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“Institution of marriage should not exist” – Gay activist admits ‘we lie’ that marriage won’t change

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It’s not often you hear the truth from people who lie about their agendas, but here’s an instance in which gay activist, Masha Gessen, admits “we lie that the institution of marriage is not going to change” and further says she doesn’t believe it should exist at all (h/t: IFI):

“It’s a no-brainer that (homosexual activists) should have the right to marry, but I also think equally that it’s a no-brainer that the institution of marriage should not exist. …(F)ighting for gay marriage generally involves lying about what we are going to do with marriage when we get there — because we lie that the institution of marriage is not going to change, and that is a lie.

The institution of marriage is going to change, and it should change. And again, I don’t think it should exist. And I don’t like taking part in creating fictions about my life. That’s sort of not what I had in mind when I came out thirty years ago.

I have three kids who have five parents, more or less, and I don’t see why they shouldn’t have five parents legally… I met my new partner, and she had just had a baby, and that baby’s biological father is my brother, and my daughter’s biological father is a man who lives in Russia, and my adopted son also considers him his father. So the five parents break down into two groups of three… And really, I would like to live in a legal system that is capable of reflecting that reality, and I don’t think that’s compatible with the institution of marriage.”

It’s not about tolerance or acceptance, nor has it ever been. “We just want to get married too…” has always been a lie and it’s unfortunate that people on our side like Bill O’Reilly find it to be such a compelling argument. But this is just a smaller piece to a greater goal of tearing down the pillars of western civilization through cultural Marxism.

Many of you have seen this video but it is worth watching again as Bill Whittle explains the history and the goals of cultural Marxism:

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  • GiantM

    DUH!

  • texabama

    I believe homosexuality is the ultimate in narcissism.  It’s the closest way these individuals can make love to themselves  while having sex with someone else.  Reading the above transcript I am appalled on so many levels.  She and her “family” are dysfunctional on so many levels and no marriage or non-marriage will cure that.

    • Orangeone

      texabama Child abuse front and center.

  • bahamianhoosier

    “The father of my baby is my brother.”?????????!!!!!!! WHAT IS HEFFLAFFA IS THAT OK?! Good God we’re doomed!!!

    • JeffWRidge

      bahamianhoosier I think you misunderstood what was said. She said that her brother was the father of her new “partner’s” child, not her own child. In other words, her brother knocked up her girlfriend.

      • Orangeone

        JeffWRidge bahamianhoosier That still makes the child her brother’s child that she would be a parent of.  Sick and disgusting.

        • JeffWRidge

          Orangeone JeffWRidge bahamianhoosier I’m not sure why that is either sick or disgusting. One sibling raising another sibling’s child does not seem all that wrong. Possibly I am misunderstanding your meaning. 
          For me, the problem would be that she is in an unnatural relationship while raising the child. If that is what you mean, then we are in agreement.

        • Orangeone

          JeffWRidge Orangeone bahamianhoosier I am your parent and also your aunt.  This is your father who is also your uncle.  That is sick and disgusting.  This creatures are setting of the children for a lifetime of bullying, lack of self-identification and brainwashing that heterosexual relationships are abnormal.

        • JeffWRidge

          Orangeone JeffWRidge bahamianhoosier My maternal grandmother gave up the last child she gave birth to because her husband had died shortly before the child was born and Grandma didn’t feel that she could afford another mouth to feed. Grandma was old school and did not accept charity. She was barely able feed to her other children on the money she could earn. She did what she had to. 
          Her brother and his wife took in the child and raised her as if she were their own. My aunt grew up knowing who her mother was and the circumstances of how she came to be raised by her uncle. She grew up to become a nurse and a fine human being. 
          There was nothing sick or disgusting about that.

        • Orangeone

          JeffWRidge Orangeone bahamianhoosier not even close to comparable to the disgusting actions of the lesbian creatures

        • JeffWRidge

          Orangeone JeffWRidge bahamianhoosier I’m sorry, but you are confusing me. I stated that if your objection to this woman raising the child was based on her being in an unnatural relationship that I agreed with you. In your reply to me you wrote: 
          “I am your parent and also your aunt. This is your father who is also your uncle. That is sick and disgusting.” 
          Is your objection about the aunt raising her brother’s kid, or is it about homosexuals raising the kid? I suspect that we are actually in agreement on this, but talking at cross purposes. I’m not trying to argue with you, but as I say, you are confusing me.

        • Orangeone

          JeffWRidge Orangeone bahamianhoosier I do think we are on the same page.  It is one thing to raise your sibling’s child because that sibling has died.  It is disgusting to have your sibling intentionally father a child that you will then parent.  Look at it from the child’s perspective.  One parent is both aunt and parent. The other parent is both uncle and parent.

  • JeffWRidge

    This is in keeping with how the far-left thinks. Since this person doesn’t think that marriage should exist, she thinks she has the right to destroy the institution for other people. It’s her way, or the highway. 
    I doubt that she would have been this honest had she known that her words would end up on the internet for all to hear and/or read. Deception is a way of life for some.

    • PNWShan

      JeffWRidge Since this person doesn’t think that marriage should exist, she thinks she has the right to destroy the institution for other people.
      Bears repeating.

  • Orangeone

    This person needs multiple injections of estrogen and its brain studied to find the defects.

    • OliviaHT

      Orangeone While I appreciate your sentiments, I think her problem resides in her heart — totally corrupted by the prince of darkness.

      • Orangeone

        OliviaHT Orangeone I tend to think all of the chemicals in our foods are screwing up the DNA.

        • OliviaHT

          Orangeone OliviaHT I really like you, Orangeone, but I would step back from blaming screwed up DNA for our sinful choices. Nowhere in the Bible does God talk about our being exempt from judgment because of faulty DNA.  In other words, to encourage people to believe that they are not responsible for their evil acts because of the foods or chemicals they ingest removes from them the promise of forgiveness; for why would they need forgiveness if its the chemicals “that made me do it?”

        • Orangeone

          OliviaHT Orangeone I believe some people actively choose this disgusting lifestyle but I also believe the DNA is screwed up.  I cannot blame someone for that.

        • OliviaHT

          Orangeone OliviaHT This reminds me very uncomfortably of the argument rationalizing homosexuality. It seems we have some theological differences. It is what it is. Even so, I wish envy you your sense of humor — as I’ve seen demonstrated in some of your other posts.

    • OliviaHT

      Orangeone While I appreciate your sentiments, I think her problem resides in her heart — totally corrupted by the prince of darkness.

  • OliviaHT

    Go back into the closed, dearie, where you belong. The evil you’re spreading is destroying civilization.

  • punchpineiro

    This is what we are not told

  • punchpineiro

    This is some things we are afraid to talk about

    • WordsFailMe

      punchpineiro That’s what I liked about Judge Jeanine’s video. Out of all the male heroes in this country, sucking up salary on FOX news or serving in Congress, pretending to be men,, as  members of the National Socialist Republican’s Party, it is a woman, brilliant, accomplished and courageous, who finality has had enough and is going to stick to the bedsheeted, head-bangers and liars who’ve come to this country with their welfare oil dollars, bringing their hate and lies with them to G .F. T’s.
      I couldn’t be more proud to be an American today.

      • froggy19510

        WordsFailMe punchpineiro I would also include Sarah, Mischelle B, and Mischelle M.
        There are more that I can’t think of right now as well.

        • WordsFailMe

          froggy19510 WordsFailMe punchpineiro  Lest we (I) forget-Thanks froggy!
          (Asisde:It’s good to be reminded , once in a while that there ARE some Michele’s in the world who have naturally straight hair.)

        • froggy19510

          WordsFailMe froggy19510 punchpineiro “there ARE some Michele’s in the world who have naturally straight hair.”
          That’s the best quote of the day. Thanks foe a good laugh!

        • WordsFailMe

          froggy19510 WordsFailMe punchpineiro I couldn’t be more pleased to hear it, froggy!

        • froggy19510

          WordsFailMe froggy19510 punchpineiro The nice thing about conservative blogs is you meet people that are intelligent and have a sense of humor.

  • Oy vey.

    • 57thunderbird

      AmericanborninCanada What else is left to say? 🙁

  • WordsFailMe

    The communists are forever trying to destroy marriage. Marriage, any commitment to anyone of any thing other than the STATE, is heresy to a dung headed commie.
    And Muslims bargain for the right to thrive in the same kind of philosophical offal as the Communists: Any allegiance to other than Halla, or any deviation from muslo-fascist doctrines of race hated or, subjugation of women and non believers or any deviation from muslim standards of abject obedience and conformity is heresy.
    Is there a war on communists and Muslims? Of course not. Just ask an Obamerrhoid,, a National Socialist RINO or any member of the  Black Ku Klux Caucus.  No.  The war is against Communism and Islam.
    On the other hand if a commie or a muz sticks his caucus in the way,  then….

  • jwbandit27

    Leviticus 18:22
    http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Leviticus-18-22/
    The homosexuals don’t want to hear that.   Let it be noted.    God is not going to allow any Sin into his presence.  Make all the excuses they want.   It isn’t going to happen.   We all sin and we are all going to be judged.   God makes it very clear ; even the churches who are now allowing homosexuals as a accepted way of life.  Don’t depend on others to make your lifestyle acceptable.  Find out for yourself.  Eternity is a long time.

    • 57thunderbird

      jwbandit27 Matthew 18;6 applies to those churches of which you speak.

  • Lies badly and can’t count either. I only count 4 of 5 parents that she claims for her kids.
    Some “guy in Russia” ?
    It really is worse than we thought.
    Having now read this , I can abandon any notion of support I had for “gay” marriage, and go back to my original position of “That is stupid”.

    • njmom

      Jimash Not stupid, but evil.

      • njmom Jimash 
        you’re right.
        It is evil to fight for a right that you don’t want so that you can ruin it for everyone else, which is what I see her saying,

  • famouswolf

    Oh, brother.
    Homosexuals don’t have any small shred of sympathy from me now.
    Just perverts that need to be stuffed back in their closets and kept there.

    • WordsFailMe

      famouswolf Proving once again that tolerance is a gift one man can offer another. Tolerance is not a club that a Democrat, a socialist, a communist, a progressive, a slinking, oily, traitorous RINO’s use to beat a conservative over the head with. Tolerance like patience has limits.  And both those limits have been reached
      I am out of both. Long Live the US Constitution, God BLESS the United States! Remember Boston! Remember how, after the murders by Muslims, the entire city was treed, driven off the streets and into their bathroom were the good Bostinians were crapping themselves in terror.
       Give me liberty or, by God, or prepare to defend yourself!

    • njmom

      famouswolf Never did have sympathy from me.

      • famouswolf

        I never gave them a second thought until I got to Seattle. Where I came from they were a source of ridicule and just something despised, really. Here I got a job with four of them on the same shift including one of the supervisors, and didn’t really have any trouble with them. I developed a certain reluctant tolerance. They were quiet and didn’t push it like they do these days.
        Now, to paraphrase WordsFailMe, give me liberty or prepare to meet the Maker you don’t believe in. I’m through, and I’m dead serious.

        • clockwindingdown

          famouswolf That is because it is hip to be gay and Seattle thinks its hip. 
          If it was hip to sew ones mouth shut they’d all have their mouths sewn shut, look at all those with body piercings and tats, there are some people that are really hard to look at it! 
          They really don’t think for themselves, they’re just trying to be part of the in crowd…  Modern Seattle mentality drives me up the wall!

        • badbadlibs

          clockwindingdown famouswolf You must live there or nearby, you summed Seattle up perfectly! It’s “freak town”. I remember the days when it was a fun day out to visit Seattle and shop and in a nice restaurant. Now, I close my eyes when we drive thru it…no stopping anymore. I won’t contribute “one thin dime” to that cesspool, known as Seattle.

        • PNWShan

          badbadlibs clockwindingdown famouswolf I do feel sorry for some of these young people who look totally freakish, with weird piercings and tattoos, etc.  Many of them seem to be trying to find some identity. What they really need is God, but they’ve been taught that He doesn’t exist and therefore their lives have no meaning.

        • clockwindingdown

          badbadlibs clockwindingdown famouswolf 
          Funny you mentioned that, I do try to spend out of city limits, county when possible!

        • clockwindingdown

          PNWShan badbadlibs clockwindingdown famouswolf 
          Exactly, they are trying so hard for identity that they end up all looking much the same…
          There does seem to be a connection to lack of something in their up bringing and self mutilation.
          They are going to be some very odd looking folks when they get towards end of life…

        • famouswolf

          Across Lake Washington, in Redmond. It’s still a decent place to live in spite of being twenty miles from downtown Seattle.

  • crosshr

    Oy Vey as ABiC put it.  So , this is the very essence, the voice and face of wisdom America should learn from, this homo mom. Imagine an America with homosexual value. Let me try again, Imagine an America that adopt and promote and enforce these creepy, freaky untoward  values among kids in schools, organizations like Boy Scout and even in churches.
    Did Obama figure this out way before in the bath house days in old boys club ? Were that why he complained once that Christians cling to their Bible, Gun and God, here in San  Francisco the city of quires & _____________ ?

    • clockwindingdown

      crosshr Doesn’t seem much of step from the family he grow up in and around…

      • crosshr

        clockwindingdown crosshr  
        absolutely.  tru dat clock

  • njmom

    The institution of marriage should not exist? God has another view and I’ll trust His thank you very much.

  • Bac Si68

    And the left has the gall to talk about Hillbillies, Rednecks, and Crackers.  Does her daughter realise that her mom is her aunt and her uncle is her father, and her mother is a bisexual, parading as a lesbian all the while her step-dad is back in Russia.  Obamas New Normal,  can’t wait till obamacare kicks in and takes me off this orb.

    • badbadlibs

      Bac Si68 I couldn’t even follow the sequence! My God, have mercy! It was like reading the porn version of who’s on first………..
      These people are the picture of sick.

      • crosshr

        badbadlibs Bac Si68  
        my mind is drawing the picture version now badbad sis. ok j/k.  lol

      • badbadlibs Bac Si68 good line.   LOL
        Too bad it’s not a laughing matter.

    • DawgfanInFL

      Poor kids will need some help later in life. Talk about confused.

  • jgilman

    Well, congradulations on not murdering your kids shortly after birth, I feel better knowing that they will just be massively f8ck3d up.

    • crosshr

      jgilman  
      ouch jgil,   well so tru dat !

  • RedRiver

    http://www.biblestudytools.com/matthew/passage.aspx?q=Matthew+19:4-6“Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’  and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’ ?  So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate.”
    Isn’t that clear enough? 

    Romans 1:26-27: “For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.”
    I presume if you don’t believe in God’s word, then your morals are just left to “majority rule?”

    • Here’s one of my favorites:
      1 Corinthians 6:9-10 
      9Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 
      10Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

  • Valin

    Wow! That’s what I call a real role model!  A real Leave It To Beaver family!

  • These whoores expect to use their children as political pawns and see no harm in that.
    Disgusting.

    • DawgfanInFL

      Lol!

  • edsmanedup

    WOW!!!great job Bill…I’m learning so much…be very afraid…

    • jazzee

      edsmanedup agree be very afraid

  • patriot077

    pathological self centeredness. She would overturn thousands of years of civilizational tradition and law to satisfy her own highly unconventional life situation.
    It was somewhat gratifying to hear someone voice the fact that their public talking points are lies.

  • harryojam

    I take no credence in words from an abomination before God.

  • shagstar

    the gay mafia needs too be reined in along with all the other lobbyists/special interests fanatics  who circumvent our constitution with all of their PC rhetoric. we don’t care what you do behind closed doors unless it’s malevolent and harms an innocent person.  grow the hell up and join society and become an asset instead of a narcissistic burden!  we don’t owe you anything except respect when earned.  two way street either way

  • PNWShan

    Just finished watching Bill Whittle above. powerful as usual. I had not known that about the Frankfurt School at Columbia. Marxism has spread from the grad schools down to undergrad then high school and down to elementary schools; it’s also spread up and out to media, politics, etc. It’s like kudzu. Or a plague of mental fog. How do we counter it?

    • physicsnut

      PNWShan call the commie idiots what they are.

  • The Sentinel

    Everybody’s doing it – allowing so-called homosexual marriage. France, New Zealand just did it too.
    The Lord will not be mocked.

    • crosshr

      The Sentinel   
       were very upset when they approved homosexual marriage in NZ.but I am just a one person. Parliament went ahead and parrot majority voted in homo marriage. sad !

      • The Sentinel

        crosshr The Sentinel  
        I was sad also. That seemed like the last sanctuary left that was untouched by this clear and present evil.

    • notpilgrims

      The Sentinel  Does The Lord control America and control all American people??? There are lots of countries that ban gay marriage and even ban gay sex. Iran, for example. I guess in those countries, The Lord is in his rightful place: dictating the government.
      If that’s what you want, then why do you oppose Sharia Law?

      • notpilgrims The Sentinel  I’m warming up to it.

        • The Sentinel

          glegakis notpilgrims The Sentinel  
          Then you don’t know what Sharia Law is.
          I’m sorry you feel that way.

      • The Sentinel

        notpilgrims The Sentinel
        1) I think
        you miss my point. Liberals always want to twist the words of Teavangelicals
        into us saying that all of America should be run by the Bible or something.
        While as Christians, we do try to follow God’s Word, we don’t “push”
        it on anyone. Now with Sharia, many are killed if they don’t comply with Sharia
        law. Furthermore, America was built on Christian principles – not Islamic
        principles. So it’s not unreasonable for most of America to resist and fight
        against Sharia (which is an abomination) or homosexuality (which the Lord
        himself called an abomination).

        • notpilgrims

          The Sentinel  notpilgrims Arguably, preventing people from having abortions, because of your religious beliefs, and certainly preventing people from purchasing alcohol on Sundays, are actions that force compliance with certain of your beliefs on everyone. It’s not on the same level with Iran, of course, but it is an example of people being forced to comply with Christian beliefs.

        • The Sentinel

          notpilgrims The Sentinel  
          It’s people complying with the majority of voters beliefs.

      • The Sentinel

        notpilgrims The Sentinel
        2) And yes, the Lord is the highest of the high. He
        made the Heavens and the Earth. And yes, he has control of everything and
        anything that He chooses to get involved with. Unlike Sharia, which strives to
        control everything – under penalty of death. God lets us make our own choices,
        Sharia doesn’t.

      • The Sentinel

        notpilgrims The Sentinel
        3)

        Allowing
        homosexuality to spread and grow will undermine the moral foundation of any
        society. And sadly, as we are indeed approaching the end times, just like evil,
        it is spreading and growing. If people choose to live a homosexual lifestyle,
        that’s their choice – but not with Sharia. I hate the sin (and homosexuality is
        a sin) but not the sinner. They have to answer to the Lord, not me.

        • notpilgrims

          The Sentinel  notpilgrims Homosexuality doesn’t undermine moral foundations–or at least there hasn’t been an argument that it does. For it to undermine moral foundations, it would have to be immoral–that is to say it would have to violate people’s rights. It doesn’t violate people’s rights, because people have the right to not partake in it if they don’t like it. That is a right I have taken full advantage of, because homosexuality is personally something disgusting and useless.

        • The Sentinel

          notpilgrims The Sentinel  
          I’m not going to debate you on this. My perspective seems to come from a different source than yours does.
          But I encourage you to search back in history at the civilizations that were destroyed by homosexuality. There were many. You might start with the Persian Empire to begin with. It absolutely does.

      • The Sentinel

        notpilgrims The Sentinel
        4)
        One more
        point. Iran and many other Muslim nations are run by a dictator or tyrant.
        Their “god” is allah – who is NOT “God”. So their laws come
        from Sharia or the whims of their dictator. Jesus doesn’t dictate to the
        American government – (lol, far from it since Obama took office). Sharia law is
        bondage. It is immoral. It is subjugation. It has no place whatsoever in
        America. None.

        • notpilgrims

          The Sentinel  notpilgrims Sharia constitutes a theocracy.
          In America, Christian conservatives also want to make laws based on the views of their God. They want to prevent people from having abortions or buying alcohol on Sundays. Some Christian conservatives even want to ban porn. Richard Santorum supported banning porn at one point, and the more radical of the Christian conservatives also want more radical laws. At one time in history, not only was gay marriage not allowed, but consensual gay sex was actually illegal.
          Christian conservatives also want to prevent people from doing certain things based on their religious views.

        • The Sentinel

          notpilgrims The Sentinel  
          Yep, there are indeed some who would base a nation and government on Christian values and beliefs. Our Founding Fathers for instance.
          Rick (not Richard) Santorum made this part of his platform and he lost… so, what’s your point?
          Again, I’m not going to debate you on this because you seem to have your mind made up and you might have something against Christianity – or you just may be yanking my chain.
          If you believe these things, then maybe this is the wrong site for your contributions.

      • notebene

        notpilgrims The Sentinel Sharia is not from the Lord…it’s from Satan.  If you can’t tell the difference, you’re need to learn how to read.

        • notpilgrims

          notebene notpilgrims The Sentinel  Um… Sharia is from Allah. “Allah” means God in Arabic. #CorrectingYourError

      • crosshr

        notpilgrims The Sentinel   
        Sharia law is one of the many teaching against this homo marriage. Many other countries have laws against same sex relationship, not to mention, homosexual marriage is a million miles from earth.
        The Lord do not dictate, He creates  human beings with a soul and conscience as a FREE MORAL AGENT. So our choice will dictates the consequences of our actions.

  • linguaphonica

    Right, and that’s what one person, Masha Gessen – who is often at odds with the rest of the LGBT community – believes. And?

    • stage9

      Activist Paula Ettelbrick, once policy director for the National Center for L e s b i a n Rights, formerly legal director of the Lambda Legal Defense and Education Fund (formerly the Lambda Legal Defense Fund), is tactically “for” same-s e x “marriage,” but shares these caveats:
      “Being q u e e r is more than setting up house, sleeping with a person of the same gender, and seeking state approval for doing so….Being q u e e r means pushing the parameters of s e x, s e x u a l i t y, and family, and in the process, transforming the very fabric of society….
      As a l e s b i a n, I am fundamentally different from non-l e s b i a n women….In arguing for the right to legal marriage, l e s b i a n s and g a y men would be forced to claim that we are just like h e t e r o s e x u a l couples, have the same goals and purposes, and vow to structure our lives similarly….We must keep our eyes on the goals of providing true alternatives to marriage and of radically reordering society’s view of reality.”
      ________________________
      Both the National Center for L e s b i a n Rights and the Lambda Legal Defense and Education Fund are considered, not “fringe,” but “mainstream” g a y activist groups. Former Lambda Legal Defense Fund president Thomas Stoddard also expresses lukewarm support for same-s e x “marriages”:
      “I must confess at the outset that I am no fan of the “institution” of marriage as currently constructed and practiced….Why give it such prominence? Why devote resources to such a distant goal? Because marriage is, I believe, the political issue that most fully tests the dedication of people who are not g a y to full equality for g a y people, and also the issue most likely to lead ultimately to a world free of discrimination against l e s b i a n s and g a y men.”
      ________________________
      Activist Donna Minkowitz says:
      “We [g a y and l e s b i a n activists] have been on the defensive too long. <b>It’s time to affirm that the Right is correct in some of its pronouncements about our movement. Pat Buchanan said there was a “cultural war” going on “for the soul of America” and that g a y and l e s b i a n rights were the principal battleground. He was right. Similarly, [h o m o]’phobes like Pat Robertson are right when they say that we threaten the family, male domination, and the Calvinist ethic of work and grimness that has paralyzed most Americans’ search for pleasure.
      Indeed, instead of proclaiming our innocuousness, we ought to advertise our potential to change straight society in radical, beneficial ways. Het[ero s e x u a l]s have much to learn from us: first and foremost, the fact that pleasure is possible (and desirable) beyond the sanction of the state. Another fact gleaned from g a y experience-that gender is for all intents and purposes a fiction-also has the potential to revolutionize straight lives.”
      ________________________
      Writing in Out magazine, regular contributor Michelangelo Signorile (quoted supra) has described a strategy in which h o m o s e x u a l s
      “fight for same-s e x marriage and its benefits and then, once granted, redefine the institution of marriage completely…to debunk a myth and radically alter an archaic institution….The most subversive action lesbians and g a y s can undertake-and one that would perhaps benefit all of society-is to transform the notion of ‘family’ entirely.”

  • notpilgrims

    Gay marriage won’t change people’s marriage–nor will it allow for polygamy. Only passing a law allowing polygamy would allow polygamy.
    That said, polygamy would be kind of stupid, and it is sad that the kids he mentioned don’t have parents. Ironically, liberals attack people for being “greedy,” but isn’t looking out for your own interests and not giving a damn about the kids that you produced the definition of being greedy?

    • stage9
      • Watchman74

        stage9Yup I agree, once you open the door to redefining marriage it becomes a slippery slope. The same arguments that are made for same sex marriage can be applied to polygamy or anything else. I think what she purposes goes a step beyond polygamy or even polyandry. It’s a plurastic marriage with multiple men and women all married together.

    • Laurel A

      notpilgrimsAs I read through your posts your lack of intellect and not even a small sense of history astounds me.
      This quote however is just factually incorrect :”  Homosexuality doesn’t undermine moral foundations–or at least there hasn’t been an argument that it does.”
      Yes there is an argument and it has been proven repeatedly. Fall of Rome…the biggest but also Egypt, Persia, Sparta, Greece, among others have proven it.
      You are yet another that has no clue what Western ‘Civilization was built upon as well as this country and that is morality based upon Judeo-Christian tenets. You don’t know where your sense of right and wrong comes from, your right to dissent, the dissent itself,  your free speech, any of it.
      Unfortunately I cannot educate you on a blog what you should have been learning since the age of 3. I would seek out Selwyn Duke’s blog, read Mark Levin as well for some short cuts, but I’m not sure it is possible for you to catch up. You need to go all the way back to Socrates and Plato and move forward.
      And btw…in regards to polygamy etc…it is called in legal terms ‘precedent’. Learn what established precedent means and how that is applied as well. Polygamist sects already have their court cases waiting to go including the guy from the tv program ‘Sister Wives’.

       Civilization and society is built upon building blocks or a foundation established brick by brick. Opposition to homosexuality let alone homosexual marriage has existed for thousands of years and with good reason. Learn why. There is no civilization that has ever been built on homosexuality but there have been plenty brought down by it.

  • Watchman74

    Communist Goals (1963)

    26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as “normal,
    natural, healthy.”
    40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity
    and easy divorce.
    http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm

    • ryanomaniac

      Thank you Watchman for posting that. I’ve been wondering where I could find that.

  • Mokadoka

    The destruction of marriage was already tried  The  Soviets ended legal marriage,  It was not needed because the State was mother , father , brother. .  It was a disaster bringing about 7 million new fathless children in just a few decades  
    The Soviets then did a U turn and created programs to bring more family unity

  • white531

    Here’s a new beginning for all of you.  Stop calling them gays.   Call them what they are.  Homosexuals.

  • poptoy1949

    “Causes your brain some trouble”?  Honey if you had a brain you would be dangerous.

  • I have always believed that if gays get a Federal right to marry, that we may as well just do away with marriage in this country. If gays get the right to marry, it will cheapen the institution to the point that it will be a joke and worthless. What would be the point? Soon the polygamists will demand that it is their “right” to get married, then I’m sure you’ll get some crazy woman in California (it always starts in California) who will want to marry her cat, and so on and so forth. Marriage will become a meaningless union and it will be abandoned in droves, allowing more kids to be born into broken homes and single-parent homes, and we all know the damage that does to society. Don’t believe me? Just look at the African-American community and see what the destruction of the family unit has done to them. This was always a bigger fight than just stopping gays from marrying. It was about saving marriage, and the way things are going in this country I don’t think marriage has a chance.

    • notebene

      Libertyship46   I agree with you with the exception that marriage doesn’t stand a chance.  In every state that the same sex marriage act has been brought up, it hasn’t passed with voter approval by a large margin.  The states that have same sex marriage are the liberal hot beds that are already on the precipice of financial collapse…California, Massachusetts, Vermont.  There are not enough liberal loons for this to pass by the will of the people, and if it is forced, I believe an uprising will start just as it did with gun control.  That was one area where long time Dems. did not agree with their representatives, and marriage is the other.  This is especially true in the black and hispanic communities.  If the progressive loons push this, it will be their Waterloo!

      • Orangeone

        notebene Libertyship46 Except MN.  They defeated the Marriage Act.

      • Laurel A

        notebene Libertyship46 California doesn’t have gay marriage unless the SCOTUS institutes it by fiat. Let me remind you we voted it down twice.

      • notpilgrims

        notebene Libertyship46 A majority of the people support gay marriage. It is being voted on at the state level, and it will become state law in most states within the next few decades. You can see it continues getting more popular each year in polls.

        • Orangeone

          notpilgrims notebene Libertyship46 More challenging math for you.  FACT: 62% of states have laws that make homosexual unions illegal.  Sodomy is illegal in more than 50% and is still being prosecuted. The homos can get all they want in prison.

    • Orangeone

      Libertyship46 Interesting that you mention CA. There is an elected official out there trying to pass a bill that classifies pedophilia as a sexual preference (like homosexual).  So the next step is for that sicko to demand the right to marry a 6 year old.

      • Laurel A

        Orangeone Libertyship46 Do you have a link for that? I need more info.

        • Orangeone
        • Laurel A

          Orangeone Laurel A Libertyship46 Thanks for the link. It appears the link itself has recanted the claim. I think what Spier bill refers to is Christian based psychology in regards to homosexuality and pedophilia. I believe the left refers to it as “pray the gay away” therapy and the banning of it, which that bill did pass and went into full effect in Ca. as well.

      • notpilgrims

        Orangeone Libertyship46 A pedophile having sex with a child would be rape. Liberals, of course, support rape culture.
        Also: Pedophilia is more likely to be a sickness rather than a sexual preference. I mean, anti-social personality disorder as manifested in psychopathic murderers is a sickness. But it could just as easily be classified as a “preference” if California lawmakers decide that murder is just something some people like to do.

        • Orangeone

          notpilgrims Orangeone Libertyship46 Not in Joe Biden’s world.  He said just today that daddies put their 12-14 year old girls to bed and wake up with a snake in their bed in the morning.  This is who you worship.  Sick, totally sick.

  • debw777

    How many gays are there?  3% of the population?  And we’re allowing them to bully us into accepting this crap?

  • Laurel A

    For once I am glad someone gave an idiot a microphone and let them speak.
    Maybe the country will go bankrupt before we have to pay for her dysfunctional children.

  • lawngreen

    Brains, “families”, and marriages: the homosexuals’ are all as scrambled as eggs at the Waffle House. I knew this was coming:

    “The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and ***things taught by demons***. Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. ***They forbid people to marry***…” (1st Timothy 4:1-3a)

  • JoeinAlbany

    All evil begins when society moves to break down the family unit.

  • AmericanPatriot77

    …..good job RS !!