More Democrats ready to raise taxes on every American for the sake of class warfare ideology

This is the lion’s den I mentioned earlier. The Democrats clearly have a strategy to beat Republicans into submission for the sake of their socialist ideology, and they will sacrifice the American people to do it:

POLITICO – Call them the cliff jumpers.

A growing bloc of emboldened liberals say they’re not afraid to watch defense spending get gouged and taxes go up on every American if a budget deal doesn’t satisfy their priorities.

Here’s what these progressives fear: an agreement that keeps lower tax rates for the wealthy, hits the social safety net with unpalatable cuts and leaves Pentagon spending unscathed. In other words, they’d rather walk the country off the cliff than watch President Barack Obama cave on long-held liberal priorities.

“If the Republicans can’t see their way to significant additional revenues targeted toward the people who are best off and targeted toward passive income and other things like that, then we’re better off going over the cliff and readdressing this with a better Congress in January,” Rep. Peter DeFazio (D-Ore.) said. “And we would have plenty of time to fix it.”

Bolstering the Democrats’ strategy is the belief that the “fiscal cliff” is actually shaped more like a “slope” where the economic effects will be felt gradually, not immediately. That theory gives Congress some time at the beginning of 2013 to set tax rates and configure budget cuts in a different political environment and with a new class of lawmakers.

But underlying the tough talk is also a sense of liberal angst — the left feels like it was burned by the last extension of the Bush tax rates and didn’t get much of what it wanted in the 2011 debt-limit deal.

If tax rates snap back to the higher levels from the 1990s and painful budget cuts start to hit the Pentagon, these Democrats — led by Washington Sen. Patty Murray — believe they would wield more leverage over the GOP to enact a budget compromise on their terms. And with a January deal, Republicans would technically avoid violating the no-new-taxes pledge that most of them have signed because they would then be voting to cut taxes.

Republicans would most likely bear most of the public blame if policymakers deadlock. The Pew Research Center found that 53 percent of Americans would fault GOP lawmakers if Washington fails to avert the fiscal cliff; only 29 percent would point the finger at Obama.

“This is very, very important that we hang in there to essentially get the revenue component,” said Rep. Peter Welch (D-Vt.). “I favor an agreement before Jan. 1, but I’m skeptical that our leadership may be able to reach one. If it’s necessary to wait to get a good deal, let’s do that.”


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  • Don

    The socialists/dimorats can raise as many taxes as they want to and blame the RINOs for doing it. The liberals think they can exploit the ignorance of the American people because they are so much smarter than the American people. Celebrity trumps intelligence everytime, doesn’t it?

    • Appearantly it does. Remember what happened on the 6th?

    • cabensg

      Without a sycophant liberal media half the people who voted for Obama wouldn’t have. Do you really think religious Latino voters and entrepreneurial Asians would have voted for Obama if they knew the truth about him?

      The Main Stream Media is the enemy of liberty in America it’s time to bring them to account.

      • Orangeone

        If they voted for him it is because of their laziness. Watching that arrogant person for 30 seconds leads any half-intelligent individual to conclude he is a liar.

      • warpmine

        ….and the other half would be living in their home countries.

  • Is it time for the pitch forks and torches yet? Mine are on stand by.

    • virginiagentleman1

      Milady, I have watched both of the videos you made and posted on youtube.

      May I politely say, YOU ROCK MOMMA!

      You have captured what I feel to be the primary reason our beloved Republic is falling into a socialist regime, the removal of GOD from America by minority groups such as the atheists, and with help from our own courts and politicians!

      You better bet I’ve got my pitchfork tines sharpened! I’ve also got a manure fork for the politicians and the $H!T they spew so freely! VG

      • LOL! I LOVE seeing myVirginiaGentleman fired up! If I rock, it’s only because of my favorite people inspiring me. xxoxox My pitchfork is sharp too 😉

        Thank you my dear friend!

    • warpmine

      more like guns and rockets…glaring red rockets and fmj lead projectiles.

  • sDee

    Does anyone else remember the barter systems that developed in Carter’s four short miserable years? This time they are artificially holding interest rates low, but when they start going up along with inflation and taxes, the sh’t will hit the fan.

    In Carter’s day there was no WWW. Imagine the underground economy that will flourish with web-based bartering. Unleash the entrepreneurs.

    • They will kill that too. Perhaps Comcast will need a bailout. They already own MSLSD

  • DavidRobertson

    Republicans need to learn the same lesson the rest of the world needs to learn about terrorists. You don’t negotiate with them, you beat them. The Progressive religion is a big government utopia. They will sacrifice anything at the alter of it. They do not care. You have to beat them. You can’t assume they care as much as you do about the american people.

    • RINOs will do nothing; they had promised not to sue democRats;
      they are slowly joining them…..:(

      • They aren’t slowly joining them. They already did a long time ago. Final culmination of proof November 6, 2012 election.

      • DavidRobertson

        You are so right. I just keep forgetting because they are my only vehicle to push conservatism. Wish there were a new party.

        • Orangeone

          My ScoopSis, AmericanBorninCanada, might you reply with links for this great fellow?

        • pajamakat

          Agree Dave. It’s time for a third party. We need it. Wishing isn’t going to help but how DO we start a third party? The RINOS would never let this happen.

          • DavidRobertson

            The inherent problem is not easy to overcome. Political parties need lots and lots of money. They only get money if they are seen as possible winners of elected office. That money buys influence. While I believe conservative ideology is a winning philosophy, it would not (nor would any other 3rd party) win in what has been a major 2 party system. The vote count would be swallowed up by the Republicans and Democrats. Realistically only leaving about 20% at best for the conservatives IMO.
            The Tea Party has it right. It has to be a hostile takeover of the Republican Party. I think that is happening slowly. Unfortunately, for those of us that care, not fast enough. I also think that the rate of decline in this country demands that it happen at a faster pace…and I think that is where we all feel the most frustration. Then (as if that isn’t bad enough) we have the establishment at the top making rules around leadership positions and power to fend off the conservative wave. It’s like playing monopoly with the most dishonest guy as the banker.

  • Sober_Thinking

    It’s a SPENDING problem, not a revenue problem. My cat even understands that.

    • Your cat is smarter then most people judging from the election results. Perhaps we shout start the feral party.

    • Orangeone

      I’m beginning to think we all have wise felines in our families 🙂

  • Rightstuff1

    I cannot ask the GOP to vote for principles – that wont happen. They, unfortunately only speak the language of political expediency. So, let the taxes go up. The GOP should adopt a folded arms approach. No compromise with the Communists. Slope vs cliff ? We are going into the toilet as an economy anyway and the Left is to blame.

    What the GOP needs to understand is that raising taxes will not get them any votes from those who voted for Obama and will only hurt the economy. Its that simple.

    They MUST also understand that whatever happens the Left controlled media will blame the GOP for whatever it wants, it matters not if there is a shred of evidence to the claims or not. You might as well be hung for a sheep as for a lamb – go to it!!

  • Sandra123456

    If I hounded my employer for more of his money for doing the same lousy job I would be fired.

    But that is the problem isn’t it? All our “electeds” don’t think they are our employees, but instead think they are our masters, better than us, smarter than us. Gotta change their thinking somehow. …Suggestions?

    • Rightstuff1

      Right on the money Sandra – spot on.

      Suggestions? Well, we cannot stop this train wreck from happening. It will happen either super fast or just quickly. The economic armageddon is approaching with no hope of avoidance so I say let it go right over the cliff. The sooner it crashes the faster we can end this nightmare and then re-construction can begin. Only after a collapse can the parasitical Left be exposed for what they are – an economic and social cancer.

    • Our “electeds” are doing what they were voted in to do for the most part. At least, they think so. That’s the problem. Culture needs to change. When people can’t pay there cell bill because they need a loaf of bread is when things might change. That will come sooner then later.

    • cabensg

      The problem is they have to many stupid employers. Another problem is none of our employees know how to communicate. It’s all about platitudes and I’ll go to Washington and create jobs. We have a majority of stupid lazy employers who hire stupid lazy employees who don’t know how to communicate. Solution, fight the lying cheerleaders of the really stupid liberal employees. Until we bring the press back to some semblance of honesty we’ll have a majority of stupid employers and really stupid employees. When freedom of the press becomes freedom from the truth it’s time to make them pay the price. If you don’t watch their news show anymore, let them know. If you won’t support advertisers who support the news shows, let them know. Just tuning out isn’t working as fast as we need it to. Lower viewership didn’t educate the morons who still watch them. If we don’t make a concerted effort to make the press accountable for their lies the next election will look like this one because none of our candidates know how to communicate.

      The Main Stream Media is the enemy of liberty in America and it’s time to make them pay for their treason against our country.

      • Sandra123456

        The frustrating thing now with the MSM is they don’t care about profits. MSNBC has no audience (less than 1% of America watches), but they’ve been around for 16 years. (NBC mothership keeps them afloat I guess.) Same with CNN. Supposedly international ad sales float their boat.

        I get so frustrated also with low information voters that don’t follow politics like I do, but if they do pay any attention in passing to news they are probably hearing false information. So what to do? …? face/palm

    • Go to the Foxx open thread Sandra.. Scroll about half way down to see the links I posted.
      Some of us are laying out a plan, and we need folks to join us.

    • tinlizzieowner

      I wish this was something new but it isn’t.
      “To become the master, the politician poses as the servant”.
      Charles DeGaulle
      There’s only one solution, term limits. Get rid of every ‘politician-for-life’ on both sides of the aisle. Make the lobbyists have to bribe a new one every 8 years.

  • US Socialist party at the helm now? “Payback time”?
    “Swindling” does not mean “winning”.

  • WhiteGuy2

    Let it collapse! GOP seems to be out maneuvered at every turn. You will be blamed for everything no matter what you do. You are incapable of deflecting this irrational blame/hate. So, let it crash and burn, we will rebuild it with or without you.

    • WordsFailMe

      What a terrible thing- to be blamed.

      Tell Obama to stick it, Republicans, Pull up your pants and tell the dems to stick it! Let the lib scum figure out how to defend their wars in Afghanistan and Libya. We Americans can take core of our selves at home just fine. Let the welfare generations squeeze some other fat pig for a while. Send the moronic buck mfers to college on the cuff and let them suck slop from the Obama trough. Do not lift a hand to assit this slime.

      • I’ve missed you Words!! It’s good to see you!

        • WordsFailMe

          Trying to keep my Blood pressure under control LOL

          Nice to hear from you…I am still keeping tabs…

          • I’m glad 🙂 I like it when you keep tabs! I know the feeling on the blood pressure, but what we’ve started now, it’s brought mine down some… you need to help! It’ll help yours too! 🙂

    • Orangeone

      The GOP allows themselves to be outmaneuvered. They want socialism as much as the Democrats, just don’t want to be held responsible for it. They don’t want to campaign every 2 or 6 years, want permanent domination.

      I say let this country go off the fiscal cliff. Those of us prepared will survive and the Obamabots will go after the Holliweirdos and Buffets for $$$

  • Stehekin912

    Interesting perspective from Patty Murray, Senator from WA (link is to Slate, a Dem blog):

    • sDee

      “If middle class families start seeing some money coming out of their paychecks next year, are Republicans really going to stand up and fight for new tax cuts for the rich? Are they going to continue opposing the Democrat’s middle class tax cut once the slate is wiped clean?”

      Pretty much sums it up for the elephants? Just block more borrowing and debt ceiling increases, then dump these massive tax hikes in the socialists lap and stand back.

      • WordsFailMe

        If you can’t join ’em, fight ’em! Throw the bomb! Pull the pin! Let’s do this thing whatever it is!

        I picture the Republicans clutching their purses to their breasts and voting with the minority.

  • Rshill7

    In other words democrats can do whatever they want and the republicans can get blamed for everything they do or don’t do, because the media is their extended staff which is only capable of beating one side.

    So what else is new?

    Throw the republicans to the lions and if some Christians get eaten, all the better. Lions love Christians. They are hors d’oeuvres. Mutton.

    • Pretty much how it works. I’ve heard the meek shall inherit the earth, but it sure sucks in the mean time.

      • Rshill7

        In the original Greek the word for ‘meek’ means ‘power with restraint’.

        I am not seeing the power. I am only seeing straight-jacketed restraint.

        The republicans in DC are confusing the word meek with the word weak.

        • I was thinking more along the lines of we the people then DC republicans. I’ve shown a hell of a lot of restraint and they really don’t want see us fully release our power. Still clinging.

        • colliemum

          I’m seeing doormats, or wives who’ve been in an abusive relationship for so long they cannot even will themselves to think of an alternative.

  • stage9

    Even in the majority they’re still cowards.

  • Give them what they want then. They won’t escape the hangman’s noose.

  • jleinf

    Cut the size of government 25% and convert to a flat tax. Any tax rate over 25% is stealing.

  • SirSullivan

    Everyone keeps talking taxes, taxes, taxes. OK, we didn’t win the election so there will probably have to be some kind of compromise. (Not that I want it.) But what the republicans need to do now is tell the Democrats that they’re willing to talk but they want to see what spending cuts are on the table. Let’s make them play the cards in their hand.

    I’m afraid that the Republicans are going to give in and get nothing in return.

  • Bunjy

    Vote present. Let the Dems own everything. And, I do mean everything. No obstruction, but no complicity either.

  • E. Lee Zimmerman

    Elections have consequences. This is one of them. Nada we can do about it due to the fact that we’ve elected a bunch of Republican turncoats.

  • colliemum

    In the end – does it matter? The taxes will rise, the middle classes (that’s those who work and pay taxes, not those claimed to be represented by the Union thugs) will get squeezed and squeezed until the pips squeak. The really rich will be ok, because the aim of the top socialists is to become filthy rich themselves, governing over the hordes of unproductive adorers and productive slaves.

    It’s going to be like the SU under Stalin: the superrich Nomenklatura on top, some willing helpers dangling over the abyss, albeit in some sort of ‘luxury’, and the rest in the abyss. The only difference is that they top will be far more sophisticated, while the rest ill be far more illiterate and uneducated than in the former SU.

    I’m coming to the point where I say – a total crash of the whole world economy is the only way out, and I’d counsel everyone under 65 to prepare for that: become self-sufficient, learn skills not just for plain survival but also for trades like building, agriculture, husbandry, making of clothes etc.

    Sorry to be so glum, but the whole thing looks more and more as if the children have taken over and the adults have left.

    • Glum yes, but grounded in reality mum.

    • Constance

      I agree with you on the self sufficiency. I’ve been doing that for a couple of decades now. I’ve taught myself a great deal, including sewing and eating what I can grow in my little patch of earth. It isn’t much, but it’s something. I’ve got the emergency stash of food, water and supplies. I’ve got the weapons and know how to use them. Now, I’m teaching myself home repair – yikes. Never thought I would pick up a tool and know how to use it, but I’m working on it! It’s kind of fun, really. I repaired my garbage disposal! Weeeee!!

  • Susitna

    I don’t know about you, but I cannot stand this picture of Obama laughing like a baboon, especially now as he is planning to take over the 401 (k) plan.

  • anneinarkansas

    Our Way or the Highway, America. Take it or leave it.
    Sooner or later it may boomerang on their sneering faces.
    One can hope anyway.

  • johnos2112

    Peter Welch you are an idiot! The revenue raised will not help at all. Not even close! All it will do is retard private sector growth.

  • sjmom

    I have no doubt right about now the Dems are licking their chops even more than they did last Thurs smelling the turkey roasting in the oven. Raising taxes, making the American people miserable and spending, spending, spending is what they live for. Someone should send them to Spenders Anonymous as a Christmas gift to all of us. Who wants to chip in??

  • DCGere

    “….and readdressing this with a better Congress in January,” I beg to differ.
    “And we would have plenty of time to fix it.” Too late fool. Seen the debt clock lately?

  • colliemum

    Having thought a bit more about this, I think all this stuff about taxes and “The Rich” is nothing more than blatant class warfare – because they know and we know that no amount of taxes will ever get the debt down or will decrease the deficit.
    After all, they ‘own’ the printing presses and can print money to their hearts’ content, so why not go down that road.

    This is going on all over the world. The only beneficiaries are the neo-feudal class and their bureaucratic servants. These people, the Obamas, Camerons, Hollandes and the rest of them have more in common with each other than each with their own people.

    In the end, we’ll all be like Greece, where those employed by the government – and paid for by us – get the perks, don’t pay taxes, get the inflation-proof pensions – while the rest of us pay and work and get impoverished more and more.

    Sadly, there are far too many ill educated and plainly illiterate people who don’t care as long as they have their Obamaphones, food stamps and TVs blaring in every room.

    Pitchforks, spades, ropes – I’m all for it, but will there be enough people to stand up and fight?

  • You know what, let them. Let them reaise everything. To all those people who voted for Obama, no pain, no gain. Let them feel what it’s like being on the receiving end of Obama’s economic policies. Why should only party of this country pick up the tab for the 47% of people who demand a check every month for something? Obama is so very much into “fairness,” well then let the Obama voters experience what real fairness is. Let’s all go off the cliff together. After all, it’s the “fair” thing to do.

  • Conservator1

    Listening, reading and watching many Republican leaders since the election has lead me to believe they will acquiesce to Obama and Democrats in Congress. The GOP cave-in is rapidly approaching and I hope it will occur in December. If not, the damage will be far greater to America if sequestration, aka going over the cliff, isn’t stopped.

    Republicans are far to weak to stand the heat from leftist MSM. Heaven forbid if they are labeled obstructionists or cow towing to the rich. Far to many of them will be more concern about the next election than supporting the economic plans they had been touting during the campaign season. And it will only get worse for conservatives on a host of issues.

  • Constance

    The GOP has no intention of doing anything other than capitulating and siding with the democrats. I firmly believe this. I have no faith whatsoever in Boehner, McConnell, or any of the other twits supposedly on “our” side. They lie, they make deals behind the scenes, they bend and twist in the wind to screw us over… then they make speeches trying to sound all tough and conservative. Rubbish. Taxes are going up, no cuts will be made, and our country will sink into utter destruction. Remember this the next time one of these morons asks you for your continued vote, or the RNC sends you an email or letter asking for donations. They are not representing us, folks.

    • c4pfan

      A clue was what happened since 2010! Cave, cave, cave! It’s always some excuse of , ‘wait until this election’ crap!

  • NJK

    The GOP is finished. They won’t win another election because the left will never vote for them, and those that did vote for them, are leaving them. Boehner, McConnell, Cantor, and the rest are door mats. No one respects them. I’ll never vote for them again. If it’s a true American, who understands and respects the Constitution, I will, but if they nominate someone like Jeb Bush, they won’t win. Then they’ll blame American citizens for their loss.

  • hbnolikeee

    Another option is to give the democrats every stupid thing they ask for with the caveat this is wrong and will cause the country to fail quicker than it already is. However the GOP will not be called obstructionist and blamed for it when it all hits the fan and the democrats will 100% have ownership of their stupidity.

    This will put the GOP in a great position to take the Senate showing in clear terms by demonstration what are the results of democratic ignorance and that what needs to be done is to throw them all the heck out of control and regain control of two of three branches of government.

  • c4pfan

    Obviously class warfare works!

  • Yazz55

    Raising taxes & cutting military spending…
    And they can make it happen by just doing nothing!

    Its a

    commie – socialist – liberal extremist – statist

    dream come true!

  • humptydumpty

    If the Dems are arrogant enough to raise taxes on everyone in this Country? We can bet there will be no savings, and the dems will spend even more money without paying off any of our debit! The dems can also bet the American people will vote them out of office in 2014 and 2016. The American people will be so pissed that even Bozo the Clown will defeat any sitting dem who holds office!

    As Clint Eastwood said. Go ahead, make my day!!

  • In others words it doesn’t matter. Taxes are going up. The economy is going to collapse. Nothing will stop this from taking place. PREPARE. PREPARE. PREPARE. I’m no longer interested in what our government does or doesn’t do because it doesn’t matter. I only hope that Americans are preparing to deal with the repercussions.