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badbadlibs angelheartnikki  whatever.

angelheartnikki 
“Whatever” is a large statement in this context. I hope you think more about what truth really is and how it will best serve you in your youth and in your later years.

angelheartnikki 
I believe you more intelligent then you’re letting on to me in this conversation.
You made a point to create a post detailing this jurors back ground. Was that just to inform us of her life or do you have a different reason for posting?

angelheartnikki 
I don’t understand your point? How is she making you feel bad?

angelheartnikki 
Maybe not, I’m not black, however my great granddaughter is half black and I want to understand her perspective one day. She’s a darling little toddler that I adore.
Angel, as a Jew I do know first hand what it is like to experience prejudice. (wish means to pre-judge, btw)

angelheartnikki badbadlibs 
Neither could George…whom Trayvon described as a “creepy a$$ed cracler” and his girl friend said she used that term all the time too.

angelheartnikki badbadlibs
Trayvon would be alive as well, if he’d just gone on to his father’s fiancee’s condo. He was only a few hundred yards away, but instead he chose to hide and then jump Zimmerman as Zimmerman was walking BACK to his truck. Zimmerman was looking for a street sign….I heard it on the 911 tape…..he said he was getting out to find a street sign.
Yes, their comments matter…it shows WHY Martin attacked Zimmerman….racism. If Martin had NOT jumped Zimmerman he would be alive.
Remember……the REASON Martin was at those condos was because his mother KICKED him out of the house for getting into fights all the time.

angelheartnikki Keyes badbadlibs 
I HEARD the 911 call and didn’t you hear the girl friend’s testimony? She said Trayvon called him a “Creepy a$$ed cracker”.
It really is sickening how such a large percentage of blacks in this country don’t care about the truth. Just angry that the white guy was found innocent in a case that was CLEARLY self defense.
It’s ashame blacks can’t put their race and racist attitudes behind. It’s getting really old.

angelheartnikki 
You still haven’t said what it is you feel bad about? If it’s not about race to you, then what is it that has you feeling bad?
I’m sure you are aware that the black community is losing it’s young people thru violence via each other.
What exactly, I wonder would it take for you and anyone else of color to feel like this nation has moved past the south of the 50′s.
This would never have made the light of day but the president weighing in and holder (who I feel is the biggest racist this nation has ever known) calling us (Whites at any rate) a nation of cowards and fomenting racism to the point the Zimmerman trial makes headlines day and night. It never would have otherwise.
There is much more to what is going on then meets the eye.

badbadlibs angelheartnikki I will say this, you are right, crime against ourselves is a serious problem, but that criminal is most often brought to justice in those situations. This is where the hurt comes in. To say that martin was a thug/bully/provoker is as good as saying he deserved it. It’s a one step forward, two steps back sort of thing when it comes to race in this country.

angelheartnikki 
See, that’s the saddest thing of all that has come out of this situation. This case was never suppose to even come to trial. The FBI never found any civil rights violations against Zimmerman, the police did not find any reason to press charges and neither did the DA. NOT until the WH and holder’s DOJ weighed in the matter along with other such people crying for “justice”.
It’s not two steps backwards. Zimmerman was defending himself, he was being beat to a pulp, had walked away and was jumped. Do not let the lies surrounding this case make you think that there have been more steps forward then backward.
Look at the facts, please.

badbadlibs angelheartnikki thanks but these facts do nothing to comfort me.

Keyes angelheartnikki badbadlibs how exactly do you know a “large” percentage goes unpunished?

angelheartnikki 
A nation that will elect a black man, twice to the highest office in the land is not a country that is bent on racism.
If you mean that racism will never be 100% eradicated, you’re right, just like any other evil will never be 100% eradicated.
If your daily experience tells you differently, I don’t know how to correct that, however, I do know this case is not indicative of racism in America. If that is the case then 6 women jurors are full out racists. Are you willing to believe that?

angelheartnikki Keyes badbadlibs 
Just read an article on it the other day.

badbadlibs angelheartnikki you are right, that was a step forward… but it was not an easy road and there was a lot of negative and racially motivated things said about Obama that had nothing to do with his political affiliation or policies. In fact, some on this very site, although its too far back for me to quote verbatim. I don’t know about all six, but I have a sneaking suspicion about this one.

But don’t we all experience racial, gender, political, or religious discrimination all day long? Is it really a matter of how we deal with it? Or what our expectations are? Are some people more sensitive to it?

My personal experience with discrimination is that this is what humans, by nature, do to each other. It’s horrible, yes, but that’s what humans do.

angelheartnikki Keyes badbadlibs 
A surly attitude towards someone could affect how they treat a person. Being surly toward another person of a different race could be construed as being racist towards them.
If your so called perceived victimhood of people being racist towards you makes you not feel comforted….perhaps the same is true for the other person.

angelheartnikki badbadlibs 
It had EVERYTHING to do with Obama’s policies. They sent me an illegal questionairre four years ago and said if I didn’t fill it out they would put me in jail.

angelheartnikki Keyes badbadlibs 
No, your photo does not, but your attitude does and your constantly harping on race does.

Keyes angelheartnikki badbadlibs What attitude? I am giving no one attitude here, Keyes. How can you ever understand if all you ever want is for black people to shut up already about race.

badbadlibs angelheartnikki ohh I must disagree that they weren’t said here bad, im sorry I don’t have any record.

Keyes angelheartnikki badbadlibs Mr morgan is welcome to his opinion. He is one person. You are right we have our own issues. But im educated, I’ve studied, I may not be married but my son is adopted so does that fall under kids out of wedlock? Some blacks live this way, but not all blacks. It’s like me looking at honey boo boo and equating that with all whites which I know is not true. All that you describe has deep roots and it is not easily fixed. It’s more complicated than blacks, get your acts together.

angelheartnikki
Then they were not said by regulars. Most all posters here are born again Christians who know and do look past the outward appearance. If there is one or two who get past the moderators that would be surprising, but nobody can be everywhere at the same time. If you see it posted, then flag it and a moderator will take care of it.
I can tell you if this was a racist board I would be out of here faster then you could imagine.
I don’t know how you think and talk outside this particular conversation, but if you filter everything you experience, hear, see and do thru racism then you’re going to find it in depths that are not necessarily true.

Keyes 
Yikes! Have they finally given up and stopped their undue harassment? Tyrants for sure.

PoCoTex you’re right and racism is one thing, but we have a history of oppression. it runs a little bit deeper then someone calling you a hurtful name.

badbadlibs angelheartnikki 
You know how I feel about Keyes!
Angel can’t argue with the facts on this case….she’s just not comforted.
She can’t argue with the facts on Obama….so it’s the EXPIRED race card.

angelheartnikki 
If you’re a Christian then you know we’re to leave the past behind and move forward. You are free woman in Christ and nobody can oppress you. This nation is not a nation of cowards, unlike what holder has said of the white population. We are a nation of fair minded people who are just trying to get thru each day, taking care of our families and having a little piece of the American dream, if you will.
There will always be those who cannot be reached nor changed, but they have little power.
Take heart, this trial is not indicative of American racism. Remember the FBI has already investigated Zimmerman to see if he had violated the civil rights of Martin. They found he did not.
To have found Mr. Zimmerman guilty to placate those who think racism was at the heart of this would have been worse then you can imagine for race relations.
Have a good night, Angel, love your boy, love your life and take care, it was good to talk with you.

Keyes 
Love Dr. Keyes! He use to have a message board that was very, very lively and moderated by a nitwit so nearly anything went…so I went. But, for awhile it was fun! Did you ever post there?

badbadlibs angelheartnikki  You take care too. And I do, you have no idea how much. I am Christian and I can only speak for myself. yes I’d like to leave the past behind but there are people in power who are racists, sad to say.

angelheartnikki 
Don’t give them that  power, Angel. This is a nation that is fair minded and laws are there to protect you if your civil rights are being violated.
You have the greatest influence over how your son perceives the people of this country. Teach him well and the way Jesus would have it done.

badbadlibs angelheartnikki  bad, I appreciate your optimism but its not always fair minded and the laws aren’t really designed to protect us. in fact, when the constitution was written the term “men ” being created equal did not refer to blacks as were were only considered 1/3 a person.

angelheartnikki 
If you’re going to live in the past then you can’t move forward. That’s a shame. Don’t look for perfection, that only comes when Jesus returns to rule and reign.
Blacks are no longer considered 1/3 a person, but you know that. Don’t dwell there, Angel. It’s where those who thrive on broken race relations want you and where the enemy of your soul is thrilled to see you.
Move forward in Jesus.

Keyes angelheartnikki badbadlibs I get where you’re coming from but don’t you see no one should be arguing how is too much to consider a human being?

badbadlibs Keyes 
I don’t think the Lord is too happy with her race obsession and her wanting Zimmerman to be found guilty because he’s part white.
A person who truly loves the Lord would probably not be so obsessed with race.

angelheartnikki Keyes badbadlibs 
Well, I guess the North should have just let the South count all the slaves so they could have had a bigger delegation, thereby making it easier for them to spread slavery into the Western terroritories.
You don’t seem to be able to absorb any facts….you just boomerang back to your comfy little victimhood chair.

Keyes 
Well, we can love the Lord and still need to grow leaps and bounds, growth takes time and for some a lot of time.
At least she’s willing to have a civil conversation and I can respect that.

Keyes angelheartnikki badbadlibs I am not a victim, I live a nice life, in a nice house with a nice job. I have an education and I am not blaming anyone for any shortcomings. How am I living in victimhood?

Keyes angelheartnikki badbadlibs my discomfort is that he is dead. I would have been sad no matter what the verdict.

angelheartnikki 
I use to tell this to my children, it’s a fact of life:
“Show me your friends, I will show you your future”.

badbadlibs angelheartnikki 
I am not sad that a vicious thug is dead. A thug that was in the process of trying to commit murder. He probably would have gone on and murdered more after he got done with Zimmerman.

Keyes badbadlibs angelheartnikki that’s your choice.You don’t have to be sad at all.

angelheartnikki Keyes badbadlibs  – Okay, first of all, it was 3/5 not 1/3.
Secondly, I agree that no one should be arguing about how much a person is worth, but there was a reason for it, at the time.
The Southern slave states didn’t want blacks to be considered humans except when it came time to count the population for power allocation.  Whether they considered a black person a person or a piece of property all depended on what was best for them.

angelheartnikki Keyes badbadlibs 
Are you sad that Trayvon bashed Zimmerman’s head into the sidewalk over and over?
It brought me no comfort.

Keyes angelheartnikki badbadlibs poor wittle victim of what? Nothing has happened to me.

Keyes angelheartnikki badbadlibs Keyes why are you being sarcastic? I’m sorry Zimmerman was injured. He’s won his case.

Keyes angelheartnikki badbadlibs me either. you cant even see when I am just making a point! You said do I talk about this with my black friends, and I needed to branch out.

Keyes angelheartnikki badbadlibs But it STILL doesn’t matter! He’s free! What do you want  to feel towards Zimmerman?

angelheartnikki Keyes badbadlibs 
How about feel for him in that he was attacked and would be dead if he hadn’t shot Martin. Martin told Zimmerman he was going to die that night.
How about you view him as a person who came close to being murdered by a racist thug? Stop with “it doesn’t matter now”.
Zimmerman has to live the rest of his life looking over his shoulder because of all the credible death threats against him. He has to live with the pain of knowing he took a life…even though it was totally justified.

angelheartnikki Keyes badbadlibs

Keyes badbadlibs angelheartnikki  Do what, Keyes?

badbadlibs Keyes 
She may be civil, but she does not address the points made. She just sticks to the race issue and “it doesn’t matter now”.

Keyes badbadlibs oh come on keyes, I’m not on race right now. Frankly anytime I referred to it was in answer to a question. What is so bad about me saying it doesn’t matter now? How is that inflammatory?

nekodachi Keyes badbadlibs 
Sorry, but I’m sick of “I’m a victim of the white man” garbage.

Keyes nekodachi badbadlibs And, I’m the one stuck on race, right now? Come on, Keyes.

angelheartnikkiKeyesbadbadlibs
“You speak of racist blacks but you have no idea what it is to walk in our shoes.” 

interesting comment. 
Is there a store you can’t shop in? Is there a drinking fountain you can’t drink from? Is there a bus you can’t ride in the front of? Have you EVER been denied service because of your color, (that you can document), anyplace?
If not, get out of the 50′s and quit playing ‘victim’, OK?

angelheartnikki Keyes badbadlibs 
Of course you don’t wish him any ill will. Why would you? He was visciously attacked and beaten. He’d be dead if he hadn’t defended himself.
That is a very bizarre statement for you to make.

angelheartnikki tinlizzieowner Keyes badbadlibs 
Where were you denied service?

Keyes angelheartnikki tinlizzieowner badbadlibs  Does that matter??

Keyes angelheartnikki badbadlibs what you mean is it would have been nice for me to agree completely with you. I don’t have to.  Yes Zimmerman was a victim but he was no way perfect or exempt from this situation escalating.

angelheartnikki Keyes badbadlibs 
No,it would have been nice for you to have researched the evidence. It would have been nice for you to have acknowledged what happened to Zimmerman instead of the same canned answer.
He did not cause the situation to escalate. He was walking back to his truck when Martin jumped him. Martin was only a few hundred yards from his condo. There would have been no incident at all if Trayvon had just gone home.

Keyes angelheartnikki badbadlibs This is why I asked to agree to disagree. I did research, I am not surprised by the verdict.

Keyes angelheartnikki badbadlibs ok keyes. sheesh.

Than what about Rachel Jeantel on Piers? And no I chose not to watch that interview either.

angelheartnikkitinlizzieownerKeyesbadbadlibs 
Can you prove that you are being followed around because of your ‘color’, NO, you can’t.
” I have in fact been denied service” 
if you can prove that you have been ‘denied service’ because of your ‘color’, I’ll help you file a civil law suit but of course I wouldn’t have to, one e-mail to Jesse Jackson would get you all the help you need, wouldn’t it?
You might think I sound like a racist but I’ll remind you, I’m a Viet Nam Vet and there’s no such thing as a ‘racist’ in a ‘Fox Hole’.
One last thing. If I hear Trayvon Martin referred to ‘as a child’ one more time by the ‘victimhood Klan’ I’m going to puke.
He was over 6 feet tall, weighed at least 180 lbs (bigger than I am) and old enough to join the Marine Corps.

tinlizzieowner angelheartnikki Keyes badbadlibs 
prove, prove prove . You asked me a question, I don’t care to start any silly lawsuits. I simply took my business elsewhere, but you asked me so I answered. I can not help it if you don’t believe it happened and at this point it would be difficult to prove. Can you think of any reason why I was followed from one end of the department store to the other? I’m 5f1 and 127lbs. did I pose some sort of threat I wonder? Can you think of why I was not waited on for an hour in a restaurant? No one attempted to even show me to a table even though I tried numerous times to get someone’s attention. Again I’m sorry I have no documented proof.

tinlizzieowner Keyes badbadlibs  where you just asking me so you could try to prove me wrong? Try to convince me that it was all in my head?

angelheartnikkitinlizzieownerKeyesbadbadlibs
“so, no response?”
I have to sleep sometimes.
You know, you really sound like a reasonable, rational person. Not at all unlike my Black Viet Nam Vet ‘Brothers’. You will find I use the term ‘Brothers’ (not ‘Brothas’), any time I speak of those who served in combat. Because we are ‘Brothers’, in thought, word, deed and sometimes, blood.

Back in 08, when Obama was elected, I got into a conversation with one of my dearest friends. We ended up on the topic of the election, now mind you this man is a wealthy, very well respected, Black conservative. Yet he voted for Obama? Naturally, the naive ol White boy (me) asked him why? His reply, “It’s a Black thing, I could try to explain it to you but I don’t think you would understand”. I had to accept that answer at face value because I know this man (and his (White) wife, very well. 
Henceforth, I’m going to extend that same courtesy to you (though I don’t know you at all). Why? Because I’m not arrogant, young or stupid enough to think that aren’t beyond my comprehension. You could ask me try to explain my war experiences to you but you know what?
“It’s a War thing, I could try to explain it to you but I don’t think you would understand”.
DJH

frisky123 enoughofthenonsense Minor wounds? Mind if we recreate it with your head bashed into a concrete sidewalk?

frisky123 enoughofthenonsense Keep trying.  You are aren’t very convincing with Lefty talking points.  I hope it makes you feel better, but you won’t find many believers in your made up stuff here.

Well I hope you have a son or male relative that is in that same situation as Trayvon and you still feel the same when your relative was killed in self defense.