Sen. Ted Cruz also supports temporary legalization status in the immigration bill

Sen. Ted Cruz introduced an amendment to the current immigration bill back in May that would have removed the path to citizenship from the bill completely. But it also supported the same temporary legal status (RPI status) that is already in the bill that Sen. Marco Rubio has been discussing. And even more than that, it also supported permanent legal residency status as well.

Now if you happen to believe that temp legal status is amnesty, as some of you have suggested, then I guess that means Ted Cruz supports amnesty. But that’s not what it is. It isn’t amnesty. It’s temporary legal status that can’t move on to permanent legal residency status without the border being secured. The whole point of temporary legal status is to get people out of the ‘shadows’, which is what Cruz says in the video below.



He discusses at around 3:40:

 

Here’s a video we posted yesterday where he mentions the same RPI status at around 14:03:

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John_Frank
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RS, thank you for this post. A couple of thoughts: – Merriam Webster defines the word amnesty as follows: “the act of an authority (as a government) by which pardon is granted to a large group of individuals” http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/amnesty – The purpose of Senator Cruz’s amendment may have been designed to bring illegal aliens ‘out of the shadows’ while making it clear that those who were granted temporary residency status would only be eligible for permanent residency status, but not citizenship, once certain criteria relating to border security and interior enforcement were satisfied. However, the granting of temporary residency status (a pardon for the act of either entering the country illegally or being in the country illegally) to a large number of illegal aliens is by definition amnesty. – Yes, there are similarities to the position taken in the Schumer-Rubio bill. Under this bill, the purpose of granting temporary residency… Read more »

wodiej
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What did I say more than once? People were going gaga over Cruz without knowing much about him.  Gov. Sarah Palin is the real deal.  I question her intentions now that she has rejoined Fox news though.  But even on conservative blogs I don’t see widespread support for her.  What a shame.

JohnCraven
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I like Sarah Palin.
I just wish she would make up her mind what she wants to do.
She’ll likely never win the Republican nomination for president with “Tammy Faye” Boner running things unless she can’t mount a voter surge within the GOP to accomplish it.
She could win a third party conservative nomination but without third party conservatives in Congress to back her up that would be tough.
I think it would be a great  help if enough Congressmen got fed up with being in the GOP and formed a third conservative party within Congress prior to 2014 and then run a whole slate of candidates for election on such a third party ticket in 2016 including Sarah Palin for president.
John Craven – New Orleans

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Folks, it’s time to climb the hill and get over a bunch of this ‘no amnesty’ poppycock.  There are two issues driving folks into our nation, with or without documentation — opportunity to work, opportunity for taxpayer freebies (Open Wallets, not Open Borders).   Sometimes these work/freebies are conflicted, but anyone whose seen how hard some immigrants work (above or below the table) know most (not all) are hard working honest folks.   The bulk of our illegal immigration problem is related to a the equivalent of having a 25 MPH speed limit on economic freeways designed to run at 70 MPH, or higher.   When honest hard working folks enter that highway, trying to hold the speed at 25 MPH is flat out silly.  Anyone want to raise their hand who didn’t speed when the Democrats set the Interstate speed limit to 55?  The immigration problem is about the same.  Work… Read more »

K-Bob
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drderfc Looks like you have no clue what this issue is about.
We don’t have an “immigration” problem, we have an illegal alien problem.  Everything you’re discussing has to do with the crapola excuses people give for “fixing immigration.”
We’ll let them “fix” it after they secure the borders.

trouble06
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They keep saying, bring them out of the shadows. WHAT SHADOWS? They are out in the open. Anybody here know of any in the shadows? I see them opening new businesses, going to the grocery stores, renting homes, buying homes, you see them in the SS office, going to school, to churches, all going about their daily lives. WHAT SHADOWS?

wyatt99
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trouble06 I was reminded of that when one appeared to lecture legislators a few months back about how mean they were and outlined just how much he deserved..

Tamikosmom
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trouble06
What shadows?  Those who crossed the Mexican border illegally are empowered with entitlement compliments of Democrats and Republicans who advocate that they are privileged … that they are above the law.  There is no need to hide in the shadows.  That would imply that consequences are feared. 
What Would You Do if 200 Illegals Mobbed Your House
Jun 17 2013 // 3:03pm
Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach is calling for a criminal investigation after a huge mob of illegal alien supporters surrounded his private home Saturday and held a rally on his front porch.
At least 200 members of Sunflower Community Action were bused into Kobach’s Kansas City-area neighborhood on Saturday – to protest his staunch anti-illegal alien views.
http://foxnewsinsider.com/2013/06/17/todd-starnes-what-would-you-do-if-200-illegals-mobbed-your-house#ixzz2WWw9me8p

Debby
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They’ll be on a path to citizenship………..and the rest of us will be on the Highway to Hell!

Stehekin912
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Does anyone know where I can find a LIST of the members of Congress who are standing with Michele Bachmann, Louis Gomert and Steev King against the immigration bill?  I want to see if my representative is on the list or if I need to shoot him a letter posthaste

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Stehekin912 
http://www.numbersusa.com  go to their website. You should also sign up for their alerts.

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I thought I had read awhile back, that loopholes in the bill, gave DHS the power to blow off all the things being promised! I can’t remember all of it, but I thought mark talked about it too. It gives napolitano a way to wiggle out of controlling the border, illegals paying fines and taxes, etc.
How can republicans vote for this mess, trusting dems and this admin to do what is right?! Also, if their covered by obamacare, it’s more in the system and rewards for breaking the law. If their not covered, buisness will hire them over citizens since they don’t have to worry about healthcare. Either way, garbage! I love Ted Cruz, but I hope he’s not falling for something here.

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The onbly way I would be for this “temporary legalization status” (TLS) is if the illegals being given the TLS do not have the same work equality as Citizens do and do not get the right to vote until they have become legal citizens.  What I mean is right now illegals are in hiding doing low skilled borderline minimu wage type jobs, but as soon as the TLS passes and they come out of the shadows, they are going to want to be given the same work equality as law-abiding Citizens.  And we know that they are not going to settle for thos low wage unskilled minimum wage jobs anymore.  And since this all about the almighty “Vote” in the pocket of Liberals, every Democrat in Congress will yell racism so as to garner the millions of new TLS voters!  That’s my main concern. 
I yield the floor….

Conservative_Hippie
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I just want to add, that I still love Ted Cruz!

Keyes
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Conservative_Hippie 
Why do you want these illegals to stay here? It will be the end of our nation if they are given legal status.

K-Bob
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Keyes Conservative_Hippie   Well, let’s be clear: it’s only the end if they get to continue chain migration, and if any of them or those they bring in under chain migration get to vote.  That’s the major point. I’d be fine with them being legal temporary workers like all other countries have.  My favorite example is Germany.  You can move to Germany, have kids who grow up to have more kids, etc., and generations later, they still won’t be “German.” They won’t be able to vote. (They modified this in 2000 to allow for a naturalization process, but the requirements are strict) Nobody bats an eye at Germany’s policy.  It plays a huge factor in helping to retain their culture, despite the fact that they have tons of muslims and other nationalities there. I like to say that we should tell the leftist idiots they get to pick any European country, and… Read more »

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K-Bob Keyes Conservative_Hippie 
If they are on our soil, they are voting. Dems allow it.
Germany is not retaining their culture. muslims are taking over there as well. Read an article that there is one school that is mostly muslim now and native German kids are beat up all the time.

K-Bob
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Conservative_Hippie 
Doug Ross is hilarious.  He’s calling it “http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2013/06/call-gang-of-eights-amnesty-bill-what.html”

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Oh cr__. Oh s___. Here we go. Fancy dancing again.
Get them out of the shadows and into a bus headed BACK where they came from. Anything else is a front for amnesty. Amnesty today, amnesty six months after the election, no difference. You’re either for border security AND legal-only immigration or you’re for amnesty. “Temporary” legal status – yeah, right, sure, temporary until after the election.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIHJ9RMAVGI

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Does anyone think once any form of legal status is given it would be then possible to be taken away in the America of 2013?

lawngreen
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welltempered2   Not a snowball’s chance in he!!.

Keyes
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welltempered2 Precisely…and they could then send for their family members.

john11111
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“WASHINGTON — The State Department has hired an alarming number of law-enforcement agents with criminal or checkered backgrounds”.
Sounds familiar?
Khmer Rouge, Stalin, Mao  –  they all hired criminals to control the rest of the population

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john11111 Just wait until Obama releases his black felons.  He can do it all quietly with gag orders and really set revenge on white Americans.

K-Bob
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Orangeone john11111 Aside from the fact that your statement is a bit over the top, racially, it doesn’t really make much sense to me as long as we still have a second amendment.
Of course, if they somehow decide they can take that away, we’ll be in the middle of a war, so who cares about barack’s minions.

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K-Bob Orangeone john11111 It isn’t over the top racially K-Bob.  He has been very clear in his support of the NBPP wanting to kill cracker babies.  Have you looked at the releases CA has done?  What about the illegal aliens with serious criminal records his administration released on Americans?  And you think he won’t arm those felons with the millions of rounds of ammo DHS has been stockpiling and the firearms they are purchasing?

Orangeone
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Incarceration rate: 4,437 black males per 100,000 residents of same race compared to 678 whites and 1,775 Hispanic.  39.4% of the prison population is black. BTW, these are the way inmates are classified in the prison system.

K-Bob
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Orangeone Yeah, I’m up to speed on the details.  My point about over-the-top is that it’s better to discuss these highly volatile facts in extremely non-volatile language.  Better to go out of your way to be precise without triggering the usual flames induced by using factually-accurate, but volatile language.
Don’t get me wrong: we don’t have to be PC, but there’s little to be gained by being 180 degrees opposite of PC, unless you are in an actual confrontation (where it can be useful to make your opponent as mad as possible).

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How do U get in the shadows so I can get the Gov’t from spying on their citizens ??? Some politician just has to have the Ba**s to add they cannot vote for 10 years. Give them legal status, freebies, healthcare BUT cannot vote for 10 years and must be able to speak English within that time frame. Problem solved !!!!! remember the GOP, RINOS only supporting this because they think (and they are wrong again) they can get enough Hispanics to replace the TP conservatives in this country. Anything else is BS

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Longiron Rewarding 33 million illegal aliens will brings hundreds of millions more illegal aliens.  I’d like to see you go to the families that have been harmed by illegal aliens and tell them you want the illegal aliens to remain in this country.  Go to the 20 million Americans that can’t find jobs because illegal aliens work for cash. Then go to the Americans that lose their jobs because of ObamaCare and an illegal alien is hired, the employer is paid $3,000 to do it, the employer doesn’t have to provide health insurance for the illegal alien. Go to those Americans that lost their jobs and tell them that it’s a good thing to reward law breakers. BTW, would you like to pay for their freebies, their education, their health care?  You can have my share and the tax burden for millions of other Americans. Their cost is almost $10… Read more »

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There are a lot of things Im asking here. How many illegal immigrants are there if they are apparently in the ‘shadows’?  Some places say 10 million, 20 million, or highest I’ve seen is 50 million. I’ve always read its one those numbers but I never learned or read the report on how they tabulated that number?

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pmb88 
No one knows, but if you give them legal status, they can send for family members…which means one illegal will send for at least 5 folks.

cabensg
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Piss on the whole Damn thing there are no good parts to support. I could care less if they come out of the shadows or stay in the shadows, when we find them deport them. We need to secure the border and apply current law and deport those we find as we find them. THAT’S ALL.

strangernfiction
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cabensg Those that try to convince you that it’s more complicated than that are at best behaving cowardly.

poorhardworker
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off topic:  I just saw this on Drudge:  http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/criminals_hired_by_state_dept_nJMKeYl5ZQEI5UsEytHoOM

strangernfiction
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poorhardworker Criminals hiring criminals. Who knew?

lawngreen
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poorhardworker   What the heck, their boss was hillary. There’s a criminal for you. Talk about a checkered past….

strangernfiction
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Cruz is the best a statist party has to offer.

Laurel
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I see what Cruz is saying but I gotta ask…What shadows? Illegal immigrants are employed at every level of our society. They aren’t just picking lettuce. They are in our schools. they are in our emergency rooms. They are getting mortgages.
WHAT SHADOWS????
CAN I BE A PART OF THOSE SHADOWS? HOW DO I DO IT? Then NSA can’t spy on me.

trouble06
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Laurel A Sorry Laurel, I went on almost the same rant as you.

Laurel
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trouble06 Laurel A No apologies necessary.

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Someone needs to tell the mobs that hang out in portions of my cities (en masse) that they need to go back and hide in the shadows where they belong. They seem more emboldened these days… I realize something needs to be done… and that this insanity has gone on for decades. Whatever is done is going to cause anger from either side. My major concern (other than the fact that these illegal aliens broke our laws and infest our cities) is that the momentum is now with the democraps… who have proven time and again to be unreliable and sinister in their intentions. They want this because it will upset balance in our country, it provides an influx of fresh, uneducated democratic voters to exploit, it benefits the Fing unions, and many other reasons. I adore Ted Cruz and feel he has a handle on most things. But to… Read more »

misterlogic0013
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Come on Cruz .. what shadows ?? their everywhere, every street corner, cutting your lawn right now .. what shadows? get a grip Cruzy .. stay strong ..

DHardy
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Looks like Cruz just stepped in a pile of Rubio’s crapp

The Sentinel
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DHardy 
Priceless.

john11111
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50+ million of DNC voters, no border security…
PROOF:
(today on Drudge)…………………………………Harry Reid (D-NV) blocked a vote on the border security

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“if you happen to believe that temp legal status is amnesty, as some of you have suggested, then I guess that means Ted Cruz supports amnesty.”
The problem is THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS “TEMPORARY” IN POLITICS! Ask Reagan! He was apparently promised a secure border in exchange for amnesty. He got the amnesty but never the security!
Democrats will NOT secure the border. EVER! It is NOT going to happen. 
Negotiation to a liberal is “give me everything in exchange for nothing.” And idiot repugnantcans fall for it every time.
I want to ask, WHY does this even need to happen right now? Is it like Bachmann says, that it’s to distract from the myriad of scandals rocking the White House? YES!
This is a political chess match. Your queen is in danger repugnantcans… AGAIN! What is your next move?

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stage9 
Excellently stated.
The Republicans seem to be playing checkers while the evil democraps are playing chess. The “craps” cannot be reasoned with… I’d like to meet them somewhere along the way… to work out a reasonable solution… but as you eloquently stated, it’s “One for me, none for you, Two for me, none for you” with them. WE ARE AT WAR! And the GOPe is feeding, aiding, and abetting the enemy. Republicans are using their fingers and mouths to imitate weapons while the democraps are using the real things and surprise surprise, are winning.
This is so easy for us to see. Why won’t they acknowledge this in Washington. Oh yeah, it’s because we are at war and the guys who used to wear the white hats are now wearing gray or black ones.
If this gets done during the Obama regime, then it’s going to suck. Bank on it.

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The Sentinel  stage9 It’s like I have said before. Repugnantcans still live under the notion that liberals are like them. That they think like them. Desire the same outcome as them. That they have the same love of country as them. THEY DO NOT!
Liberals have plans for this country that repugnantcans can’t even BEGIN to wrap their narrow little minds around! Liberals are ALWAYS one step ahead of them. 
That’s why they’re able to side-step all of these scandals and refocus the nation’s attention right BACK on their own agenda. They know it’s a new week with new possibilities. The last several weeks it’s been scandal after scandal. This week, miraculously, it’s all about IMMIGRATION AGAIN!
What happened to the scandals?
What scandals?

Orangeone
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stage9 The Sentinel Not to mention, the Benghazi murders, Fast and Furious, the Mexican drug cartels, rising unemployment, the debt, and on and on.

lawngreen
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stage9 The Sentinel I sent romney a letter to this effect when he was campaigning, telling him that obama and team were his enemies, not just his political opponents. I’m sure it never got through. No big deal. Even if the letter had gotten through, it wouldn’t have gotten through.
romney not only tried to be Mister Nice Guy (except to conservatives), he assumed everybody else was a nice guy too. That’s a classic case of stupid for you.

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They aren’t in the shadows!!!I see their asses everywhere!! My town is overrun with these cockroaches!! I know some will support Rubio regardless cause they see him as some Republican night in shining armor like what I read that TRS just said but maybe just maybe everyone should bring their behinds to Texas and Arizona before they stay on the Rubio train! Your mind would change in a second. Anyone that supports Rubio is supportive of the invasion of OUR country. Period. Learn to be bilingual suckers. You ain’t getting a job without it.

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ryanomaniac Add CA to TX and AZ. No shadows here either, out in the sunshine driving this state into bankruptcy.

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PVG ryanomaniac 
Add Georgia to that mix.

ryanomaniac
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PVG ryanomaniac Forgot about CA. How’d that happen? Oh, I thought that that the name had been changed to El Californio.

American Duckie
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PVG ryanomaniac and speaking of sunshine and state, Florida is crawling with them as well.

lawngreen
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AmericanborninCanada PVG ryanomaniac  A friend still living in Florida wrote me that when Castro’s empty-the-jails-boat-people came over, Florida became a dark and dangerous place.

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lawngreen AmericanborninCanada PVG ryanomaniac  I’ve never had any problem with Cuban folks. Know a few and they’re wonderful and they love America. But yes, there are so many now from so many parts of S. America, and even in the small towns where there are a lot of illegals, the crime has skyrocketed. Everything from grow houses, prostitution/slave trade, shootings, gangs and robberies. It’s pitiful. sad

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ryanomaniac our mails, phones, etc – are being seen, heard DAILY. But “they are in the shadows”?
I respectfully disagree  –  euphemism for: BULLS*ITT ! ! ! ! ! !

sDee
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ryanomaniac  
Here in NC they vote, get federal, state local government benefits, even buy guns.  Some shadows.
They love to rub it in our faces.

Make’em show and ID and pay back taxes and they’ll run for the shadows.

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sDee ryanomaniac In MN, they work for cash, get federal and state tax credits well above any taxes they ever paid and then get unemployment during the winter, all paid for by the taxpayers.

lawngreen
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sDee ryanomaniac   Frequently when they have auto accidents they bail and run. Can’t find the driver because, if they even have ID, the address isn’t where they live. Per law enforcement officer.

Orangeone
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ryanomaniac Come on to Mpls and take a look at the illegal Somalians that are running money back to Al Queda.

freeperjim
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Amensty for 30-40 MILLION socialists by any name is the death knell of America and the Constitution.

It ensures socialism will win ALL national elections.

Helloooooooo, our new Mehico socialism!

sDee
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Cruz seems to have  very strong amendment that could cripple much of what the subversive DC crowd intends to do – especially the elimination of diversity quotas.

If he believes that securing that amendment and elimination all future avenues of citizenship, requires  giving some sort of amnesty to those here illegally by limiting them to a type of work visa, then he needs to just come out and say so.
Illegals must face a judge under existing law then renter and re-apply. I do not trust anyone in government – the  left will agree to Cruz’s amendment and then their millions stong league of judicial and beircatic nimions will reverse ti all. 1000 pages ensures 100,000 discretionary loopholes.

The existing 1965 immigration Act needs to be repealed.

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sDee 
Excellent.

lawngreen
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sDee  And cruz (no longer Cruz, in my book) has to know this. He’s too smart not to.

StandWithAZ
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WOW…looks like The Right Scoop has officially jumped the shark! So now TRS is telling us that “temporary protected status” is NOT amnesty? Of course it is. You are taking tens of millions of people who broke the law to come here, and are breking the law every day via identity theft and social security fraud, and handing them LEGAL status, and work permits, with NO fines or punishments whatsoever for their past crimes…and a measly $12/month “fee” (eventually), that the DHS secretary is empowered to waive for “hardship” cases. NO “back taxes” will be mandated from ANY illegals – unless the IRS has an express prior collection action – even illegals who defrauded taxpayers for $4.2 billion a year n phony EITC credits for children living in Mexico will NOT be required to pay that back and in fact will be eligible for NEW EITC credits! And once they… Read more »

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StandWithAZ  
I also do not understand why it is all so hard for people to see.
A   foreign citizen presence on US soil without a current visa or beyond their permitted visit time, it is prima facie evidence that they violated Federal law. Period.
They should be brought before a judge.
Anything else is amnesty. Any politician who tries to convince us otherwise, is dishonest.

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sDee StandWithAZ   sDee, it’s not hard to see. The line in the sand has been clearly drawn. Those who cross it know exactly what they are doing.

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StandWithAZ 
Brilliant post!

lawngreen
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StandWithAZ   AMEN.

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I am hearing all sorts about how this proposal by Cruz isn’t amnesty because it asks for brder security first. One question, and this is not just for Cruz (who I believe is a decent man), but it is a question for Rubio and all his other law-breaking friends too: 
Why do the American people have to bargain with their government before it does its job and secures their nation’s borders? I am bewildered by this. Somebody please explain. Because it seems to me as though our leaders are offering up a false choice, deliberately.

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pushtheredbutton  
Because we are naive, brainwashed, trusting and dumbed down?
We need only enforce exisitng immigratoin  law and the vast majority of illegals will go home. The problem is that our politicians are globalist world governance puppets andwhores .
 If we saw them for what they are – traitors who have sold their country out and violated their oath of office,  we would be rioting in every city in every state

sDee
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The smell of fear:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-cWXwR0z1-c4/Ubir-I07GxI/AAAAAAACYfI/4VLpapxRuZ0/s1600/the+smell+of+fear.jpg
Why are we not standing up? We will soon not have the ability to. They know this and are acting with haste.

pushtheredbutton
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sDeeThis is one option, preseted by Bachmann: http://www.wnd.com/2013/06/the-republic-is-at-stake/

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sDee  We need a leader. cruz just disqualified himself, Palin quit a long time ago, Bachmann is worn out …. who’s left? Suggestions are welcome.

The only option is to stand as individuals. That’s fine with me; I’m ready to leave this planet. But it’s also futile, and we are all hesitating, hoping for a leader. I’m afraid it won’t happen.

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lawngreen sDee 
Alan Keyes.

lawngreen
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Keyes Relative? Yourself? I’ve seen very little of Alan Keyes, although what I did see I liked.

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pushtheredbutton   Because the persons in government are our enemies, and from their point of view, bargaining is just one step on the road to complete surrender.

sDee
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Border security is a red herring. A distraction. That the illegals in this country are Mexicans who wandered across Rio Grande is another distraction. 1/3 of illegals now are here on expired visas which means they more  likely came in from islamist and socialist counties on planes, than fomr Mexico. The “border” is enormous and virtual because it is every airport, seaport, bus terminal and rental car counter. The only way to “secure it” is to enforce existing law. The primary tool to do that is requiring id and visa paperwork at each any any societal point that requires it (e.g. hotel, bank account, government benefits, drivers license). Every other county in the world does this. America intentionally does not. America is the last stand. The Republicans are redcoats. All is lost once this bill passes. We will be a permanent democracy – the final step to tyranny. The people… Read more »

K-Bob
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MasterTard (or the idiot formerly known as Chris Matthews) goes Full Retard, and says:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3030683/posts (link to FreeRepublic)

odin147
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If you entered illegally how can you become legal. Leave the country and apply for legality like every other immigrant.

sDee
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odin147  
Worse. They only way in is a chit – to be called in as often as necessary.

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Well that’s the ballgame. There isn’t a single Republican leader that is against amnesty.

K-Bob
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http://www.wnd.com/2013/06/the-republic-is-at-stake/
I wish Ted would just drop the “legalization” stuff.  We’re now at at the point where the problem is another thousand-page monstrosity that will end the Republic. So shut up about “reform” and start getting on the “Kill this bill!” bandwagon.
And I have to say, all the attention to the NSA is going to play in barack’s favor on this.  If people want to focus on the NSA and watch the Nation end at the vote on amnesty in the House, then we are totally screwed.

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K-BobFour observations: – The amendment that Senator Cruz proposed was put forward during the Senate Judiciary Committee hearings. – Senator Cruz voted against the bill in committee. – Senator Cruz voted against the motion to bring the bill up for debate before the Senate. Because of the huge push in support of the bill by big labor, big business and big money, to stop the bill requires that we the people tell our representatives in the Senate and House, not just no, but hell no. In that regard, see the following: Reid Blocks Senate Vote on Border Security Amendment to Immigration Bill http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.breitbart.com%2FBig-Government%2F2013%2F06%2F12%2FFloor-Fight-Reid-blocks-Senate-vote-on-border-security-before-amnesty-amendment&h=5AQHW2_Bc&s=1 After you have read the article, listen to the interview that Mark Levin did with Senator Sessions. The Senator does a good job of setting out the problems with the Amnesty Bill. This bill will have a particularly harmful impact on poorer Americans, suppressing wages and making… Read more »

K-Bob
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K-Bob

John_Frank K-Bob We get it.  That’s what Michelle Bachmann says, too, which is why I posted it.

(but please be careful with repeated copies of the same comment. I know it’s important, but it’s better to have just one copy of something.  You can link to your comment elsewhere, if you want people to see it.)

lawngreen
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lawngreen

John_FrankK-Bob”not just no, but hell no.” That’s what cruz should have said, every time, all the time, and this time. Not “well here’s a little wiggle room”.
As for sending letters to reprehensible reps, that no longer does any good. It’s all posturing and acting. “All the Congress is a stage…”

SheerPolitics
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SheerPolitics

Temporary status is what we USED to have. A migrant worker could come in on a seasonal or as needed basis, work and then go home. The problem became when we stopped making them leave. 
A temporary status would allow people to come in and work, be paid a fair wage (which would make them less attractive to employers), pay taxes, go home and come back the next season. However, we MUST secure the border and Cruz knows this. 
What the Senate is trying to shove down our throats now is a permanent, legal residency and eventually a pathway to citizenship. Because once they are permanent, legal residents, just you watch the discrimination lawsuits start to force them to be able to become citizens or get the very benefits, Rubio tries to claim they won’t be eligible for! But by that time the camel’s nose will be well under the tent.

c4pfan
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c4pfan

Sorry, I’m not stupid enough to fall for the BS.  I don’t care who’s saying it.

Nosmo
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Nosmo

Rush,Sean and Mark…The three top hosts in radio…With millions of listeners a day…They could have hammered Rubio from the beginning…They chose not to…For the last month Marco has received a free pass from them…Hannity has even gone over to the dark side…How can anyone ever take these guys seriously anymore…

BS61
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BS61

Tonight on the way home, Michelle Bachmann was on Levin, and said that nobody was bringing down the phone lines and that Boehner was working with the Dems.  I agree that they should have NOT given him a pass.

John_Frank
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John_Frank

RS, you are mixing apples and oranges. Yes, temporary legalization is amnesty. However, the difference between the position taken by Cruz and Rubio is crucial. Under Cruz’s proposal, temporary legalization (amnesty) does not become permanent until after the border is secured and interior enforcement is being carried out. Furthermore, those who follow this path are not eligible for a green card and citizenship, meaning they can never vote. Needless to say the Democrats, along with Senators Flake, Graham, McCain and Rubio object to this approach, making a mockery of their claims that they have any real concerns about national security. Under Rubio’s bill, temporary legalization (amnesty) becomes permanent irrespective of whether the border is secured or not and interior enforcement is handcuffed; and thereafter these individuals can apply for a green card and citizenship, meaning they can vote. This shows that the Democrats, along with Senators Ayotte, Flake, Graham, McCain… Read more »

Keyes
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Keyes

John_Frank If illegals are on our soil dems are letting them vote. Period.

BogdanJodkowski
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BogdanJodkowski

Ted is going “WOBBLY” on his beliefs…

JD2020
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JD2020

Any Illegal who has children and they usually have several, will be automatic citizens who will grow up to vote. All the while making them able to collect welfare. Part of the bill should be mandatory revoking of the anchor baby citizenship.

Keyes
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Keyes

JS2020 They aren’t citizens now. We have just been letting them get away with it. The 14th amendment gave citizenship to freed blacks. Period.
The Congressional Globe of 1866 is where the proceedings of the 14th amendment were written and Jacob Howard (author of the line “Subject to the jurisdiction” was recorded as saying, “This will NOT include babies born to foreigners, aliens, …..

Gtrjag
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Gtrjag

We have to fight the left on amnesty and Ted Cruz is doing just that. However, we cannot become so fixated on immigration that we lose focus on the other more critical issues. If we don’t end the welfare state, control Federal Spending, and bring the Federal Government back within it’s Constitutional limits we won’t have a country worth securing. We don’t all have to agree with Cruz on this issue, but I believe his motives are pure

Keyes
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Keyes

Gtrjag 
There won’t be a country to fight for if this amnesty happens. We will just be a piece of land. Everyone here illegall will be legalized and they can then send for family members.
FORGET about ever getting conservatives in Congress or the WH ever again. It will be the end of our nation. One reason the welfare state has grown if legal and illegal aliens are getting on the dole. Most are unskilled and many can’t even read in their own language. They will be on welfare if they are here.

badbadlibs
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badbadlibs

Keyes 100% right! There’s NO such thing as a country without borders! This country has become so dumbed downed by democrats and their ideology. I heard chucky schumer say today that if this bill passes there will no longer any such thing as an illegal immigrant. What the h e double toothpicks is the matter with that stupid, stupid man??????????

Gtrjag
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Gtrjag

Keyes Gtrjag I don’t want them to get citizenship, I don’t want them voting. I want the border secured.  I’m just trying to keep things in perspective. whether we close the boarder or not. Whether we have amnesty or not, our country is doomed unless we return to the Constitution and a limited Federal Government. I get frustrated that good, brave politicians like Ted Cruz, Rick Perry, and Rand Paul get crucified on this board because they stray from some peoples strict standards when it comes to immigration. Ted Cruz is not going wobbly. He is one of the strongest men in the Senate and its absolutely absurd that people are willing to turn on him because of this. When it comes to a final vote Ted Cruz will not vote for the immigration Bill because it most likely will have a path to citizenship in it. The Democrats would not vote for a bill that… Read more »

Keyes
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Keyes

Gtrjag Keyes 
Don’t you get it? Illegals ARE voting now. Why do you think dems fight voter id laws. I met a woman from California a couple of years ago and she said they walk right in a vote all the time in CA.
Don’t you understand that the reason we have Obamacare is because of illegals? Sharon Angle won every county in Nevada, but one…in that one county they estimate 10’s of thousands of illegals voted….and they voted for Reid…and because of that we got Obamacare.
Illegals come from Marxist slop and they vote for it when they get here. They are making our gov’t BIGGER.
Perry supports open borders. I have a speech he has posted on his governor’s website where he says he supports open borders.
Rand is for amnesty. These are nonstarters. You support amnesty, you support the end of our Constitutional Republic.Period.

Amjean
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Amjean

I agree with you.  12-40 million illegals are not going to be marched across the border.  The illegals do not deserve citizenship unless they go to the back line at the very least.  The key issue should be, of course, closing down the border.  However, we must also remove eligibility for welfare benefits.   If you are illegal and have a baby on American soil, that baby should NOT be rewarded with a US citizenship.  Stopping welfare benefits would make many of them self deport.  The others that are here as a family, working and contributing to our society should be given some consideration, however, not automatic citizenship. I think that depending on where you live and your personal experience with Hispanics colors your viewpoint on this issue.  There are gangs, thugs, do nothings, etc. as in every “group”.  However, there are also families who work, who own property and keep it up, who attend church and… Read more »

Keyes
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Keyes

Amjean Rand voted to end cloture on this disaster…which means it will now come to the floor for a vote. He wants amnesty.
Just start deporting and tell them to get out.

Wiggy111
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Wiggy111

I don’t agree Scoop.  I think Cruz is just trying to chip away at the bill. So what should Cruz do? Present an amendment that says there is no legalization?  That would make as much sense as offering an amendment back in 2010 to the Obamacare bill that says nobody can get Obamacare.

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