John Bolton and Jack Keane weigh in on Netanyahu UN speech, disagree with red line

An interesting discussion by Bolton and Keane, specifically because both disagree with where Netanyahu drew the red line today. In fact Bolton says a red line was drawn in 2006 and Iran blew through that with no consequences, and another red line will mean nothing to Iran.


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  • bhaskin

    So are we to wait until they purchase the final high grade stuff from lets say Russia or China or maybe Pakistan?

  • 911Infidel

    Iran will keep pushing forward with its nuclear armaments program because any threats against Iran by this administration are empty rhetoric. They know that. Nothing short of an all-out attack against Iranian nuclear facilities is going to deter them from realizing their insane dream of annihilating Israel.

    The entire ME is aflame because Obama is the Jimmy Carter of our time: a weak, feckless, wimp who kowtows to our enemies under the dellusion that the force of his personality will win the day.

    Unless this regime changes hands, Iran will get its nukes and use them…against Israel, Saudi, the US and Europe.

    • 12grace

      And obama always sides with our enemies.

      • 911Infidel

        Evil always sides with evil.

  • sDee

    I did not think Netanyahu was actually suggesting the “international community” draw yet another red line. I figured he was saying “don’t say I did not warn you”.

    The graphic was a hoot. I think Bibi might be a Wile E Coyote fan.

    • I was thinking the same thing!

      (It’s like “The WB” around here lately! My favorite cartoon was Pinky and the Brain (sorry ABiC!). But Roadrunner was always great. My Dad loved both cartoons.)

      • Pinky and the Brain is so stupid it’s hilarious. I haven’t seen that in a long time. But sorry K-Bob, we might get compared to the loony left a lot, but we loony tunes ROCK! 😀

      • NoToTyrants

        Love Pinky and the Brain as well, again no offense to ABiC. Droopy Dog is also one of my favorites.

        Sorry for the cartoon indulgence. I know it is off topic, but I could us a little humor.

        • sDee

          we all could all use it.

        • Well, that’s what we give you here: little humor.

          All part of the service!

  • I agree with Bolton about sanctions. Sanctions DO NOT work. All it does is hurt the citizens of the nation, but the leaders don’t suffer anything. ANd Iran HAS blown passed any line that has been drawn before. Yes, Israel has been warning about a time for a while, and does seem to keep pushing it back, but Iran has continued to work on their enrichment program in spite of whatever “lines” or sanctions have been put in place, and If I was leader of Israel or any other country that has the threats that Israel has, I’d be screaming warnings from the rooftops until I had some clear and difinitive answers as far as answers and commitments for help were answered.

    • I don’t mind sanctions as a tactical maneuver. Unfortunately, the ones who put them in place are rarely around later when the tactic is to be followed-up-on.

      • I can and do agree K-Bob. I don’t like sanctions for that reason too. But still I have yet to see a sanction which has worked the way it’s supposed to. Peace through strength. We need some who isn’t a brotherhood lover and someone with the spine of Reagan.

        • I was watching Beck’s show called “The Project.”

          I have a pretty good nose for seeing through conspiracy theory garbage. The stuff Beck’s dealing with is way, way way out in the open, and easily to corroborate.

          Brotherhood lover, indeed.

          I really want to see Obama and Holder in jail for so many things.

          Here’s an idea that just popped into my head: Congress ought to pass a law specifying that Obama can’t profit off of public speaking after he leaves office. At some point, Barack, you’ve made enough money. The rest ought to go to the families of those SEAL’s killed in Libya, the slain border patrol agents, the families in Mexico whose children were slain due to F&F, and the state department employees killed.

          Damn, this makes me angry. I need to go write some code.

          • FreeManWalking

            I like that!!!

            Plus win, loose or draw if the gop takes the senate, January 3rd 1st order of business should be taking up impeachment proceeding.

          • Write some code for me too K-Bob. I’m not always much of a Beck fan, but I sure appreciate his work on stuff like this. I’ve been trying in my own pathetic way to warn people for a long time, but no one wanted to listen, at least no one outside the choir.
            I’ve been wanting dear leader’s whole administration be tried for treason, or at least impeachment- but I sure like your idea of proceeds from dear leader speeches going to some of his victim’s families.

          • Patriot077

            I agree with you on Zero not profiting from his malfeasance when he leaves office! Yes!!

            I watched the documentary too and there was nothing in it that I didn’t learn from reading “The Muslim Mafia” 2 or 3 years ago. Also seeing the debates Pamela Gellor and Robert Spencer hosted at CPAC in 2010 or 11. CPAC wouldn’t allow them to participate so they had to set up their own event.

            The part about the DOJ releasing Holyland files to the terrorists but refusing our own congressional intelligence committees was news to me, though. That really made my blood boil.

            I think they need to pull rank and use all powers vested in them. Time is short. If not them, who? If not now, when?

      • FreeManWalking

        When a warning shot across the bow take off part of the bow, then placing a sanction might have some affect.

        • Sure. It has to be real sanctions. Not profit-making sanctions like the stupid oil embargo on Iraq after GW I. Saddam made all kinds of money off of that.

    • 12grace

      I think Israel is going to take Iran out soon.

      • I do too grace. To me, his diagram, that red line was him saying “this is it. I’ve drawn it.”

        • 12grace

          It brings me to tears when I think about how alone Israel is right now. Israel is our spiritual sister and obama despises her. However, according to bible prophecy, in the end, G-d will protect Israel and she will prevail against all of her enemies.

          • It’s got to be a scary time for them for sure, but when G*d rescues them, they will remember their Lord G*d of their fathers- and THAT will be an exciting time for them.

    • Watchman74

      Sanctions can work but with Iran you have countries like Russia, China, and Venezuelan that ignore the sanctions so it becomes futile.

  • Sober_Thinking

    The bottom line is that the world is simply letting Iran go nuclear. God will have his way with that crooked nation. He will not be mocked.

  • Sanctions do not work. They hurt the little people in the country, but the dictators and their cabal do just fine and eat just fine. Their scientists live just fine as well. Liberals know this, but use sanctions anyway because it gives the impression of doing something while really all it does is punt the whole problem down the road for someone else to deal with later.

    Iran is working towards a nuke, and the nations in the west are arguing about whether a red line should be drawn and where it should be drawn. They should be arguing about when and how hard to punch Iran to ensure that no such nuke ever gets made.

    Israel and other free nations could be blown up in a nuclear explosion and the UN will still be sending strongly worded letters to Iran telling them how naughty were were to kill millions of people, and, while wagging their finger, threaten to draw another red line and send yet another useless strongly worded letter if Iran explode another nuke and kill yet more millions.

    This would seem like a Monty Python skit if it weren’t people’s lives and nations future we were discussing.

    Do we really have to go back to the “First they came for the Jews and I did nothing because I was not a jew” thing? Have we learned NOTHING from history at all?

    • NoToTyrants

      Have we learned NOTHING from history at all?

      The problem is history is no longer taught in our schools. It is all left wing revisionist history, social justice, moral relativism, anti-American, anti-Constitution, Marxist indoctrination and inculcation.

      Every historical event is now viewed through the prism of ‘racism’, ‘white privilege’ and ‘economic injustice’. [i.e. The founders were privileged rich white slave owners…blah…blah…blah]

      Regular Americans, as Mark Levin calls us, must regain control of the curriculum being taught to our children, if there is to be any hope.

      • Well said too NotoTyrants. I have to wonder though, if there is time. We needed to take control of curriculum like yesterday. By the time we have enough spine in Washington to either give the education back to the states and parent control or just abolish government education outright, there will be 2 or 3 more generations of mindless drones graduating. It is SO frustrating. We who homeschool are a growing number, but we don’t have near the numbers to combat what’s being cranked out of the government controlled schools.

        • p m

          Did you see this, AbiC? Posted yesterday on another thread.
          Ayers and Race-To-The-Top have plans, including:
          “The loss of the option of avoiding the national curriculum and tests through private school and home school”.

          Can’t recall who posted it – hope it wasn’t you!!

          • No I didn’t post it, but I read about it earlier in the week on facebook. All I can say, is over my dead body. They will NOT tell me what I can or can not teach my own child. This countries founding was based on village run schools or homeschool, and I am not sending my kid to gumbmint edicashun assylums. But thanks for thinking of me when you read it p m. It’s good to be aware of this stuff.

          • Patriot077

            There’s an article on Trevor Loudon’s blog about that. In WA state we have a charter school referendum and I’m voting against it because the schools would still be subject to federal standards/regs. What the hell good does that do.

            Unleash our educators and let them teach.

    • Oh Woflie, You are on a roll today. You ought to change your name again to Brutus or something. Excellently said my friend!

  • hbnolikeee

    What they need here is an ultimatum. We never hear those anymore. You have until a given date to dismantle and make available all facilities deemed suspect or they will be “deactivated”.

  • Galatiansch2vs20

    Can’t a red line mean you can go no further, not threats but action preventing Iran from crossing the line and completing nuclear enrichment?

  • 12grace

    I have the deepest respect for Benjamin Netanyahu. I think Israel is going to take out Iran even if no other country in the world backs, Israel.

    Pray for peace in the Middle East!

  • Bolton is right on an important point. There have been “red lines” handed to Iran in the past, but they have just ignored them. Likewise, North Korea has had many sanctions placed on them, and yet they still were able to make several nuclear bombs. So if the west is serious about stopping Iran, it is going to have to do something NOW, not eight months from now. But you just know Obama will do nothing, especially before the elections (and probably after the elections as well). Remember, even if Romney wins the election, he doesn’t become president until January of 2013. It could be too late by then to stop Iran.

  • The red line is like the “doomsday clock”- and unfortunately oyveybama must have got to Bibi. Between the US economy under the current Alinsky administration and the lack of support- or worse- the open hostility we display to allies, I am scared to death- to death- that this unnatural disaster will be reelected and I never thought in my life I would be truly scared that this GREAT country could fall. And if we don’t collapse under our “new reality” under this zilch then we have to worry about a nuclear bomb from the Mullahs. Romney should be winning by 20 points!

    • 12grace

      Please join us in prayer, we are in a battle between principalities and so a secular approach is ineffective. We have turned our back on G-d and he has taken away our protection, we must quickly turn back to him.

      Please join John Hagee for 40 days of prayer for America.

      40 Days of Prayer
      Proclamation for America
      September 28, 2012
      Day 1
      Target: Apathy
      Psalm 127:1
      Unless the LORD builds the house, they labor in vain who build it; Unless the LORD guards the city, the watchman stays awake in vain.
      In 1787, Benjamin Franklin told state delegates, “If a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without his notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without his aid? … ‘Except the Lord build the house they labor in vain that build it.’” He then called for daily prayer to keep God in the business of the nation.
      Father God, forgive us for allowing this great nation to slide through our fingers as we sat back in silence, never standing up for our Christian beliefs. We have been selfish and apathetic, caring more about pleasing men than pleasing You. We now humbly come before You, seeking Your unmerited mercy and limitless favor. In order to survive, we must rebuild our nation as one nation under God, serving no other gods but You. With You all things are possible, and it is through the power of the cross that we are able to do all things through Christ Jesus. We ask that your anointing blood flow over our nation, that it cleanse us from all unrighteousness, and that it wash us whiter than snow. May the sacred blood of the cross bring us to a place of renewal and revival, where You are once again pleased with the state of our union. May we do all things with excellence, bringing honor to the one true God, in whom we dwell and have our being. We ask that you saturate our homes with the attitude of gratitude, and renew a right spirit within us. In Jesus’ name we pray, amen.

  • Iran has already crossed the red line- lets fire up our B-2 stealth bombers and rain fire and destruction on Iran, nuclear plants, mullahs, achmavomit, and any collateral damage (men, women and children) who are foolish enough to set up camp next door to a nuclear facility. I do not apologize and I do approve this message.

    • B-Funk

      Boom! I nominate you for Prez!

  • saychoss

    I think that Netanyahu’s demonstration didn’t go far enough. He would have been wise to point out the differences between enriched uranium for power generation purposes (this is what Iran claims it is enriching uranium for) and highly enriched uranium for weapons. I can’t remember all of the numbers, I’m sure some one out there will be able to correct my ratios. There are two different isotopes of uranium involved, 238 and 235. In natural deposits of uranium something like 98-99% of the ore is of the 238 variety with 1-2% being 235 (and minute quantities of other isotopes). To generate power you need a sample of uranium containing 5-20% of the 235 variety. To make a nuclear bomb you need the sample to contain 95% of the 235. So if Iran is enriching the uranium to the point beyond that 20% they are working on constructing a bomb. I learn in a High School physics class how to make a rudimentary nuke, the most difficult part is obtaining the bomb grade (95% 235) uranium or plutonium (which does not occur in nature, and is produced in special nuclear reactors)