Lt. Gen. Mcinerney on Benghazi: Whoever gave the “stand down” order is responsible for killing ambassador

Lt. Gen. Tom Mcinerney asked “are we brain-dead?” and says that we should have had ISR (intelligence, surveillance, reconnaissance) assets over Libya before the 9/11 attacks ever happened, especially given the fact that radical Islamists were told by Al-Qaeda chief Zawahiri to take out Americans in retribution for our killing of Abu Yahya al-Libi over the summer.

But the most disturbing part of this he says is that during the 9/11 attacks we didn’t even try to save to save our people in Libya, that we didn’t do anything. In fact he goes on to say that whoever gave the “stand down” order to our forces at the annex in Benghazi is responsible for killing Ambassador Stevens and Sean Smith because he believes it’s highly possible that the small force from the Annex could have disrupted the attack and likely saved our Stevens and Smith.


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  • SKL53

    And prey tell who could that possibly be…the CinC???

    • stage9

      He’s no Commander in Chief. He’s a two-bit Chicago thug.

      • AtlEsquire1973

        He is the most powerful coward (or worse) in the world. He, the Commie-in-Chief something that should be flushed. Just total trash with no concern for Americans. He should go and be president of Iran.

  • Joe


  • actionsspeaklouder

    Flood the lying left-wing liberal media with calls asking why they are not covering the Benghazi coverup 24/7?

    NBC – 212 664 3720
    ABC – 212 456 7777
    CBS – 212 975 4321

    They are providing Obama cover – they are co-conspirators in the coveup. Don’t let them get away with it. Don’t let ANY of them get away with this. We want answers BEFORE the election.

    • mike3e4r7

      Just called all three and left a message. I tried not to be too disrespectful when leaving my comments, although it was hard, especially with NBC. Don’t know if it will do any good, but all we can do is try. Thanks for the contact info.

      • actionsspeaklouder

        The blatant lies, behind our back appointments and coverups must not be allowed to go on. Obama is trying to render the American people powerless. I have never been so frightened of my government before. Never. Obama is trying to take over like a despotic tyrant. He must be stopped. He needs to be voted out, impeached or removed by force by our military. He cannot be allowed to stay in office. I’m sick of “looking into” and “investigative committees” – the mere fact that he lied to the American people about the “video”, and what he knew, etc., is reason enough to get rid of him NOW. He treats us like trash – like we are nothings, we don’t matter. We are nothing more to him than a bank account.

    • DCGere

      I called all three. CBS and NBC got voice mails. Asked ABC and they said it was on their web site. Asked why they didn’t report on nightly news and he repeated same statement. Told them they were disgraceful! Keep calling people! We cannot let them get away with this.

      • mike3e4r7

        Nice job!

    • Orangeone

      For anyone on Twitter, tweet them frequently and ask your friends and kids to do the same. Twitter leaves a footprint.

    • PhillyCon

      Thank you actions. Your moniker is quite right … we can b** and moan here but what good does it do in the end?

      I’m calling as well. I hope everyone with a FB account will post these numbers as well.

      Thanks again!

  • WordsFailMe

    US Army General Ham, Marine General Dunford and aircraft carrier strike group in the Middle East, Rear Admiral Gaouette have been relived of command by order of the Muslim Obama.

    The October Surprise may become the October Black Racist/Communist/Muslim overthrow of the Unites States.–I hope I am dead wrong.. God Bless us all and God bless the United States of America.

    Obama nominates ROdriguez to replace Ham.

    • Joe


      The first link is dead – add an “m” on the end

      BUT this is unbelievable

      “The BLAMER IN CHIEF” is at it again!

      I think he has gone too far this time

    • Joe

      This really GRINDS me

      “Ham was replaced by Gen. David Rodriquez on October 18th”

      They really kept this quiet – I hope this is covered on Sunday

      Thanks WFM – for really getting me angry!

      John Boehner has dropped the ball – AGAIN!

      • WordsFailMe

        It’s like a slow moving coup. I’m waiting to see more but the replacement people do not appear to be part of the conspiracy/cover up, whatever it turns out to be..There’s also info on AceOfSpades. The 30 sec replacement story may be rumor, or exaggeration but it sounds plausible if not exact.

        Regardless, it won’t change my shopping plans at Big 5 Sporting Goods today.

      • Is_Sense_Common

        Boehner has been carrying the ball for Barry & the gang all along, Joe. He never had any intention of stopping dear leader from doing anything he wanted to do.

        What needs to happened to get Boehner primaried in the next 2 years??

        • Amjean

          I read that Boehner wrote a letter. So did McCain and his creepy friend and
          Kelly Ayotte (trying to get her 15 min. of fame).

          Boehner sealed his fate with conservatives when he cried like a baby when he
          was made speaker of the house, not once, but twice. He did not tear up, he was sobbing. He is not interested in serving the people, he is interested in having the
          position. I now can tell which ones want fame and which ones want to serve.
          The ones that want to serve want to immediately get to work. I am hopeful that
          Romney is that person and from what I have seen it appears that he is.

          I think it is prudent for Romney and his campaign to lay low until after the election
          regarding the Libya consulate murders. It is tough for all of us who follow politics to believe a president could be that cold, for Petraeus and Clinton and whomever else
          to follow orders to not protect our people. However, one must remember all the
          people who don’t follow politics, who would be told that this Libya nonsense is
          all made up by Romney’s camp to win the election. They would never believe it.
          And harm could be done to Romney’s campaign. I think Romney has asked
          republicans to lay low until after the election.

          After that, I hope all hell breaks lose. The election is only 10 days away.

          • Wisewoman2

            Totally disagree. The issue of leaving innocent people to die without trying to do anything is abhorrent. If the vast majority of the voters knew this it would be a landslide defeat for Obama and democrats who have helped to cover up this fact by blaming it on a video. However, I do agree that the RNC (with Mitt’s financial help) and the outside pacs like Karl Rove should take the lead not Mitt. Ads should be run with a simple message like “while watching and listening as they came under attack in Bengahzi our president did not give the order to allow our military to come to the aid of our citizens. Is this the person we want for CIC?

            • Amjean

              No, that wouldn’t work. There is not enough time to sort it out. The mainstream
              media will cover for Obama, blaming it on Romney (or Palin LOL). By the time the
              correct information on the situation was pounded in the voter’s brain, it would be
              too late. It is not worth the risk that the disinformation might possibly harm
              Romney’s campaign. Romney is looking at the long term and I admire him for it.

              Mitt is correct to focus on the economy. When it comes right down to it, voters
              vote with their wallets.

              Wait until after the election, 8 more days, then all hell can break loose.

              • Wisewoman2

                I stand by my comment that MitT should not take the lead but the information should get out there. Maybe a video of the father saying they were responsible for his son’s death might be used along with my suggested ad. Let them accuse the father of politicizing it and see how well that goes over. It is unconsciousable that the majority of the voters do not have any inkling of Obama’s culpability in these deaths this close to the election thanks to the MSM.

                • Amjean

                  The information is getting out there, just not by Mitt’s campaign or the republicans
                  in government. It is a strategy of timing.

                  When Mitt wins, the gloves will come off.

    • I’ve had that in my mind Words from a while back, but could he be taking over the military, it seems like he just might try it. God help us if he does.

      • Joe

        This will never happen!

        • I sure as heck hope not! I’ve missed you Joe.

          • Joe

            I can only stand just a little bit of this nonsense every day

            I get too worked up and distracted!

            I love you!

            • Me too Joe, but our peeps here need us and we need them. I love you too Joe!! xox

              • Landscaper

                dang yall…. get a room ! : )

                • Yer silly Landscaper!

                • Orangeone

                  1,000 Likes for that one 🙂

                • Is_Sense_Common

                  That was exactly what I was gonna say! LOL!

                • Cindy09

                  He! He! He!

                • BlueGood

                  Dang did I miss another Group Hug???

                • Joe

                  No they are just jealous!

                • (((((((()))))))))s!!!!! BlueGood!! 😀

      • Is_Sense_Common

        I can’t see our Military allowing that to happen. Their first duty is to the people of this nation and its Constitution, right?

        • I know the majority of our troops would defend the people and our Constitution Is_Sence_ it’s some of the higher ups I worry about.

          • Orangeone

            Thinking alike again ScoopSis, sorry I posted above before reading below.

            • I do it all the time too. Don’t worry Scoopsis. 🙂

              • Orangeone

                BTW, love that Landscaper exchange 🙂 Does my heart good…

                • We’re a fun bunch. Even when we’re hurting, we still find ways to be silly. I love these folks 🙂

                • Orangeone

                  Ditto.  And we trust each other and respect each other’s views because we all love this country!

                • white531

                  I believe the silliness reflects how nervous we are, ten days away from knowing whether or not we will have a country.

                • I have to be silly once in a while, or I will go stark raving mad.

                • white531

                  AmericanborninCanada, of all the people here on this site, you are the last one I would worry about going stark raving mad. 🙂

                • I’ve been closer to it than I want to be whitefriend, but I thank God that he surrounds me with people who lift me, encourage me and remind me of His mercy. I count you as one of those. Thank you my friend. 🙂

                • white531

                  If you are close to God, you don’t need support from others. In that instance, you need to bring others closer to God, who need His Love.
                  Did I say that right?

                • Well, I do consider that God is always listening when we cry out to Him,but He answers in different ways, through His Word, a sermon, or friends. He gives us peace when we need it, but He also sends it through others. That’s what I mean.
                  I do my best to tell others and try to help them as well, but lately I am being encouraged more through people He has put in my path 🙂

                • white531

                  Just like you, to make a comment like that. So now, you put the burden on me. That’s okay. It’s an easy burden to carry.

                  If Heaven is filled with people like you, I can’t wait to get there.

                • I can’t wait either my friend. There’s going to be a wonderful reunion! I’ll see you there some day 🙂

        • Landscaper

          …against all enemies foriegn and domestic.

        • Orangeone

          And just how well did that work out in Benghazi? Some of the military leaders are bootlickers.

      • Orangeone

        My fears as well as the veterans on this thread are keeping my sane reminding me that THEY have America’s back.

        • Oh yes, of that I have NO doubt!! They are the absolute best!

          • Orangeone

            I’ll go edit that post…

    • Landscaper

      “…..Black Racist/Communist/Muslim overthrow of the Unites States.”

      Come on Words, thats NOT going to happen, buck up buddy- here in the Southeast our active military and recent vets would tell whoever to “shove it.” Even crusty old farts like me too. We the citizens have more guns/ammo than trees.

      • WordsFailMe

        I guess us conservative being held hostage in California have a whole different perspective. The Black Racist/Communist Muslim overthrow of California happened 2.5 years ago. lol

        Thanks for the thought, LS, I’m calmer now, The smell of gun cleaning oil on my fingers has the same affect as lilac toilet water or patchouli does on my fellow Californians.

        • Nukeman60

          When we take this fight to the liberals, it’s nice to know we have good men (and women) behind enemy lines. Stand strong, fellow Conservative. We will win out.

      • Orangeone

        And that’s why I can sleep at night, locked and loaded of course so I’m ready to do my part.

    • Orangeone

      This girl is locked and loaded and will stand her ground to defend this country. I may not be happy with the Repub candidate but no one gets between me and this country my father, uncle and grand father fought for in the US Navy and leaves without scars.

  • Coming Apart


  • conservative58

    Obama continues to dodge questions from reporters (the couple of reporters who dare ask him a serious question.) God forbid, Obama were to get re-elected, I have no doubt that we would never find out the truth about Benghazi. Obama ignores the Constitution and rule-of-law today, so I’m sure in a second term he would refuse to answer to anyone!

    This administration has a lot of blood on its hands. The families of the Benghazi (and Fast & Furious) victims deserve to know the truth. Those responsible need to be punished.

    America deserves better!

  • They were not “unprepared”. This was a conscious decision on the part of Obama and his administration for political expediency because of the election!

    • DCGere

      Exactly. My military boyfriend says there is NO EXCUSE for not receiving backup after so many hours of fighting, when support was clearly nearby. Shameful…

  • Americans instinctively know that what happened on 9/11/2012 was not right. We don’t just give up on Americans in danger and give up BEFORE even putting up a fight. Who gave the “stand down” order and why? We could have had an armed AC-130 gunship in the area in about two hours. It probably would not have saved the ambassador and his assistant, but it certainly could have saved the two Navy SEALS at the CIA annex, a fight that went on for several hours. But we did NOTHING, and for Leon Panetta to say that we just didn’t have enough “intelligence” to do ANYTHING is not just being disingenuous, it’s criminal. And if Panetta took his marching orders from the White House, then Obama and his minions are guilty of being accessories to murder. Because that’s what it was. Withholding military help from Americans who were desperately calling for it is just plain criminal.

    • AlabamaPatriot2
      • Landscaper

        Saw an entire show on History Channel on the C-130, it’s death on wings!

        • AlabamaPatriot2

          Designed especially to send many Mooooozlems to see Allah. At once.

          • Orangeone

            I’ll consent to send in extra tax money if it goes exclusively to building and deploying more C-130s

        • Joe
        • Terrenceor

          The C-130 is a cargo and troop transport aircraft. The AC-130 is the close air support aircraft. If you were a bad guy, you would not want to draw the attention of the AC-130. Also know as Puff the Magic Dragon during the Vietnam Era, because it circled in the sky at night breathing fire whenever it unleashed its weapons on a target.

          • Landscaper

            Question: The C-130 tilts it’s wing and the big side window has that huge gun mounted that blast thousands of rounds, right? The wing tilt puts fire on the ground targets….

            • white531

              I worked for Lockheed for many years. The C-130 is one of the best aircraft they ever produced. It really wasn’t a specific aircraft, like others. It was more of a military platform with wings. It could be configured to do almost anything, except fly fast.

              Lockheed configured and re-engineered the airplane repeatedly to do almost anything the Military could think of. Puff, The Magic Dragon, was just one.

              It doesn’t need a fancy runway. It can land and take off on a dirt field, and it doesn’t need much room to do that. Troops or cargo, it doesn’t matter. Few aircraft ever produced in this country, gave so much value for the dollar spent.

              Didn’t mean to get off the subject. I just love the aircraft. It has served this country well, and continues to do so. Here in Tucson, Davis Monthan Air Force base has probably a hundred or more of these wonderful aircraft in mothballs. All the engine inlets and other openings are taped up against dust or weather, and they are just sitting there, waiting to go back in service. Just takes few days to put them in the air again.

              The only reason I even mention all of this, is that I want you to know this country has a strong and ready Military. We have the equipment. Your tax dollars already purchased the equipment.

              What we are lacking, is true leadership, to use what we already have.

              I believe that is what this election is about.

              For those of you who like airplanes, here is a page or two of information about the C-130, courtesy of the United States Air Force:


              • Landscaper

                Thank you so much. You are a wealth of knowledge on military matters. I think you helped me on the San Antonio as how it is classed. I was wrong believing she was a battleship. If that was you, I sent a thxs. Maybe we could buy one and get a pilot to haul us around…. my father-in-law is a pilot and loaded. Maybe he could get one out of moth balls….. no chance!!!!

    • Orangeone

      Panetta and Betrayus should be court-martialed and tried for treason. If Panetta is saying that the requests from two Navy Seals is insufficient intel, he should be dropped from a Black Hawk over Pakistan without a parachute. Those two brave men layed down their lives trying to save two Americans and they would have done the same to save Panetta and to quote Judge Pirro during an interview – he tossed them under the bus and ran back and forth over them a few times.

    • Amjean

      Don’t forget the lies of Hillary Clinton that she even extended to one of the fathers
      of the killed, telling him they were going to arrest the maker of the youtube video
      they blamed initially.

      Don’t forget Joe Biden who was with the president and Panetta (I think) at 5 pm
      for a meeting on the early evening of the attack. It is he who said to this same
      father something about the size of his son’s balls – trying to make a joke.

  • John Mclame is an A$$! He’s one of the idiots who pushed to arm the “rebels” in the first place, and he’s wanting to do the same in Syria now! He’s got nerve.

    As for the rest of this story… brain dead, or just a muslim lovin’ marxist dear leader BA$TARD.
    Call or e mail your congress, call or e mail John Boehner and demand treason charges against this administration!

    • Orangeone

      Was McCain part of the gun walking to Syria? Sorry, rhetorical question. He isn’t worth my fingers.

  • Susitna

    When I hear and follow all the information we are getting about the assassinations in Benghazi I cannot understand that Gen. Colin Powell and Col. Lawrence Wilkerson still think that they have to vote for Obama because he is black and the GOP is racist??!!
    The question mentioned above: “Are they brain-dead or loyalty-dead”? must be really asked.

    Anyone who belongs or belonged to the Armed Forces and respects the Constitution of the U.S.A. doesn’t have any decent reason to vote for Obama. And if they do, they must be called traitors. They know very well what happened in Benghazi and in Fort Hood, they know about Obama’s and Hillary’s support to the Muslim Brotherhood and they know about the plans to subordinate our Armed Forces to the U.N.

    • actionsspeaklouder

      Check Drudge – a mail plane with voter ballots for the military has crashed and the “mail” has been destroyed. I hate to be in constant “conspiracy” mode – but, I put nothing past this corrupt administration and Axelrod. They had better get those ballots to our men and women over seas or where ever they are. The “crash” (if it was an honest crash) was “force majeure” – an accident caused by force of nature and no one’s fault. Our military should be mailed replacement ballots immediately no matter what so they can vote.

    • Orangeone

      Two more that should accompany Panetta in that Black Hawk and be dropped over Pakistan without parachutes.

  • odin147

    This is what happens when you spend 4 yrs spinning the folks and not governing.

  • Obama has quietly replaced all of our top military brass with political hacks……I certainly hope prison time is in the near future for this whole administration. Totally Disgusting!

  • Yep, so who approved the stand down order, who approved fast and furious and who is running this country?

    • Is_Sense_Common

      The Teleprompter?

    • Orangeone

      And were any of them involved with the Ft. Hood moooslim murderer not being disciplined for his extremism before the murders occurred?

  • Army_Pilot1967

    obama is incompetent, corrupt, and clueless in the Benghazi mess. Why doesn’t the corrupt and incompetent media question obama/administration about the lack of decisive action to save our people at the embassy? I doubt if obama is losing sleep over the deaths of our citizens in Libya!!!!

    I just read that General Carter Ham, Command AFRICOM, who was assembling a reaction force has been relieved of command. He was relieved on the spot after telling the Pentagon that he had a force ready to go to the aid of the embassy. I don’t guess obama wanted anyone at the embassy saved from the terrorists!!!! I’ve got to go back and read that article again to get the reported information down pat.

    • I agree with the corrupt part Army_Pilotfriend, but I think dear leader knew all along and had his own purposes for leaving them to die. He’s a treasonous Ba$tard.

      • Orangeone

        If I may, dead men cannot talk about guns that walk. I think they were walking guns to Syria and the Administration learned with F&F not to leave witnesses behind that could become whistleblowers.

  • of course, NOBODY said “stand down”, like nobody gave millions of dollars to buy guns for mex drug lords……
    NOBODY. And you know who is “nobody”; pun intended.

    • Is_Sense_Common

      That [email protected] little “nobody” punk – he’s always comin’ in messin up my house too. Just ask my kids. Oh wait, his name’s “Not Me.” Probably an alias.

  • For God’s sake General, every Obama supporter has been and continues to be Brain dead since 2009 and continuing. Please face reality.

    • Patriot077

      And why on earth would the General have utmost respect for Panetta? He was appointed to hollow out the military! Not to mention he’s a commie.

  • PhillyCon

    OT … b/c RS has not posted yet.

    Two cars get vandalized and keyed “Obama” on the hood.

    • Gotta love the irony, but what punks. It’s only going to get worse.

    • Wonder what they would do if they saw this sign (you have to scroll down to where someone made it show up in the thread)

      • conservative58

        K-Bob — that sign is a hoot!

        • Yeah. Anyone want to bet that that banner is being guarded by Messrs. Smith & Wesson?

      • PhillyCon

        I love homemade signs!

  • Landscaper

    If we are throwing out theories, I have one. Say Obama gets reelected. Everyone remember the Million Man March on the Mall in Washington D.C. several years back? Well a 5 million “Pissed-off Conservatives March” on Pennsylvania Avenue would get the MSM’s, Congress attention. Obama would crap his pants and go to the basement’s safe room.

    People aren’t going to stand for another 4 years of his crap and sit on their hands and just take it. Collectively honest, hard working Americans would make Occupy Wall Street look like amateur hour. People take Heart and be Brave, this bozo can screw the economy, the military but We The People will take just so much !

    • If he gets re-elected, it will only be via pure fraud.

    • conservocop

      We’ve taken far too much already. This bum should have been thoroughly roasted when he arrogantly dismissed the ft. Hood masacre as ‘ workplace violence ‘ . If he is re-elected, impeachment should be sought vis a vis millions of citizen signatures from accross the country. Insist that the congress take action !!!

      • Landscaper

        Already wrote to mine, everyone on TRS should do as well !

    • white531

      I hope you are right, landscaper. But everything he has tried so far, has worked flawlessly.

      • Landscaper

        white531, the BUCK stops with us the American people from now on. Don’t forget it ok.

  • Orangeone

    Death of the Ambassador, Mr. Smith and two very brave former Navy Seals, Mr. Doherty and Mr. Woods who heard the calls for help and went to their aid against orders!

  • Conservative_Hippie

    This whole Benghazi coverup is making so sick I could puke!

    • white531

      Get in line. 🙂

  • NJK

    Yes, everyone in Washington D.C. is brain dead. They’ve let this Muslim Brotherhood stooge infiltrate the White House, and then they wonder why this is happening. Yes, they are brain dead. Perhaps when another 9/11 happens close to them, it will wake them out of their Obama induced coma. This man shouldn’t have been permitted anywhere near our White House. He’s the enemy within.

    From his own mouth. And he did exactly as he said he would.

    In “Audacity of Hope” he writes: “I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.” ~ Barack Hussein Obama

    The quote comes from page 261 of the paperback edition of “The Audacity of Hope.

    • Speaking of “brain dead.” Your “quotation” from Audacity of Hope is reworded to give it a meaning that is not its original meaning. In other words, to tell a lie. THIS is the original:

      “Of course, not all my conversations in immigrant communities follow this easy pattern. In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans, for example, have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging. They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need specific assurances that their citizenship really means something, that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during World War II, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”

      • white531

        Words from a twisted mind.

  • Paratisi

    We know the only one with the power to give such a Treasonous order! The Murderer-in-chief himself! This was an act of Betrayal Worthy of Judas! As I heard another Blogger state, with the idea of trading Stevens for the Blind Sheik, is the only way the Order to “Stand Down” makes any sense! President Judas Is guilty of and needs to be Indicted for TREASON! The Obama Jihadi media who are covering for this Heartless Beast, are also complicit in the 4 Murders. Unless the eSTAB-lishment Republicans want to Smear themselves with the Blood of the Murdered Americans, they better get on this Indictment or watch their constituents start to lay blame at their feet, as well! They can’t cover for the Murderer-in-chief on this one like they did on Fast & Furious!
    Bloggers join the fight agaqinst the Obama Jihadi media! Important Link & ADDENDUM on How to take on the Obama Jihadi media & Win:

    God Bless America!

  • 911Infidel

    “whoever gave the stand down order to our forces at the annex in Benghazi is responsible for killing Ambassador Stevens and Sean Smith”.

    Yep. All shite rolls both ways, uphill and downhill. The buck stops with the CnC. They should all be brought up on charges for manslaughter. Any military personnel involved in that negative decision should face an article 132 hearing. This is the absolute definition of dereliction of duty.

    • WordsFailMe


      • 911Infidel

        I was looking for your original posting about that link on Gen Ham. I hadn’t seen that. If true Gen Ham needs to rat out his traitor of a boss. And I’m beginning to wonder if that Strike Force Admiral was relieved for similar reasons. This is what little spoiled rich boys do. They blame their mistakes on others. Rather than accept responsibility for their f-ups, they can do only what is natural to them….which is to lead from behind and find a scapegoat. Obama is no thug. He’s a punk among men.

  • WordsFailMe

    ——————–OBAMA, SON OF FLUBBER————————


    Obama, through contacts with the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood (EMB,) set up the October Surprise scam in summer 2012, maybe earlier.

    1- On 9/11/2012, the EMB would provide protests in Cairo and other Arab cities demanding the release of the Blind Sheikh
    2, A Turkish official would demand an after-hours meeting with Stevens to ensure that the ambassador would be forced to spend the night of 9/11 at the relatively undefended Benghazi consulate compound.
    3. EMB Operatives in Benghazi would kidnap Obama Ambassador Chris Stevens.
    4. Within days, the EMB would offer to intercede on behalf of the US and later guarantee the release of Stevens contingent on the simultaneous release of the Blind Sheikh.
    5. On or about Oct 26, Obama would negotiate the deal, save Ambassador Stevens and make himself a hero, demonstrating both his wisdom and his influence over the violent Muslim world.
    6. Oct 26 –Nov 6: Obama wouldl continuously spike the Stevens ball and the Bin Laden ball and be re-elected by a landslide of Obama worshipers.


    1.The Keystone Terrorists in Benghazi, missing the quick capture, decide to set fire to the consulate with diesel fuel to smoke out the ambassador. Gasoline would have created an adequate fire but the terrorists use diesel, which doubles or even triples the amount of smoke and Steven strangles.
    2. At the CIA Annex, operatives hear the gunfire and see the messages for help coming from the consulate. Someone asks for permission to assist. Later reports show this:

    a. CIA operatives were ordered to stand down.
    b. No one at the CIA ever told anyone to stand down.


    –The CIA Operatives at the annex dialed the State Dept.
    –The CIA Operatives at the annex dialed the Pentagon.
    –The CIA Operatives at the annex dialed the wrong number.
    –The CIA Operatives at the annex dialed the CIA.
    –None of the CIA operatives dialed anyone but a senior State Department official or US Military officer at the annex, and who was part of the October surprise scenario, gave the order to stand down.

    Finding out in real time that the Keystone terrorists had “queered” the operation by letting Stevens asphyxiate, Obama and the women who surround him go into conference. The morning of the 12th, Obama is vague in the Rose Garden. Later, taping a 60 Minutes video, he is more frank. Still later, Valerie and Hillary, hormones set to “mama,” convince the Obamachild to stay on campaign and to execute PLAN B where in the blame for the violence is attached to a little known video which has received some minor interest in the middle east tv in the last few days, The menopausal White House choir begins to sing:

    — “A videographer in California caused the riots, doo-dah, doo-dah….”

    It is imperative that all Obama operatives get the prophet slandering video story out quickly before the EMB starts promoting the “Blind Sheikh “ scenario. Following the death of the Ambassador, millions of Muslims demanding the release of the Blind Sheikh simply won’t be credible especially with Americans who were unlikely to believe that Muslims would stage protest and kill an Ambassador before the sheikh is released. The Obamerrhoid Cabal is alive and kicking and heading out onto the road and it was the evening of the second day…

    • famouswolf

      Plausible over all.

      One question: I thought someone said Stevens was moving in the video after he was dragged out of the burning building?

      • WordsFailMe

        Statements included reports by the looters of mercy that they found him still alive and were praising Allah for a miracle.

        I want to believe that part. I really do.

        • famouswolf

          I can’t. So the terrorists then did their thing, I guess.

          I am so enraged this week I think I’m losing weight I’m such a burn. Face feels flushed all the time, catch my hands shaking. Don’t think I’ve ever been this mad before.

          • SoLongSong

            I’m with you there, ‘cept I’m nauseous. This nightmare cannot be over soon enough. This has been the longest four years of my life, and I thought Clinton’s reign (the first President when I’d decided what my politics were) was bad.

            He’s a BOY Scout compared to 0.

          • WordsFailMe

            I dreamed Benghazi last night and woke up talking about it, to myself. My wife finally told me to stop mumbling or go back to bed. I had to write this today because it sticks in my craw like a hot coal. I still can’t relax. Maybe its the coffee. Maybe its the sound of Ty’s father when he calmly says the word “murderer.”

    • Orangeone

      Obama, married to Flubber

    • white531

      Words, I don’t know where you got that, but if it even represents half the truth, of what happened, then this Imposter of a President, is in deep sh*t.

      Watergate, was a joke, compared to this. Because of his arrogance, because of his attitude, toward all the things America holds dear, I sincerely hope he is brought to task, for this failure of leadership.

      His lying, his failure to lead this country, his destruction of our economy, his bowing to foreign leaders, his crippling of our military, his crying to give him four more years. For what? So he can complete the destruction he started four years ago?

      I am good with words. I have no problem with words. I have no words, to describe my revulsion of this President.

      • WordsFailMe

        I woke up still mumbling about Benghazi this morning and had to write it down. White–this lie and the efforts of good people to come to terms with what the truth is, is giving no good man or woman any peace. The vision I wrote, and it could go many more pages, all of it being just speculation, insinuation and educated wag, recapitulated by many more people. See Nukeman’s estimate in this thread.

        The longer the criminal Obama stays quiet, the greater the speculation and distrust will grow. By the time election day comes around, Obama himself may experience what it was like for VietNam Returnees when they stepped back into the world and onto the Tarmac in 1969 and were greeted by the spitting hippies at the gate.That it a moment I would give anything to see.

  • AbdulBX

    Des Moines Register endorsed Mitt Romney.

    • conservative58

      This may be more of an open thread discussion – it appears Obama’s approval rating is tanking as well.

      I didn’t think this endorsement was too big of a deal at first. But apparently it’s the first time the paper has endorsed a GOP candidate in 40 years!

      The article seems to allude that the endorsement was more on Romney’s ability to turn the economy around. But I wonder if the unfolding of the Benghazi fiasco might also be a factor.

    • SoLongSong

      Whoa, that’s HUGE! The Register leans left!

  • Amjean

    We citizens can “Monday Morning Quarterbacking” any old time we want. These
    people work for us. Don’t ever forget it. Our tax dollars pay ALL of their salaries.
    ALL of the lying traitors.

    • Orangeone

      And their lifetime of cushy benefits.

  • Amjean

    Additionally, we citizens should start quarterbacking everything our government
    does, whether its origin is with a democrat or republican. It is our duty.

    • Orangeone

      Thank you for that. Both parties are to blame for this economic mess.

  • deeme

    I am witnessing with my own two end to my country, with the willing help of half of the people who live in it …OK. with voting for more of it..LD is right he could of killed those four on tape, with his own two hands and they would still vote for him..They seriously think we don’t need a military, and the people who died before U.S. died for nothing.

    • famouswolf

      Not yet. It won’t be that easy.

      I will not believe half the country is going to vote for o.

      Fight the despair, you are not alone.

      • conservocop

        I pray daily there are enough of us to counter the dem losers and voter abusers to counter this evil mess – and it is an evil mess.

      • deeme

        Thank you so much, that’s why I come here, because when I watch my local news , I feel certain, we are being taken over by gangs of crazies..even mothers of small children ..Three in the last three days…If we feel unsafe, how must it be for small children, if they even make it here in the first place..

    • Nukeman60

      It’s not really 50% of the country. It’s only 50% of the 9% that respond to the polls who are for Obama (that equates to 1000 people x 9% x 50% = 45 people – and half of them are thinking of changing their minds).

      • deeme

        I pray you are right…

  • sjmom

    The general is right. Whoever told the CIA to stand down is responsible for the murders. I have listened to several people who know what transpires in these situations and everyone has agreed it is Obama who would give this order.

  • 2besusie

    Jeanine Pirro has Tyrone Woods’ father and siblings on her Fox show tonight. The show repeats later if you missed it.

    • conservocop

      Thanks 2b – I did miss it with all the pre-Sandy fears here in MD.. She does a good job, and I definitely hope catch her interview.

      • Orangeone

        You are in my thoughts and prayers along with MiketheMarine who is also in #Sandy’s path.

        • conservocop

          Thank you Orangeone. There are many good-hearted people who frequent this site. It’s easy to see why there is such passion here for Romeny’s being successful.

          • Orangeone

            We have a great leader in Scoop and fabulous moderators in K-Bob and AmericanBorninCanada that helps us to be a great nationwide family.

    • Orangeone

      Hopefully Scoop will post. I get her tweets so when she posts it, I will post either on the open thread, if we have one, or a current thread.


    WOW, I hope people are watching FOX.

    Jenene just DESTROYED OBUMMER and his re-election.

    Ain’t gonna happen now, O-BLAME-O, she invoked everthing good about our military, and everything idiotic about you/OBOZO and your minions.

    Just devestating!!!

    Mitt was going to win anyway with the first debate take down even without BENGHAZI.

    When O sat on his lead, and everyone saw Mitt was not a killer, it was all over.

    NOW the country is wondering, is Oh-uh-oh really as bad as we on the right said?
    WHY YES, he is even worse.

    PANETTA, why did you get drawn in to this fiasco? Even though we know you are a major league progressive with Commine ties? Thanks for giving (FORCING ) THE ORDER TO TAKE OUT osama, (YES WE KNOW IT WAS YOU, NOT o), but this protecting o’s re-election of a discusting progressive divisive President is going to take down your career too.

    Good luck with that !

    Seen some disturbing charges on some web sites about Panetta even before this story happened.

    DAVID PETREUS, do not protect theses idiots with your stellar career.

    Just resign, and let the facts fly !!!!!

    • Is_Sense_Common

      I saw that too! She was the first one I’ve seen demonstrating the outrage I’m feeling. She was on fire!


    Is there a possibility that 0 consulted Valjar? We know she calls the shots. From what I read, he doesn’t make a move without her blessing. Ironically, she has security at all times, from going to work to shopping to vacations. How great!! Plus she was born and has ties with Iran.

  • Wigglesworth111

    There was an empty chair in the situation room on 9/11.

    • Orangeone

      And because of that, there will be 4 empty chairs at Thanksgiving and Christmas dinners forever.

      • white531

        That hurts, Orangeone, but it is the truth.

        • Orangeone

          Sorry white, should have phrased that a little softer.

          I know we have #emptychair trending on Twitter after debate #1.  I’m not creative but will suggest here and on Twitter a hashtag around the holidays to honor those that are not joining their families, including the military heroes lost.  If anyone has an idea for a good hashtag, please post.

  • Nukeman60

    It’s my turn for Monday morning quarterbacking, just ’cause I’m so [email protected] mad:

    1) Requests for added security prior to 9/11 was denied.

    2) The Consolate was attacked a little over an hour after the Turkish Consul General left Stevens.

    3) Requests to go from the annex to the Consulate (which could have saved the first two men killed) resulted in multiple ‘stand down’ orders.

    4) Requested assistance was denied during the fight of the annex (which would have saved the last two men).

    5) The cover excuse of the video was pre-determined (including a rapid creation of an ‘apology ad’).

    Now, conspiracy theory or not, I believe that Obama, through Stevens, was running weapons from Libya to Syria via Turkey (probably why Obama felt added security was not needed, as he was on the side of the insurgents here). Either the conversation between Stevens and the Turkish Consul General went south (and the Turk then notified Obama) or Obama decided seperately that Stevens must go. This would explain the lack of security, the ‘stand down’ order, the refusal of assistance throughout and an overall resulting action plan of ‘just standing by’ till it was over.

    Obama is more than just complicit in this murder of 4 American men, two of which were outright heroes. His hands are bloody. This cannot be covered up till after the election. The American people must have the answers to this fiasco before election day, as it is paramount to their stopping an evil man from usurping the office of President for another 4 years.

    The media fails to do their job (except for FOX and Conservative websites), and the politicians all fail to do their jobs in uncovering this story. If it looks like it will be uncovered before election day, watch for Obama to start screaming Executive Privilege once again. If that happens, we must kick him out immediately, with whatever means we have at our disposal.

    It’s that important.

  • Sober_Thinking

    This is easy…

    Stevens repeatedly asked for more security assets (before the attack) and was basically told to stop asking.

    Security assets were thinned out and some removed.

    There were multiple terrorist attacks in the area (Red Cross, British Consulate, 2 on the American Embassy) and Al Queda flags flying from time to time on multiple buildings in the area.

    The day of his murder (Sept 11th – Islamic terrorists are freaks about dates and their symbolism), Stevens said again things weren’t safe there.

    During the attack, three times they asked for help and were refused – even though military assests were close by and they lazed the building where mortars were being launched from.

    Obama says the violence was because of a movie but then weeks later, wants to say he always called it “an act of terror” (acts of terror) – but never used the word: terrorist, once. And then references the movie 6 times while speaking to the U.N. – two weeks after the attack.

    Obama has Carney, Hillary and Rice go around and blame the movie… and then claims he was always saying it wasn’t the movie (since the 12th).

    Even today he won’t really answer legitimate questions about the attack.

    This is so clearly a cover up and Obama has no business being the pResident, let alone running for re-election… he needs to clear the air and man-up. But, being a petulent child, that’s too much to ask and it would undoubtedly result in him losing his bid for re-election.

  • stage9

    But even IF Panetta did give the actual kill order for Bin Laden, he couldn’t have done it without WH authorization. So in the case of Benghazi, the same is true and the president is STILL guilty! He could’ve given an order but instead, being the little punk he is, gave an order to stand down.

  • skspls

    Whoever denied proper secutity at the Benghazi consulate prior to the 9/11 attack is directly responsible for the deaths of four Americans. Reactive response is not leadership.

  • white531

    Well, this post was obviously, hands down, the post of the evening. Thanks, Scoop. You seem to have the ability to always inspire our emotions.

    Benghazi. What a tragedy. What a failure of leadership. What a perfect example of Obama’s leadership, or lack, thereof.

    What an incredible thing, we are experiencing right now. We are being attacked on all fronts, by Muslims, and our own President is a Muslim, and is complicit, in the attacks.

    And yet, the Americans among us, who voted for him the first time, are perfectly willing to vote for him again. I feel like, Alice in Wonderland. The rabbit is starting to make sense.

    If he is elected for a second term, I am seriously considering moving to another country. Costa Rica, Panama, or even Bali.

    Four more years of Obama, will destroy this country. There won’t be anything left, of the dream of Jefferson, Franklin, and Adams.

    Al Sharpton has taken the place of Jefferson. Obama has usurped the wisdom and leadership of Washington.

    This country is filled to overflowing, with ignorant, stupid, people. And each and every one of them has the right to vote. God help us.

  • white531

    Such a great community. So much great input on what we are all facing.
    Sometimes, I wish we were in Washington, instead of these worthless politicians. A man can dream.

  • white531

    In closing this evening, my only comment would be that it appears that some of the lame stream media, are jumping ship. It would appear that too much bullshit does cause indigestion, at some point.

    Refreshing to see. One more indication, that stupidity, is a temporary affliction, and recovery is possible.

  • Or maybe the stand down limited the casualties to just a few instead of setting off an even worse series of events. Its impossible to know for sure how the alternative scenario would have played out but everyone is entitled to their opinion. So here we have a stark contrast between a horrible incident that happened in real time and a Utopian alternative reality made up hindsight. Anyone can do that.

    • A laser-painted target is a very accurate target for our weapons. Blowing up that target would have likely ended the battle. Collateral damage would be very limited, but totally worth the risk because WE WERE UNDER ATTACK.

      To hell with worrying about how it’s seen by the locals.

  • So when the hell do we tar and feather those responsible???

  • The employment of super-sonic aircraft is not a choice that should have been made. With no ordnance hanging and only flying above the area with afterburner, on station flights would have been only 40 minutes. I have been to many air shows, this one, in Libya, would have been just one more. In the Muslim world, this would have been a huge sign of weakness! I worked in a Muslim nation embassy, I am afraid I know of what I speak!

    Obama did not response because it is international law to provide security for the embassy, this is done by the host nation, in this case, Libya. By doing what it seems would have been required, Obama would be taking unilateral action, without international approval, which is exactly what Obama has been working against doing from day 1!

    He also damn sure did not want to have another “Desert 1” that Carter had, just prior to the election with Reagan. Should operators be deployed from Italy, they would have been in Benghazi in about 3.5 hours. There would have been losses, as in any operation, especially one planned on the fly.

    The Operators are never the problem, it is always the Officers and Politicians that fail to respond. These operators know what they were facing and would go into that situation to a man!

    Obama is a failure as a President and as a Commander in Chief! Vote Romney, Please!

  • Kordane

    I disagree with the claim that whoever gave the “stand down” order is “responsible for killing the ambassador”, just as I would disagree with the claim that a policeman who fails to protect someone from a murderer is “responsible” for the death of the victim.

    The jihadists are the ones responsible for killing the ambassador, just as a murderer is responsible for the death of the victim.

    It’s just emotional claptrap to say otherwise.

    • I suppose David wasn’t responsible for the death of Bathsheba’s husband either.

      • Kordane

        I don’t know what you’re referring to.

        • WinMissouri

          Reference to King David in the Holy Bible. He was an adulterer. He slept with Bathsheba, King David sent her husband to the front lines where he was killed.

  • What makes this even more damning is they had assets overhead in the form of a AC-130U Specter gunship and refused to let it fire.

    From the Fox news expose we learned this: “The security officer had a laser on the target that was firing and repeatedly requested back-up support from a Spectre gunship, which is commonly used by U.S. Special Operations forces to provide support to Special Operations teams on the ground involved in intense firefights.”

    Pay special attention to that statement. The security officer was painting a target with a laser designator. You don’t do that unless the AC-130 is close enough to acquire the target. The gunship was there, otherwise there is absolutely no point in painting the target in the middle of a firefight.

    And now two different sources are confirming my suspicions:

    Here’s the other one:

    People please make sure you vote.

  • hosepipe

    I hope they were happy with the Military-Porn coming from the drone(s) watching America get screwed.. What kind of Pizza did they have?.. Roosting Rooster?

    A hard rain will fall over this.. Who will rat out Obama?.. Its obvious where the problem is..

  • Tom Nally

    The word is that Carter Ham was chomping at the bit to engage, and had assets ready to go.

  • AtlEsquire1973

    I wish the Honorable CIA Director, General Petraeus should resign and come forward and tell We, the People, what happened and that Obama allegedly told him to send NO help and allow Americans to be murdered. The General is a man of Honor, and telling the truth is the Honorable thing to do. His loyalty may prevent him from doing so, but his loyalty should be with The People.

  • Fireplug52

    Though I do not consider myself qualified to pass judgement on those in military leadership, i.e. Joint Chiefs of Staff, Commanding General, AFRICOM, but as retired military I cannot for the life of me understand why these leaders are not showing their disgust for the decision not to support an operation to at least provide assistance to the Ambassador and those brave souls who list their lives, by resigning their positions.

    Is it the political correct atmosphere that so envelopes them that they have become immune to such blatant dereliction of duty?

    Why do I say that? Well, given my experience with 26 years in the Army, I am well aware of the standards that they would have held me responsible should I have been so neglectful in protecting my most important assets, my people.

    Ask anyone who has served that has lost anyone in combat the consequences on their soul. Though I cannot relate to such a thing, thank God, but the ones I know who have, it has blemished their soul and it is a mark they carry for the rest of their lives.

    So it is this reason, who these men/women are in charge of such commands, stand by and not let their voices be heard because of such atrocities and incompetence to happen that I’m utterly appalled at our military leadership in our armed forces today. Do we have no shame?

    I could go on with other instances of incompetence within our armed forces these past fourteen years since I retired, but it is not relevant to this thread, but what is, is what incompetence has permeated the ranks has now shown itself by its fruit and the fruit is rotten.

  • Do we need every single detail of what is going on with SANDY ? What time did the fifth leaf fall on 12th street , how wet the dogs feet got ?

  • lgp42

    Withholding assistance. Some defenders of the administration issued the following challenge: “So what would be the motivation for withholding assistance to the ambassador and others under attack in the Benghazi compound and the nearby annex?” Motive?. Well, maybe what happened was part of an ill conceived plan to allow the ambassador to be captured as a step toward facilitating a prisoner exchange for the blind sheik. The problem is the ambassador died in the assault. This possible scenario seems to fit many of the events leading up to the 9/11/12 event, e.g., the earlier bombing attacks on the U.S. consulate, attacks on the Red Cross that drove them from the area, and the earlier evacuation of the British from their consulate. These events surely demonstrated the active security threat by Islamic extremists in the Benghazi area. So why was the American ambassador in the area without a sufficient security detail? Without Marine Guards? Not saying this is what happened, but it provides a possible “supposed motivation” for what happened. That is, a possible way to comply with Muslin Brotherhood (a.k.a., Islamic extremists) demands to free the blind sheik. Kind of has the same smell as the “Fast and Furious” gun running scandal and its stone walling and cover up. We’ll just have to wait and see what’s finally disclosed.

  • Oral Deckard

    The essential aid that made the attack successful was the reduction in security, followed by protracted restraint of our troops until the deed was finished. That is giving aid to the enemy. Read

  • When people realize that the GOP is doing nothing but blocking the President to quiet their rapid base of racists, nut jobs and conspiracy theorists, the better. McCain an angry, bitter old fool. Absolutely no grounds to block Rice, the only scandal is how the GOP abused this tragic event for political gain.

  • Petraeus killed their conspiracy meme already. That’s dead in the water. The facts aren’t backing them up. Suggesting that this “cover up” (NOT proven, there is not even any factual reason to suggest this other than political dreams of a deeply EMBARRASSED party) is worsetergate demonstrates how far Republicans have gone off the rails in their attempt to get one good smear on this President. Not going to happen.

  • sda53

    Benghazi has been put on back burner with all this other stuff. obama murdered Americans and must be held accountable. Congress finally hearing of his not ever being qualified for office. Better late than never. They will not impeach for they know he is not legal. He gave stand down order for if not our military would have followed normal procedure and rescued these men. He was making sure no witness to his smuggling to our enemies. He is a criminal, sending our money to build up our enemies for years. Jihad on our soil to attack who???? Fema camps and coffins for who???? He has proven he is a traitor and not an American and has no respect for the people or their lives. Get him and his administration of muslim brotherhood out now. We demand justice and accountability now.

  • sda53

    @Rita Race has nothing to do with obama’s actions. He gave the stand down order for only he had the authority in this situation. If he had not normal procedure would have been followed and the men would have been rescued. Rice is a liar. What if it had been your child? Would you have the same views? Do not be stupid. Our president murdered Americans and must be held accountable and we demand justice. He has jihad training on our soil  armed with the stockpiled ammo and guns to use against who??? Fema camps and coffins stockpiled for who??? The race card has been worn out so get over it and look at the man. He was placed in office to bring this country down by our enemies. We demand the deportation of all illegal aliens who have criminal backgrounds, associated with our enemies which includes obama, muslim brotherhood or do not want to be legal citizens. Learn the language, pay taxes, work to support you families and pay taxes. Congress is finally hearing on obama’s lack of eligibility to ever have held office. His own grandmother spoke of the day he was born in Kenya. He said many times when in Chicago he was Kenyan and brought up muslim. Where have you been? God Bless America.