Bachmann: Gardasil recipient suffered mental retardation

Bachmann said last night on Greta that a woman came up to her after the debate, crying, and said that her daughter had been given the Garadsil vaccination and as a result had suffered mental retardation. Bachmann says that Perry shouldn’t just be given a mulligan on this because there are significant consequences to the decision he made to mandate Gardasil.

When it comes to why exactly Perry mandated the vaccine, whether it was for a campaign donation or whether it really was to prevent the spread of cancer, Bachmann wouldn’t speculate. But she does feel it is important to point out that this donor, like so many other donors, she adds, received appointments and political favors and that this is exactly what America doesn’t want:

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  • Why does no one ever mention that in order for Health Insurance to cover the Gardasil vaccine (which costed about $100 each, 3 shots total = $300) was to mandate it as a “back-to-school” vaccine. Then it only costed a copay. THAT is why he mandated it with an easy Opt-Out. It HAD to be an opt-out, because an opt-in allowed Insurance Companies to not cover the cost of the vaccine.

    • That’s a really good point. I haven’t heard anybody mention this. Do you have a link to a source somewhere to back up those specifics?

  • This woman is no leader and never will be. She is a shill for slick ass romney. She doesn’t even know she is being used by him and will eventually be tossed aside after her work is done taking little jabs at rick perry.

    • Anonymous

      I don’t like how she used the so-called “woman with a daughter with cancer, due to a vaccine” rhetoric, either. She wants accurate reporting; yet, she says this unsubstantiated nonsense on national television?

      • Anonymous

        I meant “seizure”.

      • Anonymous

        I meant “seizure”.

  • Anonymous

    Bachman, that’s bad science. That woman and you, Bachman, don’t know that the vaccine caused cancer. That is bogus and unsubstantiated. She is sounding like a real politician. She didn’t check the woman’s story, or read the daughter’s medical records. Bachman, that is mud-slinging, and politician 101 nonsense. She’s really trying to dismantle Perry, because he is a threat. She’s needs to stick to constitutional government, what she is good at. She doesn’t need to focus on bad politics. Keep your head in the game, Bachman.

  • Anonymous

    Perry smoked Romney by saying Romney’s health care plan is the model for Obamacare. Not even a slick talking candidate like Romney can dig himself out of that hole.

    • Anonymous

      I am going to re-listen to that segment but if I recall, Bachmann trumped them both. Perry did win that point. Perry also acknowledged one of Romney’s points, that the Fed cannot not constitutionally force us to buy a product, but that states can do what they want.

      Bachmann went one step further and said that the states cannot implement Obamacare and take away our constitutional protections. This is the essential argument that prevents States from taking away our 2nd Amendment rights, for example.

      Very interesting debate last night.

      • Professor Why

        Yes, and by saying that the states can’t have mandates, she disregarded the 10th amendment… True, that sort of stuff is unconstitutional from a federal level, but if the state constitution allows for it then it’s not unconstitutional for that state…

        Sounds to me, though, like it needs to be sorted out at the Supreme Court, if it becomes sticky enough…

        • Anonymous

          Yes that is why I speculate the the 2nd Amendment may be the model – it is the one the many states have tried every way possible to use State sovereignty to take away our Constitutional right to bear arms.

          Just another reminder that we just had two rabid anti-Constitution subversives appointed, and that Freedom is but one Supreme Court appointment away from extinction.

  • Mark Smith

    I’d look for the CDC, The American Academy of Pediatrics, and the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists to issue press releases after this disgusting display. Infants are vaccinated against Hepatitis B at birth, and the Gardasil vaccine is recommended between 9 years and 22 years per CDC guidelines. Santorum and Bachmann came off as puritanical “burn the witch!!” idiots.

    • JW

      Mark – good fact checking.
      Maybe someone should tell Michelle Malkin and others of this. I’m tired of them harping on Perry about this. I wish they would move away from this subject since it’s only hurting them, i.e., Bachmann and company. We have more important issues to discuss.
      Also, as I stated before, using the 80/20 rule will help voters in making an informed decision on who they will choose as their candidate. We’re all not 100% perfect and to expect that from a candidate is ludacris.

    • Anonymous

      They are not anti-vaccine. Bachmann in the debate argued the point that the government has no authority to force the Gardasil vaccination (a prophylactic vaccination for a virus transmitted to mutual consent risk and exposure).

      She would not argue against guidelines, or vaccination programs that prevent outbreaks of random, open communicable diseases.

      One could make a far stronger case for mandatory Hepatitis B vaccinations of newborns because it is openly communicable. Yet even in Texas Hepatitis B vaccinations are not mandatory.

      Perry was engaged in crony capitalism with Merck. That is the bottom line

    • Anonymous

      http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/vaccines/hpv/gardasil.html

      CDC Reports of Health Concerns Following HPV Vaccination

    • Anonymous

      http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/vaccines/hpv/gardasil.html

      CDC Reports of Health Concerns Following HPV Vaccination

  • Eve

    This is exactly what turned me off with both Bachmann and Santorum, they both did not mention the opt out. Why? I do realize the opt in was more their point but to not be truthful on the issue a “whole”, doesn’t sit well.

    The woman who came up to Bachmann complaining about Gardasil is the same woman who chose to give it to her daughter. Did she not do the research regarding vaccines, I do, because it is my responsibility, not the Governments or a Governor who wants to mandate it. btw Hep B is mandatory and controversial (and considered an STD disease), where is the outrage. This only proves how easy it really is to blame others for their own choices. This is a bad example to use.

  • Anonymous

    Gardasil Victim Speaks Out After 2 Years

    Gardasil WARNING! – CNN Report 8.11.8

    What are the possible GARDASIL side effects?
    The most common GARDASIL side effects are:

    •pain, swelling, itching, bruising, and redness at the injection site
    •headache
    •fever
    •nausea
    •dizziness
    •vomiting
    •fainting
    Fainting can happen after getting GARDASIL. Sometimes people who faint can fall and hurt themselves. For this reason, your health care professional may ask you to sit or lie down for 15 minutes after you get GARDASIL. Some people who faint might shake or become stiff. This may require evaluation or treatment by your health care professional.

    Tell your health care professional if any of the following problems occur because these may be signs of an allergic reaction:

    •difficulty breathing
    •wheezing (bronchospasm)
    •hives
    •rash
    Tell your health care professional about:
    •swollen glands (neck, armpit, or groin)
    •joint pain
    •unusual tiredness, weakness, or confusion
    •chills
    •generally feeling unwell
    •leg pain
    •shortness of breath
    •chest pain
    •aching muscles
    •muscle weakness
    •seizure
    •bad stomach ache
    •bleeding or bruising more easily than normal
    Contact your health care professional right away if any of these symptoms concern you, even several months after getting the vaccine.

    Who should not get GARDASIL?
    People should not get GARDASIL if they have, or have had:

    •an allergic reaction after getting a dose of GARDASIL.
    •a severe allergic reaction to yeast, amorphous aluminum hydroxyphosphate sulfate, polysorbate 80.

    http://www.gardasil.com/what-is-gardasil/gardasil-side-effects/

    • Anonymous

      Thanks Williamm for showing this. How in the hell can Perry mandate this! It takes the intellect responsibility of the parents to make this huge decision!

      Palin2012!

    • Anonymous

      Have you ever donated blood? You know, during a blood drive?

      Fainting after having a shot or getting the needle is not an uncommon reaction. That’s why they make you lay down.

      • Anonymous

        Many times, but I’ve never had any of these symptoms.

        •difficulty breathing
        •wheezing (bronchospasm)
        •hives
        •rash
        •swollen glands (neck, armpit, or groin)
        •joint pain
        •unusual tiredness, weakness, or confusion
        •chills
        •generally feeling unwell
        •leg pain
        •shortness of breath
        •chest pain
        •aching muscles
        •muscle weakness
        •seizure
        •bad stomach ache
        •bleeding or bruising more easily than normal

        Also read the CDC report I posted in reply to Mark.

        • Seizures can cause brain damage leading to developmental problems.

        • Anonymous

          Have you ever been around a pregnant woman?

          • Anonymous

            Of course.

            • Anonymous

              Then you know that list applies to them, too, right?

      • Anonymous

        Many times, but I’ve never had any of these symptoms.

        •difficulty breathing
        •wheezing (bronchospasm)
        •hives
        •rash
        •swollen glands (neck, armpit, or groin)
        •joint pain
        •unusual tiredness, weakness, or confusion
        •chills
        •generally feeling unwell
        •leg pain
        •shortness of breath
        •chest pain
        •aching muscles
        •muscle weakness
        •seizure
        •bad stomach ache
        •bleeding or bruising more easily than normal

        Also read the CDC report I posted in reply to Mark.

    • Anonymous

      Thanks Williamm again!!!! I just watch the videos! OMG! I can not believe this drug is not at least put off the market until more test can be done!! For Perry to mandate this drug to little girls 12yrs old is just disgusting!!!!

    • Anonymous

      Thanks Williamm again!!!! I just watch the videos! OMG! I can not believe this drug is not at least put off the market until more test can be done!! For Perry to mandate this drug to little girls 12yrs old is just disgusting!!!!

  • Anonymous

    That was appalling. I don’t support Bachmann for President but I did want to see her try for Speaker. But after that? I’m not sure the woman is qualified to hold any office.

    If the story is true, that some woman came up to Bachmann and claimed her daughter was made retarded by the vaccine, that’s bad enough. There is no way such a thing could happen and for Bachmann to believe it is just beyond the pale. I’m not sure I believe it even happened. Bachmann has this tendency to tell personalized stories like that. She does it constantly. She seems to think relating things she hears on the campaign trail proves she’s listening to people. Or gives her some kind of credibility. It’s at those times she comes across as insincere.

    • No way it could happen? My wife almost died from a vaccine she was allergic to. I cannot believe that there is no way it can happen.

      • Anonymous

        Is your wife now retarded?

        • She had a seizure, that could have caused developmental disorders, but luckily that did not happen. Your retort is ignorant and offensive. My point is..while it may not be best to tell personalized stories to dismiss it out of hand as impossible is inane.

          • Anonymous

            How was my “retort” offensive to you? Or ignorant?

            Unbelievable.

            • Maybe its just misreading things into it. But it was short. You were implying because my wife was not made mentally retarded that it is impossible when it full well could cause brain injuries when you have a seizure. I would have specified if it did cause brain injury if it had. Overall, it was at best an illadvised quip.

              • Anonymous

                The issue is that the vaccine caused mental retardation in a pre-teen girl. You used your wife as proof that there might be something to it. You said she “almost died”.

                Never mind.

                • My wife had a major seizure as a reaction to the dpt shot. She was in the hospital for 5 days. Seizures can cause brain damage which causes the same or similar effects as developmental disorders “mental retardation”

                • Professor Why

                  You know… I was going to say something like “but that’s not the same thing!”, but I’ve got enough of a crap tornado trying to engulf me in a different thread… I don’t need to get beat on somewhere else… 😉

                  In any case, I hope your wife is doing much better now and that she isn’t having any issues with seizures anymore… 🙂

                • Professor Why

                  You know… I was going to say something like “but that’s not the same thing!”, but I’ve got enough of a crap tornado trying to engulf me in a different thread… I don’t need to get beat on somewhere else… 😉

                  In any case, I hope your wife is doing much better now and that she isn’t having any issues with seizures anymore… 🙂

                • Professor Why

                  You know… I was going to say something like “but that’s not the same thing!”, but I’ve got enough of a crap tornado trying to engulf me in a different thread… I don’t need to get beat on somewhere else… 😉

                  In any case, I hope your wife is doing much better now and that she isn’t having any issues with seizures anymore… 🙂

                • Its not the same thing, and doctors say she shouldn’t see it again as long as she doesn’t ever have the substance I think its called pertussis…injected in her again. My biggest concern is having to go through it with my son, and if they say that even if they know there is a reaction to it that is potentially harmful that I still have to watch them do it. I just don’t know how I can even react to it. I have heard rumblings of an alternative shot for the same purpose, but haven’t seen much on it. Overall, my point, is that one size fits all mandates are stupid, and not constitutionally imo. I do understand that its not the same thing, and I understand she used incorrect verbage to describe what happened to the girl even if it was correct. Hope you faired ok with the tornado.

                • Its not the same thing, and doctors say she shouldn’t see it again as long as she doesn’t ever have the substance I think its called pertussis…injected in her again. My biggest concern is having to go through it with my son, and if they say that even if they know there is a reaction to it that is potentially harmful that I still have to watch them do it. I just don’t know how I can even react to it. I have heard rumblings of an alternative shot for the same purpose, but haven’t seen much on it. Overall, my point, is that one size fits all mandates are stupid, and not constitutionally imo. I do understand that its not the same thing, and I understand she used incorrect verbage to describe what happened to the girl even if it was correct. Hope you faired ok with the tornado.

                • Its not the same thing, and doctors say she shouldn’t see it again as long as she doesn’t ever have the substance I think its called pertussis…injected in her again. My biggest concern is having to go through it with my son, and if they say that even if they know there is a reaction to it that is potentially harmful that I still have to watch them do it. I just don’t know how I can even react to it. I have heard rumblings of an alternative shot for the same purpose, but haven’t seen much on it. Overall, my point, is that one size fits all mandates are stupid, and not constitutionally imo. I do understand that its not the same thing, and I understand she used incorrect verbage to describe what happened to the girl even if it was correct. Hope you faired ok with the tornado.

                • Professor Why

                  You know… I was going to say something like “but that’s not the same thing!”, but I’ve got enough of a crap tornado trying to engulf me in a different thread… I don’t need to get beat on somewhere else… 😉

                  In any case, I hope your wife is doing much better now and that she isn’t having any issues with seizures anymore… 🙂

                • My wife had a major seizure as a reaction to the dpt shot. She was in the hospital for 5 days. Seizures can cause brain damage which causes the same or similar effects as developmental disorders “mental retardation”

        • She had a seizure, that could have caused developmental disorders, but luckily that did not happen. Your retort is ignorant and offensive. My point is..while it may not be best to tell personalized stories to dismiss it out of hand as impossible is inane.

  • Anonymous

    Is it true that when Perry wrote his executive order that there was no opt out, but only after he was overridden that the opt out was available? This is my understanding of it from what I have seen so far. Maybe someone could clarify this for me.

    My gut instinct tells me not to trust Perry. Sure the story the woman told should be investigated to determine the truth about Gardasil, but who here actually believes information from the government concerning a drug? So it is very difficult to investigate whether or not a drug is safe or not. I did not give my daughter the drug because I don’t trust them. I wanted to wait and see how people fared after taking it first. I really don’t trust them when it comes to some of the flu shots the government pushes. I don’t think mercury is good for you whether it is used as a preservative or not (mercury is used in some vaccinations). The government pushed how fructose corn syrup is just another safe corn product. Just trying to find the truth about high fructose corn syrup was a difficult task and from my investigations into that, I have greatly reduced my intake of it. The truth is hard to get hold of today, especially when the US Government pushes things as being safe that very well may not be safe.

  • OPT OUT! OPT OUT! OPT OUT!

    Michelle, WTF part of OPT OUT don’t you understand? The parent’s, who Bachmann and Palin preach are the holy grail of child righteousness, authorized this. Sad part is, half those parents are liberals and you know how those kids end up like Chaz Bono.

    The campaign donation thing was egregious for Bachmann to bring up, too. Of course a Governor of 11 years will have had campaign donations from groups who, gasp, sometimes are companies that make jobs products that you support.

    • As if it is easy to opt out. Especially since schools can make it a requirement to enter them once it is established. It should be opt-in especially on innoculations that are for preventable diseases. Ridiculous.

  • Anonymous

    Sock it to ’em Bachmann. Folks, don’t forget that the Tea Party is the reason we have a hope against obama in 2012, and is also the party which may help us sift out many RINOs. Conservative Republicans ( e.g. Senator Jim DeMint and Marco Rubio) are great for America. RINOs are not. Bachmann is no RINO.

    • Anonymous

      At the first rally in DC, when none of us really knew if anyone would show up, before the movement was known as the Tea Party, we wandered up the Capitol lawn where a thin crowd had gathered around a small platform and loud speaker. A woman stood alone and spoke passionately about the Constitution, the threat of big government and the dire straits the People were in unless we took back our government.

      I learned her name was Michelle Bachmann. I will always remember her and always remember she stood alone before it was popular. She stood ther when all her colleagues were afraid to step outside their comfortable boxes.

      • Anonymous

        Bravo Michelle Bachmann! Thanks for posting that, sDee.

      • Anonymous

        Bravo Michelle Bachmann! Thanks for posting that, sDee.

    • Anonymous

      At the first rally in DC, when none of us really knew if anyone would show up, before the movement was known as the Tea Party, we wandered up the Capitol lawn where a thin crowd had gathered around a small platform and loud speaker. A woman stood alone and spoke passionately about the Constitution, the threat of big government and the dire straits the People were in unless we took back our government.

      I learned her name was Michelle Bachmann. I will always remember her and always remember she stood alone before it was popular. She stood ther when all her colleagues were afraid to step outside their comfortable boxes.

  • Just one question about Gardasil. Why is it necessary to prevent a STD in a 12 year old girl when girls that age shouldn’t be having sex to begin with?

    • Anonymous

      Exactly. And you know what? Any liberal will go ballistic at the first HINT that cervical cancer is caused by an STD. That HATE that. I know because I use that tactic when women post that they have it. Some women still don’t know that most cases of cervical cancer are caused by the HPV virus. Not every case, that’s true. Just like not all cases of AIDS are sexually transmitted, some women do get cervical cancer through no fault of their own. But as a smoker I love to rub it in their faces.

      So it’s pathetic to see liberals defend this when in any other context they’d be denying that sleeping around had anything to do with cervical cancer. It’s even more pathetic to see conservatives say they’d make their daughters have the shot “just in case”. My God! I pretty much consider myself an abject failure as a parent but there’s one thing I do know I did right: my daughter would not need such a vaccine.

    • Anonymous

      Exactly. And you know what? Any liberal will go ballistic at the first HINT that cervical cancer is caused by an STD. That HATE that. I know because I use that tactic when women post that they have it. Some women still don’t know that most cases of cervical cancer are caused by the HPV virus. Not every case, that’s true. Just like not all cases of AIDS are sexually transmitted, some women do get cervical cancer through no fault of their own. But as a smoker I love to rub it in their faces.

      So it’s pathetic to see liberals defend this when in any other context they’d be denying that sleeping around had anything to do with cervical cancer. It’s even more pathetic to see conservatives say they’d make their daughters have the shot “just in case”. My God! I pretty much consider myself an abject failure as a parent but there’s one thing I do know I did right: my daughter would not need such a vaccine.

      • Anonymous

        the hpv virus is in 80 per cent of the sexually active population. I presume at some time in your life your daughter will become sexually active, and unless the guy she is sexually active with is a virgin then there is a 80 per cent chance of her getting the hpv virus, if he is not a vigin then she takes on board all the possible stds of the people he was sexually active with.
        many many YOUNG women are getting abnormal smears, all of which is caused by the hpv virus and many of these yong women have had only 1 or 2 sexual partners is their lives.
        The hpv virus is also responsible for many head and neck cancers, and the less dangerous strands of hpv are responsible for warts and verrucas etc.
        In the uk there is a 70 per cent uptake of the vaccination in schools, and there is also a serious school of thought that boys should get vaccinnated also.
        I am CERVICAL CANCER SUFFERER and have had 3 sexual partners in my life and i am 65 years of age. But women and some men stigmatise me as loose or a woman of ill repute through ignorance, which in this day and age makes me very very sad.

    • Anonymous

      Exactly. And you know what? Any liberal will go ballistic at the first HINT that cervical cancer is caused by an STD. That HATE that. I know because I use that tactic when women post that they have it. Some women still don’t know that most cases of cervical cancer are caused by the HPV virus. Not every case, that’s true. Just like not all cases of AIDS are sexually transmitted, some women do get cervical cancer through no fault of their own. But as a smoker I love to rub it in their faces.

      So it’s pathetic to see liberals defend this when in any other context they’d be denying that sleeping around had anything to do with cervical cancer. It’s even more pathetic to see conservatives say they’d make their daughters have the shot “just in case”. My God! I pretty much consider myself an abject failure as a parent but there’s one thing I do know I did right: my daughter would not need such a vaccine.

    • Anonymous

      the same reason you give mumps measles and rubella vaccinnations to babies at 3 to 6 months old. To stop them getting it when they are 3 4 5 or 6!

  • As others have pointed out here, the “mental retardation” statement was based on anecdotal experience of one woman and not on research. Doesn’t mental retardation have an early, even embryonic, onset? If anything, wouldn’t the (alleged) effect be described as brain damage? Knowing only the barest surface of the allegation is no basis for a bold statement about the cause -and-effect of a vaccine.

    I think the Bachmann Express just jumped the tracks.

    • I think the Bachmann Express just jumped the tracks.

      Jumped the shark..

      Nuked the fridge..

    • I think the Bachmann Express just jumped the tracks.

      Jumped the shark..

      Nuked the fridge..

    • I think the Bachmann Express just jumped the tracks.

      Jumped the shark..

      Nuked the fridge..

    • Anonymous

      As a doctor, yes, her statement was bs!

      • While it may not be wise to repeat a personal conversation about something like this, are you saying that allergic reactions cannot cause seizures that can then cause brain damage that has alot of the same symptoms of mental retardation? I’ve seen the effects of seizures in person, and I cannot reconcile the statement that this is not possible. She just used an incorrect verbage.

      • While it may not be wise to repeat a personal conversation about something like this, are you saying that allergic reactions cannot cause seizures that can then cause brain damage that has alot of the same symptoms of mental retardation? I’ve seen the effects of seizures in person, and I cannot reconcile the statement that this is not possible. She just used an incorrect verbage.

        • Anonymous

          Mental retardation and a seizure are two different things. I don’t even begin to know how to answer your question. Bloating and diarrhea are two side effects of almost every damn drug out there, but I wouldn’t say that because someone took a certain drug they have GI cancer, now would I?

          • Ok..I’ll follow your rabbit hole. Does Diarrhea cause GI cancer, or does diarrhea itself cause damage to the GI tract itself? No. What does a seizure do to the brain if worse case scenario happens? Trying to put an equivalency to a benign problem to a seizure…what on earth? Am I understanding you right that you are saying seizures do not cause any harm to the brain?

            • Mark Smith

              I’m a doctor, too. You don’t “develop mental retardation”. It’s ridiculous. Most seizures are benign (neurologists call them “brain sneezes”) and you would have to suffer long hypoxia to suffer any long term effect. That would be “brain hypoxia” or “brain damage”, not “mental retardation”. Would you say a child who has drown suffered “mental retardation” before death?

              • Anonymous

                From one doc to another, thank you.

              • Anonymous

                From one doc to another, thank you.

              • Anonymous

                From one doc to another, thank you.

              • I’m not saying anything different. But just because most are benign, there is no laughing matter when something causes someone to be hospititalized because of a drug side effect where they told her point blank, never have this substance injected in you again. Its semantics. She used incorrect verbage to describe the condition, a mistake that most non-doctors would make. I get personally very angry about this issue because I am very concerned about my son when he gets to school age and gets the shot that caused so much pain and danger to my wife happening to my son. So forgive me if I don’t care about the semantic differences between official mental retardation and brain damage. They both cause similar effects, and are both terrible things to have happen.

                • I should not have to jump through hoops to opt out of a mandatory innoculation or face dire consequences even when I opt out.

                • I should not have to jump through hoops to opt out of a mandatory innoculation or face dire consequences even when I opt out.

                • Anonymous

                  Why doesn’t society just make everything simple for you, so you won’t be inconvenienced. Get off your butt and opt out if you don’t want your daughter to get a shot.

                • Even if you opt out, it still has consequences. And the fact that it is mandatory in the first place is the main problem. It is absolutely ridiculous. If you do opt out, it leaves you open to public school and private school discrimination. Which, if it were opt-in would not be a problem.

                • Even if you opt out, it still has consequences. And the fact that it is mandatory in the first place is the main problem. It is absolutely ridiculous. If you do opt out, it leaves you open to public school and private school discrimination. Which, if it were opt-in would not be a problem.

                • Even if you opt out, it still has consequences. And the fact that it is mandatory in the first place is the main problem. It is absolutely ridiculous. If you do opt out, it leaves you open to public school and private school discrimination. Which, if it were opt-in would not be a problem.

                • I should not have to jump through hoops to opt out of a mandatory innoculation or face dire consequences even when I opt out.

              • I’m not saying anything different. But just because most are benign, there is no laughing matter when something causes someone to be hospititalized because of a drug side effect where they told her point blank, never have this substance injected in you again. Its semantics. She used incorrect verbage to describe the condition, a mistake that most non-doctors would make. I get personally very angry about this issue because I am very concerned about my son when he gets to school age and gets the shot that caused so much pain and danger to my wife happening to my son. So forgive me if I don’t care about the semantic differences between official mental retardation and brain damage. They both cause similar effects, and are both terrible things to have happen.

            • Mark Smith

              I’m a doctor, too. You don’t “develop mental retardation”. It’s ridiculous. Most seizures are benign (neurologists call them “brain sneezes”) and you would have to suffer long hypoxia to suffer any long term effect. That would be “brain hypoxia” or “brain damage”, not “mental retardation”. Would you say a child who has drown suffered “mental retardation” before death?

            • Mark Smith

              I’m a doctor, too. You don’t “develop mental retardation”. It’s ridiculous. Most seizures are benign (neurologists call them “brain sneezes”) and you would have to suffer long hypoxia to suffer any long term effect. That would be “brain hypoxia” or “brain damage”, not “mental retardation”. Would you say a child who has drown suffered “mental retardation” before death?

          • Ok..I’ll follow your rabbit hole. Does Diarrhea cause GI cancer, or does diarrhea itself cause damage to the GI tract itself? No. What does a seizure do to the brain if worse case scenario happens? Trying to put an equivalency to a benign problem to a seizure…what on earth? Am I understanding you right that you are saying seizures do not cause any harm to the brain?

        • Anonymous

          Mental retardation and a seizure are two different things. I don’t even begin to know how to answer your question. Bloating and diarrhea are two side effects of almost every damn drug out there, but I wouldn’t say that because someone took a certain drug they have GI cancer, now would I?

      • While it may not be wise to repeat a personal conversation about something like this, are you saying that allergic reactions cannot cause seizures that can then cause brain damage that has alot of the same symptoms of mental retardation? I’ve seen the effects of seizures in person, and I cannot reconcile the statement that this is not possible. She just used an incorrect verbage.

  • As others have pointed out here, the “mental retardation” statement was based on anecdotal experience of one woman and not on research. Doesn’t mental retardation have an early, even embryonic, onset? If anything, wouldn’t the (alleged) effect be described as brain damage? Knowing only the barest surface of the allegation is no basis for a bold statement about the cause -and-effect of a vaccine.

    I think the Bachmann Express just jumped the tracks.

  • This coming from the same woman who celebrated Elvis’ birthday on the day of his death..

    • Anonymous

      Did you hear her response to the “30 year old that needs medical attention” question. She dodged it. The only conservative answer was given by Ron Paul.

    • Anonymous

      Did you hear her response to the “30 year old that needs medical attention” question. She dodged it. The only conservative answer was given by Ron Paul.

  • Anonymous

    So, I am to believe a daughter “became” mentally retarded at age 12 after taking
    Perrys’ vaccine??

    • Anonymous

      Complete rhetoric. Bachmann should be ashamed of her ignorant statement. That is what, as Bachman so vocally hates, what mainstream media would do, provide a nonsensical, biased, unfounded statement.

  • Anonymous

    Governor Perry rescinded the order anyway.

    • Still..that and the “I will err on the side of life” comments cement his proclivity to believe that the government is better then individuals at deciding what is good for them. He never backed down from the mandate, just on it being an executive order. I like perry on alot of things, but this tendency to think government is the solution and the best decision maker on personal decisions bothers me the same way it did with GW Bush.

    • Still..that and the “I will err on the side of life” comments cement his proclivity to believe that the government is better then individuals at deciding what is good for them. He never backed down from the mandate, just on it being an executive order. I like perry on alot of things, but this tendency to think government is the solution and the best decision maker on personal decisions bothers me the same way it did with GW Bush.

  • Anonymous

    Bachman is in overkill mode, exaggerating issues and circumstances for her personal gain..very unstatemanlike….a total non starter for me. What is the difference between opt in or opt out…every parent and child was given the opportunity to refuse the vaccination. Get Real. The intent and motive was pure, to offer vaccinations that would reduce cancer risk.. Also, a $5,000 donation for a candidate is no way crony capitalism….it went to his campaign not into his pocket…he did not receive the funds directly, nor indirectly, and the amount is grossly insignificant. I am totally disappointed with Bachman and Santorium…this is not a game, deal with the real issues. The American people are looking for substantive issues and proposals and we are dishartened by Repuplicans sinking to shallow rhetoric and sensationalism that Democrats thrive on.

    Get Real….make your case for American issues that we face and propose real solutions that we can evaluate. Get off the stupid stuff.

    • Anonymous

      Great comment! She’s an opportunist, not a conservative. You can listen to her right now attacking Big Pharma. She’s toast!

  • Anonymous

    Bachman is in overkill mode, exaggerating issues and circumstances for her personal gain..very unstatemanlike….a total non starter for me. What is the difference between opt in or opt out…every parent and child was given the opportunity to refuse the vaccination. Get Real. The intent and motive was pure, to offer vaccinations that would reduce cancer risk.. Also, a $5,000 donation for a candidate is no way crony capitalism….it went to his campaign not into his pocket…he did not receive the funds directly, nor indirectly, and the amount is grossly insignificant. I am totally disappointed with Bachman and Santorium…this is not a game, deal with the real issues. The American people are looking for substantive issues and proposals and we are dishartened by Repuplicans sinking to shallow rhetoric and sensationalism that Democrats thrive on.

    Get Real….make your case for American issues that we face and propose real solutions that we can evaluate. Get off the stupid stuff.

  • Victor Noir

    I came over here looking for an actual conservative Tea-Party person to answer a question, but these comments are all from lefties.

    In any case: does anyone know what the Tea Party position is (to the extent that there is one position – I know it’s hard to generalize) on vaccinations in general, aside from HPV? Is Bachmann only excited about the STD aspect of the HPV vaccine, or are Christian home-school types opposed to vaccines in general?

  • Not exactly making herself look like a leader. More like a catty office worker.

  • Anonymous

    On Hannity, Bachmann is now attacking Big Drug Companies. Great! Now Tea Party members attack private enterprise. She’s definitely not getting my vote. In my opinion, her current attacks on drug companies are no different than Obama’s attacks on CEOs and the rich. Despicable, Bachmann!

  • Anonymous

    welcome to the real world bachmann, and even if you do get to become president u cannot do anything about it…lobbying is perfectly legal and has been done and will be done for years to come…questioning perrys motive is fair game only problem is it makes bachmann look small…as for vaccine…opt ins like what santorum keeps ranting and raving about will not increase access to the vaccine, however when u mandate a vaccine it becomes cheaper and increases access…that is why a mandate with an opt out is not all that bad…as for the rights of the poor innocent girls…these girls do have parents…and it is upto the parents not the girl…and howcome conservatives are ok with losing rights over the war on terror but make a big deal over losing it on the war on cancer???

  • Anonymous

    welcome to the real world bachmann, and even if you do get to become president u cannot do anything about it…lobbying is perfectly legal and has been done and will be done for years to come…questioning perrys motive is fair game only problem is it makes bachmann look small…as for vaccine…opt ins like what santorum keeps ranting and raving about will not increase access to the vaccine, however when u mandate a vaccine it becomes cheaper and increases access…that is why a mandate with an opt out is not all that bad…as for the rights of the poor innocent girls…these girls do have parents…and it is upto the parents not the girl…and howcome conservatives are ok with losing rights over the war on terror but make a big deal over losing it on the war on cancer???

  • Clearly Perry doesn’t appreciate individual liberty or understand the proper role of government when he signs an executive order mandating vaccinations for 12 yr old girls without parental notification or consent and making it difficult for parents to opt out.

    But Bachmann just voted to extend the Patriot Act. So in her world it’s OK for little girls to be sexually assaulted by rent-a-cops at the airport. After all, just buying an airplane ticket in America makes one a terrorist suspect today.

    Do you really think Bachmann cares about personal liberty? She was a “tax lawyer” as she calls it. That’s politically correct speech for an IRS prosecuting attorney which is what she really was. The IRS pioneered the idea of guilty-until-proven-innocent which seems to be the way the US deals with everyone now.

    I don’t like Perry’s crony capitalism or Bachmann’s embrace of the police state. Ron Paul has fought both — consistently for 30+ years. He’s the honest, small government candidate.

    • Anonymous

      It’s only difficult to opt out if you were held back in kindergarten three or more times. If that is the case, I blame natural selection and society for letting you reproduce. Ron Paul is great, but we don’t need another president blaming America for the worlds problems. He and Obama are too similar in that regard.

  • She is in ‘self-destruct’ mode.. She’s obviously not on par with Romney / Perry / Newt. All she does is say “i lead the effort” against Obamacare, against, this against, that.. ya michelle that’s all well and good, but you have little to NO real accomplishments to stand on.. Saying you lead an effort to do something, doesnt mean you were successful.. And right now, we are looking for someone with REAL executive experience.

  • She is in ‘self-destruct’ mode.. She’s obviously not on par with Romney / Perry / Newt. All she does is say “i lead the effort” against Obamacare, against, this against, that.. ya michelle that’s all well and good, but you have little to NO real accomplishments to stand on.. Saying you lead an effort to do something, doesnt mean you were successful.. And right now, we are looking for someone with REAL executive experience.

  • Anonymous

    I agree with Rush, she jumped the shark.

  • Anonymous

    I agree with Rush, she jumped the shark.