Below is the full GOP debate hosted by Anderson Cooper of CNN in Las Vegas:
Here is the transcript of the debate.
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just wanted to say thanks for having this up… makes it way better than having to actually use a TV 🙂
Agreed…my TV is getting a break…GBTV on this and then to TRS
lol! also i see you included Ron Paul in this poll………. i think you scared them all of by now, since he currently has only one vote 😀
I can bring them here in a second if you want, but I’ll represent him here all by myself…
I look forward to anyone presenting anything that Paul said that they disagreed with – even the foreign policy issues. Let’s have a real discussion. All of them up there are dancing around his issues. Issues he’s been arguing for the last 30 years.
Bring on the Israel issue. As a Christian, I strongly believe that those that bless Israel will be blessed and those that curse Israel will be cursed. Ask me the question and I will show you that Ron Paul’s solution is the one most in line with scripture’s mandate.
Ron’s view of foreign policy is naive and assumes that all of our enemies will just automatically not hate us anymore if we do what they want us to do. I love his opinions on the economy and monetary policy, but his looney statements like those held in Guantanimo aren’t guilty of anything is beyond stupid. He makes an inch of progress on an economic issue only to shoot himself in the head with some batcrapcrazy foreign policy comment.
So you’re against a court system to establish guilt?
Ron Paul supported using Letters of Marque to establish guilt without the defendent being present to defend himself. What’s the difference? What we’re talking about is top secret information that elected officials are privy too who give their ok on actions against enemy combatants according to Geneva Convention and US law. Are you against that?
I don’t need a foreign suspected terrorist in my court system, thank you. I’ll let the military handle that just like any other military in the world would handle their prisoners. If they are American nationals, then let’s put them on trial for treason. I’m ok with that, as long as it is a military court that does so.
I would only support civilian trials if the people were citizens who were caught and jailed within our borders.
Answer this. Why America? Why not China? Why America is the big target? If you say because America is so good that they envy US, then I’m done talking to you.
You have to understand the difference between military spending and defense spending. Do at least a little bit research on the mid-east issue plz. Why do they hate America? Then you will see how Ron Paul is right.
America is on evil purpose to go into those countries at the first place.
Why African countries like to do deals with China now rather than US? Because of USs interventionism policies.
ok, this is going nowhere since you’ve already put binders on what my opinion can be or what I could possibly be right or wrong concerning but here it goes…
America supports Israel. We support Israel because they are the rational presence in the ME and always have been. We support Israel because of our religious ties. We are a Christian nation and the Bible instructs us that anyone that blesses Israel will be blessed and those who curse Israel will be cursed. Because of this support, we will always be the enemies of Islam. The muslim Americans who are loyal to this country are seen as traitors to Islam the closer you get to Mecca and Tehran despite their profession of faith in Islam. Islam and Mohammad want Christians and Jews to either all die or all be in servitude/dhimmitude to Islam. America is the big Satan and Israel is the little Satan. We, and ONLY we, are the impediment to Islam re-establishing the Caliphate as it once was and as they are instructed to always maintain.
I actually support a portion of Ron Paul’s treatment of foreign aid, but to disengage from all foreign fronts that pose a threat to the USA is just naive. I’m glad we fought in Korea and Vietnam and not on US soil, aren’t you? I would’ve much rather the terrorists NOT hijacked planes on 911, don’t you feel the same way? I’d support leaving wherever we’re not wanted tomorrow if we can do it safely for our troops…but I’d expand the Navy and Airforce immediately and rapidly expand our Special Forces units all over the globe.
I’d be comfortable telling the entire middle east that we’re leaving and no one gets anymore foreign aid except for the ones who pay back their loan guarantees..and who would that be? Israel. I’d also inform Eqypt, who is being taken over by the Muslim Brotherhood–read Muslim Maffia!–, Syria, Libya, Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Lebanon, the PLO, Hammas, Somalia, and every other enemy of Israel that we will no longer pressure Israel to not strike whenever she feels threatened. You ready for that reality??? Instead of a 6 day War, you’d see a 6 hour war with nukes and millions of people dead and oil fields that the entire world depends on ruined for hundreds of years from fallout. This is what I’m talking about…this is exactly the kind of “pure” libertarianism that I admire about Ron Paul but makes him unelectable. Not everyone in the world is as pure a man as he is, as I am, or you are. Some people are crazy and they hate us because they hate their own life and their irrational and controlled by a religion that teaches that Jews and Christians are pigs, monkeys, and animals that need to be wiped off the planet forever.
“We are a Christian nation and the Bible instructs us that anyone that blesses Israel will be blessed and those who curse Israel will be cursed.” I loled. How brainwashed are you? Really? Really? It’s all about oil dude. You dont get it and you will never get it.
Ask Ron Paul if he believes that or not…then lol at him. If this was about oil, why haven’t we taken one drop of oil out of Iraq?
Its about securing US dollar to be used in any foreign oil trade. Thats why its about oil. It has nothing to do with religion. How naive is that.
And thanks for your condescending attitude. You take out of context what I said to make fun of my faith and Ron Paul’s faith, btw. Nice job. I knew better to even try and discuss anything with you.
hechaoran. Your comments and stances are so shallow, it’s not worth having the debate. Go pitch a tent on wall street. They think at your level. One layer deep.
1. 9/11 happened because US has bases in Saudi Arabia (go watch Bin Laden’s video message right after 9/11). Not ONLY because of support to Israel. Most of the 9/11 attackers were Saudi citizens (Not Afghani or Iraqi or Iranian).
2. Both Korean and Vietnam wars ended in a stalemate; none of the American interests were achieved in the end! How is that a positive in your view? It beats me!
3. Afghans hate America because Pakistan trained and supported the oppressive Taliban regime in Afghanistan with CIA’s help and American foreign aid.
4. Iraq hates America because the oppressive and sadistic Saddam Hussein was propped up with high-tech weapons and training from US in the 80s as a counter balance to Iran in the region.
5. Iran hates America because the CIA overthrew a democratically elected government in 1953 and installed a Dictator (King, aka Shah of Iran). A popular uprising against the dictator was squashed with British and American troops directly used on ground. The hate is not because we are friends with Israel.
6. Arabs don’t hate Israel (Jews) solely for their religion. It is Geo-political. Please, read the history of the Israeli State and the British Mandate of Palestine to understand the long-standing Arab opposition to the Israeli state starting from 1920.
7. You seem to be under the impression that American Corporations did not enjoy any benefits from the invasions in the middle east. Do not forget the $4 Trillion taxpayer money spent in 8 years to rebuild Iraq and Afghanistan (All of that money went to few select defence contractors and construction companies).
8. ExxonMobil and Haliburton have received contracts to oil fields in Iraq (Also, BP).
9. Ending with Iran again, do not forget that there is no proof that Iran has a nuclear weapons program. IAEA agents have inspected all nuclear sites in Iran and specifically declared that there was no proof of a weapons program. If you base your trust in a bunch of politicians who claim there is top-secret information, that cannot be revealed to anybody, establishing Iran’s guilt… DO NOT forget that the same political system claimed the exact same things about Iraq, repeatedly warning Americans against an imminent mushroom cloud over Washington if nothing is done about Saddam right away!!! — Fool me once, shame on you… Fool me twice, shame on me!!!
I am just warming up here. I can go on all day! Who is naive here on foreign policy Mike? You or Dr. Paul?
PS: I lived a better part of my life outside America, and so I was fortunate enough to look beyond American media propaganda on world issues.
What were the terrorists shouting as they flew the planes into their targets, Rahul?
I’m saying I’d rather fight on their lands not ours.
We also trained the Mujahadeen to fight against the Soviets, Bin Laden being one of those we trained. We did NOT train the Taliban for pete’s sake. Where do you get this stuff?
Hmmm…as opposed to what? Letting Iran run them over? Yeah, makes perfect sense.
Well, you know there’s more to that story than your admitting here. Iran had been a supporter of Hitler and had changed their name from Persia to Iran partly because of Hitler and his Aryan(which became translated Iran btw) race theories. They also became increasingly friendly with the Russian Communists. Mossadegh tried to fold Parliament and continued to try and nationalize the Iranian oil fields that the British had developed for them just like Hugo Chavez has done in Argentina.
I know it much better than you, I can assure you. And I’m glad you agree that Jews are hated for their religion.
7. You seem to be under the impression that American Corporations did not enjoy any benefits from the invasions in the middle east. Do not forget the $4 Trillion taxpayer money spent in 8 years to rebuild Iraq and Afghanistan (All of that money went to few select defence contractors and construction companies).
You seem to forget that there are only a few companies that can support our military. It wasn’t a conspiracy, it’s logic. A westernized Iraq with an open society and free elections is a natural deterent to the creep of Islamofacism.
Where’s the oil and who else would you have fulfill those contracts? Our competitors that risked NOTHING to free Iraq? Like France perhaps who was pocketing blood money under the table for years from Hussein’s UN oil for food program?
I have two trusted sources that both were in the military and on the ground that verified to me personally that Iraq had a WMD program and that it was dismantled and sent to Iran and Syria. Interesting that Israel bombs Syria in 2010 over a suspected nuclear site when Syria had never been even really mentioned as a potential nuclear threat…HMMMMMM. And not one word was said about the bombing a week or so afterwards. Syria would not allow IAEA inspectors in to offer aid and they would answer no questions regarding the “accident” or aggression on them by Israel.
You can continue to believe the Ron Paul narrative all you want…while realists act responsibly to viable threats from enemies who hate us and want us dead. All of us.
Mike – I really appreciate your perspective – and obviously hard work searching out your stance – and there’s a lot to agree with in your responses – but the main problem with your position is that you are projecting your beliefs onto the those in the decision making positions for our country – and just because you and I believe these things concerning Israel – do you for one second think that the one-worlders, atheists, progressive whack jobs lining our halls of power give a crap about our beliefs?
Ask yourself this and answer honestly. I was right there with you till I fleshed this entirely out.
We are living with the people who grew up in the 60’s (when they first took God out of the schools) now being in power.
The govt is completely in bed with these corps and they grant them special statuses and monopolies and take our tax dollars to make their policies play out.
What’s the motivation? Power, control.
Governments thrive and derive power by being put in the position of settling disputes. They thrive even more when they can settle disputes between foreign countries.
Businesses thrive when they eliminate competition. When the government does it for them – they thrive even more and are willing to pay off politicians – both legally and illegally to mete that objective out.
Israel’s enemies currently receive seven times more Foreign welfare from us than Israel does. American weapons companies get much of that money back from weapons purchased by those countries – our tax dollars making the complete loop back into our MIC. American companies thrive on the conflict in the ME – they support candidates who keep that perpetuate that conflict.
Stop all the Foreign welfare. Let Israel finally defend itself. If the American people want to truly defend Israel – we can send them money – we can still sell them weapons. They truly have the weapons to defend themselves if they want.
I love Israel – and I truly want what is best for them – and what we’ve currently got going on isn’t doing it.
Ok ill add my two cents here…..
Personally I dont care about the religious and political bs in the middle east with Israel and Iran and all that….what it boils down to for me is something Ive been saying for years….
Stop worrying about every other country and worry about ourselves for once!
It almost seems like lately we’ve been searching out reasons to get into other countries bs. Now if we were back in the days of Clinton…with a balanced budget…with a low unemployment rate..etc…and we wanted to go help somebody out…then fine…we have the money…im not cold hearted..thats fine
But we are not….we are more in debt than ever… we have demonstrations and uprising like I’ve never seen in my life…we have more unemployed and homeless people…. again…then ive ever seen in my lifetime (33)…etc.
If somebody in the middle east needs help…announce it on the news or whatever and have a fund that people can contribute to if they wish. Just like when all that mess that happened in Japan…they had disaster relief funds all over the place. Then the people themselves can decide if we as a nation have the money to hand over instead of automatically saying that the government knows what we want to do and will do it for us. Cause we all know when the government does something its never just out of the kindness of its heart…lol
The main reason I see that most of the world…not just the middle eastern countries…hates us is because we prop ourselves up like the high and mighty moral authority on everything.
Its like a person complaining to me that my house is a mess…when they have a trash heap in their back yard.
We cant not and should not tell anyone else how to live when we can’t even get our own act together.
As far as those who say…well if we dont do this then they might come and bomb us and blah blah blah…..
We have…without a doubt…the strongest most sophisticated military in the world. Now unless we had a whole group of countries trying to take us out…they really are not much of a threat. Especially if we did listen to Paul and pull all our military back to defend this country instead of everyone elses.
Not to mention the money that we would save…the extra revenue from military personnel spending money here. Then if god forbid…we needed to defend this country from attack…we’d have the people and the funds when we needed them.
Just my humble 2 cents
Adam – you shut us who would die for our faith down when you start out by saying “I don’t care about the religious and political bs in the ME”. Your argument does not stand merit from our perspective.
I agree with everything thing you are saying AND everything that Mike is saying.
The problem with both you and Mike (and most of us) is that you/we project your beliefs on the entire situation and everyone is talking past each other based upon their world view while the unmoving facts are entirely different from everything we discuss.
It’s time to take our shirts off and look honestly at ourselves – our country – in the mirror. Come to grips with reality and make decisions that will salvage our country’s standing – not only in the world – but also with God.
when i said I dont care about the religious bs…I didnt mean it as an attack on religion…even though I personally believe that religion has done more harm than good throughout time. I also believe that you have every right to believe what you will…but just cause you believe it…dont expect me to as well.
When I said “the religious bs” i meant basically that I dont care why people fight over there…or anywhere else.. religion…resources…political views…etc. They are all meaningless to me.
Actually ill put it this way…I myself have a family to look after….but im broke and my family is hurting…now with that said….if I overhear somebody arguing …even if one of them is a friend…I dont take money I dont have to help support one of their positions. No matter what the argument is about.
My family comes first…if I have extra money…then fine…I may help somebody out if they truly need it…but i wont take away food from my kids mouth to give to somebody else.
And thats basically what we are doing now. The president/government is the head of the household…and the people are the children (in this scenario)…and they are talking food from our mouths…money from our pockets…to give to others when we have none for ourselves to begin with.
Thats what I meant.
And when it comes to religion….I have to say that I was a little pee’d at Newt when he said basically you have to have faith to be moral. And people actually cheered him for it. There are plenty of religious…a-moral people in the world…and plenty of non-religious but moral people as well. Some people dont need a book…or an invisible father figure (no offense) to tell us whats morally good and decent. You get your morals from your family…your life experiences…even where you grow up. Not only from a set of rules in a book.
Thats basically saying…Im only a good person cause I believe that if I’m not that I will burn in hell for eternity and that God wants me to be moral/good etc.
….not because I AM a good or moral person…even without all that. Or another way….its a good thing god has all these rules…cause if not Id be killing people left and right….stealing from everyone I see and causing all kinds of mayhem…thank god I got this book to keep me straight.
Like I said though…I dont want anyone to see this as an attack on faith…I dont care who you pray to…what you pray to…or even if you pray at all…..but to say that the only thing that keeps us moral is faith…is an insult to me and im sure many others who dont belong to that train of thought.
Again…just my 2 cents….
I was busy and did not check your response till today.
1. What were the terrorists shouting as they flew the planes into their targets, Rahul? — The same the Libyan rebels and Egyptian protestors were shouting during their fight for freedom: “Allahu Akbar.”
2. I’m saying I’d rather fight on their lands not ours. — And I’m asking, “Why fight at all, when they never posed a credible threat to America’s existence?”
3. We also trained the Mujahadeen to fight against the Soviets, Bin Laden being one of those we trained. We did NOT train the Taliban for pete’s sake. Where do you get this stuff? — I know too well the history of CIA and ISI in the subcontinent region. Taliban was built on dismantled Mujahideen fighters of Pakistani origin (most Afghanis in the Mujahideen opposed the Taliban). And their continued training and support was from ISI, and Pakistan was on US payroll all through those years (Foreign aid). Pakistan is too poor to feed its own people; you really think they would have afforded supporting Taliban all by themselves?
4. Hmmm…as opposed to what? Letting Iran run them over? Yeah, makes perfect sense. — If you check the Iran-Iraq war, it was Iraq that started the war. So, the justification for propping up a dictator on the pretext that Iran was invading Iraq is baseless.
5. Iran had been a supporter of Hitler and had changed their name from Persia to Iran partly because of Hitler and his Aryan(which became translated Iran btw) race theories. — Even Italy supported Hitler. Why did the CIA not carry out Coups in Italy then? Iran has oil and Italy does not. Simple!
6. They also became increasingly friendly with the Russian Communists. Mossadegh tried to fold Parliament and continued to try and nationalize the Iranian oil fields that the British had developed for them — Firstly, being communist is not an excuse for meddling in their internal matters. Secondly, the Brits did not develop the oil for THEM, they did it for THEMSELVES. It’s a huge difference. Iran was getting a marginal “royalty fees” from the Queen, and Iranian government had no power to regulate the oil extraction either. Iranians had every right to nationalize their oil fields if they saw that fit. Financial entanglements of ONE or few oil company(ies) is not justification for over 60 years or bad foreign policy costing trillions of dollars and thousands of lives.
7. A westernized Iraq with an open society and free elections is a natural deterent to the creep of Islamofacism — That should explain our support for the Wahabbi establishment in Saudi Arabi, who (by the way) hate our guts! (Irony of the paradox)
8. Where’s the oil and who else would you have fulfill those contracts? — You claimed it was not for Oil, and then again you contradict yourself by questioning why any other companies should be allowed to participate in oil developments there if they were not part of the attack. You just made my point!
9. I have two trusted sources that both were in the military and on the ground that verified to me personally that Iraq had a WMD program and that it was dismantled and sent to Iran and Syria. — Hahaha. So going into Iraq was foolish after all, eh? Are you suggesting now that maybe we should have gone into Syria and Iran instead? More “trusted intel” from the same expert sources? Yeah! I thought so!!!
Look Mike, we are as worried about our collective safety as you are. I am a Christian too who was lucky enough to have been blessed with life in a democratic republic with all its freedoms (and problems). Thanks for your offer to protect us all from enemies, but we do not need protection from imaginary enemies! These enemies we fight today can easily be defeated by simply empowering the right people in those regions to tackle the fringe fundamentalist elements. That empowerment does not come through war. The proof to my point? Both the countries that we fought for are still in chaos and turmoil, while other Arab nations have revolted and moved onto being democracies without an American war needed!
Rahul, this is a pretty naive view of the Middle East. Muslims hate us for religious reasons. It does not matter if you do not hate them back. They hate us because we are not Muslim. PERIOD. They hate Israel even worse because they are Jews. PERIOD. Exclamation point. End of sentence.
I would recommend watching “What the West Needs to Know” on the main page of this website. This isn’t about oil, it’s about a religious war that has existed for centuries and is playing out now, and they cannot give it up.
You are clueless as to how our “federal reserve” monetary system works if you think we are not there for oil and there because we give a rats shit about the people of those nations. Islam is a peaceful religion; coming from a hardcore anti-theist. There are radicals but what religion does not have psychos? What culture does not have psychos? Oh, Buddhists, but that is a whole different story. They are in touch with nature in stead of holding on to this childish and unproven idiocy of a divine asswipe watching over us. Now tell me, if this asswipe you call God gave a shit, would we be in this mess? No. Now come back to reality, we are in huge shit right now and theism has done nothing but make things worse for all of us. And we can see that there isn’t such a thing. So can we just stop with it’s bullshit already? God isn’t real, he doesn’t exist, and if he did, he would have came down and fixed this problem by now. HE DOESN’T EXIST!
You people and your views on Islamic countries are so skewed by media, it’s sad. They want your ass out of their country, it is that simple. That’s what they all have been saying. Listen to them. They have nothing against your freedom or sovereignty, THEY DON’T LIKE YOU ON THEIR LAND! The dumb shit politicians who say they would attack us if we left are exactly that, dumb shits.
Man, you people really need to grow up and leave your imaginary friends where they belong, in your imagination. I don’t want to hear how many times you pray, because all that tells me is you wasted that time on doing absolutely nothing productive.
The only person with even a sense of understanding of what is happening in the middle east. Good job.
Ron Paul is one of the worst messengers for the libertarian party.
CNN promos this like a sporting event. Weird.
that is all part and parcel of the kabuki theater aka, a one party system
5 libs……journalist………..what do they want,is the question?
chaos,tyranny,no accountabilty,deception and Obama to win.
Right out of the gate, they dogpiled on Cain!
Yea, I didn’t like that…
Waow! Michele Bachmann made a comeback!
Herman Cain and 999 is getting hit hard. I wish he would stop reffering to apples and oranges, and telling the audience to do their own math. He needs to articulate a better defense.
Because the fiasco start to exposed http://thespeechatimeforchoosing.wordpress.com/2011/10/18/herman-cains-9-9-9-plan-is-troubling/
The 9-9-9 plan is not a good plan, as pointed out in your link.
I like the plan he needs to explain why he does not believe other analysis is correct and what he is doing differently in his analysis.
All he ever does is saying his analysis is the only right analysis and give out nothing. Give me the differences! I dont have all day to read your analysis.
You don’t have time to read an analysis? You would rather depend on his or someone else’s talking points? (sigh)
I’ll supply this link in contrast.
Perhaps we owe it to ourselves and our informed vote to do exactly what Cain asked us to do: Go to his site and review the analysis, then bump it up against the criticisms. Not saying the criticisms aren’t valid; just saying let’s get all the facts on the table.
The problem is I’ve done the numbers. Cain likes to use a family making $50,000 as his example. He claims that they spend about $9,000-10,000 in federal taxes (income, FICA), but after deductions and tax credits they in REALITY pay only $5,000-6,000 TOTAL (including FICA). Now they are going to get a slight income tax break, true, but it’s going to be MORE than made up on the sales tax side! Taxes WILL GO UP FOR MIDDLE AMERICA in the real world.
In the “real world” taxes are going up on you RIGHT NOW. Have you seen the latest inflation numbers? That’s a tax my friend. Every time they do quantitative easing, you are paying for it. Who do you think is hurt most by that–the investors or you?
Cain’s tax plan puts everyone in the tax game. It also will light a fire under this economy. Add the repatriation of business dollars overseas, and you will see hiring like never before. If nothing changes, you won’t need to worry about how much you’ll be taxed.
Part of the American Dream is the hope that you can do better if you put your mind to it. We Americans don’t need to be coddled. We need an economic environment that provides a path to our prosperity.
I’ll add one more point. Forgive me for droning on. How did you calculate your sales tax? I might be mistaken, but there are plenty of things I pay for that would not be taxable.
Other debt payments
Point is, it is not as simple as adding 9% and 9% together to make 18 or even 15% total to calculate.
Ok Santorum doing good Perry first. then Cain and now Romney
Perry is a joke………!!!!!!
I don’t think the Perry’s and Romney’s will be having dinner tonight
This is getting interesting – may come to blows shortly
Perry is toast – made a fool of himself
Why don’t my like buttons work
Does anyone else have trouble when they click a like?
Me Got Nada…
Rick Perry is finally going after Romney and it looked like Mitt was stunned, for a change. No one goes after Mitt. I give it to Perry on that one.
I agree, the cheap shot was a bit much, but Romney lost his cool, his face even got red
Mitt’s face still looks red, that was at least 20 minutes ago.
I keep saying this, but Perry needs to pop Romney on his CO2 emissions support and how that would effect the economy
He should and and along with two people that Romney had in hid admin that now work for Obama! I think one was Holdren. I am terrrible with names. I have no doubt that global warming is a farce made up to make $$.
I’m telling you Romney may look more pretty during the debates and in campaigning, but we will wake up to a phony GOP President with Romney
Romney is a phony, most of us know it. The establishment is pushing him, the RINOs like Christie, etc. Perry is not done yet.
Romney is a phony, but Perry is, too…he’s my governor. A complete phony. I’d trust Romney over Perry any day and I’m not a Romney fan in any measurable way. My money’s still on Cain…with Newt as his VP. 🙂
Why does he remind me of John Kerry? Both have fake tans and look like plastic?
At least he didnt ask him about the time he ( Romney) put the dog on the roof of the car during the family vacation. Remember that?
There was a funny video of two southern guys talking about dogs and sticking heads out the window. I wish I could find it again.
Perry looked like an idiot..which he is. No substance behind his vitriol and only makes Romney, who is not a real conservative, look like a victim.
Perry looked like a Chihuahua trying to attack a Pit Bull…it was not a pretty sight. Someone call animal control. Poor Chihuahua!
Thanks for streaming this online !
The Debate of the GOP Seven Dwarfs.
Well, it’s another “All Romney All The Time” Fest.
Ok, we are slowly discovering that many of the candidates have skeltons in their closet,
Herman on the 999
Gingrich on individual mandate
Mitt on mitticare
She said she wasn’t running 🙁
None are perfect. Reagan wasn’t either. We need to pick one with the best ideas who can actually win.
Reagan wasn’t perfect but he had a LOT MORE GOING FOR HIM than this bunch of bozos!
Gingrich has gone down in my estimation, cain has gone down, romney was never up, I am now favoring Paul and Santorum…as well as changed the channel to TNT and Bones.
lets talk freedom… and the legalization of marijuana… im a hard working tax paying guy who would love to smoke once my day at work is through… everyone else can drink/ get drunk and cause ten times more trouble than people who enjoy alittle green after a hard day at work.. its bull shit
this would make 90% of americans happy.. cause economy growth and greatly slow down the mexican drug war… farmers could grow it.. there is no good reason not to legalize it.. im tired of be controlled by this so called goverment
all because big shots get kick backs from the drug companys
Watching these debates and listening to most questions being danced around makes me wonder if I understand English anymore. And it isn’t a second language for me.
Newt is hitting some homers again; I was hoping Perry would tighten up his delivery.
Not a fan, but Romney wins again. He does rope-a-dope in the ring like none other. He’s the best prepared, and turns every attack around and scores points. Too bad he’s a social liberal.
Wins, what? The phony of the year award?
Perry or Cain. Conservatives do not support Romney, he’s getting 25% of the vote, and do you think Santorum, Bachman, New will endorse Romney? I don’t think so.
He won the debate. Which is about performance, not just ideas, unfortunately. For example, Santorum is a true conservative but he was the most unpleasant and petulant one on stage. He loses the most in that sense. Perry, too, looked desperate to damage Romney and he looked like a louse doing it, which backfires.
Perry was the biggest jackass. Santorum had a legitimate point. Perry looked like he was just mad and desperate. I’m glad he’s gone after tonight–and he’s my governor.
Newt was the candidate, that by far, stuck to substance (followed by Bachmann). Newt literally won the debate and showed a better standing in the midst of bickering kids.
Romney begged for a do-over every time to explain how and why he legislated this way or that way. That was terrible.
At the end of the day, Newt is the only one who can stand and debate Obama. Romney? Obama will eat him up given that his advisors on health care and climate change later advised the Obama Administration!
Romney got bloodied in this debate–finally. He was petty, argumentative, and whiney. Newt truly moved above the fray and was presidential. He was the clear winner tonight.
I am so sick of liberal media hacks. To hell with Cooper and the rest them…
What this debate proved to me more than anything else is that Anderson Cooper is overrated in every way – except for his appeal to gay men.
Romney and Paul p*ssed me off with their support of the Occupy Wall Street “I love Socialism” crowd.
That wasn’t what Paul said.
Paul just said that Wall street got bailed out, while the people did not.
Also, Ron Paul supporters are out there trying to educate
The OWS protesters on individual liberty and responsibility,
as well as how big government has created the very thing they’re against.
Perhaps we should educate them instead of just attacking them.
We didn’t like it when they did that with the Tea Party.
It seems our goal should always be to persuade people to our side.
msm and the one must be having a blast watching this…
i would like to see newt take on Romney
I’d like to see Newt take on Obama.
I would like to see Newt take on Obama! No contest. BO, without his teleprompter, will be groveling.
Newt could let him keep the TOTUS, still win hands down.
I’ll say it again. The best Tea Party candidate cannot win the general election. They are too strong of an opinion for the moderates and the independents. We have to go in with someone more mild to win those votes! Mitt is it. Once he’s in, he can fill his cabinet with Tea Party members…if they don’t blow it.
Care to back that up with Mittens’ record of appointing real conservatives to his administration?
…and this time, the people will elect anyone who gets the nomination – everyone knows the Ohole has to go.
Mitt is NOT mild! He is the blueprint for Obama’s policies!
The 2012 Election is not about the most electable but the most conservative! The fact that you brought Mitt up as a possibility tells me that you know nothing about the Tea Party!!
Mitt is an Independent, turned Liberal, turned Moderate, turned RINO. Now you want to make us believe he’s morphed himself into a mild Conservative all along??? Are you kidding???
Since the Tea Party wants a Tea Party Candidate, we’ll go ahead and VOTE for a Tea Party Candidate and make sure that he or she WINS the elections!!!
What are you talking about?
ANYONE: Mitt, Perry, or Cain would kick obama’s ignorant rear end from one side of the country to the other.
obama has lost all independents two years ago after the healthcare debacle.
Mitt is pretty to look at, but much like a hangover and a one night stand, you have to wake up next to him after the election and it ain’t pretty. What does he stand for? Who the hell knows, which is exactly why he can’t get the nomination.
Newt is a brilliant man and a fantastic debater. I like him, but I don’t want him as Pres. (too much ethical baggage). I like Cain, too, but honestly he doesn’t have the political experience (which has been made evident recently over his controversial statements). His 999 plan is a gimmick that’s worked well in the primaries, but Obama would destroy him over it. I’m more in line with Perry, especially on immigration, but believe he’s weak and Obama would slaughter him in the debates.
I would have to agree that Romney is the man. He’s actually grown on me as he manages to come out relatively unscathed so far. He has more Tea Party values than people give him credit for.
And for me, it’s actually not just about beating Obama, but causing a landslide so hard it will send him back to where the sun don’t shine… Romney could do that.
HA! HA! HA! Love it! Describing Mitt as coming out “relatively unscathed”! I guess that is as good a euphemism as any to describe someone who can slither away like Mitt can. That’s not a positive. Only someone who has changed positions more than a chameleon changes color can do that.
That made me laugh.
The only question I have in a mitt V obamao face off is if they will give each other the secret handshake and call each other comrade.
I would be puking over how many times both would have to say, “I agree with him”
It would not be a debate, it would be the opposite.
Mitt is not a conservative. He’s a RINO. He doesn’t do anything about spending, doesn’t address getting rid of the terrible goon squad called the IRS, and simply passing waivers to the states on Obamacare/Romneycare is NOT repealing it.
Although I like Cain better, I think Newt did better tonight.
Ouh! Ron Paul is back on the voting board! That’s a bold move RS!!
Scoop – may I have permission to bring them here?
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. I purposely didn’t create a post specifically for this reason. If they come here en masse, I will delete his name from the poll.
Ok.. Ok… relax.. They’re busy over on the Daily Paul with the Black This Out Bomb anyway. They’re completely distracted anyway.
I won’t mention a word. I never do. I don’t really care about online polls. But this was Ron’s best debate thus far. He almost seemed like the grownup in the room and Rick Perry made an ass of himself.
Perry did make an arse out of himself, but RP’s best debate was the last one IIRC.
This one was definitely Newt and Cain at the top.
So, it seems the Ron Paul vote all voted for the guy who didn’t even bother to show up. Hey Scoop, is there any way to show our votes by our names on the thread? It’d be a good way to be able to see someone’s other posts and allegiances. Just a thought.
First, thanks RS for posting this, much appreciated.
I decided to vote for Romney, though it’s painful. This didn’t seem like Cain’s best night, though his demeanor was positive as always. Perry seems just angry and frustrated. I’m thinking it’s time for Bachman and Santorum to consider bowing out, the stage is very crowded and Cain has come out on top of the conservative side. Perry I think blew it early on, I’m not seeing much chance of a recovery for him. Newt just doesn’t seem electable though I have great respect for him, warts and all. Ron Paul is Ron Paul 😐
This race boils down to Romney vs Cain, a surprise to me, I thought Bachman or perry would catch on better. The biggest surprsie and dissapointment is Palin, she was the nominee if she only took it. Anyway, I guess I’m in with Cain, I didn’t think he had much chance just a month ago. The fact is, he seems a very big under dog to Romney. Romney is smooth in every debate. And I love his spider/badger plans for our enemies.
I think Cain and Perry lost this debate in a big way.
Santorum and Bachmann imo gave their strongest performance to date.
Paul and Romney didn’t fall but Romney stumbled during his school yard scuffle with Perry.
Newt, pudgy Newt, displayed the greatest breadth of knowledge and I think he won this debate. He should lose some weight and do a few hundred reps of sit-ups and push-ups per day or until he can see his feet when standing.
Thank you, Fishy. I agree. Keep your eyes on Newt. I think he’s the only one of this groups who has a real understanding of what the JOB of POTUS is.
Herman, sweet guy. I’d love to have you as a neighbor or a boss, but President? Where’s your administrative experience? Having a good heart, like having a good ideology, is simply inadequate preparation for the Presidency.
Obama, the stuttering, “oral-fixate,” will have you for lunch in a debate. The left will make your campaign look like “fool vs cool.” Are you ready for that level of insult? We need a leader, not just another “personality.”
Thank you for being a part of this, Mr. Cain. You have greatly assisted to crystallize the issues and should be commended by history.
FailYou, I’m not sold on Cain at this point, but what do you mean by questioning his administrative experience? He ran companies. That is, by definition, administrative experience. An executive is an administrator. My fear with Cain is that he doesn’t seem to have any clearly announced foreign policy. I hope to hear this from him in the near future. As bad as things are domestically, Obama has made sure that the next president is going to inherit potentially devastating foreign policy problems and that president had better have a solid approach to taking them on.
Gingrich, hands down. Weed through all the talking points and Newt comes out with the the most reasoned responses. Not only is he an idea guy; he has solutions. Solutions that, although not captured in a 999 sound bite, have been researched and analyzed. I sincerely hope he starts rising in the polls. I’m convinced he is the man for the time.
I didn’t get to see the entire debate earlier, so I have been watching this replay to catch what I missed. I have to say that I thought it was beyond reprehensible that Anderson Cooper tried so hard to make an issue about a candidate’s (any candidate’s) faith/religion. We HAVE to be aware of this kind of thing and fight it hard. It is going to be a weapon the left will try to use to split the vote and get Obama re-elected.
Perry looked like a bumbling fool. Hard to watch someone going down in flames. Cain stayed about the same. Bachman I don’t care about. Paul made some good points. Santorum is a jackass and just needs to shut his trap and quit interrupting. Romney looks like the guy who will take this thing just on his electibility and he does have great points. Newt Gingrich took this debate. He has fire in his words and would absolutely destroy Obama in a debate. He has personal issues from his past but everyone has shortfalls and I’m willing to look past it for the country’s sake.
Only problem I had with Cooper was his lack of control of this debate. I’m not interested in seeing candidates bicker between each other. I’m tired of when a cantidate is asked a specific question they answer back with ‘Well the real question is’, that drives me crazy. The real question is the freakin question that was asked!
Newt won debate and I would like him to be the nominee. Romney will be the one though.
Come on TRS… Take Ron Paul off the poll. Last night, he was down at 5% or so, by this morning, he was up to 25%, in second place. Why did you even put him on? I thought you said that he will NEVER appear on your polls.
Why Mr Gingrich SAVE Mr Cain last night , they start to play teams?. Look for me like McCain and huckabee in the last election.
RS. Thanks for putting Paul back on the ballot. I’m not a Paul supporter, but now I know the true percentages of my candidates without Paul supporters jamming up the process. We all know they crash these polls. No big revelation there.
Maybe because they’re simply more passionate about Ron Paul than other people are passionate about the other candidates.
Personally, none of the candidates make me passionate about them. I just go “meh” when I see them, although Cain is “less meh” than the rest, so I guess that qualifies him for my vote, albeit I’m nowhere near passionate about voting for him. I could probably only get passionate if another Reagan showed up.
My predictions of the outcome of this debate: (just wargaming for fun here, nothing serious)
Cain is new lone frontrunner
Newt pulls into a tie with Romney
Perry sinks even lower
Santorum bows out in a couple of weeks
Bachmann gains ground, but won’t have enough to pull it out.
Paul remains steady with his libertarian base (supporters continue to try to ask conservatives to abandon principle and convert on the 50% they all agree on)
Possible aftermath of first primary vote:
Sarah will endorse Cain or Newt, putting them way out front
Bachmann will do the same if she doesn’t see good numbers
Cain adopts/co-ops Perry’s energy policy
Newt, if he can’t get financial backing to take his campaign all the way, will search out VP possibilities–or bow out and say “My purpose was to shape the debate”
Romney will fade as the conservatives get emboldened by the polls
Paul is the big question mark–will he be the spoiler and go independent? Or will he vie for a VP spot? Will he endorse (not likely)?
Thx, Scoop, for putting the whole debate up.
Thanks RS for posting this. I could not connect with it and then thought to look here. You never fail you fans. Thanks for keeping us informed.
Watching the debate in Las Vegas, Governor Perry wins the prize for arrogance and for not answering the questions asked him but veering off to respond selfishly as he want to. He also wins the prize for beating a dead horse!
CNN Debate Fails On 14th Amendment’s Citizenship Clause
Rick Perry’s TARP letter asked Congress to “pass an economic recovery package”. He didn’t specify what package, but that was intentional because if TARP passed and was successful, then he could claim credit for sending the letter, and if TARP passed and was unsuccessful, then he could claim that his letter didn’t specify support for TARP.
He insidiously wanted “the best of both worlds”, meaning that he is NOT principled.
It’s the same kind of insidious political ploy that Obama would have used to avoid responsibility. It’s dangerous to see it in a Republican candidate for president.
Honestly? Newt hit it out of the park. Bachmann sounded almost screechy at some points, Cain (as much as I love him) looked angry that there would be questions about his 9-9-9 plan. Romney & Perry scuffling the way they did made them both look petty.
Santorum is my pick right now after watching this.
Romney is %100 politician.
Perry is a RockBoxHead or Box of Rocks Head meaning smart as a box of rocks
thank you scoop, haven’t seen this yet, heard alot, thanks for posting it, will alwayse come here first.
Anderson let the others speak at least 5-10 seconds over their TIME time and once the TIME was called for Dr. Paul, he just interrupted right away. Now, if I don’t call this “media blackout” then I am not sure what I should call “media blackout.” I call SHENANIGANS on this bullshit channel.
Romney was right when he dressed Rick down of immigration. Rick has sold Texans down the Rio Grande.
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