HOLY CRAP! Obama’s NSA collecting phone records on millions of Americans; Obama responds…sorta

Oh man, this is not good at all. Is it time to freak out yet?

GUARDIANExclusive: Top secret court order requiring Verizon to hand over all call data shows scale of domestic surveillance under Obama

The National Security Agency is currently collecting the telephone records of millions of US customers of Verizon, one of America’s largest telecoms providers, under a top secret court order issued in April.

The order, a copy of which has been obtained by the Guardian, requires Verizon on an “ongoing, daily basis” to give the NSA information on all telephone calls in its systems, both within the US and between the US and other countries.

The document shows for the first time that under the Obama administration the communication records of millions of US citizens are being collected indiscriminately and in bulk – regardless of whether they are suspected of any wrongdoing.

The secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (Fisa) granted the order to the FBI on April 25, giving the government unlimited authority to obtain the data for a specified three-month period ending on July 19.

Under the terms of the blanket order, the numbers of both parties on a call are handed over, as is location data, call duration, unique identifiers, and the time and duration of all calls. The contents of the conversation itself are not covered.

The disclosure is likely to reignite longstanding debates in the US over the proper extent of the government’s domestic spying powers.

KEEP READING…

I’m not with Verizon, but it wouldn’t surprise me if later we found out that Obama is requiring the other telecoms to hand over the same data.

Also, Obama has already weighed in on the latest news…sorta:

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  • badbadlibs

    It was time to “freak out” the day the crapsandwich prez was elected in 08. This administration is being directed by hell itself. They will do what they want, when they want and how they want. They are arrogant by no accident. They feel empowered by hell itself and they are….for now.

    • Laurel A

      badbadlibs Wonder how many people are fooling themselves right now this minute saying they wouldn’t take their phone information…what would they want with ‘my’ information?!
      I have Verizon and I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if they have my records.

      • steprock

        And who says they didn’t or wont be getting other carriers too? You have to stand up for each other or you won’t have any rights yourself.
        The thought they pulled my data makes me furious, so I should feel the same for Verizon customers. Down with tyrants!!

        • steprock I’m changing mine to carrier pigeon.

        • Laurel A

          steprock Oh you can bet they will get all of the providers.

    • TIMERUNNERSC

      The US Senate & Congress had to know about this/ these  program. Now we know what a portion of the stimulos is all about.  all this other crap we are hearing is justa smoke screen so they can continue their treasonous activities.
      I’m sure we heard today the SCOUS said it is now legal for police to swab for DNA when one is arrested, and by the way if your found innocent the governemt gets to keep your DNA.

      • badbadlibs

        TIMERUNNERSC You see it all happening at break neck speed, yet it all just seems so surreal.
        satan was re-elected. “Once is a mistake, twice is a habit”. You want it, America…you got it.

  • Laurel A

    So what next? Collecting blog data? Bet they have collected every word we have posted on the web. Wouldn’t surprise me in the least. We already know they get our emails.

    Time to get a burner phone.

    I guess 1984 was a handbook.

    • Laurel A Can’t get all of us and they know it. Little chickenchits are terrified no more than ever. This little ply of theirs with the IRS is pissing off everybody and that wasn’t their plan. 
      Can’t wait for Alabam Supreme Court Judge to rull Obama’s B/C a fraud. Fan meet excrement.

  • mike3e4r7

    Wow, that guy is a great actor.  The way he talks about defending the constitution  like he really meant it.  Impressive the way he was able to step into a role so foreign from his own personal beliefs, and act as if he really believed it.  Give this man an Oscar!  Then throw him in jail.

    • The Sentinel

      mike3e4r7 
      Why not? He got a Nobel Prize just for existing…

      • mike3e4r7

        Good point!

  • Stehekin912

    I wonder if those dumbbunny college students will send ThatGuy a nice thank you note.

  • The Sentinel

    Well, I guess we can skip the “dictator wannabe” title and can now call him a full on “Dicktator” now.
    HOW IS THIS LEGAL?
    Why isn’t anyone stopping any of this from happening?

    • badbadlibs

      The Sentinel  Why isn’t anyone stopping??? Well, it’s because it isn’t Pres. Bush doing this…silly. 😉

      • The Sentinel

        badbadlibs The Sentinel  
        Point taken. 🙁

    • YoJoe

      The Sentinel  
      STOP WHAT?
      Nothing to see here – Move along!

    • Orangeone

      The Sentinel Who established that court?

  • DCGere

    I bet Obama phones are exempt.

  • YoJoe

    The NSA is building the LARGEST SPY CENTER ever 
    The GOAL is to be able to INTERCEPT EVERY PHONE CALL made in the USA
    http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/03/ff_nsadatacenter/
    or http://www.google.com/#gs_rn=16&gs_ri=psy-ab&gs_mss=nsa%20new%20fa&suggest=p&cp=11&gs_id=1d&xhr=t&q=nsa+new+facility&es_nrs=true&pf=p&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&oq=nsa+new+fac&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.47534661,d.dmg&fp=5bd145500fad8bd6&biw=1586&bih=902
    Alex Jones may not be crazy after all!

    • badbadlibs

      Thanks for the info, Jo. Wow, we’re in deep now.

    • Stehekin912

      2+2=5  I love Big Brother…  2+2=5   I love Big Brother….

    • K-Bob

      YoJoe I should searched before commenting!  I keep this article on speed dial.

  • badbadlibs

    Dear Jesus, make us ready.

    • Stehekin912

      Make us ready to stand together and fight this abomination

  • RhondaThompsonMcconahy

    he needs to go! Done with Obama and his lame exscuses!

  • GRITSMama

    Yes, it’s time….

  • njmom

    Obama has become Satan’s puppet and must be stopped NOW! It’s not time to freak out but it is time for all of uis to join together and demand our God given rights and liberties.

    • MiltonBassHayek

      njmom and Stalin’s puppet

    • bfunk

      njmom AMEN! Just like those brave people who stood before the congressional committee and told the gov’t they’ve gone too far! I’m ready for some MLK-style sit-ins and protesting!

  • steprock

    Yeah. Bush sucks, huh?

    • bfunk

      steprock I didn’t like the guy, but I’d take three of him over this scumbag.

  • CassieCarter

    I despise/h*t* this SOB antichrist like nothing else, never h*t*d another human before now, it’s ok because satan is evil.
    this is a speech he gave in 2007….what a piece of crappy trash this thug is, disgusting and wifey is even more disgusting sometimes.  I pray for their removal ASAP

  • famouswolf

    ‘a specified three-month period ending on July 19’
    This worries me. Maybe they are getting ready to go for the brass ring this summer.

  • tina86

    But, but the Liar and Chief said he believes in civil liberates.

  • K-Bob

    It’s time once again to link the Wired article from March of 2012, titled:http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/03/ff_nsadatacenter/all/
    By the way, anyone harboring a shred of doubt over whether the I R S harassment of the right had any ties with barack or his campaign can now set them permanently aside:
    http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2013/06/confirmed-irs-scandal-tied-directly-to.html (Doug Ross – The economy charts boss!)
    We need to tear down this Administration, and Restore the original intent of the Constitution.  If we don’t do both, we are truly doomed.
    (By the way by the way, Doug Ross has another great economy chart up.)

  • MiltonBassHayek

    No more…….unless they are conservatives.

  • stage9

    Sorry Mr Franklin, no, we could not keep the Republic.

  • bfunk

    Scumbags! Your time has come, but it’s that much closer to ending!

  • This shouldnt be news to people esp since a couple NSA whistleblowers came forward! NSA has been engaged in this data collection for a while  This data is all being stored at the center in Utah… http://savingtherepublic.com/blog/2012/05/nsa-spying-on-all-americans/

      • TIMERUNNERSC

        I noticed the many references in the video to E.Germany. etc.
        thanks for posting the link.

      • TIMERUNNERSC

        We now know whatthe stimulous money was all about.

    • TIMERUNNERSC

      the us Senate and the congress had to know about these programs. Now we know what the stimulous money is all about. we now understand what all these smoke screems we see every day are about, They are he cover up.

    • TIMERUNNERSC

      the us senate and the congress had to know about these programs. Now we know what the stimulous was all about. & now the daily smoke screens we see, is the cover up by the government.

    • TIMERUNNERSC

      3 times here, I have post a reply and just when I click on post the message is gone. hum!

    • TIMERUNNERSC

      NOw we know whatthe stimulous spending was all about.  US Sentae and Congress had to know about these programs to spy on Amaericans.

    • TIMERUNNERSC

      we now know what the stimulous spending was all about.

  • jazzee

    is there a lawyer in here?? WHY can’t we file a class action lawsuit invasion of privacy or something??????

    • YoJoe

      jazzee 
      There was – I don’t know where he went

      • Bac Si68

        YoJoe jazzee Joe, his remains will wash up sooner or later.

  • jazzee

    landscaper I do too and intend to contact them about this in the am

  • SheerPolitics

    This WH is a rotting, wormy apple.

  • SheerPolitics

    What I want to know is why can I only find the real news in the UK press. And the liberal Guardian at that! Never seems to make it in the US papers…funny that.

    • Las1

      SheerPolitics   Yeah.. I noticed that the Guardian (caugh*!… bletch) and the Daily Mail seem to report items that the Democrat Media Complex front media groups simply won’t report.  From Great Britain no less… how ironic!

  • froggy19510

    At the risk of sounding cleched. CAUTION BIG BROTHER IS LISTENING TO YOU!

  • shilo

    I swear I saw the number 666 scroll across the screen.

  • SheerPolitics

    landscaper  And since they were collecting both the caller’s number and the one being called it’s likely not just Verizon involved even if the other carriers weren’t releasing our records like a bunch of scared little babies. 
    Verizon, you’ll NEVER get my business.

    • steprock

      Good point: it was BOTH sides of the line, not just VZN

  • Hey Obama you un-American asshole, remember this?
    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be
    violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized..

  • WhiteGuy2

    Well if this isn’t proof enough, with all of the other violations to date, that we have a dictator in the making.

    • CarolynDixon

      WhiteGuy2 we sure do and cowards in the house and senate who refuse to impeach the dicatator.  and now graham says bloggers shouldn’t be called journalists.  in other words no freedom of press applied to anyone who bloggs.

    • CarolynDixon

      WhiteGuy2 we sure do and cowards in the house and senate who refuse to impeach the dicatator.  and now graham says bloggers shouldn’t be called journalists.  in other words no freedom of press applied to anyone who bloggs.

    • kong1967

      WhiteGuy2  In the making?  I think he’s been a dictator all along.  He’s just had something in his way…..the Constitution.  Never mind that.  He’s working on destroying that as we speak.

  • 1vote

    Did he say “this administration acts like violating civil liberties….” ?  Has he gone mad ?

  • TIMERUNNERSC

    Now we should have a clear understanding what the stimulous spending was all about.

  • TIMERUNNERSC

    The supreme court has rule that the police can swab your DNA if you are arrested if your found innocent they still keep your DNA. Seems the government has gong completely rogue.

    • kong1967

      TIMERUNNERSC   I’m not sure where I fall on this right now.  But….they keep your fingerprints, too.  So what’s the difference between DNA and fingerprints?  If it was an anal probe I’d understand, but is swabbing the inside of your mouth so invasive that it should be banned? 
      Just looking for insight, because….like I said….I haven’t decided where I stand as of yet.

      • CarolynDixon

        kong1967 TIMERUNNERSC My husband is retired military so his fingerprints should already be on file..right? well when we adopted our first child, we had to be fingerprinted.  You would think my husband would not have had to go through this procedure.  Well 4 years later, we adopted our second child and guess what?  we had to go through the fingerprinting process all over again.  Had we robbed a bank or murdered someone our fingerprints would have immediately appeared.  This was just another way for our government to extract money from us.

        • kong1967

          CarolynDixon TIMERUNNERSC  But they aren’t making any money off swabbing a prisoner’s mouth for DNA.  Most crime is being committed by repeat offenders, and sex predators never rehabilitate.  The DNA helps them solve a lot of murders, rape, and other crimes by criminals that are already in the system.  Without it, many of these repeat offenders will not be caught and will continue until they are.
          When you go to prison, you basically lose your civil rights, right?  Or am I wrong?  
          I’ve never been arrested in my life and this only applies to those that do get arrested.
          At the moment I’m not against it, but I am open to changing my mind if I hear good reasons to.

        • Bac Si68

          kong1967 CarolynDixon TIMERUNNERSC Kong, I just received a registered  letter from my homeowners assoc.  advising me not to leave my garbage can next to my house.  I have lived here for 25years and never received any reprimands.  Just driving around my subdivision I have seen numerous infractions of the rules.  They have not been corrected, so i assume they were not notified.  I do not trust the Government(more now than in the past) I do not believe they are entitled to any personal information that I have not volunteered to them.

  • Valin

    The secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (Fisa) granted the
    order to the FBI on April 25, giving the government unlimited authority
    to obtain the data for a specified three-month period ending on July 19.

  • yazz55

    Rolling Stones did this song almost 40 yrs ago – Fingerprint File
    http://www.songmeanings.net/songs/view/45109/
    Not 100% sure all the words are correct on that webpage.  But you get what Mick Jagger’s singing about.

    But is sure is extremely relevant today.

  • kong1967

    I don’t know if they collect names attached to the phone numbers, but it really doesn’t matter.  If they find a target they will be able to find out his phone number and branch out from him to find everyone he’s associated with.   
    Am I going off the deep end of wild conspiracy theory?  You tell me.  This is what the IRS was attempting to do by asking Tea Party leaders to identify donors and contacts.  Does anyone here trust Obama not to abuse his power this way?  I don’t.

  • fireme

    Do they check on you if you have a free Obamaphone? Do I now put Verizon on my boycott list?

    • fireme   pretty sure they have all the records fireme.  I think were down to soup cans and string.  Of course you just got to know they will create a  string usage fee.

      • ImacowgirlinTucson

        Wonder if those who have a contract with verizon can cancel now that they (verizon) broke the agreement by handing over our records..lol.

        • ImacowgirlinTucson   Good point.  I think I’ll make a call about my Bundle.

  • ConservativeFromHell

    PLEASE STOP spreading this story!  I believe it is a scam designed to destroy the credibility of conservative blogs.  Look at the name of the judge who supposedly signed the “top secret” order.  The same judge who ruled Obamacare unconstitutional.  Do some research first.  Everyone is running with this story and it’s going to be a major embarrassment.

    • Rshill7

      ConservativeFromHell
      A major embarrassment for whom?
      CNN is reporting it too: http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/05/politics/nsa-verizon-records/index.html

      • PhillyCon
      • FutureOnePercent

        Rshill7 ConservativeFromHell That article came with a caveat “CNN has so far been unable to independently verify the authenticity of the document.”

        • Rshill7

          FutureOnePercent Rshill7 ConservativeFromHell  It’s an early article. Everyone has been reporting it all day, even Fox. The White House is even defending it. House and Senate members have been talking about to reporters all day too.
          Where the heck have you been? Are the IRS hearings a hoax too?

        • FutureOnePercent

          I don’t believe that it’s a hoax, I’m just saying we need to be careful because our critics would love nothing more than making us look stupid.
          Trust but verify, right?

    • ConservativeFromHell   Guess we all know what GB was talking about when he keep pounding the Data Storage Facility in Utah for the past year and a half.  Pretty sure the story’s ligit CFH even MSNBC is going with the story, but the spin they are using is the headline. White House defends the gathering of phone records from Verizon.

    • CarolynDixon

      ConservativeFromHell NO IT IS NOT.  IF YOU GO TO DRUDGE REPORT CLICK ON THE STORY AND THEY HAVE A LINK TO THE ACTUAL COURT ORDER ISSUED ON APRIL 12, 2013.

      • ConservativeFromHell

        CarolynDixon ConservativeFromHell  Seems to me Dan Rather got fooled by a forgery too.  I’m just saying be careful.  It’s the judge that has me doubting the story.

  • DINOright

    Thankfully, we have the UK media reporting on things; otherwise; we would not know what our own government is doing to us!  Sounds kinda like the US news and UK news during the Nazi era…….the German people would not listen to Nazi news reporting, only the reports from outside – they trusted the UK and US reporting most of all.  How far we have fallen!

    How sad.  Thank you, Daily Mail, UK Guardian, and the others………get the truth out, and put the journ0lister fellow-travelers here to SHAME!

  • PhillyCon

    Waiting for the civil libertarians to start criticizing …..

    • Rshill7

      PhillyCon  Pitch a tent.

  • haffwm

    Who cares…..really….if your doing nothing wrong then why does this matter? Seriously people….if you’re a good American citizen you have NOTHING to worry about. On a second note, its not the contents of the call, just the call history & timestamps, data etc….basically anything that would affect and or raise red flags to the NSA, how does this hurt us ?

    • notebene

      haffwm It’s another infringement on your civil rights!  If you are this ignorant, please get your butt to the local library and check out books on how the communist movement took root.  Read the histories of Russia, Cuba, Venezuela, and China.  Our government is abusing it’s power and our system of laws prohibits this behavior.  Our government WAS created with a system of checks and balances to protect citzens against this very type of tyranny against its citizens.  Even if you aren’t breaking any laws and have nothing to hide, don’t believe for a second that this behavior from your government is not malevolent!

      • haffwm

        notebene haffwm CarolynDixon  issue here is this…you don’t own the data they are collecting…the cell phone provider which you pay for each month does…they legally can do what they want with it. This is completely different then someone coming into your home etc…you guys are way off base and personally attacking my opinion shows a high level of maturity.

        • notebene

          haffwm notebene CarolynDixon You may want to go back and read your cell phone contract.  Those records being shared are no different than a doctor sharing your personal information without your consent.  Ignorance describes someone who glaringly has no idea about a topic yet comments on it.

        • kong1967

          haffwm  Although you are not correct about the phone company being able to do whatever it wants with your records, we’ll assume that it is.  They did not give up this data willingly.  The government forcefully took it from them.  The government does not own those records and has no business seizing them.

        • badbadlibs

          haffwm  And YOU are the very reason this evil administration is allowed to get away with murder. Find a way to defend it’s indefensible actions against the American citizen and our freedoms. Those freedoms are being stripped away day by day. Stop giving them cover. Stop.

        • Conservative_Hippie

          kong1967 haffwm Excellent point!

      • deTocqueville1

        notebene haffwm Exactly!

    • CarolynDixon

      haffwm baffoon, try invasion of privacy and FREEDOM OF SPEECH.

    • Rshill7

      haffwm  
      Let me just say this in a language you might understand: 
      Oink!
      The workmen will be over in 20 minutes to install cameras and microphones in every room of your house, including your shower stall. Won’t hurt you a bit…unless you skip washing behind your pink little ears.

    • PhillyCon

      haffwm Let me guess, you had no problem with the Patriot Act.  You also would be consistent and not criticize the Bush Administration for a similar action, right?

    • kong1967

      haffwm  Think about what Obama is doing to the Tea Party groups.  He is using the IRS to target them and silence them.  Part of the many things they illegally do is gather information on who their contacts and donors are.  Donors run away and the government has a network of contacts they can also target.  They ask if anyone is running for office in the future.  Target.
      Apply this to the seizure of your phone records.  They may not have the content of what’s in your conversation, but they have your phone number and everyone you contact.  Very easy to build a network of people to target.
      This is proving to be true with how Obama is using the IRS, so it’s not much of a stretch to believe they would use the records like this.  Even if you think that’s unrealistic, this is what our Constitution protects us from.   This will usher in tyranny.

    • tina86

      Oh yes, another big government liberal not concerned about the government spying on their citizens. No wonder Barack does what he does.

    • volsense

      haffwm Itg is not a matter if you are doing anything wrong or not in your own eyes, it is judgement being made by unkown sources determining how to use your basic thoughts  against you.  It was evident in the IRS requesting this same information as basis to dtermine whether you received a positive or negative result in your requests.  Your willingness to expose your inner thoughts and expressions  to those who claim the right to judge your future actions is naivete’ that dictators dream of.  Thank God the majority of Americans will reject control of their personal lives, but those who think like you are not a part of the problem, you are the problem.  Those who give their freedoms willingly because of an “omnipotence” endocrinated into them from whatever source, will be the tools exploited to remove the freedoms we take for granted.

      • haffwm

        volsense haffwm so I am not entitled to my own opinion? I am not afraid of the government because I am not some right wing conservative…nor am I a left wing liberal. The fact of the matter is you have nothing to fear except for fear itself. You want to sit here and claim the government is infringing upon your rights….Yet you expect the government to protect you against terror attacks & when something happens and they were not able to you blame them. Make up your mind and don’t judge others affiliations and opinions on the matter.

        • ImacowgirlinTucson

          So are you saying haffwm.. that right wing conservatives should be afraid of obama?  Well you’re right there..after all he set the IRS after us.. 
          Yes, the government is suppose to protect the U.S. of America and her citizens against terrorist attacts, that was a very silly statement.. and one has nothing to do with the other..

        • ImacowgirlinTucson    She’s gone cowgirl.  That cute little girl avatar didn’t fool anybody.  She or he tried to quell the storm of information to no avail.

    • ImacowgirlinTucson

      Haffwm,
      It is just another cog in the wheel of this socialist, power hugry, arrogant president..and how each day they infringe on our rights..think about the abuse of power obama and his czars have used in the last 4 plus years..what can you be thinking..or drinking?

    • haffwm   guess that all depends on who is determining what is right and wrong.  Besides, with three posts here, my guess you are a working off a different set of talking points than most people here.  I know, were just right wing nut jobs in the corner hats.

    • FutureOnePercent

      haffwm So you wouldn’t mind someone outside your house taking pictures of you and your family through your window then right? Who cares if you’re doing nothing wrong? You’ve got nothing to hide right? Only people who have something to hide would be bothered by this. How does that hurt you?
      It’s the principle of privacy, either you have a right to privacy or you don’t.
      I used to be the same way in regards to the Patriot Act. “Hey, if you’re not a terrorist, you’ve got nothing to worry about.” That was naive and foolish, and I’ve had to learn a lot to understand what the principle behind it was.
      If you’re giving in one time, you’re giving away 100% of the principle.

      • haffwm

        FutureOnePercent haffwm first person that actually had an opinion on my opinion instead of bashing what I said with mine. Thankyou for your insight FutureOnePercent

    • deTocqueville1

      haffwm This is the banality which is always employed by tyrants to rationalize their actions and used to make citizens feel guilty about defending and protecting personal liberty.

    • Conservative_Hippie

      haffwm Ever hear of Freedom and Liberty?  How about Government Intrusion?  I’m sure you mean well, but if this is true, it’s bordering on Nazi Germany stuff!

    • westernhunter

      haffwm Please think about this.
       Ever wonder how Hitler, Stalin etc got away with the things they did.  How could people not see the evil that was happening.  They convinced people that what they were doing was for the good, then it was too late when the people wised up to what was happening.
      We have let our politicians pass laws because we did not think what would happen if someone took that same law an abused it.  Our laws are so filled with loop holes that the average person can not understand the meaning of them.  Now we have a attorney general and executive branch that is so corrupt they can get away with anything and it won’t be too many years that they will have complete control over everyone’s lives..

  • I wonder how many of the men who scaled Point du Hoc on this day 69 years ago today would have done so had they known that this is what their country would look like now?

    • Rshill7

      americalsgt 
      Zero.

    • volsense

      americalsgt From One 11Bravo to hopefully another, what we and our brothers have fought and died for was not to have our basic freedoms stripped from us by dictators from abroad that had the control of the masses as their obsession.  Now that it is obvious this control obsession is coming from within it is even more dangerous than ever thought.  The American people’s way of life is about to change in ways never before thought. When the United States falls, the last bastion of freedom in the world will cease to exist.

      • volsense americalsgt   Well said – going to guess you are from TN.  But like you 11 Bravo.  I remember a 20 or 40 after it but don’t remember the designation.  There is no question that the situation is out of control, and I think more and more of what will come from the ashes when it happens.

      • haffwm

        volsense americalsgt they are not listnening to your conversations…its just call logs etc. Read the article

    • deTocqueville1

      americalsgt Beautifully stated juxtaposition!

  • notebene

    Well isn’t this rich!  Our “transparent” government is spying on us!  They may not be “transparent”, but it is apparent that they have thrown the laws of this nation out the window!  Impeachment is in order here, however we don’t have anyone representing the citizens of the US anymore.  Our system of checks and balances is clearly broken!

    • deTocqueville1

      notebene Entirely predictable though.

  • ConservativeFromHell

    I’m not buying this story just yet. Supposedly, a federal judge, appointed by Ronald Reagan, with just 3 weeks remaining on his 7-year appointment to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, who made news by ruling Obamacare unconstitutional, who has been labeled a Tea Party judge by the media, signed an order forcing Verizon to turn over ALL telephone records for ALL 181 million Verizon customers for every call made or received between 4/25/13 and July 19, 2013. Either Judge Vinson was convinced that the country was in grave and immediate danger or this story is a massive hoax.

    • ImacowgirlinTucson

      Conservative, Why do you think it’s a hoax?  Because it was this “tea party” judge that ordered it? Thanks.

      • ConservativeFromHell

        ImacowgirlinTucson  I read the so-called “top secret” order and it just doesn’t pass the smell test.  We’ve seen high-profile forgeries of “official” documents in the past and I just think we should proceed with caution.  Why the Guardian seek out AL GORE for a comment on this story before anyone else???  This story is so bizarre it could have been published by the Onion.

        • stage9

          ConservativeFromHell ImacowgirlinTucson Then why is the Guardian being investigated if it’s a hoax?

    • notebene

      ConservativeFromHell Here is a sick thought, but I would not put it past this malevolent administration…what if Judge Vinson allowed this because this crew has something on him?  They are pros at creating a scandal and all it takes to convince the average low info voter is to see it in print…especially when it comes to conservatives.  Progressives do not deal in facts or truth…they deal in perverted half-truths and flat outrageous lies.

      • jimtrees1234

        notebene ConservativeFromHell Was he the 1st, 2nd, 3rd  or 4th judge they asked?

    • deTocqueville1

      ConservativeFromHell It is not about the judge it is about the legislation which both the Bush administration and Obama’s have passed with the broad support of both parties. The statutes have provided for the very broad and undefined delegation of what is in fact egislative power to ‘expert’ bureaucrats working in the ‘security’ field. That power permits the invasive actions which are being revealed and which affect the freedom and liberty of the individual.

      • ConservativeFromHell

        deTocqueville1 ConservativeFromHell I respectfully disagree.  The reason a judge is involved at all is to provide the balance of power necessary for our country to work as intended by the US Constitution.  The judge gave the order.  Verizon should have protested the order on behalf of its customers.  Apparently they did not.  Congress has granted the power but has not taken its oversight role seriously.  The bottom line is … we are screwed!

    • lawngreen

      They collected them digitally. Snap your fingers, click your heels twice, and you have a backup copy. There is no way they will erase every copy they have. It’s the same as turning something loose on the internet – it is out there forever.

  • Conniption Fitz

    The only things Leftist Fascist types are good at is oppression and destruction – oh and looting (aka theft and corruption).
    HERE’S Obama’s record on one of the many ways his policies have affected employment:
    http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2013/06/minimum-wage-hikes-and-obamacare-obamas.html

  • deTocqueville1

    Some of us have warned that the broad intrusive and invasive powers granted by the Patriot Act and FISA were much too prone to abuse. This leaking among many other clear signs shows we were correct and that we face tyranny and totalitarianism unless we awaken to the factual consequences of this rush to ‘security’ at the expense of liberty..

  • tinlizzieowner

    haffwm 
    “Who cares…..really….if your doing nothing wrong then why does this matter?”.
    If
    I have to try to explain that to you, you’re a frog in a pot of water,
    on the stove and you don’t have the intellect to grasp that the water in
    the pot is getting warmer. 
    😉 😉

    • tinlizzieowner haffwm   read something at another site and maybe someone said it here as well, but if the war on terror is over, and Al Qaeda is on the run, why do we need a facility the size of RI in UT gathering information on possible terrorists in America?

  • lawngreen

    It’s not time to freak out. It’s time to saddle up. Torches and pitchforks time.
    Someone write us a good song about the proper use of torches and pitchfork in solving politicians.

  • Anyone know if the Tsarnaev brothers used Verizon?

  • stage9

    Rep. Jim Sensenbrenner(R.,Wis.), an author of the Patriot Act, sent a letter to Attorney General Eric Holderprotesting the broad collection of phone records and arguing that it violates the law.
     “As the author of the Patriot Act, I am extremely troubled by the FBI’s interpretation of this legislation,” Mr. Sensenbrenner said in a statement. “While I believe the Patriot Act appropriately balanced national security concerns and civil rights, I have always worried about potential abuses. The Bureau’s broad application for phone records was made under the so-called business records provision of the Act. I do not believe the broadly drafted FISA order is consistent with the requirements of the Patriot Act. Seizing phone records of millions of innocent people is excessive and un-American.”
    http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2013/06/06/congress-reacts-to-nsa-surveillance-of-phone-records/

    • westernhunter

      stage9  
      I heard the Rep speak on TV.  The left will use this like they did the “gun running” program of President Bush. Not the same as Holder program, but they still said it was a President Bush program.  Always someone else fault.  They will say this was started under President Bush.

        It all comes down to who interprets the laws.   The problem we have is the corrupt person enforcing our laws (or not enforcing).

  • YoJoe

    Lying dASTARD!

  • Conservative_Hippie

    I’m with Verizon and I’m ticked off!!!!

  • tinlizzieowner

    When Obama was elected, the first thing he did (with the help of a Democratically controlled Congress) was to shove his ‘Affordable? Healthcare Act’ down our throats and his puppet Pelosi said “We have to pass thid bill to see what’s in it”.
    Well, we did and we are beginning to see that it has it’s tentacles in everybody’s pie. The IRS is going to implement it and Lord have mercy on you, if you don’t comply to their way of thinking. We haven’t even seen the beginnings of this yet, wait till next year.

    • tinlizzieowner

      jimmyinoregon tinlizzieowner  
      Jimmy, I don’t expect you to but it might come as a surprise to you that I agree with you on ‘The Patriot Act’. Obama said the war on terrorism was over, he got Bin Laden. By his own admission, we don’t need the Patriot Act anymore.

      Patriot act not withstanding, we have a government that has it’s fingers in your phone records, reporters e-mails, your charitable contributions and we don’t even know what else? The Nixon Administration was a bunch of amateurs compared to this administration.

      George Orwell would be proud on Barry. 😉

      • tinlizzieowner

        jimmyinoregontinlizzieowner
        ” Bush’s “war on terror” was a never ending, money making war,…”
        I though the left called it ‘a war for oil’?
        If you think my 27 Model T is cool, you ought to see my my ‘chopped’ 1960 Rambler with the flame paint job and the Chevy 350 V8 in it. 😉 The Rambler in this video IS my car.http://youtu.be/uSKNphWEXjQ

      • tinlizzieowner

        jimmyinoregon tinlizzieowner  
        I think we might have accidentally found some common ground. I’m a ‘Ford Guy’ too. There’s a very long story about how I ended up with the Rambler. Among the many Fords I’ve owned over the years there’s a 37 Ford Coupe, 51 Ford Victoria, a 51 Ford Country Squire (woody) and a 65 Mustang 289, 4-speed, Coupe. 🙂

      • tinlizzieowner

        jimmyinoregontinlizzieowner 
        “I think the “powers that be” are trying to divide us so that we do their dirty work for them.”
        Correct again. 😉
        I was just as tough on the last administration as I am on this one but there is a difference. You can’t criticize this administration without being labeled ‘Racist’, ‘Sexist’ or ‘Homophobic’. ;-(

      • DebbyX

        tinlizzieowner jimmyinoregon That song cracks me up, I needed a laugh today……..Thanks.

      • tinlizzieowner

        jimmyinoregon tinlizzieowner 
        Let’s discuss the hypocrisy of race and let’s use that video. Do you really think that if the races in that video were reversed and a distraught White woman had thrown rocks and turned her dogs loose on a Black reporter, the reaction of the media and the communities involved would have been the same? I don’t. Does the name Rodney King ring a bell? 😉

      • tinlizzieowner

        jimmyinoregon tinlizzieowner 
        I have a degree in Telecommunications/Journalism and a little on-air radio time under my belt, long ago.
        Media rule #1. ‘If it bleeds, it leads’. That said, the media does shape public opinion.

      • tinlizzieowner

        jimmyinoregon
        Cool, kind of like on WKRP in Cincinnati ?
        No, more like boring, mundane, PBS kind of stuff. I used to be a liberal a long time ago, too but I finally out grew it. 😉 😉

      • tinlizzieowner

        jimmyinoregon tinlizzieowner 
        I might be a ‘Right Wing, Neo-Con, Fascist, War Monger’ (and proud of it) but I also watch PBS, NPR, and read the likes of the Huffington Post, Move On .org and Media Matters.
        “Know your enemy like you know your self”.
        Sun Tsu, ‘The Art of War’. 😉 😉

      • tinlizzieowner

        jimmyinoregon tinlizzieowner 
        Merely repeating the name I’m often called for posting reasonable replies to topics on left wing sites, like you do here, (before my IP is usually banned).
        😉 😉

      • Valin

        tinlizzieowner
        A couple of quick points
         A. You’re overdue on your dues to the Association of Right Wing Neo-Con War Mongers of America. So if you could just send that $200.00 check to to to me that would be great…thanks.
        B. Just an FYI I believe it’s your tun to bring donuts to the next meeting.

  • K-Bob

    jimmyinoregon That’s just the inverse of people claiming that “Bush did it too” when justifying barack’s crap.
    Just because the left always takes something and jacks it all out of proportion, turning everything they touch into a totalitarian’s dream, doesn’t mean the thing they screwed up was all bad to begin with.
    They like to say Bush gave away phones, too. And that’s somehow supposed to justify the Dems pumping millions into that program to turn it into a vote-buying scheme–with no oversight–where whole crates of those phones were delivered to individuals in sketchy places who didn’t have to sign for them.

    You can make that same comparison to everything they touch.  If it existed before, they find a way to turn it into a payback scheme to maintain power.

    • K-Bob

      jimmyinoregon K-Bob I’ll happily admit I never analyzed the patriot act, because it was obviously going to pass, back when it was new. So I left it up to the Civil Libertarians out there to look at and write about. 
      Over the years, reading their complaints, I’ve felt the Act was probably sixty things established, when only twenty were really needed.  But like Michelle Malkin and many other conservatives I actually respect (unlike Krauthammer), I still think much of the Patriot Act was necessary.
      Of course, like EVERY FREAKING THING they do in DC, it had crap buried in it that was a time bomb waiting for some despot like barack to exploit.  So my point was that the act itself was a typically flawed piece of legislation, but much of it was necessary–especially the snooping on phone calls from the Middle East.
      But what we have today, with barack and his corps of psychopathic cronies and their burgeoning police state really can’t be tied to the Patriot Act.  That particular Act is but one small instrumentality they have expanded far beyond its original scope, along with all other aspects of government, to the point that whatever it was during the Bush years has little to do with what any of it is now.

      Granted you are correct in a philosophical sense, where once people start down the road to serfdom, it’s d*mned difficult to stop.  But with normal politics, we should be able to tolerate some fuzzy accretions to the body of Free Market Capitalism and the supremacy of Individual Liberty.  Every ship gets its barnacles.
      To stick with that nautical analogy: we should have blasted the barnacles off every five years.  Instead, we have a ship of state that is so heavily loaded in the accretions of years of barnacles, that it looks like one gigantic barnacle colony, and can barely stay afloat at all.

    • K-Bob

      jimmyinoregonK-Bob
      “I think you only see what you want to see. ”
      Whatever. Way to deny the entire argument of the other guy.  Not much point in continuing this conversation if you refuse to give credence to anyone’s thoughts but your own.

    • K-Bob

      jimmyinoregon K-Bob 
      I see you didn’t mean it as an insult, but not all of us are guilty of confirmation bias all the time.  And yes, it is far more sinister.
      Statism drives the left, but Statism is a problem that has solid roots on the political right.  The old tendency for people of faith to try and enforce their way of life by law is where it mostly manifests, but it also lives among those on the right who engage in contests of power.
      However, the left is a different sort of crowd entirely from the right.  Their belief in “the common good” as an excuse for acts of personal destruction is the main separator between the two. Few on the right condone the use of government to take away anyone’s liberty.  Most on the left believe it to be a “necessary evil” that has to be done to “serve the common good.”  From that one crucial difference a great evil springs forth, again and again; and each time, it seems to bring large-scale misery, ruin, and death.
      Yes, the left would happily drag me off to a gulag in the dark of night, if it would help secure their power base.  Some on the right might do so as well, but those are few, and easily spotted.

  • tina86

    The NSA whisteblower is a hero. Those PRISm slides are just two months old.

  • westernhunter

    This is the 4th amendment of the Constitution, where is the debate and process on the Amendment to the Constitution if that is what they want to do.  This is the problem we have now,  we do not follow the Constitution.

    • froggy19510

      westernhunter
      Amendment IV
      The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

  • Conniption Fitz

    Actually, crap ain’t holy.  It’s blasphemous to say it is.

    • CaseyGeorge

      Conniption Fitz hold on tight.  It would hurt to fall off your high horse.

  • GonzaGuerra7

    Yeah sure, fuck civil rights. Who needs them anyway!

    I still can’t believe you American people made such a fuzz about Clinton’s Affair, but are so willing to accept the total eradication of your rights.

    America used to be the land of the free, used to be a perfect democracy.

    The lightness and unawareness of American People’s reaction regarding the implications of these actions taken by the Government is simply unbelievable.

    Slowly, but constantly, American Citizens are being stripped from their rights, and the dignity that comes with them.

    The politic force in USA has become one of tyrants, an authoritarianism. One which, slowly but steadily, loses every guarantee in protecting YOU, tax-paying law-binding citizen, your rights. Not only the right to privacy, the right of the assumption of innocence (it’s quite the opposite nowadays, you are guilty until proven otherwise) and of course your freedom. If you are under suspicious, you can and will be retained indeterminably, never minding your human rights.

    And to say all the wars declared in this past century, First World War, Second World War, Cold War, The War Against “Terror”. They were all done with the “excuse” of democracy and freedom. What a paradox !

    How many lives, american and foreign, military or innocent were taken? For what? For resigning rights at home? 

    To me, the most terrifying thing of all, it’s the government getting into your home, your work, your life, without your permission, and without you even knowing. Not doing anything wrong!

    99,9999999999% of the people being spied are NOT terrorist nor criminals. They are law-binding people. Their rights are being violated.

    And don’t get me wrong, I love American culture, art, and what used to be their ways and mentality. What used to be the land of the free, used to be a nation with vision, with great minds and scientists. Carl Sagan comes to mind, who I deeply admired.

    This stain WILL hunt American people for the rest of their lives, such as the Indian genocide or the Slavery Times. This will be shameful, and the People should act on it.

    We all know NOT ONE politician (who, by the way, only cares about their lobbies) will do anything about it. Obama WILL NOT take political responsibility. (That’s the World’s way. They all fuck you up, but no one takes responsibility for their actions).

    So what are you going to do? Business as usual? What does it take for you to react?

    The day will come, someday. We just can take so much bullying.