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Former CIA Operative: U.S. will NEVER get Edward Snowden from China, there’s not a chance…


Former CIA Operative Robert Baer says that he has spoken to officials today that are looking at Edward Snowden’s case as a potential Chinese espionage case given that the leaks took place in Hong Kong. He believes that it is unlikely that China was unaware of this interview going on and with Hong Kong being controlled by the Chinese, he says the US will never get Snowden back from China.

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  • freechic

    The spin begins???

    • badbadlibs

      freechic It’s going to get ugly.

      • freechic

        badbadlibs freechic   It’s already ugly.

  • Orangeone

    Heh. Back to espionage again like they did with James Rosen from Fox.  Hey Holder, how many times do you think you can cry wolf until no one helps you and the wolf eats you for dinner? Your time has come.

    • Orangeone As Chinese says, Holder you suckee long time!

  • WordsFailMe

    Blah blah blah- Nice try: The story is about how the slow moving, Obama, communist coup in the US, using federal employee union members to frighten and gain control over the American people.
    It’s not about China, Russia or the muslims. Its about the criminal enterprise headed by Obama

  • Edward Snowden is a national hero and should be pardoned for any crimes he has committed… http://t.co/9PQ0yX4OH3

    • WordsFailMe

      HiramHawk If you’re going to make an omlet, you better be ready to break a few regs. God Speed, Ed Snowden.

  • strangernfiction

    I couldn’t care less what anyone’s motivation is in doing something that hurts the tyrants in DC.

  • Matt2Matt

    I don’t like the smell of this, it’s too neat and tidy.  Looks more like your garden variety Leftist disinformation, and distraction campaign.  Obviously, somebody was getting too close to the truth on Benghazi….

    • pushtheredbutton

      Matt2Matt Normally, I’d say we can walk and chew gum at the same time. But I agree with you here. Benghazi-gate was getting really hot. And now Obama is only too happy to let other not-so-easy-to-pin-on-him scandals take the forefront. Why wont the Republicans organise properly to take this SOB administration down? You decide.

    • jollyjellybean

      Matt2Matt Our “hero” is a ronpaul bot.  Good grief.  More distraction.  js.

      • Matt2Matt

        jollyjellybean Matt2Matt Yes, further evidence of the Limbaugh Theorem,  nothing lays a glove on Obama, it’s a coordinated effort.  It’s too clean..

      • Rshill7

        jollyjellybean Matt2Matt  
        China has been heading in the direction America used to be, and America is heading in the direction China used to be. It’s easier to start and run a business in China today than it is here in America.
        America has become one huge fool. China has become much more pragmatic. It wasn’t lost on China that America kicked it’s ass economically in a relatively short number of decades. China had been in business for thousands of years. 
        Get it? I’d go there too were I he.

        • Rshill7

          jollyjellybean Matt2Matt  
          I know Americans who have lived in China for more than 20 years. They were/are treated like kings and queens there.
          America now is where China was in the early fifties. Look up where China was then. It seems America (at least those running it now) just have to see how communism can be here. They still believe in Utopia/Arcadia. 
          They are towering peaks of stupidity…pod people. Borg. I’m not going to be one of the millions murdered or starved out here.
          I also knew a man who came here as a baby right before the Russian revolution in the19-teens. You don’t want to go through that. Squash it now, or get the heck out, like smart people did before WW! and WWII in Germany and Russia.

        • NYGino

          Rshill7 jollyjellybean Matt2Matt   They  are a socialist republic.  The operative word here being socialist.  They have embraced international commerce and have prospered.  Ironic that at the same time we have abandoned the free market by the use of decrees and oppressive regulations, China has seen the light and our government has shut off the switch.

        • badbadlibs

          Rshill7 My grandfather was one of those to flee the Russian revolution. I’m just second generation. My grandfather was a very perceptive man.

        • Rshill7

          NYGino Rshill7 jollyjellybean Matt2Matt
          “It doesn’t matter whether the cat is black or white, as long as it catches mice.” (Deng Xiaoping…1977)
          Pragmatic.

        • Rshill7

          NYGino jollyjellybean Matt2Matt 
          They are going to take our place. A Chinese company just bought the Smithfield Corporation.
          China is huge in pork.

        • Rshill7

          NYGino jollyjellybean Matt2Matt 
          Thanks Gino.

        • Amjean

          Well, at least we have them hating the muslims!!!  I wonder what, if anything, they will do (under the table of course) to aid in the push back of the spread of islam in Europe and elsewhere.

  • ChesterSimms

    This is smoke and mirrors.
    What about bringing charges against the perpetrators of this?

  • celestiallady

    Give it a few days and see what happens.

  • Duane D Watts

    It all depends on how bad the Obama Administration REALLY wants him.  They have a whole checkbook of blank checks.  They can give China, with a wink, anything China wants, and China will deliver him.  OR they could just write him off.  I don’t see him damaging Obama any further, so they’ll just write him off

    • PAWatcher

      Duane D Watts 
      IMHO China knows obama has plenty of checks in his checkbook, but no money to back them…….. he’s NSF to the tune of around 16 trillion. Don’t think China will interfere with Hong Kong on behalf of obama.
      Snowden needs to realize We will be eternally grateful to him for bringing the extent of this oppressive administration with the outing of PRISM. And hopefully the downfall of obama’s plan for transformation of Our constitutional republic to a communistic nation as part of one world order.
      Time for our representatives to start representing US.

      • Orangeone

        PAWatcher Duane D Watts Reading the latest, count Ayotte as a traitor joining Rubio on massive amnesty. Her argument, that will restart our economy.

        • PAWatcher

          Orangeone PAWatcher Duane D Watts 
          They all have something that can push them to the wrong side of an issue, a lot of  politicians have too much baggage to stand upright, some are carrying their constituents’.

        • Orangeone

          PAWatcher Orangeone Duane D Watts Her reasoning was her “donors”.  Any idiot that thinks adding 33 million people to welfare will help this economy needs to be checked in for mental health exam and guns removed from their household because of mental illness.

        • RocklinConservative

          Not breaking news. She pretty much does everything the dynamic bozos do.

        • Orangeone

          RocklinConservative Another disappointment.  Glad she has shown her true colors so NH can start looking for a TeaParty candidate to primary her and we can focus on exposing her liberal behaviors.

  • DCGere

    Snowden better watch his back…

  • LIBERTYUSA

    ….God Bless Joseph Edward Snowden and his COURAGE to expose this TYRANNICAL GLOBAL MONSTER which should be taken down ASAP . ”
    Glory and Praise to my Lord And Saviour Jesus Christ .

  • Rshill7

    Will there be an open thread tonight? When was the last one?

    • badbadlibs

      Rshill7 I hope it’s soon, I’m anxious to hear what you have to post!

      • Rshill7

        badbadlibs Rshill7 
        I’ve been patiently waiting. Don’t we need some relief from all this crap?
        I do have something to post there, ifa nd when it appears. Wrote it a few nights ago 🙂

        • badbadlibs

          Rshill7 We definitely need some relief.

        • NYGino

          Rshill7 badbadlibs   Go ahead and post it Rs, there’s just a bunch of regulars hanging around tonight.  Don’t mean to step out of bounds scoop but, hey, you know.

        • Rshill7

          NYGino Rshill7 badbadlibs
          Ok friend: Please tell me what you think. I want it to be in the anthology.
          Now and Then

          Jimmy Stewart’s doing his thing again, in one of those quintessentially American, old Westerns. Made back in the good ole days, when modern movies actually showed, and with respect mind ya’, people in church…humble, thankful, with heavenly-bound, expressions of grace right before family meals too…themes of honesty, eternal truths, good versus evil, the good side almost always triumphant, unless a variation on the theme had even deeper goodness to reveal. Those ever-endearing qualities America treasured.

          “Back at the ranch“, a fairly young Stewart’s backed into a corner, even as the great outdoors touches his spine, which is firm and straight…resolute. A half a dozen hombres pressing in, ready and willing to do him harm. He clutches his Colt Revolver, grits his pearly grinders, eyeing each one with contempt and deep, knowing, suspicion, with a dash of disgust thrown in. Disgust we watchers can feel.

          He says to all of them, individually and collectively…(it’s all the same with hombres). “I’ve got six bullets in this gun, he says. Which one of you wants to be first?”

          I love the “old” values, but in the interest of putting silver linings around a host of clouds, there are some things better today. Would that we could add the good of today with the good of yesterday. How cool would that be? Aside from the instantaneous connectivity we now enjoy with each other here in the internet age, I can still grit my teeth if hombres approach me with evil intent. Only now I can say, “I’ve got 33 bullets in this pistol and 40 more in this rifle. Which one of you 73 hombres wants to be first?” Yep, that’s technology right there.

          You know, we’ve dramatically improved many things, while ruining so many of those things the improvements should have sweetened. I’m dreaming about American values from the 40’s, some of it’s music as well, alongside electronic marvels from the 2000’s. Low taxes and high mobility. Blossoming opportunity too. Where achievement is celebrated and repeatedly attempted, and only the infirmed depend on Government largesse, others, if need be, are aided by friends, neighbors, family, and church.

          Call me a dreamer, but dream something yourself. I’d hope it were similar to mine, but freedom is freedom, and your dream is yours alone. One dreamer ought never stifle that of another, nor force feed theirs to anyone, as we increasingly see today. Let’s have open debate and let the most beloved dreams prevail.

          Present the several sides to our youth and let them decide which one seems right to them…laying out banquet tables of fare, allowing budding wisdom to choose. We’d soon see which dreamers outnumbered which, placing firm foundations under airy castles.

          Gotta go. Here comes the sandman

          Dream something. Be somebody. God made you purposely…for purpose. May God show you that purpose.

        • NYGino

          Rshill7 NYGino badbadlibs    Great post Rs, a thinking person’s read.  Reminds me of the story where this young guy is stating his case that today’s generation is way ahead of his father’s, siting the internet, electronics, and a host of other technological advances, and the father agrees but doesn’t fail to remind his son that it was the older generation that invented them.

        • NYGino

          Rshill7 NYGino badbadlibs   It’s in the anthology.  Thanks Rs.

        • 1guest

          Rshill7 NYGino badbadlibs 
          I like it, very much.  I want young people to read an anthology of these.  Especially the message of “Dream something,” something good, and illustrating a glimpse of what is good.
          Got an anthology for me?
          Do you watch Huckabee?  He is good tonight, very good.
          Thx. Rs

        • patriot077

          Rshill7 NYGino badbadlibs I liked it too, Rshill7, but I’m late to the party again!
          Sweet dreams!

        • mike3e4r7

          “…One dreamer ought never stifle that of another, nor force feed theirs to anyone, as we increasingly see today”.  Nicely said.

        • Rshill7

          1guest Rshill7 NYGino badbadlibs Nope, I missed that. His opening statements are often very good. He can certainly wordsmith with best of ’em.
          Hang around. We’ve some extremely good writers here. What’s more, they have important things to say, and know how to say them. 
          Great online friends I’d love to meet in person.
          Thank you for the kind words.

        • Rshill7

          NYGino Rshill7 badbadlibs
          Mornin’ friend. Early to bed, early to rise, and all that. Love seeing and hearing that bright Red Drum.
          Used to be a snare drummer from middle school on. The band instructor used to pick me up from the Middle School and take me to the High School to play with the big kids, every day after school. Lots of parades etc.  
          Man, could we sling those sticks in fancy fashion. Played guitar in church, but when the drummer was absent, I’d lay the strings down and hop on the drum-set…ya’ gotta have drums…and friends.
          Thank God for coordination andrhythm…and unusually spelled words. I mean, look at that thing:  “rhythm”…huh?
          🙂

        • NYGino

          Rshill7 NYGino badbadlibs
          “Great online friends I’d love to meet in person.”
          Wouldn’t that be a kick.  I’m sure a lot of scoopers feel the same way.  Even without introductions I bet we would be able to identify others just by the style and content of the conversations.  Great group here, proud to be a part of it.
          Have to go practice my paradiddles now, enjoy the day my friend.

        • Rshill7

          MeanGreenBeret Rshill7 NYGino badbadlibs 
          Really? I’ve read every one of those. Got each one in hardback 🙂
          Can see them on the bookshelf from here.
          Thanks!

        • Rshill7

          MeanGreenBeret Rshill7 NYGino badbadlibs 
          The first thing that pops into my head hearing that name is “Master and Commander”
          “The lesser of two weevils” aaahahahaha! 
          I don’t remember that from the book but in the movie it was hilarious the way it was done.
          Love the age of fighting sail. One day I’d like to step aboard the HMS Victory.

        • Rshill7

          MeanGreenBeret Rshill7 NYGino badbadlibs 
          I’m on my third Sir Walter Scott novel (kindle). They’re all free. Started with Ivanhoe. 
          Read everything I could get my hands on by Richard D. Blackmore too.

        • badbadlibs

          Rshill7 NYGino badbadlibs You never fail to disappoint. Thanks for a great read! I wish there were teachers that thought like you from sea to shining sea.

        • Rshill7

          badbadlibs Rshill7 NYGino 
          Never fail to disappoint? 🙁
          Aaahahahaha. 
          I know what you meant. Thank you 🙂

  • stage9

    What’s really sad is that this young man had to FLEE the most free nation in the world to take refuge in a nation that stifles free speech! What does that tell you about the real state of affairs in America? It’s not BECOMING a POLICE STATE, America IS A POLICE STATE!

  • Larchmonter

    If you know what goes on in Hong Kong, you know MI6 as well as the CIA have always been huge there. So, to say the Chinese know everything there is nuts. They know some things. There is a strong independent strain of society that is not Mainlanders and the Beijing crowd does not run everything there. Hong Kong is where the flying money (underground transfers) pours from the Mainland. Banking, smuggling and secret bank accounts are honored there. HSBC moved back there because so much money moves across the border there.
    This guy is pure. He would not have even been recruited by the Chinese. They almost exclusively use overseas Chinese, not foreigners for their espionage.
    Snowden will be vilified and smeared because the CIA and NSA have mud on their faces.
    If any of their data grabs and big data analytics worked, why did Boston just happen?
    Power-mad bureaucratic bulls***.
    Take a look at Clapper, Donilon, Rice, and Brennan and tell me we are safe with these losers in charge.
    If President Xi Xinping had knowledge of this, he would have kept it secret and dropped it on Obama’s  head while they walked around the Sunnyland mansion grounds. Would have made Obama pee his slacks that the Chinese had penetrated everything.

    • badbadlibs

      Larchmonter I can honestly say I do not feel safe with clapper, conilon, rice and brennan or Obama, biden, holder, Jarrett and every other Obama administration employee/appointee/friend/relative/alien…..

      • RocklinConservative

        Alien? Are you referring to an undocumented space traveler?

    • Rshill7

      Larchmonter 
      No, they are way more subtle than that. They will let Obama drop it on his own stupid head.

    • kimber1911

      Larchmonter   You have hit the nail right on the head… This guy is not working for the Chinese..
      He is working for Obama and friends….

    • Larchmonter They aren’t looking for terrorists foreign or domestic, they are looking for their political enemies to secure re-election eternally! The IRS crap should spell that out for all that are paying attention! The Sheeple need to wake up!

  • Orangeone
  • Orangeone

    O/T but there are reports all over Twitter that there are suicide bombers at the airport in Kabul, US and allied troops there.

  • And this happening at the same time that Obama is meeting with the the head of the Chinese government. Sure, you can “trust” those communist dictators. Iran is small potatoes when compared to the threat that’s coming from China. If we don’t wise up and treat them as the threat they are, they are going to eat us for breakfast.

    • Libertyship46 One Massive Problem! China Owns The USA! We can’t touch them in any way!

    • FutureOnePercent

      Libertyship46 And wipe out half of their export economy?
      “We have always been at war with Eastasia!”

  • jsallensmith

    the price you pay for a free society…

    • FutureOnePercent

      jsallensmith Please tell me that was sarcasm…

  • CassieCarter

    Yee Haw, this drama is more fun to watch than stupid TV.  And people say I’m a conspiracy theorist because I cancelled my cable TV.  Why would anyone watch soap operas, prime-time stupid shows etc. when we have real live drama going on at this very moment!  HA.  I don’t need to watch TV, the drama is happening in real time in this country and you can watch it unfold on the Internet!  
    Folks, we have to save the internet at all costs!!!

    • 1guest

      CassieCarter Fox is doing a good job lately.  Yet revealing deep motives is yet to come.  Important to use all media if we want as many people as possible to be aware.  It’s about saving individuals now.  One by one. Check out Huckabee today if at all possible.  “We need maximum exposure…” says his guest former NSA whistleblower whose life was changed.

    • Political Pugilist

      CassieCarter I cancelled my cable too. I was seeing these people on the screen that I would never have as friends, introducing all sorts of immorality to my kids, and it suddenly stuck me… I PAY to have these idiots around my house all the time. So… I cancelled cable. My sons grades have gone up and they’re not continually bombarded by all variety of decadence. They have computers, let them watch the science and history channel on those.

      • DeepUnderCover

        Political Pugilist CassieCarter There are good points on each side of the arguments. My question about parenting is the choice of computer over cable. It is very possible that there is a great deal greater harm from exposure to the unlimited Internet than to the relatively limited cable shows that can be parental controlled. My choice was to have cable but to engage in marathoning as a way to tire my son out: no energy left to pursue the infinite bad choices. It worked until he got to college. He made good decisions there also, but I had no control. I attribute that to giving him a good base and by being a good role model.

  • jazzee

    keep paying attention and letting the idiots in congress know we are tired of this lawless obamaer
    don’t get down….they want us to ignore and walk away…………………pay attention and don’t allow them to defeat us
    and get on congress………….they have lied to us over and over all of them and obamaer …

  • RobHorine

    First, we have a extradition treaty with Hong Kong, but not with China.
    And this guy better hope he doesn’t get a retirement notice from the CIA.   It’s sent in a 9mm package.

    • 1RandiStarr

      RobHorine I recommend about 30 jump drives in multiple directions…entertain the CIA.

    • JamesP.Delaney

      RobHorine 
      That may be true, but what the PRC says goes in HK. Snowden is safer in HK than anywhere else.

    • JamesP.Delaney

      RobHorine 
      That may be true, but what the PRC says goes in HK. Snowden is safer in HK than anywhere else.

  • kong1967

    I was listening to an ex-FBI agent tonight on the radio, and he said that they must get a warrant before they can even look at the metadata (I’ve heard it both ways).  He said the reason the data needs to be collected is because the phone companies purge their records.  If they find a new number associated with suspected terrorists, they want to go back as far as they can since the time that phone started being used.  If the phone company has already purged the past records,   then they can never retrieved . So, he said the metadata is only there so those records are preserved for possible future use.
    That makes perfect sense to me, and on the surface it sounds like it’s it’s not possible to target Tea Party members because they have to get a warrant before they can even look at the metadata.  That’s great if you have a President who never has the intent of targeting political enemies.  Obama has shown that he will use the force of government to attack political enemies, and Holder has shown that he will lie to the courts to get whatever warrant he wishes.  Rosen ring a bell?
    In other words, those checks only work if the administration doesn’t lie to the FISA court to get any warrants they want.  I don’t trust Obama or Holder to not lie to the courts, so the answer is still “no” for me.

    • deTocqueville1

      kong1967 Read the Patriot Act and FISA. Where in the legislation or the regulations does it require a normal due process warrant? Why should there ever be a ‘special Court” to examine the evidence of ‘probable cause’ tointrude on the Bill of Rights?

      • kong1967

        deTocqueville1 Well, I would say there should never be a special court to to determine probable cause to intrude on the Bill of Rights.
        I know they say it only applies to suspected terrorists, but Napolitano has called Tea Party activists and returning war vets terror threats.  We have to trust the liberal definition of “terrorist”, and I’m definitely not comfortable with that.  If I were to win $250 million dollars tomorrow and started doling it out too Tea Party groups, what are the odds I’d be on the IRS target list and/or have my phone number on the dragnet researched and followed?  I’m not comfortable with that, either.

  • deTocqueville1

    There seems to me to be many comments here which miss the main point.

    • The Sentinel

      deTocqueville1 
      I agree totally.
      Trying to destroy his credibility or make him look like a bad guy. Distraction imo.

  • The Sentinel

    Wow… so the leaker is the video-maker now. That’s the story?
    This seems like a distraction from the REAL news.

  • Rshill7

    Two of the FBI agents that killed one of the Boston bombers have been killed it looks like. At least that’s what Pravda says:
    http://english.pravda.ru/news/world/24-05-2013/124656-boston_terrorist_fbi_agents_killed-0/

    • Suzyqpie

      Pravda, I read it everyday. And alJeezera. The BBC broke the spying story. The US MSM, is working as 0bama’s Basij. Wonder if they have noticed that we are deserting them?

    • badbadlibs

      Rshill7 Another coincidence? Yikes almighty! What did these guys know? They “fell” out of the helicopter, so if I envision a “push” would I need to actually go into the kitchen, pull out the tin foil and fashion a hat????

      • Rshill7

        badbadlibs Rshill7 
        It is what the most stylish conspiracy folk are wearing these days. Mine though is metaphoric 🙂

        • badbadlibs

          Rshill7 When is the last time any well trained military type personal “fell” out of a helicopter?????? This is getting far worse then anyone could have imagined.

        • NYGino

          badbadlibs Rshill7   Reminds me of a scene from the movie “Scarface” with Al Pacino.

  • ryanomaniac

    Whether his intentions were bad or not, it is good all of this came out. There needs to be a huge push against this absolute bastardizing of the Constitution.
    I’m tired of us having to lose our rights because our so called leaders will not do what needs to be done. Kick out ANY Muslim sympathetic to terrorism and jihad in any form. If you give money to Palestinian causes or your organization is suspected of any of these you get kicked out. Take NO MORE immigrants that are Muslim. Period. Who brings their enemies to their own shores?? NO MORE immigrants from Arab countries. No tourists or anything. A large portion of the problem would be solved and we would still be free men.

  • Lou Whow

    Exposing a crime should not be a crime, INO

  • JamesP.Delaney

    Exactly what secret documents did Snowden disclose?

  • JamesP.Delaney

    Though anything is possible, I find the notion that Snowden is a spy for the Chinese a tad unbelievable.
    As to why Snowden opted for HK over Iceland, the answer seems less nefarious than it might otherwise appear to some. If I feared for my life and wanted to reduce the risk of imprisonment by US authorities, I too would have opted for Hong Kong. Afterall is aid and done, Iceland, with appropriate US pressure, might have proven to be more amenable to extraditing Snowden to the US than China would be.
    As for Snowden’s disclosure coinciding with Pres Si’s visit with Obama, MAYBE there’s something suspicious there. While an interesting speculation, one would have to believe Snowden’s a spy for China to see this as something more than a coincidence. Again, nothing I see (so far) suggests anything as nefarious as that.   
    Can’t wait for the movie version. I swear, the things going on today in the US is the stuff of novels. Intensely interesting, but also scary.

  • DanielQuinn

    Where’s (the haughty) John kERRY?