By The Right Scoop


When I first tuned into this earlier today, I thought ‘ugh…Karl Rove again!’ But it wasn’t just Karl Rove, it was also Mike Lee and they were debating the defunding of Obamacare. And it went for two full segments before they finally hand to end it.

Here’s some reaction from twitter:

Listen to the full debate below:

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  • PVG

    Now THAT’S good radio….way to go Sean!

  • Laurel A

    Karl Rove is far too worried about blame instead of doing the right thing. I also think this is part of a overall Rove strategy and head fake since moderate RINO’s are proposing an alternative to Obamacare. He is still using the same old tired lies about the last shut down.

    Look over there!—————————————————->

  • Laurel A

    And on a side note why does anyone listen to Rove who has never ever held elected office?

  • bluerose3335

    FIrst Sean…STOP CALLING Rove “THE ARCHITECT” God I am so sick of that ridiculous and blantantly ignorant remark.  WHAT IS GOD’S Name did he BUILD OR DESIGN???  This idea that Blowhead was behind George W. Bush winning is a JOKE!  Rove is what not 0 for 100….can anyone name anyone born after the time of MOSES that Rove has help win anything????????????  HEY BLOWHEAD you see that MAJORITY in the HOUSE….KISS THE TEA PARTY LOSER….see any GAINS the GOP has…sure as H is not from some punk whimp liberal bean counter like you!  Rove has helped no one.  DID HIS POWEFUL SUPERPAC do one thing for Romney???  He is the POSTER CHILD FOR DEFEAT.  He lives in the bowels of the Establishment basement as the Hyde of Hideous Thoughts.  He has not one clue what Conservatism is nor can he stand it.  He is a Liberal Dimwit Democrat to the core.  Listening to him will get you McLame, Shamnasty, Bonehead Boehner, Cowardly Cantor, Ripp Off Ryan and Mindnumbing McConnell.  Do the GOP A FAVOR BLOWHEAD….work for the Dems…But they know you are a FIRST CLASS CRUMBLER with no GONADS and the absolute worst instincts and intuition on the planet.  SHUT ROVE AND REMOVE yourself from a debate thats train departed one track and you took another.

  • http://www.ConservativeRV.com LibertyLinda

    Karl Rove is so out of touch, the leader of RINO’s and absolutely WRONG for America. He has done nothing but create a bunch of losing GOP. We have survived Government shutdowns before – this is a non-argument. NO entitlement law has ever been repealed – see Social Security & Medicare – Rove is so far wrong on this! We MUST defund Obamacare! The consequences is far greater than stupid Government shutdowns.

  • Orangeone

    LibertyLinda And they both have been bloated larger than Oprah before and after all of her diets.

  • Orangeone

    Laurel A No gov’t in our health care.  We need to start stripping gov’t of what they already control and reduce it by 90%.

  • poptoy1949

    Rove needs to hush.  I’m with Sen. Mike Lee,  Defund the damned thing and if Obama wants to shut down the government then he shuts it down.  People are not overly stupid.

  • Laurel A

    Orangeone Laurel A I agree but I am telling you the ‘moderates’ are writing their own Obamacare plan.

  • Laurel A

    poptoy1949 And if they are they get the government they deserve.

  • Laurel A

    I recommend Mike Lee’s book on this topic. It’s not very long and inexpensive.

  • Conservative_Hippie

    Mike Lee sure is a sharp cookie!  Rove is a lily liveried coward!

  • Highlandtwp

    Carl… blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

  • vorlath

    Karl wants to appease the liberal media instead of doing what’s right. Also, he wants to go to court to enact Obamacare? Has he gone mad. If Republicans do that, then they’ll own Obamacare. Obama can just say, “I tried to delay it until it was ready to be implemented, but the Republicans went ahead and forced the issue. They own Republicare.”

  • BetseyRoss

    poptoy1949 If the government gets shut down it’s Obama that does it.  Two bills.  Funding for the government.  Funding for Obamacare.

  • Garym1

    Rove’s voice was quivering through most of the debate. This guy can only debate with people who agree with him.

  • marketcomp

    Rove doesn’t seem to care about the American people only what the RINO Washington establishment want and that is the problem.

  • marketcomp

    Garym1 Yeah, he’s is a very weak person and it shows.

  • Proudhispanicconservative

    In other words a coward.

  • Stehekin912

    Read our lips, RINOS!  We DO NOT WANT ANYTHING that looks, smells, walks, quacks, tastes or squats in the mud like ThatGuyCare.  Not now, not EVER.  Shut the government down!  We are not afraid!  Bring it ON

  • LouisLaGuardiaIII

    Listening to that debate, I found that Rove came off as a coward. He kept pushing the idea that if the republicans vote to defund Obama Care and that caused a government shut down that the democrats would blame it all on the republicans and get away with it like they did in 1995. What Rove and other establishment republicans don’t get is that the difference between then and now is talk radio and the internet. What Rove and many of these republicans need is the backbone of Reagan and the stubbornness  of Truman.

  • odin147

    If the measure of when we should fight or not is dictated by the Dems in the senate then we might as well not fight because they are never goIng to vote for what we want , at least we can get them on the record that they voted to explicitly fund obamascare when they had a choice to fund the govt. without obamascare, then we will see what happens in the senate elections , if these Dems still have a job. Levin should take on Rove, I would love to hear that debate.

  • bfunk

    Karl needs to retire and just never be seen on TV anymore.

  • Rushlimbang

    Senator Lee is a mild mannered bulldog.

  • Charm4sure

    Garym1 It was great to see Rove back on his heels. He whipped himself into a frenzy of spewing all the things “we should do, but can’t do right now” because we don’t have total power over the government. The GOP needs advisors smart enough to know how to use the power we have and it isn’t Rove.  So anything anyone else suggests he is going to discount and declare a doomsday outcome which is what he did with Lee.  Remember Rove’s many election commentary spots on Fox telling us Romney was winning?

  • Garym1

    Charm4sure
    Rove is a shiftless bastard. I put him in the same category as Obama, only slightly more conservative. Rove will say and do anything, to win, period. He has no true values he holds. He does his schtick for the prestige he gets and the money. There is a reason Bush 41 calls him turd blossom.

  • Charm4sure

    Garym1 I had no idea Bush 41 called him Turd Blossom. Works for me. Thank you for the heads up on that.

  • GodspeedJPS

    Isn’t Karl the one who said Romney won Ohio?

  • Orangeone

    Laurel A Orangeone The GOP wants gov’t control of us as much as the liberals do, not doubt about it.  That’s why they are tweeting “delay” and I tweet back they are just as power and control hungry.

  • Orangeone

    Stehekin912 Shut it down for good.

  • Orangeone

    GodspeedJPS Romney probably did win Ohio if you take the voter fraud out of the equation.

  • Orangeone

    Buck up boys, get the Teamsters and the other unions that were for ObamaCare until they found out we told the truth on TV ads right now demanding the gov’t repeal it completely or encourage the House to defund it.  What’s so hard about an offensive strategy.

  • Freempg

    Erik the red RINO blowing in the wind again.

  • SurfinCowboy

    The real reason Rove does not like this is he knows that it will be used against all of his precious little candidates next year and in the Republican primary for 2016. He wants what may cost him his RINOs getting nominated/elected. This issue will be used to knock out his choices and bring in more conservative choices for the voters. You can hear the real fear in his voice as he sees the big government party that he love love loves coming to a close.
    You make a stand together and if you have to give in – you do. BUT in “giving in”, you have brought the issue to the attention of the average citizen and voter, and they will remember when it comes to 2014. The fact that these folks will not work with “Team Defund” is a sign of those folks’ weakness.
    This whole idea that the Senate would send it back to the House is bogus too. It would then go to conference, where “Team Defund” would continually hammer that the bill will include the defunding of Obamacare – united from boths sides and the people will see who is insisting on shutting down the government in order to keep Obamacare funded – The Democrats at the conference. Eventually there can be a “giving in” moment, complete with a “Team Defund” press conference filled with sadness that the Democrats wanted to hurt the people in order to keep their unpopular law and they just couldn’t hold out. Then they remind the people that in 2014 they can help them get the Senate back and start to hammer at the POTUS.
    The whole darn idea is unity of message and coming to the people. There was a great chance for unity of voice.
    Instead, French-Republicans (Thanks for that one Mark!) like Rove have already spit in the soup and tossed a turd into the punchbowl. I wish there was unity, but there are too many yellow-bellies in both houses on the hill.

  • PNWShan

    My sense this afternoon when I heard parts of this was that these people like Karl Rove who want to merely make this an issue for the next 2 elections are not looking for an actual solution or for any improvement to our economy; all they care about is being hired again to help candidates next time.
    I cannot listen to Michael Medved on this issue. He belittles anyone who wants to do something more than wait for the next election. The next election will have just as much corruption and stolen votes as this last election; why should I pin my hopes on another sham?

  • Freempg

    Karl (sic) Rove knows the future like a Taro Card reader. He is the bulb-headed Wizard of OZ cranking levers behind the curtain. Mike Lee is nipping the curtain like Toto and exposing the fraud for what he is.

  • PNWShan

    LouisLaGuardiaIII  This tactic would require Republicans to get out there DAILY and tell the American people what they are doing and WHY. They cannot merely make the deals and do the vote, they MUST EXPLAIN it to people. Reagan understood talking and explaining. Bush and Rove didn’t. Drives me nuts.

  • BS61

    I despised Rove as a Dem, I still do now!

  • BS61

    @PNWShan I completely agree!  I quit listening to talk radio here in AZ because they were constant Immigration supporters.  Ugh!

  • BS61

    Exactomundo Marketcomp!

  • JohnCraven

    SurfinCowboy, it’s really “Vichy French” Republicans.
    John Craven – New Orleans

  • JohnCraven

    Orangeone, that is a great strategy and would work brilliantly and add to that the question of why would any American company hire any American citizens to work full time when, should amnesty pass, they can hire all the illegals they want and not have to provide them with ObamaCare.  Get the union bosses to admit to that too and I think you would have the death knell of both ObamaCare and Amnesty very quickly.
    Will the Big Whigs in the GOP like Rove support that?  No.  They live to lose.  That’s all they dream about is how can we lose bigtime today.
    John Craven – New Orleans

  • SurfinCowboy

    JohnCraven Nice!

  • 12grace

    We must defund obamacare or millions of Americans will die.

  • Garym1

    Charm4sure 
    Oops ……. Bush 43.

  • EchoMike

    That was painful to listen to!
    Karl is a schmuck.

  • bfunk

    Freempg Agreed. Rove was right about one thing, though. It will be a long fight either way.

  • Ptyler25

    Bottom line is Rove and the RINO’s are looking out for #1 and Mike Lee’s concern is for the American people. What Rove fails to understand is that the Republican base is already fed up with them and this will be the final nail in their coffin. We will not vote for another republican just because they are not a democrat.

  • Ptyler25

    And why do we have a Republican “strategists”, with a less than 1% victory rate?

  • fanosea55

    So, the only reason to pursue an issue in Congress, according to Rove, is if you have the assurance that it will be passed. Never mind what the people want. Should we continue to vote in representatives that don’t listen to “We the People”.

  • Amjean

    I read a great article yesterday at American Thinker (.com) written by Todd Keister called, “Rule of the Republicrats” which pretty much explains what is going on with our political craziness, in particular, the role that repubs play in the grand scheme of things.  Bottom line:  As I have suspected for a few years, there is little difference between the agenda of dems and repubs; the only thing they really fight about is who will have the power to implement their grand schemes.
    If you go to their blog, scroll down and on the left hand side will be a listing of August 12 articles.  I think this is a must read and would love to hear other posters comments.
    I think it is critical for conservatives to read and know what is in this article.

  • DeepThought_42

    So, Karl wants to wait until we have a Republican president. That’s not going to happen for at least a dozen years. Hillary is a shoe-in for the next two terms since Rove and his elites won’t end their tyrannical hold on the GOP. I refuse to just let them yammer on about how defeated we are and never take any action at all. We demand action while the elites sit in smoke-filled rooms formulating their big plan for 2024. My votes are going to third-party candidates. I’m done with both major political parties.

  • USMC 64-68

    Rove reveals himself to be what he is – a RINO who doesn’t have the stones to fight for what’s right.

  • Longiron

    3rd PARTY only way the conservatives will get the POTUS. Need opposition party and have none. Only hope is Ted Cruz and the RINO /GOP/DEMS will fix the primary like they did for MIttens in the inner cities to get a RINO the nomination for BUSH, KREAM , Ryan or some other RINO only to LOSE to Hillary. Only one who can beat Hillary is CRUZ and they the RINO/GOP/DEMS will do everything to keep him out including violence of some kind to him or his family. SP did not run in 2012 and 50 tears from now we will find out the real reason.

  • Laurel A

    Orangeone Laurel A YEP!  Keep it up!

  • steveangll77

    LouisLaGuardiaIII Rove completely rewrote history on this.
    1) Clinton was forced to sign Welfare Reform because of this fight so seems to me the Republicans won.
    2) The Republicans undid Newt.  Republicans lead by people exactly like Rove.  Republicans like rRove detest the American people who constantly prefer to elect conservatives like Mike Lee and vote out Republicans Rove champions.
    3) The Republicans then spent like crazy and completely lost the faith of the American people by running on conservative principals (Contract with America) then completely abandoning them a year on.  Spending is why we lost the Presidency and many other elections.  Newt’s message won Big Time.  Roves lost Big Time and still loses every single time it is tried.

  • Orangeone

    JohnCraven Thank you.  Maybe, just maybe someone like Mike Lee, Ted Cruz, Steve Stockman, Steve King will read our posts and pick up the ideas we all post here.

  • kong1967

    That was a fantastic debate.  I loved it.
    I’d hate to disappoint my friends here, but I agree with Rove.  I will join you in trying to defund the bill, though, because either way is a crapshoot. 
    Mike Lee says some things that are just plain wrong.  He says that if you don’t agree with the tactic of defunding the bill now, then you’re not willing to fight and you’re willing to accept it.  That’s hogwash.  Using a different strategy is not capitulation.
    Then he said we got Obamacare by caving.  No, we didn’t.  We got Obamacare because Reid nuked the process and passed it with 51 votes.  No one caved on our side.
    Lee also insinuated that the people that don’t like this strategy are somehow responsible for all the times Republicans caved on issues.  Lol, no.  First of all, not wanting to use this strategy is not caving.  It just means we feel we are shooting ourselves in the foot and want to try a different strategy.
    It was Rove who was trying to say that we all want to repeal the bill, while Lee was saying basically those of us that don’t agree with him aren’t conservative and are traitors.  Quite frankly, that pi**es me off because I want to repeal the bill as much as any of you.  I just don’t think this method will get us there.
    I will join you, though, if they decide to do this because if we are going in swinging we need to swing together.  Lol, somehow that didn’t sound right.

  • 57thunderbird

    No federal program,once fully implemented has ever,and I mean ever been repealed.It is now or never!

  • USMC 64-68

    kong1967  
    My impression was that Rove defended the republican establishment and Lee defended our rights through defending the Constitution.

  • JohnCraven

    Ditto!
    John Craven – New Orleans

  • JohnCraven

    steveangll77, you are correct.  Thanks for un-rewriting Rove’s history.
    Tonight, on Mark Levin’s radio show, he began with a wonderful rant and ripped the Republicans and their consultants like Rove a new one about how we could easily lose the House in 2014 given the way that the GOP with the advice and consent of Rove and his like has run away from its base again and again. 
    What Levin doesn’t point out is that you can’t keep losing time and time and time again like the GOP does when it abandons its base unless you are actually trying to lose, unless you are purposefully throwing the fight, which is what they did with McShame and Romney.  They have to be getting paid off in one way or another to keep throwing elections the way they do.
    And whenever Levin and Hannity and Rush say we can’t go third party because than the democrats will win forever what they are doing is giving the GOP Big Whigs a pass that allows them to keep throwing elections to the democrats year after year.
    The only thing that will get Levin’s liberty ammendments passed would be a third party taking over the state legislatures run by “mini-me’s” of Congress to do just that
    John Craven – New Orleans

  • JohnCraven

    Let’s pray to God above that they do.  And since I’m a Catholic that will mean many novenas but our nation is worth praying for a lot.
    John Craven – New Orleans

  • JohnCraven

    Well, Ptyler25, if you are purposefully throwing elections than Rove has a 99% victory rate!
    John Craven – New Orleans

  • onesilverfox

    Rove is a Rino. He is a typical Rockefeller republican. All he cares about is destroying the Tea party  no matter what. He is a mental case.

  • onesilverfox

    Rove is trying to use the scare tactics. If the house defunds and the SEnate adds it back, just keep defunding and they will finally have to pass it in the senate. They can not get away with tryingh to fund a program that is so disliked as this.

  • onesilverfox

    Do all the things Rove is talking about later, but defund while we have the chance.

  • bahamianhoosier

    Orangeone And I can’t believe Congress voted themselves out of it because they were going to lose aides!! Good God what about the rest of us stuck with this s**t sandwich?! How do I vote to take me out too?! (besides Nov)

  • kong1967

    USMC 64-68  It’s not about the establishment to me.  I usually don’t agree with them, but I’m not going to go against them when I happen to agree.
    I’m willing to go along with defunding the bill because there is a chance the public will become outraged at Obama and the Democrats in the process (for shutting down government when Congress did not call for that).  That would boost our election prospects next year.  Do I think that will happen?  No, but there’s no guarantee that we will be able to pick up enough seats anyway.  I think we have a better chance of picking up enough seats if we don’t do this, but I don’t know that for sure.  If we don’t do this and we lose the elections, I will be mad at myself for not getting behind this.

  • USMC 64-68

    57thunderbird  
    You are exactly right, and especially so with this one.  Once fully implemented the tentacles of marxism will have a death grip on our liberty.  The State will be too powerful.  Armed revolution will be the ONLY solution.

  • Orangeone

    bahamianhoosier Orangeone Rep Steve Stockman (R-TX) is working on something to make us all honorary members of the Committee so we are exempt too!

  • heiming

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  • inhomeauctions

    Im tired of hearing Rino’s talk about the beating we took in the shutdown of the 90’s. We GAINED 3 seats in the senate & lost 4 in the house. That’s a normal turnover, actually a good election. The rino’s use it as an excuse every time they don’t want to represent the people. The TEA party sent 64 NEW house members to office in ONE election in 2010.

  • ChuloDO

    57thunderbird “Marxism”?   “Tentacles”?  Meh.  The Affordable Care Act has nothing to do with taking away liberty.  
    It’s not unreasonable to expect people to have insurance anymore than it’s not unreasonable for drivers to have auto insurance.  The ACA preserves choice–in fact, it increases it because it establishes exchanges.  Most, if not all, people would be able to keep their own doctors / health care providers.

  • ChuloDO

    USMC 64-68 It’s amusing to see you turn against your own.  It’s probably because of your reflexive tendency to hate on those who happen to differ in opinion from you.  In this case, Rove is just differing on strategy.  Both he and Lee are drumming up resistance here, and the increasing disapproval has been largely a self-fulfilling prophecy through unceasing baseless opposition.
    Reality is that it’s good for millions of people (many of them who have JOBS but can’t afford health care) to have access to insurance.  Pretty much every other first-world country doesn’t have a problem with such a concept Mike Lee (and Rove, for that matter) is drumming up opposition because it’s good for their careers–and for donations.  Fortunately enough people in Congress have prevented repeal because their are enough people in Congress who recognize that while the ACA has flaws, the result is generally good, despite what drumbeaters like you say.
    Rove’s suggested to propose alternatives to the ACA is superior to Lee’s all-out obstructionism, because the Right’s lack of alternatives shows that their initiative is merely political.

  • USMC 64-68

    ChuloDO USMC 64-68  
    Interesting take you have on reality.  You found it amusing that, according to you, I’ve “turned against my own.”
    Well, to me, it’s not amusing, but sad that you’ve turned against your own.  Your support of a Marxist program belies your birthright as a free American.  
    How sad, that you’d work against the principles of our country’s founding and support something from the communist, socialist, totalitarian, cesspool of tyranny.

  • USMC 64-68

    ChuloDO 57thunderbird  
    If you can’t discern the tyranny inherent in a gov’t program that uses the power of government to force people into programs against their free will, there’s little to be said that would open your eyes.
    Similarly, if you can’t accurately assess a program that the gov’t has taken on itself in direct violation of the Constitution, there’s little to be said about your ignorance of our country’s controlling law, i.e. the Constitution.
    That you could call government overreach, and the acquisition of private industry by the government a good thing reveals that you don’t possess the spirit of liberty, but rather are in harmony with those “tentacles” that you deny.
    Your kind of “ignorance” is inexcusable because it leads to only one of two conclusions – neither of which is good.  One, you are either completely deceived because you don’t really know the principles of the rule of law and liberty, or – Two, you are a subversive, working to undermine our nation in support of Dear Leader’s agenda of transforming America into a socialist State.

  • CoraCampbellBrush

    Senator Lee should not listen to Karl Rove. Politicians and the media need to stop giving Rove and anyone like him so much power. Allow politicians to do the job they were elected to do. There is a reason so many of Rove’s picks for politicians lost in the last election.