Mark Levin was on with Hannity and a great conservative panel tonight for the full hour to discuss his new bestseller, The Liberty Amendments. Great questions from the panel and great discussion from Levin.
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I could have watched a ten-hour marathon. This country NEEDS a marathon of conservatism.
Short of the Great One’s arguments, the only alternative would (eventually – read your history!) be violence.
Thank you RS for this upload. A great big tree with a beautiful canopy but shallow root structure tips over in the first big storm, and tenacious grass roots activism seems to be the message here in order to revitalize our nation’s literacy of our Constitution. Ordering Mr. Levin’s book on Kindle asap.
I caught most of the program tonght and will record the 2nd airing in a few minutes. Did they bleep some of it out? Wasn’t sure if it was my satellite or if Levin had some of his comments bleeped.
Sadly, elected officials don’t have the guts to do this. They can’t even muster the courage to secure the border or even pass a budget.
SigEliteDark I plan to purchase it at Barnes & Noble tomorrow. They won’t have it prominently displayed (they never put his books front and center.) I love buying books by conservative authors as the cashiers always look disgusted. When I want to have fun with them, I go to the information desk and ask if they have a particular book and ask them to show me where it is. They hate it.
Thanks for the full video. I missed it earlier.
lonestar1 SigEliteDark I love it!
Saw this live. The man is absolutely brilliant and born for a time such as this. God Bless him!
It’s time, folks. It’s up to us to get the ball rolling. No one else is going to do it for us. I haven’t watched the video yet. I’m just getting ready to. I’m hoping there is some discussion of the practical steps we need to take to have our state legislatures begin this process. As I’ve mentioned earlier, I believe the best approach would be to start with a convention devoted to a single amendments – term limits That is one amendment that is capable of receiving bi-partisan support.
We need to start petitions for our respective states, asking our state governments to support a convention to submit a term limit amendment to the states for consideration.
lonestar1 SigEliteDark Great recommendation on course of action. Instead of ordering on-line, I’m going to copy-cat you and get a hard copy!
I think the key to getting traction on any of these amendments is to start pushing our state legislators on them. The DC crowd will try to snuff it out, but if we are pressuring our state reps and senators about this stuff, it will bubble up from the bottom, like gay marriage, etc.
I don’t think we can change DC without changing the states attitudes toward DC first.
Matt Bevin needs to beat McConnell in Kentucky! C’mon Kentuckians you need to get McConnell gone. Dan Bongino for US Congress, 6th District, Maryland, Jorge Bonilla, running for Florida’s 9th Congressional District, Rob Maness, running for US Senate, Louisiana!! This is only a start. We need to clear out Congress, and bring in Constitutional Conservatives. Then work on some of these Amendments with them.
As I’ve said in previous posts, I believe it would be smart if we did not try to address all of the needed amendments all at once. We can address them one or two at a time. We should start with the low lying fruit, those amendments which have the best chance of passing more quickly and easily than the others. If our focus was to push for a convention whose purpose was to consider only a term limit amendment, that may be very do-able in a relatively short time. Then we can address the others, one or two at a time.
For those states that allow voter referendums, we can push to have the following proposition put on the ballot in 2014 (the wording isn’t perfect, but you get the idea)
‘The state legislature of Florida (or wherever) is directed to contact the legislatures of the other states, for the purpose of convening a convention to propose an amendment to the United States Constitution limiting the terms of Senators and Representatives to 12 years’
Where are all my beloved RightScoopers? So many seem ambivalent to Mark’s suggestion. My suggestion? Hop on board. It’s a good idea. How many of us have looked at the map after recent elections, and marvled at how Obama could have gotten elected when 3/4 of the map was shaded red? The states are our strength. In this process, Wyoming and Oklahoma count just as much as California. Have we grown so used to losing that we don’t know what to do when a strategy presents itself that just might have the potential to turn things around?
I don’t mean any offense to anyone. Judge for yourself and support it, or not, based on your own assessment. I just hope that we don’t stick to old strategies simply out of habit
PVG I’d pay money to see Levin moderate a debate, he would expose all these career politicians, D’s and R’s, on their colossal ignorance of the Constitution. They’d be begging for mercy, even that “Constitutional Scholar” in the big white house.
Mr. Levin is, without question, brilliant. I would say that his expertise in Constitutional issues is probably without equal. His recommendations for new Amendments to the Constitution are superb.
I personally would add two more:
1. Repeal the 16th Amendment.
2. Return all responsibility for money to the U.S. Treasury, demolishing the Federal Reserve.
The question I would have had for Mr. Levin – and, for that matter, any of the members of Hannity’s audience – is this:
Given the overwhelming power and size of the collectivist mind-set in virtually all the governments and para-governmental agencies through-out the U.S. – city, county, state, and federal – and of the majority of Americans, how would it be possible that any of what Mr. Levin proposes be implemented?
If we can’t even defund ObamaCare, how can we expect to implement the Amendments that Mr. Levin is proposing?
Please don’t get me wrong. I personally and desperately want Mr. Levin’s recommendations to be implemented. He presents a solution and that is superb.
I am praying for him. I am also praying for the United States that God will rescue it from its downward spiral.
It’s not a democracy!!!!!
Typically, I am an optimist. I try to find the good in any situation.
But, to think that amendments to the Constitution will solve this crisis is in my opinion naive and pollyanna.
The federal government violates the Constitution with impunity. What difference will an amended Constitution make?
What is to keep John Roberts and 4 other statists from interpreting the new amendments any way they please? They need but cite “Penumbras” and “Emanations” to justify their justifications for tyranny.
We have an unopposed consolidation and concentration of power in the Federal government. The Repugnicants want centralization just as bad and the Marxist/Democrats.
Mark Levin, who I adore, is seeking to save the Republic as currently constituted. I think it is a fools errand. California doesn’t want to be free, nor does New York, Illinois, the entirety of New England, and most of the Pacific Northwest. They want tyranny. They want an all powerful centralized government. They have nothing but contempt for the Constitution.
I am of the opinion that America is on a collision course toward dissolution. If Liberty, Freedom, Private Property Rights, Rugged Individualism, Free Market Capitalism, Personal Responsibility, Personal Virtue, and Self-Governance are to be preserved, it will be in the states that still honor and strive for these long held American ideals.
The tenth amendment is the answer. States asserting their rights is the answer, A third party is, IMHO, is the conduit . Civil disobedience is the mechanism. Simply put, short of revolution, FEDERALISM is our only way out of this mess,
All these Levin books and the country is closer to Communism. The judges are more out of control and the Obama regime is destroying our Constitution. There are not enough people in the Levin choir to save this nation, but glad he is able to make a few bucks in our continuing recession.
Wow, what cheap advertising! Michael Savage is banned from Britain and FOX.
fireme “Levin choir” – Good one!
The real problem is LAWS are only for us and not the leaders
All the laws mean nothing – unless they are followed by all – even Kings!
fireme Michael Savage is a low and weak man to kick a conservative while he deems them to be down. The left will support their fellow men when the chips are down and low, just look at the support they give Biden and lying under oath Clinton, and yet the right is always blaming and in competition for the sake of greed and power. I am a conservative and sick and tired of savage. HE BACKED TRAYVON MARTIN AND called Zimmerman the problem. SAVAGE has lost his mind and good things will never come to him for how he is bad mouthing his fellow conservatives. doesn’t make him look any better
PressWatchusa why are we tied o this law of health care and the house and congress exempt from the law of heathcare
Mr Levin is a great man great patriot , some on I know we all have the highest respect.
I wonder Mr Levins legal foundation would be interested in taking the case for the gentleman who Obama and his administration lied about, claiming his video was the cause of the Benghazi attack where 4 Americans were murdered by terrorist? Its a fact and we all have heard the facts come out that it had nothing to do with this American or his video. So if the man wishes to file the multiple lawsuits that should be filed against Obama, Susan Rice, Leon Panetta, and others in Obama’s administration, would his attorneys be willing to handle the case. The man was used as a scapegoat and the damage caused by this administration lying jerks is wrong and impeachable.
Please Mr Levin, not trying to put you on any spot but if you happen to read this comment please what say you about these questions.
I’ll listen for your reply on your radio program as I listen most of the time.
fireme Michael savage says on his show that anyone that doesn’t come on his show should be outcast. last night it was Ted Cruiz. He is nuts…. he hates all conservatives that don’t worship the ground he walks.. the man needs to step back and take a listen to himself some time.. Plus, he cuts off all his callers mid sentence. Just like Oprah, got to big for himself. He will do himself in just like oprah did
jamesbotts16309 You are right and it has started. In our little corner of VA we had two candidates that challenged 2 twenty year incumbents from the House of Delegates that were supposed to be Conservative, but weren’t. A little research and a trip to Richmond to watch the proceedings and these two came away with enough stuff to unseat these two incumbents. They had shoestring budgets and discovered enough people who were totally dissatisfied and very angry at these two incumbents. The secret was going out and knocking on doors. What interesting conversations these two challengers had with constituents! Some people were in tears because of the situation both locally and Federally. No one had ever knocked on their doors and presented a more common sense approach. There was and still is so much untapped energy out there. People are PO’d.
I don’t know if these two candidates saw this last night, but I know they are both going to be getting Mark’s book. In fact the local Tea Parties are on this too and this was before anyone had seen the book. Jenny Beth Martin seems all in. This is right in her wheel house. Sarah will be on board. Let’s see who loves this and who doesn’t. Chris Christie=No. JMHO.
lonestar1 Term limits. They won’t need any guts.
fireme He speaks too much truth.
AmericanborninCanada I understand what you are saying, unfortunately that solution has not worked, because elected politicians once folded into the Washington establishment system, like being accepted into a private all exclusive elite club caves in, gives up, and joins the privileged lifestyle with perks that financially and politically benefit them, that insulates them from the public, from their own constituents, even from their own laws that they impose upon the rest of America- eg; Obamacare, Insider Trading Laws, etc, – their original constitutional conservative values and principles that they were sent by their constituents in the first place.. thus becomes part of the problem, not the solution. The most famous example is Marco Rubio.
Thus is why Mark Levin proposes these US Constitutional Amendments and the 2nd part of Article 5 process, which goes around the politicians / Congress and the President, whom will not and refuses to change, because they the ones who set up the govt this way deliberately for their anti-American, anti-US Constitutional centralized govt agenda, to force them to act as they should, not as they like. Thus when they realize they will have full authority and power arrested from them by the People and States of this Republic Nation, they will either concede, or will obstruct it by any means necessary to keep their grip and hold onto full power and authority.
Levin is brilliant,nuff said!
Mark Levin is our greatest patriot today…..he is working overtime to save the republic. Is America listening?
4, 1776 – The Declaration of Independence of the United States
the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the
political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the
powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature
and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind
requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are
created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable
Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That
to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their
just powers from the consent of the governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is
the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new
Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers
in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and
Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established
should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all
experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are
sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are
accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing
invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism,
it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to
provide new Guards for their future security.”
This is what we are losing under Democrats / Liberalism / Socialist Marxist Statism / Centralized Govt Totalitarianism.
Case in point, Obama’s and the Democrats rein of tyranny will soon be upon us with the full weight and power of the federal govt, unlike we have only seen and read about in the news and history books-
(Does anybody realize the tyranny that’s about to be unleashed / released upon them.)
“Obamacare “Troops” planning mandatory home visits”-
you prepare for the IRS to start monitoring your health insurance and make your
medical records accessible to thousands, perhaps you also should vacuum your
floor, wash the windows and lock up any weapons, should you be so unwise as to
actually have them.
in readiness for Obamacare, which will include home visits for many citizens,
maybe even everyone, depending on the interpretation of the law.
and Human Services’ website states that your family will be targeted if you
fall under the ‘high-risk’ categories below: Families where mom is not yet 21.
Families where someone is a tobacco user.
where children have low student achievement, developmental delays, or
disabilities. Families with individuals who are serving or formerly served in
the armed forces, including such families that have members of the armed forced
who have had multiple deployments outside the United States,” Cook wrote.
constitutional attorney and author Kent Master Brown has said it’s not a
“voluntary” program.” unquote
as Americans learn from history that tyrants come to power because of the
ignorance of the masses, let alone learn from our own Founding Father’s who
fought tyranny and created our Republic Nation of America.. or will we as
a people act like an ostrich with our heads in the ground until it’s too late,
because of their apathetic attitude of: “this is America, so it can’t
happen here”.. Wrong ! It’s happening right before our very
“I do not believe in a fate that will fall on us no matter what we do. I do believe in a fate that will fall on us if we do nothing.”
~US President Ronald Reagan~
I am ordering your new book and have others you have
written.I love the education you
This year (2013) one of the most faithful men I know, the
man that holds my heart and hand in marriage, got a notice that the place where
he has worked for 40 years is closing its doors.His plant is moving to Mexico!When the plant was first sold by G E to its
present owners the employees were told they were paid way too much and no such
pay scale would exist in the business’s future.The new owners of the plant lowered benefits and encouraged those with
working spouses that had insurance benefits to go to the spouses
insurance.At the time my husband
commented this was the beginning of the end for his job.
The plants present workforce get to help train the people
that will be getting the jobs that are leaving the USA. The company announced the closing
would occur within 18 months.Employees
were told they would get a 60 day notice before their last day of employment
and that depending on the number of years of labor their loyalty, dedication,
and service would be rewarded with 2 to 8 weeks of pay.
My heart breaks for yet another blow to the American
worker.I am forever thankful to God for
my faith, family and friends! To all of this my dear husband has said, “It is
not Mexico’s fault their people need jobs and a way to take care of their
families also” and, “They don’t have to give us anything” I am so thankful to
have married a man who continues to help where he can, retains hope, moral and
ethical judgment, and is not ashamed to do what it takes to improve our
Unfortunately I feel Detroit
is going to be the typical appearance and condition of the USA in just a
few years.As the opportunity to provide
and care for an average income family is legislated and or taxed out of our
country the desire to simply try, create, develop, inspire and achieve will
also be diminished.It is difficult to
have pride and protect what we feel offers no opportunity or loyalty, (Benghazi). More and more
our peoples and our military are feeling this rumbling change of attitude from
the top down.Hopefully we start to
realize that we ARE Americans and “IT DOES MATTER” (no matter the color of our
skin) and our government is tasked with meeting OUR expectations—not the other
I applaud those like yourself who are trying to educate the
rest of us on what rights as Americans we have taken for granted.We have at our finger tips the ability to
refuse to allow the political and media instigated divisions to keep us from
the goal our founders dreamed for this experimental Republic. While mistakes are made as we develop I pray
we rise above the derailed government, unions, and self-serving political arena
that steer the country today.
A parent and grandparent myself I pray for our country and
people daily.I wanted to thank you for
the passions you show in helping to improve our country.Your show keeps me hopeful as well as aware
of what is happening.Thank you and God
PressWatchusa Yes, like forging birth certificates.
The time has come start acting and save ourselves.
Finally, Mark has conceded to the Article V
Convention. He must have read my book “We the People: Whose
Constitution is it Anyway.” Unfortunately he did not read it in its entirety,
because had he did he would have avoided the having to make a public admission
that we can turn the Republic around in just a year or two and not need his
supermen of Constitutional thought.
I welcome him and all others to read my Mission Statement on
“Mobius Strip Press dot com,” for a glimpse as to the ease of the process and in
my book forth coming book it will prove how easy it will be.
Welcome to “Reclaiming the Republic.”Now go fight for your liberties before some
tyrant or despots rip them away from you!
G. R. Mobley
He did NOT say “we can turn the Republic around in just a year or two” and if you would close your book and open your mind, you might just hear what he IS saying.
Judges … I am thinking. It is only 8:30 AM in my nic of the woods and the cobwebs have yet to clear.
Mark is proposing a mechanism to bring the balance back to the 3 branches of government and at the same time re-establishing the sovereignty of the States.
He has proposed 2 amendments that deal with taxation and federal spending.
He has proposed that executive departments / bureaucracies MUST have an affirmative vote on their continued operation every three years. This in itself would be a huge step.
To your point about obamasCare being difficult to defund;
The difficulty is in getting our elected officials to take their constituents seriously and instead they simply endorse the statists agenda as soon as they believe the people have relaxed their diligence.
The States re-establishing their right to appoint senators who serve at the behest of the State rather than being popularly elected goes exactly to this point, as well as the term limit proposals coupled with the amendment to establish tax day as the day before national elections (the states would do well to incorporate that in their state constitutions as well).
The possibility that this Constitutional approach to bypassing an ineffective and obstructionist congress can be seen in the State suits against obamasCare and in other attempts by the federal government (epa, et. al. ) to grab power that derives to the States by the 10th Amendment and the push back by the states that aren’t completely governed by communists.
Even in California the electorate has pushed back strongly when given the opportunity in ballot initiatives so the potential is there.
In the end, this is the only possibility to avert dissolution or anarchy. We all need to be prepared to educate everyone we possibly can influence for a chance for this to work. IF it does, and it is a long shot, that effort will have to be maintained for generations to sweep the socialist mindset out of our society.
Thanks Scoop, you have performed an invaluable service and I hope each of us sends this far and wide. Hannity did a superb job of hosting and Mark of articulating the need for a restoration. Top notch audience!
I’m not confident w/ BO building up of civilian military he will leave office voluntarily. I don’t think he would hv this time but by using Hagels rigged voting machines etc he stole election. Do web search on it. We must make sure honest machines used even if he leaves after election which I doubt.
Obviously those of us who support Levin’s strategy are not going to get everyone to agree with us. That’s fine. Those of us who think he is on to something will push forward and hopefully more will join us as we get going.
Many have posted reasons why it won’t work. They say these amendments will do no good because the federal government already controls everything and won’t enforce any new amendments they don’t like. If that’s the case, then we truly are doomed, and that may very well be the case. If so, then we are headed towards ruin either way. I suggest we take Mark’s suggestion and find out. If we don’t we’re headed towards ruin and civil unrest anyway.
In answer to the objection that these amendments will not effect anything because the federal government will not allow them to be enforced, I would point out that these amendments are specifically aimed at using what little independent power remains with the states to chip away at the very entrenched federal power that you speak of. States still control the election process. Term limits on Congress would be a direct hit on the entrenched political power in Washington of which you speak.
If a term limit amendment passed 3/4 of the states and the federal government tried to block it, then you can bet people would take to the streets, and that would certainly be the time to do so.
ttechsan And I heard the same crap about the election machines in 2000 and 2004 because they were made by Diebold a company that leans right.
I would rather try this route than begin shooting because the next revolution will indeed be the shot heard around the world and the world will be involved.
Like Levin said desenters… if they disagree with his suggestions thn whts their plan… ?
“I do not believe in a fate that will fall on us no matter what we do. I do believe in a fate that will fall on us if we do nothing.”
~US President Ronald Reagan~
JohnDavidson1 Yes, and it take more than being keyboard warriors!
Voter Fraud in
Florida Analyzed by Allen West – Sean Hannity – 11-12-12
If we can’t even defund ObamaCare, how can we expect to implement the Amendments that Mr. Levin is proposing? If Obama is elected and re-elected?
THE RINO votes along with the Democrat votes will assure that the Islamic appeasing/Marxist agenda of Barack Obama will be furthered. The RINOS (Democrat plants? Republican sell-outs?) are not going away. Think about it. If it were not for the 14 Senate Republican “YES” votes … the Democrat would not have received the 60 votes required to pass the Comprehensive Immigration bill.
Unless RINOS in the Senate and the Congress are replaced with Conservatives or … a Conservative Party emerges … Mark Levin’s plan is all for naught. Bottom line! As it currently stands … the two party system in the US is nothing but an illusion.
Somebody please tell me I have got it all wrong.
Gutierrez: I’ve got 40-50 GOP votes for immigration reform
[AUDIO] Harry Reid: John McCain controls about 10 people and that’s all I needed to get things done in Senate.
August 9th, 2013
Senate roll vote for immigration bill
June 27, 2013
Republicans Yes – Alexander, Tenn.; Ayotte, N.H.; Chiesa, N.J.; Collins, Maine; Corker, Tenn.; Flake, Ariz.; Graham, S.C.; Hatch, Utah; Heller, Nev.; Hoeven, N.D.; Kirk, Ill.; McCain, Ariz.; Murkowski, Alaska; Rubio, Fla.
mike3e4r7 I am not against an Article 5 Convention at all. My question is Mark seems to be saying we should focus on the State Legislatures and accept a few RINOs on the Federal Level. For example Mark voted for Romney, says it would be a disaster if the GOP lost the House in 2014, and if Hillary became President in 2016. And Mark is IMO the best host at bashing the DC RINOs but IMO if people still vote for them in general elections they will stop an Article 5 Convention. The Statehouses are full of ambitious politicians like Marco Rubio who have interaction with Federal power players. For example, in 2011, way before the nomination, most of the California Legislators had already endorsed Romney. Does anyone think for a second that a President Romney, who also would be the leader of the GOP would allow a Conservative Article 5 Convention? And the legislators would also have to deal with co-opted Governors like Jan Brewer. Again I am not against Mark’s idea, I just think it is naive to think that the voters can somehow block off their state legislators from Washington Power Players. IMO whether it’s an Article V Convention, a viable third party, or a Conservative takeover of the GOP, the federal RINOs must be retired. And in order to do that, IMO Conservatives must stand down in certain elections, for example if it were to be Christie versus Hillary, the Conservative Movement would need to find a third party alternative with Hillary being the likely winner. Are Conservatives willing to do that? Speaking for myself, I was not in ’08, I voted for McCain, but I was in ’12, I voted for Tom Hoefling. So to sum up my biggest problem with Mark’s idea is the notion that we can separate state and federal politics, IMO that is not how politicians think.
… A must watch thanks RS for posting. “
mike3e4r7 Also, very respectfully, I disagree with term limits. I think it gives the DC Staffers even more power and takes the electorate even more out of the game. Here in California we have term limits and it is a disaster. State Senator Abel Maldonado agreed to Schwarzenegger’s tax raise largely because he was termed out and Arnold offered him the Lt’ Governor’s job.
if you want to make the federal goverment powerless pass the 1st amendment that was never ratified. It contains no clause to make it outdated so it is still valid, already passed by the congress just waiting to be raitified by enough states. It will change the entire makeup of the House giving the people back control of the house.
uncmetsgal “Violence” Who would dare advocate for this? Reality will lead us down this path. The news outlets from the networks will be the root cause of the war. Most of the population, given the truth to begin with would have advocated a sharp turn away from the progressive agenda but as we all know for fact, the new coming from these outlets 100% propaganda using slanted facts.
It will take decades for anything like the Liberty Amendments to come to fruition. We don’t have the time or do we? The economic collapse will happen one way or another. Before their agenda reaches it’s full serfdom conclusion, we’ll be at war, at each other’s throats looking to kill one another.
Perhaps in the aftermath, we can rectify all of this and prevent it from happening again using these proposals Levin puts on the table but in the mean time I suggest that you arm yourself, learn to use those arms and further make preparations for some scarey moments coming down the pike that will make the Hollywood apocalyptic productions look tame.
Death to the King and his minions on both sides of the isle!
I am glad there is not enough time for me to develop groupies… someone did not read my mission statement and message. It will take a few minutes, but it might help you sleep.
You are absolutely correct, Marky Mark DID NOT SAY a year or two. I did! As a matter of fact don’t read my mission statement/message you might garner who did… I’ll give you a hint. Try reading Madison’s writing and Jefferson’s. Even Hamilton in his “early” days espoused State power and oversight and Washington’s Farewell Speech touched on it.
Keep in mind Mark Levin was ardently against the Article V process for several years. He excoriated several people for bringing it up on his show (don’t worry not me, I do not need his validation). To me, this is why he looked humble and contrite on the show, and had I been on the panel I would have pointed out his historic diatribes, and how I appreciate his new position, but he is missing a critical part of the Sates power in the Republic and Article V.
If you read my message, I am not trying to sell my book. If you want you can get any Section you want for free and compare mine to Mark’s… and yes even you can get the concept of the Article V powers of which I am speaking eventually (once you put aside your worship of men), but this is water you must drink for yourself, and once you do you will see just how easy it will be in a YEAR OR THREE.
If you think we have the time Mark is attesting, you need to look at the macro of geopolitical movements, secularism, world finance, and the markets and commodities. We’ll be lucky if we get much farther as a nation past 2016.
So standby http://www.livefyre.com/profile/19680162/ I will not enjoy being the one to tell you I told you so!
john norton learn to spell…
No_BlahBlah PoCoTex Neither of the 16 or 17th Amendments were legally ratified to begin with. Des anyone here believe that the several states would voluntarily give up their place at the legislative table? Neither do I.
htales mike3e4r7 Nether congress, the president, or any other fed official has the authority or power to block an Article 5 Convention, it is something that the states do independent of congress, thats the point.
Have we grown so used to losing that we don’t know what to do when a strategy presents itself that just might have the potential to turn things around?
I must be missing something. Please explain how Mark Levin’s strategy is suppose to prevail? As long as RINOS in the Senate, Congress and the Judiciary continue to further the agenda of the Islamic/Black/Hispanic appeaser/Marxist in the White house … NOTHING is going to change.
Where were the voices of Senate and Congress Republicans regarding the obvious voter fraud that resulted in the 2012 re-election of Barack Obama. Why was there no challenge? Even Conservative Allen West who attempted a challenge backed off. Why? Something is hinky.
Allen West Concedes Defeat Despite Options Still Available
Wednesday, 21 November 2012
The Allen West for Congress campaign issued a press release on Nov 20 conceding defeat. A post-election audit in this contest could have national implications if it uncovers significant illegal voting by ineligible voters, whether that be because they are non-citizens, non-existent people, or people registered multiple times. It would likely lead to similar post-election audits across the nation.
Conversely, if there was only minimal illegal voting in this contest, the public has a right to verify that as well. Allen West’s decision to concede the election without a post-election audit to check for potential illegal voting may be one of the top 10 political blunders of 2012. The people who dug deep into their pockets to donate the $17 million to his campaign deserve better.
“Des anyone here believe that the several states would voluntarily give up their place at the legislative table?”
What are you referring to?
BetseyRoss jamesbotts16309 I was happy to see Jenny Beth in this audience. I haven’t had a chance to read Mark’s book yet, but I have it right on top. As soon as my house is livable again, I’m going to jump back in with both feet. Ain’t got nothin’ if we don’t have our Constitution and decent people in office to uphold it.
I understand that the Feds have no legal authority to stop an Article 5 Convention. I am talking about the real world and how the game is played as far as pressure, power and ambition. There is no buffer to keep the Feds from meddling and trying to derail the process and they have something to offer as far as career advancement goes. I’m not against it but IMO it can’t be done with the Federal RINOs in charge of the party. Let me put it another way: if we were truly close to an Article 5 Convention a President Romney, John Boehner, Mitch McConnell, Eric Cantor, etc would be making a lot of calls and having a lot of meetings to dissuade individual state legislators. There is no escape from voting out the RINOs in DC if people want limited government.
lonestar1 SigEliteDark I enjoy unburying conservative books at the big box store. I then generously spread those titles on top of the stacks of liberal hogwash.
(I started playing this game because I realized what a deep search I had to go on every time a new conservative book came out.)
mike3e4r7 Well as I said, I am against term limits but for an Article 5 Convention, I just don’t believe you can do it totally from the bottom up, you have to politically take out the RINOs at the top. In fact, the more I think about it, I think it would probably easier to achieve an Article 5 Convention with a Hillary Administration than a Bush or Christie Presidency; Hillary could not bring as much pressure to GOP State Legislators. I am not advocating that anyone vote for Hillary but IMO there is no reason not to go totally scorched Earth on the RINOs on the Federal Level. John Boehner and their ilk should be primaried, if that doesn’t work third party, if that doesn’t work write someone in. Mark Levin hinted on his show that the people in Boehner’s district should maybe consider voting for the Democrat opponent, I personally think people should never vote Democrat under any circumstances, but I think Conservative need to risk short term Democrat Majorities in order to retire the RINOS which IMO should be the top priority.
On the Founders and Slavery: http://thebottomlineusa.wordpress.com/2013/08/17/an-in-depth-look-at-the-founders-and-slavery/
No_BlahBlah warpmine Err…the 17 amendment.
Laurel A A godless people leading a godless revolution will produce godless results. That’s what I fear will differentiate this one from the last one, and the result will be FAR less desirable.
Guaranteed to expose the RINOs when they squawk about it . . .
htales mike3e4r7 – That might no be the way the policians tink but we must try someting and wo kow? the good lord may be on our side as he was in 1776. Not many thogut they woucl change King richards mind eihter but liook what appned and i knnow this is ot a smilar argument but the toguth is —
PSNewton fireme He speaks too much period!
AmericanborninCanada My great fear would be McCain majority leader?? God help us!
nhLevinitized PVG Oh to dream………….
Good people — This is a sad state of comments and possibly one of the reasons the country is in the state it is. GOOD PEOPLE THIS COUNTRY IS GOING TO HELL. WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING AND NOT DEBATE ABOUT WHY THINGS CANNOT BE DONE.. iT DOES NOT TAKE MANY TO MAKE A CHANGE AND MOST OF THE TIME THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE ARE IN A STATE OF TRANCE- NOT CARING OR NOT EVEN KNOWING WHAT IS GOING ON. those of us that write or comment should strive to be constructive and instead of finding reasons why a thing cannot be done we should look for ways to unite and do something. Pete Maniscalco — [email protected] an 88 year old codger that hates the road this country is on
Laurel A Very well said & I agree 100%. No election or revolution (political or otherwise) will matter so long as the mass of people involved are black as night inside. We’re at the point of Nineveh. Forget R or D, our choice is sackcloth or fire.
Mark Levin has some great ideas We should build on them and promote the idea of going back to a constitutional republic and one of the ways I suggest is to make more use of the internet.. It does not take a lot of effort to unite us on the internet and it is much easeir than it was in the 1700’s when they just had Nellie — Pete
PVG AmericanborninCanada That’s where people in States need to check on recall provisions and if they’re able to- DO it.
john norton My plan is para 3 of the 14th Amendment. You don’t let the marxist near our Constitution. In one vote it will be dead, he will be king and we will all be his slaves.
Laurel A Obama can’t wait, now has Levin’s playbook and will move quickly to destroy the constitution and our republic, replace it with a socialist country.
htales mike3e4r7 Just take a look at those State Legislatures. Look at the RINO governorns that are pro-ObamaCare exchanges, pro-illegal aliens. All the federal gov’t has to do is turn off funding to the states and the Governors will sign on to the amendment destroying the republic and our constitution. Money talks to every single one of them. Need some examples? Rick Perry, Jan Brewer, Kasisch, Scott Walker, Chris Christie, Bobby Jindal. All are ObamaCare and amnesty.
htales mike3e4r7 Very good point! It also gives the Progressives the ability to introduce and pass their own amendments. They already control the elections.
ttechsan We are not the ones voting, the State legislators who are also controlled by big money vote.
Laurel A ttechsan True the Vote has some good information on what happened in 2012
I’m guessing that was a typo.
I banned that fraud from my radio years ago.
PoCoTex Repeal the 17th, 23rd, 24th, and 26th while you’re at it. Return the vote to property owners only.
If you aren’t on board, stay out of the way. We aren’t stopping.
K-Bob fireme With all respect K-Bob it’s our country and our Constitution too. If we believe the constitution and country will be in jeopardy by having the progressives propose and pass their amendments to strip us of our rights, we are free to express that. To say otherwise, is to say we no longer have First Amendment right to free speech.
You just contradicted yourself. We either use the Constitution to Restore the nation, or we go the war route. States aren’t some sort of club that can just arbitrarily act.
K-Bob Judges718 That is not true. Take a look at para 3 of the 14th Amendment. I have to run the case law but I believe that is our avenue to remove the cretins from power.
warpmine uncmetsgal Best.post.of.the.thread!
The 10th Amendment:
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor
prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively,
or to the people
I am saying the States should nullify all the extra-Constitutional federal regulations, laws, edicts, rulings, etc.
The individual States, much like how Obama and the Ruling Class Reputridcants ignore our immigration laws, should refuse to comply with extra-Constitutional federal regulations edicts, etc. Unlike Obama and the Ruling Reputridcants, the states have a legal argument under the 10th Amendment.
Also some great Conservatives in the stands.
No_BlahBlah PoCoTex Yours is an excellent commentary and response to mine. Thanks!
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–> Mark Levin
makes an irrefutable case that we long ago passed the point of no return for reforming our bloated, degenerate, dying federal government by winning a few elections. The people who rigged this system made certain to armor it against future dissent from unhappy voters<–
And there lies the
crux of the problem.Restoring this
country to the foundation set by the Constitution is a noble idea and I would
love to see it happen.The better
solution is to start again with a New America.
~~~~ John Galt
Take Me With You .com ~~~~
I’m still not sure to what you are referring.
Repealing the 17th Amendment doesn’t take any power away from the states, it gives back power that the 17th Amendment stripped FROM the states.
Before the 17th Amendment senators were lobbyists that served in the senate at the behest of the state. Most were appointed in a manner similar to the electoral college delegates and by nomination and election by the state congresses.
The senators could be recalled at any time and a new senator chosen to serve out the term if the state felt that the senator WASN’T serving the interest of the state.
We saw that case many times during the oCommiesCare debates and votes but the senators were insulated from their own constituents and even the states that didn’t want the vote result that occurred could do nothing about it.
mike3e4r7 The sheer inertia that will have to be overcome to get ONE 5th Amendment convention argues differently I believe.
Each proposed Amendment needs to be concise and succinct with no additional issues attached so that they can be debated and then voted on without too many cross currents of meaning and intent. A catch all Amendment will go down in defeat because there will be too many reasons for too many delegates to disagree.
The 10 or 11 that Mark suggests aren’t new and have been discussed for years so it isn’t as if these are something people haven’t thought about. Some will be harder to get the approval than others but that is the way it will be.
Orangeone K-Bob Judges718
Read the articles you can find on interposition and on nullification. Those are the two routes that seem to be sort-of-allowable under the Tenth Amendment. However, those have proven to be either unworkable or unconstitutional, depending on who is looking.
With the Article Five process, there is zero doubt as to the Constitutionality of it.
The states cannot simply declare the Federal acts based on the Constitution as null without having to back it up with force. That’s what was tried in an attempt to avert the Civil War, and it failed.
Of course, that is where we will have to go if the Article Five attempt fails.
But going there first is nothing more than a push toward war. We need to try the Article five path first. It’s no different in scope than the amendments launched from Congress.
We will attempt it. I see no reason why anyone should try and stop it. Especially since we are now in a post-Constitutional period.
It is interesting how many folks want to tell us we won’t be able to do it because it’s difficult.
The fact is, it is an action that can proceed regardless of what people tell us or think. It’s fully authorized, and no one can stop us.
I confess I am not interested in what the naysayers are bringing to this discussion. I’ve studied this subject for years, and I have heard nothing new from them so far. Nothing.
If you have something new and original, then sure, I want to hear it. But the same old naysaying is completely uninteresting in light of what the Article Five process really was designed for.
And the historic reality is: it WAS designed for this moment.
The Founders had many fallen civilizations to study (real civilizations, not just tribal crap like the Afghanistan of today) when coming up with their plan. Nothing about technology and petrochemical or nuclear energy sources has brought anything new to the table when it comes to the basic concepts of democratic republicanism. All that technology and energy adds is to make certain aspects of the process more convenient and more instantaneous. They really knew what they were doing a mere Two-Hundered and Twenty-Six years ago. In terms of human history, that is not much time at all.
Those of you who have read the books available to the Founders know that modern minds find them “difficult” to read. Not because of the language (although that is part of it). But because it demands a better educated mind than our schools produce today. The Founders were not nearly as weak-minded as your average member of Congress today.
So the Founders knew we would come to this crossroads. And crossroads is right. Some of us are going to take this new path. We ARE going to do it. We WILL get it done.
So to the naysayers, I simply declare it is going to happen, and you’d best get on board to help make it happen right. We aren’t going to pass this one chance to avoid all-out Civil War.
— This Article Five process is going to happen —
I pledge my life, and everything I can bring to the table to make sure it succeeds.
This is a movement that will not fall apart, because unlike the Tea Party and Conservativism in general, it has a solid, completely defined philosophical foundation based on the best of Constitutional scholarship (and I am not referring just to Levin here, but the entire body of thought from Locke to Levin and those who will come after). It represents a tightly-focused mission, and tactically, is a complete, definable, and achievable goal. (Conservativism is more of a broad, cultural ideal. The Liberty Amendments are more like a mathematical theorem in comparison.)
The tea party movement is where it springs from, to be sure, but the tea party is more of a generalized concept, with many, many potential outcomes. This Article Five process is the entire, broad, Tea Party movement reduced to a stilleto-sharp speartip. This kind of focus, driven by our undying committment will be unstoppable.
God, I actually pity those poor sons-of-bitches we’re going up
against. By God, I do”
— General George S. Patton,
Mark Levin for President!!!
—http://regularrightguy.wordpress.com/2013/08/18/mccain-what-happened-to-kaitlyn-hunt-to-turn-her-into-a-sociopathic-sex-freak/ —Full Caf Americano
I’m not sure about term limits for the supreme court. Where would be w/o Thomas and Scalia right now.
LongJohn john norton That’s texterese.
Orangeone Laurel A once 0 collapses the economy this will all be academic.
K-Bob Orangeone Judges718 But I said para 3 of the 14th Amendment.
OFA is way ahead of you and has more money in the bank today than Levin will ever raise. They also have a steady source of redistributed tax dollars. The states will fold to Obama’s socialism amendment the second they are told if they don’t the federal funds are shut off. Say good-bye to a free America just like they did with a small portion related to Medicaid. They couldn’t wait to take the money and look how much more they will get when Obama seizes all of our assets. This has been Obama’s plan from the start.
We are not in a post-Constitutional period. We are continuing to win court cases, although more challenging. Look at NLRB appointments. Even the secret court has ruled against Obama.
We should use the 14th Amendment first to remove the Senators. That returns the power back to the House and the States.
Dr. Strangelove Orangeone Laurel A O cannot wait to collapse the economy and he is getting alot of help from the GOP spending us into oblivion and their chants for amnesty. That will displace tens of millions of employed Americans and collapse the economic foundation.
Fight the good fight people!
–> Mark Levin makes an irrefutable case that we long
ago passed the point of no return for reforming our bloated, degenerate, dying
federal government by winning a few elections. The people who rigged this
system made certain to armor it against future dissent from unhappy
And there lies the crux of the problem.Restoring this country to the foundation set
by the Constitution is a noble idea and I would love to see it happen.The better solution is to start again with a New America.
~~~~ John Galt Take Me With You com ~~~~
I sincerely hope so and I do agree with you… the issue is or has been the ‘under educated’ electorate! We have ninnies voting… people who do not understand the function of government or the ideology behind the ‘types’ which exist. I have read numerous books discussing the education of our founders and came away with extreme respect for their understanding of human nature and government function. Let’s hope and pray we do see some reclamation of our Republic!
sail2pete htales mike3e4r7 Look all I am saying is if people want an Article V Convention they can’t elect Federal RINOs at the same time. I am saying that in 2016 the “Anybody But Hillary” Crowd cannot settle for Bush or Christie because they will derail the Article V plans. They don’t have the legal authority but they have as much right as the voters to put pressure on State Legislators to derail the process. Likewise IMO if we leave the RINO leadership in charge of Congress. My criticism of Levin’s plan is that IMO is not the idea of the Article V Convention is not that it shouldn’t be done but that he is coming off like there is great separation from State and Federal Politics, where there is actually interaction and ambition. Now Mark Levin is among the best talk show hosts when it comes to blasting RINOs but he still voted for Romney. Again the California State Legislators on the GOP side had endorsed Romney in 2011 well before the nomination, there is always political interaction going on between the Feds and the States. I am saying for this to work, Obama or no Obama, Hillary or Hillary, primary or general, RINOs at all levels of Government must become completely unacceptable to the Conservative Movement.
Orangeone htales mike3e4r7 Orangeone you are so right! That’s what bothers me about this; I am fine with an Article 5 Convention but to say we can just do it from the bottom up is so naive. The GOP just nominated a complete progressive. And there are still a ton of Romney voters who are furious at the Conservative who refused to vote for Mitt because of issues. Any party that embraces a ticket like Romney/Ryan and throws a good man like Todd Akin, who very likely would have the same voting record as Ted Cruz, under the bus IMO has lost its way and that again IMO is a much bigger problem than Obama and the Democrats. The “Anybody But Obama” crowd, and Mark Levin was one of them, (although he was mostly a gentleman despite his one day tirade against Todd Akin) will likely be “the Republicans must keep the House” in 2014 and “Anybody But Hillary” in 2016 and all of that means RINOs, RINOs and more RINOs in elected office, because the reason RINOs win primaries is many, many conservative like Rush “elect Elmer Fudd” Limbaugh are willing to vote for them in the generals and that means the Article 5 Convention will only happen in Fantasyland as Rodney Dangerfield would say.
htales Orangeone mike3e4r7 Bingo. Rep Andrew Brenner just tweeted me that legalization for illegal aliens is supported by the base! I told him base is not supporting GOP and will never come back.
stage9 Laurel A I get ya but that isn’t how I see it. I see a God fearing group of people leading a revolution against the godless group of people.
I should forward this to my governor.
Orangeone ttechsan I don’t know, its like there is resistance to doing what we need to do which is vote the RINOs out completely. I’m a big listener to Mark Levin, right now he is doing a great job at bashing the RINOs, better than any other host. But if you bash them and then still vote for them in general elections it undermines the rhetoric. IA vote for Mitt Romney is a progressive vote, Obama or no Obama. I heard Mark Levin say that Romney could be molded into doing Conservatives bidding, IMO it is the other way around. But I totally get it, up until 2008 I thought RINOs were preferable to Democrats but I changed my mind after that election. Because it is not just about Romney versus Obama, it is about what does the Conservative Movement stand for. If we vote for a Romney or a Christie we are saying the Conservative Movement accepts Big Government in order to beat the Democrats and as horrible as Obama is I’d rather oppose him every step of the way than agree with Obama. What has all of this to do with Article 5? Again the California State Legislators, for the most part, endorsed Mitt Romney in 2011, well before the nomination, because like most politicians they are players rather than ideologically driven. So again, my point is I am not against the Article 5 Convention at all, I’m just saying it cannot be done from the bottom up alone, the Conservative Movement must go completely Scorched Earth on the RINOs to do it. In 2016 will Rush Limbaugh, Mark Levin, Sean Hannity, Anne Coulter say,” Hillary or no Hillary, it unconscionable to vote for the RINO nominee, we need a write-in or third party solution”? Because IMO that is the attitude the Conservative Movement needs to pull this off.
Orangeone ttechsan Also in regard to your comment about State Legislatures being controlled by the big money which I totally agree with, I have been advocating paying Congress and State Legislatures much higher salaries and no term limits. Singapore does this and has very few problems with corruption. At any given time we only 537 people working directly for us. Only they can cut taxes and spending, can reduce the bureaucracy and eliminate agencies and I think it behooves us to have them on the voters side rather than the lobbyists and I think it’s’ clear whose side they are on now. If we had a Conservative Congress who really tried to bring us back to Constitutional Government they would literally be risking their lives to do it, multiply Scott Walker times a thousand, and they would need to be better compensated. Congressional pay, unlike like many things we spend on, is a legitimate Government expense mentioned in the Constitution. And contrary to what a lot of people say I think higher pay could bring more “regular” Americans into the system. Schwarzenegger was paid one dollar to be Governor, how did that work out? How is Bloomberg working out? Are people satisfied with candidates such as Whitman or Romney? Cause that is, IMO what we are going to keep getting unless we get a different attitude towards compensation. Let me make it clear, I am for not for any Congressional pensions, the high salaries would only be for when they are in office, that in no way should prevent us from throwing most of the bums out now, and in no way do I think this idea is a panacea. But as much as we would like them to people like Karl Rove will NEVER go away, they will keep working to co-opt public servants within the system and I truly believe that higher pay is a way to counter it.
Until I heard Levin I thought we only had one option – revolution.
That may still be the option, but at least there’s something to try before coming to the last resort.
Ordering the book today! I’m all in…I’ve got grandkiddos. Lock and load, so to speak.
57thunderbird I think we all should no matter where they stand. Public service announcement?
htales Orangeone ttechsan Sorry was unclear, in Levin’s Liberty Amendments is the State legislatures voting not us.
Yes Levin calls out some RINOs sometimes. He has not called out the amnesty boy Rand Paul, he has not held Rubio’s feet to the fire,
I like the question at the end from the Townhall.com gal. It’s key that these kids who love libertarianism but vote dem are helped to understand the issues that they face, and the truth about what causes them.
K-Bob Great statement! I completely agree. The study of fallen civilizations by our forefathers is what is going to save us. We truly have the opportunity to re-found our country in the best possible way. I look forward to the future. There are dark times in between now and then, but it’s gonna be a helluva ride.
First, let me say I think this is a fantastic idea who’s time is long overdue and we should start acting upon this idea immediately. Secondly, I have some questions.
What is to prevent the Ruling Class from doing a pre-emptive strike against the Liberty Ammendments by pulling the strings of their puppets in the various state legislatures to call their own constitutional convention to sabotage the Liberty Ammendments from the get-go unless we take control of the various state legislatures by winning elections for the state houses with people who will promote the Liberty Ammendments?
We have to get control of all the state legislatures we need to put forth these Liberty Ammendments and I think the only way we are going to be able to do that is with either Independent candidates or 3rd party candidates who are committed to passing the Liberty Ammendments and who aren’t beholding to the puppet masters in Washington.
Another question I have is should such a convention tackle the issue of whether we should have an income tax or a flat tax or a fair tax or a national sales tax or some combination of these as part of a proposed ammendment and also should such a convention tackle securing our borders and immigration and guest worker visas, ect.?
John Craven – New Orleans
I just want to say thank you rightscoop for putting this whole show on your site. very enjoyable
Don’t know if I like the constitution they stopped using it before I was born. I don’t like the current system so if we implemented the constitution As founded. Maybe I could tell if I like it or not. I say we do what Nancy said to do let’s pass the original constitution and see what’s in it.
K-Bob There are many of us out here, that needs some specific direction and instruction on just how to begin implement this. Could you please advise us? I really enjoyed reading your comment here! It, along with listening to Mark Levin on Hannity tonight, has me “fired up”! I want to help bring this into fruition!!! Sincerely, RBest
At the rate America is disintegrating and falling into statism, I don’t see how there would be enough time to get control of state legislatures as a preparatory step to then dealing with the amendments.
Mark has missed the most import problem, the existing unconstitutional that is entrenching itself for the long haul. What he admits and asserts will take more time then America has. Even though I do not concur with sentiments that America is too far gone on the electorate side, I believe that reasonable people, equally informed seldom disagree. The problem is the level and type of information. Since Mark O’Reilly and others never apologize for plugging their solutions, mine will actually address the immediate problem first.
In the second book I will have what you need to actually make the impact and get results. Go to my site and see what the third book will entail, and then I plan on writing a series of other books that will initiate the discussion as to how to take America into the twenty-first century.
Thank you, rightscoop, for putting this up. This was a very welcome start for me, after my self-imposed ‘holiday’ from politics and current affairs.
I’ve downloaded the book (yep, I can get it here in the UK, no problem) and shall study it because many of the problems to do with an over-regulating, unaffordable state are present here in the UK as well, where for ‘Washington DC’ read ‘Brussels and the EU’. And just as in your country, freedom-loving Brits are standing up and have started to fight back.
Good luck to all of us!
ellebb YOU CANNOT HAVE YOUR CAKE AND EAT IT TOO — Pete
regularrightguy IF NOT FOR PRESIDENT HE SHOULD BE THE HEAD OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. Pete
DebbyX K-Bob – We need a leader. I am too old at 88 and if i were younger I would be too emotional to lead but I can sure follow if I led in the right direction and there are a lot like me. Let us unite with the internet — A POWERFUL TOOL — Pete
SilmarilTelerin — We would be throwing out the baby with the bathwater. We can save what we had if we get together and it would much easier than starting over. After all what we had in the beginning was very good — it had some flaws that led us to were we are , but let us learn and improve and we can do that with leadership like Mark Levin and others Like Sean Hannity and other great thinkers like Dr. Ben Carson — Pete
USMC 64-68 Revolution should be the last resort but should not be taken off the table. If that does come there will be bloodshed like this country has never seen. The Civil war would be child’s play — Pete
bfunk This whole progressive and liberlasim idea is promoted in the schools like many could not believe and we have to change that by promoting schools like Hillsdale College in Hillsdale, Mich. I have written them several times and would like to see them establish branches throughout the country — Pete
sail2pete USMC 64-68
I agree, it should be a last resort, and it must always be held as an option.
JohnCraven – We should first of all tackle just enough to gain control of our country and then make improvements from there. if we take on too much we might lose the whole enchilada. As far as our state legislatures go, they listen to the people more than the feds do and they are closer to us but we have to unite as one voice and the internet is the way to do it — why not use this powerful tool? — Pete
sail2pete regularrightguy Absolute dittos! Drop by the blog sometime pete. —http://regularrightguy.wordpress.com/2013/08/19/palin-copyright-infringement-gays-claim-ownership-to-gay-old-time/ … Full Caf Americano
ellebb Where would America be without the untouchable justices who have enshrined so much misinterpretation into law?
Just think, at their beginning, all of the Ivy League schools were like Hillsdale. They were created to train pastors and ground people in the truth.
USMC 64-68 sail2pete bfunk – Semper Fi Marine. You must be getting close to retirement age. Thanks for your service. I was with Patton in 44 from St Lo to the Bulge and a one way home. Those days fighting for freedom is peanuts compared to what we are going through now as we are being destroyed from within and the worst is yet to come. When humans get something for nothing they will not cut of the hand that feeds them — regards — Pete
sail2pete USMC 64-68 bfunk
I salute you my older brother for what you’ve done. The war I saw was a lot different than yours so I can’t challenge your assessment of it being worse now.
From what I know of our history – either through study or my experience in Vietnam – I believe that our most dangerous enemy hasn’t been the totalitarians of communism, nazism, fascism or even the militarism of Japan – it’s the progressivism of the democrat party.
Too many people can’t tell who the enemies of liberty are, and they can’t believe that they would hold offices and inhabit a political party. The enemy is inside the C.P.
sail2peteThen for all intents and purposes………………you ARE fighting the good fight Pete. Each and every one of us can make a difference in some small way. God bless!
DebbyX sail2pete You are also young lady — we all need to get on board
K-Bob, I was being sarcastic. Did anyone
hear Mark admit he was wrong or he was sorry for those years he vehemently tongue
lashed callers for bringing up their moronic ideas of a concon. I use to
listen to him years ago excoriate anyone who thought an Article V Convention
was a good idea and then admonish his listeners that his Status-Quo (voting Republican) was the
I am okay with changing course. Madison and many of the framers changed course,
I changed course and I welcome Mark for his change of course, but he made it to
where he is now on the backs of those he said was wrong and he was right.I think the stand up thing to do would have
been to offer an olive branch and a heartfelt apology.
The point in fact is this: I am the one and the only one who asserts we can
do this by 2016, we have to do this by 2016 or there may not be a Constitutional
Republic in play anymore.
If Mark and the others control this process, they will stall and continue
going down the path of greatest resistance, because there is more money in it
for them. Actually trying to Amend the Constitution having to obtain the
I hope I am wrong about the above sarcasm, but many is a powerful motivator for most.
How much money is noble Mark putting into his cause and the
fixing/saving our Constitution?Didn’t
hear Mark talk about his philanthropic endeavors, but he has a great tax
shelter that helps him leverage his position in the conservative talk show
market.It not like Tom Fitton who puts
his money where his mouth is.
So as the “TXGirl4Liberty” presumed that I am thumping my own book,
which again I will not apologize for (did anyone hear Mark or any other
conservative entertainer apologize for peddling their merchandise?) but if you
read my Statement I am setting aside 40% of my proceeds to the fix. “TXGirl4Liberty” why don’t you atleast read my statements for free before you open your mind…
In costs context, the HW portion of the fix in my book will costs millions, but ya gotta read the book to understand it for now.
For the sake of brevity read my statement here:
http://www.mobiusstrippress.com/mission.html I know it is a pamphlet, but Mark
and many who sat there for this Hannity show are lap dogs trying to get their crumbs
from the trough and are obfuscating the real fix that we can
accomplish in a matter of a couple of years.
Yes, I said a couple of years.Read my statement it for free and let it invoke some thought.Contact me directly via email and we can take it from
there.In the next few months many will
rise and this revolution will be televised. Again, I ask and I plead that you read my book
and my next two books coming out this year (God willing), they will change your
paradigm, and the good news is, the majority of the money you spend on buying
my book is going to the cause.
Mark covers the “existing unconstitutional” stuff every single day. He also covers thoroughly in his books, including this latest one.
USMC 64-68, you are correct about who our worst enemy is and it is an enemy which was foreseen by our founders – the enemy within. Which is why they added a second way to ammend our constitution apart from Congress – the way Mark Levin talks about in his latest work “The Liberty Ammendments.”
Sadly, the progressive enemy occupying the Democrat Party is aided and abetted and colluded with by the Vichy French in the Republican Party who occupy the leadership of the GOP.
John Craven – New Orleans
I agree with the use of the internet to unite us in a common cause and effort to re-establish constitutional government based on the founding principles enshrined in the Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution.
The question becomes what is just enough to tackle to gain control of our country without losing “the whole enchilada.” I contend we have virtually lost the whole enchilada without tackling enough and doing it quickly enough to keep up with the speed of change in this interconnected world.
Levin and others rightly talk about this being a post-constitutional era and government which operates by fiat and the rule of czars who were never elected to do what they do to us.
I believe the time for timidity has been way long over with in dealing with these problems of imperial presidents and jurists and collaborationists in Congress.
Every day we allow Nero Obama the opportunity to get away with not abiding by the constitution and every day we allow congress to get away without challenging him is a day lost in the fight for our nation’s future.
John Craven – New Orleans
Thank you so much for posting this video. I’ve emailed it to some friends. I don’t have cable TV because I’m one of the 76% of Americans who live paycheck-to-paycheck in this Obama Depression.
Well USMC 64-68, the question is will the state legislatures as they are now constituted – either controlled by Democrats or Republicans – allow “We The People” to call for constitutional conventions to deal with The Liberty Ammendments knowing that these ammendments would severly limit the power of big government statists in both parties from ruling from outside the constitution which is what is being done now without the puppet masters in Washington sayin “Nyet” to the whole thing.
If we are to forth and ratify even one of these Liberty Ammendments we have to rest control of the necessary number of state legislatures from the control of the puppet masters in Washington in order to accomplish that. I believe we will wait forever to deal with these ammendments if we don’t get control of the necessary number of state legislatures in order to put forth these ammendments. And therefore we have to start now doing so at the earliest possible election.
Levin read tonight from a piece from The American Thinker who mentioned that these ammendments could form the basis of a platform for a third party or for independents, conservatives and libertarians who seek office as well for the purpose of saving our nation.
John Craven – New Orleans
I’d say get a copy of Levin’s proposals. I’m willing to bet they will all be available for free online fairly soon. Get familiar with his commentary about the Article Five process.
It has to begin in the state legislatures. So if the people in SarahPAC, FreedomWorks, and other organizations can focus some attention there, we can get a few sitting state legislators to bring these proposed Amendments to the floor, along with a copy of a resolution petitioning the US Congress to call the Amendment Convention.
So focus on helping one of the organizations that gets on board first. Also, since this is a local strategy, getting to know your local party organizers is important. I’m betting the local Republican Party folks are far less insanely progressive then the clowns running the RNC.
Something like this can begin in your own circle of friends, if you get a few folks to ask to meet with those sorts of people: Party folks, your state branch of one of the PACs that will get involved, or heck, even get five friends and ask for time with a Republican (or libertarian) state Rep.
It will take two-thirds of the state legislatures, but it won’t be as tough as putting a party in charge. You point out that these amendments give states more power, and you’ll find folks willing to listen.
Let’s hope we can make it happen for Britain, colliemum. I’ll be watching events there closely.
Good luck to us all, indeed! May we live to see it done.
I agree with you John, we do have to start now.
The hour is late and darkness is enveloping our nation. This option is preferable to armed conflict.
Your reference to the wisdom of our founders is something I often think of – they were genius! (it also draws my thoughts to the providence of God in the founding of America).
When I think about how great our founders were and the document they created I think about how shallow (and deceitful) the progressive democrats are.
They scrapped the Declaration and the Constitution on the false pretext that they were “irrelevant” and “out of date” for “modern government.” – yet, here we see where their foresight gave us the necessary tools to meet the “modern” threats to liberty.
K-Bob GRMobley If you aren’t going to read my Statement, then you really are not obligated to reply. The point in fact., Mark complains about unconstitutional government but does not an effective solution. His proposal is not effective either, we will lose the Constitution by fiat.
Do not read my statement, do not contact me via email and do not schedule me for a free presentation (for as long as I can), because I am sure you can get Mark to come and address your local organizations for free. Better yet, I am positive he has a solution for Obamacare and the rest of the unconstitutional mess in DC.
We will be Reclaiming the Republic without these earthly gods. They may find relevance in the effort as long as it pays.
For those who look to the conservative entertainers as gods, they are merely humans, and do not have the “stuff” our framers had, for they lack faith. The same goes for those who do not understand republicanism and our hybrid Constitutional Republic. We have a short window to fix this mess or we will be subjugated to a sovereign who hates our individual liberty and sovereignty.
Yes the answer is in the Article V process, but not as Mark postulated.
K-BobK-Bob, is this simply a rhetorical statement”If you have something new and original, then sure, I want to hear it”? Contact me via email, as I asserted after reading my Statement because I would hate to think that someone who exudes passionate words such as: “I pledge my life, and everything I can bring to the table to make sure it succeeds,” would not investigate another option. I do not think you are as familiar with the framers specifically Madison as you assert and the context of Federal Paper #49, The title says it all.
USMC 64-68JohnCravenDevil Dog, they may have been brilliant, but they were mere men. The difference was the hand of God or what they called divine Providence.
It was the direct tie to Providence and the Christian faith that was the threat for the secular progressives. The last State to abandon a “State” recognized Christain Church was in 1877 and I think it was one of the Carolinia’s (forgive me I’m in a hurry here to go to work).
Once religion was out of the way the Fabiens subervted our education system in the 1880’s, and it has been down hill from there.
The Dem’s or progressives cannot scrap the Constitutional Republic without an Amendment to do so or a rewrtining of the COnstitution, what they have done has set up so many secuar progressive unconstitutional institution and department that they are spending us to ruin. This alone will place America into foreclosure and as the indolent become larger and larger they will soon become the useful idiots here to do what Lenin needed in his revolution, thus, the subjugating of AMerica.
As long as the Republic has the Constitution, we can fix it. We have litterally a few years left and this is the danger in false hope of the States bringing forth Amendments that will require 3/4ths majority, when we can dismantle the mess rather quickly.
I’ve asked other to read my Statement here but they either lack the time, the critical thought process, or are dependant upon those with expensive microphones and Cameras to lead them… You can read it here:
Contact me via email with your questions and I will send you citations that will support my postulation and refute the myopic argument in Mark and other assertions. Not that these guys are not smart, they are very smart business persons and they have a strong following…
However, I believe we must have people to think for themselves and the problem Mark has is he can not direct 50 platform, thus his position (the national stage).
I can’t make anyone drink the water but I am telling it now to a Marine, as a Marine!
There are two choices in Article Five.
TWO. And they are explicit.
So your declarations here are meaningless. Besides which, it’s a very poor way to introduce an idea — unless you are marketing to the opposition.
Just start typing in the box. This is where I communicate with folks, right out in the open.
Orangeone K-Bob fireme
Oh that’s not a ban on speech, it’s merely an point of fact. People can say whatever they want, just like always. But anyone who gets in the way by actively pushing against it will be considered as equal to the opposition.
You know, kind of how you and I treat the Luap Nor folks who claim all conservatives are “neocons.”
Orangeone K-Bob Judges718
No standing. That’s the problem. The Founders assumed no one would walk all over those sorts of declarations like some robber who ties you up and complains about your choice in furniture.
An Amendment with teeth give governors the power to act. That’s why we need this process. OFA won’t impede it, either. All we need is two-thirds of the states. I doubt they can get that before we do.
Besides, this is a stopgap to prevent war. If we try it and fail, then war will result. If they magically get to two-thirds before us, then war will result. So there’s zero downside to making the attempt.
K-Bob Orangeone fireme I hear ya. I will continue to toss out flags on the play and I hope others will as well. Best to know the potential warnings while walking in a mine field with our Constitution. I don’t trust the Progs, the RINOS, the Republicans or the Libertarians anywhere near our God-given rights.
K-Bob Orangeone Judges718 I have to research the case law on the 14th Amendment because I think we do have standing. Remember, they work for us and I cannot believe we don’t have standing to remove them for aiding the enemy (take your pick on the ones they’ve given our money to including Mexico). Do you really trust the Governors? Look at Brewer, Kanisch, Christie to name a few. Even Perry is soft on illegal aliens.
Not to mention the Dem Governors. Obama says all federal funding will stop unless they approve his constitution-destroying amendments and they will run to sign to maintain their own power. That’s way to frightening for me and will likely mean a war at the local levels too. They are already doing that with highway funding, school funding, etc.
I think ObamaCare is going down in flames, Egypt and the Saudis have O on the run and it’s our time to go after the RINOs and scare the he!! out of them on the amnesty and kill the bill as well as defund ObamaCare and push for a select Committee on Benghazi (looks like Egypt has some high ups in custody re: Benghazi).
We have the help of others right now distracting the fraud-in-chief. I thought I saw it takes 3/4ths not 2/3rds but maybe that was something else. If that’s the case, the Dems will not side with us ever.
Mark’s book arrived on my Kindle, I’ll stop reading Liberty & Tyranny and move to the Liberty Amendments and see what it says. But, I remain committed to not trusting ANY politician with our Constitution.
azgirl9000 Don’t ever get cable TV, the $$$ is going to Al Jazerra
colliemum Hey mum, wondered if you bought the Kindle version, I preordered and it arrived automatically on my Kindle :}
K-Bob colliemum On the Cruz threads we’ve been toying with inviting Canada to join our Union once Cruz is elected so we can share him. The invite is always open mum for you to immigrate, I have the room for you and lots of running room for the kiddos
Orangeone, it’s “In God We Trust”, and it was God who entrusted our founders with what I believe was divinely inspired wisdom to put to pen our Declaration of Independence and Our Constitution and the founding principles for our nation.
The Good Lord, I believe, imbued our founders with a very healthy skepticism of politiicians and big governments to the point that they could see that if there was only one way to ammend our constitution – through Congress initiating the ammendments – than there would be no way to protect us from a tyranical congress outside a violent overthow of the government so they with great presence of mind provided us with a second way to go around Congress to reign in this behemoth without resorting to an insurrection. I even vaguely remember this way being mentioned in civics classes as something that was there but was never used.
Well it’s time for us to use and it’s time for us to put in office in our state legislatures people we do trust to use it as intended for the purpose of reviving our nation. We have no other choice available to us and like you I do not trust the Progs, RINO’s, Libertarians and that is why I favor a 3rd party to promote these ammendments as part of their platform.
John Craven – New Orleans
colliemum, you freedom loving Brits across the pond are all in my prayers.
And as you say, “Good luck to all of us!” and may God shine His light upon us.
John Craven – New Orleans
K-Bob, I could be misinterpreting Levin’s proposal but it seems to me that by using the 2nd way provided by the founders to ammend the constitution, we can bypass Congress altogether and as long as the required number of states call for an Ammendment convention than we don’t have to petition Congress at all to call into order an Ammendment Convention – the required number of states calling for such a convention is in itself the call to order for such an Ammendment Convention.
Am I interpreting it correctly?
John Craven – New Orleans
Orangeone colliemum Yes, the Kindle version is the only one available right now. I could get the print book, but the surface mail from the USA usually takes 2 weeks ….
Btw, I got meself a new version, it’s called ‘paperwhite’, and the difference to my old Kindle is amazing.
colliemum Orangeone Congrats, haven’t heard about the paperwhite version. I have the Kindle HD which is awesome plus Kindle prime so I have access to alot of free movies including Runaway Slave by Rev CL Bryant. If you are in Prime, check it out, it is simply outstanding.
GRMobley K-Bob Very big words and you do sound very educated. If you have an idea feel free to list it. Mark covers his ideas with his education, big words and history. Counter his ideas with your own and do it quick. As you say we don’t have much time. The barbarians aren’t at the gate… WE are, and WE aren’t looking out the gates.
Lets limit attacking other conservatives. Lets listen to all ideas get ourselves together and act.
JohnCraven – John , you among a few others in this forum have some great thoughts and I know we are all passionate to do something. Let us deliberate carefully and choose the wisest course. To me I believe that would be to move to take over the Republican party and provide it with the right thinking Constitutionally Republic change we need to go forward. I am to old to do anything but support and perhaps provide some insight and experience. The Democrat Party has been taken over by an evil force and the Republican party is following on their heels but there is still time I believe to get some people in the Republican party and change their course. To start a new party in my opinion would be fractional and would destroy any chance of doing this i a timely manner — Pete
K-Bob Judges718 – You are not aware that the founders thought at the very worst we had a right to usurp any government if they became authoritarian and that is one reason we have the second amendment. I do not recommend this but it is a thought the founders had as a last resort. We used it to gain our Independence in the first place..
sail2pete, first let me say I appreciate your kind words. There are many on this forum who are really great thinkers about many things and I think I’m blessed just to be on the same page with them.
We took the Republican Party back in 2010 in the primaries and on election day we gave the Republican Party the House of Representatives and almost gave them the Senate and we gave the GOP a massive tidal change through the nation’s state legislatures turning them from blue to red in one fell swoop. That’s what the TEA Party and grassroots conservatives did for the GOP but between the primaries and the election day thumping we gave the Marxists in the democrat party the ruling elite “Vichy French” Republicans took the party right back and I believe colluded with Nero Obama’s IRS to make life a living hell for the TEA Party and others. Enough is enough salt2pete. Enough is enough.
John Craven – New Orleans
1st posting reply:
Sorry about the delay in my reply K-Bob, I still have to earn a
K-Bob, based on you comment below, I presume you glossed over the assertions
on my site. I do not want to be dismissive of your myopic argument WRT
the “TWO” ways, but I will not dismiss your off hand accusations in the lower
post; however, I believe you and those in “your box” deserve a substantive argument.
That said, I too can banter within or outside of boxes or paradigms;
thus, I will call you out if you were attempting to mar my integrity or honor
for suggesting that I have something to hide. Come on K-Bob, your K-Bob
pseudonym is what you call in the open? Are you asserting that I am naive
enough to believe that you strictly live in this box? This goading is
typically used by bloggers who hide behind anonymity and make juvenile
arguments. I would like to believe that you are not one of these…
however; I will call you out again on your honor. If you truly meant “I
pledge my life, and everything I can bring to the table to make sure it
succeed,” and your noble statement: “If you have something new and original,
then sure, I want to hear it,” because so far you have not exhibited critical
thinking, because I placed a significant level of content to my
“statement”. This is why I presumed that you glossed. Had you just
stepped out of the box, I would have offered you (as I have done thus far to
those who have expressed interest) a free section to read. I understand
that textual exchanges can be easily miss-interpreted so I will offer you
content to address your reluctance in my assertions and maybe give you and
those listening a different perspective; however, if you are jesting with me to
test the veracity of my argument, then you are a formidable farceur, and I too
can respect that. So here we go late Friday night, without editing:
Now that I’ve ended my work week, where do I start in context to the typical
“box” conservative? Well since this is a fixated “box” let me start with
one of Mark’s references to the Federalist Papers. What are these
documents (the Federalist Papers)? Are these works of literature,
strictly bloviating articles printed in a New York newspaper? No, they
were promulgated to other States as well specifically to Virginia and the other
States that had not yet ratified the Constitution, as well as a bound copy sent
to Washington and Jefferson. Keep in mind the Virginia ratification
debate had not occurred, until after Federalist Papers 70 or so… In
essence, these documents were illuminations of the Constitutional contract as
convention delegates (if you remember Mark agrees with the assertion that the
States created the child government); thus, the States are the parents in this
relationship that I will refer to as a hybrid Constitutional Republic.
Therefore, in enumerating these defined roles for this general government
within the proposed Constitution, the two big States in the public forum
(Virginia and New York) were pushing back on ratifying and the other big States
Massachusetts and Pennsylvania had already ratified with stipulations of
Amendments and interpretations.
Therefore, the Federalist Papers were used as a source of “anonymous”
authority (because there was a pledge of secrecy) under the pseudonym of K-Bob,
I mean Publius; however, Hamilton, Jay, and Madison considered it paramount to
delineate and clarify what the contents of the Constitution actually meant, and
this is why they were addressed and include with the testimony of the delegates
as to the intent and meaning of the Constitution. If one reads the State
journals, almost every State went line by line as to what each line meant and
the delegates were instrumental in providing the insights to points of
contention. One may want to look at the New York debates, because
Hamilton was opposed by the other two delegates as to what some things meant;
however, there were times when they did acquiesce on meanings and
2nd Posting reply:
Because each State had to “approve” the contract this made the States the
“Founders” of our government; however, the contract was not valid until 3/4ths
of the States ratified. Bottom line, the States were the principle
“stakeholders,” and not the men – the men most people refer to were actually
framers. Anyway, the contract was defined in every case (during each
ratification debate) that the States were Superior in all things that were not
enumerated in the Constitution. This is the typical paradigm to a
Constitutional government. One unique thing from our Constitution to
Britain, Rome, and other European Constitutions, the People and the States
retained primary sovereignty. Listen to Mark again in this interview when he
quoted Madison in Federalist Paper 45 that the powers to the general government
are limited and the States unlimited, this is precisely what Madison and even
in other Articles Hamilton asserted, and later Jefferson, Monroe, and others
asserted as well.
Needless to say my Constitutional friends, as the States went through the
ratification process an interesting thing occurred in contract law. I
will presume all understands contract law and illuminate the “box” for my own
In contract law, during negotiations (or in this case the ratification
process) of a contract, the terms of the contract as they are dynamically
delineated and defined further, either verbally, or in writing these
qualifications, expressions, or further definitions are legally binding to the
contract. This is why companies delete emails today. One must also
remember the difficulty in modifying documents during the eighteenth
century. Therefore, as each State had their delegates “testify” and as
the delegates who wrote the Federalist Papers provided almost line by line
refinement and definitions as to what each line meant, these are actually
legally binding for the State and all States who entered into the contract
based upon the original 13 States interpretations, understandings, and definitions.
Unfortunately, the Supreme Court has seldom referenced these artifacts and
documents to support or build their rulings upon. Consequently, many
rulings that have been used as precedence cases were actually violations of the
Constitution and the original definitions as documented in the ratification
debates and the Federalist Papers. Maybe this is why each State kept a
record. Either way, in 1976, as a bicentennial effort, UW set up the
Documentary History of the Ratification of the Constitution (DHRC) library,
which now bears the name of the Center for the Study of the American
Constitution (CSAC). This is an awesome resource!
Why is this important, because the Federalist Papers was where both Hamilton
and Madison deviated from the archaic argument of what a Convention is
for. The title of Federalist Paper #49 speaks for itself “Method of
Guarding Against the Encroachments of Any One Department of Government by
Appealing to the People Through a Convention.” Furthermore, if you read
these Articles, you will see both Madison and Hamilton assert that a part of
the checks and balances built into our hybrid Constitutional Republic is the
oversight responsibility that the States have to keep the general government
within the bounds of the enumerated powers of the Constitution.
Unfortunately the States have either been sleeping, or culpable in the
divergence from our Constitutional Republic. Regardless no action does
not make unconstitutional government and laws Constitutional, it has to be ratified
by the States for anything to become Constitutional. Judicial review
won’t make anything constitutional, and this is why Amendments have never been
written by judicial rulings. For some reason, people believe that SCOTUS
possesses the power to make something constitutional; however, you won’t find
an Amendment giving them this power. This is pure self-aggrandizement.
To support this fact that the States have a much greater role, and to take
this point even further (or kick it up a notch), in 1798 and 1799 there were
two historical resolutions made, which identified further powers the individual
States possessed when the States could not coalesce into a convention. If
the horizontal checks are between the branches of government, I assert that the
Constitution gave a vertical check to the States for oversight of the general
government. BTW, all the framers conceded this point. I actually
cite a few disparate references to this in the Federalist Papers within my book
that the States possess this full oversight.
Does anyone have any ideas on what these aforementioned resolutions
were? Again I’ll presume everyone does and write for my own
edification. These were the arguments which Dr Thomas Woods and many
other Historians call the nullification powers of the States. This has
been used several times since, instead of convening a convention! To
K-Bob’s point that only TWO things that exist in Article V (yes, but a
Constitutional Convention is not limited to amending the Constitution only),
K-Bob could argue that nullification is not in the Constitution either and that
the Sates do not have the power to nullify anything the general government
does. Therefore, nullification must be unconstitutional? Of course
that is an absurd assertion, nullification is in place today as States pass
laws to legalize Marijuana, and these States are arguing that the Federal
government does not have the enumerated authority to dictate what drugs are
legal and what are not. Read Dr. Woods book and you will find a plethora
of cases were nullification was used when other States refused to join in a
grievance with a particular State(s). Such as Wisconsin, when they
nullified returning the slaves back to the Southern States.
3rd posting reply:
Anyway, if one reads these two resolutions and other Madison speeches, as
well as Hamilton, Jefferson, Mason, Monroe, John Taylor, and many more, the
Republic when coalesced together as a unified body, the Republic possesses
incredible powers, because the Republic IS the Parents of our aforementioned
Let me take an aside, I know I come off sarcastic and for that I
apologize, because you typically lose more people then you win, regardless of
the veracity of your argument; no one likes a bully, right? This was a point I
made earlier about Mark Levin, who has made a living out of being a bully;
however, my contentions with Mark are not limited to simply that. He is a
very educated man and I believe a good man, but even early this week when he
appeared on Hannity again (getting more free air time to plug his book) he
contradicted himself a few times saying that we need to raise the Republic up
from a grass roots level, but needed to do it all at a national level?
This is because he is a federalist or nationalist and not a republican (not the
Party), but I digress… Honestly, I would love to sit on Hannity’s show and not
plug my book and teach his audience about the power of the Republic in tearing
off the unconstitutional laws, functions, departments, etc…
Some ardently argue that only Congress can call a convention, but I say,
what if we get 34 States (only 34 are needed for a convention) together to
coalesce for a Convention, and Congress refuses to recognize it. Does it
invalidate the Republic and the Convention? No, this will only show
Congress or the general government will simply fail once again to do their duty
in supporting, protecting, and defending the Constitutional Republic.
Here is one little insight into Section IV of my book I actually call for an
“on-line” secure convention. I know you can read a lot into this, but you
will have to read the book to get into the details. Consequently, Mark
either knowingly or unwittingly joined the camp of the “Friends of the Article
V Convention” and the Constitutional Party, if he too insists that we must wait
for Congress to call a convention or that we can ONLY suggest Amendments as the
It is as simply as this, in a Constitutional Convention the power of
nullification can be done at the Republic level (requiring only 17 States to
reject unconstitutional government and laws); thus, undoing all the
unconstitutional government like the EPA, DOE, and all non-enumerated
powers. Let me repeat this for K-Bob’s and everyone’s sake here.
When and if the States convene into a convention, they not only can, but
they are duty bound (according to Jefferson and Madison) to address all
usurpation’s and constitutional violations to either reject them or make them
Constitutional via ratification (which requires a 2/3rds majority).
Brilliant Constitutional Professors have pointed to this power at the State
level, but it apparently falls into the cracks in scope of the
Convention? Too many people are living in “boxes.”
What this means is this… let’s say all States in the Convention believe the
role, responsibility, and power (RRP) of the Department of Transportation is a
RRP that they want to retain. Then it will only require 34 States to
fully accept the DOT in its current function and framework, to then allow this
RRP to be enumerated in the Constitution; essentially, ratifying DOT as an
Amendment to the Constitution. This is because this RRP originated by the
Federal or general government and not the States (which would require 3/4ths of
the States to ratify). One small exception to keep in mind here… this
original passing in both Houses would have had to have a 2/3rds majority
approval before it can be considered as “Amendment” worthy. Again, had
this RRP originated from the States submission, it would then require the 3/4ths
majority rule, such as Mark’s Amendments. Therefore, those who fear of
the maddening idea of the States in a convention would do away with the Second
Amendment or anything crazy like this must remember that it will require 38
States to ratify/accept these types of changes as Constitutional. The
progressives don’t even have 25 States willing to do away with the Second
4th posting reply:
Is this something “new” enough for you K-Bob? Actually, I expect those
who protect the Status-Quo and non-critical thinkers to consider this to be
heresy, but even Madison, who was considered a strict constructionist, accepted
the unlimited role and responsibilities that the States possessed, barring the
enumerated powers. A case in point one may want to read Madison’s March
3, 1817 veto of the “Bonus Bill.” In addition, one may want to read the
James Monroe veto of May 4, 1822 and the Andrew Jackson veto of May 27, 1830 to
see the relevance or Constitutionality of Nixon’s DOT. Then read the
Jefferson’s Kentucky resolution and Madison’s Virginia Resolution to understand
the States obligation in dealing with unconstitutional government.
Another good read is Madison’s address to the Virginia Constitutional
Convention of 1829 (I think) and the State’s role in the Republic.
I also understand people tend to become fanatical, and when it appears that
one is attacking something or someone, which is held as sacred in the mind of
one or many that people instantly become defensive for that thing or
person. Obviously, I do not mind arguing ideas and points, but if you
want to attack my integrity or honor, then I can and will defend myself in or
out of the box. Putting aside these differences, what is paramount here
for us as a nation is that we teach those critical stakeholders in every State
(State Legislatures) to defend us from Federal tyranny. To do this we
need to build alliances and synergy, and again put aside our biases and
simplify the message, which is hopefully what I just did here for everyone
listening. I have faith that with God’s help we can do this just like the
framers did. What made men who argued and couldn’t agree on anything
before or after the convention, come together in such a short period and erect
the greatest nation ever? It was their faith in God.
I am putting my money and my text where my mouth is, and my second book the
Strategy to Convene a Convention will be a lot less words and content, and will
lay out a battle plan in how to get to a Convention. Therefore, the
second book will be more affordable, but if you are looking for a pretty
comprehensive challenge to the average concepts that we can’t do anything, then
you should read my first book. I actually, cite biblical references as to
the origins of liberty, which Jefferson asserted was endowed to us by our
creator… and much more. I hope to be done soon with book two, but I am
trying to keep breaks like this from interrupting it too much, so I can focus
on providing some ideas for the cure, but getting people past their paradigms
is also important. This is why I am looking for what I call missionaries
in my statement on my website, not to get rich or sell my book but to spread
the word that the solution is that simple K-Bob. I look at 2016 as the
litmus test of turning this Republic around (God willing). We should be
close by this time to have the States required, and I am not being overly
optimistic here as you will see in book two. I cannot do this alone, but
I feel there are many here and all over the nation that feel the same and can
see how close we are to peril and literally failing as a nation. I have
good citizens beginning to step up in different States that are committing to
be “missionaries” and so they can conduct presentations and inform
other leaders that there is hope and action is required and not sell a book,
For those who look at my TOC on this page http://mobiusstrippress.com/status.html
you could pick for yourself, I have some restrictions that you must agree to
first though. The 4th and final Section is not for free, for this section
you would need to buy the book (Ahh, maybe that’s a marketing plan).
Because I know I provide a level of information and detail that many dare to
tread. Again, I will challenge the readers all their current paradigms
and beliefs, forcing one to think beyond the standard narrative. I think
Mark goes there in some cases and I loved his Men in Black, and believe this is
still his best book yet, having not read his latest book “Liberty Amendments,”
but I am a little busy now.
5th and final posting reply:
Therefore, my invitation for the next couple of months is extended to those
all who are adult enough to contact me via email and engage in reading a
section of my book. In addition, I will also travel to any organized
event for free (within reason and for as long as I can afford to do it) to
speak and present the only way I believe we can save the Republic. If
someone else thinks there is another way and believes we have the time, then I
would listen and likely really challenge and shred their argument, but who
knows a lot of people are smarter then I. I am not looking to do book
tours and signings, I don’t want fans I want warriors, because I do not believe
our nation has the time to fix itself and for me to do tours… therefore, I will
forgo trying to make myself rich at the expense of (how did K-Bob put it “I
pledge my life, and everything I can bring to the table to make sure it succeed”)
losing our Constitution and Republic.
Again, my invitation to all to go to my website and look at the TOC of the
first 3 Sections of my book, send me an email and I’ll forward the Section to
you (providing you give me an objective review) for free. If you want
more you’ll need to but the book.
Finally, I will warn you; this was a 730+ page 6X9 book. It is now 488
pages, but I had to use a smaller font and removed the white space, so the book
will appear heavy with content, because it is. In addition, I did not
write it to a 6th grade reading level, so it may challenge one’s
vernacular. Finally, it was not edited professionally or copyedited,
similar to Thomas Payne’s Common Sense; however, it was proof-read.
Well that was a mouth full; with I’m sure my share of writing hazards
vonmetal GRMobley K-Bob vonmetal, I just posted 5 replies at the top that backups my assertions as to the how(s) and why I know we can reclaim the republic. This is not an agree to disagree issue, our Constitution has evolved as the framers delineated. Not in enumerations but in the powers of the State and republic. I hope this helps provide you and all hope that we have far less to go but we all have to get involved.
I appreciate the opportunity to serve and your supportive comments. You are the sovereign that matters.
Entry in the Congressional Record:Aug 1st, 2013
“POM-120. A communication from citizens of the State of Hawaii petitioning for verification and tabulation of State applications for an Article V Convention; to the Committee on the Judiciary.”
This is now a permanent request to tabulate the applications made for the first time in history.
This is the reply from the Clerk of House to the similar letter I sent to them.
To which I responded:
“Since the letter also reveals that Congress never counted any of the applications that date back to 1789 and as recent as 2013, it is possible that the answer may reveal an ongoing obstruction of a peremptory constitutional process. Because of this I would ask you to officially notify the President and Vice President of the United States, as chief enforcement officers of the Constitution. I believe their awareness of this situation is required.”
looks as everyone is doing them different you have to write to every state legistulor if the states has 10 or 15 each one needs one not to the senator or the house those are fed level
below i have infor if you click on it
GRMobley this group is working on it also http://citizeninitiatives.org/sovereignty_states_rights_amend.htm and on facebook we the people of the united states you can like that page and send request to and work together and that makes smart work if all working together
hope this help
With all due respect, do you believe it is easier to get three-fourths of the States to coalesce in approving new Amendments, or would it be easier to get one-third of the States through “Republic Review” of unconstitutional government to cease and decease; thus shutting down tyranny and excessive and unauthorized spending that is bankrupting America?
Again with all due respect, do you believe that America has the time to reach the point of getting 38 States to acquiesce? The 34 States is achievable to stop and directly fight the Federal tyranny that is causing the fever we are all experiencing and the book I am publishing is now goes into the details of this. However, even if you pass coalesce on one Amendment it still requires ratification by each State separately.
This is precisely why I have taken the opportunity cost to spell out in the “box” for K-Bob and the Republic, to point out the power of the Republic in nullification at the Convention level. BOOM, two-thirds of the unconstitutional government can be eliminated without ratification, and force the general government that if they want a DOE or EPA, that they can produce a Amendment for the States to ratify per Article V.
Unfortunately, I believe most paradigms of a convention limits this appliance of the Republic to strictly proposing Amendments; however, the Convention can also enforce the Constitutional powers of the Republic back onto the general government just as Madison and Jefferson and the framers argued that the State has the power and obligation to rule all unconstitutional roles, responsibilities, and powers null and void.
vonmetal well if you want the government to own you and everything you have you like what is there but if you want to own it it needs fixing casue as it stands there are no states rights we need the Repubic back it it being ran like a corportation now and they can take anything they want including your home your child or anything they chose
JohnCraven no it is to take back the republic there are 300 state legistulators each one has to receive the letter and accept and we need 38 states to ratify to get the states rights back, withour having your right back you have none
USMC 64-68 JohnCravenhttp://citizeninitiatives.org/sovereignty_states_rights_amend.htm
GingerPatin, do you actually comprehend what you are asking 300 state legislators who are controlled by big government party masters in both parties to do?
You are asking puppets of the puppet masters in Washington D. C. where all of these puppets want to eventually be to cut their strings to these puppet masters and receive and accept the letter sent to them authorizing a constitutional convention!
In what universe will they go against the puppet masters who control them? So then what option is left to us to get a constitutional convention going at the state level – the option left is to lawfully take control of the necessary legislatures though the ballot box with 3rd party members or independents who will in fact be committed to accepting the call for a states constitutional convention.
John Craven – New Orleans
JohnCraven Thankfully Congress has the choice to ratify through state legislatures or through state ratification conventions too.
I believe the national Convention should respectfully request ratification via state conventions.
Mark Levin: Please send this link to everyone on your email list!http://citadelcc.vo.llnwd.net/o29/network/Levin/hosted_files/LibertyAmendmentsCh1.pdf
The government has spam filters if you write anything about Tea Party, Mark Levin, and several other keywords are filtered by government email system. Because diabolical tactics you have to talk to them on phone or in public. Even state legislators’ email is filtered without their knowledge. I sent a summary email about Mark Levin asking simple question if they were interested or have seen the show? The email never gets to them if you use keywords. As soon as you don’t use conservative topics it gets to them without an issue. Of course that is not provable the state and federal government just run a spam filter trashing your message even before it goes on the email server. Many state legislators are open to hear this because Mark’s ideas actually give them a lot more power.
Don’t watch FOX either! One the biggest owners is a Muslim Saudi Prince who has given money to the Ground Zero Mosque!
7% is a minor owner
Please. Don’t confuse him with the facts. “Thinking is the hardest work there is, which is the probable reason why so few engage in it. ” (Henry Ford)
Sorry, Fox rocks, you want to know what is going on, watch Fox, because at least, you will get the major drift, on what is going on, in America today….Thank God, because now, we are aware of the scandals, which the liberal left wing nut cases, are hiding……
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