“That’s exactly what I said. I said I’m wondering if they’re better off under government subsidy, and their young women are having the abortions and their young men are in jail, and their older women and their children are standing, sitting out on the cement porch without nothing to do, you know, I’m wondering: Are they happier now under this government subsidy system than they were when they were slaves, and they was able to have their family structure together, and the chickens and garden, and the people had something to do? And so, in my mind I’m wondering, are they better off being slaves, in that sense, or better off being slaves to the United States government, in the sense of the subsidies. I’m wondering. That’s what. And the statement was right. I am wondering.”

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  • sDee

    I am wondering too. It is not hard after watching this to see what phase we are now in.

    If you can get the cows to attack each other whenever anyone brings up the reality of their situation, you do not have to spend nearly as much controlling them directly.

    • gellero

      OMG……… 😉

      • warpmine

        OMG is right!

  • nobsvet

    Bundy was doing quite well at illuminating federal overreach by the BLM. I hope his comments about race haven’t resulted in his own overreach; dimming the light that was revealing a too large and intrusive federal government.

  • No_BlahBlah

    A little unartful,
    But when we see the Black overseers, jesse jackson, al sharpton, the naacp, the political overseers BEAT into submission any Black that DARES to wander off the progressive plantation,

    I’M WONDERING.

    • There is another class of coloured people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs, and the hardships of the Negro race before the public. Having learned that they are able to make a living out of their troubles, they have grown into the settled habit of advertising their wrongs – partly because they want sympathy and partly because it pays. Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs.

      — Booker T. Washington

      • No_BlahBlah

        This might rub some the wrong way, but it won’t if they think about it for a moment.

        Passover was just celebrated. The story of a people being enslaved and then liberating themselves by trusting in the Lord.

        Passover ends there. The story about that enslaved people does not however.

        Numbers 14:21-33.
        The Israelites were not capable of standing on their own like Free Men. Until their children had been hardened by the desert, learning the hard lessons of self sufficiency to depend upon themselves with the help of God.

        Until this simple acknowledgment of Human Nature occurs, greed, envy, covetousness and sloth will continue to infuse the character of all, of any race, who allow themselves to be enslaved by their own weak nature.

        • warpmine

          If we would only rededicate ourselves to Him, His Law, we could once again take part in Liberty. However, I can’t see this happening without some tragedy with blood being shed, lots of it. Even after the miracles from the Lord, some were still beguiled into thinking slavery was better than living as free men and so an entire generation of Israelites were to be consumed after 40 years wandering the desert.

    • warpmine

      The Negroes are only one that fall under this, the entire population of the Dems and the GOPe play this game as well and I sincerely believe we’re need a revolt to get free again.

  • timeout31

    I have been wondering that myself. Killing each other, etc. The master of the past was not their choice. The master of today is their choice. They are blessed with liberty and freedom however they chose to be enslaved by the welfare of gov’t. I am wondering….and they are not the only ones: whites, illegals….are we (any of us) better off enslaved to gov’t subsidies. Come forward all you who have NOT wondered that in your mind.

    • “they”? There are a lot of “they” of various hues.

      Don’t fall for liberal bigotry: The problem is not skin color, but character.

      • 1972patriot

        I didn’t gather liberal bigotry from that comment at all. “…and they are not the only ones: whites, illegals….are we (any of us) better off enslaved to gov’t subsidies.”

        • Nunya Bidness

          I remember being taught slavery = bad. I’m sure they taught me that the only slaves that existed were in the southern U.S. but that’s not true so I disregard it. Welfare = Slavery, Slavery = Bad :. Welfare = Bad.

          I’m for a little bit of help when the chips are down but YEARS, with no end in sight?? Sorry but that is not right.

      • Klaus

        The great thing about diversity is that a jury consisting of people of all faiths and colors is unlikely to vote unanimously. Power to the People, not Big Brother!

    • Tbone Agitation

      Blacks were targeted first because those pushing the welfare state were the true racists. Margaret Sanger, Robert Byrd and yes even Lyndon Johnson.

      The plan is the same for all of us, non-blacks just weren’t targeted first. We see the future before us.

      • warpmine

        As with all of the “ism’s”, always targeting those least likely to understand what they mean, the people occupying the lowest part of the economic ladder.

    • SlackerInc

      Ladies and gentleman, it’s your modern day GOP!
      (And no: I have NOT wondered that in my mind.)

  • Army_Pilot1967

    Mr. Bundy, you really don’t want to wonder about those kinds of things in America today. Better to leave that subject alone in my view. But you do what you think best for you.

    • $13245463

      We should wonder about them and we should fight against the BS. We’ll fight another civil war if required. A guerrilla war against federal tyranny and against libtards.

    • celestiallady

      That’s one of the problems – leaving things alone – and look what happens. He is doing what is best – not being a slave to political correctness.

    • Smorfnimda

      Its not about wondering – read between the lines Mr. No-Nonsense. Its about “our government sucks under Obama and 85 percent of blacks worship him!!!!!” ….. all in the name of “yah da white mans gettins whats deys deserve”!!

    • warpmine

      Sure but he didn’t mince words and he’s apparently not politically correct. If you can’t deal with straight talk than you best put fingers in your ears much in the same manner they do now.

  • Sane Shackleford

    He’s an old man and they set him up to look like a racist.

  • Booger Brown

    God Bless this man for standing up for Americans freedoms and truth. He has taken the lead in standing up against a tyrannical corrupt Federal Government.

  • Booger Brown

    Bundy is saying the exact same thing that Bill Cosby says. People hate Bundy because he has white skin.

    • Black people hated Cosby after he said that too.

      • Nunya Bidness

        Yeah, they really turned their backs on him after that. It was bad.

      • ForTehNguyen

        hated him because he shouldved acted black

      • ManaMoffa

        Bundy must have watched this

        African Americans agree with him

        • Those people aren’t what we call, real niggas, they are a bunch of Uncle Tom, sell-outs.

    • Klaus

      Why doesn’t the BLM give the NEGR0S the 40 acres and a mule they were promised?

      • Did you know that the first American slave owner was in fact a black man? His name was Anthony Johnson, and his slave’s name was John Casor.

        • Klaus

          Who was the first black American slave owner who owned a white slave?

          • realistic12

            Barrack Obama

            • Klaus

              Boehner gets a check from the government, and he sits around all day doing nothing, too. He even seems happier when he is working for Obama to give amnesty to illegals.

          • TheLibertyDefender

            Nice deflection. The first American slave owner was a BLACK MAN. Maybe they should feel some “black guilt” because of this….?

          • Jack_Kennedy

            when has affirmative action/quotas made the law?

    • nibblesyble

      Did Bill say it was better when they were slaves? That was an asinine thing to say and Bundy was wrong to say it. Bundy may have had a point with some of his thoughts, but he stepped on it with the picking cotton and slave thing.

      • Klaus

        Now wait a cotton picking minute. That’s Shinola on Bundy’s shoe. I can tell by the media spotlight shining off it.

      • Tbone Agitation

        Not better BECAUSE they were slaves. Better WHEN they were slaves because they’ve traded one type of slavery for another. Huge difference.

        Bundy is actually empathetic towards them, usually a feeling that liberals try to monopolize and manipulate.

        Funny how when someone is truly honest and empathetic, people don’t recognize it and just start to attack.

        Don’t just follow the sound bytes about Bundy. Listen to all his full interviews, there’s a lot of them out there. Interesting how a man who has worked so hard his whole life and stayed close to the land has so much to teach all of us.

  • 1vote

    Why does it have to be one or the other? How about neither of the two?

  • Chris D

    FULL CLIP…he is no racist and he is for amnesty…POST THIS ON EVERY LIBERAL TOILET PAPER OF RECORD

  • Travis M. Cotton

    The Bundy family might want to hire a PR firm….

  • ManaMoffa

    He’s saying they are still in slavery , the ownership papers just changed hands.

    • BCS

      Yeah, no one can sell their kids or beat them if they refuse to do a job now, and they’re allowed to go into all public places. Maybe just a little better than slavery. Don’t you think?
      It’s not pretty for the majority of blacks these days, but that statement of his was totally ignorant. There are obviously a lot of successful black people, and even the unsuccessful are glad they’re not slaves.

  • Junk

    I’m wondering how the majority of conservative black people took his comments. What a shame.

  • celestiallady

    You go Mr. Bundy and thank you for having that courage to say what most cowards will not.

  • bandi9

    exactly Sane Shackleford. He was totally set up, and him not being a polished, artful speaker, it came out wrong. i know what he meant, but please, Clive, dont agree to any interviews until the source is vetted.

    • RedGA

      Ahhh. The era of personal responsibility is over. Always blame someone else. Never take responsibility for one’s actions. Deflect and blame someone else for trapping. No one has the ability to just say, “hey, I’ll just shut up now” or simply choose not to speak to those in the media they know will bait them. Fact remains, he said what he said not once but now twice. no room to say words were twisted. He only confirms the intent each time he opens his mouth.

  • DrJedi001

    Conservatives shouldn’t be using the Racism charge as a trump card (as the Left does), voiding out any/all other arguments.

  • Marcus Cantrell

    I’m wondering how 3% of the population gets away with 52% of the homicides and not one strong white man has the balls to get in front of the podium and call these murderous black males out.

    • BigR2

      I did not get that out of Bundy’s comments.

      • Marcus Cantrell

        You should have.

  • d1comment

    I overheard that the BLM only shot the black cows….

  • Melvin Leppla

    I don’t believe most of those who have posted have fallen for the oldest trick in the Marxist book. All government’s do it. And that is completely publicly discredit, and humiliate the target being Bundy into silence.
    Even Cliven fell for this for answering a question that was designed by the propagandists to achieve what it has.Politicians are high tailing out of the desert, public supporters will not feel so inclined to exhibit public support.
    In effect Cliven Bundy or anyone associated with him, his ranch, his family, has been publicly assassinated.
    News truck will leave, Cliven has no public support and Democrat Majority Leader Senator Harry Reid completes the land deal with the Chinese or whomever and this issue will settle into the Nevada sunset and the saga of Cliven Bundy will all but be forgotten.
    Lastly where is all this public indignation when Al Sharpton runs his mouth?

  • Bundy’s idiotic and racist ruminations do not justify liberal tyranny.

    • ManaMoffa

      He’s saying that blacks are still in slavery, and that it’s wrong and even worse than before.

      • LineInSand

        We are ALL in slavery now. To the Federal Reserve.

  • Rob

    The left will now paint Bundy and everyone who supports him as a racist. It’s already started.

    • $4440459

      I don’t care if people call me racist, and neither should you

      • Brad Donald

        Yeah im over it. They have cried wold too often.

      • The Hunger Artist

        That’s their only weapon, pointing their finger and calling you names like a third grader. If I’m a racist than I’m one with a whole lot of logic to bounce back with.

      • Rob

        I was just stating a fact. You will now see every single leftwing news outlet and website paint him as an old hate- filled racist and criminal. And anyone who supports him will be thrown under the bus with him.

        The politicians are already jumping ship and disavowing this man for his comments. It will be a tidal wave. Good luck standing in front.

        • RagnarDanneskjold

          And have you woken up from the dream or do you still think there are conservative politicians in America?

          • Rob

            No, I seem to be caught in a nightmare. I don’t much recognize what the country has become. I’ve watched as most politicians race to see who can sell us out the fastest.

    • IdgaradLyracant

      They already started that before this.

    • RagnarDanneskjold

      If they call you racist: ask them to define what that word means. Better answers: “so what?” or “I don’t care.” If you get defensive, it means you are a racist. People who aren’t actually racist don’t give a crap if low IQ leftists call them names. Does anything in Clive Bundy’s comments sound like he hates black people? He stood by his comments be cause he’s not a racist and he has balls. Rand Paul is either a closet racist or he has no balls.

      • LineInSand

        Whatever possessed Bundy to say what he did? This has nothing to do with his situation with the feds. As far as I can tell, there was no logical reason for him to state what he did. He was not defended because he is white or a Mormon or a Republican or westerner. He was defended because he was standing up against the fed and the people wanted to help him from the feds.

    • cattastrophe

      So what? That’s what they do. If they can’t take it out of context they make it up. They’ve been calling T-Party members racist for years with no proof whatsoever.

      • Rob

        Bundy needs to skip trying to speak about other races because he makes himself out to be a fool. The leftists take old fools and make them into posterboys of old racists. He will sink his own ship in short order if he can’t keep his mouth shut. It’s that simple.

  • Marcus Cantrell

    The first slave owner in America was a black man named Anthony Johnson.

    • CombatVet

      Well…I guess slavery was alright then, uh? Wow.

      • Marcus Cantrell

        Your a slave. What’s the difference?

        • CombatVet

          You mean “You’re.” I gues you’re gonna call me the N-word next? Oh boy..I better get Al Sharpton on the line. lol

          • Marcus Cantrell

            The leaps of faith would make one think you believe in God but we know that’s not the case so I assume you’re trying to antagonize me like a good liberal. Ironic how you tolerant liberals always try to act like English professors also. You’re what’s called a radical autonomist one who uses the truth when it’s convenient and then throws it out at will. I thought the word guess has two s’s. Is N-word a word?

  • gailannr

    I almost blew it by at first denouncing him like the politicians and media and then I realized there might be more to it. I am old like Clive Bundy and I honestly understand part of what he is saying, no…..most of what he is saying. There might even be more I would add and some I would delete.
    I read on and saw this comment, found it very interesting!

    comment by timeout31

    I have been wondering that myself. Killing each other, etc. The master of the past was not their choice. The master of today is their

    choice. They are blessed with liberty and freedom however they chose to be enslaved by the welfare of gov’t. I am

    wondering….and they are not the only ones: whites, illegals….are we (any of us) better off enslaved to gov’t subsidies. Come

    forward all you who have NOT wondered that in your mind.

  • RagnarDanneskjold

    More faux right-wingers showing themselves to be leftists and running away like little girls because they’re afraid of being called racist. Proof that they will do nothing to change Washington. When will conservatives stop throwing their votes away?

    • LineInSand

      Are you stating that conservatives have to think that white men are definitely superior to the rest of all the people? That’s little difference from the Democrat Establishment, who think that all non-white men need their protection.

    • cattastrophe

      Rand Paul lead the pack and the left hasn’t been this gleefully happy since Bush left office.

  • Brad Donald

    HE IS RIGHT! Have the PC police gotten so powerful that they can actually block the facts and discussion of how destructive LBJs polices have been to the black family?

  • Melvin Leppla

    Oh I forgot. has anyone noticed in how Justice Clarence Thomas has been recently called every name under the derogatory sun about the recent Supreme Court rulilng and the Left and propagandists are cool with his denunciation.

  • BigR2

    As usual an open mouth with foot inserted. Mentioning his private thoughts on the matter of people in general on the Government dole has little to do with his grazing rights. Out of the jaws of Victory defeat is usually snatched.

    • WTFrontyardAmerica

      I would rather give to the man who worked the land and made it better, than pay someone a lifetime of goodies, who sat on their bums most of their life not being productive. why do you think the big Corporations want Immigrants instead of hiring people off the welfare rolls.

      • LineInSand

        Like most of the GOP & Democratic Congress members who have never worked in the private sector excluding lawyer firms and government contractors????

  • sjmom

    God bless Mr. Bundy for his honesty. Its a good question and methinks the answer is evident. Nobody is ever better off being enslaved to the govt and that is exactly what the Obama administration is trying to do; enlave ALL Americans to the govt. The problem is many are too stupid to see it.

    PS. Jesus said we can’t serve God and mammon. Maybe this was part of what He was talking about because if you’re depending on govt instead of God then you’re serving the wrong “master”.

    • RedGA

      Tell Bundy then since he is mooching off someone else’s land for free and trespassing.

      • notebene

        That land you speak of belonged to Bundy’s family since 1877! BLM made a grab for it under the false premise of saving a stupid tortoise that didn’t need the government’s help. He also paid the grazing fees but checks weren’t processed by government conveniently when Harry Reid and his son made a sweet deal with the Chinese to build yet another “environmental company” on it. Odumbo…is that you?

        • RedGA

          Show me the proof of this. Show me a legal document showing ownership of that land. You cannot because nothing of that exists. Stop believing the spoonfed nonsense. Want to see how gullible you are? The tortoise issue came up many years after the BLM. He stopped paying the fees. He paid them using the proper method but then just stopped. Weren’t processed? Again, stop believing the nonsense. I would love to see all your legal proof on all of this…not some regurgitated Alex Jones nonsense but legally valid proof that would hold up in court if presented. Because right now you are passing around heresay backed in no fact. So keep on trolling without facts and proving you are just another low information troll.

          • Jeremiah

            Request the documents from the BLM (FOIA) that were deleted from their web site within days of this “problem”.

            • RedGA

              What documents? What does that have to do with Bundy’s claim backed with no proof?

      • sjmom

        I guess I hit a nerve when I mentioned Jesus.

      • Jeremiah

        Legally he has ownership rights to the land by “adverse possession”.

  • misterlogic0013

    Cliven Bundy for President ..

  • bewaretheprophetwhoseeksprofit

    I am an oddity. Our family is from the south, very old southern family. Many of our family members owned slaves, yet being from a racially diverse background, many of my family member were also slaves. Our “2nd mom” growing up was a negro woman who we all loved as much as our real mother. Unfortunately Mr. Bundy is spot on. If anyone cares to disagree with him just visit any major metro city and go through the black housing projects. Might I recommend you start with New Orleans or Atlanta. If anyone would just be honest and look and see what is happening to the welfare crowd in the south and major cities you cannot deny that Mr. Bundy speaks the truth.

    • RedGA

      Truth? Yes, being counted as 3/5 of a human being is truth. Being paired up and bred like Bundy’s cattle for more exploitation and profit is truth. Having your wife or children ripped from your arms is truth….and keeping the family structure together. Being beaten to death, branded, burned, tortured, and even lynched is truth. Being raped by your master with no due process or voice is truth. Yes, being treated no differently than an animal is definitely truth. I am sure that is a better way of life. Clearly your perception of truth is flawed. While the state of affairs in many of these areas is horrible this is NOTHING like the conditions of slavery. If you think I am wrong, let me produce an experiment with you as the volunteer subjecting yourself to treatment in both areas and tell me which is better. Let’s see what truth you deny there.

      • Jeremiah

        So, your recommendation is to feed them, cloth them, house them, like “animals” by a benevolent government. No need for them to really participate in the any achievements.
        Considering what is happening in ghettos, rape, murder drugs, etc. is this all they can expect from society or from each other ?

        • RedGA

          Logical fallacy. I did not say that at all. But to say their current situation is worse than slavery, with no choice or rights at all, is ignorant at best. The fact Bundy is mooching off of government land for free makes him no different. Clearly he cannot survive unless he uses land that does not belong to him. Why don’t you demand he pay his own way? Why depend on anyone else? Why not buy his own land? And survive and thrive from his own means? Regardless if it is Nevada or the feds he has yet to prove he has rights to mooch off land not his. He’s living off the government plantation and profiting off of it.

          • Tanks-a-lot

            grass does not belong to the government

      • Patriot077

        I’m not commenting on any of your remarks except the opening as it is quite consistently misunderstood. The ONLY reason the 3/5ths clause existed was to facilitate the eventual elimination of the institution of slavery from the newly constituted United States. The states with slave owners wanted to have the slaves counted in the population to give them greater representation in Congress (the bigger the population, the more state representatives allowed) but they also wanted to say the slaves were property, not persons. The Founders knew that if the blacks were counted one on one, the southern population would overwhelm all of the other states in Congress and they would never be able to outlaw slavery. Many (not all) of the Founders were rabidly anti-slavery (rightfully so, in my opinion) but had to work with the situation as it existed at the time. This was a distasteful compromise, but it did allow all the states to ratify the Constitution.
        There are many who either don’t know the historical background or choose to ignore it, but it is highly inflammatory if not considered in context.
        It’s amazing to me that the US is still faulted though a war was fought to free all men, while slavery still exists in much of the world and nobody seems to give a rip about that.
        I have a vivid memory of a panel discussion, on the pros and cons of slavery, that I had to participate in when I was in 5th grade. Of course I got stuck on the “pro” side and got a failing grade. I could not think of one thing about slavery that was good. My family never owned a slave or could even afford to pay hired help but I feel blessed as our family worked hard and remained intact.

    • CombatVet

      so whats the difference between the inner city and trailer parks?

      • bewaretheprophetwhoseeksprofit

        If you don’t know the difference then the best way is for you to visit several trailer parks and several inner city projects and then you will KNOW the difference.

        • CombatVet

          There is no difference in respect to their reliance on government assistance.

  • Vick Cherey

    Finally someone who has the courage to tell it like it is. Mr Cliven Bundy is a true patriot and a knight of God. Praise Him.

    • RedGA

      God is not exactly pleased with those who disrespect their God appointed authority in government. You may want to read the Bible and especially Romans on a respect for authority and those who run government.

      • Jeremiah

        That is New testament, I am old testament.

      • notebene

        The president doesn’t therefore we don’t need to give something that isn’t earned! I know it’s a concept lost on you…EARNING something by actually WORKING…it’s lost on the pResident too…sad he’s your leader!

  • stargazeman

    I wonder the same things too…those who question his statement the loudes—i guarantee dont live near, among or with Negroes on a regular basis…most are sitting safely in lilly white suburbs, or gated communites, far far away from the reality of the poor Black. Thats probably why that segment remains that way—denial from those that could make a difference…suggest some of them should ‘take a walk” sometime and have a look-see at just what Bundy is describing….if you make it out alive, all the better.

    • tvlgds

      Yep, some of them should go hang out in the inner city ghettos to see what it’s like. Crime ridden, drug infested dung holes!

  • Conservator1

    Anyone may disagree with me, but there’s no reason to wonder if blacks were better off as slaves versus those trapped on the plantation manner. None!

    There’s nothing to wonder about IMHO. Slavery was a death sentence and one of America’s historical horrors.

    • tvlgds

      I don’t disagree that slavery was one of America’s historical horrors, but the modern day death sentence comes at the hands of their own mothers -record numbers of abortions in the black community!

      • Conservator1

        I don’t disagree about what the progressive plantation has done to African Americans. I was born and raised in one of NYC’s worst ghettos.

        But it’s foolhardy,racist and bigoted to to wonder whether blacks were better off under slavery IMO.

        • tvlgds

          Yet some of them are STILL under slavery on Uncle Sam’s Plantation. They just don’t realize it.

          • Conservator1

            Have you ever lived in a ghetto? Yes, blacks face huge problems because of Uncle Sam; death rates, unemployment, abortion and a plethora of other problems.

            Yet, it doesn’t come close to slavery.

            • tvlgds

              Not in, but near – it’s a different kind of slavery-they’re 100% dependent on someone else for their survival, the decent people who live there are in constant fear because of the crime, so they’re somewhat enslaved by thugs. I’m in no way defending slavery in any form.

              • Conservator1

                That I can agree with because I seen and live in black communities and know how is destroyed many of black communities.

        • RagnarDanneskjold

          You know that many slaves died after being set free? Setting them free was a death sentence. Slave owners did not want their slaves to die, once set free they died in large numbers. 600,000 men died and half the nation was destroyed so that several hundred thousand more could die following emancipation. The greatest evil was the Civil War; slavery ended peacefully all over the world.

          If you read the slave narratives (recorded in the 1930s), some of the slaves missed their masters. Their lives were terrible after being set free. Economists have gone back and compared the living standards of slaves and poor whites in the South and found many slaves had higher standards of living.

          Not saying that slavery was good, but there’s a ton of leftist propaganda about what really happened, the motivation for war, and what happened in the aftermath.

          • Conservator1

            Oh I’m very well informed on carpetbaggers’ treatment of blacks after the Civil War. And you’re correct, after they won freedom, they were victimized which created such feelings. I also know the horrors of slavery prior to the civil war.

            Some Southerners in the Confederate States may have treated their slaves well. But that wasn’t the norm. But more often blacks were treated vehemently by their owners and lynched just for fun.

        • tvlgds

          Also, I think it was just a bad choice of words.

  • James Bizzo

    Slavery was an awful time period. The ‘wondering’ is ridiculous. That said, blacks are on a new kind of plantation – a mental plantation in which they believe democrats are actually working policy that helps the black community.

    • LineInSand

      To this statement, I can agree. But, to let you know, we are ALL now the indentured slaves to the owners of the government critters – the banksters. Color, religion, gender, citizenship doesn’t matter one iota.

  • DallenH

    So I guess the narrative is now, if you are a racist, you give up all other rights as an American? So if the Government is stealing and killing this man’s cattle, it’s okay because he made a racist statement? I don’t agree with his statement, but there is a bigger problem in Nevada with the BLM and Harry R. and Government overreach than can be negated by a racist statement from an old rancher.

    • RedGA

      Or the fact that he is under government subsidy as well using someone else’s land to mooch off of. Down votes prove my point.

      • notebene

        The land belongs to Bundy’s family…ownership since 1877! The government made a land grab…I know it’s so hard to keep those leftist “facts” straight…the kool aid rotting your brain and all.

        • RagnarDanneskjold

          Also they had to protect the desert tortoise from Bundy’s cows. The tortoises could handle all the nuclear bombs set off by DoD, but the cows were too much.

      • Millie_Woods

        His family has been using that land for grazing their cattle for generations and it belongs to the commonwealth. You’re welcome to graze your cattle there too with my full backing. It’s no different than someone who never paid taxes driving on taxpayers roads. At least Bundy is doing something useful.

    • RagnarDanneskjold

      If you are racist, homophobic, sexist, transphobic, etc. etc. yes, you are a non-person/crimethinker/walking trigger warning who needs to be kicked out of impolite leftist society. Why people who call themselves conservatives want to be part of that pagan and unnatural society is beyond me, but there you have it.

  • QueenHillery4Life

    Intelligent people of any race understand what he is trying to say, and see that it makes sense: Welfare is Slavery to the Massah of Government… except there is nothing to do and no reason to strive.

    The mouth-breathers with liberal indoctrination only choose to spew the same old sing-song “racist!” accusation. These people show that Leftist Americans are not capable of critical thinking and only capable of slinging feces from their Luv-Dat-Gubmint monkey cages. Pathetic socialist scum.

    • Lefties also love to accuse their opponents of what they do themselves, hence their constant accusations of “racism”, “homophobia”, “sexism”, and acting in bad faith.

      For example, which Republicans ordered the unnecessary closings of federal parks during the so-called “shutdown” in order to maximize the public pain of it? Which Republicans even had the authority to do so?

  • $98442859

    No need to explain yourself to me sir I get it, I do. It’s far worse now then it had been.

  • EchoLiberty

    Isn’t in interesting how NBC, CBS, et. al. wouldn’t touch the Bundy story, but now that race has been introduced, they’re all over it. So who is *really* stirring the pot, here?

  • AtlasObjectivist

    The only racism here is actually against Bundy.

    • RagnarDanneskjold

      You’re right, but you’re still falling into the leftist frame by caring about “racism.” You’ll never win by playing on their turf and using their thinking. You need to completely break free from leftist mind control. I recommend starting with “Liberty or Equality by Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn”

      • AtlasObjectivist

        Ragnar, I sincerely thank you for this insight and the book recommendation. I was not familiar with Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn. After briefly reading about him I see I should be. You are entirely correct, I have defended myself and debated racism to no end. Time to change course.

  • bonestabone

    Here we go, race card pulled, left wing and state media has steered issue to fit their narrative and paint the Bundy’s as racist right-wing nuts. I guess if we’re seeing this that means the Feds are still desperate to destroy the Bundy’s so the raid will commence as planned.

    • junkyard dawg

      10-4.

  • Bossman

    what most people don’t realize the tables are turned….. Who really are the slaves, mainly what used to be the middle class Americans are the real slaves… Pay crushing taxes and if not they could lose everything, they pay to have those that won’t work keeping them fed and housed… so who really are the slaves.

  • rksimpson

    Bundy is more intelligent than all democrat politicians put together.

  • John Smith

    ASIA FOR THE ASIANS, AFRICA FOR THE AFRICANS, WHITE COUNTRIES FOR EVERYBODY!

    Everybody says there is this RACE problem. Everybody says this RACE problem will be solved when the third world pours into EVERY White country and ONLY into White countries.

    Everybody says the final solution to this RACE problem is for EVERY White country and ONLY White countries to “assimilate”, ie., intermarry, with all those non-whites.

    They say they are anti-racist. What they are is anti-white.

    Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.

    Diversity is a code word for White Genocide.

  • Jeb

    “What one generation tolerates, the next generation will embrace. What one Generation embraces, the next will Demand!”

  • RedGA

    I do find it ironic he makes a racist statement about government subsidies – code words for mooching when he is using someone else’s land for grazing his cattle without permission and without paying fees. Whether it is Nevada’s (according to him) or the US government’s, he is still using the land for free without permission. He is mooching off the government to benefit himself. I guess that makes him like the “Negro” in his example.

    As for worse in slavery, yes being 3/5 of a person with no rights at all, abused and beaten by a master with no due process and even lynched by ignorant mobs is always a better way to go. Family structure together? Yes, being forced to pair up to breed more slaves like cattle and then having your ‘wife’ or kids pulled off and sold off like cattle. I see a recurring theme here. Sounds like his mindset is that a group of people are no different than his cattle in his mind.

    • Gary Mathis

      How about the “moochers” who come across the border for all the freebies. I’m sure some of them crossed “government” land. Do they owe the government a crossing fee? And, yeah, a large percentage of Blacks are exactly that: moochers.

      • mitchbetterhavemybunny

        So are a large percentage of whites. Grazing fees are common practice that other ranchers routinely pay. That’s why even Glenn Beck referred to Bundy as a “welfare” rancher. His whole operation is taxpayer subsidized

    • Gary Mathis

      White liberals have done as much to destroy the black family as white slave owners. That’s just a fact.

  • Janet Mathews

    Whatever Bundy’s personal views are on anything, they do not detract from the fact that what the federal government did to him and his family was wrong.

    No one thinks black people were happy being slaves. Of course they weren’t. Bundy pointed out the fact that now, in 2014, any person, black or white, who depends upon the federal government to put food on the table or a roof over their heads is enslaved by that same federal government. If you are on food stamps or dependent upon the federal government for your basic needs of life in any way, then the feds are your masters, and you are their slaves. That is a fact that is not easy to swallow, but there it is.

    Is Bundy racist? It actually does not matter. People who are wise enough to see the big picture here will see that it is not about Cliven Bundy. It is about millions of Americans who think it is acceptable for the feds to steal private land for any reason they may see fit. It is about millions of Americans voluntarily enslaving themselves to the federal government to have their basic needs of life met, instead of living in a self-reliant fashion. Welfare from the federal government has destroyed the American family unit and destroyed the dignity of self-reliance for millions of Americans of all colors.

    • mitchbetterhavemybunny

      Yes, If I give you free things, clearly that is the same thing as enslaving you. Get a grip.

      • To be fair, there is a historical precedent for interpreting “The first one’s free” as ominous.

  • CU1

    This man is a nutcase! They were able to have their family structure under slavery? Does he realize that families were routinely torn apart and sold away to other slave masters? This includes women, men, and children being torn from their families and sent off to another plantation like cattle. That women were routinely raped? That they worked 18 hour days and didn’t have a “life” of their own? This is embarrassing. And to think I was rallying to his cause only a few days ago.

    • Richard the Lion-Hearted

      You were there huh?

    • Gary Mathis

      Well, government paternalism destroys families too, doesn’t it? But you’re right mooching liberal Blacks sure don’t have to work any 18 hour days. No sirree!

  • Anon ymous

    Here is the problem. When the black community wanted to be called “Negro’s”, the White community obliged, and even created a Baseball league in the process, which is still called by that “Slang” term, and even celebrated by the Black community. Then that was racist, and wanted to be called “Colored”, so again the white community obliged. Then that was racist, and wanted to be known as “Black” or “The Black community”, then Gangsta Rap, recreated a most vile “Slang” term, and promoted the “Black community” to “Own” it, so that it wouldn’t hurt you. Well, we know how that is turning out. Now Hispanics, White, and Asian “Wanna be’s” are using it now….Way to go on that one. Then “Black” or “Black Community” wasn’t reflective enough of the proud heritage, so “The Black community” wanted the “politically Correct” term of “African-American”. A SEVEN syllable word, that turned 2 minute conversations into a 15-20 minute conversation. Now, we still have “The United Negro College Fund”, but no one seems to mind that one, and now everyone is so confused as to how to address “The African-Ameri-Negro-Black-Colored-Organizational Community”. He does have a point in that “The Black Community” has less choices under Government Subsidies, but probably should have stayed away from Slavery. Did he have a point in that Family values were stronger while they were under slavery? Hell yes. The proof is in the present, where are “The Black Community” values now? Raping each other, killing each other, fathers a barely around, drugging each other, ripping each other off, and anyone in said community that tries to bring this up is labeled an “uncle Tom”…just ask Bill Cosby. We all know that Bundy, with all the interviews, still seems to be thinking within a very small realm of society, and time period. Can we fault him for using the term “Negro”? No, how could we? Can we fault him for using the wrong euphemism to make a point? Sure, but his intent wasn’t to be racist, but to convey that not only are “The Black….Oh, forget it, not only are Blacks slaves, but we are all Slaves to the GOV, until we stand up together, and take this country back.

    • HingedFaithinGodthinker

      Excellent point sir.

    • CU1

      This issue isn’t over the term “Negro.” In fact, this term is still used by many old timers, black or white, and was even on the 2010 Census. The problem is Bundy’s crass and historically inaccurate account of slavery. Slaves were not able to have any family structure to be proud of. Does he realize that families were routinely torn apart and sold away to other slave masters? This includes women, men, and children being torn from their families and sent off to another plantation like cattle. That women were routinely raped? That they worked 18 hour days and didn’t have a “life” of their own? This is embarrassing. And to think I was rallying to his cause only a few days ago. Shame on you for defending.

      • Anon ymous

        Did I say, I agree with him all the way? No, I stated that I see the “Little” points he was trying to make, but also admitted that using slavery was the wrong euphemism. So not sure what the problem is. Just trying to make heads or tales of a strange situation.

        • CU1

          I believe that you can’t make “little points” out of slavery in this context. I’m sure there were somethings that HItler did that world leaders can follow (such as his focus on urban development). But, in light of his other atrocities, this is the last example people should be making. He should’ve tried something else. And so should you.

          • Anon ymous

            What do you mean, so should I? I am stating facts of societal history, in relation to the story. So don’t start your BS on my side of the street. I already asked and told you he should have used a different approach. Since you brought up Hitler….Our GOV is following the very path of that Psycho, and we are all Slaves. I wish you luck, as this “Debate” will lead nowhere, because you can not see past what you think is racism, or an injustice.

    • BigR2

      Bingo. Nail hit right on the head. Hat tip to you.

  • jefferb

    What he said is not the most artful way of making a point. The majority of blacks are slave to the democrat party. Democrats in government throw scraps at them to keep them and their vote chained to them. Sadly their lot in life will not improve until the shackles are thrown off.

  • John Smith

    Asia for the Asians
    Africa for the Africans
    White countries for Everybody
    “Diversity” is a code word for White Genocide.

    • Richard the Lion-Hearted

      John Smith is a code word for ignorrant fool. Apologies to any others with the same name…

  • mr.Truth

    All those “racists” in the metropolitan cities across America must be shooting and killing a few thousands of them “Black males” :)..and wounding many thousands more ..them racists … must be forcing Blacks to play “knock-out” games and beat down Whitey for his I-phone and forcing them to fill the prisons and forcing them to abandon all the baby mommas and their kiddies they implant into them.

    Man them racists be busy 🙂

  • Haywoodjbl

    Truth at its finest…..makes total sense to me

  • rational_thinking_one

    Just when the Republicans had a shot to take both houses… Lets see if he’s on Hannity tonight!

  • Flannigan

    Maybe Democrats get the support of black voters because during slavery, about 100% of them were working…which certainly is NOT the case today!

    • Buhwhee

      OMG…brilliant!

  • E. Newton

    Clive Bundy has attained hero status. I’m heading to Mount Rushmore this week with my jackhammer.

  • B-Funk

    Poorly worded, by I understand where he’s coming from. Now the media will eviscerate the guy.

    • disqus_LpicJRrFVL

      gotta demonize before they can roll in and kill him

  • nibblesyble

    Bundy is right that the gov’t is too big and encroaches on it’s people, but he is wrong here and it is not helpful to us to defend him. It just furthers the whole “tea party racist thing’ and I want nothing to do with it.

    • exactly. He has screwed over the many people who came to his defense.
      I feel bad for Rand Paul that he stepped up to support him. I guess Palin and Cruz were smart to stay away.

  • DinkumThinkum

    He could have phrased it better, could have been more elegant, but there’s nothing wrong with what he is saying.

    Blacks are still slaves, slaves to the federal government. And unlike during plantation times when blacks had some kind of culture and value system now they have reverted to complete savages living without culture of any kind. They rape and murder and destroy everything around them. They lack culture and black “leaders” and liberals do everything they can to prevent them from developing any.

    It’s much easier to control and manipulate a bunch of uneducated and uncultured savages.

    Until blacks stop living off of the government and develop their own culture they will forever be slaves to someone else.

    • B-Funk

      I’d add that we’re all now on the plantation.

      • Brian

        Thank you.

    • Veteran

      Like Neil de Grasse Tyson? Like Kanye West? Like Eric Holder? Like Herman Cain? You are a real a$$hole.

      • Imma let you finish, but I just wanted to say, de Grasse Tyson, Cain, and for a West you went with Kanye, rather than Allen? Interesting. Please continue.

        • Veteran

          Kanye West is wealthy, which is the measure of success in this society. He’s probably worth more than the other 3 combined. He’s black and rich, like it or not.

          • You make a valid point; although, if wealth is the index you seek, I’m surprised you didn’t include Ms. Winfrey, whose holdings surely dwarf even Kanye’s. Ah, but perhaps you were subtly addressing DT’s allegation that blacks ‘lack culture’, by intentionally selecting someone suffused in a culture likely to be abhorrent to your target. Fascinating. Please, don’t let me interrupt: pray, do continue.

    • AStoner

      They had a culture before the civil rights act. Many were business entrepreneurs. Then civil rights and the race hustlers and the entitlement mentality corrupted their culture.

    • AmericanDuckie

      You did ok until after your first paragraph. Lumping a whole segment of society and describing them as complete savages is pretty much over the top, and I think some folks like Mychal Massie, Clarence Thomas, Allen West, Star Parker would take exception to that- although they’d probably agree with the basic premise that government has kept too many on the plantation.

  • mr.Truth

    Well …Truthfully and obviously …Anybody who can see and goes down to the Black areas of Town ..KNOWS that Bundy is right about the squalid, crime-ridden, drug infused , nothing to do lives of a Whole lot of Blacks in America .

    • Hillary2016

      I hope Repubs run on your racist platform. It will help us secure the White House for the third consecutive term.

      • mr.Truth

        I KNOW 🙂 …people see your leftist denial of reality and understand that you really do see Black people as “genetically inferior”. People are real tired of you leftist fascists and THAT is what is going to lose you nitwits the Senate 🙂

        • Hillary2016

          Denial is saying that Blacks have an equal chance at getting a good job and make it in in White America. Bundy highlights what many GOPers are thinking and this attitude represses the advancement of Blacks in our society.

          • AmericanDuckie

            Yeah, it’s so repressed that we have a half black man in the White House, a black man sitting on the Supreme Court, black Senator, black congress, doctors, lawyers.

    • Aaron Booker

      …and whites…

    • dscottv

      That’s true but you can’t talk about the protected class like that today because just pondering questions such as Bundy’s are considered “racist” just as opposing or questioning sexual perversion is “bigoted.”

  • disqus_LpicJRrFVL

    spin it how you like, hes right.. the war on the family is what created this out of control elfare problem.. children no matter what color need a mother and father.. a family who loves and encourages them..

  • PR_Ohio

    I would strongly disagree with Bundy’s premise by asking if blacks are better off today than they were under slavery. The REAL question is are they better off after selling themselves BACK into slavery to the Democrats in the 1960’s than at any time since the Union Republican Armies under President Lincoln freed them from Democrat slavery as a result of the Civil War?

    I would dare say that 50+ years of being back under the thumb of the Democrats has by and large virtually destroyed the black family and their faith and value system, and any pride or self-sufficiency they ever had. This was by design, and engineered by the Lyndon B. Johnson administration.

    As a younger man I railed against the Democrats for re-enslaving and exploiting blacks and the crimes against humanity they have committed against Black America. As an older man I have to concede that Blacks have mostly done this to themselves. The Democrats were just more than willing to own and exploit them once again. Also, I just laugh at both blacks and Progressives who accuse Republicans for being racist. The shameless hypocrisy is so childish it’s rather amusing.

    (There ARE exceptions. I personally know a number of Americans of African descent who have left the Democrat Plantation. Of course the Plantation Blacks hate, revile and despise them more than they do whites.)

    • Anon ymous

      He was referring to Family values, not as a whole. He even realizes that the Black Community has lost its way under GOV subsidies. Was it a dumb euphemism? Yes, but he is correct in that Family values were stronger during that atrocity then now. That is what he was trying to convey, not that they were better off as a whole, and should be slaves again.

      • PR_Ohio

        Here is where you are mistaken and why Bundy’s premise is erroneous. Family values were a moot point under Southern Democrat slavery because black families were often broken up as a result of slave-owners selling the children and even husbands and wives to other slave owners.

        Many slaves were taught and permitted to practice Christianity, and upon that foundation came the strong family and community ties they had built after they were freed, and it lasted up until the 1960’s but have deteriorated rapidly ever since.

    • joejohnson043

      No one in their right mind would wonder if they were better off under slavery! FFS, the state had the authority to murder you with impunity, tear your family apart and steal anything you produced!!! Clive Bundy has just revealed himself to be a fed coat agent provocateur who just tried to smear all liberty minded patriots as racists! Bunch of bs! This quisling may as well work for the SPLC!!!

      • PR_Ohio

        I think Bundy is rather simple man (not calling him stupid, just ignorant on the history of this subject), but his observation of the destruction the Democrats and government dependency have wreaked upon the American Black demographic is spot on.

    • Jimmy Ray, Jr.

      The Democrats had to present Obummer as the savior in order to hold the black vote in its net. I believe people are waking up to these failed socialist policies. Please pray it is not too late.

      • Ludlow Porch

        I’M PRAYING!

    • BigR2

      I worked with a young man whose father worked for “the MAN” in Mississippi during the 50’s. His father had a provided house of substantial size, a pickup truck, paid for utilities and food. He recieved $75.00 a week working the fields with which he PAID cash for his 5 children to attend college and better themselves. This young man is now older, helping his father in his old age and asked me this. “Who is better off, we that work and pay taxes to support those that dont work, or his father?
      I should point out that his father IS a Republican, he is a Republican and they both know who the “Plantation Owners” are.

  • Couranto

    “…chickens and garden, and the people had something to do.” And if they didn’t do it, they was, um, whipped or sold.

    What a dummy. Glad Cruz & Palin stayed far away from this crack pot.

    • The comparison is legitimate. Today’s slavery is actually worse than black slavery back then. The reason is that they knew they were slaves back then, and only had one direction to move. Today’s slaves are mostly ignorant about their slavery. Today’s slavery includes “all people” under a tyrannical government controlled by foreign powers. Black slavery in the US happened under a government who at least claimed to support justice for all, and eventually got around to doing something about it, even if it wasn’t the primary focus of the Civil War. Today’s slavery will take us all into despotism and global governance which will result in the beating and killing of US citizens for just about any minor infraction, which we are seeing now. We can no longer own property, and are quickly losing our right to bear arms. We no longer have the freedom to choose many things including where we get our food, and what is in our water supply. Most Americans still believe that we have a legitimate electoral system, but we do not, and so we no longer have a say in our own governance. Our money supply is the “company store”. It is created from nothing by a private foreign bank who charges us interest to use it, and sets the interest rates at will, creating booms and busts that cause us to go into debt that can never be paid back. We are controlled (governed) from the barrel of a gun, as Clive Bundy knows too well. If I had a choice, I might pick the slavery of the 19th century blacks. Many of them were given plots of land by their owners to work and raise their families on while working the plantations and farms of their owners. They had clean food and water to consume. Their owners had a vested interest in their health and safety, unlike our government today.

      • AmericanDuckie

        Good to see you librtifirst!
        Wish it was a different thread, and not 12 hours later 😉

        • I heard about this thread on the Alex Jones show yesterday. He mentioned TRS when referring to this interview. I’ve been following this issue since the beginning, and before anyone in the MSM was covering it. It has been interesting to see the MSM come in and manipulate the truth right from the start. Even Fox was part of the initial cover up, then had to start covering the issue in more detail, taking the “conservative” side. Many people don’t seem to quite get the “freedom from tyranny” side. It basically comes down to who supports the State and their made up laws, and who will stand with support for our liberty, in defiance of the criminals laws.

          • AmericanDuckie

            You’ll get no argument from me libritybrother. I’ve not followed for as long, but definitely stand with the Bundys and others who are going through it too. Now the lamestream and FOX and others have made it all about race, we can’t let them change the narrative.

    • Ludlow Porch

      I would say you are reading more into his statement, than what is there. He is comparing how Negros are living today under “entitlements,” ( a form of slavery to the Democrats) with the way they lived under plantation slavery. And he is asking, are they truly better off? That is not being racist. He is actually wondering, do they have a more “productive” happier life being slaves to the government? Are they happier with family members in a cemetery due to drive by shootings? Are they more content with their children involved in gangs, drugs and playing Knock Out Games. Are they content with black unemployment being higher than any other ethnic group? Are they satisfied with the blacks out numbering any other ethnic group in the U.S. prison system. Well, are they?

  • Guest

    I do not agree with what you have to say, but I’ll defend to the death your right to say it.

    • Finkin79 .

      I don’t even see the issue with his statement. He’s wondering if their current slavery to the State is any better then their previous slavery to land owners…It’s a question.
      Are questions now Racist things?

      • mitchbetterhavemybunny

        “current slavery to the state”… get a grip.

        • Finkin79 .

          If you don’t believe that you need to visit some of the inner city slums some time.

        • badbadlibs

          Why don’t you get a grip on reality…start there.

      • badbadlibs

        Under the democrat ran administration of the most racist president in history…..yes, questions are racist things as well as anything else that can be exploited to the benefit if their leftist agenda.

    • mitchbetterhavemybunny

      I don’t think anyone, anywhere has implied he doesn’t have the right to say what he wants. Other people, however, have the right to criticize him for spouting inane garbage like that.

      • da_sawce

        You must not have seen the 1st Amendment Zones that they had posted there, for not just him but anyone else who showed up and wanted to say what they want.
        But I’m digressing…
        my point is the same as the Voltaire quote that I posted.

  • Gary Mathis

    Harry Reid: “See? Toldya the BLM agents should have killed Bundy and his family. See?”

    • Guest

      oh…I’m sure that somewhere a green light has been given.
      He unfortunately just did Harry Greid, the BLM and ENN a huge favor.

  • pete602

    Cliven Bundy is not the issue. Regardless of his views, the Constitution protects pretty people, and ugly people none the less.

  • Billboy35

    Racist….nope….no where in his speech does he claim he is superior as a white man to a black man….please in the sake of honesty lets call this what it is…prejudice and even that is a stretch…big difference….

  • Spot on, when Barry and his National Socialists see black folks starting to get great educations, learn meaningful skills, save money, invest in real-estate they start to give them the squiggly eye and cross their arms. Black folks are not permitted to move up the ladder, Barry’s rich 1% will not have any of it! Just look at how Harry Reid went off on Tim Scott for soiling his all white liberal male Senate – called him the shinny one!
    — Obama was a “light skinned” African-American “with no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one. Dirty ‘Harry’ Reid

  • Matthew

    The man is a simple cattleman as his family has been for generations you expect someone from the backwoods to make his point like a socialite? Simply put the man asked has the black community traded its values for a hand out? And are those handouts doing anything to fix the social structure of black communities? and the Answer is No it is not it is killing black communities……How do you help people who don’t want it….In my opinion anyone on welfare that is not actively trying to get off welfare is a slave..A Slave to the government and their own shortcomings and lack of responsibility.

    • bonestabone

      Even if he was more refined and careful with his words, state media would’ve found a way to smear him and shift public opinion to make the inevitable raid more palatable to the public.

    • Janet Mathews

      Before Lyndon Johnson began the “War on Poverty”, the average black child lived in a stable home where his parents were married, and his father went to work every day while his mother stayed home with the children. How sad that nowadays, for most black children and for many white children, “Dad” is a welfare check. Welfare has destroyed millions of American families.

    • joejohnson043

      Him making these statements is literally the equivalent of being stabbed jn the back by a self preserving quisling! Those who supported his side were already being demonized as domestic terrorists, now he does the bidding of the SPLC by making them all look like racists!

      • Matthew

        To me he was making a visual observation….he said one word and that word was negro to him that just may be the polite word maybe he hasn’t heard the term “person of color” out in the desert. Its not like he said all N*%gers are trash,sub human ect ect what ever supremacist BS is usually spouted….Point is no one knows but him how he really feels…i am not saying the dude inst Racist but I’m not going to judge him on the context of an article without speaking to the man once…..And one more thing if you let words hurt or offend you…..it must suck to be because only the words you let hurt you will….and that’s not living….our time is limited get over it live.

  • 2eRep

    Makes sense to me, entitilement leeches, crimminal behavior, riots, knock out games.

  • ApplePie101

    Welfare dependency and its effects are a kind of slavery, but it can be escaped. Problem is, most welfare slaves are enslaved mentally and psychologically as well as financially, and it’s not just blacks. I see plenty of white welfare slaves who’ll probably be slaves till the day they die.

    • Janet Mathews

      Exactly. Anyone living on welfare is a slave to the government.

      • Bossman

        Janet you are the slave… you are forced to pay taxes to feed and house those who won’t work… Think about it.

        • Finkin79 .

          Best case scenario, we’re all slaves to Government in one form or another.

          • Bossman

            Correct… you don’t own your property as long as there is property taxes…. quit paying income taxes then you lose everything plus jail time….I don’t think our Founding Fathers wanted it this way.

            • Janet Mathews

              I am sure they did not.

        • Janet Mathews

          At least I am not the slave of anyone or anything by choice! There have been rough times in my life when I “qualified” for food stamps and all of that stuff, but I NEVER took any of it! I knew it was a trap. I chose to rely on G-d and on my family.

        • ApplePie101

          Until we stop working and/or leave. Where will you get your free money then?

  • CombatVet

    Reading some of these comments it makes sense why its so easy for Dems to paint us all as racists. Looks like we need a good old fashioned purge of these types of ignorant, uneducated, and unAmerican so called “conservatives.”

    • ManaMoffa

      Most of those commetns are from Dems and their sock puppets

      Bundy was saying that blacks are still in slavery and it’s a bad thing, not that they should be in slavery

      • CombatVet

        As someone who decends from slaves and overseers, I can tell you…no..Blacks arent better off under slavery. To ask that question reveals Bundy is out of touch with our country, and reality as well. Most people on government assistance are white. Would you ever ask yourself “should whites be slaves instead?” Come on man.

  • Once again the media has found a way to deviate from the main issues. Harry Reid laughs. This guy really stepped in it, though.

    Stick to your grievances with the Feds, Clive.

    • nibblesyble

      here here!

  • BigR2

    The point being out of all of this is…..our Government is close to being out of control. People of all races, beliefs and nationalities should be up in arms about being spied upon by the NSA, investigated by the IRS, endangered by the lack of border control AND being controlled by the Government by it “doing what is good for us because we are not smart enough.” Taking land into Federal Control from the states is very wrong. A good example: The bald eagle survives because of lawful protection, not by seizing its nesting lands.

  • Dandee

    They are slaves either way. That’s what Rand Paul should have said. And it’s all by design. The left needs them for votes and for abuse.

    • Bossman

      Dandee you are the slave… you are forced to pay taxes to keep those fed and housed… so really who is the slave?

      • Dandee

        I don’t need them but they need me so no I’m not a slave

        • Bossman

          don’t pay your taxes and see what happens….when you are force to do something that you disagree with then YOU ARE THE SLAVE.

    • 5555555555

      Bundy is wrong because black people didn’t go straight from slavery to being dependent on government. There was a huge period of time, roughly 100 years, in which they prospered. The decline of the black middle class is something that occurred in the mid 20th century, and it was the result of progressivism.

  • Vlad Lenin

    Poor b*stard fell hook line and sinker for the smooth character smears of the left. This doesn’t change a thing…in fact it’s time to double down on defeating the left and big government once and for all.

  • Richard the Lion-Hearted

    Truth is white people freed the slaves, white government re-enslaved them with hand-outs, planned parenthood, and telling them ever since that they can’t make it without them, that they can’t compete with white men fairly, that they need special help, special needs…
    Any black brothers getting it yet? …other than conservative black americans?

    • cb2000a

      Precisely….the truth cuts like a knife through all of the politically correct rubbish.

  • Brian

    Well, whatever your view is of his comments, he has effectively ruined any of the positive things he had done. The start of this was about government overstepping their boundaries. Now, the discussion will just fall apart and turn into a racist vs. patriot argument, and nobody will remember the fact that this is all Harry Reid’s plan to make millions for himself on a chinese-owned solar farm, while selling out his state and country.

    Missing the point FTL.

    • Richard the Lion-Hearted

      He only ruined anything with anyone who was infirm in their ‘supposed’ stance to begin with, those who bow to speech control, and political correctness were never on Bundy’s side. Including these knee-jerk responses from Rand Paul, and the rest. If Rand bows to political correctness (which he just did), then you now know that he is “as a leaf blowing in the wind”. Do you all get it yet? We have NO side in Washington, this is beyond Washington.
      We The People, that’s the solution, that’s what will not happen though because the sheep outnumber the wide-awake, and those awake are split by faith, how to respond, and ethnicities.

      • Brian

        Every politician in the country is “as a leaf blowing in the wind”. The entire nations capital is composed of “lobbyists” who’s entire existence is the bribing of politicians, and politicians who’s entire existence is squeezing money out of anyone who wants to speak to them.

        You are right, though, we have no side. Here’s hoping a disaster, natural or otherwise, takes DC and all of the inhabitants into the Atlantic.

  • Melvin Leppla

    Well, well lookeeee here from the Wash. Free Beacon. “Obama administration prioritized solar development on public lands.”

  • Vlad Lenin

    The government and left playbook: when in doubt, call them racists. I’m sick of this crap…time for a war.

    • Call them racists, and watch them prove that they really are racists.

      • ManaMoffa

        Bundy’s comment is pointing out the plight of blacks today, where their situation is horrilbe , essentially slaves to the government , far too many young black men in jail , too many black people without jobs and success do to government’s new planation

        I think you are the racist if you think black men should be disproportionately in prison

  • sDee

    196 comments. Looks like “the cows” attacking each other right on cue.

    Bundy pointed out the reality of our situation.

  • E. Newton

    Bundy is not a sophisticated media guy. He’s a rancher. He raises cattle. You know cattle right? That’s what makes the hamburgers that blacks consume in great quantity at McDonalds.

    Either way, if Clive Bundy’s truck had broken down on Martin Luther King Blvd. in any U.S. city, he would have been beaten to death just as quickly three years ago as he would now.

  • mr.Truth

    Leftists are Big State Power lovers and oppressors …Harry Reid type …fascists … who are more akin to Kim Jong Il and Pol Pot than they are to Kennedy.

  • joejohnson043

    Looks like he was a setup all along. He’s a Mormon just like Harry Reid and Romney. Last rancher standing…. Man I bought it hook line and sinker, the reality is, you don’t last that long unless they want you to last, and this was a way to fully demonize anyone who dares resist tyrannical unlawful overreach of government officials, as being racist domestic terrorists! There is no way this guy just says this absolutely lame statements that just happen to fit perfectly into the splc script, unless he’s been a setup!

    • Richard the Lion-Hearted

      He is old school, very tired and stressed I am sure, and the only thing I disagree with about his statement is the way he said it, other than that it is absolutely true.

  • markstoddard

    Oh my goodness. Talk about a stupid conversation. The mind boggles. While myself and others (including plenty of people of color I know) were sympathic to Bundy having to face down government thugs (correctly enforcing a bill but in a terrible way), Bundy just lost a whole bunch of supporters. You’re on your own Mr. B. Lien his property, feds. And leave him alone to fade into the sunset.

    • Richard the Lion-Hearted

      Yeah, sounds like you were behind him all the way, not. Here troll, troll, troll. So if someone says something ‘off-color’ then it’s okay to be tyrannical as a government. You ARE the government ignoramous.

  • The desert is racist. Nevada is racist. Cows, milk, beef, and leather are racist. Cowboy hats are racist. Guns are racist. Owning property is racist. The government loves us. We must boycott all those racist things and let the government control them.

  • Trojan Horse

    So the moocher is calling out other moochers?
    As a Republican, it is embarrassing to read the comments on this board and find folks trying to rationalize what he said. I’ve been saying since this began that Bundy is the same as a welfare queen, as he expects something from the government that he has neither paid for nor deserved.
    Just STFU and let this guy fade off into the sunset and become a Jeopardy question, as he’s confirming everything thing the media says about our side.

    • ManaMoffa

      There is no such thing as grazing fees paid to the government. to be on government land

      • Trojan Horse

        Bwahahahahaha! No response needed.

    • rejecttyranny

      Moocher? Really? He has probably paid more in taxes than all the welfare queens in Vegas COMBINED. Gimme a break with the judgement based on your view of the CBS news tonight.

      • Trojan Horse

        Not since 1993. But hey, I’m sure you know more than the courts that ruled against him on every occasion.

        • ManaMoffa

          The courts didnt order him to pay grazing taxes
          There is no such thing as a fee to use public lands
          They ordered a penalty of 200 dollars a day per cow

          The past BLM “fees” were for the SERVICES that the BLM provided to ranchers, which they stopped providing

          • Trojan Horse

            You really are that stupid, aren’t you? The fees are based on the value of what he enjoys by using the public land for his cattles’ grazing.
            That has a value; and, by not paying the required fees, (that all other farmers have to pay), he has essentially profited from the public lands.

            • Verbotene Gedanken

              “he has essentially profited from the public lands”

              ROFLMAO! Oh the inhumanity!

              You are awesome…

              • Trojan Horse

                And you guys are continuing to show our side has low-information voters too.
                Hey knock yourselves out on the USS Bundy (aka “Titanic”). You guys own him and all his folly.

                • Verbotene Gedanken

                  And you can have the USSA…

        • rejecttyranny

          Taxes friend not BLM fees. Geesh, read a little before you go keyboard warrior.

          • Trojan Horse

            Who cares, the guy hasn’t paid his fees in 20 years. Semantics aside, he’s a trespasser and a theif.

            • rejecttyranny

              Says who? The corrupt government that steals money on April 15th every year?

              • Trojan Horse

                Great reply. What page of the Tea Party playbook is that, because all of you seem to repeat it when facts elude you.

                • rejecttyranny

                  Stop it with your Tea party nonsense. I am a thinking American, dope. Not a bend over and ask ” how deep this time” drone such as yourself.

                • Trojan Horse

                  If you are a thinking American, then how can you reasonably support Bundy?

                • rejecttyranny

                  Who says I support Bundy. I say that this government continually oversteps their authority with little to no question. That is the debate for me. We do not have the total story here so I do not judge this specific story. We have much broader problems.

                • Trojan Horse

                  And Bundy would be a hero if he paid his fees and played by the rules. But he totally lost the high road when he was a scuffalow and allowed “patriots” to point weapons at the federal agents. Now, the federal government handled this like fools, and should have just attached a tax lien to his property; however, it is inexcusable what our side did.

                • rejecttyranny

                  I have to leave now but “played by the rules” has been the problem and why we are here. Now the rules are whatever the feds want. Some are just saying “not anymore”. Thanks for the discourse I do see your point.

                • Trojan Horse

                  I see our side’s point about federal overreach, but just think our side was totally wrong to attach ourselves to someone who flouted the law.

    • Verbotene Gedanken

      With this level of Ignorance of the facts of this case I’d bet you were a Democrat, not a Conservative…

      http://danaloeschradio.com/the-real-story-of-the-bundy-ranch/

      • Trojan Horse

        Tea Party playbook, Page 2: “Call everyone who doesn’t agree with you a liberal”.
        Page 3, “Say they are really a democrat”.

        • Verbotene Gedanken

          And supply link to back up assertion.

          • Trojan Horse

            Being facetious, and calling you guys out on how foolish you look on this issue.
            The rest of us Republicans are embarrassed by the far rights’ stupidity on this.

            • Verbotene Gedanken

              “The rest of us Republicans”
              That would be who, the Boehner wing?

              Sorry. Deflect all you like. The guy is absolutely correct.

    • Dandee

      A John McCain republican is not a republican.

      • Trojan Horse

        And a Tea Party Republican is still an embarrassment….

  • Mark Salinger

    Liberals are great at picking our conservative heroes for us so they can further malign Christianity, liberty and free-markets.

    Quit coming to the defense of fools just because some liberals or government officials are going after them. Sometimes it’s warranted.

    Bundy never truly owned that land, his own state concedes the Feds own it and it’s written in statehood documents. Bundy once paid grazing fees to the feds and they kicked him off because of a tortoise, which was stupid yes, but he kept grazing and it wasn’t that he refused to pay the grazing fees, those were FINES for grazing when he was not allowed. Let’s change stupid laws and agency actions rather than willfully disobey them and make a big standoff out of it. Nobody who was paying attention would have ever sided with this guy and the likes of Hannity do our cause a great disservice by trotting people like Bundy out as some conservative hero.

  • mr.Truth

    Kim Jong Reid wants to help the Chinese with their “wind farms” in Nevada … follow the money !

  • Martin Van Nostran

    Mr. Bundy. It’s the NYT. They will follow you around and ask you leading questions till they get the story they want to discredit you and your stand against their over reaching state. Next time ask the writers why the hypocritical NYT pays huge salaries and bonuses to the “1% er” execs at their paper while staffers are fired and laid off. Sounds like ” big uncaring business” and “income inequality” to me.

  • Bundy is an idiot for even discussing race or anything other than his ranch and the BLM in a public forum!!!! He walked right into it and he has taken the huge amount of public support for his fight with the feds and flushed it down the toilet. Rand Paul stood up for him last week which I applauded, and now is having to take cover. It is true that many black (and white for that matter) Americans are dependent on welfare and the family/community has suffered for it. But the other comments about slavery and “cotton picking” are racist and played right into the hands of the left!!!!!
    I am so furious with this idiot Bundy, he doesn’t realize what damage he has caused not only for himself but for all those who have stood up to help him and put themselves in both physical danger and increased scrutiny by the overreaching federal government.

    • RagnarDanneskjold

      He only plays into the hands of the left if you are a leftist. Conservatives don’t give a crap about idiot leftists.

      • Trojan Horse

        Then conservatives are going to look foolish and out of touch twice: the first time for even supporting him in the first case; the second, for rationalizing his comments. The first is understandable, the second is suicide.

        • Verbotene Gedanken

          Problem is… he’s absolutely correct.

          • Trojan Horse

            The conservatives do so at their own peril.
            I’ve thought the conservatives’ looked like hypocrites during this whole thing: were OK with Bundy flouting the law and court orders, trespassing and not paying his fees; but wanting the letter of the law enforced for illegal immigrants.
            We’re either for the rule of law or against it….not just for the other guy, but for our guys too.

    • Jenkins

      He doesn’t get that the media and the left will skewer him just like those idiot tea party candidates discussing “rape” and other idiotic topics will get skewered for saying dumb things.

      The leftist media lives for moments like these. Once you get painted as a racist, it is over. When will these idiots realize the media is on the side of government?

      People like you will flee his cause and that’s exactly what the media makes happen…over and over.

    • Oscar

      Post of the Day.

  • If you don’t think coercive collectivism isn’t racist at its core you’re a dope. Collectivism structure is run by an elite ruling class who view all “others” as “inferiors”. The inferiors are grouped by ethnicity and class. The laws of our country reflect the inequality of these racist and bigoted policies. Racism keeping minorities in segregated communities and bigoted against anyone who is a Christian, or believes in God. Secularist are exactly what Bundy infers they are. “Modern Plantation Owners”

    • Verbotene Gedanken

      They are the Ranchers.
      We are the Cows.

      Moo!

  • mr.Truth

    The BASE of the Left and Dems in America are …. “quota minorities” , drug abusers, unwed mothers , felons , homosexuals , moochers , free phone and food stamp gimme gimme types …etc…an EVERYONE knows that is the truth and knows the left is about lying about the truth …especially the “liar in chief” ..whom according to the latest polls is believed to be a liar by 60% of the American people. They’ll still take his bribe and free phones though 🙂

  • manny

    i never really stood on this guy’s side. he isnt paying his bills – it’s that simple. i was however against the BLM basically threatening military intervention and needlessly killing cows (food) when beef prices are already as high as they are. these comments confirm the suspicion i had that he was a loon

    • Roninf9

      The “bills” are illegitimate and the courts have said so.

      • manny

        bundy himself admits he owes $300,000 to the federal gov’t – but he doesnt recognize the federal government as existing, but the fact is the federal government owns that land, so he must pay them a fee to graze his cattle….i dont like that fact, but that is the fact – the feds own most of nevada land. it is ridiculous how the BLM acted, but cliven bundy is not above federal law – just bc u hate a law and disagree doesnt mean you can just ignore it…show me a citation where the federal courts said the bills were illegitimate – i havent read that anywhere yet

    • Sally

      it is not that simple. those “bills” got created and foisted upon him. if you were suddenly taxed for the air you breathe and said no you wouldn’t pay, but the powers that be kept adding to your bill and said you owe them a million bucks, how would you feel about that? would you feel that you were simply not paying your bills?

      • manny

        a tax is a tax. they used to not tax cadillac health insurance plans – now they do. new taxes are always “foisted” upon you, but that doesnt mean i can elect not to pay them

    • Anon ymous

      Is a “Fee” a Tax?
      Is a “Tax” Unconstitutional (per the Supreme Courts in 1913,1916, and again in 1920)?
      Enough said.

  • Jimmy Ray, Jr.

    Because of his popularity, the media will now try to excoriate him and take his words out of context. But, it does make me wonder. Would I rather be a slave to a property owner, have my family intact, eat farm fresh food, observe less crime or would I rather be a slave to a government, my family scattered, on food stamps, while observing more crime?

    I really believe he meant to say the government has taken people off of the landholder plantation and placed them on the government plantation. It reminds me of the senior citizens now struggling because they can not be hired as private sitters due to the payroll tax and other employment cost.

    We studied in private college back in the late 70’s how the welfare system would create the dependent society. It is now, unfortunately, multi-generational with more recipients than providers.

    Say it ain’t so!!

  • Listen to what the man is saying. He is lamenting the tragedy that has befallen African Americans today. He is pointing out the the systematic modern enslavement of a race of Americans by the liberal progressive democrat party.

    The democrat party has successfully recaptured millions of run-away slaves and now hold them hostage on the liberal plantation.

    • Sally

      I was trying to say the same thing but you said it perfectly. Thank you.

  • Anon ymous

    It is truly sad, though, that this will now be the main focus of the situation, and the true fight for what is really going on will be lost, and anyone who tries to defend the situation on the ranch from GOV tyranny, will now be labeled a Racist.

    • RagnarDanneskjold

      It’s all the same battle, this is what you folks need to wake up to! The tyranny behind it all is the left, and the left is for equality. You must reject equality and embrace liberty if you want to break free of this tyranny, but it first begins by freeing your mind. Read Liberty or Equality.

      • Anon ymous

        I read The Constitution, so I’m good.

      • rejecttyranny

        Don’t you have some fjords to sail and plunder nearby villages?

    • IdTbagAnyLib

      It is already assumed that if you don’t goose step with the liberals you are a racist.

  • badbadlibs

    AmericanDuckie….sorry, your work is cut out for you today. The trolls got the word to come invade and spew their hatred. 🙁

    • AmericanDuckie

      I see that. sigh.

  • Dandee

    Basically Bundy is pointing out the left has enslaved these folks by telling them govt can be their daddy. A daddy who will not change diapers or teach a son how to throw a ball. And many of us know why Margaret Sanger’s Planned Parenthood was created. Sadly, all those women have to live with their choice, which is worse than any slavery. And most on the left continue to deny Planned Parenthood was established to abort racial babies. Another diversion brought to you by the democrats.

  • daniel

    What he said was not racist, but it was insensitive, and he has a point.

  • Breathial

    His question IS a legitimate one. And it’s also a question that collectivists dare not address… they’ll call him a racist, anti-semitic, alien, *anything* they can, to avoid even addressing his underlying quesiton, much less *answering* it.
    .
    His PR cred is done, because he gave them the ammunition to discredit him, even though he points out the failure of the leftist agenda.
    .
    Pity, because he’s *smarter* than the collectivists… and his claims are 100% legitimate (with regard to BLM).

    • Jenkins

      Bingo. The progressives will have their victory and they will paint him as a racist to discredit everything he supports and stands for.

      Do these people ever learn?

      • rejecttyranny

        The progressives will have their victory for themselves that is it. For the Patriots, we do not work to convince a liberal of their enslavement. They are to stupid to digest that.

  • Ponyexpress

    As the cartoon of the Dos X guy says:
    “I am not always called a racist, but when I am, I have just won an argument with an Obama supporter”
    Bundy’s question though not artful or erudite and somewhat rhetorical still begs the question:
    What is the difference between slavery, and total dependence on a government?

    • Verbotene Gedanken

      I can always run away from the plantation. Unless it’s Uncle Sam’s Plantation…

    • Guest

      The difference is that they can now do nothing.

  • Verbotene Gedanken

    The truth often angers the guilty.

  • toledofan

    One thing is very clear, the blacks use the race card anytime the heat gets turned up and when someone says something they don’t agree with, same with the gays, the first thing that comes out is race, discrimination, and racism. Isn’t it time to put all this political correctness aside and stop being so sensitive to the nonsense. I mean if you really want to put everything into perspective, it’s Obama, His Administraion, and guys like Holder who have created worse race relations and they continue to stoke the fire. Look at what Reid has said in the past couple of days, and he’s involved in this why?

  • kssturgis62

    AMEN = You are not the only one wondering because I am also .!!!! To bad to many republicans jumped ship from this.

  • David English

    He isn’t very articulate, but he’s saying what the entire world knows. The tragedy of the Black American has entered its saddest chapters in these modern days. If their leaders have their way, the Black American will never attain the American dream.

    • Jenkins

      The leftist media disagrees and they’ve been looking for an opening just like this.

      He’s finished.

    • ApplePie101

      But individual black Americans who choose to live as independent, capable people, and not be shackled by the victim mentality, can attain anything.

      • David English

        Absolutely. The problem is, the independent and capable Black American is not profitable to the race-baiters.

  • Daddy-Government Knows Best

    A pretty radical way to point out a serious problem of today. I agree that an enslaved mind is a terrible thing, but genuine slavery is absolutely worse.

  • AmericanDuckie

    I see a lot of new folks comming to comment again, welcome- but please read the comment rules and abide by them. http://therightscoop.com/the-right-scoop-commenting-rules/

  • Jenkins

    The moderators seem busy at work removing comments on this one. What gives?

    • badbadlibs

      hatred isn’t tolerated here, you’ll have to go back to huffing post to read that.

  • eternalgreenknight

    I just love how the leftist media is spinning this everywhere. The guy asks, maybe in a less than PC way, whether or not people are better as slaves one way, or slaves another. It’s not polite conversation, but it’s provocative speech meant to make people think about what they are doing by trading liberty for “security!” A government that has the power to grant you everything, can take it all away. You will only get your hand-outs so long as you are slaves to the powers that be. This is the case in Argentina, and has been since their collapse!

  • rejecttyranny

    Just read the NYT article and the Rules for Radicals is in high gear on that Democrat Rag. Isolate your opponent etc. The federal government’s beauracrats have received a black eye because someone finally had the temerity to say “No, not anymore, and not on my states Land.

    • Guest

      RULE 12: “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.”
      Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go
      after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions.
      (This is cruel, but very effective. Direct, personalized criticism and
      ridicule works.)

      • john4637

        Lie, distort and lie and distort some more and you see the democrat platform right befoe your eyes!

  • Let_My_People_Go

    They entrapped him to skew the conversation. Lesson to All: STAY ON THE TOPIC at hand when dealing with the devils and snakes of the media. I get where Bundy is coming from and is geared to thinking people who understand the present circumstances in relation to the past. MOST Americans are too dumbed down to know the difference.

    • john4637

      We are dealng with that yellow rag the NY Times what do you expect?

      • Let_My_People_Go

        My point exactly. Most people wouldn’t understand why you even called them “yellow.”

  • ARIC Milam

    I don’t consider myself racist or prejudice being of Mexican decent, but I have often wondered that myself. But I never said it out loud,fearing a racist whiplash by others I know to be very liberal.
    What? ! a person can’t voice their opinion without being discredited or called racist?
    Heck I think the same of Illegals coming over to get on the govt teat and their young men are in gangs and really resent people like myself born in the US. Don’t think many US born Mexicans haven’t felt the same as myself, we sense it. My family here in the US goes back to the 1840’s, we have always been here,the U.S.

  • mr.Truth

    In NYC ….LA County… Chicago etc…. according to Dept of Health statistics .. 84 % of the victims of Gun homicide are Black males ..about 10% Hispanic and about 6% White …

    THAT IS EXACTLY What Bundy is talking about

    • john4637

      In Philly when a black male survives to reach the age of 21 he is considered a miracle child!

    • rejecttyranny

      Uh, statistics. You are a racist for flinging factoids around.

  • Roninf9

    What Bundy said was right, of course, but he is a damn idiot for giving such ammunition to the Corporate Media which he had to know were out to destroy him. Why can’t people on our side develop a little discernment or savvy when it comes to these things.

    • ApocalypseSoon

      because good people only think in honest terms. it’s difficult for us to fathom that such evil as holder and obama, can even exist… at least in non-demon form.

      • Leester

        The phrase “be ye wise as serpents” comes to mind…

        • ApocalypseSoon

          the problem is, it’s not cool or hip to read the bible. which is sad because it is FULL of wisdom, even if you don’t believe what it’s about.

      • Roninf9

        Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.

  • Leester

    Regardless of your opinion, why are you even talking about black people, Mr Bundy? This whole thing had nothing to do with race, but now you’ve gone and crammed it in there for no good reason than to shoot your mouth off. It was an ignorant thing to do.

    Between this and Sheriff Mack’s stupid (and false) statement about pushing women in front, they’ve ruined a lot of good will they had.

    I’m not really prone to conspiracy, but seeing Bundy come out saying stuff like this has me wondering. I mean, if you were looking to discredit your opposition, this is a pretty damn good way of doing it.

  • Dimocrats=NewNazis

    He’s right. It’s only “wrong” if you take it wrong. He’s not saying being a slave was good. But they were more people then than they are now. At least they worked for something instead of being “welfare slaves” today. The dimocrats have turned then back into slaves, political slaves. Now, they don’t know the value of hard work, they don’t even have the “self accomplishment” is what he’s saying.
    They traded being slaves, with the value of self accomplishment, for being slaves, with nothing other than a promise to vote.The dimocrat party has destroyed the black family. At least as slaves, they had family too, now they don’t even have that.
    But I expect the liberals to whine, that’s what they do. That’s about all they do, whine, cry, stop their feet, throw tantrums, lie…

  • Wowbagger

    Don’t expect Mr Bundy to be politically correct, but I suspect if he saw a black person in trouble out in the desert or anywhere else he would be the first to come to his or her aid.

    Truly the descendants of some blacks who escaped slavery have been entangled by the tendrils of the welfare state and the Democratic Party who only want their votes at election time.

    Frankly these people deserve far better!

    • oldspeak

      Not when they are part of the crowd yelling the loudest about racism, white privilege, and what they “are owed.”

      • john4637

        I for one don’t owe any black anything. My ancestors came here starving and because they had red hair and freckles were told not to even bother to apply for a job, none were available for them. No one ever gave me or mine a dime that we did not earn.

        • oldspeak

          I have red hair and freckles! Yeah, it’s really disgusting to think about that. I am of Irish and Sicilian descent. Neither was considered “white” even when they immigrated.

      • Wowbagger

        Those are just the slaves of the left working earning their keep.

  • john4637

    Hey, the man has a right to his own opinion and the 1st Amendment of the Bill of Rights protects his stating his opinons and beliefs. I will fight to the death anyone who would deny that man of his Constitutional protection! Opinions go both ways, pro and con, those who don’t like it can go to another country where they may feel more comfortable without the guarantee of free speech.

  • ForestWilson

    This is not a white or black issue…we are all subject to the servitude of Government if we allow it to continue to GROW! God help us to understand that the Government Largess is our collective downfall…

  • ManaMoffa

    Bundy is saying that BOTH slaveries are bad . not that blacks should be in slavery
    He’s saying they shouldnt and they still are.

    More young black men are in cages now than they ever were …just look at the prisons

    • J Frank Parnell

      yeah, he’s saying that negros should have the freedom to continue to choose slavery and legalized segregation.

      amirite?

      • ManaMoffa

        He’s saying that white men put them back in slavery and he’s right

        • J Frank Parnell

          He’s saying that negroes don’t work hard. I think that’s pretty clear.

        • J Frank Parnell

          Cliven Bundy has every opportunity to not live off the subsidies of the state, and he does, right? amirite? He’s totally subsidy free, right?

    • Rob

      The real trouble is, you have too many blacks who are conned by leftists into thinking being stuck in poverty and fighting for the next government handout is a good thing.

      Go on youtube and you can see loads of video of poor blacks thinking the only way they can and should survive is by taking what little scraps the government hands out and living like that. They are trapped in permanent victimhood and that’s where the democrats want to keep them.

  • manny

    Ted Bundy had no comment

  • GrandMe

    Because being a welfare slave is soooo much better than being an old school slave – says the progressives

  • Christopher Cook

    In 1794, when a group of 500 guys that also did not recognize the
    federal government and did not want to pay their taxes raised their guns
    on the tax collector, George Washington raised a 13,000 strong force
    and marched on them, personally leading the column. Obama should do
    the same. These anti-federalist neo-Confederates need to be taught the
    same lesson their great-granddaddies last learned 150 years ago.

    • oldspeak

      You’re very confused.

      • Christopher Cook

        And yet you can’t explain why. Is it a gut feeling that I’m wrong?

        • Peter Clark

          Sure, with Obama “personally leading the charge”!

    • You think Obama would be leading that charge? LMFAO!!!!

      • Christopher Cook

        Just topiss off the hatriots even further. That way more will come and we can take care of as many of them as possible. Actually, we should start adding Obama’s mug to Mt. Rushmore. All the conservatards will descend on the monument to stop it and not realize they are all in the same place at the same time.

        • oldspeak

          Are you a child? Hatriots and conservatards? Did it take you all day to come up with those or did you just steal them from Bill Maher? To make a comparison between these two situations is completely ignorant. In the one case the Federal government was entirely within its Constitutional bounds, and was therefore justified in its action. The current federal government is beyond extra-Constitutional. And, for the record, the only people “raising their guns” were the Feds, who brought automatic weapons to a standoff with a handful of family cattle ranchers.

    • Topsy Krets

      So i see you have never had to fight for rights in your life. I call bs I say you are a weak whiny little fool. You are the kid that causes trouble and calls in the cops to save him .You are the type of man that isn’t really a man you wear the skin of one but your spine is jelly and your soul is weak.

    • ApplePie101

      Then you’ll have 500 dead former taxpayers, as well as several dead Obama storm troopers, as the former taxpayers will be armed. The regular armed forces won’t turn their guns against Americans, so Obama will have to lead paramilitary units into battle, probably Acorn or SEIU volunteers bussed in for the event–and I suspect he won’t show up to lead them.

  • Mark Salinger

    The comments here about blacks on welfare are well taken, but Bundy made mentions of blacks picking cotton and having families under slavery and wondering if they weren’t better off as slaves picking cotton.

    Whatever point he was trying to make it has only achieved the utter opposite of anything valid. What’s more, the whole conversation was irrelevant to his own situation.

    • Richard the Lion-Hearted

      There is nothing wrong with picking cotton, it’s a job. Bundy is 80+ yrs. old. His life experience dictates his language as much as anybody in whatever era they’ve grown up in. He is, I am sure exhausted, stressed, and NOT in the least worried about political correctness, nor gives it any creedance like you obviously do, white guilt on display for something you had nothing to do with.
      Remember it was GOVERNMENT world-wide that sanctioned slavery.

      • Ronald Reagan’s corpse.

        So what you are saying Bundy had the presence of mind to use the word “negro”.

        • Richard the Lion-Hearted

          He (Bundy) had the presence of mind to not worry about how he applies his freedom of speech, nor how other ignorrant people take him out-of-context.

      • Mark Salinger

        It was not a relevant discussion to his case in the first place and any moron knows at the very least that that is NOT an effective argument. Since arguments are intended to persuade, using one as piss poor as this begs the question of why even bring it up at all? Not to mention that the way he said it kinda leaves the door WIDE open that maybe he truly is racist.

        This is NOT a cause to get behind and liberals are just itching to snooker us on something like this.

        • Richard the Lion-Hearted

          Like you said any moron knows, try seeing the whole interview, and his wife’s added comments ya lazy lib.

          • Mark Salinger

            Oh yes, anyone who disagrees with you is therefore a liberal.

            I’ve tried to look at the actual laws in place rather than interviews. This is another loser bandwagon that conservatives have chosen to jump on board which hurts our cause and for that reason it is infuriating to watch.

            • Richard the Lion-Hearted

              If it talks like a lib, sounds like a lib, guess it’s a lib, even though the lib doesn’t see it, which is further evidence in itself.

              • Mark Salinger

                You gather the entirety of my political thought from a few sentences regarding one situation from one man in Nevada? No discussion of policy views or philosophy at all.

                The gov’t banning Bundy from grazing because of a tortoise was dumb, however, legally he is in the wrong. That is not his land. To throw the racism on top of it when we are spending so much time denying racism is just icing on the cake for liberals in the upcoming elections. How many times can we shoot ourselves in the foot over trivial nonsense?

    • gellero

      who in the NYT asked a question that led to the comment????? Was it a leading question by a provacateur?

  • mr.Truth

    Leftists TRUELY BELIEVE that Black people are genetically inferior ..that is why they don’t ask or expect them to stop killing each other or marry the baby momma’s …because they TRUELY do not believe Black people are other than miscreant children with no capability of control.

    • Buck

      Moreover, leading the charge for abortion in this country is Planned Parenthood…wherein 52% of all aborted fetuses in this country are black babies. That is a hypocritical and racist stance in itself.

    • gellero

      why do think they prefer Mexicans for labor…………

  • catsarecool

    They’re trying to change the narrative, and also distract from the phony pics the NYT published about Ukraine/Russian situation.

    If they are successful to make this all about Bundy, God help the Ranchers.

  • Oh…………… so now YOU are chopping his words up!!!! Watch the whole interview!!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCJ59tls0vc SHAME ON YOU Right Scoop!!

  • gellero

    We all wonder that………but he should have phrased it this way:

    “I see the kids fatherless, the mothers without husbands, de-motivated by generous government welfare. Is this vicious cycle not another form of slavery to a warped economic system”

    • mel

      Remember how they savged Bill Cosby when he basically stated the same thing.

  • Yankeesamurai Mryankeesamurai

    IF YOU READ GEORGE ARMSTRONG CUSTERS WIFE’S BOOK THAT SHE WROTE 4 YEARS AFTER THE CIVIL WAR, YOU WILL HAVE YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF CLIVENS REMARKS,

    AFTER THE WAR THE PRESIDENT CHARGED CUSTER WITH TRAVELING THE SOUTHERN NATION AND REPORTING ON THE STATUS OF WHAT HE FOUND, ITS RECORDED IN THE BOOK BY HIS WIFE THAT THEY FOUND ” NEGRO’S EVERYWHERE” WERE WORTHLESS LAZY DO NOTHING PEOPLE WHO WOULD NOT RAISE A HAND TO HELP THEMSELVES, OR ANYONE ELSE..THEY REFUSED JOB OFFERS WITH PAY, THEY REFUSED DAY LABOR, THEY REFUSED TO EVEN FEND FOR THEMSELVES AND LIVED ON WHAT THEY COULD STEAL AND BEG, THE CUSTERS FOUND IT HEARTBREAKING THAT A NATIONS PEOPLE WENT TO WAR AGIANST THEMSELVES OVER THE TRUTH THEY DISCOVERED ON THEIR SOUTHERN TRIP….

    1. IM NOT A RACIST, THIS IS HISTORICALLY RECORDED FACT.

    2. THE GREATER MAJORITY OF PEOPLE IN PRISON TODAY IN THE USA ARE BLACK.. NO ONE PUT THEM THERE BUT THEMSELVES..

    3. IVE WORKED IN CORPORATE AMERICA FOR OVER 40 YEARS..AND THE WAY BLACKS ACT AT WORK IS APPALLING..THE FIRST THING THEY DO ON THEIR FIRST DAY AT WORK IS GET TOGETHER WITH OTHER BLACKS AND SHARE THE “HOW TO CHEAT THE SYSTEM AT WORK”” … SHARE WHOS “”COOL” AND WHO WILL WRITE YOUR WORTHLESS SLACKER BUTT UP… THEY STAY TO THEMSELVES…. DO AS LITTLE AS POSSIBLE… JUST SHOW UP AND COLLECT A PAYCHECK…

    IS THIS RACIST… NO…ITS UN AMERICAN… AT LEAST FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF MY GENERATION…

    SEEMS TO BE THE NORM SINCE THE CIVIL WAR…..

    CLIVEN MADE VALID AND VERIFIABLE FACTUAL STATEMENTS..

    WERE THEY NOT POLITICALLY CORRECT.. YOU BET YOUR ASS…

    DO WE GIVE A KRAP.

    .. NO… WE HONOR HIM FOR SPEAKING THE TRUTH OF WHAT HE WITNESSED AND UNDERSTOOD

    • Richard the Lion-Hearted

      Cite your historical fact, if it is actually true in Custer’s wife’s writings than all you have is an opinion of one person that is not even backed up by a second witness, which makes it worthless.

      • gellero

        it’s probably out there, as were many contemporary journals……….it would be a citable source though

        • Richard the Lion-Hearted

          It would be citable as opinion only.

    • AmericanDuckie

      Please don’t type whole comments in Upper case- it’s hard to read, annoying and against comment rules. Thanks.
      And way to paint with a broad brush a huge segment of our society.

  • Brick Tamland

    They are trying to slime Bundy now…….deflect from their fascist intentions. ……like Bengazi and the horrible economy. ….

  • Mike Carr

    We are all basically slaves to the fed. We have allowed a giant bureaucratic machine that without any prompting or urging and quite autonomously, creates and keeps most citizens hopeless. A machine not designed to, but by instead from its evolved nature to destroy all thought of a possible alternative to the present or future. Some grasp that hopelessness and embrace it because while deep down inside they hate it, they see no better alternative and fear change because it could get worse! Others refuse it yet by their simple refusal to operate in it, advance its goals and machinations by proving to the huddled masses that the machine is indeed needed. This machine requires the apparatus of prisons, police, government regulatory agencies and propaganda engines of tons of different varieties to appeal to every walk of life. Not typically out and out decrying the potential alternatives directly but instead creating an atmosphere of fear, conformity, hopelessness, jingoism and other out and out despair that makes people think that any change is just a fool’s errand. The machine is designed to take those that could be stronger if they were religious and drives them from religion, and conversely take those that could be stronger without religion, and drive them in to its waiting arms. It has gotten so bad that this “thing” that the baby boomers have created, compels those operating inside the system, that the maintaining of the “thing” is the most important thing ever. Where the “thing” be a government policy, agency, party, class structure, a financial way of thinking; as this monstrosity of a system is not a single entity but a series of systems to where even if a head were lopped off, another would rise from the stump to replace it like a hydra. The system has become the slave master.

    • ApplePie101

      This has been the case for several decades, under both democrat and republican administrations, but we didn’t notice until recently. The federal government has pulled off the mask now only because it recognizes a serious threat—impending economic collapse and insurrection. We’ve shaken them up–their actions are draconian because they’re trying to stamp us out, and that means we’re beginning to be effective.

  • johngardner

    Truly surprising to find Bundy so staunchly questioning what the government has been able to do for blacks people beyond substitute one form of “slavery” (a point of view shared by many black leaders, to judge by their statements) for another! Never suspected it would be Bundy who would point out that blacks have been screwed by a succession of governments!

  • Awesome social commentary, nothing like someone speaking their mind and stirring up the dust in a Country that will not, out of the fear of being called a racist, open the topic of life time welfare for blacks in the United States.

    He is clearly not advocating slavery but making a very valid comparison to the modern day Democrat voter plantation and the old Democrat farm plantation. There is not a lot of difference between the net results of the two.

  • dayplace

    So let us all be clear. A White Republican cannot pose a question or initiate a dialogue about whether or not African Americans are better off today than they were in 1860 as slaves? Is this a racist question because it’s being posed by a white Republican? Can we not have a discussion about how the welfare state has improved or not improved the African American population as a whole? I view his comment as an indictment of our ‘entitlement’ system, not a suggestion that we should return to slavery and I think the answer to Mr. Bundy’s question is some are better off and some are not.

    • NikHammer

      I can’t think of any situation that would be worse than being someone’s property, not even being considered a human being. That’s just me though.

      • Richard the Lion-Hearted

        You are property, everyone of us, by the government. Wake up out of your narrow focus.

        • NikHammer

          You may be. I most definitely am not.

          • Richard the Lion-Hearted

            Say it all you want, doesn’t change reality, all americans under this government are indeed slaves factually. This has nothing to do with what resides in your heart, in this case.

    • manny

      it is an insensitive question because of how horrible slavery was….we can have a discussion about the welfare of the african american community without bringing up slavery

  • RhettButler1

    Bundy might have been clumsy in making his statement but, the question is still there. Are black people really better off in their present lifestyle? I think they have been reinstated on the plantation. The owners are the same people who owned them as slaves. This time, instead of being exploited as physical laborers, they are being exploited as voting support for the Democrat machine. Before you slam me, look at the heart of what Bundy said. Their families have been torn apart, they are trapped in a lifestyle that they cannot get out of because they have been dumbed down, their children are ripped from their bodies before they are born and the slavery of drug addiction is imposed on them. The other addiction is the EBT and Medicaid trap. Once you are in it, it is very difficult to get out.

    • manny

      they are better off now, but they still arent well off and are treated like irresponsible children by the left. but to even ask if they are “better off” than when they were enslaved and not viewed as human beings or citizens is very insensitive

      • RhettButler1

      • Richard the Lion-Hearted

        Truth can hurt, be insensitive, even bruise egos. It’s still truth, get it yet?

        • thewarnextdoor

          Truth? Do you honestly believe that receiving food stamps is equivalent to being owned as property, forced into manual labor, whipped and beaten, killed at someone else’s whim, separated from your children, etc…?

          • Richard the Lion-Hearted

            I defended you in another comment before I realized what a leftist, statist you are. I redact that statement.
            You haven’t got a clue what we’re under, nor what takes place daily by the NWO that covers everthing you cited. It’s predominately behind closed doors but makes it no less appalling, quite a bit more insideous though. You can’t see though, it seems you are asleep, eyes wide-shut.

  • Mark Salinger

    Okay, liberal playbook 101: pick some foolish moron to attack heavily and conservatives will be EASILY manipulated to rally to their defense and look like a bunch of fools as well. WELL PLAYED Machiavellians, well played.

  • College Geek

    Truth Hurts.

    This man said the same thing that some black politicians have said, that black people seemed to have swapped out working on a Southern Plantation for working on a Government Plantation. It’s true, instead of picking cotton now they just “pick” votes for the Democrats who keep welfare going. It’s like an addiction.

    Then when Bundy says all this he’s suddenly a racist because he’s white.

    Oh btw, on my campus I hear black athletes, students, engineers, etc say that same word he used everyday. Apparently only black people can use that word I guess.

    Who’s the real racist? This guy telling the truth in a non-politically correct way, or people who think that only Black people have the privilege to speak as he did?

    • DINORightMarie

      The great Allen West has decried the “government plantation” often, among many other African American or black leaders. However, an older white male is not going to be able to say such things in this toxic, balkanized environment and be able to keep his credibility. His cause, and the injustice that the BLM is wreaking on this man will now be overshadowed by this statement.

      Because the media and the left will change the conversation to be that, and only that, 24/7/365.

  • catfood

    Sorry to disappoint all you libs , Just like with the illegal alien issue , the race card won’t play here , Love him or hate him , Bundy just said in non PC terms what every normal person in this country knows,

    • Arnold Ripkin

      Why not make it a campaign slogan then? NEGROS ARE WERE BETTER OFF AS SLAVES. If “everyone” knows this, it should make that candidate unbeatable.

      • catfood

        With all the black crime lately …. who knows ,

  • john4637

    Any conservative who abandons Bundy for his opinions is a coward, and if they are politicians, I for one will never support or vote for them.

    • speakez6

      Rand Paul has jumped the shark already.

      • john4637

        Let him go, if he can not be a man, and respect a man’s Right to his opinions, then he is not worthy to be a Representative of Americans.

        • Richard the Lion-Hearted

          AMEN!

    • DarkKnight2016

      No, any conservative who condones racist remarks should be exiled from the party. There is no room for that in our party, no matter how conservative you are.

      • john4637

        Did not say a conservative must condone his opinion, just declaring that his opinions are guaranteed safety by the Bill of Rights!

        • DarkKnight2016

          He can have his opinions, but it doesn’t mean we should give him the time of day or defend him. IN fact if I ever come face to face with a white supremacist, which the kkk now call themselves, I might go to jail for assault or murder.

          • john4637

            Could be, but as I recall the KKK consisted of Left Wing Democrats since the cessation of the Civil War!

      • speakez6

        He said nothing racist unless you’re the type who see’s it in everything including broccoli. Toure is that you?

        • thewarnextdoor

          You are hysterical.

      • Richard the Lion-Hearted

        More like dark mind, political correctness worshipping coward!

        • DarkKnight2016

          It is not about political correctness, it is about right and wrong. It would be wise for you to know the difference.

          • Richard the Lion-Hearted

            Dude, you are totally under political correctness, when what is right or wrong in your belief system is controlled, and dictated by government, when your belief is not the concensus of any other true Constitutionalist, when you wait to be told what is right or wrong by the laws of the land…you are the opposition, maybe the passive opposition, but a stumbling block nonetheless.

            • DarkKnight2016

              It has not been the government that has taught me right from wrong. It was my upbringing, my parents and my faith.

  • Dandee

    Just wondering if Detroit and Chicago are better since the dems took over? Nope

  • SavingtheRepublicdotcom

    in original clip the statement was made he is asking a question where he said “Ive’ often wondered…..”

  • Penelope210

    ‘What difference at this point does it make?’ He said something inarticulate, the libs have alinskied him and now everyone is clutching their pearls. It doesn’t matter if the man is a raging racist, which he is not, it still doesn’t give the government a right to go in with snipers, tasers and police dogs to kill his cattle, throw women down on the ground and destroy his water tanks over a grazing fee!!

  • mr.Truth

    Jesus does NOT approve of homosexuals and it’s driving dex crazy mad 🙂

  • RSG

    Total BS. Taken out of context
    Here’s his interview in its entirety
    http://www.inquisitr.com/1224556/cliven-bundy-says-the-negro-comments-taken-out-of-context-carol-bundy-interview/
    Right before the released remarks, Bundy was talking about how we should help the Mexicans and blacks.

  • BobVance

    Damn, there’s a lot of racists in these comments.

  • Noble Gunnz

    Cotton picker or food stamp picker? The correct answer is neither.

  • Clare

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    Sam for
    doing nothing. Opportunity has been replaced by despair.
    Embracing character, values, marriage and family has been ridiculed.
    Government dependence has been substituted for self-reliance. And
    mediocrity has eschewed excellence.

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    and standing up to the media elite, who for too long have treated
    black Americans as a monolithic bloc addicted to a single political
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  • KB Ramsey

    The New York Times are The True Racists—have you ever seen the history of THEIR HIRING PRACTICES??? The New York Times also has a history of loving murderous dictators (i.e. Their past articles about Stalin’s murderous policy on Ukraine). The New York Times also loves to verbally stomp on middle class Americans that believe that they shouldn’t have their taxes continually increased. Basically, the NYT is a phony rag. Wake up America !!!!

  • ManaMoffa

    Ut oh the NYT’s lied again

    Carol Bundy on Cliven’s remarks:

    “What he was saying, and perhaps not as eloquently as was relayed, that America is becoming a welfare state that makes us more reliant upon the government and eats away at the freedom of us all. He was attempting to point out what little progress has been made for black people who once lived in slavery. During that point in our history, black people were totally reliant upon someone else for their food, homes, etc. and not much has changed, sadly, in many cases for poor black families. Slavery was wrong, horrible, and we do not support that. Cliven was trying to illustrate how dire the situation was not only in the past, but currently, and how it will negatively impact the future, if Americans, of any color, continue to be dependent upon the government to survive.”

    Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/1224556/cliven-bundy-says-the-negro-comments-taken-out-of-context-carol-bundy-interview/#DPLg2H2gOQ8GfZTR.99

    • Ignatz

      [Ut oh the NYT’s lied again]

      They lied by QUOTING him?

      They lied because his wife says that what he actually said isn’t what he actually MEANT?

      Holy crap, you people are clowns.

      • aliswell

        Here’s more of what he said:

        “Now let me talk about the Spanish [Mexican] people. You know I understand that they come over here against our Constitution and cross our borders. But they’re here and they’re people. I’ve worked side-by-side a lot of them. Don’t tell me they don’t work. Don’t tell me they don’t have better family structures than most of us white people. When you see those Mexican families, they’re together, they picnic together, they’re spending their time together. And I’ll tell you, in my way of thinking, they’re awful nice people.”

        Yeah, what a racist.

        • Ignatz

          “He can’t be racist! He said something nice about Mexicans!”

          Holy crap.

          • aliswell

            rac-ist: prejudiced against other races: prejudiced against all people who belong to other races;

            racist person: somebody who hates others who are not of his or her own race;

            • Ignatz

              And? He stereotypes Race A one way; and stereotypes Race B a DIFFERENT way.

              So did Archie Bunker.

              • aliswell

                So races and cultures DON’T fit into stereotypes? Then how would one define a particular race or culture?

    • Arnold Ripkin

      He makes a good point about government dependency…if he’s talking about himself.

  • the_logician

    As usual, the mainstreet media spins the rancher’s rural colloquialisms as racism. That should not surprise or stun anyone who is aware of the agenda of the MSM. The reality is that a lot of people have drawn comparisons between slavery and dependency on the welfare state before; it’s not all that new or novel.

    • david r.

      Wow.

      • the_logician

        I know. “Colloquialisms” is quite an impressive word, isn’t it?

  • RM Shanks

    Valid questions Mr Bundy. Hear hear.

  • barracuda43

    The Democrat party which enslaved the blacks before just enslaved them again under a welfare program. The Democrat Party is the slave party!

    • DINORightMarie

      Until LBJ created his Great Society, and pushed the Democrats in the Congress in 1964 to pass the Civil Rights Act on his racist, hateful statement, “….I’ll have those (n-words) voting Democratic for the next 200 years” the progress of black people improved. Not enough – and that is why MLK Jr. was crucial – his non-violent protests, and his righteous cause and speeches rallied ALL Americans to see what is right and eliminate the injustices of segregation, “separate but equal”, Jim Crow, etc. The Democrat Party OWNS all the racism. It is the meme and effective Alinsky tool that has been used to revise reality and history that has painted the Republican Party as the “racist” party. Republicans – Radical Republicans – were the party of Lincoln, and were only established BECAUSE of abolition and freeing the black slaves!!! They pressed for the 13th and 14th Amendments to the Constitution!!! And yet, the left succeeds in their lying propaganda. Disgusting.

      (for a ref. to that quote from LBJ – read: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/the-relentless-conservative/the-democratic-partys-two_b_933995.html )

  • Oboy_must_go

    Want to see a racist? Look at Eric Holder.

  • mr.Truth

    The Truth of Bundy’s observation is that :

    Nearly 1/2 of ALL Black males will at one time or another in their lives enter the Prison system.

    92% of ALL Black females 15-22 …in Washington D.C. will have their children out of wedlock .

    84% of the victims of gun homicide in major metro-plexes will be Black.

    100 % of all those mass flash robberies you will see on you tube – will feature Black faces.

    Huge numbers of Blacks grow up fatherless … in a Trayvonesque world ….low pants … violent … bad attitude and hopeless and blaming Whitey for their lives.

    • Richard the Lion-Hearted

      Truth hurts, but still truth, still reality. Not contrived, false, utopian-fantasy driven drivel.

  • leel004

    The media is driving this point, which is a sensitive issue, from the point of the Federal land grab. Taking our eyes off that ball, is hat the NYT and DBM want….. Let us remember these are separate issues

  • tarajunky

    Let me point out the obvious. NONE of those now dependent on the government were better off under slavery, because NONE of them were slaves. Trying to clumsily conflate the two is foolish, and Cliven should be held accountable for doing so.

    • info_bomber

      Ha, yep with over half of black babies being aborted in major cities in the U.S.A., I guess I would have to capitulate and say you are correct now we are all chattle and at the mercy of our monetary policy masters.

    • barracuda43

      What is the difference? You have a slave master or a Government master as they do now. Your a sheep either way.

  • Pat Orsban

    Of course they were not better off being slaves of the Southern Democrats. Of course they are not much better being dependent on the Democrat Party, as a whole, today. They just have the freedom to choose a different master. Which is what a lot of succesful blacks do when they join the Repub Party.
    DIscard the chains from both parties and join the National Rational Party
    Nat Rats support ALL rights. Not just the ones we like.

  • Laurel

    So in other words he is pontificating.

    Still pretty ineloquent but I see where his thinking is leading at least.

    I don’t think he is racist but I do think he should organize his thoughts and double check his thinking before speaking.

  • Vitt

    His questions and statements are 100% valid. The MSM is having a field day spinning thid though. The unthinking masses are falling for it hard too. Just go read the article about this on the New York Post. It will piss you off

    • Arnold Ripkin

      Perhaps you should try being a slave for a couple of years. You might see that it’s not all glamour and picking cotton.

      • cruzcontrol

        My father picked cotton when he was a child, right along side with blacks and whites. There was no race distinction amongst country people when one was poor. (This was also confirmed by an African American woman about the same age as my father)

        He has never once been ashamed of being poor, working hard, picking cotton, or working along side of blacks or any other persons of color.

        He would have lived a life of shame had he been caught up in the welfare system.

        I don’t know what is in Bundy’s heart or mind, but the truth is that the welfare system is enslaving many people and is a soft racism in and of itself.

        No one is opposed to giving a person a leg up so he/she can stand on their own, but perpetual dependence is a form of slavery.

      • Vitt

        Never said it was lol. You do understand what he’s saying right? Was open slavery better than the form of slavery many experience today? If you need some perspective on this issue, check out a documentary called Runaway Slave. You will fully understand his statements and questions afterward.

    • Peg

      No one is spinning this. They are quoting him verbatim.

      • Vitt

        Yes they are. Not necessarily about these statements but within that same article they claim he has been illegally allowing his cattle to graze that public land. This is untrue to a high degree. They want the public to believe he is a criminal. If you research all of the claims they are making, such as this one, uou will find they are all 100% wrong. They know this. They dont care. The disinformation fits their agenda of defamation and they will use it. The truth is, the Federal Government is openly and criminally stealing land from Americans.

      • cruzcontrol

        So quoting verbatim-
        And these two quotes were from seasoned politicians, not a mere rancher – but where was the media hysteria or spin?

        “You cannot go to a 7-11 or a Dunkin Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent. I’m not joking!” – Joe Biden, Vice President

        “I was wowed by Obama’s oratorical gifts and believed
        the country was ready to embrace a black presidential candidate,
        especially one such as a Obama — a ‘light-skinned’ African American with
        ‘no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one.’” – Harry Reid

      • Vitt

        It is the mainstream media… it is a crazy day if they’re NOT spinning and propagandising everything. They do it all the time and they get caught quite a bit if you continue to follow the topics from all possible sources. http://www.infowars.com/unedited-video-shows-bundy-making-pro-black-pro-mexican-comments/

  • Professor Fate

    It’s the ‘Duck Dynasty’, Phil Robertson kerfuffle all over again. These honest men have no clue how the Leftist media loves to twist their words, ask them leading questions and denigrate them for speaking the truth and not being ‘politically correct’. Mr” Bundy is correct of course, but, heaven forfend the truth should be spoken and Liberal deceptions exposed.

    Of course these puke-gutted Republicans run from him like he has the plague instead of using this as a talking point about government dependence. They’re so scared of the Liberal media it makes me sick.

    • Arnold Ripkin

      I don’t think Robertson is demanding a handout from the government though.

    • Rob

      What do you expect? Politicians can’t spend the next six months defending comments by an old man who is wondering if blacks had it better under the old slavery vs being a slave to government today. IT WILL NOT HAPPEN.

      The leftists run around DIGGING for this so they can throw the race card back on the table.

      • Peg

        No one is twisting his words. No one is “digging” for this. He set up a press conference, invited all media, told the media this and has now gone on to tell anyone else who wants him to explain that he thinks “negroes” were better off as slaves. He has been given opportunities to back down and clarify and he just doubles down.
        You cannot blame this on the media. Listen to exactly what he says, in his own words.

        • Rob

          I’m not defending Bundy. He made his comment let him defend it.

          But don’t ever try to deny leftist scum don’t run around digging for any chance to drop the race card. I’ve seen that garbage 1000 times. Now you will run screaming that everyone who ever said a single word in support of Bundy is a racist.

          Is every Democrat who ever supported Bill Clinton a serial sexual predator like him? Well that’s the guilt by association game of feces throwing the left just loves to play.

  • Ignatz

    This clown thinks slavery kept family structures intact. As opposed to selling peoples’ children and spouses away from them.

    • barracuda43

      It actually did better then today. 73% of all black babies are born to out of wedlock and no fathers. Chicago is more dangerous then Iraq because of the welfare state.

      • TheLowDown

        Your ignorance of the historical context can only be seen as purposeful.

        • barracuda43

          Wow. I see black children growing up with futures of crime and drug infestation with no father and a future of a government check being doled out every month for a vote for the Liberals. Shameful!

        • barracuda43

          Don’t spout off about ignorance. The Democrat party was and is the party of Slavery. I have studied the real truth unlike you!

      • Ignatz

        I’d like to see Cliven Bundy turned into a slave so he can learn what it really is, and maybe he’d stop pretending to be persecuted, like a pathetic spoiled brat who’s been treated with kid gloves.

        • barracuda43

          Many people would like to see black children grow up with a father which at least they did in slavery. Nobody is saying slavery was good. It was better for keeping the family intact. Liberalism is killing this country and blacks.

          • Ignatz

            [Many people would like to see black children grow up with a father which at least they did in slavery.]

            No, they didn’t. Black peoples’ marriages were not legally acknowledged as being valid in the south, and the child could be taken and sold at moment’s notice and often was.

            Black mothers were in FEAR that their child would be good-looking, intelligent or talented, because it meant he would bring in a lot of money, and be SOLD. That which should have made a parent rejoice – a beautiful talented child – made them WEEP.

            The system of slavery tore black families to RIBBONS. The families didn’t even legally EXIST.

  • T S

    Black America is better off now than during slavery. Of that there can be no rational debate, and Bundy was a dottering fool to have even wondered about the situation. Now, with that settled, will the left entertain the question of whether the welfare state is an ideal situation for those trapped within it, including many black Americans, but also including an ever increasing chunk of white and hispanic Americans? Are they willing to even discuss the possibility that direct grants of benefits have failed to reduce poverty one iota, and that the direct grant of benefits actually makes poverty worse by increasing soul killing social pathologies? Or, are they just milking this old fool’s statement as a way of deflecting attention from how miserably the Obama administration handled the whole Bundy affair?

    • Ronald Reagan’s corpse.

      The problem is the cycle of poverty. It does not matter if you are black or white. Welfare just ensures you do not starve.

    • TheLowDown

      What you just wrote was a waste. Tell me how Obama was to handle this affair with a guy who wonders whether the President would be better off a slave. Mutual respect? No, I don’t think so.

      • T S

        As Janet Reno should have done at Waco, they could have waited a couple months until everything died down and then grab him when he was in town on some errand, detain him, and go get the cattle. They made a small kerfuffle into a military exercise.

  • Mark Salinger

    Regarding government dependence: since it is largely blacks themselves who must be persuaded does anyone seriously think THIS is the way to do it????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

  • Audrey

    I believe he was a bit clumsy in his statement. Please, let’s not lose the narrative of what this is all about. He needs to stop answering questions that do NOT pertain to his battle for the ranchers….

    • Ronald Reagan’s corpse.

      Bundy needs to pay his grazing fees.

      • Sally

        I think the federal government should start charging you for your use of their air. See, they just created a new agency called the Bureau of Air Management (BAM), and this agency has the authority vested in them by them to impose fines on you for your use of their air, which they just declared that they own. Everyone else has already been paying for their air, and you seem to be the last holdout. And also they are charging for air retroactively, since really you’ve been using their air this whole time, so you now owe them $1 million in air use fees. I think you should pay your air using fees.

        • Laurel

          Excellent analogy.

          Best I’ve seen.

      • Laurel

        He has.

  • speakez6
  • the great kazoo

    That was a crass statement.

    They certainty would NOT be better off under slavery.

    But, the current welfare system coupled with the substandard schools foisted upon the welfare demographic IS designed to hold that segment of society back.
    It is an injustice.
    Nobody from either side of the aisle is stepping forward with a workable solution, and there are those “champions” of that demographic who exploit the situation for their own benefit.

    The only obvious point to be made is that continuing on with the same “solutions” can only result in more of the same indignities.

    When you are starting out with nothing, the fastest and surest way towards personal dignity is thru work.
    That should be more heavily emphasized.

  • roosterCrow4

    I don’t know, part of me understands what he was saying but part of me does see it as racist. Bundy stands by what he said but says it has been spun out of context. Maybe I’m falling victim to this leftist psy op? I think he was right in a sense but did more damage than good with the way he said it. I was even accused of being a leftist government troll for stating my opinion on another news feed forum. I know there are real racist and I know their are Al Sharptons that use race as a weapon to discredit anyone that opposes them. I just think this Bundy situation is the linch pen for which way things go next. Ultimately, the bigger picture is the BML land grab, but now this is all about race. I just feel like Bundy has given the left the ammo to use against him even if he did not mean what he said as racist.

    • TheLowDown

      First, IT IS NOT A LAND GRAB! Godamnit get that straight! Second, maybe you should check in with the parts of you that think what he said was right.

      • roosterCrow4

        OK, you obviously are a far leftist like I was accused of being earlier. I am so goddamned sick of people like you that don’t have the common sense to understand things beyond what “your side” tells you to think. If you don’t think there is a huge problem with dependency not only in the black community where the tactic was perfected, but in all communities… and rapidly expanding under this out of control government, then you are a complete F00L!

        • TheLowDown

          “far leftist” “accused you of”… you’d be a great addition to Berlin 1939.

      • Sally

        First, YOU ARE WRONG! Gee whiz get that straight! Second, maybe you should check your mental well being since it is clearly off kilter.

      • Laurel

        Yes it was a land grab and an unjust law to boot.

        Get your facts straight and swearing doesn’t make them any more correct either.

    • Laurel

      His sentiment is correct…his delivery needs work. What in his statement to you is racist? The reason I ask is because both you and Bundy appear to suffer from too much culture formulating your understanding of history.

      • roosterCrow4

        When I first heard this on Beck (whom I loath) I could not believe it and and figured this was more of his twisting the truth for his 30 pieces of silver. Then I googled it because there was nothing on infowars or Drudge at the time. Granted all there was to read on it, was leftist sites. I recognize them for what they are but realize they mix truth with a lie to push the agenda. I read the transcript and unless you are just turning a blind eye to real racism, you have to acknowledge the racial overtones of picking cotton and better off slaves. I grew up in the 70s and had family that actively participated in the KKK before the civil rights era. I have pictures of a great uncle that marched in a rally in the 30s before the Klan lost all credibility when the grand wizard r-ped and murdered a teen age girl. I know what real racism is. To deny it is as bad as to run around like Holder, Sharpton and the other race pimps that call everyone that disagrees with them racist.

        Bundy is spot on about the black genocide of abortion, broken homes and dependency due to the manipulation of carpetbagging liberal Democrats. (The dependency is being spread to all segments of society now. More welfare takers than working providers was just in the news last week.) But he should know that the way he spoke was exactly what the left was looking for to legitimize their false stance. The tyranny he is resisting is too close to the razors edge of going the wrong way for him to give them one inch. It is bad enough that Federal infiltrators are trying to infiltrate the militia. He doesn’t need to make it easier for them to frame the narrative. Remember, it is the left that wants to drive us into a violent conflict of division and his speech was not well thought out.

        • Laurel

          Thank you for expanding your thoughts.

          What Clive is referring to his education via the culture and most namely movies such as “Roots” who mostly portrayed slaves in that manner. It is stereotype and incorrect at that. It’s not to say that slaves didn’t pick cotton, but we know they ALL slaves didn’t do so.

          That is why the left works so hard to maintain control of the culture. It distorts history via entertainment and allows for the manipulation of a person.

          You also suffer from it because it is not an incorrect portrayal either since slaves did pick cotton and that was one of the primary crops of the South as well as rice and tobacco.

          • roosterCrow4

            I’m listening to him right now and hearing his own words. He is saying he never said picking cotton. I feel like the left has got one over on me. They are master liars and sometimes it is easy to fall for it.

            • Laurel

              Don’t worry about it. They didn’t get one over on you.

  • Justanother Serf

    I totally understood what he was saying. I honestly believe he feels sorry for blacks and that they are no better off today than they were 150 years ago….because of the government. I didn’t hear one once of racism.

    • Laurel

      Because you don’t automatically think the worst of people or want to silence them either.

  • magi52

    Great comments, ALL Americans should be wondering and questioning what the federal government is doing.

    RunAwaySlavemovie.com

    • Sally

      it’s ok when liberals use racial terms, say racist things or use politically incorrect language, but THEY’LL BE DAMNED IF A NON-LIBERAL THINKS HE CAN GET AWAY WITH IT!!@#%$%@

  • WalterByrd123

    Very few people are compartmentalized, and if they are air tight, then they are sociopaths. So Bundy is making politically incorrect statements and the media is jumping on that to score points.
    This does not obscure the fact that BLM, is militarized and acting like Nazi’s….plain and simple. And patriots stood with Bundy when the Feds threatened his livelihood and liberty…so lets focus on that.
    If you want to focus on ‘negroes’, then you can do that for as long as you want to….I will focus on freedom…

    • Ignatz

      [This does not obscure the fact that BLM, is militarized and acting like Nazi’s….]

      “Nazis?” HE’S NOT EVEN IN JAIL. AFTER TWENTY YEARS.

      If they were tyrants, he’d be DEAD. If they even had a SPINE, he’d be in jail.

      He threatens to SHOOT COPS and nothing happens to him, and you think they’re NAZIS?

      You’re an IDIOT.

      • Sally

        just like a liberal to ignore the content of the post and focus on an incorrect use of punctuation. pedantic and petty.

        • Ignatz

          I said nothing about punctuation. Is English your first language?

          • Sally

            oh my apologies, I see that you are an excellent writer very familiar with English, per your post:

            “Nazis?” HE’S

      • planet8788

        No. But every other rancher in the area was forced to give up their land.

        • Ignatz

          According to the Nevada State Senator, more than 600 ranchers are paying their fees right now.

      • WalterByrd123

        My dear Ignatz…sorry about your name, but otherwise, most of your observations fall in line with tyrannical mumbling.
        “put him in jail’,….why?
        Are you comfortable with the BLM?
        Or what about the Bureau of Indian Affairs?
        or any of the other 26 Federal agencies spreading ilke poisonous mushrooms in the forest of your life?
        Ooops, do you HAVE a life?

        • Ignatz

          [“put him in jail’,….why?]

          Because he refused to pay what he owed. He went to court. He lost; the court found AGAINST him. And that’s IT. Oh, well. You had your day in court, you lost your case, now you have to pay. That’s the way it works.

          His response was to threaten to SHOOT anyone who tried to enforce the law.

          Why SHOULDN’T he be in jail?

          Suppose I owned a store, and didn’t think I was required to pay property taxes, so I refused to. Took it to court. Lost the case. STILL refused to pay. So the Sheriff said, “If you don’t pay, we’ll repossess. I’m going to padlock the store.”

          And I said to the Sheriff: “If you try, I will shoot you.”

          What do you think would happen to me.

          As far as I’m concerned, when he did that, he went from being a guy who didn’t pay what he owed and probably should to being a plain dangerous criminal.

          You don’t threaten to shoot cops for enforcing the law. And doing that doesn’t make you a patriot. It makes you a dangerous lunatic.

          • WalterByrd123

            Ok, if you put it that way, you win.

  • Josefa

    A black unborn baby is 5 times more likely to be aborted than a white unborn baby ( research from Allan Guttmacher Institute). The black race is targeted by the current eugenics pimps by placing the ” merchant of Death” abortion clinics in minority neighborhoods.
    There have been over 20 million black unborn children killed by the current “modern” eugenics culture. There should be 60 million blacks in the US but there are only 39 million.
    The most successful racists that have killed the most black people EVER are liberal, abortion loving trendies. ( plus they get paid with gov’t subsidies for killing all of them!)

  • We’re all slaves to the Fed Govt.

  • RSG

    The complete video. Before the released remarks, cliven said how we should be helping blacks and Mexicans. Not racist
    http://www.inquisitr.com/1224556/cliven-bundy-says-the-negro-comments-taken-out-of-context-carol-bundy-interview/

  • Rinosaretheproblem

    Virtually every race has been the subject of slavery at some point in history. Currently the leftist are trying to enslave ALL OF US under a single totalitarian world government. Wake up!

    • Let_My_People_Go

      Thank you for posting this!

  • Buck

    As a general contractor in Dallas, I’ve picked up and employed hundreds of day workers from the labor pool parking lot at Home Depot on various jobs. For day pay, the hispanics are worth every cent I pay them. They work hard and give an honest day’s labor for an honest day’s pay. Without a single exception, I have NEVER had a black man work out for me. EVERY time I’ve hired a black man, they’ve done far less work, taken more breaks, and demanded more (pay, gatorade, sandwiches, etc). I always buy the guys lunch and get a thanks from the hispanics. With the blacks, its always about how much i didn’t give them. This attitude makes it financially and resourcefully challenging for me to continue to employ them.

    I’m not a racist nor am I unfairly labeling an ethnicity. I’m simply relaying my personal experience.

    • phil

      “I’m simply relaying my personal experience.”

      its possible that this has been your experience so far, but i think it would be inaccurate to label the black community as a whole this way (and i know you agree with me),

      • Buck

        I didn’t label the entire black community. I simply said this is my experience. I’ve known many outstanding black men in social settings and as neighbors. But the ones I’ve hired to swing a hammer or run a screw gun or use a saw have just simply not been worth hiring, from a mathmatical perspective.

    • Don

      During my thirty years as a Gen. Contractor I have employed well over a hundred different people. Carpenters, laborers. I personally trained many of them myself. Mosty young guys so I was used to a high turnover and usually had a spot open. Being non union and like most others my pool of labor has always came from either word of mouth or people stopping by my jobsites looking for work.

      Over the span of all those years I have had maybe 4 or 5 black people stop and ask me for a job, despite a large black community within a mile or two of much of my work. You could count on many white guys and hispanics seeking work just about every month but it was rare to see blacks. And yes, I hired blacks just like any other race when I needed help they were just never around.

  • mr.Truth

    Black men need to stand up and agree with Bundy …because it is the truth that is obvious to all honest men ..NOT that all Blacks are miserable or lawless …But that Black people are being oppressed by leftists who know they have a willing ear for excuses and denial…and they are buying into the leftist bribery line that the White man is like some evil “god” who totally controls their lives in every aspect and deems that they must be relegated to poverty and violence and the only escape is to let the “White leftist protectors” be elected to punish the evil White gods.

  • Josefa

    A black unborn baby is 5 times more likely to be aborted than a white unborn baby ( research from Allan Guttmacher Institute). The black race is targeted by the current eugenics pimps by placing the ” merchant of Death” abortion clinics in minority neighborhoods.
    There have been over 20 million black unborn children killed by the current “modern” eugenics culture. There should be 60 million blacks in the US but there are only 39 million.
    The most successful racists that have killed the most black people EVER are liberal, abortion loving trendies. ( plus the killer abortionists get paid with gov’t subsidies for killing all of them!)

  • comeandtakeit

    OMG, he can’t comment about racial issues and federal entitlement programs for said racial minorities! That would make him… RACISSSSSTTTTTT!

  • Jim Rall

    What he is really saying is that the democrats have wronged black America something fierce.

  • comeandtakeit

    OK, now Bundy can’t speak his mind.

  • K.Bech

    When you start answering questions designed to change the subject, and which are meant to show that you are totally ignorant as to the agenda of the left, you end up getting both of those things accomplished. Now we are talking crucifixion, by the left, and backtracking by the right. Never answer a question from the left unless it is about what you do know something about, and even then they will try to destroy you for your thoughts.

  • Let_My_People_Go

    Black men should be asking these questions! Dam n! Wake up!

  • phil

    i would have chosen different words since its probably inaccurate what he says, (i do think being enslaved to the government is “still” better than being chained by a master)

    however he is right on with the point he was trying to convey

  • RobinGOOD63

    Sounds like trading one form of slavery for another. A slave is someone who has surrendered not only their body, but their mind.

    • Mike Carr

      I’ve read many a document and memoir of slaves, many if not most did never surrendered their minds. One most certainly never had to be complicit in ones own slavery to be a slave. It is very easy and romantic to believe you would fight back with every once of strength, even in the face of certain death. However, history and reality tell us that most will simply be caught up and washed down stream in the face of a determined foe that out numbers and out guns us.

  • Laurel

    I see this thread devolved rather quickly.

    • TheLowDown

      As you contribute absolutely nothing to the discussion.

      • Laurel

        So says the filthy illiterate mouth.

        I love giving people the rope to hang themselves with.

      • Your sparkling, erudite, and wittily charming contributions have come to an end.

        Good news: in part of that sentence, I lied.

  • yea he is exactly right. the civil rights movement Johnson said was to give them a little, but if you’ve see Chicago & NY, you can understand how it may seem worse now as youth kill each other over nothing everyday & get away with it bcz of govt policies.

  • Ididitright

    Agree his comments on slavery are ignorant of the effects of slavery, but the left’s hero’s – Jesse and Al routinely stir up hatred over race. So the left is having a field day but they are being hypocritical in doing so. Look at the political jabs that occur with the MSM on a daily basis, and Bundy is being touted as a racist for their political gain. Politics is all about hypocrisy.

    • ManaMoffa

      He’s not saying that slavery was better, he’s saying blacks have it really bad now
      Hes saying slavery is wrong and that the conditions of it still exist at the governments hands

    • barracuda43

      Your wrong. He never said Slavery was good. He said the conditions and keeping their families together were better.

  • BAW

    Well he’s really stepped in it now. Even supporters will abandon him for this. We are simply not allowed to have any sort of honest discussion. People won’t just say, “No, slavery was worse.” Because blacks didn’t have a choice. Today blacks can decide to be free and not be enslaved by the government….. and so on.

    No, we won’t have that discussion. Bundy will just be condemned. But that’s nothing new for him. He is a very brave man. Right about some things, wrong about some things but braver than most, imho.

    • DarkKnight2016

      No, it doesn’t matter of his cause or how supposedly conservative he is. His comments are out of line and the people have the right to not give him the time of day.

      • mrd92

        The problem, dark, is that the Left use race as a way to bludgeon ANYONE who thinks differently than they do. Whether or not Bundy was within his rights to stand down heavily armed BLM thugs is a discussion worth having. But just because he said something that is considered “raaaaaaaacist” doesn’t mean we should stop having that discussion. It’s very easy to throw the baby out with the bathwater. I guess I just misunderstood the 1st Amendment–I was under the impression that we had freedom of speech–even freedom of speech to say something stupid. But by saying that he is now anathema b/c he’s been branded a raaaaaacist is just another form of gov’t tyranny…

      • BAW

        I’m sorry but you seem to be so upset by something you aren’t making a lot of sense.

        Did I say anything about “his cause” or his conservatism? Did I say he was right? Or that people who disagreed with him were wrong? No, I did not. I said, there will not be a discussion. It’s not allowed. And your “not give him the time of day” attitude is, imo, proof I was right.

      • Indeed. But it’s all in the “how.” People like Beck and Rand Paul sound like the lunatic left now. So we should also ignore them, while we’re at it.

        But the problem isn’t going away because Bundy isn’t a proper statesman.

        Expecting him to be one is a fool’s game. Pretending he should have been one already shows contempt for hard-working people who never learned “sophistication.”

        • Porlock1

          So its everyone else’s fault for thinking that he should be more eloquent in his statements? In fact, it shows how contemptuous they are because he’s not educated. And Rand Paul & Glenn Beck sound like the “lunatic left?” You sound crazy and delusional.

        • DarkKnight2016

          Sorry K-Bob, it’s just with my background I am a lot more sensitive on race issues and tend to let my emotions get the best of me. I still can’t find it in myself to support Bundy but I am going to stop commenting on this thread before I say something that gets me blocked.

          • I don’t think it’s a matter of “supporting” the guy. He’s raised a focus on an issue that’s much, much bigger than just him. This is an attempt to make the entire issue go away just because he’s not a very good messenger.

            Plus, the hypocrisy of the left over these kinds of comments eventually has to be raised, even by those of us who tired of that long ago.

            But yeah, it’s probably best to leave this thread. It looks like the nutjob invasion has settled in.

    • mrd92

      Bundy has committed the two biggest crimes thinkable in Amerika–he stood up to the tyrannical lawless government and said something uncomfortable about blacks. He has already been tried and convicted… and I’m sure some bleeding heart “prog” will be happy to be his executioner…or some gutless republican’t

  • ManaMoffa

    Why is Peter Schiff the back drop to this audio?

  • Ballard Kurt

    FOR GOD SAKE ! We the people cannot let the FEDS/Media turn/twist this into a race war, WE CAN NOT !! This bullshit, it’s 100% lies.. I know Cliven Bundy personally, CLIVEN BUNDY IS NOT RACIST, PERIOD.. He would give ANYONE the shirt off his back… PLEASE DON”T LET THEM BASTARDS DO THIS !! We the people made some headway, all be it very small, it was for the first time in a long time, headway in the fight to fix OUR country.. Again, lets not let them turn it into shit, WE CAN’T !!

  • truthistreason

    I don’t completely agree with his premise but the evidence and statistics do beg the question of what is going on with the black community. There is a sickeningly large amount horrible things happening to the black community like the amount of Africans Americans in prisons and the poverty level. We need to truly be honest with ourselves and ask the rights questions and have answers that are free of political correctness. It does appear that they left the plantation for a free roam cattle prison where the rules are in place to keep them where they are.

  • Thomas McCarr

    Typical of the eco cave knuckle draggers who pull out Orweelian Double Speak to wean weak minds away from the real issue. No one cares what this Bundy feels about the Mets, American Idol, Racial relations, or Colbert taking over for Letterman. What we do care about is his stand against the archiac practice of having a “Kings Forest” and the Kings Land, and anyone caught using it is subject to the Kings justice. We faught a war about this a couple of hundred years ago.

    • Ronald Reagan’s corpse.

      We live in a republic, not a monarchy. Bundy has had his day in court. And the War of Independence is settled. You or Bundy do not like it, take it up with the Supreme Court of the USA. Do not like the Supreme Court, leave the country. You cannot preserve the constitution by violating it.

      • “Settled?” You mean, the totalitarians all went away?

        barack violates the Constitution every day. Go yell at him.

      • Thomas McCarr

        Nothing in the Constitution allows the nation to own 80 percent of the land, nor should it rightfully be permitted. You can hate Bundy all that you want, but it was his ancestors who were given a 100 acres and a mule if they would settle the wilderness. Now that they’ve served their purpose, screw em. How about this, screw that Turtle, didn’t think that cows ate turtle soup any way. As far as you, please tell me that with your minimal IQ that you won’t be voting anymore. We can’t atake anymore of your backward looking “Progressive” ideas and policies.

  • speakez6

  • DarkKnight2016

    I knew I was right in not supporting Bundy. Now I don’t even slightly care if the feds take his land.

    • chiliboots

      And what does his statement have to do with his rights? Is it your contention that free speech is now also defunct?

      • Ronald Reagan’s corpse.

        Bundy has had his day in court and can speak to whatever is on his mind. Bundy’s rights are just fine.

    • ra44mr2

      So if we arent politically correct we should have our possessions and rights taken away? Got it.

    • chiliboots

      Everyone is gonna’ be real upset that you have withdrawn your non-existent support.

    • TomNJ

      You are missing the point. Which is just what the liberals want!

  • Jerry S

    I understand why Bundy’s statement, especially the way it was phrased, can be construed as racist. But Wait, let’s address the realities, shall we?
    1. A large percentage of Black Americans are now dependent on the government for food. Is that not true?
    2. Is unemployment not a huge issue amongst black people?
    3. And what’s with all the black-on-black shootings in Chicago and in ghettos around the country?
    4. What exactly is the incarceration rate for the average black male?

    Isn’t it time these questions were asked?

    5. What happens when a black person wanders off the Leftist plantation and expresses conservative ideas? Is he not immediately decried as an
    “Oreo,” “Uncle tom” etc.?
    Is government dependence and thought/speech restriction not a form of slavery?
    Bottom line: Are Black Americans truly “free” nowadays?

    Isn’t it high time we address these questions? Is Eric Holder at least partially correct? Are we really cowards, afraid of discussing race issues?

    • TomNJ

      Until “Conservative Black America” says enough and goes out and makes a determined effort to change the culture, things will not change! No white person will ever be able to do it. It will take a group of influential black conservatives to do it.

  • Mark Salinger

    I have felt from the beginning that a master political stroke was at play here. Get conservatives riled up in support of someone clearly in the wrong so that liberals and the media could harp about it through the elections. Can we please not be so easy to manipulate???

    • $18457773

      Just because he’s a racist it doesn’t give the Fed the right to break every other law in the books.

      • Mark Salinger

        Yes, but that’s also part of the problem. What laws have they broken?

  • jamesben

    Lyndon Baines Johnson knew EXACTLY what he was doing when he signed his disastrous “Great Society” re-enslavement act into law – as he stated himself, quote:
    “I have those n*ggers voting Democrat for the next 200 years.”
    And it worked, “in spades.”

  • chiliboots

    Malcolm told them the truth, and they killed him.

  • I’m not better off for having sat through a non-story for the last two weeks of an old, broke man that can’t pay his fees.

    • barracuda43

      Can you point out in the constitution where the Federal government has the right to obtain land? Not there. The federal government has no right to charge grazing fees on property they have no right to own.

      • Tell the old man to pay up or move on. I’d love to not pay taxes. I think taxes are unconstitutional…Guess what? I STILL PAY MY TAXES.

        • Kingsman

          In other words no….

        • William Bush

          He did try to pay up. Because he refused a new contract with the BLM that would have made his business go out of business, they refused to accept those fees.
          He then tried to pay them to the county, and is STILL willing to pay them. Get your facts straight.
          Besides, it’s not Federal Land he’s grazing on, it’s State land.

  • karl

    Stalinism 101:
    Dehumanize the target ..make the masses hate him…then destroy him.

    • Nobody is “making” anyone hate the old man. He let the fame get to his head. popped those uneducated gums and looked like a racist ass….It’s pretty open shut here that he did this to himself.

  • John D. Wright

    Hahahahahahaha! This is your hero?

    • Are you reading a comic book?

  • Guest

    Conservatives are f*cking pathetic.

    • Quid Pro Quo

      Is it true that you still live at home because you enjoy listening to your parents go at it?

    • barracuda43

      Liberalism is Mental Disorder!

    • Quid Pro Quo

      And how many blacks live in your neighborhood? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA We already know the answer to that one- NONE.

    • Not as pathetic as someone cowardly hiding under an anonymized ID with one comment to its history.

      I mean you couldn’t be more pathetic if you were rescued from a bag of wet kittens.

  • STOP LISTENING TO THE LIBERAL MEDIA and Listen to Bundy HIMSELF!!! ~~~> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCJ59tls0vc

  • STQ

    The man is not running for Public Office! Not yet, anyway! And is he right or not? Was there Black on Black Crime like there is now? Was Chiraq going on back then? Neither are good.

    • thewarnextdoor

      No, he was not right.

      • William Bush

        So being a slave to the government with no familial values, and mass murder of their children is better?

  • speakez6

    BLM and the FED’s overstepped their authority. That’s the issue that won’t go away.

    • sevines

      Yes, they’re supposed to use local law enforcement, but they didn’t. Not that I would have agreed with them if they had….

    • $18457773

      It went away with this new racist claim.

  • TomNJ

    This will now be the focus! “Racist white rancher refuses to obey the law”!! It will no longer be about armed federal agents laying siege to a American citizens home simply for not paying a “fee” to the government. meanwhile these same federal agents allow millions of illegal immigrants to come and go as they please!

  • Gravel Grinder

    I see nothing racist about what he said. His observations are about what he sees where he lives. He never said he hated them because they are black, in fact, his statement was more of a lamentation.

  • Quid Pro Quo

    The difference between conservatives and liberals is that conservatives know that slavery is wrong. Liberals want everyone to be a slave to the government.

  • $18457773

    It’s too bad we never get this reaction whenever Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and Eric Holder make their racist statements on a weekly basis.

    • Dom Selgrade

      because they are racist against whites and people ignorantly believe you can’t be racist unless you are white.

  • JonathanDunbar

    They are trying to LYNCH Bundy in the mess media!

    I am black, and I agree 100% with Mr. Bundy said!

    The modern day black, or n e g r o is in fact a slave to socialism and all the trappings there of!

    Blacks today are in positions of USELESSNESS unless its election time and the left needs robotic voters; my people are embarrassing most of the time!

    We don’t THINK for ourselves, we don’t DO for ourselves! Its just damn embarrassing 9 times out of 10.

    You almost never see a black self-made millionaire unless they shoot free throws/slam dunks, run for touch downs, or twerk/grab crotch on stage. As a self employed n e g r o , making over 6 figures with a computer consulting business, 4 college degrees ( 2 in physics and astrophysics from U.C. Berkeley class of 1992) and an I.Q. measured at 163 (genius starts at 137) and I am shocked and bewildered as to how I came to be … I feel so out of place compared to just about every fellow black I come across …

    If you think I am just making up my race, please google my real name, Jonathan Dunbar, and under images I am in the 1st and 9th row on the right hand side holding a Battlestar Galactica flying model rocket.

    Thank you for reading.

    • Let_My_People_Go

      A great smile that comes from a good heart! Congratulations on your successes! God bless.

    • Texas_TEA_Time

      Thank you, Jonathan Dunbar. You are in good company with other great patriots: Frederick Douglass, Harriet Tubman, Clarence Thomas, and Condoleeza Rice, just to mention a few.

    • Justanother Serf

      You rock!!

    • William Bush

      You are a Great American sir. Physicists rock anyways. 😉

    • Klaus

      But do you use free software?

    • Gene White

      Good job, Jonathan. Keep setting the example. Maybe it will spread. Dr. Ben Carson comes to mind.

    • katenga

      It is amazing how 99% of the commenters here support Bundy’s statements. You can interpret his statement and defend his views all you want. But what he said is that blacks were better under slavery than today when accepting government subsidies. That is a pretty straightforward example of racism.

      • JonathanDunbar

        Bundy never said blacks were better under slavery. He asked the question as [CONTRAST]. He isn’t a great liar like Bill and Hillary Clinton, Obama or Nixon (yes, notice how I kept it real with that addition of Nixon to that list…).

        He is a rancher. A white man who knows little more than making a living off the land. He isn’t adroit with facebook or instagram. He was trying to point out that under slavery, blacks struggled, they had a purpose to survive. Uncle Tom’s cabin clearly points this out as well (Uncle Tom’s cabin was a book about black slaves, getting over and by their white slave masters; not the ignorant black use of term today).

        Look at the modern black today, my people … complete and almost useless people. Waiting in line for the white man’s hand outs. When EBT goes down, look at the mobs that form outside the EBT offices .. and we are from Queens and Kings of Africa? No wonder we were enslaved in the first place!

        I regularly call Obama, the first N-Word and I am black. So does that make the same as the White KKK grand wizards of America? No I just disrespect A man, not the entire black race of men of which I am one!

        So stop trying to find monsters where they don’t exist. The United States Federal Government is out of control! It is no longer a government of the people by the people; it is a government of the government by the government, i.e. an oligarchy!

        I would personally see it as an honor, to fight, kill, and die against the federal government in the re-establishment of a free and open constitutional nation for all people, black, white, Jew, Gentile, gay, straight. Now does this make me a racist? Please answer publicly Katenga, does this make me a racist?!?

      • JonathanDunbar

        Bundy never said blacks were better under slavery. He asked the question as [CONTRAST]. He isn’t a great liar like Bill and Hillary Clinton, Obama or Nixon (yes, notice how I kept it real with that addition of Nixon to that list…).

        He is a rancher. A white man who knows little more than making a living off the land. He isn’t adroit with facebook or instagram. He was trying to point out that under slavery, blacks struggled, they had a purpose to survive. Uncle Tom’s cabin clearly points this out as well (Uncle Tom’s cabin was a book about black slaves, getting over and by their white slave masters; not the ignorant black use of term today).

        Look at the modern black today, my people … complete and almost useless people. Waiting in line for the white man’s hand outs. When EBT goes down, look at the mobs that form outside the EBT offices .. and we are from Queens and Kings of Africa? No wonder we were enslaved in the first place!

        I regularly call Obama, the first N-Word and I am black. So does that make the same as the White KKK grand wizards of America? No I just disrespect A man, not the entire black race of men of which I am one!

        So stop trying to find monsters where they don’t exist. The United States Federal Government is out of control! It is no longer a government of the people by the people; it is a government of the government by the government, i.e. an oligarchy!

        I would personally see it as an honor, to fight, kill, and die against the federal government in the re-establishment of a free and open constitutional nation for all people, black, white, Jew, Gentile, gay, straight. Now does this make me a racist? Please answer publicly Katenga, does this make me a racist?!?

  • justonce

    He’s saying exactly what Bill Cosby said. Stop killing your babies. Raise them. Stay together as a family. Stop killing each other. Get an education. Get a job. Provide for yourself. Do this and you will be happier.

    • Porlock1

      Bill Cosby never said they’d be better off as slaves with something to do…

      • Gravel Grinder

        Neither did Mr Bundy.

      • justonce

        neither did Bundy. Listen again. He said we wonders.

        • Porlock1

          Tell yourself what you want. Just like Fox News is “just asking…”

          • Do facts bother you?

            • Porlock1

              Not when they are videotaped.

              • So why lie about what the man said, if you recognize there’s a video? Seem you’d just stop, or at least pretend the video didn’t exist.

                • Porlock1

                  Give me a break. You want people to be civil and discuss things with you rationally, you might want to meet them halfway. But I get it. He didn’t say he believes these things, he just asked a bunch of questions that he didn’t supply answers to.

                • You don’t ever get a break for lying.

                  Don’t even pretend that has a place in rational discourse.

                • Porlock1

                  K Bob, go back to your group of yes men. I think they’ve got an answer for you. But I do think its funny that you think you’re presiding over a “rational discourse.”

                • So you prefer lies, then. Fine.

                  And now participation in a comment thread is “presiding?”

                  Strange way of looking at things.

                • Porlock1

                  Why does your name have “moderator” next to it?

                  And tell me exactly what the “lie” is? That he was just wondering these things? Seriously, believe what you want, the rest of the country will do the same and Bundy will become (already is) a joke. Enjoy.

                • You wrote “…Bill Cosby never said they’d be better off as slaves with something to do…”

                  As a reply to another person pointing out Bundy said what Bill Cosby said.

                  That’s a direct implication that Bundy said the same thing. It’s a flat out lie.

                  And Moderator means what it always means. Read the Comment Policy and figure it out or you’ll be done here.

                • Porlock1

                  I am done here. You should probably get a real job.

                • Delivering your food stamps?

                • Porlock1

                  Yeah I’ll be by in an hour. If you’re not there I’ll just leave them in the mailbox as usual.

                • You Mom says you can’t have the car for an hour.

                • Porlock1

                  And you’re the moderator….

                • No, she didn’t say anything about me being a moderator.

                • Porlock1

                  That actually doesn’t really make sense (I understand its a joke). Anyway, have fun with your little projects and juvenile attempted insults. Keep up the good work of making sure that Republican’s lose elections.

                • Sorry, with your “real job” comment I thought you wanted to play juvenile insults.

                  Maybe you shouldn’t start a game you don’t like to play.

                • Porlock1

                  Actually this all started when you asked “Do Facts bother you?” I think that’s when the juvenile nonsense started. But by all means, Mr. Grown Up, keep it up. I was being serious about the “Real job” comment, but I can understand how that sounded like a joke to you.

                • Oh, so you weren’t being juvenile, you were just being an a-hole. I’m sorry I failed to see the difference.

                  Get off our blog.

            • Porlock1

              You’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

        • Porlock1

          And Clinton never admitted to the Lewinsky affair.

    • JonathanDunbar

      Since 1970, over 10,000,000 black babies have been willfully aborted by black women. With those figures, black women MATCH what the German NAZI’s did in the 1930s and 40s. Statistically a black fetus/child has a better chance of survival in the hands of a NAZI, than they do in the womb or care of a black female! Now twerk on that nugget of thought!

      • Dom Selgrade

        You are wrong based on the timeframe to spread the numbers over (Nazi’s were worse). But I do agree that both are tragedies. The current aborting can be remedied and should be.

      • MUSLIMCHILDMOLESTER69

        Obviously…beastly people.

    • Gravel Grinder

      It wasn’t well received by the black community. He was berated and called all sorts of nasty names because of it too.

  • Kai Alexis Price

    No need to “wonder” whether Cliven Bundy” is a racist.

  • Christopher Cook

    In 1794, when a group of 500 guys that also did not recognize the
    federal government and did not want to pay their taxes raised their guns
    on the tax collector, George Washington raised a 13,000 strong force
    and marched on them, personally leading the column. Obama should do
    the same (well, not really the same. He can phone it in from the golf course because he wouldn’t look good on a horse). The point is that these anti-federalist, neo-Confederate, halfassed anarchists need to be taught the same lesson their great-granddaddies last learned 150 years ago.

    • William Bush

      He didn’t refuse to pay his grazing fees. BLM refused to accept them because he refused a new contract with them that would have resulted in his livelyhood going under. He’s not the only rancher in Nevada that the BLM has tried to destroy, he’s just one of the few who wouldn’t sign a contract that was bad for him. And it’s State land, not Federal.

    • fantum

      I would pay to see Obama lead a march against American patriots.

      • You’ve been paying for it.

    • day_in_the_sun

      That was the Whisky Rebellion. The same thing happened in the Shay’s rebellion.

      We have put up with enough nonsense from these coward. If they want to die for their cause, lets help them do it.

      • You can join your other death-wishing friend in the skin-color-obsessed, totalitarian wastebin.

    • MUSLIMCHILDMOLESTER69

      Sad thing is, you wouldn’t dare be a part of it…because you’re weak, and terrified of us.

    • I know you’re just in from Nutbagistan, and probably jetlagged and all, but I think that’s enough of the death-wishing from you.

  • Conservative_Utopia

    Slavery v. nanny + police state. Perfectly legit question he’s posing.

    • thewarnextdoor

      No, its not.

      • Leonard_Wood

        Yes it is..

        • thewarnextdoor

          Only for idiots who have no common sense.

          • Leonard_Wood

            speaking of idiots.. Hi there.

      • jamesben

        Yes, it is.

        • thewarnextdoor

          Tell you what. Please ask your presidential candidate to run on the platform that welfare services are just as bad as slavery. Please. I beg you.

          • jamesben

            Yes, because explaining to the majority PAYING THE TAB that it’s “good” to fund this MASSIVE WELFARE STATE through redistribution of white America’s wealth.
            I like the our odds, fool.

          • chuck

            you dont get it.-
            they have been kept dependent on the govt by the policies of those politicians claiming to want to help them. i think the dems have lofty and admirable ideas of a just society, they just dont realize that the way they hope to accomplish that is self-defeating and only holds the minority impotent. when the minority sees that they are the only ones who are really going to help themselves, they will realize the promises of the dems have only been for votes.

      • MUSLIMCHILDMOLESTER69

        Yes, it is.

        • Conservative_Utopia

          I’m confused. Are you a child molester who is a Muslim or a molester of Muslim children? Either way, with so many handles to choose from, that’s pretty sicko.

          • MUSLIMCHILDMOLESTER69

            Aren’t all muslims, child molesters? Their messiah was. I’ll burn a quran this weekend in his remembrance.

      • Conservative_Utopia

        It’s legit under the 1st amendment, just not under the PC-Marxist-Alinsky handbook. We should talk about slavery more often. Our Republic should get clear about our victory over the British empire who established slavery in the colonies, our sacrifices in the Civil War to eradicate it, and the lies and deceit by the democrat party propagate racism and inequality ever since.

  • jamesben

    The last thing anyone can ever do concerning the current condition of black America is TELL THE TRUTH.
    That might upset the bureaucratic gravy train – the Democrat/KKK Party employment agency. Wonder why the IRS, DHS, the BLM HARRASSES conservative America?
    Democrats OWN the Federal apparatus.

  • day_in_the_sun

    Crazing, which destroys recreational values on the public lands produces 3% of our nation’s beef. Bundy, you have lied. You family have not grazed for since 1870’s. You are a parasite who lives off the dole.

  • unkymikey

    apparently, the libs are ok with anyone being owned by the state vs being owned by another … either is despicable … just wish the left could see what chaos its policies have wrecked on the poor in this country … but ideology trumps results for the brain-dead

    • Laurel

      BOOM!

      You got that right!

  • barracuda43

    A great day in America would be the day blacks as a majority took the leg chains off and said to the Democrat party no more Slavery for me. I am my own person and the Hell with You!

    • Do not disagree, though I’d argue the same for Conservatives and their dated Christian base.

      • barracuda43

        Dated Christian base? Not following that at all.

        • Their values are dated and it drives a lot of independents away from the party with the anti-woman’s right to choose and anti-gay marriage messages. It’s really not all that hard to comprehend – drop the social issues and fight the fiscal ones. I don’t mean to be a jerk but VA has two senators and a governor that are all democrats thanks to Republicans pushing dated social issues. I’m tired of losing elections and paying more in taxes because Republicans are fighting issues that are irrelevant.

          • barracuda43

            Disagree. A real conservative can win every state Bush won. The Christian conservative base is strong. Republicans have never lost on social issues. You sound like a Libertarian which I agree with many economic issues on. There is a reason why Libertarians never win. Social issues hold you back every time. It is a fact. Even California Liberal as it is voted against gay marriage.

            • To be honest most Republicans try to avoid having the discussion on the topics, I admit, but the dems are smart enough to bring it up and force them to take a stand. I can’t remember who McAuliffe beat for VA governor but he surged the last few days after – guess what – abortion and women’s rights got brought up.

              • barracuda43

                Abortion is a winning issue for Republicans. It is moving strongly in the favor of life. Tell Rand Paul to run on social issues are not important and he will be demolished in all the red country between the coast.

                • A year old but I’m sure the support hasn’t waned:

                  As the 40th anniversary of the Roe v. Wade Supreme Court decision takes place on Tuesday, a majority of Americans – for the first time – believe abortion should be legal in all or most cases, according to a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll.

                  What’s more, seven in 10 respondents oppose Roe v. Wade being overturned, which is the highest percentage on this question since 1989.

                  “These are profound changes,” says Republican pollster Bill McInturff, who conducted this survey with Democratic pollster Peter D. Hart and his colleagues.

                • barracuda43

                  Gallup poll out today.
                  52% of Americans now say Abortion should be legal only under certain circumstances. 26% only now believe abortion should be legal under any circumstance.
                  Pro life now beats pro choice 48% to 45%. Pro life is winning the fight.
                  Even the liberal justice Ginsberg says now that Roe vs Wade was a mistake. She states they should have left it up to the states.
                  Leave it up to the states is fine with me. Gay marriage will never be strongly favored if left up to the states.

                • Only issue I have with leave it to the states is the crazies will screw it up. IE South Carolina will make it “murder” and you could be charged for having one. North Carolina may just ban then but if you weasel around it by going to Virginia you won’t be charged with a crime. Florida will welcome one and all to the day before the child is to be born…..Again, I fully support leave it to the states but having at least a universal set of guidelines to go by may help keep someone, somewhere from screwing it up. IE, it has to be legal; however, up to the state as to what their ‘cut off’ would be where it would no longer be allowed.

                  Also, I hope you saw above – and I stand by this – but I could never be a party to an abortion. Couldn’t. If in the situation I’d use whatever means necessary to have the mother sign everything over to me. I’ll pay every bill and she’d never have to deal with the child….But I can’t force that view on someone else. So am I pro-life? Yes. But am I also pro-choice? Unfortunately, for the reasons outlined above….Yeah.

                • barracuda43

                  You can move to another state that believes in murdering of children. Freedom!

                • One shouldn’t be “required” to leave their employ, etc, simply for a medical procedure.

                  Same way if the state you lived in tomorrow banned religious convening I’d be the first in line to defend your right to convene over being told to “move to another state that believes in it”.

              • “To be honest most Republicans try to avoid having the discussion on the topics”

                Right. The most heavily debated topics in the history of the internet, and you come up with that claim? Do you actually know any conservatives?

                • The intelligent ones avoid it, yes, because it’s a loser of a battle. They have to kowtow to the base or risk jeopardizing their support. In the process, they alienate independents….They’re just hoping more of their base and less of the independents show up come election day.

                • “The intelligent ones avoid it…”

                  No, the stupid ones avoid it. The less-gifted ones handle it poorly, and the intelligent ones learn how to handle the media and not alienate the base at the same time.

          • Gravel Grinder

            Their values are just fine. There is no need to capitulate to the devolution of society to remain relevant.

            • Keep crying after lost elections then, bubba. If you come out and say, “Look, we’ve dropped the abortion fight, the gay marriage….We’re just going in there to limit government as much as possible and keep as much money in your pockets as possible…”….Who votes against that?

              • Gravel Grinder

                I am not a bubba, more of a bubbette. I don’t cry after elections and I don’t think killing babies is empowerment for women. It makes them murderers. Limited government empowers both men and women to make a better life using their own brains and ambition.

                • “Limited government empowers both men and women to make a better life using their own brains and ambition.”

                  Amen. Which for me means, you, as a bubette, have every right to choose. I may not agree with the choice but I don’t have to. (Personally I could never be a party to an abortion but at the same time I’m not going to tell someone else they can’t.)

              • If we wanted to vote Democrat, we would have no need for another party.

                barack won elections. Democrats gained a few seats. The Tea Party folks gained more at the same time that was happening, so there’s no “losing elections” to cry over.

                Except you folks are in for a shock in 2014.

                • As a guy that has always pulled the lever “R”….I’ve been shocked too many times at losses that shouldn’t have happened already. So, no, I won’t be shocked.

                  Run anyone but Grandpa McCain* the first time and Obama loses. If Romney doesn’t throw in the towel during the last two weeks, he wins….The guy was defeatable both times, he really was.

                  *McCain may have won had he gone another route than Palin, in fairness.

                • Then let’s hope you are shocked to see how many people have dropped support for the kinds of politicians you seem to want in the party.

                  The path you outlined is the exit-from-office path, not the way to get elected.

          • BAW

            The attacks on religion always remind me Antoinette Tuff. Do you remember her? The press didn’t really play up the fact that she, a black clerk, managed to prevent a deadly school shooting. I thought she should have been a national hero. There should be a movie. But the press downplayed the whole thing. I noticed as soon as she did an interview and credited her faith and God for what she did, no one wanted to talk about her anymore.

            If the press covered just a fraction of all the good religious people do, I think your attitude about people of faith would be different. But that’s not what the left wants. They want you to believe the narrow minded stereotype they have created. And you either agree or don’t know but are willfully going along with it.

            • All types of people do ‘good’ – religious or not. Personally, I have no beef with religious types and certainly support their right to congregate, worship, all that….But when placing their vote I wish they’d go, “Ok, I’d better separate my church from my ‘state’ here….”

              And, no, as an educated individual I’m capable of making up my own mind without a priest or the media telling me what to believe. In that capacity I believe the Bible is a great place to start when looking at and researching history but anyone that believes a thing named “God” put a man here, took a rib, etc…..C’mon. Who is the bigger sheep here, me for looking at facts or someone who blindly reads a book and is told how to interpret it?

              • BAW

                You start well with an indication that you know there are all kinds of people in all kinds of groups. That’s why almost all stereotypes are almost always wrong. (I do believe all serial killers are evil.)

                But you still can’t help yourself or stop yourself from stereotyping and judging all people of faith. You know and fully understand what everyone of them thinks and believes? I’m not “religious” but I can accept the beliefs of others. And I’m not arrogant enough to believe they must be stupid if they believe things that I do not.

                More importantly, I have seen the good work done by people of faith, all my life. I can think of no other group that has done as much good for as many people all around the world – from healthcare to education to charity in every form. Certainly not the anti-religion types, they are a mean hateful bunch and as far as know do nothing constructive. But you are welcome to side with them, agree with them, join them.

              • Now you’re going too far off topic in a thread that’s already nasty enough. Best drop it.

                • Oh yes, I better drop it or the mean stay at home mod may ban my comments because he’s getting his ass handed to him.

                • You aren’t even managing a weak defense of your own nonsense here. So you aren’t handing anyone anything.

                  But if you don’t understand how moderated sites work, you might want to learn by first reading the Comment Policy. If you don’t like it, you can always go elsewhere.

          • Richard the Lion-Hearted

            F–k any independent that doesn’t recognize, whether they are Christian or not, the real benifits of Judeo/ Christian laws governing us. Talking points, buzz words, it’s a woman’s right to murder fool, how can a murdered pregnant woman be considered double-homicide and yet a woman doing it not. How come the actual definition of marriage from the beginning of recorded history is “between a man and a woman”? Reconcile these arguements with actual intelligence and common-sense, but you can’t, to even try is an indication of your politically-diseased mind. It was never about gay rights, it was about destroying culture and Christian ideals.

  • Dave

    He’s not a slaver, but he makes a good point. Legal and illegal
    immigration is displacing the American working-class so much, whites and blacks
    especially, that slavery seems like a better quality of life than what
    the free market has to offer non-educated working-class Americans.
    That’s how bad the depression is — that slavery would be an
    improvement.

    • BAW

      I disagree with him but I agree he makes a good point. Not for individuals who are today free to decide not to be enslaved by the government but for the black community as a whole. They have allowed blacks in general to be devalued, they have allowed their families to be destroyed, they have allowed their children to reject education, they have allowed crime to flourish in their communities.

      I believe he makes a point that for all blacks, their circumstances are not improved today as they should have been improved by freedom because far too many, are not free.

  • Andrew Dyson

    Here comes the press to obamas rescue, again. Playing the same old tune.

    • thewarnextdoor

      I’m pretty sure that Bundy’s own mouth came to the rescue.

      • Andrew Dyson

        Oh come on, the press will no investigate him to death and paint him as a racist. Because he dared to question.

        • thewarnextdoor

          Dared to question whether receiving food stamps is as bad as being property, forced into manual labor, beaten and whipped, and separated from your children? The question makes it pretty obvious that he is at least an idiot.

          • Andrew Dyson

            he dared to question the current order. For that he must be destroyed. He has a point. Is being dependant on the state any different from slavery???

  • 5555555555

    Bundy is wrong because black people didn’t go straight from slavery to being dependent on government. There was a huge period of time, roughly 100 years, in which they prospered. The decline of the black middle class is something that occurred in the mid 20th century, and it was the result of progressivism..

    • LastMomStanding

      Thank LBJ for his “Great Society”. Progressivism at it’s finest.

    • Richard the Lion-Hearted

      You are wrong, black people didn’t have prosperity at any time except right before LBJ (because of MLK). Johnson got them in his pocket and the flawed welfare system kicked in to re-enslave them. Prejudice was alive and well, if for nothing more than fear, which that as all things bad was created by government propaganda to keep us seperated, and kept black people as 2nd class citizens. Brought to you by none other than the card carrying democrats (what card? The KKK card).

      • Prosperity is a relative term. To go from slavery to any form of prosperity is a very good thing, and not to be dismissed lightly. Few blacks were wealthy, but many did prosper, just like most lower-middle class folks who decide to open a store or sell things out of their homes.

        It’s a good feeling to own your own labor and prosper from it. That’s not the same thing as becoming recognized by society as wealthy.

      • 5555555555

        I never once said blacks had equal rights under the law or were 1st class citizens. I merely stated that economically, black people prospered, up to the point at which the black and white middle classes were on par, and there was no meaningful income gap.

        Of course MLK and people like him brought about a lot of good change, namely voting rights and equal treatment under the law. Unfortunately the civil rights movement was also co-opted by progressives, who used it to expand the role of government, institute new labor laws, and drastically expand the welfare state. This is what has caused the decline of the black middle class since the 1960s.

        • Richard the Lion-Hearted

          Okay, enough, we agree on too much to argue the timing of prosperity for blacks, or when it declined. Good day to you.

  • John D. Wright

    Give a conservative a rope long enough and this is what happens.

    • Richard the Lion-Hearted

      Yeah, you’re right on there, no restrictions imposed by government nor recommendations by them on what is racist this year or not.

    • LastMomStanding

      What happens, John?

      • John D. Wright

        Their true colors show. That’s what happens, LastMomStanding. That’s what happens.

        • Yep. They always ask questions like, “are you better off now under big government?”
          The skin-color obsessed left hates that question.

  • Kingsman

    Come on, we all know this is the next logical step in their attack plan. Can’t win the sympathy of the public? Demonize and throw around the R word a bit. Next will be FBI informant AL and his “Outrage”

  • Brian

    Stupid. Freedom is incredibly important, even if you aren’t “better off” in some rancher or some bureaucrat’s opinion. What an embarrassing turn of events.

    • You really think you are free Brian? Will you ever actually own your house, will you ever be finished paying taxes, do you even own 1 ounce of real money or just the fiat stuff the slave masters tell you is money?

  • Trump/Attkisson 2016

    I agreed with his original statement up until the part about picking cotton. (Also, if you want to make friends and influence people using the phrase “the negro” is never going to be helpful in this day and age, either.)

    It would have taken some finessing to make the point slave labor builds character to begin with. Hard work does build character, but it was unnecessary to tie that into the days of slavery. Comments like this the Democrat controlled media won’t allow (demonize, more like), and right or wrong Cliven Bundy will lose support from his powerful allies.

    • Randy Rogers

      I’m white and both of my parents picked cotton. What’s the deal with picking cotton?

      • Cotton is racist.

        • noexcuses

          Of course, it’s white!

        • Randy Rogers

          I’m wearing racist clothes then. Khakis and a cheap shirt.

    • sabrefox

      The only time the word “negro” is acceptable is when the United Negro College Fund wants your money, other than that it’s like they can’t stand the truth !!!

  • Dom Selgrade

    It appears to me from reading Bundy’s other speeches that he is an under educated man. I do not know if he is racist or not but I do believe that the words he said could easily have come out wrong. I can think of moments I have said something that seem mean when really I meant it to come out different. I see from his response he is just wondering if the poor blacks are better off in there social and financial situation now then before. Are they doing anything to take advantage of the freedoms they have or are they squandering them. I feel the same way but about all people rather than a single group. Is Bundy a racist or an under educated person that should have his speeches reviewed. I believe the latter. Imagine if all the politicians spoke without someone reviewing their speeches. Sure would make a lot of great news.

    • AmericanDuckie

      Considering that Bundy like millions of working folks are not polished in public speaking and what they do for a living doesn’t necessitate a political correct way of speaking- should make people think that he’s not necessarily racist, he’s just not a politician.

      • Looks like another one of those threads.

        • AmericanDuckie

          Sorry, couldn’t help myself. I didn’t know if you’d see that comment, then I saw this and had to say something. 🙂

      • Bundy says that he did not say “cotton picking”. He says that the WSJ lied in their quote on the Alex Jones show. They designed it to sound racist.

      • Conservator1

        I forget who posted this article from WND in defense of Bundy. It’s a longer article with a video trying to support the him (see below).

        I just wished his son stopped him from continuing to discuss any racial issue because it had nothing to do with the BLM land grab. It doesn’t matter if he was taken out of context. The MSM and democrats will use this to attack him and all conservatives. Their desperate with the midterms approaching and they are going to beat the drums of racism right up to November.

        And the RINOs and most conservatives in Congress will not defend him either. It really saddens me that this great man who has beaten the Fed’s for 20 years got caught in a “gotcha question.”

        Bundy’s son: N.Y. Times quote ‘out of context’
        http://www.wnd.com/2014/04/ammon-bundy-n-y-times-quote-out-of-context/

        “…Ammon Bundy told WND: “I was there standing right beside my father when he made those comments. He was reaching out to the black community.”

        He explained his father was commenting on the fact that while blacks were “in slavery on plantations, now because of the welfare system, they continue to be in slavery.”

        “He desires the black community to have freedom,” Ammon Bundy said…”

  • Jamo11

    You’re not allowed to wonder that. At least not in this country.

    • John D. Wright

      You’re allowed to wonder whatever racist thoughts you want. Nobody is stopping you. Just don’t expect not to be called out on your racist thoughts should you choose to voice them. That is also called freedom of speech.

      • MUSLIMCHILDMOLESTER69

        You remind me of the courtroom judge in Idiocracy….

      • Your racist comments are also allowed on the public square.

        They aren’t allowed here. Take your skin-color obsession back to whatever plantation it comes from.

        • Porlock1

          There nothing braver than challenging an anonymous man to an impossible duel.

          • If you don’t like the comment policy, leave.

            • Porlock1

              Wait till you see my other comment.

  • Beldar

    History reveals that every piece of racist legislation that was ever passed and every racist terrorist attack that was ever inflicted on African Americans, was initiated by the members of the Democratic Party. From the formation of the Democratic Party in 1792 to the Civil Rights movement of 1960’s, Congressional records show the Democrat Party passed no specific laws to help Blacks, every law that they introduced into Congress was designed to hurt blacks in 1894 Repeal Act. The chronicles of history shows that during the past 160 years the Democratic Party legislated Jim Crows laws, Black Codes and a multitude of other laws at the state and federal level to deny African Americans their rights as citizens.

    • LastMomStanding

      Stop stating facts!! You’ll make the libs’ heads explode. They can’t handle the truth.

  • Sharon Kremer

    People will read into his remarks what they want.What you won’t see is MSM running to his aid as with Obama to explain what he really said or meant to say,and this man is not the President of the United States misspeaking,just a hard working not very public kind a guy running or trying to run a ranch.What gov. is doing is wrong,I don’t care if they supposedly do own the land,to charge an OUTRAGEOUS amount of money for taxes on this land for cows grazing is unthinkable.Government overreach is fine until it is YOU they are after,then see how you feel.
    I don’t believe his words were the best chosen,but I do understand the thoughts he had,racism was not what he was trying to convey,nor that slavery was a better way of life,so he isn’t well spoken,big deal.

  • Quid Pro Quo

    The difference between conservatives and liberals is that conservatives know that slavery is wrong. Liberals want everyone to be a slave to the government.

    • Fred762

      Agreed..any son of obama can rail all day about ‘whitey’ and rednecks and honkeys and so on but there is hardly a whimper! Anything said from the right however gets 4″ above the fold headlines It makes me sick
      The fact is that Bundy’s position is about the SAME as Abe Lincoln’s position on slavery: Lincoln was quoted as saying that : “if it takes keeping them slaves to preserve the Union I’ll keep’em slaves. but if freeing them is what it takes to preserve the Union, I’l free’em. ” He personally favored sending all slaves back to Africa. Not many minorities know this btw.

  • Trojan Horse

    Just by having this conversation, we have lost the argument. Allowing this to turn from a discussion of federal over-reach to a discourse about slavery has drug this into the gutter and an argument we cannot win. We’ve traded the topic we win (federal power grab) for one where we lose (racism.) It is time to quit talking NOW.
    We can blame the media all we want, but him just bringing race into this discussion hurts our cause.

    • Andrew Dyson

      The media was looking for something like this. The racism charge is always used to stifle dissent. We need to stop falling for it.

      • thewarnextdoor

        CNN made Bundy say something racist!

        • Beldar

          What did Bundy say that was racist ?

          • catfood

            The same thing that Bill Cosby has said for years , that blacks make their own problems and slavery was no better then what they have now with welfare

        • TodaysGuest

          But you are ok with free speech as long as it meets with your approval?

    • jb

      I only regret that I have but one ‘thumbs up’ vote.

    • You don’t lose this particular “argument” unless you give up.

    • Frank Castle

      Kirk, I agree with you. Mr. Bundy should have stuck to the issue at hand but he didn’t so in the “gotcha” MSM, they will use this to paint all pro Constitutionalists as racists and bigots. I have some problems with this man before this came up but on the Federal overreaction and overreach, he was right. I can see, in my mind’s eye, the Southern Poverty Lawcenter going crazy with this. So Sad!

      • thewarnextdoor

        The MSM made him do it!

        • Frank Castle

          Nobody is made to say anything if they choose not to. This race issue had nothing to do with his problems with the Fed government. You have to be smarter than that when dealing with the media.

        • You’ve had your fun with that. Knock it off. We don’t allow spamming the threads with the same comment over and over.

  • disqus_hhmIFhbjih

    I agree with Cliven Bundy.

  • RobinGOOD63

    Divide and conquer using the race card. Don’t look at Dirty Dingus Reid and his corruption.

  • disqus_hhmIFhbjih

    Only a Libtard believes the NY Slimes. If Harry Reid wants a war then I am prepared to join in.

  • Ray

    Whites, blacks are all slaves today. Wage Slaves, Slaves to Food Stamps, Welfare, SSDI, etc. with the common goal of the upper .001% of making everyone a pawn to the dictator. Sorry… The two-party system is a sham.

  • JGTheMan

    I can’t make excuses for the coarseness, but he’s really just implying that, for many, their slave status hasn’t changed, it’s just a new overseer. I suspect Cliven would be for freedom for every person regardless of their skin color.

    • thewarnextdoor

      Yeah, freedom not to pay rent if you don’t want to.

    • dwok

      It’s not a new overseer, it’s the same form of government, it is however a different form a slavery. Instead of chains, it’s economic bondage.

      • Frank Castle

        I totally agree BUT, when dealing with our Federal Overlords and their MSM lackeys, you have to be smart and stay on point. Mr. Bundy didn’t. He can say what he pleases and I defend his right but STAY ON POINT!

        • dwok

          But he was on point. He was talking about government tyranny in all its forms.

          • Frank Castle

            Yes, okay, fight me on this but I know you understand in this silly PC, gotcha culture, certain words cause the MSM to pounce, and tear you apart. He just spoke plainly, and honestly and the PC police hyenas will do their best to discredit him now.

            • dwok

              I’m not trying to fight you, I agree with most of what you’re saying. I’m just saying that a zebra can’t change it’s stripes, like a minimally educated plain spoken individual isn’t going to become a linguist.

      • bloodyspartan

        But Run over to the crooks and liars website and he is prejudged, sentenced and white so he is a RACIST.

        • dwok

          Go read about what Glenn Beck said about this guy, it’ll help people realize what a con-man Beck is.

  • Kat Marks Mackenzie

    Good for him. Stick to you guns Mr. Bundy, and if the Republicans won’t support you then they don’t deserve to be called Americans.

    • thewarnextdoor

      Yes, please, I beg you, have your politicians adopt Bundy’s view.

      • TodaysGuest

        In case you weren’t aware, you might want to check our Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, and a handful of other racists. Their views and words surely define racism.

    • Frank Castle

      Kat, his land issue is one thing but bringing up race is totally stupid. It’s not his supporters you have to worry about but those on the fence thinking of supporting him. He has lost them with his stupidity. Slavery is the worse thing that can happen to a person. To say that folks under its yoke might be happier than being free, is insane.

      • dwok

        He’s was trying to illustrate the power the government can wield over a group of people through subsidies.

        • Frank Castle

          I understand what he said but to use the words “Negro” “slavery” and “picking cotton” in the same statement is not very intelligent. If he had just stuck to his problem with the Fed Govt., he wouldn’t be getting discredited and called a racist, at least, as much.

          • dwok

            You’re right in a sense. I think the time frame he reference back to was wrong. What he should have referenced back to was prior to 1964.

            • Frank Castle

              His 1st amendment rights should never be constrained but being smart he wasn’t in this presser with the media

              • dwok

                Look, this is a plain spoken individual. Is he media savvy? No. Does he know or acknowledge PC language? No. Does that make his message or his question racist? No.

                In fact you should find the 3 + minute video where he speaks fondly of Hispanic immigrants. This man is not a racist, just not a very good communicator.

                • Frank Castle

                  I didn’t say he was racist. I don’t know the man personally. I have posters call me racist since I’m for limited government and the U.S. Constitution. Of course, I’m not, my Filipina American wife (Naturalized, the legal way, I might add) and my Filipino American son aren’t either. They are brown skinned and I’m the white one. So, I understand what he said but with the “gotcha” MSM, you have to be careful, very careful or they will spin your words and paint you with whatever label they deem fit to attach to you.
                  Paula Deen had this happen to her too. She admitted she said the “N” word and because she was honest, she got run over. She said she had changed and that was years ago and I take her at her at her word.

          • AmericanDuckie

            He’s a rancher, not Harvard educated. When regular folks who are from his generation talk, most don’t think of how pc they have to be when answering questions or asked their opinions.

            • dwok

              Well said.

            • Frank Castle

              I understand that. I didn’t go to Harvard either but just bringing up that subject was just not smart. I don’t believe he is racist because he said it and I would never be able to tell since I don’t know him personally. I tend to give folks the benefit of the doubt.

      • TodaysGuest

        It is discouraging to see an American criticizing another for daring to voice their opinion lest they fear being derided for having the unmitigated gall to speak such.

        Personally, I find blacks referring to other blacks by using the “N” word offensive. Now what?

        • Frank Castle

          Everyone should have the right to say what they please except “Fire” when there is none in a crowded theater. I will defend his right to speak but what you say has consequences. With our “gotcha” MSM, you have to be smart and stay on point.

          • TodaysGuest

            You make a valid point. Yet I admire this man for not bowing to the ministers of PC. It is what it is. And until they clean up their own foul nests/mouths, their pretense in offense is ridiculous.

            • Frank Castle

              Good point and thanks for understanding my position. I don’t like Dirty Harry Reid and his son Rory because, it’s obvious, they are up to no good.

      • HarrietHT2

        Bundy’s point is that if slavery was bad 150 years ago it’s bad today as well. But today it’s not called slavery; it’s called compassion, fairness, equality, and it’s achieved through confiscatory taxation of the hard-working Americans who actually produce something. The entitlement state enslaves not only the takers but the givers as well, each becoming slaves to an ever-increasing authoritarian state.

        So the question is this: which kind of slavery was/is better for the black man and his family? That’s what Bundy wants you to take a good, hard look at. And for being concerned for the well-being of present-day black Americans, he’s called a racist — because that subject is TABOO.

        • HarrietHT2

          The answer, of course, is that it is better to be free. But our freedoms are going the way of the dinosaur under the heavy hand of a socialist — read that communist — government.

  • disqus_hhmIFhbjih

    Barrack Obama is the real RACIST and he thinks of all of you as slaves!!!

    • thewarnextdoor

      Haha.

      • bloodyspartan

        AND HE AND HOLDER AND THE REST INTEND TO EXTERMINATE YOU.

        OK South Africa and Rhodesia are myths.
        Those are not farmers being murdered and exterminated ,
        It is all your imagination.

  • justonce

    Am I the only person left on earth that was specifically taught the difference between ‘prejudice’ and ‘racism’ in elementary school?

    • thewarnextdoor

      Fine, Bundy is prejudiced, not racist. I don’t care. His statement was idiotic.

      • dwok

        Can you tell me what exactly is idiotic about being concerned by seeing rampant crime and murder in our inner cities?

        There is some serious soul searching that needs to be done in our society in trying to understand why and how our government through the “War on Poverty” actually started a war against the black family.

        Cliven Bundy’s question is not a reflection on black society but a reflection upon the power that the government has over your life if you allow it to happen.

      • bloodyspartan

        He is not prejudiced, he has seen the world and Post Judges it.
        POSTJUDICE.
        IF YOU CAN PRE JUDGE, YOU SURE AS HELL CAN POST JUDGE.

  • noexcuses

    It may not be PC but I believe we should make some allowances for our older generations and how they talk about such matters. While I do not agree to the extent that slavery was better, it is disingenuous not to recognize the cultural and social failure of black communities since the civil rights movement. Of course civil rights was the right thing to do….but it went beyond that to creating a culture of dependance that can’t be denied, nor it’s effects. Mr. Bundy is right that in many communities there is nothing to do. People are largely uneducated (50% or higher HS drop out rates, etc). Unemployment is high as are crime rates….not by coincidence. Curfews are instituted because young blacks are not tired enough at the end of the day to actually go to bed. Of course they aren’t tired, they haven’t worked! Go into these areas and drive around….people gathered on corners and stoops, nothing to do! They don’t have a job to get up for so they stay out late causing all sorts of trouble.

    Mr. Bundy is a left-over from the past and while he isn’t totally right, he also isn’t totally wrong.

    • justonce

      “we should make some allowances for our older generations and how they talk about such matters”
      Well said. i.e. what is in this guy’s heart? what is he TRYING to say? People should watch the whole video and then judge.

  • kssturgis62

    Here is a Video Tape provided by Media Matters, that I found on Wayne Dupree’s sight. It is what he said. IT is NOT racist, it is OLD SCHOOL talking. My gosh I don’t talk like my mother, I don’t talk like my kids. I am a little more PC than my mother, but never will I be as PC as my kids. God Help us with what we are coming to.

    • dwok

      You might want to find the 3:40 video where he speaks fondly of hispanic immigrants. His comments were not racist. He was simply asking a question in a manner in which some like yourself might find rather course.

    • TodaysGuest

      I’m wondering if you thought yourself justified in calling some birfers even though they, too, provided you tube clips of Michelle and his grandmother saying Barack was born in Kenya?

      • kssturgis62

        What????? Calling people birthers. why so demeaning to those that love our Constitution.

    • Don

      He is right. Romney was also right when he basically said a segment of the population will never vote Republican because they depend on or are enslaved to the govt. in some way. The people who spin facts and truths into racism are the racists.

      • kssturgis62

        AMEN Don, and for that we are racist and always will be.

  • Vichara

    The smug accusers of racism, on par with true racists.
    Amazing how the accusers read other people’s minds.

    • thewarnextdoor

      I’m not reading his mind–just his words.

      • justonce

        you can’t be racist by anything you say. It’s about what you do. Go back to school.

        • thewarnextdoor

          Um, no. Its about how you feel and view the world. And I assume that Bundy is saying how he feels and views the world.

          • justonce

            umm… no that’s prejudice.

            • thewarnextdoor

              Fine, Bundy is prejudiced. Doesn’t change much, does it?

              • Steven Feil

                Except he was just WONDERING if it was so or not. Again, you are trying to read his mind. An expression of WONDERING is not the same as actually FEELING OR BELIEVING it to be true or personal.

                • Steven Feil

                  To jwils09 who got his comment deleted: I am sorry for that.

                  Did you know that people of EVERY RACE commit the same crimes that you seem so fond of accusing white people of?

                  Whites have enslaved blacks.
                  Blacks have enslaved whites.
                  Whites have enslaved whites.
                  Blacks have enslaved blacks.

                  This whole racist issue is nothing more than an agenda to keep us at each other so that someone else can enslave others without us noticing.

              • AmericanDuckie

                Prejudice – a preconceived judgment or opinion, an adverse opinion or leaning formed without just grounds or before sufficient knowledge.

                Racism- : poor treatment of or violence against people because of their race, the belief that some races of people are better than others.

                Seems to me that Bundy being prejudiced in his speaking is different than being a racist because he never spoke violence towards black folks, nor did he seem to infer that they are inferior.

                There is a difference.

  • AesopsRetreat_Com

    The final words of that statement was that “Blacks did not get more freedom – they got less.” A racist would not care about the lack of freedoms.

    A non-Racist would.. Therefore, Bundy is not a Racist.

    • JallopyMacfurry

      Very true! I love logic. 🙂

  • Beldar

    Some called it the Civil War, others called it the War Between the States,
    but to the African Americans at that time, it was the War Between the Democrats and the Republicans over slavery. The Democrats gave their lives to expand it, Republican gave their lives to ban it.

    • thewarnextdoor

      Liberals gave their lives to ban it. The parties’ names stay the same, their ideologies change over time. I love conservatives trying to claim that they were actually progressive 100 years ago.

      • Beldar

        During the Senate debates on the Ku Klux Klan Act of 1871, it was revealed that members of the Democratic Party formed many terrorist organizations like the Ku Klux Klan to murder and intimidate African Americans voters. The Ku Klux Klan Act was a bill introduced by a Republican Congress to stop Klan Activities. Senate debates revealed that the Klan was the terrorist arm of the Democratic Party.

        • thewarnextdoor

          Read my last statement. Parties’ names stay the same, ideologies change.

          • rambo

            Say those from the Democratic party. I doubt you’d be singing that tune if the tables were turned.

            • Steven Feil

              I was just going to state the same thing. Liberal/progressives like to twist and change the story to fit and CONTROL the discussion.

          • Tollthis

            Troll

      • markus

        Actually, the Progressive Party 100 years ago was led by Teddy Roosevelt, and their membership was … Republicans.

      • bloodyspartan

        Nah libs gave other conservative folks lives to carpet bag.

    • Mark Traeger

      and then it took democrats another 100 years to find another way to enslave people…no matter the color…

      in 1964 they came up with “the great society”…and since then $$$trillions have been spent on their “enslavement” programs…

      what did we get?…generational dependency and a poverty rate that is higher now than it was at the beginning…

      democrats and liberalism: an arrogant dependency promoting party and ideology

  • TeaParty100

    Our Evolutiuon ( If they have their way )is from a patriot to a citizen to a slave to an inmate to a vegetable. The course they have charted for us and it would happen except for the Bundy’s and other freedom lovers standing up to the tyranny of socialism.

  • Making a generalization about a group of people as a whole, based on race IS racism, by definition. Some here want to excuse it to him being an old man. Well he sounds like an old, racist man. He has the right to believe or say what he wants. But the family has let him continue to ramble in front of the cameras and now he has hurt his cause.

    To assume any people had it better when they were bought and sold or put into indentured servitude is crazy. He has a picture of a happy Negro family on the farm working as slaves and being productive. Many times, these family members were bought and sold and divided up. They could not legally be taught to read and had to do it in secret. Not all slave masters were cruel, but there were atrocities, the most obvious of which were the rapes that produced mixed race slave children. Slavery is a horrible thing. It also puts for the idea that these people are not smart enough to make it on their own without someone around to tell them what to do.

    Certainly, you can make a claim that the government is enslaving us all. But I think Bundy has stepped in a big cow patty and now the focus will be off what the government is trying to do and on what he said.

  • Andrew Dyson

    HOW DARE HE QUESTION!!!! The slaves are getting uppity.

  • UnfriggingBelieveable

    the leftists want to use the statement against him to act as if he is racist….

    but what he said is true

    • thewarnextdoor

      It is true that receiving food stamps is just as bad as being whipped, beaten, killed, forced into manual labor, separated from your children, and sold to others? You are crazy.

      • Andrew Dyson

        Let me guess, you voted for Obama.

        • thewarnextdoor

          I don’t have to be a democrat to know that food stamps and slavery are not the same thing.

          • Andrew Dyson

            Only by degree. Yes I know you don’t get tit.

            • thewarnextdoor

              What degree? 180?

              • ☢ Andrew ∆ James ☢

                At an emotional level, the difference is obvious… From a more logical, informed perspective, the difference is subtle… When slaves volunteer to wear the shackles of oppression… you don’t need a whip.

      • bloodyspartan

        You mean whipped by those Black Slave Owners.
        300,000 blacks fought for the Confederacy.
        Man they must have been beat so bad they had Stockholm Syndrome!

        You frauds make crap up and believe it.
        Yes it happened but it was not the norm. But since all are dead you can say what you want.

        Hey look at Detroit and Africa.

        The Black Man rules, so Death once again rises. It’s whiteys fault.

        But don’t focus on reality that is too close. .Stay in the past and extrapolate.

        Now Hypothetical Thought is Racism because Only the Whites has power to be RACIST.

        • thewarnextdoor

          I have no idea what you are trying to say. Are you actually arguing that slavery was not that bad? Are you a Holocaust denier too?

    • LTE2

      “but what he said is true”
      .
      In a matter of a few seconds, Mr. Bundy handed the Democrats a fresh box of political dynamite to use on Republicans.

      • ☢ Andrew ∆ James ☢

        Good… Blow up all political animals. Time to get over our obsession with these two criminal parties… It’s time to rejoin the human race.

    • LTE2

      “but what he said is true”
      .
      What Bundy said was incredibly stupid.

    • shaggyk

      He only posed a question. He said “I am wondering”. Are the thought police so corrupt that we are no longer allowed to wonder?

  • LTE2

    Right now every Democrat Party leader is reassessing their view that God does not exist, Bundy just made sure they got political manna from Heaven. Well done Mr. Bundy, you just blew all the good will you had gotten.

    • thewarnextdoor

      “Normal” Republicans are fleeing from his cause as we speak. This story will be dead–dropped by Fox News–within a week. People need to be more careful when they pick their “heroes.”

  • Ruckweiler

    While his bluntness is probably unneccessary the questions he asks are valid. Most cities with large black populations are economic and social disasters, Detroit being the poster child for this.. Bundy is NOT advocating a return to slavery but noticing that the present situation is terrible. Of course, everything he says will be couched in the cry of racist.

    • thewarnextdoor

      Blunt = being direct. Comparing food stamps to slavery = being stupid.

      • Andrew Dyson

        If you are dependant on the state, you are its slave.

        • thewarnextdoor

          That is not what he said. He said, very plainly, that being on food stamps is just as bad as historical slavery.

          • Andrew Dyson

            No that exactly what he said. Before the media twisted it. The same media who said Zimmerman was white.

            • thewarnextdoor

              Oh no! The lame stream media made him say stupid stuff!

              • Andrew Dyson

                It would help if they actualy fully quoted what he said,.

          • Richard the Lion-Hearted

            He was wrong, it’s worse today. But the blind can’t see, most by their own self-imposed, self righteousness, as is your case.

          • zeak14

            I didn’t hear it that way. I believe he paraphrased everything with “I wonder” and “I was wondering”.

        • Christopher Cook

          All red states are dependent on federal subsidies, money that comes from blue states. When y’all get off the blue stateteat then we can talk.

      • clemensb

        The poor guy is almost 70 and a simple rancher. He is not a polished political spokesman. He carries the viewpoint and baggage of a white male of his generation.

        You can hold those views out in the Desert Solitare even up to the current day and probably not get the PC police mad.
        But his racial views and anachronistic vocabulary (at least he didn’t use the “N” word that is forbidden to whites…) have nothing to do with the issue at hand.

        Of course the progressive left has jumped on this like chum in a shark tank and will use it as a red herring to throw everyone off the point. (Please excuse the multiple fish metaphors).

      • Ruckweiler

        thewarnextdoor:
        Why is it stupid? Since government “benefits” such as these enslaves people into a totally dependent life, his comments openly reveal that which the country knows.

    • Owen Finn

      Why doesn’t he try a year in their shoes?

      • thewarnextdoor

        Well, he has been mooching off the government since at least 1993, when stopped paying for the land he uses to raise his cattle.

        • Owen Finn

          Exactly – he’s a mooch.

        • Vitt

          Because he was never supposed to be paying those fees in the first place! Do some of your own research on this and you will see that the MSM is blatantly lying to people about that very subject.

      • Ruckweiler

        Finn:
        Why? It’s not as if Americans don’t know what goes on in the black community in the cities. Are you saying that his questioning is revealing something NOT true?

        • Owen Finn

          He says slavery would be better than what there is today. Let him try slavery for even 30 days.

      • zeak14

        Why should he? He works for a living and seems to love his work.

        • Owen Finn

          He had his land handed to him from his family, and he freeloads off public lands.

          • zeak14

            How is working 100 hour weeks or more “free loading”.

            He doesn’t pay his grazing fees. He hasn’t obeyed court orders. He is trespassing on Federal Land without their permission.

            That doesn’t make him a welfare queen.

            I’ll ask again since you wanted to skip the response. Do you apply the same standard to many of the illegals who come to this country, mooch off the government, get welfare, free health care, free phones, free cable, 100% home financing. no credit auto financing, trespass on BLM and private land to get her, BREAK THE LAW and are criminals to get here, use fake IDs, fake driver’s licenses, can’t speak english, can’t read road signs, cause Arizona and California to have the highest hit and run rates in the world by a factor of 10 times?

            DO YOU. Are they not far worse than Bundy who merely refuses to pay a grazing fee that he believes the government has not earned?

            • Owen Finn

              He doesn’t work 100 hours a week. He has immigrant workers to do that for him.

      • TodaysGuest

        Why don’t you try a year in his boots?

        • Owen Finn

          Someone who had his land handed to him from his family?

          • noexcuses

            Nothing at all wrong with building on a family business/legacy. Perhaps you don’t see that because your family never accumulated anything.

            • Owen Finn

              My family didn’t have much wealth – everything I have I worked for myself. Do you not believe in bootstrapping yourself to success?

              • noexcuses

                Of course, I have done the same as well. I still don’t resent those who have something to start with. Ranching isn’t easy….it’s a bit different than being from a family of investment bankers! He’s done plenty to earn/keep what he’s got.

          • So you are against inheritance?

      • noexcuses

        That would require a real downgrade….not only in lifestyle but in work ethic, character, etc. People like Bundy weren’t made that way. Why the h3ll would he want to trade a day of satisfying hard work for a day of sitting around and collecting a welfare check?

        • Owen Finn

          Well, he seems fine using someone else’s land for free, so not much of a downgrade as you’d think…

          • noexcuses

            It’s just as much his land as anyone’s. Probably more since his family has held grazing rights for generations. In fact he’s still willing to pay….just not to the feds who have no interest in actually managing the land (which is what the fees are supposed to be for). They’ve been driving ranchers off the land for a while no for no good reason. Why should anyone pay to be put out of business?

            • Owen Finn

              … except the land he’s using has never been owned by his family, and the law is that he pays to the Feds.

          • He’s using “public” land. Look up “commons” and stop trolling.

            • Owen Finn

              Yes – and he should pay into the maintenance of said land, like everyone else who uses it does.

              • He did pay it, for many years. He also improved the land by adding wells and other things. He stopped when the Feds stopped using the money for the purpose which he paid it. He lost his case in court.

                So he is going to probably lose his ranch.

                But he was never “freeloading”.

                You now know the facts, so don’t pretend otherwise.

  • John Tylo

    Cliven Bundy Responds to New York Times Racism Report
    http://youtu.be/wCJ59tls0vc

  • Sentinel

    It seems to me that this site has become troll-sieged. WAY TOO MANY posters for this insignificant topic. And WAY TOO MANY ignorant posts. TRS, it’s time to weed the garden – too much manure is being spread around by idiots.

  • Ignatz

    I get a huge kick out of this Welfare Queen In A Cowboy Hat thinking subsidies are bad for *black* people.

    He also apparently thinks white people never get any public assistance.

    Fat-bellied jerk.

    • friskyness

      subsidies are never good as a way of life…they create laziness….true, sometimes people need help for 6months or so, but not as a way of life…..that’s what Bundy was saying……subsidies have created a lazy culture…..liberals love that….the lazy’s will always vote for dems…………

      • thewarnextdoor

        Does refusing to pay for the land you use make you lazy?

        • TodaysGuest

          Do some research on you own and don’t just depend on sites who regurgitate your misinformed views.

      • Ignatz

        [true, sometimes people need help for 6months or so, but not as a way of life]

        Why not? It’s HIS way of life! He’s been using Government land free of charge for twenty years!

  • Owen Finn

    Bundy is also a “slave” to the government – he’s using their land for free. Getting a handout. Being a moocher.

    • zeak14

      So you don’t like moocher’s and bloodsuckers?

      50% of this country pays no federal income taxes and lives off of government welfare, unemployment, food stamps, free phones, free utilities, free health care and free cable television. Are you condemning your brother and sister mooches?

      While I think Bundy should pay for his use of the land, at least Bundy works and he works extremely hard. 50 of the country has chosen, in the immortal words of the progs, pelosi, bar-e and their boot licking media lap dogs, to “pursue more creative interests” that don’t require work.

      The top 47% of this country earners pay 98% of the federal income taxes.

      So I have to ask you. A you a chickentaxhawk? Are you one of those who doesn’t pay federal income taxes because if you are, you don’t any right at all to criticize Bundy or what the government spends its money on. At least Bundy pays his income taxes.

      • Owen Finn

        I’m not American. I am fully employed. I also pay all my taxes and fees as necessary by my country’s laws. I didn’t have my wealth passed down to me by my family.

        • It’s not “their” land, it’s our land.

          • Owen Finn

            Yes – community land. Not “his” land.

            • He never said it was his land.

              • Owen Finn

                Sorry – “his families” land.

  • Christopher Cook

    In 1794, when a group of 500 guys that also did not recognize the
    federal government and did not want to pay their taxes raised their guns
    on the tax collector, George Washington raised a 13,000 strong force
    and marched on them, personally leading the column. Obama should do
    the same (well, not really the same. He can phone it in from the golf
    course because he wouldn’t look good on a horse). The point is that
    these anti-federalist, neo-Confederate, halfassed anarchists need to be
    taught the same lesson their great-granddaddies last learned 150 years
    ago.

  • AmericanDuckie

    Once again folks, welcome- but please read the comment rules and abide by them.http://therightscoop.com/the-r… especially the one about name calling. thanks.

  • Steven Feil

    So, we are NOT ALLOWED TO WONDER AND QUESTION ANY MORE???????

    He never said, DIRECTLY, that he BELIEVED OR KNEW those wonderings to be true, JUST WONDERED.

    Has PC and progressive mind control gone that far already that we cannot even consider new thoughts or WONDERINS beyond what THEY want us to have?

    Welcome to the USSA.

    • thewarnextdoor

      I wonder if all Republicans are stupid. I wonder if they are all racists. I wonder if they want to put slavery back into place. I’m just wondering. Nothing wrong with that, right?

      • LTE2

        “I wonder if all Republicans are stupid.”
        .
        Wonder no more, many are stupid.

      • shaggyk

        It’s not that slavery is good, but that the modern welfare state has done more damage to black families than slavery ever did.

        http://townhall.com/columnists/walterewilliams/2013/07/31/black-selfsabotage-n1651550/page/full

      • Steven Feil

        I wonder if all liberals are so narrow minded that they won’t allow anyone to have a thought other than what THEY think should be thought……

        Apparently so.

    • LTE2

      “So, we are NOT ALLOWED TO WONDER AND QUESTION ANY MORE???????”
      .
      Bundy, even if he was totally sincere and without malice handed the Democrats another brick to throw at Republicans.
      .
      If you are going to wonder, you better do it with skill and tact.

      • Andrew Dyson

        So only approved thought is ok?

        • localnet

          Apparently yes. But I understand where Bundy is coming from… Grew up in Detroit, and one trip down there will have you “wondering” the same thing. I was down there last night for Ford, I was just hoping I did not get shot while doing my job.

        • it is called STRATEGY. People who want to get elected use it. Grassroots movements trying to attract supoert and donations use it. We are in a war and we need to behave with logic, common sense and realize who the enemy is. You do not play into their hands.

      • Steven Feil

        With liberals, it does not matter how much skill, tact or facts they are presented with.

      • That’s an infringement, so no.

  • AesopsRetreat_Com


    Do not judge by words. Judge only by Actions.

    Words are fleeting, and sometimes depends on if we’ve had our morning cup of coffee.. We’ve all been there.

    Words come from the brain. Actions come from the heart.
    That is why your girlfriend always asks you to speak from your heart..
    From the person you really are.

  • D.G.

    OMG !!
    When will people learn to STFU ??!!
    This @sshole is inviting needless controversy.
    People are supporting his situation, not his opinions – but if he can’t keep the off-topic BS to a minimum, he’s going to find himself without support !!

    • barracuda43

      By speaking the truth? He never said Slavery was good. Pull the cotton out of your ears.

      • thewarnextdoor

        No, he only said that historical slavery and food stamps are equally bad. Haha. Please, god, let Bundy keep talking.

        • barracuda43

          He also said the family unit was together in slavery and not torn apart by the Democrat plantation of 2014!

    • very astute. I believe he has already lost the support and will be in shock as he has lost favor of the grassroots with his inept comments. I am very disappointed but hoping this is a learning lesson for grassroots.

  • beckdella

    Ignatz,
    Truth hurts????? It is all true whether you admit it or not….black families are almost a thing of the past..and more black babies are aborted than any other race…and welfare and gov’t asst. receivers are slaves to the govt. So what has this man said that is so awful… the truth? This political correctness is killing us as a nation.

    • thewarnextdoor

      Yes, its political correctness that keeps normal people from saying that food stamps and historical slavery are equally bad.

  • TLGi9

    The Welfare Cowboy has spoken.

    • thewarnextdoor

      Haha. I like that.

    • Jeb

      The slave cowboy has spoken…now get back to work slave!

  • Mark Salinger

    This is quite a depressing display in the comments here today. We may yet pull off a major mid-term defeat. The Alinskyites play conservatives like a fiddle and too many on here are coming to dance to the tune and fulfill the caricature liberals have created for us.

    • barracuda43

      Only way Republican lose mid terms is if Boehner brings Amnesty up.

      • abbypatch

        Or the Demonrats or unions truck in more illegal votes. 🙂

    • you are exactly right.

    • LTE2

      “The Alinskyites play conservatives like a fiddle”.
      .
      Conservatives make it easy to get played. Sad truth is, the Republicans suck at the media game and in politics, media is everything.
      .
      They have the ball in their hands and are running towards the wrong goal post.

      • HarrietHT2

        The reason Republicans suck in the media game is because they’re on the same side as the Dems — but they try to hide it so that voters will have the mistaken idea that we actually have opposing teams running the government. Let’s call it a Potemkin Republic.

        There’s no fire in the GOP’s belly because they’re happier to capitulate to the statist takeover of America — and pick up the crumbs/perks along the way. Some say Obama is the Emperor who wears no clothes — Republicans don’t wear any either, sad but true.

      • abbypatch

        The reason the Republicans suck at the media game is because the media IGNORES anything sensible, which includes a lot of Republican ideas. They are paid for by the Demonrats and kiss butt so they don’t get their butts censored. MSNBC is the biggest butt kisser of them all and their ratings suck because of their attitude and lies, but leave it to them as they blame conservatives and Republicans every time and the brain dead believe every word..

        • Mark Salinger

          That’s why we have to either play their game or sidestep it entirely. Most conservatives seem to want to jump headlong into the traps they set for us.

          • abbypatch

            It’s just so sad to see this country torn apart the way it is and honesty doesn’t seem to count anymore. It’s how big a whopper you can tell to make people furious that brings people to their side. Even in Congress, the lies are fast and furious from one side a/k/a Harry Reid and others, yet some people love him.

            Now i have noticed how the state races have picked up on this idea and run with it. I counted 3 contenders for a governorship who out and out lied and I’m trying to set the record straight to no avail. Strange.

        • LTE2

          “The reason the Republicans suck at the media game is because the media IGNORES anything sensible”
          .
          Give me three memorable quotes from the current Speaker Of The House.

          • I think he says, “uh” a lot.

            Oh, and, “Are you kidding me?”

            That’s all I can remember.

  • localnet

    Sounds spot on to me, he is of an older generation, just didn’t get the words right, and he is not a democrat.

  • spin43

    Why are black people more inclined to support Marxist principles which take away freedoms? Wouldn’t they want as much freedom as possible?

  • Jeb

    Are Whites better off living in cities, giving up their rights and never learning how to live off the land? We’re about to see that unfold here in the near future. Blacks and whites will either be running to Bundy for advice how to survive or to Government for a hand out.

    • thewarnextdoor

      And Bundy can tell them that the easiest way to make money is refuse to pay rent for the land you use.

      • Jeb

        Who owns the land? Show me the deed!

      • TeaPartyPatriotTD

        You truly have no idea what the Hell you’re talking about…laughable

  • Texmom

    Stick to the issue of overburdensome federal government. Stay on issue

  • spin43

    All our thinking and wondering must be approved by the Regime. Canada’s middle class is now wealthier than the Welfare States of Obama, AKA USA.

  • Beldar

    After the Civil War, Democrats murdered several hundred black elected officials (in the South) to regain control of the southern government. All of the elected officials up to 1935 were Republicans. As of 2004, the Democrat Party (the oldest political party in America) has never elected a black man to the United States Senate, the Republicans have elected three.

    • thewarnextdoor

      Very relevant ….

      • Beldar

        You love Margaret Sanger?

        • thewarnextdoor

          Even more relevant …

          • Beldar

            Are you a paid troll, or just a troll?

          • This is just trolling, so you’re done.

            Folks, if you want to stick around, don’t troll. Just follow the Comment Policy.

  • World’s best political comment

    Too many people in this country have locked themselves into a plantation mentality. They can leave the plantation whenever they choose, but they would rather to stay put and blame others for their predicament. On their self-imposed plantation, there are no locks on the doors, no guards in towers, no dogs patrol the grounds, and there are no documents to produce to just walk out, yet there they stay.
    .
    The funny part is that they stay and laugh at us and call us racists because we refuse to join them.
    .

    • thewarnextdoor

      Bundy is living off of federal land that he refuses to pay for … please tell me again how he is a free man.

      • Tanks-a-lot

        grass is worth something to the government?

        are you dumb?

        • thewarnextdoor

          So, a property owner can’t charge someone to use his or her land?

          • Tanks-a-lot

            the cattle provide a landscaping service by cutting grass and fertilizing soil.

            grass is worth something to the government?

            are you dumb?

          • TeaPartyPatriotTD

            The State of Nevada owns that property, NOT the federal government. And if the federal government owns the property, their are literally millions of us who would argue that Bundy has OUR permission to use OUR portion of that property (after all, the government is employed by the people), for his cows.

      • World’s best political comment

        Bundy is the epitome of freedom. It is you Democrats who want to maintain the status quo for the poor

        • TeaPartyPatriotTD

          Democrats in power is the crux of ALL the problems we face today.

      • Patriot

        Actually, he is not “Living off of federal land”. He has his own property and it is his cattle that occasionally graze on the U.S. Taxpayers land. IT IS NOT THE GOVERNMENTS LAND….

        But I am sure those facts only confuse and scare liberals like yourself.

        • Gracie

          In reality, you are not thinking it thru. He owns 100-160 acres and 900 cows. If 1/2 of his farm is devoted to raising melons, those 900 cows would be packed in nose to tail and would die quickly. His only means of keeping and feeding 900 cows is to use the grazing land. Some grazing animals, especially horses require 5-9 acres each to survive.

      • TeaPartyPatriotTD

        Bundy is living off of hard work, self-reliance and personal responsibility. He is fighting the government’s overreach into States Rights, while they make false claims and send out armed thugs in an effort to thwart his legitimate efforts to exist as his family has for generations. If he’s so bad, such a threat to the government, 200+ armed people can certainly arrest a single citizen. The fact that you do not understand the background of this fight OR the implications of it are astounding…

    • TeaPartyPatriotTD

      Those who choose to allow the government to provide for their basic needs deserve the misery they impose on themselves…

  • Bocephus Palin Bundy

    So a guy whose been a deadbeat welfare queen whose been ripping off the U.S. Taxpayer for 20 years is also a Racist? WHO WOULDA THUNK IT?! WHAT ARE THE ODDS ?!?!?!?

    • Tanks-a-lot

      wow
      grass is worth something to the government

      are you dumb?

      • thewarnextdoor

        Can I use taxpayer owned land and not pay for it?

        • Andrew Dyson

          Yes

        • Texas_TEA_Time

          No, because Harry Reid already sold it to the Chinese communists.

        • Richard the Lion-Hearted

          You really are an idiot, ‘taxpayer owned’ means we all own it. Based on your actual residence and established continuation of use for surrounding public land, as IS established quite well in this case, doesn’t give government the right to claim the land under very much so, undefined laws, that are so convoluted that they are applied wherever and whenever a whim strikes them to steal land.

    • Patriot

      As for the intelligent and honest posters on this site, we are sincerely sorry that you view the truth as racism. I guess it’s easier to label someone as a racist versus admitting the truth when it goes against your ideology.

      • Richard the Lion-Hearted

        Actually it rubs that place where his spine used to be the wrong way.

    • TeaPartyPatriotTD

      You are living proof that outcome-based education has failed, once again. I have to ask, how much have YOU paid into the tax system versus what you have taken from the producers in America?

    • This race-obsessed goon is gone.

  • Garrai

    The raaayyciism card is played, now all rational debate ceases. This country is so over.

  • commiebasher

    NOTHING Mr Bundy said was ” racist”

    he just is older and has the “old school” way of expressing himself and some yuppie trendies can’t handle honesty on that level.

    Everything Bundy said was true, and I’m sure the enemy Leftists will jump all over this to push THEIR sick political agenda.

    Don’t fall for it.

    Bundy is a good, honest man.

    Blacks are on the Democrat plantation…. Duh.

    • thewarnextdoor

      Honestly, you believe that food stamps are as bad as historical slavery?

      • Roninf9

        Dependency on government handouts is worse than slavery in some ways. Slavery is worse in other ways.

        • thewarnextdoor

          Haha.

          • Roninf9

            In the 1930’s the government recorded interviews with many former slaves. You can find them on the net. Listen and read what they had to say about it. It wasn’t a horrific experience.

          • Tollthis

            1.

      • commiebasher

        Nobody said that and nobody believes that. Foodstamps do indeed keep people on the democrat plantation. Quit oversimplifying the words an older gentleman my have misspoken to use to your advantage politically you Leftist troll…

        • thewarnextdoor

          I’m pretty sure that is exactly what Bundy (and several of his defenders here) said.

          • commiebasher

            You are twisting the words of people who are not media savvy…. These are ranchers and farmers… REAL people who feed America and you are jumping all over him for using words that may not have been the best choice, but ARE TRUE.

          • Richard the Lion-Hearted

            NEWSFLASH: As with all leftists, it’s what you say, not what you do. Or the, “But I meant well”, after everything crashes and burns like Detroit, L.A., Compton, Chicago, Atlanta, Cleveland, Jersey City, etc. etc.

      • Andrew Dyson

        The only difference is degree.

        • thewarnextdoor

          180 degrees.

      • Hagrid

        From his point of view they are the same, just one has real chains, the other has virtual ones. The liberal democratic con game has stripped the Black community of morality, the family unit, and self dignity, all in the guise of free phones, free food, free cash. ” Vote for me and I’ll set you free!” They are “free” alright. Free to do, think, act, worship, conform to and breed what, when, how, and where they are told.to do so. The only real difference from historical slavery is the slaves back then knew they were slaves.

    • 60yearoldwoman

      everything he said was true? absolutely not. . but i won’t belabor the issue, except for one point… in response to your “old school” reference. many “old school” racists cherish the image of slaves living humble but happy lives with their families in nice little cabins . PLEASE do some reading of history if you believe this to be true. i don’t care which creditable historian you choose (go with a die-hard conservative) and then come back and tell me which historian believes that slaves lived with their families.

      ignorance in support of racism is just that: ignorant and racist.

      • commiebasher

        Your emotionalism does not work here. Nobody has said welfare is worse than slavery. Mr Bundy was illustrating absurdity by being purposefully absurd to drive home a point. You Leftists have zero tolerance for mistakes or sarcasm

        • 60yearoldwoman

          my emotionalism? you mean because i said “PLEASE”… or because i’m a woman. gee. there’s a shocker. telling a woman she’s emotional. always an effective argument.

          btw, i didn’t say that you or my bundy said welfare was worse. i was responding to your assertion that everything mr bundy said was true. it demonstrably isn’t.

          and, while i’m here, and “emotional”, let me just say: you’re a jackass and not worth my time. bye.

  • Patriot

    It is a close contest as to who kills more blacks each year. The abortion-loving democrats or black gangs.

  • Andrew Dyson

    Since 1870 their family has grazed on that land. They paid fees to the state of Nevada all that time till the federal government took it over and he has said he will pay the fees to the state of Nevada. This was not an issue till Harry reids buddies wanted to build on that land.

    • thewarnextdoor

      My apartment was purchased by a new owner. I will pay the old owner, but not the new one. This is my God-given right.

      • Tanks-a-lot

        I will move into your home and eat your food and sleep with your wife.

        I’ll call myself an “undocumented roommate”

      • Expat61

        I think you are missing the point. The federal government has always owned the land, and the Bundy family have always paid grazing fees. But because of the tortoise, the grazing rights have been jacked up to drive them out of business. However, at the same time: “The Bureau of Land Management (BLM) designated over 50 million acres of public land available for solar development in Nevada, including nearly all of Bunkerville, the home of the Bundy Ranch.” http://freebeacon.com/issues/blm-designated-50-million-acres-open-for-solar-development-in-nevada/

        • Antiobamunist

          Just to be clear, the Federal Government has no Constitutional Power to own any land unless it is part of their Constitutionally defined role in defending the Country, i.e. Military Bases.
          Most of the current Federal ABC Departments are Unconstitutional as well.

          • Expat61

            Incorrect: Federal land ownership began when the original 13 states ceded their “western” lands (between the Appalachian Mountains and the Mississippi River) to the central government between 1781 and 1802. Substantial land acquisition in North America via treaties and purchases began with the Louisiana Purchase in 1803 and culminated with the purchase of Alaska in 1867. In total, the federal government acquired 1.8 billion acres in North America.
            The U.S. Constitution addresses the relationship of the federal government to lands. Article IV, § 3, Clause 2 — the Property Clause — gives Congress authority over federal property generally, and the Supreme Court has described Congress’s power to legislate under this Clause as “without limitation.” The equal footing doctrine (based on language within Article IV, § 3, Clause 1), and found in state enabling acts, provides new states with equality to the original states in terms of constitutional rights, but has not been used successfully to force the divestment of federal lands. The policy question of whether to acquire more, or to dispose of any or all, federal lands is left to Congress to decide.
            The initial federal policy generally was to transfer ownership of many federal lands to private and state ownership. Congress enacted many laws granting lands and authorizing or directing sales or transfers, ultimately disposing of 1.275 billion acres. However, from the earliest times, Congress also provided for reserving lands for federal purposes, and over time has reserved or withdrawn areas for such entities as national parks, national forests, and wildlife refuges.
            The Taylor Grazing Act of 1934 was enacted to remedy the deterioration of the range on the remaining public lands. This was the first direct authority for federal management of these lands, and implicitly began the shift toward ending disposals and retaining lands in federal ownership. In 1976, Congress formally declared that national policy was generally to retain the remaining lands in federal ownership in the Federal Land Policy and Management Act.
            The “Sagebrush Rebellion” was a collection of unsuccessful state and local efforts, beginning in 1978, to assert title to federal lands or force their divestiture. It also included efforts by the Reagan Administration and in Congress to divest of many federal lands, which also proved unsuccessful. Cite: Federal Land Ownership: Constitutional Authority and the History of Acquisition, Disposal, and Retention

  • shinynewtoken

    So now we can all discount everything about what happened here because he’s a racist.

    What a silly game…

    • High Plains Drifter

      Not only is he toast for having made comments that provided the left the open door to call him a racisss but those who supported him will also be tarred and feathered with the same racisss brush.

      • Tanks-a-lot

        At least we can see who the cowards are now.
        Rand Paul is at the top of the coward list.

        • High Plains Drifter

          Yes, I don’t like him anyway. Too much like his daddy.

          • Nick

            Rand has every reasons to distance himself from a racist, given the dirty politics employed by the left, he’ll never make headway with Bundy’s shadow looming over him like a plague!

            • Tanks-a-lot

              Do you really think that the MSM won’t just lie about any possible “correct” leaning candidate?

              • Nick

                And Rand shouldn’t give them ammunition by hanging out with a racist! Bundy is a disappointment, thank God I distanced myself from him when I did.

                • Beldar

                  What did Bundy say that was racist?

                • Nick

                  Calling blacks negros, and saying they were better off under slavery!

                • High Plains Drifter

                  open to debate

                • Nick

                  disgusting! I am ashamed to share a party with such racist folk!

                • Beldar

                  Al Sharpton said it was okay to use the word “Negro”

                • High Plains Drifter

                  Since when is the word negro a racist term?

                • Nick

                  Oh ok go on calling blacks negros then, see how warmly you’re recieved.

                • Antiobamunist

                  He didn’t say they were better under Slavery. He compared how they currently are under the thumb of Liberalism to life under Slavery.
                  You are right though, the Propagandists will run with this diversion until they can’t get any more out of it.

                • Tanks-a-lot

                  Oh well
                  Natural Law tells me that if the welfare spigot were to be shut off those blacks would not be able to survive very long because they don’t know how to be self-sufficient

                  Just think EMP and wonder who will survive.

                • Nick

                  Another racist statement.

                • Tanks-a-lot

                  nah
                  Just reality smacking you across the face.

                  I hope you don’t live near a Democrat vote plantation should there be an extended power outage.

                • High Plains Drifter

                  You have learned a lot from Al and Jesse. You seem to have a good supply of race cards to pull out of your pocket.

                • Nick

                  No, you’re making racists comments.

                • Andrew Dyson

                  he is right.

                • Tollthis

                  Troll2

      • Richard the Lion-Hearted

        You got a leak there buddy?

  • TeaPartyPatriotTD

    And so the left, when they have lost the argument on the facts, pulls out the trick of projecting their own racism on their target, in an effort to marginalize the threat to their point of view

    • thewarnextdoor

      The left didn’t lose the argument on the facts. Bundy does not have the facts on his side. And now he has lost his sheen.

      • Andrew Dyson

        He has a valid point, but you will never hear it now that the race card has been played.

      • High Plains Drifter

        Cite me ONE example of where your beloved big government sent federal troops (in large numbers) to collect a debt.

      • Richard the Lion-Hearted

        Say it again, maybe you’ll believe it.

      • Antiobamunist

        “Sheen”? Sounds as Racist as the L.A. Times (Black) Writer that called Obama “the magic Negro”.
        Oh yeah, Joe Biden famously said Obama was “Clean and Articulate” while Harry the Crypt Keeper Reid said Obama was such a talent because he could change his voice to talk to the Blacks.
        Remember Hillary in the Black Church talking with her Black accent, “we ain’t no ways tired”.
        BTW – Is Bundy an Elected Official or just an American Citizen being targeted by an oppressive Government? I guess he isn’t entitled to an “opinion” since we are no longer a Free Country.

  • TroyGale

    You know, the rugged individualists are few and far between today, that is because most subscribe to the group think philosophy. I served in the military so that Mr. Bundy would have the right to speak his mind without fear of retribution. Many of you ought to remember that, he can say what he likes about any subject, and that is his right under our Government. I was willing to die for that right, and your right to say what you will about Bundy. If you find it offensive, well I’m certain you hold beliefs which he would find offensive, get over it, we are Americans, and when you deny someone’s right to free speech, you only make it easier for others to deny your right of free speech. Bundy, reprehensible, perhaps, but that is his right. You don’t have to agree nor like what he says, but it is his right!

    • 02144pomroy

      The Fascists in power want to control all speech.

    • chankermechanicFMF2nd

      They only care about rights as long as it’s our right to defend their right to throw our lives to the wind for them.

    • AmericanDuckie

      Thank you for your Service. And well said.

  • Beldar

    Congressional records show that Democrats were opposed to passing the following laws that were introduced by Republicans to achieve civil rights for African Americans:

    Civil Rights Act 1866
    Reconstruction Act of 1867
    Freedman Bureau Extension Act of 1866
    Enforcement Act of 1870
    Force Act of 1871
    Ku Klux Klan Act of 1871
    Civil Rights Act of 1875
    Civil Rights Act of 1957
    Civil Rights Act of 1960

    And during the 60’s many Democrats fought hard to defeat the

    1964 Civil Rights Act
    1965 Voting Rights Acts
    1972 Equal Employment Opportunity Act

    • Patriot

      Stop it… You are scaring and confusing the Liberals with your facts.

    • Richard the Lion-Hearted

      C’mon facts don’t matter to these trolls…lol.
      Their kind wrote most of the revisionist history that’s been taught.

    • 02144pomroy

      Al Gore’s father and Bill Clinton’s mentor, J. William Fullbright, both opposed the Civil Rights Acts. Sen. Robert Byrd was a former Klansman. But that’s OK. All three were Democrats.

    • barracuda43

      Come on Jason you know the trolls only get their information from so called Reverends Wright & Sharpton. This information will totally confuse them.

  • Patriot

    Gee, until the PC crowd showed up, “Negro” was an acceptable term. I guess it is just as bad as the “Hymie”, “Cracker” and “Jew boy” terms used by the poverty pimps Sharpton and Jackson that no one on the left seems to mind.

    • Andrew Dyson

      According to them only people with one skin color can be racist.

  • 1vote

    If a man is gonna get branded for “wondering”, well, does that mean the thought police are out in force?

    • Andrew Dyson

      They have been for quite a while. They recently attacked a supreme court justice for opposing a law that gave one race an advantage in hiring simply because of the color of his skin.

  • Nick

    Bundy just shutup you’re just making things worse!

  • Don

    What does the situation at his ranch have to do with racism? Not a damn thing. Like anyone else this rancher is entitled to his opinion.

    The problem here is all about how the Federal govt. reacted to collecting a debt. Americans will not stand for a govt. using militaristic personnel, tactics, equipment and directly threatening its citzens with guns who are NO threat. Period

  • Sam Thomas

    The word “racist” has for a long time been the single most effective fear-word in the Bolshevik leftist and Kosher neoconservative arsenal. For decades, they have successfully used it in the political arena to slander traditionalists, shut down debate, and leave opponents running for cover. In the social arena, they have caused even more damage by using it to brainwash impressionable children and young college students, and to teach people to hate their nation, their cultural traditions, and worst of all, themselves. The word was invented by none other than one of the principal architects of the 74-year Soviet nightmare, the founder and first leader of the infamous Red Army, Leon Trotsky aka Lev Bronstein.

    • Your knowledge of reality is an honorable asset. Most slave owners took excellent care of their property and many people today are simply not capable of living a healthy life without supervision. They NEED overseers, even of their own race, to give them productive work and daily scheduling, orders, and work to do to earn their keep and make a profit for the whole organization so the elderly and sick can always be cared for properly.
      This is life and not every one born into this 3D world is the stuff of an astronaut or science visionary.

      Some incarnate here to learn humility and service.
      Let them do it.

      `

    • Gary

      That IS ONE RACIST, idiotic, stupid beyond belief post!
      Come on down to Compton and explain this to all the dumb black folks!
      I’ll be waiting for you!

      • Good idea. You go wait. You’re done here, Mr. Race man.

  • discordian

    Does Bundy think white people on welfare would also be better off as slaves?

    • Andrew Dyson

      It applies to all races.

      • discordian

        You really think someone who receives Social Security or Medicaid would be better off as the private property of another person?

        • Andrew Dyson

          Sometimes I wonder.

          • discordian

            Maybe as a joke or something. But as a serious idea it seems pretty out of touch with reality.

            Slave owners whipped their slaves and often raped the women. They had no chance at basic freedom or human rights.

            However much you might object to someone receiving a check from the government, I don’t see how you can compare those two things.

            • A direct comparison is repugnant. But we’re not talking about comparing geometric shapes here. These are both complex systems that happen to share many similarities.

              Just because the differences are radical, doesn’t mean the similarities are not a major problem.

              After all, the USSR and China are not officially or even under their own laws “slave states” but somehow the atrocities under them managed to be worse than any atrocities that happened here.

              And they are obviously role models for barack and those who support what he’s doing.

      • Because everyone knows all races picked cotton in the pre-civil war south.

        • You think only “negroes” picked cotton?

          • Conservator1

            I think Regor is speaking about Showboat

            Paul Robeson – Ol’ Man River (Showboat – 1936) J.Kern O. Hammerstein II

            • Heh. History is one tiny little cartoon to leftists. Something like Showboat (for all it’s simplicity as a musical) would be difficult for them to understand.

              Man, Robeson could sing. I had to hear the entire thing.

              • Conservator1

                Indeed, they wouldn’t and don’t get simplicity because they’re too busy spending time creating complex theories on the horrors of conservatism.

                BTW, I listen/watch Paul Robeson sing Ole Man River twice. Many people believe he was the best actor and singer to play that role. And you’re right, he had a beautiful and powerful voice.

        • noexcuses

          Of course they did, fool. Most cotton farmers never owned slaves. You think if there wasn’t a slave around they just let the cotton rot in the field?

        • TodaysGuest

          Please tell us you know it wasn’t just black folk picking cotton? I’d hate to believe you were just another garden variety agitator who panders to the least common denominator.

          • noexcuses

            Pssst….he is the least common denominator. Government school educated, no doubt.

        • dwok

          Most whites picked their own cotton. A little history you may not by privy to.

    • He didn’t say black people on welfare were happier, so why would he?

  • Nick

    Reid has just won the war thanks to loudmouth Bundy!

    • TeaPartyPatriotTD

      Reid has his own problems to face. Someday, he won’t be protected by the well of the Senate…

    • barracuda43

      In November Reid will be a dirty mark in the history of the senate. Bye Bye Harry the Thief!

  • TodaysGuest

    What a strange world we live in when the left can wax eloquently using the words: slavery, Civil War, Confederate flags, racism, hillbillys crackas, white hispanics, KKK

    But as soon as a conservative uses the same word, OMG, it is automatic racism.

    • If conservatives had the brains god gave a rabbit they would stop playing into liberals’ hands.

      • TodaysGuest

        Nice to see you put so much thought party brand into your snark.

        • Party, schmarty, it’s true.

      • David Frum has joined the party!

        Hey, are you working on a new speech for Jeb or something?

  • Antiobamunist

    Funny how the Propagandist Press can find this comment from a guy we never heard of a Month ago, but we still no nothing about the Community Disorganizer who sits in the White House after five years.
    Mr. Bundy isn’t a Racist, he is just voicing an opinion on the state of Black America under the rule of Liberals. Racists are predominately Democrat, yet I have no idea if Mr. Bundy is a Democrat, Republican, Libertarian (my guess) or just a plain old Independent.
    How many Black Generations wasted, how many Black Children being slaughtered by Planned Parenthood, an Organization started by the infamous Racist Margaret Sanger whose goal in life was the elimination of the Negro and Jewish Undesirables.
    Come to think of it, I think Hillary just got the Margaret Sanger Award from the P.P. Abortionists. Let’s see, Mr. Bundy never murdered anyone, Black or otherwise. Hillary, Democrat loving Planned Parenthood, millions of murdered Black Babies.

    • barracuda43

      You mean the Liar in Chief Obama who said if they bring a knife we will bring a gun to the fight?

    • Conservative_Utopia

      Nicely put. Prison rates, crime, urban economic depression…

  • zeak14

    For perspective lets look at Reid’s comments about the “negro” in the White House:

    Reid said on NATIONAL TELEVISION that he was impressed by bar-e being ” light-skinned” and having “no Negro dialect unless he wanted to have one.”

    What Reid said is insulting. What Bundy said is insulting. What Pastor Wright, Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson have said is insulting.

    We should all just do what President bar-e said in relation to such offensive comments and that we should not disregard someone total work by a few of his worst comments:

    “It’s as if we took the five dumbest things that I’ve ever said or you’ve ever said in our lives and compressed them and put them out there — I think that people’s reaction would, understandably, be upset.”

  • Well we know the word negro is ok because of the amount of interviews with black leaders in response to Obama picking Biden, arguments like, “negro is not a bad word, we have the negro college fund” when conservatives brought up bidens remarks on Obama being a clean, articulate, negro.
    And we know that democrats have owned the inner city vote plantations for 40 years.

  • Tanks-a-lot

    I think that the neighborhood kids should pay me a fee for the privilege of cutting my grass and spreading fertilizer to help it grow so they can pay me more fees for cutting my grass again.

  • gutty

    this nutjob needs to go away.

    • Lee Purintun

      Go away? He’s sitting on his ranch in the desert trying to get everyone to leave him alone.

      • thewarnextdoor

        While giving press interviews …

        • barracuda43

          Then leave him alone.

      • while he mooches off of tax payer land for free.

        • aaron the dragon slayer

          No. I gave him my permission to be there.

          • TeaPartyPatriotTD

            Me too!

          • You don’t have authority to give him permission.

            • aaron the dragon slayer

              Well if I am the public, then yes I do. Unless its not really public land. And the feds are not allowed to own land except for certain installations per the constitution. Sooooooo.. yeah hes fine, its a big country.

        • TeaPartyPatriotTD

          Another ignorant libtard…

        • meerkatt

          Yes, some of these now federal lands that were forcibly taken by murder of the American Indian by the federal government in the 1800’s, now whom is the real moocher…

          • Buck

            The difference between bundy and the indians is that the indians actually did shoot back. they are the real terrorists. Ask Harry Reid!

        • shp

          And yet, you tards want to grant amnesty to millions of illegals that do the same thing.

        • barracuda43

          Can you point out in the constitution where the federal government has the right to the land. TAKE ALL THE TIME YOU LIKE. I will be waiting

        • Lee Purintun

          I haven’t heard any charges of him not paying taxes, just a Fee…so technically it’s his land as much as it’s yours. It is also important to note that he has been grazing that land legally with a county contract longer than the BLM has existed. In 93′ the BLM introduced a new grazing fee on top of the
          county fees that Bundy had already paid in his contract with the county for
          Gold Butte water, grazing and transportation. The fee came on the coat tails of
          legislation passed to supposedly protect the desert tortoise. Bundy, whose
          family has operated on that property legally since 1882, refused to recognize
          the legitimacy of the Federal authority on State land. Clarke County refused to
          take Bundy’s payment following the case. According to Dick Carver, the Nye
          County (Nevada) Commissioner, “Public lands and minerals are property of
          the State; rights and privileges under Federal laws to be preserved;
          administration of land to conform to Treaties and Compacts.” If this be
          true, then Bundy is well within his rights as he has made concessions with the
          County (a Nevada Institution), and the Federal government has violated not only
          Bundy’s rights, but the State’s rights as well. What stinks about this case is
          the fact that several politicians and the BLM got caught with their pants down.
          On the BLM site it was stated that the Gold Butte area would be re designated
          for “solar purposes”. Solar purposes? Hmm….so cows kill turtles,
          but major construction and solar panels are good for them? It has since been
          pulled from the site. Don’t be too surprised when you also find out that
          several family members of a prominent politician in Nevada were able to get
          their hands on property for pennies on the dollar and sold it to a Chinese
          solar firm for at 300% above value with a hefty U.S. tax payer subsidy…but
          hey, Cliven’s cows are grazing on YOUR property Regor you tool.

      • gutty

        this guy became a media junkie. he loves all this attention

    • speakez6

      You need to get back in your Moms basement, stop abusing her computer.

      • thewarnextdoor

        Oh snap.

      • gutty

        i live in nevada….mind your own fu_ _ _ in busness

  • Funny how conservatives argue that Bundy is entitled to his opinion, but anyone that thinks Bundy is a racist is not entitled to their opinion.

    • TeaPartyPatriotTD

      That misses the point. You have every right to be ignorant. I would die protecting your right to be stupid, but I wouldn’t die to protect you, that’s for sure.

      • Conservative hypocrisy IS the point.

        • abbypatch

          I’m afraid you have that backwards. Every forum I comment on and belong to shows the progressive liberals are the most hypocritical minions. Theygive their opinion and expect everyone else to bow down to their opinion as the only correct word and pounce on any opinion that’s different from theirs.

          The worse part of it is that they are the FIRST to pull the race card, to call someone an idiot, numbskull, jerk, and worse.

          BTW, your posts seem to bear out my comments. 😀

          Have a nice day. I must leave for now.

    • Bill Thrower

      Are you kidding. The lunatic left constantly tries tho shutdown anyone who dares tells the truth about them. But as usual the left gets caught bullying people and their response is not to get to the bottom of it and why the government is so out of control. No the media sets off right away to discredit this guy any way they can. Do useful idiots like you ever stop to wonder how this subject even came up to reporters interviewing this guy? Think for once and quit being led around like a dope.

  • Jeb

    The most important question with respect to
    the Bundy Ranch Standoff remains unanswered. Why does the federal
    government own Nevada?
    The Founders understood that the size of land holding was proportionally
    related to the perceived size of the federal government and they
    intentionally wanted that perception small. The Federal government was
    permitted to have but 10 square miles for a federal capital. The only
    other land that they could acquire had to be for military purposes as
    specified in the common defense clause of the Constitution, Article I,
    Section 8, Clause 17 which reads: “and to exercise like Authority over
    all places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in
    which the same shall be for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals,
    dock Yards, and other needful Buildings.”

    • barracuda43

      Exactly. The government has no right to land in the constitution.

      • Jeb

        I know… States are Sovereign. They have borders and Constitutions. The Feds think they have free reign over the country. They do not as prescribed in the law of the land. The Constitution. And they thumb their nose at the law!

    • LauraR

      My understanding, is Lincoln made a deal with the territories after the civil war. Any territory that became a state, most of the land that was not purchased, was the gov’ts. How he did this, I don’t know, but it goes against our Constitution, therefore is an illegal act to begin with.

      • Jeb

        Any law against the Constitution is invalid. The checks and balances are there to control States and Branches of Govt and the Supreme court should also play a role in controlling government. They all have failed miserably. Now it’s down to just We The People.

        • LauraR

          The question is; what in the hell do we do about it?

  • Vic Chapa

    he is an older gentleman with older views, but he should not let his recent situation to allow him to believe he is now so worldly as to have all the answers. There are many blacks, hispanics, whites who are on welfare, due to recent downsizing of companies because of governmental programs.

    • TeaPartyPatriotTD

      Thanks for pointing out the obvious Vic. I want you to send your payment to Algore for the carbon offsets for the electricity your comment just cost to produce.

  • axethecouncil

    So the guy is not very educated and some of his comments were not quite right. What does that have to do with the BLM land grab?

    • melana1

      Exactly, but now he has changed the subject from the government to race. Quit while your ahead.

  • Bocephus Palin Bundy

    Anyone remember that one time when that Traitor/Communist George Washington attacked all those upstanding milita boys?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whiskey_Rebellion

    • TodaysGuest

      That is an asinine statement even for you.

      • Bocephus Palin Bundy

        Same issue, states rights .vs. federal government. And that Commie George Washington led the army that put the smackdown on the hillbillies.

        Only difference now is, There’s just one cheater (Cliven Bundy) not an entire region of them, and he’s somehow convinced national hillbillies to come to his support. Because. you know…. “DANG GUVMINT !!! GUH GUH GUH… HAND ME THAT BANJO SKEETER!”

      • Sixtus Maximus

        Give that idiot some Toy Tanks and Rainbow Flag! That’s it’s agenda!

  • ArmyJacket

    Even if I concede that his main point is accurate, he did a terrible job of articulating that message and ultimately does more harm to his own specific situation as well as conservatism. You simply can not suggest that any group of people was better off as slaves – even in attempting to make the analogy that they are still slaves in a different way today. That’s not PC – it’s just Debate Class 101 – inflammatory comments cloud the argument and harm your message.

    • SticklerForTruth

      The thing is, Bundy is not a spokesman for the conservative cause. To say so is not accurate. Does the man have racist feelings? I don’t know the man’s heart. His sin is that he may harbor resentment against blacks, but is more likely that he isn’t an eloquent speaker. Regardless, suggesting that he or anyone should be PC would be to suggest they be a progressive.

    • Daemonwulfe

      You can’t make those kind of analogies or use those kind of words unless you’re an Alinskyite.

  • Harry Reid wouldn’t be where he is today without the help of dedicated tea partiers.

    • TodaysGuest

      And Herman Cain might have been President if not for race baiting hypocrites like you.

      • thewarnextdoor

        9-9-9. LOL.

      • Herman Cain was a clown with no serious intent to be president.
        He got more air time on the Colbert Report as a comedian after he dropped out than he did as a “candidate.”
        .
        And that whole 9-9-9 thing. Seriously?

        • TeaPartyPatriotTD

          Regor, do us all a favor and go play…leave the discussion to the adults.

        • TodaysGuest

          And only your opinion of Mr. Cain counts? It is comical to see you avoid the truth of what happened to him.

  • KrustyLovesYou

    Wow, he really blew it. His metaphors were poison. He could have gotten his point across without bringing cotton and slavery into it.

    • Tanks-a-lot

      Bundy is a master troll

      • Sixtus Maximus

        Toy Tanks To You Too!

    • Andrew Apter

      Really. The man committed political suicide faster than any politician could.

      • AmericanDuckie

        He’s a rancher. Not a slick politician.

  • 02144pomroy

    Al “the racist” Sharpton owes the IRS $2.6 Million. Surround his house with 200 snipers and SWAT Teams and put his skinny a$$ in jail. Oh, sorry. Can’t do that…..he’s black.

    • shp

      Al looks like he has HIV/AIDS.

      Poor Al.

      LMAO

      • TeaPartyPatriotTD

        That would be fitting and well-deserved.

    • TeaPartyPatriotTD

      If that race baiting poverty pimp got zapped, I would not lose a wink of sleep.

  • Bob Haze

    The DEMOCRATS and their constituents (the Media wing, the Union Wing, the Minority wing, the Elected Wing, and the Gubmint Employee Wing) will make the most of this “Akin-Like” comment.
    ———————————————————————
    The Republicans should NOT comment on this and play into their hands again. The correct answer is that we all worry about the black plight on the Gubmint Dole – what with crime rates high and graduation rates low after 50 years of handouts. Period.

    • TeaPartyPatriotTD

      No chance I sit back like a RINO and allow these maggots on the left to just comment away like EFFing retards. Bundy is right. The government and Harry the Terrorist Traitor are wrong, period.

  • Citizen Joe

    “None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.” – Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

  • Hildabeast-Weiner2016

    The DNC and Planned Parenthood = the NEW and “IMPROVED” K K K

    • Sixtus Maximus

      Gestopo!

  • Male Man

    If you spend your entire life taking, cashing welfare checks and spending the money for all you eat, pay your rent, free healthcare, free phone, free everything and you make no attempt to get out in the world and work you are a SLAVE. White slave, black, whatever…..You are a slave to the government. I pay taxes and I resent you maggots who do this…..I would rather see you crawling in the streets begging for food….maybe that way you would get up and do something to help yourself…..Bundy was not great at PC…but he is mostly correct…..

    • thewarnextdoor

      Bundy is mooching off the federal government’s land. Other farmers, lots of them, are being paid subsidies by the government. Most red states receive more in federal taxes then they pay. Should all of these people be on the streets begging for food?

      • Male Man

        You are an idiot….

        • thewarnextdoor

          Interesting retort. Please, tell me more…

          • Male Man

            OK….Your are an idiot twice….that better….?

            • thewarnextdoor

              Welfare for blacks = bad. Welfare for whites = good. Is that what you are saying?

              • abbypatch

                Do you need a course in remedial reading or did you just pick out certain words in the original post? That must be it. Read the original post again word-for-word and then take a day or two for it sink in your brain before commenting again. You might then understand what was stated.

              • Daemonwulfe

                Artful misdirection of the conversation. He didn’t even come close to implying what you just stated.

            • Twice as intelligent as your first post.
              But twice nothing is still nothing.

      • Dayne o

        and Illinois is a red state? Michigan, California red? Wow!! But I also thought these states were broke…silly me.

  • BillWallace

    American blacks are indeed on the Hand-Out Plantation. And Progressives are happy to let them rot there if it means a reliable voting block for them. Sign ’em up! Sign ’em all up!

    • Beldar

      Margaret Sanger’s plan is working very well.

      • Jason

        no it isn’t…she wanted to end the breeding of those she deemed unworthy or lazy or stupid.

        • Beldar

          Thanks for correcting me.
          Between 2007 and 2010, nearly 36 percent of all abortions in the U.S. were performed on black children, even though blacks make up only 12.8
          percent of the population. Another 21 percent of abortions were performed on Hispanics, and an additional seven percent on other minority races.

  • RDPaul

    Bundy is not saying that they should be slave or that slavery is good… he is saying that government dependence is worse. As the son of an immigrant from the former Warsawa Pact I know that my parents thought penniless freedom (they were allowed to bring $10US) was better than government dependence.

    Granted the way that he said it and the false narrative that it plays into makes the entire statement down right dumb.

    • Nice try, but you need to scrub harder to wash this-shit-off.

      • abbypatch

        No, I believe people should learn how to understand speech and the written word a little better. Not every spoken word is racism unless you’re Al Sharpless, Eric Holder, Obama, etc. (when at Al Sharpless’ NAN conference) and all those who faithfully follow the 3 just mentioned..

  • aaron the dragon slayer

    Weakest attack on character by the left. They tried this with Ron Paul too. When logic fail, pull the race card. Typical. Libs and the lmainstream media

    • Too bad all of this crap came out of Bundy’s own mouth.

    • James Madison

      Pretty sure it’s wasn’t the liberals who pulled a race card.

  • Alex Durden

    Vast generalizations about an entire ethnicity, whereby differences are attributed only to that ethnicity is exactly what racism is. I don’t see how he’s vindicated in any way here.

    • HoYeeFuk

      The solution to pollution is not dilution.. why did Shirley not win the nomination??? Was she too ethnic? Hmmmmm….Mm’kay

  • HoYeeFuk

    What is knee-grow?

  • Jason

    LBJ famously said that he would have those n i g g e r s voting democrat for the next 200 years. This was the purpose of the “Great Society” legislation. With that in mind, how is Mr. Bundy a racist?

    • landaddy001

      So are you saying that racist statements and actions by LBJ somehow excuse Mr. Bundy statements?

      • Jason

        it appears to be a case of selective outrage…wouldn’t you agree?

        • landaddy001

          I will agree that liberals excuse a lot of racist statements coming out of the mouths of fellow liberals. MSNBC’s Melissa Harris-Perry and her guest discussion of Romney’s grandchild for example. I don’t excuse any racist statement regardless of the ethnicity being attacked, to do so would mean that I am as bad as the ones making the statement.

  • shp

    Tard’ Philosophy

    Millions of illegals moochin”: good, make them legal, change the laws now!

    A cattleman’s cattle eating federal grass without paying: Send in the snipers, choppers, take this guy out!

    Only in a tard’s mind

    • thewarnextdoor

      What is a “tard” and why can’t you express yourself more eloquently?

      • shp

        As anyone who has ever taught knows, you have to adapt your communication style to your audience.

        And in this case, it’s quite evident that the tards are swarming.

        So, you have to result to basic communication to get your point across.

        And if you don’t know what a tard is, you’re probably safe.

        • thewarnextdoor

          Ah, so you are trying to make sure that the dumb conservatives on this site can understand what you are saying. Got it. Major dittos.

          • shp

            LMAO

            Apparently you haven’t figured out why you’re the ones who are called tards.

      • TodaysGuest

        You are no position to lecture another in eloquence.

  • dcizscumm

    Newsflash we are all slaves of the CROWN OF ENGLAND WHO OWNS THE IRS!!!!!

  • Nick

    Bundy is clearly a racist. Calling blacks negros and saying the reason their young men are in jail, is because they never learned how to pick cotton. What a disgusting little man!

    • shp

      You’re right.

      Because it’s not just cotton that they didn’t learn about.

      It’s just about anything that has to do with success.

      So, shame on him!

      • Nick

        Are you serious! You are defending this man’s racists comments! Have you no shame? Is it no wonder Dems call us racists with comments like yours.

        • shp

          You didn’t happen to grow up a block from the projects in Jersey in the 60’s, did you?

          So, come on back when we share the same life experiences and maybe we could have an intelligent conversation about racism.

          • truthsayer

            Amen

          • Nick

            SCREW you and other idiots like you who are destroying GOP with your idiocy! You’re supporting wrong party, please go away and take your racism with you!

            • shp

              LMAO

              I’ve been an Independent since before you were born.

              So, get up off your knees and stop making excuses for bad behavior and take a look around.

              • Nick

                Oh remain an independent then, GOP can do without idiots.

  • Clipper

    Conservatives distance themselves from other conservatives who make “racist” comments. However, when liberals make racist comments, the liberals circle the wagons and defend it militantly.

    Examples? Joe Biden, in 2006, told an Indian-American supporter that “you cannot go to a 7-Eleven or a Dunkin’ Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent. I’m not joking.” He also said that Barack Obama was the “first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy.” Now he’s vice president.

    Hillary Clinton introduced a quote from Gandhi by saying, “He ran a gas station down in St. Louis.”

    Rev. Jesse Jackson referred to Jews as “Hymies” and to New York City as “Hymietown” in January 1984.

    The Democrat party is also famous for covering up or defending anti-black and racist violence in their history–slavery, the Confederacy, the KKK, lynching, Jim Crow, etc. etc. etc., and more recently–the lynching of a NY police officer Phillip W. Cardillo in a Mosque. They also defend brutally racist black criminals like Willie Horton and the gang involved in the 1989 attack on a NY Central Park jogger.

    • Keep trying.

    • Reginald Winthorp

      Let’s not forget President L.B.J…

      “I’ll have them n1gg3rs voting Democratic for the next two hundred years”

  • Democrats can count on the party of guns to shoot themselves in the foot on a regular basis all the way up to the November elections.
    They just can’t help themselves.

    • nwwapiti

      Keep telling yourself that if it helps you sleep at night, this administration will keep Lib/Prog/Comm from having a majority in any branch of gov’t for the next fifty years.

      • PoliticalThorn

        I’ll just say that I hope you have another 50 years to live so you can contemplate what I envision the magnitude of the inaccuracy of your comment to be; as any argument is moot at this point, but I’m sure you’ll notice election results over the next 50 years.

        2016 may give a sign, as historically the out of power party should take The White House in 2016. If the Republicans lose it once again it will basically indicate that there’s been a generation shift in things, and so far, the Right seems to be either unable or unwilling to adapt to the 21st century.

  • Sixtus Maximus

    Nothing wrong with the question. We know the left keeps minorities on Welfare! That’s not a secret. But those who are against the Bundy’s rights who have demonized Cliven which has not worked are out now demonizing him as a white racist is totally laughable and real need mental hospitalization to protect them from themselves and for the safety of the General Public!

  • eric

    This all of a sudden is about race, I don’t think so, Our Government killed and destroyed property brought in armed thugs, FOR A TAX BILL. Could have been you, when the IRS makes a mistake, hope its not

    • Yes, it is all of a sudden about race, because Bundy is an idiot who made it about race.
      Kind of like the whole birther thing.

      • eric

        But that’s not the forest through the trees, he can be a bigot, that’s not my fight, I care about a over aggressive goverment

      • TodaysGuest

        “If you had an argument to make, and the language skills to make it, you would.
        But you don’t,”

        ringing any bells for you, yet?

        • eric

          I guess I don’t have the typing skills to argue a point on this subject, but I know I own 30 acers and raise horses and make pretty good money were all my property is paid for. So a land owner I have a dog in this fight unlike a lot of people that have never had to worry about property lines

          • Then you should stick to what you are good at.

        • Yep.
          Is there a point you want to make?

          • TodaysGuest

            It appears the comment went right over your pointed head.

            • My argument was quite clear and succint.
              The argument changed from land to race when Bundy changed the political focus. It is his own fault.
              As for the birther argument, it is a reference to conservatives trying to change the argument to race while pretending they are not racist.
              What don’t you understand?

  • jumper297

    This worked out well for the federal government…. now we’re only talking about what a backwards bigot this guy is even though that doesn’t change the facts of the events leading up to this bizarrely misplaced rant about black families (yes, I’m putting it nicely.)

    • That’s politics for you.
      Kind of like changing the subject to where Obama was born.

      • TodaysGuest

        When the worn out race card isn’t being accepted, just flop down the old birfer card and hold your breath strategy. How original.

  • commiebasher

    NOTHING Mr Bundy said was ” racist”

    he just is older and has the “old school” way of expressing himself and some yuppie trendies can’t handle honesty on that level.

    Everything Bundy said was true, and I’m sure the enemy Leftists will jump all over this to push THEIR sick political agenda.

    Don’t fall for it.

    Bundy is a good, honest man.

    Blacks are on the Democrat plantation…. Duh.

    Do Blacks and Latinos NOT commit 95% of urban crime???

  • Nixon

    I don’t see what part they find offensive. When I was a little younger everyone said the word “Negro”. TV, radio, newspapers, negro negro negro. Now its racist? The rest of his comments may have been a little abrasive but true. And the truth can hurt. Whiteys are called crackers, Irish are drunks, Polacks are dumb, I have heard it all and nobody is offended. I’ve been called DUROGATORY names because of my ethnic background, the brunt of crude jokes but I’ m not going to be a big baby and whine and cry about it. Grow up you race baitin’ haters and Negros.

    • Bobby Jo

      who cares what a piece of white trash like you think? isn’t it date night with your sister

      • Male Man

        I care what he thinks….so bite me loser….

      • JonInVa

        Says somebody with a name right out of Beverly Hillbillies.

        • Bobby Jo

          say’s the real hillbilly in VA. I love it

      • Nixon

        Thank you for your reply. Ok, call me names if it makes you feel more grown up. By the way, I am not “white” at all. I am a Native American or as you would say, injun. You are very offensive to my race.

        • Bobby Jo

          yeah, okay, whatever you say.

          • Nixon

            Thank you. See initial post then. I could go on and on but you are not a logical thinking person and I believe you are white and racist.

    • MadMoto

      Words are words. They are only offensive to those that choose them to be so. I think focusing on the word, distracts from the true meaning of his statement. Don’t lose it focusing on the tree. In motorcycling we call it target fixing.

  • mr.Truth

    It’s hardly “racist” to point out the very Real and very Obvious Truth about the dire situation that Black America is in. Everyone with eyes can see it or read it .

    • landaddy001

      It is a racist statement because not all black Americans live the way Mr. Bundy states “Negros” live.

      • Male Man

        Enough do that is a national disgrace….just drive into just about any community and look out your car window….sitting on the porch waiting for a handout….and they are not concerned….millions in jail….millions mooching from cradle to grave…..I see a problem here and so do you and everyone else…it is time to stop the lies and call the black culture in America a failure….Government money is ruining their lives and they do not care…in fact they bite the hand that feeds them….it is 100% ?….No, but it far far too many….

  • mr.Truth

    You want racism 🙂 … the last 1000 knockout games were perpetrated on Whites by Blacks.

  • $36055288

    I wonder if Bundy watched this video and formed his opinions. http://www.conservativeoutfitters.com/blogs/news/12601993-video-just-another-day-in-america

  • The more Republicans try to hide their racism the more racist they look.

    • BillWallace

      Some leftists don’t try to hide their ignorance, at all.

    • TodaysGuest

      The more Liberals pretend to excuse their racism the more their true racism is exposed.

      • Oh come on.
        You can do better than that.

        • TodaysGuest

          Finger wagging from the Do As I Say And Not As I Do clown again. What a surprise

          • If plagiarism is your style, go for it.

    • FaithColeridge33

      Regor has a lot of time on his hands. LOL

    • Ouchmytoe

      Nice generalization. However, I assume that all democrats aren’t ignorant, just you.

    • The Truth Hurts

      Plenty of racists on the left and the right. Problem is, leftists never try to hide it.

  • Son of Liberty

    Only a communist despot would intentionally mislead their blistering idiot supporters to believe that was in any way, racist.

    IT IS THE TRUTH!

    They are NO LESS SLAVES to the Democrat party than they were to southern plantation owners – and their family units are a fucking disaster now compared to then.

    “THE TRUTH HURTS, BUT THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE”

    • Ouchmytoe

      Dude, shut up. His beef with the Feds is just, and he’s a racist bastard. They’re not mutually exclusive.

      • Son of Liberty

        I hope someone shoots you in your face for trying to mislead other idiots like yourself.

        • Ouchmytoe

          Wow. That escalated quickly.
          Look, I support Cliven in his fight against the Feds. I want to see Obama, Holder, and the rest of those a$$ clowns impeached/jailed. But hey, Cliven is what he is. And at times, I am indeed an idiot…just ask my wife and kids!

      • ProjectThor

        Uhh… he’s just an old dude using old school language. Get real.

  • CAV

    Does not matter what color a person is. If they are raised to believe money is god and the only way out of misery is money they are lost. Money and women, that is all that is taught these days if you have these two you are a success if you do not others will and you are taught to be jealous.

    If you live your life wondering and condemning the haves and feeling sorry for yourself (a have not) you will never get off of the porch. Ignorance knows no color and it is spread by the Dems without morality.

    A man gets up and does his job. He does not care if the gangsters make more have the cars and the women. Those are not the women a man wants to be with.

    Women if you go after the flashy bright pretty things you are part of the problem. Morality and honor are lost in this country. the evil is spreading like a plague. Who cares what this guys opinion is. Being PC is not a law no matter how much the liberals try and make it a law and it still does not address the issue of government overreach.

    Liberals grow up!

    • Mr. Rational

      Riiiiiight….cause it was a bunch of liberals that put “Let me tell you what I know about the Negro” in his mouth….he didn’t even say, “negros”, he said, “the Negro”, like they are some unknown species…

      • Kara

        “Obama is Electable Because he is Light Skinned with no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one.”

        Senator Harry Reid

        • Mr. Rational

          And? That was back in 2008., and the Right went after him for it….and he apologized, which is something that Bundy has no intention of doing….so, not sure what your point is…..and, last time I checked, Reid didn’t say him and his family would be better off if they were picking cotton…

          • Kara

            “I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that’s a storybook, man.” — Joe Biden

            • Mr. Rational

              Right….cause, again, that’s the same as saying they should go back to picking cotton, since he knows all about “The Negro”

              • Kara

                “I love this quote. It’s from Mahatma Gandhi. He ran a gas station down in St. Louis for a couple of years. Mr. Gandhi, do you still go to the gas station? A lot of wisdom comes out of that gas
                station” – Hillary Clinton

                • Mr. Rational

                  “Our republican system was meant for a homogeneous people. As long as
                  blacks continue to live with the whites they constitute a threat to the
                  national life. Family life may also collapse and the increase of mixed
                  breed bastards may some day challenge the supremacy of the white man.”—Abraham Lincoln

                • Kara

                  “These Negroes, they’re getting pretty uppity these days and that’s a problem for us since they’ve got something now they never had before, the political pull to back up their uppityness. Now we’ve got to do something about this, we’ve got to give them a little something, just enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference.”—LBJ

                • Mr. Rational

                  Kara, what is your damn point? We can go back and forth with people that have said less than flattering things, but I still haven’t see any of the comments come close to “they’d be better off as slaves”, and “they’re families suffer because they never learned how to pick cotton”…..trying to justify what this guy said is beneath you, I hope…

                • Kara

                  “I’ll have those ni**ers voting Democratic for the next 200 years.” —Lyndon B. Johnson

                • Mr. Rational

                  Too bad he never actually said that….what he said was, “We’ve lost the South for a generation”…..but, you rightwing nuts love to paint the guy that actually signed the Civil Rights Act like a racist….and someone you also paint MLK as a Republican, even though his family has repeatedly said he wasn’t…

                • Mr. Rational

                  Even beyond the fact that he probably never even said that, since it was never confirmed, but a classic case of hear-say, look at what it represented, in context…..it meant he was the one (a Democrat), that actually gave them their own civil rights…what are you bragging about? That a Democrat was able to win over an entire race only by giving them equal right? Well, congratulations, that still makes Republicans the bigots that refused to do it…

                • Kara

                  “Lyndon Johnson was a civil rights hero. But also a racist.”

                  http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/lyndon-johnson-civil-rights-racism

                • Kara

                  Sorry to inform you, but It is a well know fact that the Republicans overwhelmingly supported the civil right bill. It was Southern Democrats that opposed it.

                  The most fervent opposition came from Senator Strom Thurmond (D-SC) and Senator Robert Byrd (D-W.Va.) both racists to the core.

                • Mr. Rational

                  It was the South as a whole that opposed it, not just Democrats. Look at the vote, I think there was 1 total vote from either party in support. I love how Republicans try to take credit for it, even though it was JFK that brought it to the Congress, LBJ pushed it through, and it was a Democrat majority that finally passed it….its the sole reason the South is Republican now, because the Democrats passed Civil Rights….

                • Kara

                  There was only 1 Republican Senator in the South at the time that opposed it. So, you are calling southern Republicans all racists now? Or all Republicans? You people make me sick.

                • Mr. Rational

                  For that vote, there were only 11 total Southern Congressmen….all 11 voted against it…..it wasn’t Southern Republicans necessarily racist, it was the entire South….that’s my point

                • Kara
      • CAV

        Like I said being PC is not a law and it looks like, surprise surprise, the NYT took the comments out of context in order to achieve an agenda. What is the mantra of a liberal? “All means possible, means all means possible”

  • Mr. Rational

    It amazes me that people on this thread are actually justifying what he said. The guy is a racist, period.

    Funny that he has a problem with blacks in housing projects getting a subsidy, yet the only reason he is in the news is because he was illegally feeding his million dollar cattle herd on the government dime…..I guess its only a problem if its a black person, or someone in a housing project receives a handout…

    • shp

      Hell, we have a pair of racists living in the White House, so I really don’t see what the big deal is with Bundy out in the middle of the desert.

      • Mr. Rational

        Really? Do you mind possibly giving me a couple of examples, since that is about the most ridiculous thing I’ve heard all day…

        • The Truth Hurts

          What part was ridiculous? The part about the two racists in the White House? Well they are, and so is Holder and Sotomayor.

          • Nick

            Prove POTUS and first lady are a bunch of racists like Bundy please!

            • The Truth Hurts

              Lets start with Reverend Wright. Then the nominations of the admitted racists Holder and Sotomayor. Let me know if you need more.

              • Nick

                So is Rand a racist for supporting a racist? Now, even if POTUS is a racist doesn’t excuse Bundy of his own racism?

                • The Truth Hurts

                  Rand is not supporting Bundy out of reasons of racism. I believe the issue is the overhanded nature of the feds sending out swat teams to collect a bill.
                  Correct, POTUS racism doesn’t excuse anyone else’s.

            • ProjectThor

              Too late troll…

            • BlueMax372

              Have you read Moochie’s senior thesis? Have you read either of the two books written for the clown in chief?

        • shp

          You can’t be that dumb.

          Rural America, clinging to guns and religion. You think that was about minorities?

          Trayvon Martin. Really? But nary a word if a white kid gets killed by AA’s? And he’s half white, so you don’t think he could have a white kid?

          “The police acted stupidly.” If it wasn’t a white cop, do you think he would have said that?

          Yeah, you are that dumb.

          • Nick

            There was no ostensible racism in the president’s support of Trayvon. He didn’t belittle other races, he simply defended a child. Bundy on the other hand put down an entire race of people.

            • shp

              Hey, Jessie, how you doing?

              Strange how no one sees him reaching out to whites killed by blacks.

              So, what’s that silence tell you?

              And that kid wasn’t a child.

              Try again..

            • BlueMax372

              THUG child.

          • ProjectThor

            Don’t forget Holders comment that “There is no such thing as Black on White racism…”

        • Johnnie Flukie Redding

          Jew Janitor, that ring any bells?

          • Mr. Rational

            Did he say all Jews were janitors? Not quite even close to the same thing, dude….

    • Nick

      BINGO! This thread has brought out the racists!

      • TodaysGuest

        That explains why you are here for sure.

        • Nick

          I am here to set you straight!

      • BlueMax372

        And it seems they’re all of the “liberal” persuasion.

        • Nick

          Let’s hope so, because I can’t imagine conservatives being racists! So all those defending Bundy’s racist comments must be libs.

          • BlueMax372

            Is that Jessie the Twister?

    • AmericanDuckie

      He didn’t advocate violence against blacks, nor did he infer that blacks are inferior- which is what racists do.
      He’s prejudiced in his words yes, but looking at a whole lot of the comments here, so are a lot of folks.

      • Nick

        He called blacks negros, and said the reason their young men are in prison is because they never learned how to pick cotton, implying that young black men would be better off picking cotton. Could he have been more racist than these?

        • AmericanDuckie

          He called blacks negroes and compared the state of the government system now to slavery. He implied that their young men would be better off working instead of having nothing to do, which makes for idleness and trouble.
          He’s not the first- and many blacks have said the same.
          His choice of words were not the best, but again, he’s not the first to say something without thinking. It happens- doesn’t make him a flaming racist like so many people are trying to paint him as.

          • Nick

            His choice of words were unapologetically racist, and so was his cotton-picking reference!

            • AmericanDuckie

              Whatever. If he’s a racist, so is everyone else who has said much the same in the past, including folks like Bill Cosby, Allen West, Mychal Massie and others.

      • Mr. Rational

        No, he’s a bigot…..if he had said that poor people would be better off as slaves than on government assistance, that would be a predjudiced statement….You can’t start a speech with, “let me tell you what I know about THE NEGRO” and be considered anything but a racist bigot, sorry…

        • Nick

          Exactly, it’s like a black guy saying let me tell you what I know about the Cracker! Equally racist!

          • ProjectThor

            Get a life… what are the three races?

        • AmericanDuckie

          Interesting that so many have a lot to say about a rancher using the word “Negro” but never consider politicians who use it and the word “articulate” in the same sentence.

        • ProjectThor

          What are the three races? Please, inform us…

    • JonInVa

      For somebody named “Mr. Rational”, you are clearly not able to comprehend context. Bundy did not have a problem with blacks in housing projects – he is questioning whether w