When is enough enough?
If the gop is just dem lite - why would you continue to support a party that does not stand up for its principles?
Finally, I would rather go and lose as a 3rd party then to support a party that continues to fold and lie about what they are going to do - they continue to fold and they do not fight - they talk tough at first then fold - they do not come out when their own r being attacked e.g. Cruz and Palin plus
If the gop won't stand up then I say go for the 3rd party
http://cfp4us.org/ Please check it out Doc. We need all the great patriots we can find.
I am glad that you and others are trying to connect with Gov Palin - please keep me updated - Thanks so much!!
She's been a busy lady. I've tweeted and some of us have been e mailing trying to get a hold of her. We're still working on it, so no, she hasn't commented yet.
Hey, ABinC, you need to shoot Levin an email with the info of all the work you've been doing, third party wise.
By all means, stick with what doesn't work. Nothing is viable till you actually try it.
To prospective candidates: Many voters have already gone third party, though there's no 'viable' third party to go to. Parties emerge to serve a cause, just as the original republican party formed around the abolition issue, and people organize around the cause long before the politicians arrive on the scene.
The current viable parties are busy serving themselves. While I wait for my third party to emerge, I'd rather vote for my grandfather than for a politician who is participating in the destruction of our country.
Does anyone know the "why" behind these republican governors decision? What reasons are they giving for the apparent betrayal?
How about, "The Constitution Party," Mark Levin? And you be our leader! No one knows the US Constitution like you.
And just like you, Mr. Levin, we, the people, are vomiting out here watching our country go bankrupt!
How about The Constitutional Freedom Party?
we might be surprised how many Americans would vote for the NEW, 3rd, Conservative Party.
Tea party is there (here!) already...
"There is a 3rd party and it's called the TEA Party. If enough people support it they will have a silent coup and kick the Establishment Republicans out the door." TLaMana below.
Which Mark Levin leads already. Mark, don't give up. Did Jesus? Seriously, did Jesus say. "I give you truth everyday and look what you do with it?" and then throw in the towel? We can't complain that the world hates truth. Of course we can and do, but to what end? It is a given. Jesus said that when he returned he wants to see us working. Doing what? Complaining or working? We have to resume the local Tea Party chapters and combine it with prayer, widespread prayer. That's what Sarah Palin advocates when she quotes Chronicles... We also have to realize that there are only enough jobs available for 1/3 of the people out of work, and so there is a need for Scott Walker and others to do some intermediate measures. We have to focus positively on getting people back to work as well as returnng to founding principles. It's a dual job. The Immigration problem is first in tackilng the job problem. Focus on one problem at a time. It is not childish dreams to work methodically and faithfully.
MArk we need you to complete the work you have begun. Call for every chapter of the Tea Party to reconvene, focus first and foremost on Christian prayer, and then the goals of Immigration reform. Jesus said, "A man who doesn't take care of his family is worse than an unbeliever." By this principle, we need to take care of our famlily first, Americans out of work, and return jobs to them. Call in leading conservatives that have shown insight into specific issues to ask them to lead that cause. Don't everyone spread himself/herself so thin. Dont' despair because we are working, to the end. Absolutely.
The sentiments to support all good principles already exist in huge portion. There is an enormous power there waiting to be tapped. IF we are faithful and begin to meet in local groups, faithfully with healing prayer and simple, manageable goals and coordination of efforts, there is enormous power to be released. You must believe. I believe you already do.
The Tea Party has never been a political party, but rather a movement to restore Constitutional principles to our government.
If it were to become an actual Party, it would require a massive re-organization. While not impossible, it would be a major undertaking, in my opinion.
ok so what does the Tea Party do when it endorses candidates, and did no one run on the TP as a ticket? Also, I have never heard of the Tea Party calling people to vote for the Conservative Party or other party. Are you sure about this whitefriend?
I am a little slow at getting back to the thread and emails. I will check it out much more thoroughly now that I have all the pieces in place, ie. "ducks" in a row :)
Thank you for your thoughts on this. I do agree that we do need prayer and as ABiC has dropped a link to a party that is trying to do just as you desire. The link is http://cfp4us.org/
I also believe that prayer and the idea of a new party is just part of the answer. We need to have those who know the Lord to be renewed, and to participate in bringing fathers back to their children. This is what was promised in Malachi and was started by John the Baptist.
I will see what can be done from the other end.
Check the link I gave you waytngtym It's the website. I know not everyone is on twitter or facebook. The link is our website with all info on it.
Read our platform waytngtym. I think you'll like it. Our foundation is on God first, the Constitution and the Founders intent. Please check it out. I am trying to make this an actual party, registered in each state. http://cfp4us.org/
Thank you for this P. I appreciate it. It explains a lot. Judging by the posts here, I am not the only one with this identity confusion regarding the TP. With all the mechanisms in place, even a TPCommunity "Facebook" now (I will not join another group unless it focuses on corporate prayer), maybe the TP can clarify and capitalize on all the work they have done, and begin to back a new party.
I just read your website--can we nominate you to lead the TP and establish a coalition of leaders to forge a new platform? The presidential leader to run will emerge if we do that and pray, it seems. I still believe Romney was God's choice, because He would have been able to use a man who walked cleanly his whole life, knew business and clearly loves America. But the GOP's divisivness careened Romney off his mark and failed to rally to support him when needed. I believe the potential existed for Romney to be that charismatic leader, and when the Mormon church declared a day of prayer to help him, the tide of the election turned. Do you remember that? I also believe the post that said fraud blew the election. Absolutely. So the TP leadership should be focusing on voter ID and fraud exposure. We've go to stop the criticism and focus on prayer, and doing what we see needs to be done immediately, and with contrition wait for the next God-sent leader to emerge. Please help us Pastor.
The TP had been told by people like Palin and others to work within the GOP and so they obliged. This is why they never went outside the GOP and why white is correct that it was a movement within the GOP.
If it wanted to be a viable party (tired of 3rd party), there will need to be consolidation of all the independent branches and a more uniform approach to leadership.
Republicans cave on so many things that Libertarians wouldn't even dream of caving on.
Why don't Conservatives just flock into the Libertarian party, and change their foreign policy to one that actually ensures "victory" through "destroying" the enemy, much like how we gained victory against Germany and Japan during WW2. There are enough of you to do it.
And what to do about Karl Rove in that? - Leave him to the Left, where he rightly belongs. We don't need rotten minds like his, infecting and harming the cause of liberty.
Oh you mean like voting to confirm John Kerry? That's right, your Libertarian Rand Paul did just that. A true man and a conservative man would have done what Ted Cruz, Jim Inhofe and John Cornyn did and VOTE NO.
Rand Paul did what Rand Paul did. He doesn't speak for the Libertarian party.
Personally, I have a stronger foreign policy than any Conservative or Republican I know. I realize that a lot of Libertarian-minded people have self-destructive foreign policies, but not all of them do ....
The republicans and democrats are basically the same freekin' party. I consider the tea party the second and only option.
I am searching for a new party, but we need a leader like Walker, Rand Paul, Ted Cruz, or Sarah Palin.
http://cfp4us.org/ IS A NEW party. So new, that we don't have big names yet. But we need to start somewhere. Our platform will attract Constitutional Conservatives, but we need to grow so we can attract folks like Cruz, West, Walker, Palin, Cain and others. Please check us out Richard. Thanks.
We're also on facebook and twitter.
Those tent pegs are Libertarianism. Even Ronald Reagan realized this when he said that "Libertarianism is the heart and soul of the Republican party". The way that Republicans ostracize and go on the attack against Libertarians, especially in the run up to elections, should tell you all you need to know about how much they have lost that heart and soul, becoming heartless and soulless in the process.
Glenn Beck should be asking: "How do we build a third party based on the unalienable individual rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness".
That is the real question. You can't focus on limited government and the constitution, without first focusing on the unalienable individual rights of Man. Limited government and the constitution unmoored from the principle of unalienable individual rights is not limited, and is a hollow/meaningless constitution.
The real tragedy is that when people talk of "rights", the only ones they ever seem to care about, and the only ones they think have any validity in law, are those that are found in the constitution. Nobody gives a crap about life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness -- To most people, it's as if the constitution abrogated the declaration of independence.
In the run-up to 2016, don't you Republicans or Conservatives even think about harassing Libertarians for not voting Republican; don't you even freaking dare! I will personally kick your rear ends if you do that.
Bring it on PaulBot! You and your PaulBot friends are why we have Obama destroying our country for another 4 years.
The country is being destroyed by everyone choosing the weak horse (the RP) over the strong horse (the LP).
Just look at government spending over the past 100 years. No matter whether it's Democrat or Republican, spending consistently goes up. So don't sit there telling me that I'm advocating the destruction of the country. The Republican party has been complicit in its destruction for the past 100 years. Vote Democrat, spending goes up, vote Republican, spending goes up.
What you guys should have done last time is dump the RP, and ALL flock to the LP.
Enjoy supporting Jeb Bush, your establishment choice for 2016. I hope you have a vomit bag at the ready.
Many worked day and night for Romney? Gosh, I don't know many who did. They were lucky to get my vote, not that it mattered much in Idaho.
For a good conservative candidate, I would have worked day and night. So, yes, it was still Romney's fault. He dissed half or more of his potential supporters and there was no reason to vote for HIM other than he wasn't Obama.
It is the fault of the PaulBots as well. They chose not to vote and left us with the consequences. Many on this site worked day and night for Romney not because he was a great candidate but because he was the GOP candidate and better for the country than another 4 years of Obama. Those that stayed home and did not vote are part and parcel of the problem.
I will blame them. I will also blame all the republican electorate for staying home. I know the Republican party sucks but you cant oust them over night even though I wish this was possible. Libertarians seem to want what they want NOW or nothing. This crap didn't happen over night and cant be fixed overnight. Keep electing real conservatives to more and more posts then this thing will be fixed in short order. Libertarians stayed out of the presidential elections because they thought that Romney wasn't great either. He wasn't but nothing is near as bad as Obama. We should've gotten him out and worked from there. Just my opinion. I want the Republican pu$$ys out just as much or more than anyone does.
If Mitt had been elected, conservatives would just give up trying to change anything and go back to sleep. Maybe it was providence that he wasn't. We can't use any more status quo, but without the threat of what the Democrats are doing to us, we would not have the energy of revival like many of us now have and more will in the future. In 2016, we will have more of the same loss of freedom, back to the status quo which wasn't much different, or a new conservative party and movement. The third party will present a better choice for us than a choice of two evils, which are, by definition, still evil.
Ryan, have you ever checked out the Constitutional Freedom Party yet? http://cfp4us.org/ I'd love for you to be a part of it.
I think you both are right- (mark1955) and you Ryan. Massive voter fraud and too many stayed home/split with paulbots.
Keep electing real Conservatives? You mean like Ted Cruz and Rand Paul, right? Well that's TWO out of an entire HORDE of statist-sympathizers in the Republican party. Elect real Conservatives like Allen West, perhaps? Allen West, who couldn't even stop himself being elected out of power by a bloody Democrat drunkard. Yeah, good luck with that BS crusade.
Face it, you can't salvage the Republican party, and even if you could, there wouldn't be enough time to do it. This country simply doesn't have the time!
You're like the people who fought against ending the Whig party and starting the Republican party. Sentimentalists who said "We can fix this! Trust us! Give us time!" -- And we all know how that turned out. You're gonna get swept away by the tides of history, just like the Whigs were swept aside.
What are you going to do when the Republican establishment goes and nominates Jeb Bush as the Republican candidate for 2016? Do you think your attacks against Libertarians, whilst holding your own vomit back for campaigning for Jeb Bush, will have any effect? Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. Never again! You hear me? Never again!
You Republicans have had it. You're done. You're finished. Either start a third party or come over to the Libertarian party. Don't sit there, resisting your own urge to vomit, and tell me to vote for a statist-sympathizer ever again. Yes, you heard me, Romney was a statist-sympathizer. The guy who came up with Romneycare, the precursor to Obamacare? Don't you EVER lecture me about how to vote, don't you ever tell me what to do, ever again.
I'm angry, and I have bloody good reason to be. Bring on 2016, I'll serve this anger up on a platter for y'all.
I think I understand your position just fine, and even have some sympathywithit.But I also think you underestimate our resolve this time.
The LP aren't the ones in contention, the RP is. So to expect the LP, who are strong in their convictions and in the rightness of their cause, to abandon their party and side with the contentious party that hates its own presidential candidates, hates how weak and pathetic its elected senators/representatives are, and which fools itself into thinking that it has some hope of defeating its hordes of statist-sypathizing Republicans, is quite frankly just crazy talk.
Don't fool yourself. The RP establishment will not let you have a Conservative as the RP presidential candidate. The system is rigged to elect statist-sympathizers. That much should have been proven to you the last time.
You're gonna get Jeb Bush, or someone just as pathetic as that, and you're going to be told to sit down, shut up, love it, and defend him .... against your urge to vomit, that is.
Join what? A pathetic, weak, infighting, self-hating, inarticulate, principles-compromising, statist-sympathizing party like yours? No way, Jose!
At least with the LP, despite its flaws in terms of foreign policy, you actually get a strong and principled defense of liberty. You have to claw and beg your way in the RP to even get any crumbs of liberty defense.
If the RP nominated Rand Paul for pres and Allen West as his VP, then I'd rethink my whole approach, but I just know that you're not going to get that, and that you're all gonna be here, pre-2016 elections, ripping the crap out of people who want to vote LP. I'm fed up of it. I don't like being called "unpatriotic" and a "traitor" to my country, just because I chose the strong horse over the weak horse.
Your words appear to be aimed at the regulars here, and not on the Republican party machine, itself. You might want to correct that, because the LP and the Conservatives need to join in this fight, not simply fight. Down that road lies many generations of darkness, because I assure you the LP cannot, and never will supplant the Conservatives. It will never happen.
In fact, it's my contention that the left's rise to power interrupted the legitimate two-party system we had going in this country before Wilson. The left came along and introduced massive statism in the midst of a long-simmering argument over banking, states' rights, and protectionism. So make no mistake, once the left has been dumped, there will be the long-argument once again.
Having said that, I think most folks here have had it with the moderate Republican du-jour. Most of us won't vote for another. But in 2016, if we manage to run a real conservative, and the LP chooses to back another spineless goofball who wants us to abandon logistical and military superiority so he can attract votes from the gay lobby and potheads, then hell yes, you will get some serious responses to it.
Join or die. That's where we are.
Rand Paul is a Libertarian and deceived voters by running as a Republican. He is almost as close as his father when it comes to foreign policy and refers to illegal aliens as undocumented citizens. Liberal-lite!
"I will also blame them for staying home". They didn't stay home. That is an Urban myth. Obama won by Massive voting fraud and nothing else.http://obamavoterfraud.blogspot.com/
You are correct. The fraud may not be easy to prove, but the math simply doesn't support the stayed-at-home concept that a lot of people are using to hammer social cons.
Conservatives in particular did not stay at home. Evangelicals were definitely engaged this time, unlike in 2008. Anyone who did stay home and says they are an"actual conservative" is either totally ignorant of what a conservative is, or is lying to irritate conservatives.
Yes there was voter fraud but Libertarians voted for Gary Johnson and many stayed home. Go back to the RNC and watch the PaulBots, says it all. Ron Paul should have told his supporters to throw support to Mitt Romney and promise to strengthen their party (running as Libertarians not Republicans) for 2014 and 2016. But he didn't and the PaulBots followed his direction and didn't support someone who had a chance to beat Obama.