By The Right Scoop


If I’m hearing what I think I’m hearing, it sounds like Obama is going to concede raising taxes on the rich to ensure that taxes on everyone doesn’t go up. He says that he still wants increased taxes on the rich, but if he can’t get that he’ll take a basic package:

“BUT if an agreement isn’t reached in time between Senator Reid and Senator McConnell, then I will urge Senator Reid to bring to the floor a basic package for an up or down vote, one that protects the Middle Class from an income tax hike, extends the vital lifeline of unemployment insurance to the 2 million Americans looking for a job, and lays the groundwork for future cooperation on more economic growth and deficit reduction.”

I admit I have no idea what he means by “and lays the groundwork for future cooperation on more economic growth and deficit reduction”. But it doesn’t sound like raising taxes on those making $250k. He’s basically saying he wants to keep Middle Class taxes from increasing and unemployment insurance for 2 million Americans, but that’s it. Sounds like he’s really saying he’s willing to extend the current tax rates for another year or so, to fight the 250k battle another day.

Watch:

UPDATE: Just to clarify, I know that Obama wants his original deal or something akin to it that includes raising taxes on the rich. But he says clearly “BUT if an agreement isn’t reached in time between Senator Reid and Senator McConnell…” which means to me that the best deal that can be worked out here is a deal that doesn’t raise taxes on anyone. So if I’m McConnell, I stand firm on no tax increases and get the basic deal which leaves all of them in place and accepts unemployment spending.

The debt ceiling is coming up next where they will fight again and hopefully with a new Speaker.

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  • Philo Beddoe

    You have to pass the bill before you know what’s in it.

    • Sober_Thinking

      Brilliant!

    • http://twitter.com/BobMacchia1 Bob Macchia

      Phil are you related to Pelosi?

  • Kordane

    I don’t see why the middle class should be protected at all. They’re the greatest beneficiary of entitlements, so therefore they should pay the greatest price. I say tax the middle class to hell. That’s justice… for decades of believing there’s such a thing as a free lunch.

    And who knows, maybe, just maybe, that middle class will realize the error of their ways and then turn against those who promised them that free lunch.

    • snowshooze

      It appears that you are in favor of giving more to the Government to waste as they please.
      Has anyone offered up any cuts yet? No.

      • Kordane

        One thing I’ve noticed is that people are happy to receive a free lunch when given at the expense of others, but they’re less willing to accept it when they have to pay for it themselves.

        There will be no greater revenue for government. The middle class will rebel against the whole thing, rather than suck it up and pay for it all. A popular rebellion against entitlements is precisely what’s needed, because people are all too happy to continue this charade so long as it’s at the expense of others (ie. rich folk)

        • PVG

          Welcome “Refuge One”!

    • RighteousCrow_JustCaws

      Flat tax, so everyone is affected when the rate is raised!

      • Orangeone

        Amen! And set that flat tax at 1% where tax originally started.

      • Arrrggghhh

        Exactly. As long as people can vote themselves other people’s money via a progressive income tax, there will never be peace or economic prosperity in this country. Although I prefer the FairTax (H.R. 25) to a flat tax, either one is light years ahead of the class-warfare system that we have now.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/KYTC7EGQASGOTQYPY2KPC4XCZY Don

      It would be impossible to reason with someone who is so confused with reality that they have chosen to attack the middle class in such an amateurish way. The middle class has paid what has been required to make their Social Security/Retirement available per the system as it was intended to be used by all Americans. Due to actions outside of their control they are to be punished for paying into a system they have paid into for over 40 years. Your lunacy is amusing.

      • Kordane

        Yes, people have been paying into social security, but the government has been spending it all. There is NO lockbox where all the money is kept;there are just a bunch of IOUs to social security. It was put into general government revenue and then blown on making government bigger. So now you’re stuck with paying off the social security obligations.

        Now, the debt has to be paid off regardless, but something can be done to stop it getting larger – All entitlements can be abolished. That goes for social security, medicare/medicaid, income security, and federal pensions.

        The only way to end all entitlements is for the so-called ‘middle class’ to rebel against big government, and the only way for them to do that is for them to REALLY suffer the financial burden of that big government by being forced to pay the greatest price because they receive the greatest benefit from it.

        The so-called ‘middle class’ would never pay those higher taxes to fund entitlements, because they’d rebel against the whole of big government, and politicians would be forced to massively reduce government spending (probably by a factor of 60-70%).

    • saskwach

      Are you f^cking serious??? I’m a beneficiary of entitlements? Care to explain how? Is working 600 hrs of overtime a year for the past 7 years to try to earn a decent living (eeking out $70,000/yr) me accepting entitlements? Is my family of 6, as I was growing up, living off of a single (sub $20,000/yr) and using food stamps on an as needed basis to get by while my dad attended college “sucking on the teet” of the government and you? Do you even know what middle class is? Maybe I don’t. Apparently I don’t. To me…middle class is working my ass off and being very happy in the the result of an honest days pay. But….I’m a parasite.

      • Kordane

        If you’ve received, receive, or are expected to receive any benefit from social security, medicare/medicaid, income security or federal pensions, then you are a beneficiary of entitlements. (And I’ve probably missed out some entitlements there too)

        It goes without saying that there will be those who receive less benefits and those who receive more benefits, but ultimately this is all irrelevant because the so-called ‘middle class’ will rebel against the big government they’re being forced to pay for. That big government only persists so long as the ‘middle class’ believe that it can be paid for at the expense of ‘the rich’. That big government will DIE the moment the ‘middle class’ are forced to actually pay for it.

        • saskwach

          So the answer is to completely deplete the middle class by taxing them until they have nothing? Then there will be no middle class….just the elite rich and the peasants. Then you expect the peasants to rise up….because, after all, it is our fault and we are all one in the same. I don’t get it…
          And I’m not saying you’re wrong but your presentation sucks and reeks of elitism.

          • Kordane

            Your premise is that said ‘middle class’ will tolerate being taxed to hell, and won’t rebel against big government – It is a false premise. You just have it wrong.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_772LRALQH64ZDY624KKBWIBFMU nick

    “”one that protects the Middle Class from an income tax hike””

    Middle class to him means people under 250,000. For those over, the taxes would automatically rise.

    • http://www.therightscoop.com/ The Right Scoop

      But doesn’t say that. If you listen to the speech, he says he wanted tax increases on the rich, BUT…

      You have to pay attention to the ‘but’.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_772LRALQH64ZDY624KKBWIBFMU nick

        As always with Obama, there are two “butts”.

        His first but meant “I want a big package that GROWS THE ECONOMY”, “”BUT”” we have to do something now, soooooooo.

        In his second but he basically says that if the Senate can’t reach a larger more comprehensive package with cuts and rate hikes probably around 500,000, then he wants a vote on “HIS” package which is “BASIC” and simply does the unemployment benefit and “protects the middle class” from tax hikes. So the second but is simply if the senate can’t get a bigger deal, then they should vote on my smaller deal. I guarantee you his smaller deal does not “protect the rich” from tax hikes.

        So the second but is………”but” if they can’t make a deal they should atleast vote on my deal. Thats all I think his butt’s meant.

      • BlueGood

        Bang on Scoop, O’Blamo is FULL of BUTS and ANDS…in almost every frickin chin wag….

      • http://twitter.com/trickamsterdam patrick amsterdam

        There’s no way after being offered 800 billion by the Speaker, he’s extending all the cuts for a year. Maybe a month, when the Ds will pick up seats in both Houses.

        He’s term-limited and the most ardent liberals call it a “curb” not a cliff. He doesn’t care about a recession, especially one that can be blamed on the Rs.

        After everyone’s taxes go up on Jan 1 he’ll travel around the country shouting to anyone who will listen “I’ll sign a tax break for the 98% today, if the Republicans will get it to my desk today!”

        It’ll take him maybe a week, maybe two, to break the House Republicans. They’ll give him the top 2%, and no spending cuts. The Rs don’t want the cuts either, esp the military ones.

        Obama looks like the defender of the Middle Class, Rs look incompetent (well, they look like what they are). Sorry if that’s too much of a reality check, but that’s just the way I think things are going to play out. Happy NewYear.

  • Orangeone

    Extending unemployment benefits AGAIN! The employers pay this, not the employees. My business is assessed at the federal and state level even though I have ZERO employees. This on top of the ObamaCare taxes will be just another reason for businesses to layoff in January.

    • Rshill7

      What are you talking about? What type business structure are you? Sole Proprietor, Partnership, LLC, or Standard Corporation (.inc)?

      • Orangeone

        Rshill7 my biz is LLC taxes as an S Corporation.

        • Rshill7

          Why would you have to pay unemployment for anyone other than yourself?

          • Orangeone

            As the owner, I am not entitled to receive unemployment benefits. I’d have to look at the specific language but it’s essentially because I am a business and as a business we are required to make up for the lack of funding from businesses with employees because of excessive demand (both fed and state are running in a deficit). Trust me, it’s just another reason to shut everything down.

            • Rshill7

              We operate as a sole proprietorship married. We have to pay both sides of FICA and SS. Is that what you are talking about?

              • Orangeone

                No.  I also pay both sides of Social Security and Medicare.  I get a separate bill for federal unemployment and state unemployment taxes.

          • objective123

            because federal law requires employers to pay for unemployment insurance. Duh!

            • Rshill7

              Not if you have no employees, duh!

              • Orangeone

                That’s not true. I have no employees.

                • Rshill7

                  I don’t get a separate bill for it in Michigan. It appears to be true to me. Been in business in Michigan since 1998. No employees either.

                • Orangeone

                  I’m not sure about MI.  It might be because MN is so in deficit with its national participation that we are getting assessed more.  I just received notice of a 14% increase at the state level.  I can only imagine what the feds will do.

                • Rshill7

                  If you do not treat yourself as an employee, the only reason to be a sub-chapter S corp. would be for the limited liability. So, you must treat yourself as an employee. Therefore, you would indeed have an employee, one…yourself.

                • Orangeone

                  Not true.  The S Corporation allows for a distribution where an LLC does not. In my case, I wanted the distribution to pull cash out of one business to start another one without paying taxes on that distribution as a wage.  The limited liability comes in the LLC, the S Corp is simply for tax purposes.

                • Rshill7

                  What kind of distribution? A dividend? An S corporation has limited liability too, in that it is a separate entity treated like an individual. Hence, the hue and cry that “corporations are not people”. Sure they are. By law, corporations are treated as separate persons.

                  It sounds to me like you are an “employee” of your own company.

                  Also, I wish you would stop saying, “That is not true” about what I say. It is true. I don’t say untrue things, unless it’s clearly sarcasm or a joke.

                  In addition, you clearly said you closed your business right after Obama was reelected, right here on this site. Was that “not true”?

                • Orangeone

                  I have more than 1 business entity. One is closed given Barky Boy’s re-election but I still need to file tax returns and have paid taxes on the earnings and profits.  I am looking to move and expand that business to Canada.
                  My open business is an LLC and taxes as an S Corp. That is a tax election and does not provide for limited liability.  It is the underlying formation that provides for the limited liability.  S Corporations take distributions, C Corporations pay dividends. All of my MN colleagues that tax as an S Corp are assessed federal and state unemployment taxes.

                • Rshill7

                  Well, I said twice now that it sounds like you treat yourself as your own employee and you have not responded to it, either time. You have also not agreed that limited liability also comes from being treated as both an LLC or as a corporation, whether that corp be an S or a C.

                  Limited liability comes both ways. If you are a C corporation, which we have been, you cannot be sued individually. That is limited liability. The corporation itself would be liable, not the owners of said corporation…limited liability, whether it be an LLC, an S or a C.

  • http://twitter.com/nickmarschel straw man

    Ya know something else ordinary folks do Mr. President? They only spend money they actually have. They don’t spend an extra 30-50% above their income year after year after year.

    • Orangeone

      Well that used to be the case. Now they overspend and the banks write off their mortgage interest and principal and they max out credit cards and file bankruptcy. Neither benefit is subject to tax either thanks to Barky Boy.

  • Islam_Sucks

    Now the Repubs need to grow a pair…..

    on Monday … pass a real across the board 5% tax cut for everyone.

    defund Coburn’s list of stupid stuff

    then don’t come back til after the inauguration

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Steven-Valdez/1806887704 Steven Valdez

    The Bush tax cuts suck, The Obama Tax increases suck, we need tax reform and also cut everyone’s taxes more especially now with Obamacare the law of the land on the back of the economy.

  • Wigglesworth

    Obama is just saying that to sound reasonable like when he says things like “this isn’t about politics.” It’s all a game.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OQI5D66OXO7X2FE4NVCZC7BAMA Joe

    I don’t trust him

    He is way too slick

    Boehner will get stuck again

    Go over the cliff

    Show the peoples what they voted in !

    By the way – When are IMPEACHMENT proceedings starting?

    (I have a one track mind)

  • capelady

    Sorry, Right Scoop… listen carefully… Obama said “ONE THAT PROTECTS THE MIDDLE CLASS”…. which means that his “basic package” is to raise taxes on those making over $250,000 per year!!! (Which is what he wanted all along, but hey, going over the cliff is even better because then everyone will pay more taxes and he has more money to spend!)

    So, this is all kabuki theater to make it look like he is willing to negotiate when in reality all he is doing is orchestrating this to blame the Republicans.

    He has not made any concession or compromise… it is “my way or the highway”.

    We are NOT poised to grow in 2013 as long as this man is in the White House and Reid is unwilling to allow ANY House legislation to the Senate floor! They are the obstructionists because the House has passed and submitted budgets and plans that WOULD grow the economy… Harry Reid refused to allow a vote on them!

    This is a repeat pattern because the SENATE has not passed a budget since Obama took office – and Obama knows this!!! They want to govern by continuing resolutions so that they can continue to spend without restraint. That is why Obama demanded the right to raise the debt ceiling without congressional approval, never mind that it would be completely unconstitutional!

    THIS MAN IS SUCH A LIAR & MANIPULATOR!!! And if you look at the comments on a liberal website like NBC, the drones who voted for this man believe he is sincere and factual in everything he says! The facts they quote are ludicrous and they blame the TEA Party for the gridlock, thanks to the leftist talking points in the media, etc.

    One comment on NBC said that Obama has only increased spending 6%. Do you think he realizes that the almost $1 trillion stimulus is now built into the baseline, so that 6% is calculated ABOVE the extra $1 trillion annually???

    Oy vey!!!

    • badbadlibs

      “ne comment on NBC said that Obama has only increased spending 6%. Do you think he realizes that the almost $1 trillion stimulus is now built into the baseline, so that 6% is calculated ABOVE the extra $1 trillion annually???”

      Did you happen to try and school the moron who thinks bo has only increased spending by 6%? Not that it would do any good, the leftists have misplaced their brains, never to be found.

      Oy vey iz mir!!

      • capelady

        No… I didn’t have an account set up on NBC and have no desire to have an account there, so I couldn’t reply.

        And as you say — what is the point? These drones are useful idiots with nothing between their ears. Anyone who takes Obama at his word and does not see what he is doing is clearly brain dead!!!

  • Botzilla

    The only thing I want to hear him say is “effective immediately I am resigning as President of the United States” everything else is blah blah blah

    • Conservative_Hippie

      LOL, Agreed!

  • davienne

    doesnt make one bit of difference… taxes are going up for EVERYONE… he is hell bent on bankrupting the country and thats what he is going to do…

  • Sober_Thinking

    Don’t trust a word this liar says… he’s forsaking the radical pose… and trying to score browny points to suck in the gullible Republicans.

    • Conservative_Hippie

      That’s what i was thinking Sober. You can’t trust this liar, he says one thing and does another.

      • Sober_Thinking

        You wouldn’t let Jeffrey Dahmer be a boyscout leader… why would you let this monster (Obama) have his way?

  • StrangernFiction

    The Bush tax cuts will be the Obama tax cuts.

    Stranger than fiction.

    • http://twitter.com/ember_george Ember George

      I can see that. And O will of course take the credit for all the years of benefits that come from those tax cuts even though he wasn’t in office when they were introduced.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/CZSU2D67ODNZOKEZYHXONQ4F5Y John

    BHO’s “logic” about our financial problems -> he just gave raises to Congress and that idiot Biden!!!
    DONE!!!
    What a great money saving move! What a leader!

  • Orangeone

    We need to go over the cliff. The Republicans, if they have #ManParts for it, should use the debt ceiling increase to: (1) permanently set current tax rates for top 2 and bottom level and lower the 2 middle class permanently; (2) reduce the federal budget to the pre-Clinton levels; (3) eliminate all refundable tax credits; (4) defund ObamaCare; (5) defund all Czars; (6) reduce federal employee levels to 1960 levels; (7) limit welfare and foodstamps to 6 months and make them loan programs; (8) make welfare and foodstamp recipient information public and encourage the public to report fraud; and (9) eliminate the EPA, the DOE, DHHS.

  • Joengima

    Hannity said something on his program that got me thinking. He said he spoke with someone in the meeting today, and he says of the $4Trillion in tax hikes scheduled in 2013, Obama will give back $3 Trillion and claim them as the Obama Tax Cuts.

    As much as I hate to admit this but Obama and the Democrats are freaking brilliant.

    We are going over the cliff.

    Obama will then will push the Tax Rates for the “98/99%” back to the Bush cuts era, Reduce the Capital Gains/Dividends back to or slightly lower than Bush era levels (even with new Obamacare tax) The Obamacare taxes will be altered to be less damaging in exchange for eliminating Loopholes Liberals dislike. And because it’s Obama, these rates will be permanent.

    To sum it up,

    We’ll go over the cliff- Republicans will be blamed.

    Obama will propose his Tax Reform plan to be retroactively implemented (the Tax Rates for Wealthy will remain at Clinton era levels, Tax rates for rest of us will be Bush Era, and Capital Gains/Dividends will be only slightly lower than Bush.) and will be permanent.

    This adds certainty to markets, Economy will then rebound/boom. Revenues for Government will then go up as Economy grows…

    So in 2014 Pelosi will get the 17 seat gain she needs to be speaker and the final 2 years of Obama’s administration, we’ll get the rest of his liberal agenda passed.

    • actionsspeaklouder

      Well, isn’t that a fine how do you do?

    • Conservative_Hippie

      “This adds certainty to markets, Economy will then rebound/boom. Revenues for Government will then go up as Economy grows…”

      If Obama can pull this off, then more power to him. I don’t care who gets the credit, this economy needs a “rebound/boom”!

  • tinlizzieowner

    “Did Obama just admit he’s ready to concede increased taxes on the rich…for now?”

    Obama also said this.
    “The fact that we are here today to debate raising America ‘s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the US Government cannot pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government ‘s reckless fiscal policies. Increasing America ‘s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that, “the buck stops here.” Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.”
    ~ Senator Barack H. Obama, March 2006

    Why should we believe a word that comes out of this situational hypocrite’s mouth.

    • Conservative_Hippie

      He sounds like a republican, funny how times change and Obama changes.

      • tinlizzieowner

        Obama’s statements change 180 degrees depending on if there is an (R) or a (D) in power. That’s why I use the term ‘situation hypocrite’. That’s far from being the only one.

  • repubboy

    Don’t trust a thing this man is saying ! He is a proven liar and cannot be trusted.

    • Conservative_Hippie

      Agreed!

  • http://www.facebook.com/dan.roy.716 Dan Roy

    It really is amazing to see this person lie to the American public, and think were just that dumb.

  • http://navalwarfare.blogspot.com/ Libertyship46

    Notice NOBODY is saying ANYTHING about reducing spending. Even if they reach some sort of deal, we are still going broke faster than you can say the word “debt.” This is all smoke and mirrors, gang. Unless we get our $16+ Trillion debt under control, we are still going to be Greece by 2016. And if that happens, you will have sky-high unemployment, huge taxes, no economic growth, and civil unrest that will make the Rodney King riots look like a joke. What do you think will happen when all those people living off the government don’t get their monthly checks or food stamps? I’ll leave it to you to imagine what this country will be like when it finally does go broke.

    • Kordane

      The debt will never be under control so long as the vast majority of people believe in the myth of ‘the free lunch’ courtesy of the federal government.

      Make people pay for the entitlements they receive (rather than shifting the burden onto ‘the rich’) and you’ll see a massive shift in the public perception about big government, even amongst liberals. People are all too happy for government to be massive, so long as they don’t have to pay for it, or don’t have to pay the lion’s share of the cost of it. Ask yourself how happy they’d be for government to be massive if they had to pay for the benefits they actually receive. Not too bloody happy at all, I’d say. In fact, you’d see a massive rebellion against big government.

      Big government can only exist so long as people know that they can receive largesse paid for by those richer than themselves. Big government dies the moment people are forced to pay the full price for the largesse they receive.

  • Smith Smith

    Did he say he is annoyed about repeating this over and over?

    Simple solution, instead of you telling Senator Reed to do a basic package again, maybe tell him to start putting bills up to cover the budget like the House has done year after year. Then you would not have this repeating deals, but one every year that covers and shows in greater detail your crazy spending.

  • Conniption Fitz

    This disgusting (and illegal) ‘president’ has hijacked hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars from the NIH to fund unhealthy projects. http://frontpagemag.com/2012/dgreenfield/obama-hijacks-500-million-from-national-health-research-budget-to-promote-diversity/

    Trillions and Billions have gone down the tube for Obama’s political and ideological comrades and political projects:
    – to fund green businesses operated by his political cronies that failed in less than two years, making them nothing more than money laundering schemes.
    – to promote the unhealthy homosex/bisex/etc. lifestyles that result in 44 times increased incidence of HIV and 46 times increased incidence of all other STDs.
    – to fund and arm the Islamist revolutions in the so-called Arab Spring.
    – to continue funding entitlements, including for illegals.

  • http://twitter.com/BobMacchia1 Bob Macchia

    He still $uck$!

  • http://twitter.com/BobMacchia1 Bob Macchia

    I still say a flat tax and cut the freakin’ pork. That will save billions. Go here and see the most ridiculous pork bills…http://www.businessinsider.com/the-worst-pork-of-2010-2010-4?op=1

  • Conservator1

    “Did Obama just admit he’s ready to concede increased taxes on the rich…for now?” – NO King Obama is making fools of Republicans.

    Organizations like the Heritage Foundation, various Tea Party groups and conservative political pundits opposed Boehner’s ‘Plan B’ and pressured House members not to support it. That has left Republicans with McConnell negotiating with Reid and Obama.

    In the past, the RINOS in the Senate have caved on every deal that they made with Democrats which was then forced upon the House to support. I have no doubt that McConnell will cut a deal that once again gives Obama and Democrats what they demand and getting nothing in return.

    All this could have been avoided if Boehner’s ‘Plan B’ was passed by the House. There was no risk since Obama and Reid had already rejected it. However if it had passed, that would have put pressure on Obama, Reid and Democrats to come up with a bill that would pass the Senate – since Obama became President, every budget he proposed failed to get the needed support from Democrats.

    So I hope all those who agreed with the leftist MSM about Boehner caving are happy with RINO McConnell negotiating a deal by tomorrow.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jeremy-Poncy/1339730989 Jeremy Poncy

    It angers me that Republicans keep letting themselves get out-maneuvered. They need to demand a long-term plan or accept no plan at all. Democrats keep putting this off for a reason. It’s so they can keep bringing it up. Obama needs this argument to keep pushing his class warfare. Why are republicans so stupid? How is it that every average conservative I know understands these things and yet these so called professional legislators are so blind. You have to disarm this president. He uses division to get what he wants. Turn his own weapons against him.

  • keninil

    If he wants to increase taxes on the rich, then increase the Social Security wage cap to $10 million, increase social security income testing from 70 to 75 or more.

    Two birds with one stone!!

    Minor fix to SS. Tax the rich !!

  • WordsFailMe

    Just replaced the speaker on my computer and it made a world of difference.

  • aposematic

    Republicans have a choice: 1] Kneel and kiss the emperor Obuma’s ring (total capitulation) or 2] walk away. My guess, they will chose #1 having ignored the only real option; House R’s pass a Bill making all Bush Tax Cuts permenant and send it to the Senate.

  • http://www.facebook.com/quindan Daniel Quinn

    DAAAA! I’m the prezsuent and I expect…..!