Mark Levin talks about a ‘birther incident’ at his book signings, says he believes Ted Cruz is eligible…

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Mark Levin had a ‘birther incident’ this weekend at one of his book signings where the guy was arguing that Ted Cruz wasn’t eligible for president. Levin talks about the incident, goes on to say that in his estimation he doesn’t see how Cruz isn’t eligible.

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  • Orangeone

    Thank you Scoop! Any chance you could post the videos he mentioned of the book signing lines for everyone?

  • vorlath

    When Congress allowed McCain to run, they set precedent. Congress has always had the right to set laws on who is a citizen. The birthers are trying to state that there is a separate definition of citizen. This is not so. Congress can always define citizenship. So if Cruz was a citizen at birth, which he was, then he is eligible. BTW, he was never Canadian according to Canadian laws.

  • Mail Carrier

    vorlath Cruz has duel citizenship according to a Dallas News report: “Born in Canada to an American mother, Ted Cruz became an instant U.S.
    citizen. But under Canadian law, he also became a citizen of that
    country the moment he was born.” http://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/headlines/20130818-born-in-canada-ted-cruz-became-a-citizen-of-that-country-as-well-as-u.s..ece

  • kurtUSA

    I respectfully disagree with Mr. Levin that the issue of who is eligible for President is just an interpretive issue.  If the term, “natural born citizen” had a specific and well used meaning then it means now exactly what it meant then. It is a big problem where judges rewrite the law or Constitution under the guise of interpreting its meaning.  See Roe v Wade for a perfect example.
    From everything I have read, natural born citizen is not the same as a citizen. Yes Congress can define who is a citizen.  For example, see what they are going to do to 11 plus million illegals. 
    McCain’s parent’s were in the military and his father was stationed in Panama at the time of his birth.  I think our military bases, like our embassies are US territory.  That I would assume is a little different than if his parents just decided to move or were vacationing in another country at the time of a person’s birth as it relates to whether a person is a natural born citizen.
    http://www.resonoelusono.com/NaturalBornCitizen.htm
    I like Ted Cruze a lot, I am not to thrilled with McCain.  But, if Mr. Cruz is not eligible under our Constitution and he wants or others want him to be President then do it the old fashion way and try and amend the Constitution.  If you are just going to ignore the language of the Constitution then what is the difference between you and someone who just thinks the Constitution is out dated and should not be followed. 
    Congress, like the Courts and the President should not be the final arbitrators of our Constitutional rights.  We can read and comprehend and should know our rights as free citizens of this republic. This is the same nonsense argument used by the head of the NSA that Congress the Courts and the President all looked into and agreed NSA spying was constitutional.

  • The Sentinel

    The fact that this keeps coming up is VERY positive for Ted Cruz and America.
    If authorities are saying he’s eligible, then it’s settled for me.
    I think the left and especially the GOPe is shaking in their boots over Cruz. I’d love tom see him be our next President (as it stands right now). Throw in an Allen West or Sarah Palin as his running mate, and I truly believe they would be unstoppable.

  • Orangeone

    The Sentinel Just got a solicitation from the GOP with a prepaid envelop.  I wrote a note and told them to solicit homosexuals and illegal aliens, their new best friends.
    I still like Jeanine Pirro for his running mate.  And now I want Rafael Cruz in his Senate seat!

  • 1tootall

    Before you start marching wits with levin, I’d suggest you learn how to spell teds name!!! Hint: no “e” on the end.

  • The Sentinel

    kurtUSA 
    I’m not trying to pick a fight.
    Was Obama eligible? What about kids of military who are serving overseas (I was stationed in Korea, the Philippines, Saudi Arabia, the Honduras, New Jersey…) – I know, you answered that. Someone on vacation?
    I hear folks trying to say he’s not eligible… But there are news stations, and people in power and radio people and lawyers who are saying he’s eligible. I haven’t heard anyone in the media say he’s not eligible. Of course I don’t watch CNN, MSNBC, or other rag “news” groups – especially if they’re obviously stupid liberal.
    So, it’s a settled situation with me. I’m curious why it’s still a debate.

  • The Sentinel

    Orangeone The Sentinel  
    BRILLIANT!
    They still send me junk even after I’ve pulled a few stunts like that too.

  • kurtUSA

    1tootall Wow.

  • Orangeone

    The Sentinel  Orangeone Love that they are postage paid so they have to paid to read my cute little note!

  • BetseyRoss

    The Sentinel  kurtUSA Because Obama isn’t eligible and he is president.  So far he hasn’t been able to prove he is eligible.  In one instant, Ted Cruz produces a legitimate BC with no controversy as to its authenticity.  We all can tell it’s real.

  • PoCoTex

    As I’ve said before, if Mr. Cruz thought that he was not eligible to run for President, then I truly believe that he is trustworthy enough that he would say that he wasn’t.
    I don’t think for one minute that Mr. Cruz is trying to pull a fast one on us, like Mr. Obama is currently doing.
    Mr. Cruz is, by all means, an honourable man.

  • Orangeone

    BetseyRoss The Sentinel  kurtUSA And a country, Canada that will back him up!  Paging Indonesia, oh wait, that’s supposed to be a multi-million dollar secret paid for with a SCOTUS seat to the asshat Kagan.

  • Spartan4Palin

    Okay Senator Cruz presented his BC. From this point on, he no longer has to prove eligibility. It’s no different than crapweasel’s issue! DONE!

  • StevenValdez

    kurtUSA There’s only two ways you can become a citizen of the USA. Either your natural born or Naturalized. Ted Cruz didn’t need to go through the naturalization process because of his mother, by birth it gave him natural born citizenship to the USA.

  • Orangeone

    Here is one of Levin’s book signing line links http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdaI0zJtJ04

  • poptoy1949

    With all due respect…..I like Ted Cruz and would vote for him in a heartbeat….however according to the Constitution he is NOT eligible run for President of the United States.   Period.

  • kssturgis62

    poptoy1949 I will not vote for him and he is not eligible.

  • kurtUSA

    The Sentinel  kurtUSA 
    Thank you for your service and sacrifice.  Without people like you willing to lay it all on the line, people like me would not have all the freedoms we do, including the freedom to sprout off on these forums.
    I was an Army brat.  My dad was stationed in Italy where two of my younger brothers were born. From my understanding, and it is just my opinion, they were both citizens and natural born citizens.
    As for experts saying Obama is eligible, experts get bought and paid for everyday.  They can be used to state an agenda and are quite frequently used in court’s to say whatever is advantageous to the person who is paying their paycheck.
    Congress has a right to determine citizenship and is usually done by statute.  The definition, however, of, “natural born citizen” is what it meant when the Constitution was passed and is different than what the terms, “citizen”, or naturalized citizen means.
    My understanding of a, “natural born” citizen at the time of the passing of the Constitution  is two citizen parents of a person born in the USA.
    Again, just my opinion, but just because a judge rules a certain way on interpreting a statute does not make them right.  That is why we have appeal courts.  As for lawyers, I am an attorney so I guess I will let you decide as what attorney opinions are worth. 
    I will say, I spent 4 years in law school learning to argue and I have yet to win an argument at home.  (Slow learner.  In my defense though, I have a one year post law school degree.)

  • kssturgis62

    I will post this here like I did on the Birth Certificate Sight. 

    Ted Cruz according to the Washington Post is going to renounce his Canadian Citizenship. 

    This is the Saddest day for me. First off I really like Ted Cruz. But I love my Constitution more. I am so glad all of you are saying he is Qualified to be POTUS. Thank you for the New Definition to Natural Born Citizen. 

    The New Definition of Natural Born, 

    YOU can be a Dual Citizen – a citizen of the USA and of another Country and be Natural Born. Why? Because the constitution doesn’t mention Dual citizenship. So that makes TED CRUZ now Qualified to be POTUS, and wow the founders must be so proud. I CAN HEAR, MADISON, JEFFERSON AND ADAMS SAY YEP THAT IS WHAT WE WANTED PEOPLE BEHOLDEN OR TIED TO FOREIGN NATIONS TO BE THE PRESIDENT. 

    New Definition of Natural Born – 

    You can be born anywhere, to anyone, either in the USA or abroad. You do not have to have parents who are Citizens. All Illegals are now eligible to be POTUS. All Dual citizens can be POTUS, Fathers and Mothers do not have to be citizens and can be beholden to foreign nations but as long as their children are on US Soil they are Eligible to be POTUS. (Rubio, Jindall and Haley) 

    Good Going People for loving that constitution. because now you are saying to make way for Ted Cruz, that someone born in IRAN, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Yemen, Egypt can be President as long as they have ONE CITIZEN PARENT.  isn’t everyone just proud of themselves. I mean I can hear Madison having a party. John Jay must be saying what was I thinking of having a qualification to be beholden to the USA. 

    In one Swoop, everyone just changed the Constitution and they are Cheering someone they say holds the Constitution dear and near to his heart. 

    This is a very sad day in the USA.

  • paleophlatus

    Everyone has a BC (almost), but not everyone is eligible. Cruz’ BC says his father is Cuban. Unless he naturalized before TC’s birth, he was not a US citizen, so….and he didn’t.

  • Orangeone

    kurtUSA The role of the court is to interpret the Constitution and the laws passed by Congress. Forefathers and the separation of powers.

  • Orangeone

    The Sentinel  kurtUSA If the libs sue over this and the SCOTUS rule ineligibility, it will nullify Obama and everything he has done.  In a corner and I’m loving it.

  • Keyes

    kssturgis62 
    Agreed.
    I do not know what is wrong with most of the posters at this site and what the heck is wrong with Levin using the birther insult. It is despicable of him.

  • Keyes

    poptoy1949 
    Agreed. Cruz is showing disdain for the Constitution.
    He also wants to increase legal immigration.

  • PoCoTex

    kssturgis62  It could very well be a sad day in the USA.
    The IRS, though, has a new source of revenue, that is, all those new groups of people who are now eligible to run for President would also be required to pay income tax! And they’ll have to fill out and submit an IRS 1040 no matter where they live in the world.
    (The U.S. is the only country in the world that demands that its citizens file an income tax form even if they are non-resident.)

    That’s why the Federal Government wants everyone everywhere in the world to be defined as U.S. citizens. It’s so deeply in debt, it’s looking under every rock for a dollar and chomping at the bit just waiting for that tax revenue!

  • Keyes

    The Sentinel  kurtUSA 
    Because it’s not about what news organizations say (they want him to be declared eligible so we can’t overturn what Obama has done…they don’t want us throwing O in jail). Liberal lawyers want to get rid of our Constitution and you want to go along with what they say?

  • Keyes

    Orangeone BetseyRoss The Sentinel  kurtUSA 
    All Cruz’s BC proves is he’s not eligible.

  • Keyes

    StevenValdez kurtUSA 
    You father MUST be a US citizen at the time of your birth.

  • PoCoTex

    Keyes StevenValdez kurtUSA  Can you provide a reference?

  • Keyes

    vorlath 
    NOT. Congress does not determine who is natural born…it is the law of nature…both parents must be US citizens at the time of your birth in order to have natural born status.

  • kurtUSA

    Orangeone kurtUSA 
    True, but as you noticed they quite frequently interpret things depending on their political posture instead of what the Constitution actually says.  For example, Roe v Wade, and the more recent Supreme Court Obamacare ruling. 
    In the future you can bet the courts will rule away your right to freedom of religion, 2 nd amendment, etc.  They are doing it now.
    Where in the Constitution does it give the President the right to indefinitely detain a US citizen on US soil without charges and not allow them access to courts or an attorney?
    All I am saying is I can read and these rights as set out in our Constitution came from God and I do not need someone to read these documents to me and BS me that they have an absolute right under the Constitution to do what it clearly prohibits.

  • PoCoTex

    Keyes vorlath  Can you provide a reference?

  • Keyes

    PoCoTex Keyes StevenValdez kurtUSA 
    Our Founders looked to the “Law of Nations” where it was defined as both parents.

  • PoCoTex

    Keyes PoCoTex StevenValdez kurtUSA  Can you providea reference to where the our Founders looked to the “Law of Nations” and said that’s what they meant by “natural-born citizen”?

  • paleophlatus

    Of all the authorities who have vowed Cruz’ eligibility, which of those for Obama’s are not on that list, as well? Hearing no negative opinion for Obama, I am inclined to think that you are using a flawed yardstick to make up your mind. Those who will not decide their minds themselves can be easily led by those who will.

  • poptoy1949

    Mark I think you are just a little pissed that the guy got in your face.   I can’t blame you.  However, he is not eligible.  Talk to Dr. Jerome Corsi of WND he can clarify it for you.  I could say a lot more….but Dr. Corsi says it best.

  • Keyes

    PoCoTex Keyes vorlath 
    Contact Alan Keyes at his site http://www.alankeyes.com he can do a better job of explaining it.

  • zeeshopper

    You should rename your article “Mark Levin uses Saul Alinsky tactics to defend his point of view.”

  • DarkKnight2016

    kssturgis62 Actually the Founders never explained what they meant by Natural Born Citizen.

  • DarkKnight2016

    poptoy1949 He is very eligible to run. You are interpreting the Constitution wrong.

  • msilaghi

    PoCoTex Keyes StevenValdez kurtUSA

  • BrianValentineDani

    Look up John Jay’s letter to Geo. Washington on this . No where else except in qualification for POTUS is the term NBC use in the constitution.

  • tavadesigns

    I hate reading so much misinformation.  Most Americans do not understand this law but are willing to argue it to the death,

  • tavadesigns

    DarkKnight2016 poptoy1949 You are the only person on this blog who knows, reading the rest of these posts is actually painful as they are so misinformed and blaming Levin and Cruz for their ignorance of the law, which is simple and very clear

  • msilaghi

    kurtUSA Orangeone
    Read Article III, Section 2.  Interpreting the Constitution is not an enumerated power of the SC.  If we have any hope of regaining the Republic we have to know the Constitution.  Also read Publius-Huldah’s Blog.  http://publiushuldah.wordpress.com/

  • Nukeman

    “…The issue isn’t what the Constitution says in that regard. The issue is how do we interpret that…” – Levin
    WRONG. The issue IS what the Constitution says in that regard. I can interpret the Constitution all day long and it doesn’t make me right. Why follow the Constitution at all, if we are going to interpret it in any way we deem convenient?

    Oh, wait. That’s exactly what the progressives believe and want to do. 
    Mark, I respect tremendously what you have to say, but I’m disappointed in your remarks. You interpret that he is an American citizen, and like most others, blow off the term “Natural Born” altogether, leaving it out of the interpretation.
    I guess, then, I interpret that “Natural Born” now means not being a machine or autobot. Only born naturally, through the birth canal or via c-section. So Senators can be AI’s (as they are only required to be citizens), but the President MUST be born of a human birth canal (as he is the only one required, by the Constitution, to be a “Natural Born” citizen). 
    Got it. End of discussion. The interpretation has occurred. 
    Of course, the debate will rage because every one of us has a different interpretation of the meaning of “Natural Born Citizen” in the Constitution and nowhere is there a definitive definition found in the Constitution itself (only elsewhere, i.e. Law of Nations).

  • joleone

    Why is the term “natural born citizen” so confusing??
    The meaning is simple….Born on US soil to citizen parents (2 parents)!!!
    Funny how Barack O’bama contested the eligibility of John McCain on this very subject back in 2008….. … So there was an investigation and it was determined that John McCain was indeed a “natural born citizen” because he was born on a military base in Panama (US SOIL) to two citizen parents!!!! This was confirmed in Senate Resolution 511….
    ——————————————————————————–
    RESOLUTION
    Recognizing that John Sidney McCain, III, is a natural born citizen.
    Whereas the Constitution of the United States requires that, to be eligible for the Office of the President, a person must be a `natural born Citizen’ of the United States;
    Whereas the term `natural born Citizen’, as that term appears in Article II, Section 1, is not defined in the Constitution of the United States;
    ……..Whereas John Sidney McCain, III, was born to American citizens on an American military base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936: Now, therefore, be it
    Resolved, That John Sidney McCain, III, is a `natural born Citizen’ under Article II, Section 1, of the Constitution of the United States.
    http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/110/sres511/text

  • joleone

    Nukeman Can’t understand how such a simple term as Natural Born Citizen can be misinterpreted…  Natural Born Citizen…..One Born on US soil to Citizen Parents!!!  Simple as that!

  • Nukeman

    joleoneNukeman 
    Exactly. Further reading for those who still wonder and confuse “born citizen” with “Natural Born Citizen”:
    http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2010/09/is-being-born-citizen-of-united-states.html

  • joleone

    vorlath Please explain Senate Resolution 511.  Funny how Barack O’bama contested the eligibility of John McCain on this very subject back in 2008….. … So there was an investigation and it was determined that John McCain was indeed a “natural born citizen” because he was born on a military base in Panama (US SOIL) to two citizen parents!!!! This was confirmed in Senate Resolution 511….
    Whereas the term `natural born Citizen’, as that term appears in Article II, Section 1, is not defined in the Constitution of the United States;
    ……..Whereas John Sidney McCain, III, was born to American citizens on an American military base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936: Now, therefore, be it
    Resolved, That John Sidney McCain, III, is a `natural born Citizen’ under Article II, Section 1, of the Constitution of the United States.
    http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/110/sres511/text

  • joleone

    Mail Carrier vorlath The question is NOT if Cruz is an American Citizen..  That he is… The question is…. Is Cruz a Natural Born Citizen ?

  • Nukeman

    joleone 
    You bring up an excellent point. To prove that McCain was eligible to run for President, they offered that he both 1) was born on US soil (the Panama base), AND 2) born of American citizens (plural). 
    Now there is some discussion as to whether he was actually born on the base or not, but that’s a discussion for someone who cares about McCain (and I do not). Suffice it to say, Congress deemed it necessary to bring up both points for McCain, but then conveniently ignored them for Obama.

  • joleone

    PoCoTexKeyesvorlathWhereas the term `natural born Citizen’, as that term appears in Article II, Section 1, is not defined in the Constitution of the United States;
    ……..Whereas John Sidney McCain, III, was born to American citizens on an American military base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936: Now, therefore, be it
    Resolved, That John Sidney McCain, III, is a `natural born Citizen’ under Article II, Section 1, of the Constitution of the United States.
    http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/110/sres511/text

  • Nukeman

    1tootall  
    So if misspelling a name disqualifies him from the discussion, does failing to capitalize both “Levin” and “Ted” do the same for you (as well as failing to apostrophize “Ted’s”)???  
    How Alinsky of you to argue that point.

  • kssturgis62

    DarkKnight2016 kssturgis62 Yes they did. Read Federalist essays 3 to 7 and then go to all the things they direct you to. I mean look at what Madison and them said, and then go from there. They did explain it, John Jay explained it, the Jay Treaty Explains it. 7 Supreme court Opinions explain it. IT is all there. the 14th Amendment never replaced Natural Born. It gave blacks citizenship. It didn’t even Give Indians Citizenship Congress had to pass a special law for that. I am just so disappointed in this.

  • joleone

    Nukemanjoleone Yes Nukeman.. Obama is not questioned, even though his father (?) was here on a Student Visa.. Not even here as a permanent resident..  And  I remember reading on his own web site Fight the Smears, that he was born a British Subject on account of his father.  Here is a link from Fact Check….http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.factcheck.org%2F2008%2F08%2Fobamas-kenyan-citizenship%2F&h=yAQG48qPh

  • kssturgis62

    paleophlatus His Father did not become a citizen until 2005.

  • dereid49

    kssturgis62 
    Founding fathers that were Presidents, some were born overseas…☺
    and your point is?

  • Nukeman

    dereid49 kssturgis62  
    You’re showing your ignorance on the subject. The founders addressed that issue in the Constitution. Anyone that knows about this discussion knows that. You should, too.

  • dereid49

    Nukeman dereid49 kssturgis62he was born an American citizen, whether his parents were at the time of his birth British subjects or American citizens.
     Nothing is better settled at the common law than the doctrine that the children even of aliens born in a country while the parents are resident there under the protection of the government and owing a temporary allegiance thereto are subjects by birth…☺

  • BS61

    @Keyes How has Cruz shown disdain for the Constitution?  Arguing for it in the Supreme Court?

  • BS61

    His Mom was a citizen

  • BS61

    His Dad is fantastic and unafraid to speak the truth!

  • Kunta Kinte

    HOLD THE PHONE!!! So, Cruz was born in Canada and was still a Canadian citizen up to two days ago and had a Cuban dad……. but is eligible? Obama…. NOT SO MUCH! YouTea Party people are crazier than a box of frogs The birther chickens have come home to roost haven’t they?…….. Moot argument though; Cruz is as likely to be elected as President as Joseph Koni.

  • K-Bob

    Kunta Kinte  
    So you DO believe Obama wasn’t eligible to be President.
    Check.

  • K-Bob

    joleone That’s one definition.  There are others.  They all go back to before the founding.
    None were codified into the Constitution.  So your selective definition doesn’t magically trump the other ones out there, no matter how much material you re-re-re-re-repost (you can find all you want by searching this site already, and even more over at FreeRepublic.  None of it is new.)

  • K-Bob

    zeeshopper  
    If you can’t argue the points, go for slander.

  • K-Bob

    kssturgis62 poptoy1949  
    Yes, some people hate Liberty more than enough to decide they’d rather win the day on an argument over the NBC clause.

  • K-Bob

    The question you have to ask yourself is are you willing to see the nation die in order to feel good about your selective definition of the NBC clause?
    Because those of you who are honest know damn well there are several interpretations of that clause that predate the ratificiation of the Constitution.  And any who claim to have done their homework on this and refuse to admit those other existing definitions exist are not being honest.
    It’s that simple.
    Some of you think that cutting and pasting the same crap we’ve seen (so many times we’d rather watch reruns of Bill Maher and Ed Schultz for two hours straight) will somehow mean that your selected definition–among the other ones accepted since the founding–will magically be deemed correct by EVERYONE.
    Well it isn’t going to happen.
    First, none of you has standing to prevent a person with Cruz’s birth factors from getting on a ballot.
    Tough.
    Second, none of us had standing to do squat about barack getting on a ballot.
    Also tough. Cowboy up, folks, this is reality, and you’d better get used to it.
    The NBC clause needs definition.  It must happen via an Amendment.  Until that happens, this squabble is nothing more than background noise, signifying nothing.
    Anyone who stays home in the next presidential election is no friend of liberty.
    Anyone who petulantly decides that winning this NBC argument is more important than restoring our nation is no friend of liberty.
    Fact: we are in a post-Constitutional period.
    Anyone not willing to do whatever it takes to restore the Constitution is no respecter of what the founders established.
    The NBC clause should stay in the Constitution, and it should be clarified by an amendment.
    But first, we take our country back.

  • K-Bob

    Keyes kssturgis62  
    What is truly despicable is people camping out on their own selected definition, out of the several that exist, and attempting to hold up our battle for restoration over it. It’s the very definition of an unwinnable argument (other than via the last argument of kings).

     “Birthers” is actually a decorous term for that.  If they start to really fight with the left on this, I’m sure we can come up with some more colorful terms.
    The NBC clause is important, but not more important than Restoration. 
    (And no, it is not a foundational principle.  It’s merely a way of signifying that loyalty is fundamental to the office.  Standing the Constitution on its head to place this one concept above all others is an astoundingly poor way to treat what our Founders have bequeathed us.)
    Don’t fall for this crap, Keyes.  We need all hands on board, and when we finally get some semblance of a shift to happen, we can fix the NBC problem.

  • K-Bob

    paleophlatus  
    The problem with barack was the fraud regarding many aspects of his life, possibly including his paternity.  But very few people took the birth location to be a problem.  The ones who did, LOST.   They refuse to get over it.

  • K-Bob

    The Sentinel  kurtUSA  
    Very few people in the US ever cared about barack’s birth location or his birth certificate.
    In fact, very few Conservatives cared about it.  The reason is because most are aware of the fact that it’s commonly accepted that if your parents are citizens (either one) then you are, too.  No matter how much people selectively spin it, most folks have believed this, which is EXACTLY why we have barack putting his feet on the furniture in the White House, instead of Hillary. (McCain was never going to win.)

    Some folks have decided that one definition only is somehow “official” and all of the others are not.  This despite endless rounds of debate showing the other definitions also existed before the founding.
    This squabble gets magnified at sites like this, where most regulars are Conservatives.  Same at other serious Conservative websites.

  • K-Bob

    Keyes Orangeone BetseyRoss The Sentinel  kurtUSA  
    I’d say it proves where he was born, and to whom.

  • K-Bob

    Keyes StevenValdez kurtUSA  
    Or your mother.
    Or both.

  • K-Bob

    msilaghi PoCoTex Keyes StevenValdez kurtUSA  
    Mind reading: how does that work?

  • Kunta Kinte

    Not at all. I’m amused at the twisting and turning from your well established arguments used to delegitimise Obama. Those same arguments you are now using to imply that your man in eligible. As Rubio and Cruz are both Tea Party people, I’m really surprised that you guys didn’t see this coming and prepare better. Right now, on this thread, the honesty and goodness in some people cannot allow them to let Cruz get a pass considering the flack they gave Obama. They clearly see the double standard and don’t feel comfortable with it…. The more nastier elements simply change their minds about the issue by some weird kind of osmosis. Like Mr Levin up there ^^^ A birther of the highest order when it suited his narrative but a convenient constitution ignoramus now. Truth be told, it’s all about race and the colour of Obama’s skin. Any fool would have known that Obama could have never survived the scrutiny on McCain and a tag team of Hillary and Bill in 2008. If there was anything to be discovered, it would have been discovered then and he’d never have run for President in the first place. You should just come out and say you are anti Obama because he is black. It’s a free country and you are allowed to express this racist view. The smoke and mirrored you employed (birtherism) will be reciprocated by the Democrats with the same cynicism. They will ride Cruz and Rubio on this birther issue till their knuckles turn white and their knees buckle. They will be well aware that Cruz is eligible, as Obama was but that is not the end game. The end game is to create fractures and ruptures within the Republican Party and get Hillary elected……. The content of this thread shows this to be already well and truly underway.

  • Kunta Kinte

    From who, pray tell?

  • K-Bob

    Kunta Kinte  
    Back to the original intent of the Founders.

  • K-Bob

    Kunta Kinte  
    So long, racist.

  • lanahi

    K-Bob Kunta Kinte   Yeah, some people just can’t see that it is the content of his character instead of the color of his skin, like MLK mentioned.

  • lanahi

    joleone  Obama was not the one who contested it, in fact he voted for John McCain’s eligibility.  That was a smart move, otherwise it would have called attention to himself and forced him through the same scrutiny.

  • K-Bob Kunta Kinte Well, first, off the Founders original intent wouldn’t allow Cruz to run. Secondly, the country is already lost in a mismash of turd soup but what else did you think would be there in the sewer pipe. Ted’s a patriot and after all that the Kenyan has put us through and it ain’t over honey, what difference does it make now after allowing the Kenyan to destroy the country….what’s left of it anyway. Last, at least Cruz adores his country or the premise of it and so the left can stick it where the sun will never shine.

  • publius69

    K-Bob joleone Which other definitions are you referring to?  if the metric they used on mccain was applied to imam barack, obama would have been ineligible.  I agree that cruz should be on the ballot and i will support him. but he is eligible because they bar was lowered when imam barack was allowed to slid in without challenge

  • K-Bob Keyes kssturgis62 You’re right about restoration however, makes little difference when the country ….dead. Have a population that is totally clueless with their hands in the cookie jar stealing from it anything they can because they truly believe they’re entitled. On the other hand if Cruz cannot be eligible because he hasn’t two citizen parents at birth, this would nullify the entire regime and that right there would be the correct step.

  • publius69

    poptoy1949 whether or not you regarding the correct definition of NBC should  not be the focus. under your reasoning, obama is not eligible to be president, yet here he sits, and with the help of his minions, is destroying what is left of our constitutional republic.  at this point, it is a matter of degrees and cruz has a much stronger claim to “NBC”  and up to his point, has shown himself to be a strong conservative.  we need to support him.

  • 1tootall

    Ooh, ooh. You got me. You Marxists are just SO smart. In the other hand, someone could think to themselves: ” If he doesn’t know how to spell the guy’s name, how could he know anything else about the guy…sort of disingenuous. But guys like you who want point out details that really don’t matter do what they do to distract from the major issues. It’s kind of like hyping a rodeo clown when at the same one is destroying every industry in the country. In other words it might be correct but it would be totally irrelevant. Kind of like your comments. Oh if this were a dissertation I get it. But in a forum.. Ill go with irrelevant.

  • Conservator1

    I’ve taken a lot of heat from some libertarians on this non-issue of whether Ted Cruz was eligible to run for president. I have always maintained his eligibility to run for president, but that made many angry across conservative sites like TRS. 
    It’s nice to listen to an intelligent constitutional expert such as Mark Levin articulating the reasons why I believe Cruz can run. I may not be The Great One or a constitutional expert, but it’s great having a Mark Levin backing the majority of conservatives who support a Cruz run for president.

  • MacWell

    Kunta Kinte From who?
    I’ll assume that you’re being sarcastic. but, just in case you aren’t I’ll elaborate. Take her back from the hands of anyone who wants to “fundamentally transform” America into their own warped image… that’s who!

  • The Sentinel

    K-Bob The Sentinel  kurtUSA 
    That’s helpful… thank you.
    This kinda reminds me of the 2011/2012 GOP primaries where we all sort of attacked each other over the pros and cons of our favorite candidate. As long as the debate is civil and we’re all still fighting for the same results, then it’s cool. But I hope this doesn’t cause any division among our ranks.
    Frankly, at this point, Ted Cruz seems too good to be true. Maybe that’s a piece of the problem? For instance, it may ruffle the feathers of Rand Paul fans… or Chris Christie fans, or…

  • The Sentinel

    paleophlatus 
    🙂
    Um… ok.

  • The Sentinel

    K-Bob paleophlatus 
    Excellent.

  • MacWell

    K-Bob Keyes kssturgis62 K-Bob?
    I couldn’t have said it better.
    Unless we the people wake up from the slumber the libs have lulled us into, and get off of our asses, and GO VOTE, America will continue her downward spiral to the pit.
    We complain about term limits, but we can impose them on whomever we wish, just by voting them out.
    Sometimes I think that we the people are just too lazy, or not pissed off enough, or maybe it’s fluoridation?

  • The Sentinel

    Keyes The Sentinel  kurtUSA 
    🙂
    You’re my friend and we’ve often been of the same mind on many comments.
    I’m kinda being beat up with: I am not thinking for myself. I was trying to make a point that pretty much everyone out there that I’ve heard, supports the fact that Cruz is eligible. I however, have done my own research and have reached my own conclusion(s). My primary sources for governance and law are the Bible and then our founding documents. NOT our media and certainly NOT liberal lawyers!
    Your last sentence is inaccurate and I’m a bit surprised you implied that. It’s rather offensive.

  • MacWell

    K-Bob kssturgis62 poptoy1949 Or as I like to call it, majoring on the minors.

  • MacWell

    publius69 poptoy1949 Bravo sir.

  • The Sentinel

    kurtUSA The Sentinel  
    I appreciate your post… very thoughtful.

  • The Sentinel

    BetseyRoss The Sentinel  kurtUSA 
    Excellent.

  • Orangeone

    BS61 He’s on the Heritage Defund ObamaCare 9 state tour too!  He just wows this country as does his son.  The RINOs need to stock up on Depends along with the Progressives, the grassroots movement has met the Cruzs!

  • The Sentinel

    Orangeone The Sentinel  
    Lol… I also get some grim satisfaction over that. Imagine the thousands or potentially millions of dollars that would be wasted if we all did the same thing. 🙂

  • MacWell

    kurtUSA Hi kurt. I’d like to post a question to you, if I may?
    Here it is, it is your choice to answer or not. What was the intent of all the debate and discussion, writing and note taking about this, or any other matter included in the Constitution, the BOR etc.?
    After all, we must agree that the founders couldn’t imagine the technology we’d have in the 21st century, so they had to hand copy everything that they deemed important to understanding their vision of this new experiment in governance. Their intent is what’s important, not how many words they used to explain themselves. There were differences of opinion between the founders, but, they ALL came away with the same intent for the country, THAT is what we should be focusing on, not the legalese.

  • zeeshopper

    K-Bob When Mark Levin doesn’t agree on something (because he thinks he knows better than anyone) he calls you an idiot and makes you appear as an idiot.

  • DarkKnight2016

    zeeshopper K-Bob It mostly happens to liberals.

  • Orangeone

    Nukeman joleone So let me ask this:
    1. woman is sexually assaulted and impregnated.  Child is born, rapist’s identity and citizenship unknown.  Is the child a US citizen?  Is the child a natural born citizen?
    2. same child is born and put up for adoption back in 1965.  A new birth certificate is issued with the names of the adopted parents.  Rapist’s identity and citizenship is still unknown.  Is the child a US citizen?  Is the child a natural born citizen?

  • DarkKnight2016

    Keyes poptoy1949 What’s wrong with legal immigration?

  • DarkKnight2016

    publius69 K-Bob joleone Questions over the natural born thing has been around long before Obama. Even Barry Goldwater’s eligibility was questioned since he was born in Phoenix in 1909 and Arizona didn’t become a state until 1912.

  • DarkKnight2016

    Birthers are neither liberal or conservative, they’re just crazy mate (Most likely Alex Jones followers). They have attacked Barack Obama and  they’ve attacked John McCain, Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz, Nikki Haley and Bobby Jindal. Heck there was even birtherism over Barry Goldwater’s eligibility in 1964 since he was born in Phoenix, Arizona in 1909 and Arizona didn’t become a state until 1912. Also, birtherism has nothing to do with the TEA Party.

  • YoDix

    FORWARD! 
    Cultural Marxism has been dubbed “the greatest cancer in the Western world” but few even know what it is. http://destoryculturalmarxism.blogspot.com/

  • zeeshopper

    K-Bob There’s no definition of the Natural Born Citizen other than what the Founding Fathers intended it to be.  It’s all about logic and common sense.  It pains me to believe that Cruz isn’t more eligible than BO is.  There are still a lot of questions that haven’t been answered, and the Supreme Court is still avoiding the issue.  The precedent created by BO’s illegibility is one of the most dangerous thing happen to this country.  Just see how un-American he is.  If that is not enough for you to understand why being born of two US Citizen parents on US soil at the time of birth would limit someone like BO to become the US President…

  • PicklePlants

    K-Bob  
    Cowboy up………..
    (slight grin at the corner of my mouth, then I spit)

  • lawngreen

    DarkKnight2016   Wow, what a sweeping condemnation! Well, at last now I know: I’m not conservative or liberal. Since I’m sure you’re qualified to diagnose people as crazy of whom you only know one fact, I guess I should just go turn myself in to the nearest nuthouse. They’ll want a referral, I’m sure, so I’ll tell them to contact Dr. DarkKnight. I’m sure they’ll be impressed.
    I wonder what psychological implications they’ll draw from your choice of username.
    And since you are authorized (no doubt) to speak for the Tea Party, I guess any birthers who are Tea Partiers must hang their heads in shame and join the Nothing Party which you just created. (“neither liberal or conservative”)

  • lawngreen

    MacWell Kunta Kinte Amen to that, MacWell.

  • lawngreen

    K-Bob Kunta Kinte  Thanks, K-Bob, I was about to go on a heated rant.

  • Laurel A

    BULLS EYE MARK!

  • DarkKnight2016

    lawngreen DarkKnight2016 Why thank you!! I am sure they would be impressed. and that is Dr. DarkKnight2016.
    The psychological implication maybe that I like the Batman movie “The Dark Knight”. Exactly, birthers should be exiled from the TEA Party and the Republican Party.

  • kssturgis62

    K-Bob kssturgis62 poptoy1949 yes I hate Liberty so much, I am willing to vote for someone not Eligible to be president because after all I want the Constitution totally destroyed. That makes perfect sense K Bob. 
    So on the Constitution do you like it? Or since it is already dead do we now just join the party to make sure it is completely obliterated.

  • kssturgis62

    publius69 poptoy1949 Obama and Cruz are exactly the same. If Cruz is Eligible, so is Obama. 
    lets say Obama was born in Kenya, Cruz in Canada, both have dual citizenship, Obama and Cruz’s mothers both US Citizens, both have fathers who were not citizens. Even though Obama says he was born in Hawaii, it doesn’t matter if he had Indonesian Citizenship, because he is now eligible. They are both the same, which one is different from the other. Neither.

  • DarkKnight2016

    kssturgis62 K-Bob poptoy1949 Don’t get mad at us because you interpret the Constitution wrong.

  • K-Bob

    DarkKnight2016  
    No, they are most definitely not crazy.  Defending the Constitution is never crazy.
    It just happens that the NBC clause is exactly as important as they say it is.  My disagreement with them is that this isn’t the time to put that particular clause’s state of disrepair ahead of all of the other clause’s states of disrepair.
    I’d rather hang out with the so-called “birthers” than the progressives any day of the week.

  • kssturgis62

    DarkKnight2016 kssturgis62 K-Bob poptoy1949 how did I just interpret it wrong? 

    Obama has a Mom US Citizen 
    Cruz has a Mom US Citizen 
    Obama born in Kenya – Dual Citizen
    Cruz born in Canada – Dual Citizen 
    Obama’s Dad never an American Citizen when he was born 
    Cruz’s Dad never an American citizen when he was born, became one 30 years later,. 
    Cruz came back to the USA at the age of 4 
    Obama from 1967 to 1971 lived in Indonesia 
    In 1971 Obama came back to Hawaii and after his sister was born his mother returned. 
    If Obama was born in Hawaii, his father was still not a US citizen and he became an Indonesian Citizen to attend school there. 
    where is the difference between them???? They are the same, they have all been made the same. There is no difference. 
    I am not mad, I don’t get mad. I just get mad when people accuse me of hating Liberty or my constitution, or accuse me of being a liberal or something so off the wall. This is a discussion, I can have those without name calling or accusing people of being things or doing things. It is also just typing, people can’t see faces or read emotions. But they can make them up. 
    I only type in caps to emphasize not to yell. Those who know me know that also. Just explaining myself, not attacking or anything like that.

  • K-Bob

    zeeshopperK-Bob 
    My comment included this:”Because those of you who are honest know damn well there are several
    interpretations of that clause that predate the ratificiation of the
    Constitution.  And any who claim to have done their homework on this and
    refuse to admit those other existing definitions exist are not being
    honest.”
    .
    Your reply was this: “…If that is not enough for you to understand why being born of two US Citizen parents on US soil at the time of birth”
    So clearly you’ve chosen to camp on either the uninformed or the dishonest side of things.  Take your pick.
    Until we have that Amendment, your selective definition applies to you only.

  • K-Bob

    lanahi K-Bob Kunta Kinte 
    Indeed. I wonder if these Al Sharpton style racists secretly hate MLK for having been so much better than they are.

  • K-Bob

    lawngreenK-BobKunta Kinte 
    “I was about to go on a heated rant.”
    I did, too, then I just deleted everything I typed and made it reeel short, like.

  • K-Bob

    DarkKnight2016 publius69 K-Bob joleone  
    Dang foreigners!

  • K-Bob

    publius69 K-Bob joleone  
    I prefer not to rehash it.  The argument has been beaten to death in many sites on the web.  Just pick one.  FreeRepublic is good because they allow massive cut and paste there.  But several sites exist just to deal with the issue.
    As the great Mark Scoot used to say, “forget having an “open” mind.  Go read them with an active mind.”

  • K-Bob

    zeeshopper K-Bob 
    That’s his schtick.  He only uses it on the people who are not willing to accept facts and logic as presented, and instead come back with the same old progressive/marxist talking points.
    He’s had many liberal callers who managed to stay polite, and when Mark made a point of logic or presented a fact, they didn’t just go into denial mode and start in with the usual accusations.
    We’ve had a few liberals who managed to hang on a long time here for the same reason. They aren’t all sick-minded freaks.  Some may be salvageable.

    The other thing he does is cut off callers who agree with him, but are not adding anything to the show.  That part is a bit harsh, but it’s a good way to keep the show from turning into Alex Jones or George Noory.

  • K-Bob

    warpmineK-BobKeyeskssturgis62 
    “On the other hand if Cruz cannot be eligible because he hasn’t two
    citizen parents at birth, this would nullify the entire regime and that
    right there would be the correct step.”
    Yeah, if this were 2009, you might have a glimmer of a hope with that.  But with barack having re-election handed to him by progressive Republicans in 2012, that ship is well over the horizon.

  • kssturgis62

    K-Bob Keyes kssturgis62 I am not using my own selective definition. I AM NOT going to birther sites, and listening to Alex jones or alan keyes, I am just reading, I have read and read till I am blue in the face. Not just recently, for a few years. 
    I dont’ hang out with birthers, I dont’ even consider myself one. I haven’t ever protested or donated to anything of theirs. I have read some things they have stated, but kept my nose out of it. I just read. Then I found out a couple of years back that if you go to the Library of congress, or when you start visiting Presidential Libraries, you can see actual documents, and you can read them, I started there. I then went back to the Federalist papers especially essays 3 to 7. Then I went from there and looked more. I am not some nut job who hates my country, or is making things up. I just read. I am not a lawyer, I am not classified as a historian, i am just a reader of history and when I go on Vacation it is all around history. 
    It is just like the Term Uncle Tom as an Example. People say that is a Terrible term. Well if people really knew who Uncle Tom was, and if they went to his home, and they saw his school, they walked the Underground Railroad, to where he lived in Dresden Ontario. They would know calling someone that is not as bad as they think. That is all I do is read, and when I go somewhere I spend days in that one place because I love history. I had a Great Teacher in High school Mr. Hipwell who taught True American History, for I wasn’t a Dept of Ed Baby. That is where it came from for me. I eat it up, that is what I read, and that is where I go. 

    But I do agree with you on one point, we do need an amendment but  then again Would that make any difference. Supreme Court ruling would that make a Difference, I don’t trust Roberts after obamacare, the Supreme Court is a mess. Because the NBC clause is Gone. It means nothing anymore, because we got to this point when they said John McCain was Natural Born, and then they qualified Obama. Chester Arthur is a good example Of the one before Obama who had issues and he Burned all his stuff to hide it. he was not Qualified. Ann Coulter even brought him up.

  • K-Bob

    kssturgis62 K-Bob Keyes 
    By “selective” I mean that you have done your homework, and selected the definition you want. However, you simultaneously have decided the other definitions are unacceptable.
    That’s fine. I like the more narrow definition myself.  But the other definitions will not magically vanish in a puff of logic just because you and many others have deemed it so.
    The logic of the situation is unavoidable. Several interpretations of NBC exist and have existed for well over a century, and prior to the Founding. Because of that, and because the NBC clause was never expressly defined in “official” documents, the argument is unwinnable.
    Hence the need for an Amendment.
    And yes, an Amendment will work.  A freshly-painted Amendment waved in the faces of law enforcement is like a get-out-of-jail free card. It would give Governors the ammunition they need to make sure the ineligible stay off of state ballots.
    And that last point is a doozy: Such an amendment would mean that It only takes one Governor of a big state to keep foreigners out of the White House.

  • K-Bob

    kssturgis62 K-Bob poptoy1949  
    You have simply chosen a hill far from the field of battle as your hill to die on.
    The NBC clause is important, but it is not so important that worth throwing away our one chance to avoid civil war.
    If you profess to love the Constitution, you would never do that.

  • publius69

    kssturgis62 publius69 poptoy1949 I disagree.  the critical factor is that obama’s father had no legal status at the time of his alleged impregnation of obama’s mother. on the other hand, cruz’s other parent was a lawful permanent resident…huge difference

  • publius69

    kssturgis62 publius69 poptoy1949 I disgree. there is a clear distinction between the two.  Obama’s father did not have legal status at the time of his alleged impregnation of obama’s mother and his whereabouts at the time of baby obama are undetermined but regardless, papa obama did NOT have any legal permanent residence status. Cruz’s parent had legal permanent residence at the time of cruz’s birth.

  • publius69

    in response to http://www.livefyre.com/profile/12191411/   there is a huge distinction between cruz and obama’s “foreign” parents:  obama’s putative father did not have any us status either before or after obama’s birth. on the other hand, cruz’s “foreign” parent was a lawful permanent resident.

  • lawngreen

    DarkKnight2016 lawngreen Well, here’s some good news for you: I excluded myself from the republican party immediately after the 2012 elections. By then it had become apparent that the repubs would never welcome, let alone assist, let alone not attack, conservatives (such as the Tea Party) and the repubs would continue to drift left. That leaves me a little suspicious about your reason for apparently linking these two parties. They are very different.

    The repubs have now completed what even they probably didn’t expect: their metamorphosis into democrats / progressives / liberals.

    Although I haven’t polled the Tea Party / Parties, I suspect that there are many other “birthers” among us. I am sorry to be the bearer of bad news: I must inform you that I will not abandon the Tea party. And I doubt that the Tea Party will abandon “birthers”.
    Cheer up, Dr. DarkKnight. One out of two isn’t TOO bad.

  • kssturgis62

    publius69 kssturgis62 poptoy1949 Ted Cruz’s dad got a Visa to attend school at  the University of Texas. he had to get out by having an exit visa. In his own words he says the following: 
    “Then the only other thing that I needed was an exit permit from the Batista government,” Cruz recalls. “A friend of the family, a lawyer friend of my father, basically bribed a Batista official to stamp my passport with an exit permit.”
    yes he did have legal status when he married ted’s mother, but both Were on visas for school. Obama’s dads ran out, Ted’s Dad did not. But Obama’s dad was here legally on a visa for education because after they married they went to Seattle. 
    Teds Dad – “Since he liked to eat seven days a week, he worked seven days a week, and he paid his way through the University of Texas,” Ted Cruz says of his father, “and then ended up getting a job and eventually going on to start a small business and to work towards the American dream.”
    Only he did that in Canada, where Ted was born. His father went there after having earlier obtained political asylum in the U.S. when his student visa ran out. He then got a green card, he says, and married Ted’s mother, an American citizen. The two of them moved to Canada to work in the oil industry.
    “I worked in Canada for eight years,” Rafael Cruz says. “And while I was in Canada, I became a Canadian citizen.”

    So his DAD BECAME A CANADIAN CITIZEN BEFORE HE BECAME AN AMERICAN CITIZEN. 
    The elder Cruz says he renounced his Canadian citizenship when he finally became a U.S. citizen in 2005 — 48 years after leaving Cuba. Why did he take so long to do it?
    “I don’t know. I guess laziness, or — I don’t know,” he says.

  • stage9

    DarkKnight2016 I don;t think birthers are necessarily crazy; I just think Obama is a liar:
    http://www.wnd.com/2011/06/316749/

  • stage9

    I got to be honest. I don’t know WHAT to believe on this subject frankly. All I know is that the birth certificate the White House released to the public a couple of years ago — the short form certificate — was indeed a fake. Whether that was intentional or whether they truly meant to deceive the public (they’re liberals, of COURSE they meant to deceive the public!) I am not sure.
    I know that the entire reason for the “NBC clause” to begin with was to prevent foreign citizens from being elected to the presidency. The reason was to prevent a seizure of the government by those hostile to the United States.
    Unlike Obama, who ignores the Constitution, Cruz has proven his worth and loyalty to the Constitution. In that, they are very dissimilar. And in that, the Founders would draw the distinction, I believe.

  • zeeshopper

    K-Bobzeeshopper The only interpretations are the ones made by people who don’t understand the real definition.  There are no definition of Natural Born Citizen because back then it didn’t need one (such as of today we don’t need a definition for Kardashian).   It’s funny that you are the only one here calling names for not being in an agreement.  Putting me in your uninformed or dishonest bag only means that you are playing the Saul Alinsky card.  Keep playing!

  • Keyes

    stage9 
    But if Cruz runs, he would also be ignoring the Constitution. If one doesn’t care about that part of the Constitution what other parts do they not care about. Cruz needs to just admit he’s not eligible.

  • Keyes

    K-Bob 
    K-Bob, why do you guys keep running this stuff? Why isn’t this site hammering on the fact Congress is in recess and they should call Gowdy, Goodlatte, Cantor, Boehner, and their own representatives and BEG them to NOT pass ANY immigration bill?
    We must stop amnesty…then keep the House and take the Senate in 2014. Those things are what we MUST focus on.
    I wish conservative sites would stop posting “whose running for president in 2016” nonsense.
    STOPPING AMNESTY is first and foremost.

  • Keyes

    warpmine K-Bob Keyes kssturgis62 
    Precisely!
    We must not put Cruz on the ballot. We do that and we can’t go after Obama and nullify what he’s done.
    If Cruz were to win, we could never nullify what O has done. There is something quite disturbing with Cruz refusing to admit he’s not eligible.

  • Keyes

    BS61 
    By refusing to admit he is not eligible to run for president.

  • Keyes

    DarkKnight2016 Keyes poptoy1949 
    Boston bombers, 9-11 hijackers,….look at muslims in Europe…what they are doing.
    We allow too many people in here each year and we cannot assimilate them.

  • Keyes

    kssturgis62 publius69 poptoy1949 
    His excuse is laziness! Unreal.
    Makes me wonder if he still has loyalty to Cuba.

  • Nukeman

    Orangeone Nukeman joleone  
    Yes, the child is a US citizen (according to our present laws). No, the Natural born status cannot be determined, unfortunately.

    Let me ask you this. Is an anchor baby a natural born citizen, by your definition, and if so, can he then be President (and do you want him to be)?

  • Nukeman

    BTW, the argument of the definition of “Natural Born Citizen” has been hashed and rehashed here and elsewhere many many times over. We will not resolve it here or any time soon, for that matter. Somewhere, somehow, the definition MUST be made clear, otherwise we will argue this till we’re blue in the face and the likes of Obama will keep using it to soil the good name of the Constitution.
    The bottom line is the words in the Constitution HAVE to mean something otherwise we might as well start over somewhere else.

  • Nukeman

    dereid49 Nukeman kssturgis62  
    “Subjects by birth” is a British term. “Citizen by birth” is what the founders wanted to distinguish us from them.

  • Nukeman

    K-Bob kssturgis62 poptoy1949  
    Perhaps avoiding a civil war is not the best way to go. Our founding fathers felt so.

  • Nukeman

    1tootall  
    My comments wouldn’t have even occurred had it not been for your irrelevant and inane comments about someone’s misspelling. But I guess that makes me a Marxist, even though your comments to me just described what you did to kurtUSA and then projected it onto me. But, to be sure, calling me a Marxist makes it all so relevant. Indeed.

  • Orangeone

    Nukeman Orangeone joleone An anchor baby is not a US citizen as all IMO because you cannot benefit from the fruit of an illegal act and entering the US illegally is a criminal & illegal act.

    • Dan brant

      And what crime did that “anchor baby commit?

  • K-Bob

    Nukeman K-Bob kssturgis62 poptoy1949  
    Yeah, if we have to, we have to.  But seems like we ought to follow the Constitution up to the very end, and then have a war. Not just go straight into one.
    I figure the next civil war will not be as clean and nice and low-in-casualties as the first one. That’s why I want to avoid jumping right into it.

  • K-Bob

    zeeshopper K-Bob  
    Those aren’t names, that is the logical position you hold if you continue to claim only one definition was operative at the Founding.
    You don’t have to like it, but the logic is unassailable.  My opinion means nothing: it’s all in the facts.

  • K-Bob

    Keyes K-Bob  
    It’s Scoop’s choice, but my guess is because there’s precious little happening on that front.
    Issa’s glacial-paced committees and the recess make for very dull news days.

  • K-Bob

    Keyes warpmine K-Bob kssturgis62  
    That’s about as equally disturbing as some random guy not “admitting” if he’s stopped beating his wife.
    He is eligible, so of course he’s not going to make your day and hoke up some fake “admission”.  If he has to “admit” something he should admit that he is definitely running so we can start building a campaign warchest.
    Gotta have them greenbacks.

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  • AngelNova

    The liberals are scared of Ted Cruz and will do anything to get him out.   Ted is eligible , thank God.  We need a conservative like him to take on the liberal democrats who are destroying America.  Ask all the constitutional lawyer and all the answers are the same.  Ted Cruz is eligible and that is bad news to the lefties.