By The Right Scoop


Rush says that Obama’s executive order that forces doctors to report to the federal government on their patients who have guns and may be behaving oddly may end up causing some people to snap. He says it’s pushing their buttons to have the people that they interact with to report to the government on them:

This is pushing people’s buttons on purpose. This is going to cause some people to snap – it might. This is going after the very reasonableness and sanity of people. Seems like the goal here is to get every body on some kind of list. And to have all kinds of people that we interact with end up reporting on what we do or say to them to the government, to the “authorities”.

The “authorities” – that’s a totalitarian word. The “authorities”.

Why is Obama doing this? Why is he deliberately making people so upset? What’s driving him?

Listen to the full clip below:

Here’s the text Rush is reading from so you can follow along (via Weekly Standard):

PRESERVE THE RIGHTS OF HEALTH CARE PROVIDERS TO PROTECT THEIR PATIENTS AND COMMUNITIES FROM GUN VIOLENCE: We should never ask doctors and other health care providers to turn a blind eye to the risks posed by guns in the wrong hands.

  • Clarify that no federal law prevents health care providers from warning law enforcement authorities about threats of violence: Doctors and other mental health professionals play an important role in protecting the safety of their patients and the broader community by reporting direct and credible threats of violence to the authorities. But there is public confusion about whether federal law prohibits such reports about threats of violence. The Department of Health and Human Services is issuing a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits these reports in any way.
  • Protect the rights of health care providers to talk to their patients about gun safety: Doctors and other health care providers also need to be able to ask about firearms in their patients’ homes and safe storage of those firearms, especially if their patients show signs of certain mental illnesses or if they have a young child or mentally ill family member at home. Some have incorrectly claimed that language in the Affordable Care Act prohibits doctors from asking their patients about guns and gun safety. Medical groups also continue to fight against state laws attempting to ban doctors from asking these questions. The Administration will issue guidance clarifying that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit or otherwise regulate communication between doctors and patients, including about firearms.

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  • Godisright

    Why would a doctor put himself on the lunatic’s hit list?
    Maybe Obamacareless offers an incentive program that was not disclosed in today’s briefs.

    • sDee

      Payment. The federal government is now in control of the terms and condition of payment of medical services by private physicians. Toe the line or go broke.

      • http://twitter.com/vettegal14 Robin Carmack

        What a doctor is going to have to do for license renewal anymore is asinine. All the docs that have gone to cash clinics or concierge offices will be closed. It is going to be conform or retire if you can

        • 6cheri6

          We won’t have a Dr shortage up here in Canada! All the Dr’s that escaped socialized medicine will come home. It’s tougher to practice in the US now!!!

    • http://twitter.com/WaiGuoGuizi 学中文的美国男人

      Maybe because the doctor cares for something larger than himself? If some lunatic puts his doctor on a hit list because the doctor is trying to do his job and keep guns out of the hands of mentally deranged lunatics, then that lunatic shouldn’t own a gun, because he is a threat to murder people.

      • Godisright

        My point is : the doctor now has to protect himself from the deranged lunatic who will get the gun regardless of whether a store allows him to purchase. There are other illegal avenues.

  • http://tinyurl.com/wwsotu Wolfie

    This is outrageous! If you have to go to a doctor and he starts to ask you about guns tell him it’s not of his darn business! Refuse to confirm or deny and ask him if he has one. Turn about is fair play.

    • sDee

      Guns – what guns doc?

      Welcome to the Police State.

      • http://tinyurl.com/wwsotu Wolfie

        Exactly.

        Me: Gee doc, my right knee has been locking up and causing me great pain.
        Doc: Do you own a gun?
        Me: What does that have to do with the price of apples?
        Doc: ?????
        Me: Exactly.

        • Godisright

          It’s that torn cartridge in your knee !

          • http://tinyurl.com/wwsotu Wolfie

            LOL! Tried to come back with a clever retort, but I got nottin’ :-)

            • Godisright

              :0

      • PatrickHenrysBody

        Indeed. This is ridiculous. I will not tell anybody that I have guns. It’s none of their business. I will not divulge information that I am Constitutionally obligated to keep undisclosed.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/44F4AB4VSCTOCHBMBG4ZWWD5OU Laurel

      That answer is a red flag that you own guns. I would just tell them No.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/CZSU2D67ODNZOKEZYHXONQ4F5Y John

        “I don’t, doc. Do you?…………..Answer me now!!!” ;)

      • Dukehoopsfan

        That the way. Just don’t walk in sportin’ you Ruger t-shirt.

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/44F4AB4VSCTOCHBMBG4ZWWD5OU Laurel

          Or point your Ruger at him and say “No…Why do you ask?!”

          • Dukehoopsfan

            ;-)

          • http://tinyurl.com/wwsotu Wolfie

            Wouldn’t that be considered profiling? ;-)

        • http://tinyurl.com/wwsotu Wolfie

          :-)

      • debw777

        I just won’t answer, nor will I answer any other questions I feel are inappropriate.

        We used to have the right to privacy with our Doctors, so Obama has already taken that, and wants to take more.

    • aposematic

      That confirms it Wolfie, you obviously have serious mental issues; the Government must be informed immediately. (lite sarcasm)

      • http://tinyurl.com/wwsotu Wolfie

        LOL! :-)

        And they’re going to “take care of me” Chicago style no doubt. :-D

        BTW, my subscription for “mental” magazine is running out, I’d better resubscribe if I am to get any more “mental issues”, thanks for the reminder! ;-)

    • Nukeman60

      Personally, I would ask the doctor if he has had an affair within the last year. When he tells me it’s none of my business, I would then reply, “So, about my medical condition…”

      • PatrickHenrysBody

        LOL

    • martha chandler

      I am issuing a challenge. Let’s do what BO and Holder would do. LIE LIE LIE LIE AND LIE SOME MORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • ApplePie101

      Or say ‘no’, regardless of whether you do or not.

      I’m reminded of the saying, that Arabs lie to please, British lie to cover up, but Russians lie for no discernible reason. I think we’re now discovering the reason.

      • http://tinyurl.com/wwsotu Wolfie

        I haven’t heard that before, that’s a good one to try and remember.

  • sDee

    The US Civilian Police Force is in on this already. Neighbor against neighbor.

    In the aftermath of the tragic Newtown shooting, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), together with the Department of Justice (DOJ), and the FBI have worked to identify measures that could be taken to reduce the risk of mass casualty shootings. In the coming days, DHS will expand and formalize coordination of ongoing efforts intended to prevent future mass casualty shootings, improve preparedness, and to strengthen security and resilience in schools and other potential targets. DHS will work with partners at all levels of government, to address five critical areas intended to reduce the risk of mass casualty shootings in the United States: Prevention, Protection, Response, Education, and Research/Evaluation.

    DHS will also work with law enforcement to refresh, expand and prioritize the implementation of nationwide public awareness efforts such as the “If You See Something, Say Something™” campaign. This is a critical issue that requires immediate attention and I look forward to supporting the President and this Administration as we move ahead.

    • deTocqueville1

      Exactly!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/44F4AB4VSCTOCHBMBG4ZWWD5OU Laurel

      Great catch sDee!

      • sDee

        One would almost think this whole thing is an 8-year plan, all falling into place nicely.

        nah…that’d be crazy.

        Not wantin’ to be talkin’ crazy now – the authorities will come take my guns away.

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/44F4AB4VSCTOCHBMBG4ZWWD5OU Laurel

          HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

          So much for that cup of coffee…

          Obama can’t believe his luck since F&F didn’t pan out for him and his gun grab.

        • Nukeman60

          You are talking conspiracy theory here. Stop it now. If I didn’t know better, I’d say you are trying to imply that Obama wants to fundamentally transform America. Such foolishness.

          • 6cheri6

            Hope and change ….AGAIN????

        • aposematic

          Anyone who’s IP number ever showed up on any Conservative site is now in peril. If you happened to comment…well, to late to start worrying now. That can’t happen here, this is America?????

          • Nukeman60

            They knew me by what I had to say a long time ago. I’m not going to hide. They know who I am, what I feel, and where I stand. I’m not hunkering down in the bunker. Wait, I had more to say, but there’s the sound of rotors and a knock at the door…

    • http://twitter.com/SheerPolitics Sheer Politics

      That right, just like the Nazis and the communists, they start training neighbors to spy on each other and kids to spy on their parents.

      • 6cheri6

        Wonder how long he took to interrogate those kids today on their parents habits.

    • aposematic

      Napolitano just announced DHS will support all tyrant…err, Obuma directives…

      • sDee

        yup – that was her statement I pasted

    • PatrickHenrysBody

      I’ll just stash my “assault” rifle in a guitar case. If anyone asks, I’ll say I’m going to practice “playing” my “instrument”.

    • http://twitter.com/WaiGuoGuizi 学中文的美国男人

      The “If You See Something, Say Something” campaign is an anti-terrorism campaign. The only person who would be against this would be a terrorist. I can just see the ACLU filing a lawsuit saying, “This campaign has caused Muslim and jihadists to be profiled.”

  • sjmom

    It will be interesting to hear what doctors have to say in regard to these measures.

    • aposematic

      A large portion of Doctors’ income will funnel through/from Oumanocare. What do you think they will say to their Boss.

  • Rocco11

    Communists require that everything be reported to the “authorities.”

  • moderate45

    So this is where you guys have been hiding…

    • http://tinyurl.com/wwsotu Wolfie

      Hiding?

      Haven’t seen you posting in a while, how have you been?

      • moderate45

        Pretty good.. was vainly hoping that Fox would pick back up but it’s now down to a handful of morons on the board…

        • http://tinyurl.com/wwsotu Wolfie

          Glad to hear you are doing good. Yeah, I keep checking back on Fox myself to see if it’s returned to the “old way” of using Disqus to post like it used to. If it is using Disqus, I can’t seem to post anymore. I hang out here 99% of the time now. Great place! Great people! Great posts, Great comments! I have found Conservative Heaven here on Earth! I hope you stay around for a while and read/contribute. I think you’ll find it intellectually stimulating as well as just plain fun. :-)

    • NYGino

      What guys? Not me. I don’t post here, that’s a misconception. As a matter of fact I deny knowing anybody here. Who are these people? Never heard of this bunch of obvious subversives in my life.

      • http://tinyurl.com/wwsotu Wolfie

        ROFL!!! :-D

      • Nukeman60

        HE’S GOT A GUN…HE’S GOT A GUN!!!

  • johnos2112

    The fuse on the keg is about to be lit!

  • deTocqueville1

    Yes totalitarian. These invasions of privacy, this snooping erodes personal liberties and it makes a mockery out of the doctor patient relationship. These intrusions are right out of Orwell and belong in the Soviet and Nazi type regimes not in a free America.

  • http://tinyurl.com/wwsotu Wolfie

    My wife, just commented that if her doctor started asking her questions about guns she’d tell him it’s none of his damn business and find a different doctor. She would not feel comfortable with giving him any information because he would be breaking the privacy laws telling “the authorities” anything at all that was said between a patient and doctor. I thought that was a good comment, so I posted it.

    • sDee

      HIPPA was a ruse too. It basically says our medical information cannot be shared without our permission. However to get treatment we must sign a HIPPA form giving the doctor and insurance company the permission to share it with whoever they chose to, or are required to by law.

    • http://twitter.com/SheerPolitics Sheer Politics

      I can block my husband from my medical information if I want, but the doctor can upload my information to the government.

      BTW, in some states, doctors are asking your KIDS if there are guns in the house.

    • 6cheri6

      Next EO: All priest must immediately report to the authorities after each confession they hear.

  • WhiteGuy2

    So if you don’t have insurance the IRS will fine you. If you do have insurance and go to the doctor the doctor may report you. The only alternative is to buy insurance but never go to the doctor?

    This whole thing reminds me of Iraq. Saddam Hussein employed an army of government minders who would observe and report on anything and anyone they deem suspicious.

    • sDee

      You’ve got it.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/44F4AB4VSCTOCHBMBG4ZWWD5OU Laurel

    And I wonder what has happened to the doc who tried to help the Aurora Colorado movie theater shooter?

  • http://twitter.com/uncmetsgal Carmen P

    I have no doubt that my doctor isn’t going to even entertain asking me any questions in this regard.

    Because he already knows (based on our regular talks when it comes to illness and medicine (ie: he proffers the flu shot, I tell him to get bent)) I’ll tell him to take a flying leap and that it’s none of his damn business.

    That should be EVERYONE’S standard reply.

    • sDee

      so then they check Box-B: Does Patient Appear Irrational, Angry, or Emotionally Unstable. (YES)

      No guns for Carmen. ;)

      • http://twitter.com/uncmetsgal Carmen P

        LOL, too bad I already have 3 and one on the way! (Come on, Ruger, ship my SR1911 already!!!! LOL :P )

  • stage9

    Well, as far as reporting credible threats, ER’s have to do that anyway. If a person comes into the ER with a stab or gunshot wound doctors are required to report it. If someone poses a credible threat to someone else’s life, surely that’s reportable as well. no?

    • Nukeman60

      That’s already reportable. It didn’t need an EO or ObamaCare.

      • redheadgrl

        Right. You don’t want the flu shot? You must me mentally ill. Even though every year we put it out over all the news channels that you must get your flu shot because this year’s strain is the WORST EVER.

        • Nukeman60

          I would like to see the stats for who actually gets the flu each year with categories of who got the shot and who didn’t. I never take a flu shot and I haven’t been sick in over a decade (knock on wood, now).

          • redheadgrl

            I wonder what is in it since it’s claimed each year we are experiencing the WORST STRAIN EVER and everyone needs to get the vaccine. As with you, I have not had the flu in over 20 years, and I don’t get the flu shot. Not to say I haven’t had other illnesses, but not the flu. Not one for conspiracy theories, but this one makes me ponder.

            • Nukeman60

              The flu shot actually is a small case of the flu and they say it is to build up your immunities. However, I prefer natural immunities and it seems to have served me well. I think those flu shots, at the very least, are for the wrong flu strain, and at the very worst, are actually giving you the flu.

    • aposematic

      I noticed many of these EO’s as rehashed/reinforced already been there done that type of EO’s/Laws… Gets me thinking therein lies the opening on existing Laws to rewright them and say Congress did it. There I go again….

    • Robert177

      There is a world of difference between a doctor seeing a stab or gunshot wound, and then drawing conclusions about that, vs FISHING for information by asking if the patient owns guns, when the patient’s visit had nothing to do with guns or gun wounds.

  • Lives4Freedom

    I’m a little lost here. I don’t trust the president’s intent or anything, but is this executive order really supposed to tell doctor’s to ask the gun question generally to everybody? I would expect the question to apply to gun wound patients. For now, I haven’t really formed an opinion on this issue, and need some clarification.

    You might have someone go to the hospital injured by a stray bullet, or they were accidentally shot by a friend, shot themselves by accident, or one might lie about their injury because of their violent lifestyle. Depending on the conditions, when is it appropriate for a doctor to throw on their ‘deputy’ hat? I’ve seen TV dramas address this, and play both sides of the fence. What do you all think?

    • Nukeman60

      My daughter-in-law has already been asked by her doctor if they own guns, simply because they have a 2-year old daughter. She wisely turned the subject to another topic without answering.

      Me, I stay away from doctors in the first place, but I think my answer would be, “Heck, no. Those things are dangerous” and leave it at that. As far as I know, so far, it’s not illegal to lie to your doctor – unless it causes some medical fraud, that is.

      • NYGino

        Nukeman, 2700 pages and counting in that masterpiece of legislation that nobody has read, I pretty sure lying to your doctor is hidden in there someplace.

      • Lives4Freedom

        Interesting, and disturbing, point. I wasn’t thinking about it from other perspectives of doctor visits.

        My nephew was a year old when he got a bruise on his head (that nobody ever figured out where it came from), and when he was taken to the doctor, some ‘deputy’ in their infinite wisdom, suspected abuse, and DHS took custody for a day. There was of course no abuse, they just assumed and took over. That was scary to say the least.

    • sDee

      It will happen fast. It will be mandatory. It will be intrusive.

      This is just an extension of other statist programs in place already under the guise of “compassion”. Today an elderly patient admitted to the ER, hospital, or, in need of urgent care is required to be asked: “Do you feel safe in your home”.

      Ditto for a woman who comes into the ER with a head wound from a bicycle mishap, or a child who broke his arm falling out of a tree. Questionnaires looking for abuse, drug, or mental problems must be filled out to minimize liability, and to determine if mental health or social workers should be brought in, and to get insurance reimbursement.

      So you go into your doctor, you take your kid to the doctor, your wife, your elderly parent. A question will be required for treatment: Are their guns in your home? You may (wisely) say no. But what will your kid answer?…your aging parent, the neighbor who took your kid to the ER?

      • Nukeman60

        My daughter-in-law suspects she just broke her nose this morning. She was lying on the couch and her 2-year old daughter jumped up to lay with her. She cracked her nose pretty hard with the little girl’s head and even though it’s not out of wack, it is swollen and appears to be slightly broken.

        The point is, she’s afraid to go to the doctor, because of all this doctor informant crap. She thinks that they will assume she is a battered wife and cause them all kinds of trouble.

        This is where we have gotten with this BS. People can’t even hurt themselves anymore without fear of government repercussions.

        • sDee

          That is the intended effect.

          • NYGino

            So I shouldn’t bang my head against the wall anymore when I watch C-SPAN or listen to the impostor I guess.

      • aposematic

        Staying in context… Bull’s-eye sDee!

    • redheadgrl

      Lives – went for a visit in Dec, they “had” to ask me if I’m a smoker. I get it – it is a medial issue. Went back for a recheck 1 week later, same PA asked me if I was a smoker. (I am, socially). Like I had quit in 1 week? They have mandatory questions from the feds they must ask every visit before they can bill (either through insurance or Medicare). And Obamacare hasn’t even officially kicked in yet.

  • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

    What’s driving him? Satan.

    • http://tinyurl.com/wwsotu Wolfie

      Ah! I see you correctly answered your own question! :-)

      • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

        I do that a lot lol. ;-)

  • MadAsHellJack

    No worries here as both of my Doctors despise Obama and everything about him. Obama has put his destroy America agenda into overdrive today.

    I also saw that today Charlie Rangel said the South needs to overcome its hateful racist ways. No Charlie you liberal/progressive/racist POS the SOUTH SHALL RISE AGAIN and this time we ain’t gonna lose!

    • NYGino

      More “divide and conquer Charlie? Don’t you have anything better to do? Like pay some taxes?

    • Godisright

      I’m impressed you an understand Rangel. Every time I listen to Rangel or Sharpton I get lost in the sublingual verb/noun /throw- in- a -definite- article- anywhere -method of speaking. It might as well be Swahili !!

  • NYGino

    What will he go after next? The confessional?

    • sjmom

      About a month ago the administration said they could and would make Christians violate their faith.

      PS. I had a few nuns in school who I’d like to see go toe to toe with Barack. They wouldn’t need a gun, they’d be chasing him around with a yardstick.

  • deeme

    Just an extension of Obamacare..what else don’t they know about U.S..???? When is the impeachment beginning>>>??? If not I fear this….

    http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/site/article/the-next-american-civil-war

    • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

      As much as I fear it too, I am glad that there are many who are still willing to fight for the Constitution and for this country. I don’t look forward to it at all if it really comes, and I’ll not draw first blood- but I’ll be willing spend my last drop if it’s required.

      “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.”

      • deeme

        Amen …We are living in some crazy times..I expected the overreach kind of hoped for it..

        “Laws that forbid the carrying of arms..disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed one.” – Thomas Jefferson quoting Cesare Beccaria, Criminologist in 1764. That was 230 years ago. -Thomas Jefferson

        “The constitutions of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves;
        that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed; that they are entitled to freedom of person, freedom of religion, freedom of property and freedom
        of the press.” Thomas Jefferson

        “The beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it.” -Thomas Jefferson

        • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

          Amen! We can’t go wrong when quoting either the Bible or the Founding Fathers. :-)

          • deeme

            That’s who we are . God Country Family…I guess that makes U.S. Terrorists…

  • aposematic

    I have high regard for the great work Rush has done over the many years and still going strong (I first became a Rush fan when I happened upon his TV show). I do, however, have one area of disagreement with Rush. Before he got on the Doctor bit about turning Doctors into Government informants, which I agree; Rush talked about Government wanting to take care of everyone because Government thinks you are not smart enough to care for yourself. Rush uses that supposition on many topics, not just guns. I believe the Government doesn’t give a damn about their subjects outside of what the Government can take of their subjects wealth. Government knows the majority of the American people can take care of themselves and that is a threat to Government that must be eliminated. These new EO’s, none having anything to do with reducing gun crimes, are just an extension of reducing a very smart and capable people from being able to resist any Government oppression of its subjects.

    • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

      I started watching Rush when I first moved to Texas and I saw him on TV. Been a fan ever since. But WELL said aposematic!!

    • NYGino

      Subjects. The last person who considered us subjects was England’s King George the third. How’d that work out for him?

    • sDee

      I agree with you – reinforcing the narrative and presumption that the Leftsts are well-intended but misguided liberals, is deeply troubling to me about many like Rush. It is basically the entire premise of Fox News which is why I no longer watch.

      Their goals and intent are crystal clear – the dismantling of the Constitution, Liberty and the Republic.

    • ryanomaniac

      That was spot on.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IQIGXRVWW5XRETNV25R4FATCOM ssenecal5000

    The seriously mentally ill need to be institutionalized, this is not about the mere depressed.

  • NJK

    There is no need to tell a doctor whether you have a gun or not. Tell them to quote you, and send a personal message to the coke head in office, “FU.”

  • aposematic

    Homeland security’s Napolitano has anounced they intend to support all directives of the tyrant holding our WH hostage.

    • colliemum

      Yeah well, she would, wouldn’t she!

  • celestialjunk

    I think you folks are over-reacting. Often the first and only person who recognizes that an individual is unstable is the family physician. There should be some way of allowing them to tip off authorities of what they see as a potential threat to society. In most cases, it’ll be a suicide threat or murder suicide threat within the family. It’s a very delicate issue, but you’ve got to have someone in society in a position to set in motion preventative initiatives. Instead of just griping … why not offer logical functional suggestions. After all, crazy people kill people … not guns.

    And before you start ranting at me, let me make it clear that I’m a gun owner, including pistol owner from Canada. I admire and respect America for the freedoms offered gun owners. I’ve hosted hundreds of American hunters in my former camp … I – Like – Guns. I’m a conservative as well, as my blog should make very clear.

    So I ask … what logical steps can be taken to begin restricting the access to guns for crazy people? Bitching at your fascist president doesn’t cut it because I think he’s just offered some good over-all starting points.

    • NJK

      The Federal Govt. doesn’t have the authority. End of story. The Constitution doesn’t give them the authority to even ask.
      What is so darn hard about this for people to understand?

    • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

      Hey celestialjunk. I don’t think this in itself could be a bad thing, but taken along with everything else the dear leader has and is and plans to do, it’s not beyond belief that requiring doctors to ask their patients if they own fire arms that the government will use that info against law abiding citizens.
      Dear leader is making it to where the government controls everything and trampling the Constitution in the process, and using his thugs to implement it all.

      • Godisright

        Can’t go to the range with the docs anymore!

    • Nukeman60

      Obama’s list of 23 Executive Orders is a long list of increased spending and expanded government programs, none of which really address the problems this country has with violence and mental illness. Writing an EO to say that we should have a conversation seems a bit worthless, to me. Just have the d@mn conversation. Telling doctors to ask about guns doesn’t solve any medical problems. If they are going to diagnose mental illness in a family, checking on guns isn’t where they should start.

      There are a ton of conversations going on right now, discussing solutions to the problems and none of them restrict or violate the 2nd amendment of the Constitution (if you have a blog about this, then you should know that).

      Obama hasn’t offered a good starting point for discussions. He’s offered a good starting point for restrictions on our Constitutional rights. He knew he couldn’t outright take them away, so nibbling at the edges is always a good start.

      When a President comes out with 23 EOs that do nothing to solve the problem at hand, that allows anybody to complain about him, no matter what you think.

      • 6cheri6

        Have you forgotten Benghazi yet?? How about Fast and Furious?? Gay marriage?? Securing the borders?? Giving illegals jobs and welfare?? All this gun business is just a distraction. He knows American won’t give up their guns. If he throws enough garbage out the people have too much to respond to and he can go about implementing his plan to destroy the economy…..and the country. A more evil man cannot be found in all of America.

        • Godisright

          What are those again?? Oh, a chicken……..

    • sDee

      “Often the first and only person who recognizes that an individual is unstable is the family physician.”

      You’re kidding right? The family doc is simply the only one not in denial. The family always knows first but weak people have been brainwashed by a nanny state culture, that they are not responsible for their actions or the action of their families.

      This is a perfect example of a common collectivist argument that promotes the abandonment of personal responsibility and shifts it to the State (or in this case a doctor acting on behalf of the State). The State of course welcomes it because along with shifting one’s self-responsibility to the State – the State is able to take away liberty and freedom.

      We already have background checks – you should stop accepting the false arguments of a fascist. He is taking advantage of a crisis to grow his power and to usurp the rights and freedoms of free law abiding citizens.

      Where do we start? Reject Government. Return to a nation of self-reliant responsible citizens, and stop looking to an pathetic corrupt, bloated Central Government for solutions to to the very problems they created.

      btw it is not possible to “overreact” to an absolute and Unconstitutional invasion of our privacy, and a full blown attack on our First, Second and Fourth Amendment protections.

      • celestialjunk

        People aren’t “returning” to anything anytime soon. And, simply wishing that they do so won’t make it so.

        The problem is that America has a “murder” problem; and it has a “gun murder” problem. Some Western nations like the UK have as much violence; but nobody comes close to the USA in murder rates and gun murder rates.

        Is the only solution then to create one massive armed camp where all public space is patrolled by armed guard? If that’s the case, I suggest that the country has utterly and completely devolved and could hardly be called civilized.

        What are the concrete steps that can be taken to reduce gun violence? With 300 millions guns out there; I don’t think much can be done.

        Here is my list as a starting point ( and some of it applies to Canada)

        – give up on the war on drugs. It’s been lost. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing wrong again and again and expecting different results. You’ll save hundreds of thousands of lives, and likely billions of dollars by admitting that the war is lost. You’ll stop the Mexican drug war and take away the number one reason for gun murder … drug money. Sure, you’ll have millions of junkies … but you got those anyway. You’ll get massive push back from the War on Drugs industry though … the War means big gov, and big gov., loves the war.

        – License people to own guns; don’t restrict or license guns. That means that likely 90% of Americans could own whatever gun they want. You could even have a graduated set of licenses, like hunting/home defense/conceal carry/military all dependent on a criteria. In Canada the basic course to be licensed is not too difficult … if you can’t pass it, you shouldn’t own a gun. The NRA should be put in charge of courses and standards. Sure, you’d create a huge bureaucracy but I’d punt the entire system onto the states.

        – enact brutally stiff penalties for violent gun crime and build lots more jails. But then, with no war on drugs … you’d likely have lots of space as it is.

        – buy back guns. I think that 300 million in circulation is half the problem. Voluntarily giving up garbage guns is as much a right as owning them. The United States civilian population owns most of the world’s guns … think on that stat for a bit.

    • http://www.theconservativevoices.com/ dmacleo

      nothing.
      shall not be infringed.
      freedom has its downsides.

  • colliemum

    Rush points to an important aspect: doctors will be held responsible by the authorities should one of their patients actually use a gun, so they will feel forced to ask.

    The thing is though that the criminals will lie anyway, if they actually go to a doctor.

    This will only affect law abiding citizens, that cannot be repeated often enough!

    Btw – are authorities bothered by mothers using ilelgal drugs, are they bothered by those mothers having those drugs at home, with their small children? No – there are enough reports about babies drinking the methadon, or eating the marijuana, and dying.
    The authorities don’t give a toss about that.

    Aaand – what about that much hyped ‘patient confidentiality’? Is it to be scrapped just because of … guns?

    It’s about control of law abiding citizens, not about gun control.

    • http://www.theconservativevoices.com/ dmacleo

      it has the potential of making criminals of us if we lie too doesn’t it?

      • colliemum

        Sorry to be late answering (time difference …): it is worse, actually, because as Christians we’re not supposed to lie.
        This is a situation where we’ve got to learn to be as wily as snakes.

      • debw777

        Yeah, I can imagine the jailhouse conversation…”what are you in for?”, “not telling my Dr. there was a gun in the house…”

      • http://www.theconservativevoices.com/ dmacleo

        could swear, at one point in 2009-2010, there was talk of penalties for giving false info to dr when being covered under obamacare.
        there already is for medicare/medicaid regarding fraud, maybe it was related to that I just cannot remember for sure.

  • NYGino

    No Doc. But sometimes, at certain phases of the moon, I have vile, eerie, destructive thoughts, that I’m usually able to control. Want to hear some of them?

    • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

      lol. I wanna hear them NY.

      • NYGino

        You are too much ABC. I fell on the floor laughing with that!

        • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

          oy. I was serious. You mean you don’t really have weird thoughts as the moon phases? silly duckie. ;-)

          Glad I made ya laugh NY.

    • aposematic

      Do they start with an howl????

      • NYGino

        No owl, usually a raven.

  • Constance

    If one of my doctors ever asked me about my gun ownership, I would be shocked, and then I would lie right to his/her face. Nope. Don’t own any weapons. Never have and never will. Duh.

    • Godisright

      ……(as you wink and point your index finger at him) and don’t forget to click your tongue at the same time.

  • deeme

    Rush that guy Lou who called you today and blamed all of U.S. for pulling the trigger that killed those kids, that’s a perfect example of whom they are and now whole states almost..They blame everything and everyone who’s not guilty for their wrong doing..It’a a blameless society unless of course you are a Conservative..That’s how they glide through life with no Guilt about any of their evils..

  • anneinarkansas

    This is all going to backfire on Obama. The doctors I know will never agree to this…instead they may warn their patients of impending government stalking.

  • 1endtimes2020

    hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha—–hahahahahahahahahaha
    O, o, o, o —Obama—-what an expert…hahahahahahahahaha

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1218390770 Breana Shaw

    So if doctors refuse to participate will the lose the licences? Yes they will.

    Obama see’s himself as a dictator now. No doubt about it.

  • http://twitter.com/vettegal14 Robin Carmack

    This is not a new thing. The electronic medical records system we have at our office have that as a question the doctor is supposed to ask. Our docs have refused so far but this has been in the works for a while from this administration. Nothing shocks me about these idiots any more

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001951614348 Rogue Rose

      The Drs can be requested to ask, but they can’t be required to… yet. It’s in the provision added by none other than Harry Reid and voted on by all dems, so it can’t be blamed on “right wing extremists in the GOP”..

      (1) WELLNESS AND PREVENTION PROGRAMS- A wellness and health promotion activity implemented under subsection (a)(1)(D) may not require the disclosure or collection of any information relating to–`(A) the presence or storage of a lawfully-possessed firearm or ammunition in the residence or on the property of an individual; or`(B) the lawful use, possession, or storage of a firearm or ammunition by an individual.`

  • GetWhatYouPayFor

    In PA, doc’s are already required to report to the State dept. of motor vehicles, if you fill out a medical history that admits you have an alcoholic beverage more than a couple of times a week. I’ll bet we are not the only State with theses snitch laws either!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001951614348 Rogue Rose

    The doctors can’t be forced to ask and we can’t be forced to provide any info… as usual, he’s twisting the truth to misinform Americans. (may not require the collection of any information.. what does he not get about that…)

    (1) WELLNESS AND PREVENTION PROGRAMS- A wellness and health promotion activity implemented under subsection (a)(1)(D) may not require the disclosure or collection of any information relating to–`(A) the presence or storage of a lawfully-possessed firearm or ammunition in the residence or on the property of an individual; or`(B) the lawful use, possession, or storage of a firearm or ammunition by an individual.`

    (2) LIMITATION ON DATA COLLECTION- None of the authorities provided to the Secretary under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made by that Act shall be construed to authorize or may be used for the collection of any information relating to–`(A) the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition;`(B) the lawful use of a firearm or ammunition; or`(C) the lawful storage of a firearm or ammunition.`

    (3) LIMITATION ON DATABASES OR DATA BANKS- None of the authorities provided to the Secretary under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made by that Act shall be construed to authorize or may be used to maintain records of individual ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition.`

    (4) LIMITATION ON DETERMINATION OF PREMIUM RATES OR ELIGIBILITY FOR HEALTH INSURANCE- A premium rate may not be increased, health insurance coverage may not be denied, and a discount, rebate, or reward offered for participation in a wellness program may not be reduced or withheld under any health benefit plan issued pursuant to or in accordance with the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made by that Act on the basis of, or on reliance upon–`(A) the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition; or`(B) the lawful use or storage of a firearm or ammunition.`

    (5) LIMITATION ON DATA COLLECTION REQUIREMENTS FOR INDIVIDUALS- No individual shall be required to disclose any information under any data collection activity authorized under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made by that Act relating to–`(A) the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition; or`(B) the lawful use, possession, or storage of a firearm or ammunition.’.

    • John_Frank

      No.

      Read the referenced White House directives again.

      By issuing these directives, the administration is imposing an obligation on medical doctors to make an inquiry, etc.

      The reason is straight forward. If a doctor fails to make an inquiry, etc. and the patient subsequently kills someone the doctor will exposed to a medical malpractice lawsuit.

      • hbnolikeee

        Now that makes no sense. How can anyone KNOW what the doctor asked and was told if nothing is reported? How tough would it be to say the patient said no and lied.

  • puma_for_life

    All people have to do, when asked if they have a gun, is say no.

  • ApplePie101

    Just don’t tell your doctor anything he doesn’t need to know. Your doctor doesn’t need to know that.

  • Jaels_Song

    Healthcare providers do not have time to stand around talking about peoples guns. Obama is on dope. As if healthcare workers are not busy enough. I don’t want to hear about patients guns, I’m more interested in their vitals, signs and symptoms.

    • sDee

      My mother in law was rushed to the ER last year with a life threatening blood clot. By the time we had gotten there and she was out of surgery, we were being grilled by a sniveling arrogant government social worker and a hospital advocate weeny like common criminals. It turned out that she had said “no” when asked if she felt safe in her home (she lives with us). I told them to file charges or get the hell out of the room.

      When recovered, my mother in law did not even recall the interview which apparently was done while she was in severe pain awaiting meds and emergency surgery.

      They have time, people and need to justify their existence.

      • Jaels_Song

        Sheesh… sorry about that. Good for you.

  • louisiana_mom

    I’ll do the same thing I did when my son’s peditrician a few years back asked if we had guns in the house (she said it was a requirement of Obamacare)… I lied… “Nope, no guns, but we do have knives, poisons, explosive chemicals (gas, oil, etc.), and other dangerous objects…” Just to show the Progressive busybody that there are more dangers than just guns.

  • Godisright

    4 years of undergrad.
    4 years of med school
    4 years residency
    2 years specialty
    4 years of law school
    2 years of law enforcement training
    –——————-
    20 years (or so)to become an Obamacare doctor. Sounds like a deal!
    Work a couple years and retire on welfare!

  • redheadgrl

    Like I’m going to tell my doctor what guns I may or may not own. Just stupid.

  • americalsgt

    If my doctor asks me about my gun, I’m going to say when I’m up for action a bit over 6 inches as long as I don’t drink too much wine. These fools don’t even know the difference between a gun and a weapon. You learn that the first week of basic training.

  • mediaaccess1

    Reporting – yep – communists

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/OOKK3KBK7M2DX5OKOV7ODZ3QTA Jay

    I just had a doctor visit and he asked me if I was depressed, wanted to hurt myself or others and then apologised, saying, “Sorry, I have to ask.” I think it’s started already.

  • Pancake3

    Somehow Executive Orders modifying the behavior of citizens, as opposed to the operation of the government internally, seems to fly in the face of the Constitution.

  • http://twitter.com/WaiGuoGuizi 学中文的美国男人

    Anyone who “snaps” for little or no reason should not own a gun. We need to clean up our mental health system. It’s people who “snap” like the Newtown Shooter and the Aurora Theatre Shooter who end up killing innocent civilians because of mental health issues.