoma have, we wouldn’t have so many illegal immigrants.

      But Rick Perry doesn’t *want* to control the border.

      Maybe he wants Texas to be more like Mexico. Maybe his business buddies make too much $$$ exploiting illegal aliens.

      Maybe there is some other reason.

      But Rick Perry is to the LEFT of Obama on this issue. And that takes some work.

  22. The Texas version relates to higher education only
    ————-
    aaaaaand…WHO PAYS for their ‘higher ‘ education ?
    Also WHO PAID for their ‘ LOWER ‘ education ?

    1. the federal act would facilitate giving legal status to children who entered the U.S. illegally with their parents.
      ————
      Thats because immigration is a fed issue , the state of TX can NOT give US citizenships to illegal mehicans ..duh !!

  23. It’s PAVLOVIAN. It’s like the Henny Penny at the fair. The chicken trips the lever and gets corn rewards. No give aways and no rewards for illegal. behavior or it’s legacy.

  24. It’s PAVLOVIAN. It’s like the Henny Penny at the fair. The chicken trips the lever and gets corn rewards. No give aways and no rewards for illegal. behavior or it’s legacy.

  25. In NC instate is higher than out of state and that sucks, it should be the opposite!!!!!!!!!! They just need to send all illegals back and no more hand outs to them anymore !!!! Take our america back and get rid of these people that could care less about us. Our country could do fine if we got rid of all illegals from all countries and get America back hell there are more people from other countries here than there are Americans. It is sickening. You dont go to other countrie and just stay and they pay everything for you. Thats why everybody comes here. NOw we are broke and cannot take care of our own. The elderly made this country from scratch and now we cannot help them for these thugs, no counting all the other sickening frauds obama has done to us. America can not take care of everybody on this earth!!!!!!!!!! Wake up people!!!!!!!!!!! We have got to start sayin NO and meaning it . If the laws we already have were inforced we would not be in this mess.

  26. ‘Let me be clear’….No, seriously-

    I understand this guy is a RINO, and I was as concerned because I don’t really trust him….but there are a few realizations I made recently, and I have come to terms with the fact that I will likely be supporting him for POTUS-

    1.) He will absolutely take it to Obama which is what we need-

    2.) GOP establishment, after the Iowa event, immediately sent out news that Christie might get in and that Ryan was being begged to jump in by the establishment elite–this tells me that the GOP doesn’t want Perry because they are trying to bait Republican voters with more attractive offers. They are desperate now because they’ve used every other card they had and the Tea Party bloc of the Republican party has not taken the bait. We don’t want any more Boehner-esque Republicans- the can COABODAD

    Since I don’t want the GOP and their spineless, cowardly, possibly complicit with Dem Socialists, I’ll take the alternative to them- and it will likely be Perry. Perry/Cain is something I can work with.

    1. Perry got in because Bachmann and Paul were gaining traction. Notice Bachmann is already being considered as “peaking” not even a WEEK from her win against Romney, Pawlenty, etc….

      Think Americans…it’s US against THEM. Establishment against TEA Party. I’m not a Ron Paul supporter because of his foreign policy positions and the weird 911 truthers and neo nazi’s that are always hanging around the fringes, but we are being herded to the candidate that THEY want for us. Vote for the MOST conservative, independent candidate no matter who they are. Look at their voting record, not what they SAY. Perry will SAY anything and right after the election completely do a 180 as he did on the border. Total reversal…in fact, called it idiotic.

      1. Bachmann is blowing it IMO. She is out there on the stump basically implying “I’m Sarah Palin”. It’s embarrassing.

          1. And standing in the house chamber shouting “Gangster government” is not the same as taking the three largest oil execs to court, making them eat crow.

        1. Because Sarah Palin keeps telling everyone she used to be a Federal Tax law attorney? Maybe because Sarah Palin keeps telling folks about the number of kids she has and has also fostered? Or maybe because of all the work Sarah Palin has done in congress?

          It’s hard to choose from all of those “implied” similarities, isn’t it?

      2. Bachmann has peaked twice already— all candidates have a high point when they get in and then it fades….

        I don’t like her as a candidate….she strikes me as a power mad control freak that jumps in front of the mic at any chance she gets and thinks the tea party idea revolves around her.

        No one else in the field does anything for me, and as much as I think Perry is a creepy career politician, he has shown in the little time he’s been in the campaign, that he’s going to put up a fight that will be effective against both Hilary and Obama- regardless of whether or not there is a primary on the left.

        I’m looking for a candidate that can win against either- and Bachmann is not it, neither is anyone else for that matter. Christie would have been the best choice to win, but he’s a bad choice due to the fact that we can not risk judicial appointments and the repeal of Obamacare. So, I’m left with Perry.

      3. AJ said he was being set up three years ago to run. After Bilderberg, inside information was given. Pretty good for calling it three years ago. The media is so transparent to me now, that it isn’t difficult to see what they are doing. They choose the candidates by promotion prior to the elections. Then they build up certain ones, then tear them down as time goes by. Then, just in the nick of time, out comes the savior. I think Ricky is it this time. Romney all but gave up in the last debate. If you watch this clip, you can see how the media almost word for word has the same agenda.

        1. That clip reminds me as a kid at the local park where the team captains pick all the other players, and the last two waiting to be picked stand there homeless cause no one wants them on their team.

          1. Not only that, but the people picking the teams conspired to leave them in the dust. Three different news shows had the same exact talking points at the very same time. They are making it way too obvious.

          2. Not only that, but the people picking the teams conspired to leave them in the dust. Three different news shows had the same exact talking points at the very same time. They are making it way too obvious.

              1. Most people don’t pick up on it because they don’t watch three news shows at the same time. Americans have bought into the left/right paradigm so hard that they discount what one show says, and listen to the other. They create a mental block that causes them to miss things.

        2. The “disappearing” Romney act following the last election baffled me a bit but it is clear he has modulated his presentation to being a nondescript, doughboy and only showed some fiber when that “heckler’ (planted?) had an exchange with him last week. That’s the best he can do?? I don’t like that brand of stealth. During the run-up to McCain being shoe-horned in, last time around, Romney appeared to be folding. Scrpted? Maybe. So far, it’s wait and see regarding Perry but I am encouraged by watching and listening to him recently, he has some charisma and he might be the cowboy for the next roundup. If he maintains his stance on the Fed being audited that’s light years ahead of other candidates, declared or not, who simply won’t touch the subject. I’m starting to think Palin won’t declare, not sure, except she’s got to serve the wine when it’s time and people are getting impatient with the, “I’ve got to consult with the family” answer.

          1. I think that his “audit the Fed” statement is his way of appealing to the rising tide of Fed critics. Somewhat like when he used the word “succeed”. Barry knew exactly what Dems and Independents wanted to hear. “Get out of the wars”. “I won’t continue the Patriot Act”. Etc. These guys are professional liars. They literally have people doing societal phycho-analysis to determine which way the wind is blowing. It is quite scientific. People like us are just am matures compared to these guys.

            Perry’s problem is that he has been flopping around too long, and he is predictable. Though only to his critics, which happen to be the most ardent of watchdogs. Americans, largely, support politicians based on emotional response. We do many things in the same manner. As Barry is burning himself out, much of the country is getting desperate for change. Desperation leads to emotional hunger for something. Therefor a certain block of voters will respond emotionally to certain statements.

            Americans can literally feel our freedom being taken from us. We know, at least subconsciously, that bad things are coming. The majority of Americans don’t know exactly why, and that lack of knowledge leads to fear. That fear coupled with desperation makes a person susceptible to being sucked into supporting someone who says “we gotta go get em”. That could be referring to Obama, the Fed, or even terrorists. 911 had the same effect. It created fear and uncertainty and instantly created a response of “lets go get em”. Bush’s approval rating shot through the roof.

            The problem is that eventually the emotional response wears off. By the time we were engaging in the second war, everything had changed. By the time Bush left office his approval ratings were in the 20s. The left and independents were desperate for a change. Some constitutional conservatives as well.

            So here we are at the cusp of another election where the president is now hated as well as the last one was. His approval ratings are dropping and the next savior is being built up. They key sign of the worst guy you could support is the one who the media generally supports. The media has already begun to slowly criticize Barry, and, I believe, set up and give a general pass to Perry.

            Perry knows that the Fed is a subject that independents and conservatives want to hear about. If he stays on his current course, and the media continues to snowball Ron Paul, Perry will dominate. We will end up with a president who will break most all of his promises just as the last two did.

            Consider the Osama Bin Laden killing. Barry was slipping and people were getting tired of the wars. Barry needed it, and the wars needed it. Last year I watched an interview of one of Barry’s aides saying “short of an Oklahoma City event, Obama will have a hard time getting elected”. Even Beck said that they were setting up another event. False flag events, such as Fast and Furious, are a fairly common tool for governments. Such was also the case in the London Bombings. They were practicing a drill at the same time and places that it took place.

            Personally, I am looking for another false flag event to take place. With all the rhetoric and propaganda about Iran getting a dirty bomb, my biggest fear is that they will set up another false flag using a dirty bomb. You must admit, people respond in ways that can be completely controlled from both ends. Problem, reaction, solution. The create the problem, cause a reaction, then offer the solution. The solution is what they wanted to start with. Pearl Harbor, the Gulf of Tonkin, 911, the underwear bomber, and ? is next. They don’t have to carry out the event, just let it happen. Sometimes they do set it up.

            So Perry attending Bilderberg has a different meaning for me than many others.

            1. LOL- sorry, didn’t read past the first few lines, but I have to comment that the image you are constructing in my head is of the South Park episode where Lois debates the Mayor and she learns how to manipulate the crowd…..I see it in my head when some of these guys are talking, and Perry gave me that vibe during his speech—–his giveaway (if you’re right) is that he’s using them all at once, one after the other…… Right now, I still think he’s the most likely to win……and I would take that over another Obama presidency any day of the week.

              found the clip

            2. Your points are very good. I remain a skeptic. It’s in my dna regarding politicians and Perry is skilled at politics. I may end up feeling reluctant in voting for the “lesser of”, but in this upcoming election I want a change and I will vote for it because Obama is Ghenghis Khan on a rampage. He MUST be stopped, then details can be dealt with. In other words, it’s time for life flight and hope for a recovery. Thanks for sharing.

        1. Yes, but then I come thinking that Perry is of the mind set he wants to “save the country”. He would likely go for broke on all issues, which is what we need to happen.

        2. I think Barry is spent, and Perry will be the new messiah. Barry staying in would create some real problems. They probably aren’t ready to let it collapse yet. They will probably put Perry in, then keep the austerity going for a while.

          McCain threw the election. I don’t think Perry is in it to lose.

    2. I don’t buy this. If anything, they’re trying to keep Sarah out. Two candidates currently in the race are candidates Sarah endorsed. Ryan is another one Sarah has been out front with. They can’t control Sarah, but they’re trying like hell.

      1. That could be probably is true- If Sarah does run, she will win the primary…I have little doubt of that. I think if Hilary runs, SP would lose, which is why I want a candidate that can win regardless of the gender of the opponent.

        If I were guaranteed an Obama run, I would take the risk with SP- but I don’t see Hilary staying out if she smells blood in the water, and I’m sure she is strategizing.

        1. I don’t buy this either. Hilary entering the race would be a gender change. Other than immigration, Hilary Clinton is Obama is a skirt. I want to give Sarah a chance to enter the race. Lets see how she will debate. She knows the issues, She isn’t locked down in Alaska, and she isn’t stumping for anyone this time around. When She debated Biden, it has only been three weeks from when she was plucked from abscurity. She handled herself pretty well against a 30 + year lawyer/senate veteran defending a man she hardly knew, but who her opponent knew intimately. This game is nothing like the last one.

          1. Sorry, but it doesn’t matter what the truth is to the uninformed independents and moderates—- Hilary is going to be the new safe haven from Tea Party “radicals” if she runs and will be equally safe for the women vote-

            SP vs Hilary would, IMO, guarantee a loss. SP vs BO would play out differently. I agree with you about the debate vs Biden…. I thought it was great, especially because Biden did seem to actually get PO’ed during some points, but Hilary will dominate of foreign policy and there will be a stark difference in perceived experience and professionalism. The snarky things she was able to say with Biden will be useless vs such a seasoned lying politician.

            I do agree that she should enter the race…..at the very least we need to rid the primary of the GOP throwbacks.

            1. You do touch on a huge problem in this country, the uniformed. I’m an Independent from bay area California, but I’m not a pop culture sheep. That’s why I’m an Independent. If other Indi’s are anything like me, Sarah’s got a good chance.

            2. Sarah will use two very important things against Hillary..Hillary said in the primarys against Obama that she was a Modern Progressive, pretty darn dirty word now, and Hillarys university thesis was on Saul Alynski..those are damming in Americas eyes, Sarah will outshine her every which way!

    3. I don’t buy this. If anything, they’re trying to keep Sarah out. Two candidates currently in the race are candidates Sarah endorsed. Ryan is another one Sarah has been out front with. They can’t control Sarah, but they’re trying like hell.

      1. Possible….maybe even probable- I don’t know about who they will choose as the VP, but if there is indeed a grooming of candidates, I know Rubio is one of them.

        Rubio has kept his distance from anything Tea Party right after the election which tells me that he was being positioned. Then if you go back, remember that there was a controversy regarding his spending out of some GOP funded credit cards or something. He was visibly nervous when pressed on it, and politics being what they are, there was likely something to hide. Maybe the GOP covered it up, but at a price. I could see it happening, and I know that if an establishment guy gets the top of the ticket, they will need someone like him (Rubio is the likely choice) to bring enough Tea Party votes….but the way things are going with the establishment GOP, it doesn’t look like the Tea Party people are going to support any DC guy. Especially with their recent failures and open submission to Dems during the debt debates and even the Israel thing which can only be bad for the establishment DC people (Dems or Reps).

  27. ‘Let me be clear’….No, seriously-

    I understand this guy is a RINO, and I was as concerned because I don’t really trust him….but there are a few realizations I made recently, and I have come to terms with the fact that I will likely be supporting him for POTUS-

    1.) He will absolutely take it to Obama which is what we need-

    2.) GOP establishment, after the Iowa event, immediately sent out news that Christie might get in and that Ryan was being begged to jump in by the establishment elite–this tells me that the GOP doesn’t want Perry because they are trying to bait Republican voters with more attractive offers. They are desperate now because they’ve used every other card they had and the Tea Party bloc of the Republican party has not taken the bait. We don’t want any more Boehner-esque Republicans- the can COABODAD

    Since I don’t want the GOP and their spineless, cowardly, possibly complicit with Dem Socialists, I’ll take the alternative to them- and it will likely be Perry. Perry/Cain is something I can work with.

  28. Yes & TX. provides access to grant/scholarships for illegals also.Perry beat White for gov. in the last election for governor had Jocelyn Johnson appear in an ad on behalf of her husband Rodney Johnson who was shot in the back by an illegal alien. Then we get Sanctuary city bill on the emergency must-pass agenda in the TX. legislature. It got stalled. The Cheap labor lobby blocked it. The politicians pulled every trick in the book. Where was Perry? PERRY HAS NO PASSION FOR THIS ISSUE…SWEAR TO GOD STICK A NEEDLE IN MY EYE.

  29. Yes & TX. provides access to grant/scholarships for illegals also.Perry beat White for gov. in the last election for governor had Jocelyn Johnson appear in an ad on behalf of her husband Rodney Johnson who was shot in the back by an illegal alien. Then we get Sanctuary city bill on the emergency must-pass agenda in the TX. legislature. It got stalled. The Cheap labor lobby blocked it. The politicians pulled every trick in the book. Where was Perry? PERRY HAS NO PASSION FOR THIS ISSUE…SWEAR TO GOD STICK A NEEDLE IN MY EYE.

  30. Dick Perry is a Moron. Perry is an Owned Corporatist that did his part to flood Texas with as many illegals as possible.

    1. Yes, he lets them into Texas so they can fill all of the jobs big business created just for them.

      1. He’s on video saying that he doesn’t believe that Americans will do the jobs illegals do. I can provide the link if you don’t believe me. He’s a big government Establishment politician. He’s my governor and believe me, he is NOT a conservative. He will say anything to get elected and then do what he wants.

        1. That is true. Americans have become fat, lazy pigs. Most of us wouldn’t even consider the hard, grueling work they do, farming, house-building, sanitation work etc.

          1. They would if they paid what they’re supposed to pay, not artifically low because of illegal workers. Listen, this isn’t going to get solved overnight, but illegal aliens are nothing but indentured servants. They are the slaves of our generation. Most of us don’t have to do those kinds of jobs, but we would if we had to.

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