one of the biggest weapons we have in the general election is obamacare...if we were playing chess, we started the game without the queen...romney is the wrong person for this election.
Now...wait. According to Santorum and some people on this site, Fox is pulling for Romney. Curse you Megyn for propping up Romney and pushing for him !! I think that's complete BS.
This is why I don’t trust him. He hasn’t sufficiently explain his flip-flops for me and there’s no guarantee he won’t flip-flop again.
And there are so many. He was asked once about why he changed his opionion on a certain matter, and he actually responded that it was because he was running for office. We cannot trust that he means what he says and if what he says is what he now actually believes. Is it lip service or genuine? I'd rather not risk it and go with lip service.
Romney will guarantee an Obama second term as sure as he guaranteed Senator Kennedy's reelection back in Massachusetts because when the choice is between a liberal and a moderate...voters elect the 'real thing' over the 'imitation-light'.
On another issue, Santorum directly answered a question in Puerto Rico today, "Would you support Puerto Rico being admitted as the 51st State if it designates both English and Spanish as official languages?" Santorum's answer was that Puerto Rico, like Hawaii, would have to designate English as the official language. Has Mitt taken a position about this? Has the position changed? Is his high-powered team polling the question now to determine which answer would likely produce the highest number of delegates? I'm starting to think that Mitt and John Kerry were separated at birth.
Who can't go back and find contradicting positions on every politician, Newt supported the individual mandate, Cato Institute supported the individual mandate... and a state law compared to federal law is like apple and oranges.
Why does conservative media have to be so stupid, Obama's biggest support are from gays, behind all the A list celebrities are top gay agents from CAA who push Hollywood to support liberal politicians, Obama's official position on gay marriage is he's against it, why is that not a disqualifier because who has gays serving openly in the military now, who has Aids taken off immigration visas and dozen other federal mandates he's done behind the scenes... who campigned as a moderate even conservative on some issues and was really a hardcore liberal and still pretends to the public he's moderate and everyone else are ideologues.
Tried of conservative pundits trying gin up angst in the republican primary, it's like they want Obama to win another 4 years, easier to criticize then defend, better rating too, who cares about what the country will look like in 4 years, when America is forced to have a VAT tax because Obamcare cost tripled in just 3 years ( unexpectedly) and bondholders force a debt crisis.
Now, with all you just described in your first paragraph, put that candidate up against Barack Obama, and do you know what he's going to say?
"Why are you railing against me, when you did the same thing? You called for individual mandates (or) you were the inspiration for ObamaCare!"
THIS is the crux of the issue, and what I DON'T UNDERSTAND is why some people can be so blinded by their own loyalty for a candidate that they will go out of their way to overlook these obvious flaws in defense!
Who cares if it was a state issue or a federal issue?? In BOTH instances it has been an abject failure. And one candidate, a liberal from MA, still DEFENDS IT!
The Problem with Romneycare
Mitt Romney's Advice For ObamaCare: Look At RomneyCare
And Rommey can easily say what is done in a state as liberal as Massachusetts doesn't have any relevancy to forcing the other 49 other states to live by, besides arguing all the different mandates in the laws, and the outright manpulation democrats used to hide the true costs , costs America can't afford.
Massachusetts allows Gay Marriage doesn't mean Rommey is going to repeal the Defense of Marriage Act, would every states want to by laws enacted in California.
The Constitutional argument, the federal law of a individual mandate, just being born an American you are forced to by a product, and a state laws you have the ability to move to the other 49 states if you don't want to live under them.
What people don't seem to understand is Rommey will ruled by outside conservatives groups and the republicans in congress , unless he doesn't want to get reelected, think of the Supreme Court , one more of Obama's nominee on the court, it moves from moderate / conservative to outright liberal... then see how you like living under liberal government, liberal Supreme Court...
Conservative are f-- dumb, they nickel and dime the small stuff while liberals are looking at fundamental change.
This is a link to AG Pam Bondi saying that Romney will only tweak Obamacare. This started it and is why many voters don't trust him. He should come out, right at the beginning of questioning, that he will "fully repeal" Obamacare. He should stop defending Romneycare and stop defending mandates.
Why not play the entire interview? I am not saying anything is taken out of context but Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum both get their full speeches and interviews put up on this blog. Meanwhile Romney only gets bad things about him put up. Yes Rightscoop has the right to put up anything they want but why not tell the whole story?
Once you nationalize health insurance and care, premium and health care goes up and quality of care goes down. This has been proven time and time again look at this clip and see where your future leads with Obama and Romney Care:
Take note this is one of Canada's left wing and lunatic newspaper, so this is not some conservative blown out of proportion story. This incident happened few times before and besides this is only one among many shameful incidents, with time honored solution - more studies and reviews. Until now, none has been done in making sure this will not be repeated, contrary to what the newspaper claimed.
It would be different if he said he shouldn't have done it, it's not working etc. But not only will he not do that, he's even said he is not going to repeal all of Obamacare. That is why 70% of conservatives are not voting for him.
I'd love to see a full 1/2 hour of Megyn grilling Mittens with tough questions. I doubt he'd survive it.
Plus, he flat out said that he never supported a federal mandate and it's been shown that he did by telling Obama to copy Romneycare!
Not exactly. His advise to Obama was to use the same methods he used to pass Romneycare. He wasn't talking about copying Romneycare. He was referring to getting bipartisan support for the bill, as was done in Massachusetts, before trying to pass it. That would have required compromise and would have allowed Republicans to have input on the bill.
As for Romney's support for a "federal mandate", that is not exactly true either. If people would bother to check the whole transcript of the ABC debate, they would find out that Romney is asked again about mandates and he clarifies his position. You can find the transcript near the bottom of the article here: http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/03/mitt-romneys-fiesty-interview-on-fox-news/
Here is the relevant part where Romney makes it clear that he would NOT mandate at the federal level. Earlier, when discussing mandates, he was thinking about mandates at the state level not the federal level as the following makes clear:
"GIBSON: In your plan, would you mandate…
ROMNEY: I would not mandate at the federal level that every state do what we do. But what I would say at the federal level is, “We’ll keep giving you these special payments we make if you adopt plans that get everybody insured.” I want to get everybody insured."
You're right, he doesn't want a federal mandate. He wants a state level mandate. He's proud of Romneycare. He gave Ted Kennedy a big wet kiss for helping him get it passed. He said we will be required to have our own insurance or we'll have to be on the state's plan, but one way or another, we will be mandated to have it. Federal or state, both are bad. People need to quit kidding themselves, Romney is a progressive in conservative clothing.
I know what a mandate is. All those programs you mentioned are a good example of why we should not
have any more government involvement in healthcare. They are all chock full of fraud and waste, and are bankrupt. Just because there are mandated things in this country does not mean those things are good or effective. I’m not for anything being mandated, so telling me that there are already mandates isn’t going to win me over to your argument.
A healthcare mandate and more regulation of private insurers will force everyone off their private insurance eventually, just like Obamacare already has started to do. Private insurers will be forced to cover everyone for everything, and that added cost will be passed on to the insured by increased premiums. This has already happened to me and millions of people after Obamacare was passed. Sooner or later you run out of insurance companies in your state to cover you at a cost you can afford. Most states only have a handful of insurance companies from which people are allowed to choose, so once you run out of an affordable choice among them, it’s onto the state plan. When you get to the point of an extremely high deductible and and high premium there is no reason to have the private insurance. And eventually private insurers will go out of business because their high premiums will lose business. Obama told everyone they could keep their own insurance and have choices just like Romney is saying, but we’re finding out that isn’t the case at all.
The less the government is involved, the more free markets are allowed to work, but you just don’t seem to accept that premise. I bet you are one of those people who says “there ought to be a law” every time you perceive an injustice in the world.
Go ahead, take a poll on this blog and see how many people agree with you that Romney’s healthcare idea is a good one. Ask everyone if they believe Romney that we’ll be able to keep our own insurance. I don't think you will get the answer you want.
Mandates are not the same as government run healthcare. It just means you're required to have insurance from somewhere. Children are mandated to go to school in America but they still have a choice of public, private, or being homeschooled. To say that Romney wants to "FORCE us into a government run healthcare system at state level" is untrue. His plan is centered around private insurance.
As for your plan, you say you have "No plan. No government involved. Private insurance and free markets. Period." If government is not involved at all in your plan, then there would be no Medicare, no Medicaid, no CHIP program for children, no COBRA insurance when people lose their jobs, no regulations, and no safeguards against fraud. If you get sick, your insurance company could drop you before your bills come due to save money. Why wouldn't they if there are no regulations. Try running for office on that plan. I really don't think you have thought it through. There's a reason no candidates have proposed your plan. They know that no one (but you) would vote for them.
Don't use the word 'conservative' like Pavlov's Law. It's not a bell you can ring and people will listen to you because you put the word 'conservative' in front of it, like Mittens is trying to do. I don't support a mandated healthcare plan or any alternative 'plan'. What's my "true conservative" plan you ask? No plan. No government involved. Private insurance and free markets. Period. Even Romney was caught saying there is already a safety net for the poor, which there is, even though he backpedalled on it. Like everything else he's said.
Romney doesn't want to "encourage" people to be self sufficient. He wants to FORCE us into a government run healthcare system at state level. His goal is all 50 states. How's that working out for Massachusetts? How is government healthcare working out for the UK and Canada? Very grim from what I've read in their newspapers. Two year waiting lists for standard tests and procedures. If we had that system here now, my family members who have cancer would likely be dead.
Mandated healthcare is about controlling us, not about the government giving a damn about it's citizens. Everyone will be covered with a mandate, but the quality of care is going to go way down and the cost is going to skyrocket, just like it did in Mass. The idea that a mandate is going to control cost is a myth. Obamacare is now going to cost double what they said previously. Gee, big surprise! How is that going to be different at a state level with Romney's plan? I live in a liberal state, so I will be stuck with it, and moving isn't an option.
Private insurance companies should be able to cross state lines, there needs to be more competition. How about some serious tort reform? But no one in congress will stand up to the lawyers who decry that. How about slashing all the fraud and waste in the healthcare system-especially Medicaid and Medicare? How about stopping the illegal immigration which is putting a huge strain on the system? Oh no, can't do that, everyone wants the hispanics to vote for their party so we don't want to piss them off. If congress can't get those reforms done, how is a mandated healthcare system going to be different? You can look to our congress and government intervention for why our healthcare system is shambles in the first place, and you want them to be in charge of a mandated system? Look at all the government programs, particularly Medicaid, that we have now that they've run into the ditch. No thanks!
And just where do you draw the line at where the state can tell you what to do? They have way more power now than they should. It needs to stop. I have ZERO confidence for a state or federal government to manage anything properly. I do not want them near my healthcare.
When you say we already pay mandated taxes for things already, well, that's the big problem in this country, isn't it? By your logic, because we already pay mandated taxes, it's okay if the government piles on more for yet another government run program? In this election, people need to decide if they want to slide into a full blown socialist state or get back to the constitution and get the government out of our lives. Romney is on the socialist side. Romneycare is just swapping one bad system for another. People in this country don't have a problem helping the poor. They're more than willing to pay their fair share, it's just that they already see the government misusing their tax dollars as it is. Why give them more hard earned money to waste and more power to wield over us? Free markets would help the healthcare problem if they were allowed to work without government intervention.
The scary thing about people who support Romney is that they actually believe what he is saying. That's worked out really well with the last candidate everyone believed.
It's easy to criticize someone else's healthcare plan. But what's yours? What do you consider to be the "true conservative" healthcare plan? I haven't heard anyone propose one, yet. That's because there is no clear answer. When someone decides not to buy insurance, and they or their children get cancer and can't afford to pay for the treatments, what is the conservative thing to do? Do you let them die? Or do ask others to help them pay for the treatments? If your plan helps them, then it becomes a hidden mandate that requires citizens to pay for others who choose to be irresponsible. That is what we have now. About 60 million people receive medicaid because they don't have insurance and can't afford medical care. Guess who pays for that? It's an additional charge to the taxpayer. And taxes ARE mandates in case you haven't noticed. At least Romney wants to encourage people to be self sufficient rather than depend on government to bail them out. He wants states to decide, not the federal government. So if the majority of your state doesn't want it, you don't have to have it. What could be more conservative than that?
Romney reminds me of a puppet, I just invision Emperor Palpatine from Star Wars talking in his head..."give in to the dark side...yes jobs, and economy..hagagaha....Inevitable win...gahah...this will win them pathetic fools," Meanwhile Rick Perry is in the saloon on Tatooine with Chewbaccaa...
let me speak slowly so you can understand this...he won't flop again because obamacare is already twice as expensive as originally thought so he has to repeal it if there is any hope to fix the spending problem in washington. how many times does he have to say it?
every one of these guys have flopped on issues and you are just choosing to make romney's bigger because the obama media elite want you to. try thinking for yourself for once. why in the world would any president but obama try to keep obamacare that is going to be more and more unpopular as the cost grows?
Like Obama, Romney has a record, and also Like Obama, it's a very liberal record, yet he expects us to simply forget his liberal record and accept that he is a conservative, because he says so while campaigning for votes! It is both astonishing and madding to see the many voters in this country, once again ignoring a candidate's record and ideology... like they did with Obama.
What is wrong with all of you people? Why is Megyn kelly pushing him on this.
Flip Romney will (not) repeal obamacare.
He's clear on this.
Flip Romney does (not) like mandates.
What's there to wonder about?
Flip Romney will (not) nationalize healthcare.
What's with the double speak folks?
It's pretty clear that Flip Romney is (severely) consurvative.
This is yet another reason why no one trusts Romney. I live in MA and the company I work for has had huge increases in premiums. Three years ago it was over 30%. Obamacare is going to make it even worse.
Does anyone trust Romney to repeal Obamacare considering he authorized it in MA? The MA legislature would have voted for it, Mitt should have used his veto pen and let them push it through, rather than promote it. I'ts not worth defending and or promoting I'm sorry but a 26 year old is not a child. I had a full time job at the age of 19, that was my third job, one was as a 6 or 8 month temp job at a bank. 26 year olds are not children except to their parents.
Romney: I know the term "establishment" frightens some people, but there are some great conservative leaders [in the establishment]
If there are, they have lost their testicles somewhere they are even afraid to reflect a shadow. Whatever solution they know is "Pass it on to the next generation".
Thatcher said she was unable to right the ship of Britain in the way Reagan righted the ship of America because of Socialized Medicine. Whether it's a Democrat or a Republican, control is the name of the game, and Socialized Medicine is at it's heart.
Romney is Obama as it applies to Socialized Medicine. Socialized Medicine is the tool needed to take America down.
Newt First - Santorum Second - Romney only under duress.
Megan question implies that Romney backed the individual mandates for Romney care. Well, he developed, implemented the law, and created the individual mandate as a part of the law which is why the health care law is coined, “ Romney care”. This socialist program was not something that was implemented by another Governor nor used by other States around the country. It is Romney’s signature policy and this is one reason that I do not understand why many of States suing the Federal Government over Obama care, specifically the Individual mandate, are some of the same States backing or supporting Romney. And I say shame on the Governors of Florida, Virginia, Arizona, and South Carolina just to name a few off the top of my head. No one believes Romney but he managed to pull the wool over the eyes of these supposedly astute politicians. Shame on them! Santorum was right to call out Fox news, not Greta or Sean, on their hypocrisy for not calling out Romney on this socialist health care law when the rest of the country found out what is really was and that Obamacare is Romneycare. .
She should have crammed his 2009 OP-Ed down his throat. He's a lying dog.
Ultimately, it doesn't matter if he has had a change of heart about it. He is on record so often, even in recent years, advocating for mandates that the debate with the Dems about it would be lost before the battle was even joined.
Nominate Mitt, Obamneycare is here to stay. Can't have your Mitt and your Repeal too, folks.
When a candidate for office takes a strong stand on any issue, and backs up that strong stand with a solid explanation without notes or a teleprompter, it is usually based on well-established principles. Whether you agree with that person's principles is up to you.
On the other hand, if a candidate is consistent in their inability to explain the justification for taking a certain stand and, instead, stammers, hems and haws, changes the subject or just plain shuts down the person asking the question, you can bet there is no basis in principle.
I look for a candidate with strong principles and the courage to defend those principles to anyone who questions them. Romney fails the test miserably.
Mitt Romney tells people that they didn't see what they saw, that they didn't watch what they watched, that he didn't do what he did and that he didn't say what he said.
Who are you going to believe, Mitt Romney or your eyes and ears?.
Slick Willard, and his sycophants, are not Conservatives. His natural instincts are towards socialism and collectivism. He may claim that socialist medicine isn't good for the country, nationally, but he also stated that it would be good for individual states to inflict upon their populations. He, and his leftist apparatchiks, came up with this socialist medicine plan, because, to them, it was a good thing. They still believe that mandates are great, as long as they maintain enough political distance between themselves, and it, just with the magic phrase 'not at a national level'. RomneyCare is socialist, plain and simple, and it shouldn't surprise anyone that its the 'brain' child of a 'man' that hated [and still hates] Conservatism, Conservatives, and especially Ronaldus Magnus. His natural impulse and instinct is to work with the political, social and fiscal left to craft laws that take away peoples' freedoms, and his absolutely abysmal medical plan is proof. Many claim that they like it, but let's also not forget that Massachusetts is a leftist anus, smack dab in the middle of the national gluteus maximus. Of course they'll love it, just as I'm sure they love ObamaCare. This, and his anti-capitalist 'fiscal' plan [with so many points, I'll bet he couldn't name more than a handful of them, if pressed] are also proof that he, a draft-dodging, used snake oil salesman, is still every bit the leftist, freedom-hating, Constitution-hating, lying, leftist he's always been. No wonder he's so in love with gay marriage; he and Rumpelstiltskin Ron Paul are made for each other.
I also love how Megyn, after realizing he wasn't doing anything more than stammering and stuttering to run out the clock, shut him up, and shut him down.
This is the main reason I will never trust Mitt Romney. He will do this time and time again.
It's great the Megyn Kelley did this. Wish the other Fox people would hold him to account.