Obama: I’m keeping a “naughty and nice” list for members of Congress

Nukeman , I like when you respond, I do like the discourse. I do want to hear what you have to say most especially because you disagree without being aweful about it. I guess I should clarify ,Iwas more so referring to the person who asked about buying votes.(well more so now, I think early on you were a bit harsh) Didn't really see how that had to do with my original post about this video. Yes,not entirely sure why you couldn't respond to the other post but its ok.

I merely responded to what you say (that's all I have ever done with your posts). If that's a problem, then I'm sorry. But if you post, expect me to respond. The truth is the only thing that matters. Many on the left don't want to hear it (that's what makes the LameStream so inviting to them). I was of the impression you might be open to that discussion. Forgive me for being wrong.

PS: Sorry about not replying to your previous post today. It had no 'reply' button attached to it (strange). Anyway, I guess I don't need to waste all the time typing then, afterall. Later.

Nukeman, It's clear you feel very passionately, as I stated before there are things I agree with you about. Honestly, I made one comment concerning this one article and in doing so I have to defend everything Pres. Obama has ever done. Again, I DONOT agree with everything he's done. Also, I never said "its all Bush's fault" what I was doing was making a comparison ,thats all.

wow nukeman, you've given me an earful...what can I say you're completely right and I'm wrong I guess. You keep mentioning the mainstream media but I also watch Fox news so I'm not sure if thats also mainstream media? Listen, I do not think Obama is perfect, you are extremly right that he has tended to change his stance to appeal to his base (i.e same sex marriage,and most recently climate change.) This does bother me. To answer your earlier question, I voted for him because sadly we have a two party system, although there is a third party candidate, the two parties always gets the lions share of the vote. I had to choose between Mr.Romney and President Obama. Now, I will never disrespect Mr. Romney, he has acomplished much, but I did not see him as an alternative to Obama. I have quite a bit of family that live in the state of Mass (I may have mentioned this before) and Mass was not very happy with his governing. In fact I heard it so much from them once he was chosen as the republican nominee it was annoying. As for OBamacare, I keep saying that I really do agree with you that it is flawed, I do agree he really should be more flexible. Mr Romney has implimented something similiar in Mass. I think republicans should try to work for solutions to make it work instead of trying to strike it down completely. To your "nazi"comment, as I said before I will never accuse you of something unwarranted, I get what you are saying but Obama does not have absolute power and for better or for worse he never ever will. I'm grateful I live in a country where it won't happen. Anyway, I like your convo nukeman, it's stimulating. Hope you had a great weekend.

There is so much in your post that is full of holes that it will take a lot to address, but I will try. It may be long, however.

First of all, it's only a "it's the government's money and we are only allowed our fair share" philosophy that believes since it came from the people, it should go back to the people. It should have never left the people in the first place. Earned income is ours and we give it up to the government. You do realize there was a time when there weren't income taxes, don't you. We should have been working on a flat tax system and get rid of this overburdened tax code system that we presently have.

I do not believe in your (and Obama's) middle class outward growth that you speak of. The economy must have jobs to grow. More jobs means more revenue and if the government doesn't discover new ways of spending it, it would reduce the massive debt and balance the budget without ever raising taxes. BTW, do you realize that Obama's Democratic Senate has never passed a budget? How would that fly in your house?

If Obama raises taxes on the rich, who have already made their money, btw, and will just leave a system where they are overtaxed, (look at California and all the European countries that have tried this as a solution), then the tax burden naturally moves down the ladder. Obama has no intention of reducing spending (his latest proposal, btw, for his solution to the 'fiscal cliff' is to double the taxes and has additional spending than he had one year ago when it was soundly rejected - and quite frankly, laughed at).

You will find yourself taxed just like the rich, and the poor will get nailed too. It will just eventually make us all poor, but then that's the income equality that he is looking for.

Trickle down economics haven't been in effect for all the years Obama and the Democrats have been in control. Government expansion has been in control. It's not a coincidence that the economic turmoil started right after the Dems took control of Congress in '06. Bush's last two years had nothing to do with him and everything to do with the Congress, in spite of what (once again, surprisingly) the LameStream has tried to tell you over and over again. If you were honest to yourself, you would just look around you and see why the economy is going nowhere and has gone nowhere since '06.

'Someone has to be taxed' - That is the philosophy of Obama. Never a word about the real problem - overspending. Try running your household budget like that. Spend as much as you want, put as much as you can on your credit card, and then be forced to find more income to balance the outflow. And oh, btw, when your credit card is maxxed, demand that your credit card company raise your max limit, so you can continue to spend. Do you think that would really work?

'Remember Mr.Romney paid just 14% in taxes , middle class America pays much more than that.' - Romney pays only 14% because that is capital gains, not initial income. He was already taxed at the max rate for that income before he invested it in capital gains investments (I also pay capital gains on my investments and if they were taxed at the rate of income tax, it wouldn't be worth it. Then our entire investment industry would collapse). Once again, another story the LameStream has pushed on you that you apparently bought hook, line, and sinker. Also, the added taxes on the rich will pay for 8 days worth of Obama's deficit. What do you propose for the other 357 days worth of deficit?

'I'm just thinking of my own experiences without healthcare and I think something should be done' - There are just as many people without healthcare after ObamaCare than before it. It was a song and dance to say that it would cover everybody. There are effective ways to reform healthcare without creating this monstrosity that increases expenses on everyone, causes health insurance programs to go bust (to force the government option), and adversely affects jobs.

Tort reform, cracking down on waste and fraud, allowing insurance companies to cross state lines are just a few of the solutions and a good start to reforming our healthcare system, which badly needs it but won't get fixed with ObamaCare. Romney's solution in Massachusetts was a state decided issue, not a federal one. States, for a while yet, still have the power to be sovereign. The federal government does not have those powers (read the Constitution). Even the Supreme Court stated the individual mandate was only constitutional if it was a tax (which the Obama administration to this day still says it is not).

ObamaCare will rob from Medicare (to the tune of at least $800 billion), cause doctors and hospitals to charge patients more due to the government reducing doctor payments (a point Obama says is part of the savings - saving the government, but putting the burden on the patient), and raising the cost of medical devices, just to name a few. More doctors are refusing medicare patients now because they can't afford it and won't survive. Many people are refusing to go into the medical profession because they wouldn't be able to recoup the massive cost to themselves to get there. Hospitals are finding fewer and fewer insurance companies available for medicare and regular patients alike thanks to the overbearing ObamaCare (even Medicare Advantage, the only part that has been successful, is proposed to be abolished by ObamaCare. Go figure).

Yeah, it sure is a Godsend, isn't it. Only time will tell the full effect of this monstrosity, as people are just now finding out more and more of this massive 2700 page bill that created 10's of thousands of pages of regulations (those regulations that you seem to think are so much better for us).

As to gun sales, we haven't heard the last of Fast and Furious, the UN decision to control small arms (which Obama is in full agreement with), and other bills that are pending in the Senate that they decided to put a hold on until after the election. Imagine that. If that is why you think he's middle-of-the-road, I hope you can watch long enough to see the truth.

As to same-sex marriage, Obama only changed his stance to affect the vote (just as with immigration and Israel). One never knows how he really feels, only how he feels it will affect his reelection. Since he has no more need for reelection, we will certainly see his true self come out now, which in the past has only been glimpses that apparently only astute watchers have seen (once again, thanks to the LameStream, which has been his propaganda wing). Study a little history, both distant past and recent past. You will find Obama's path is much like the path of Hitler in the '30 and Hugo Chavez more recently. Before you accuse me of calling Obama a Nazi (even though I really don't care if you do or not), I'm just saying compare the histories. If you ignore history, you are doomed to repeat it - and we are doomed to repeat it now, it seems.

Why exactly do you want Obama for four more years? What do you think he will do differently than he did in the last four years? I'm curious as to what the non-moochers who want Obama use for a reasoning. All I ever heard in the campaign was this group was a demon and that group was a demon. Not exactly presidential. I'm not one of the moochers either, but that doesn't exactly prove that they weren't a big reason for his reelection.

A thought on big banks. Deregulation was not the initial cause of the recession, even though MSNBC would want us to believe that. It was the Democratic Congress passing laws to force banks to give mortgages to people who could not afford them. I wonder, if you had the money, would you loan it to someone who has No Income, No Job, and no Assests (ie, the infamous NINJA loans). That is what the banks were forced to do and tried to find a safety net for it (ie, the so-called toxic derivatives).

One of the biggest reasons for the housing collapse was Goldman Sachs, a company that was strongly protected by Obama, donated heavily to Obama, and many of it's executives were eventually hired by Obama's administration. Dems were just as much in bed, if not more, with big business as Republicans, but the media made sure the populace believed it was only the right.

Lastly, you are sounding much like Alan Colmes when you decry, "But...but...Bush did it, so why can't Obama". Many things Bush did were wrong, so doing four times as much doesn't make it better (Bush's stimulus compared to Obama's, Bush's EOs compared to Obama's).

That is what is wrong with the sheeple that think Obama does no wrong. When they cry that Bush was bad for the country (Obama himself actually said that Bush was irresponsible and unpatriotic to have a $400 billion deficit, while he's had four years of $1 trillion+ deficits each year), they show their bigotry when claiming it's okay for Obama to do it and they actually want more.

I also want to say I appreciate your point of view but I would just like to say I didn't get any freebies, I'm not on any type of public assistance, I 'm not a taker or a moocher or any of those things. I'm also not an athiest or a bleeding heart. I know you feel strongly that this is why people voted for Pres.Obama but it's not why I did anyway.

Hi nukeman, thanks for your comments...I do understand where the money comes from which is why I think thats where is should go back to. My opinion is that taxing the middle class would put more of a strangle hold on the economy because the only way companies can stay afloat is through revenue. If people are struggling they are not going to spend money then what will happen to these companies when no one is spending? I'm sorry but trickle down theory doesn't seem to be working . Some one has to be taxed and I feel the increase is modest, some republicans are not entirely against it, and closing loopholes would not hurt either.Remember Mr.Romney paid just 14% in taxes , middle class America pays much more than that.As for health care, I absolutely share your concerns, yes it is imperfect, it needs to be addressed BUT this country has gone far to long without even making this a discussion. When I was in college I was uninsured and when I got sick it was scary because I really didn't have a way to pay for a doctor. I'm just thinking of my own experiences without healthcare and I think something should be done. Also universal health care is not entirely democratic Mr.Romney had it implimented in Mass. I hear you about the increase in gun sales, but even if people were afraid, he has not done anything in regards to gun control which actually is one of the reasons I find him to be middle of the road. Also his stance on same sex marriage, he was not entirely for it. I havn't been blind to the past four years, I don't think he's perfect and no I don't agree with every single thing he has done in the past four years.

Thanks for the laugh. You made my day :)

Someone said 'thank you'? Wow, I know one person that didn't say it, the Obamaphone mooch that didn't have enough and wanted more. Really dude if you know of someone that said thankyou you're one ahead of me.

It's so easy to just say 'thank you' for the freebies and move on to the next reality TV show. Our goal is to enlighten the masses to their impending doom before it's too late, otherwise we can never turn this nation around.

Exposing the LameStream for what lies they tell is just one part of my three part plan to regain control of this nation (securing the election process and removing all trace of 'progressives' from a legitimate party are the other two parts).

Amen brother.

Incontrovertible truth from one that is conscious, aware and concerned.

So easy to see but the typical moron is blinded by the shine of the MSM halo.

Rising gun sales is proof that people fear he will take away the 2nd amendment rights, not proof that he won't. There is a laundry list of what he is doing with his Executive Orders that defies the people, the Congress, and the Constitution. It's actually difficult to discuss and explain this to someone who would be blind to the last four years. Many people are blind and that's why Obama used the demonizing tactics that he did and why so many voted for him that did.

This country has a long way to go to wake up. The path that Obama is taking us is destructive. We, on this site know that, and most of us are prepared for what will happen eventually, if it is allowed to go the distance. Are you ready for when grocery stores are empty after three days, when energy prices rise tenfold, when the dollar is worth nothing after hyperinflation? Simple questions to ask yourself.

There is nothing moderate, middle-of-the-road about Obama. When he spent his short time in the Senate, he was classified as the most liberal Senator there (when he wasn't voting present). If you believe Obama is a moderate, middle-of-the-road politician, then you either don't know much about politics or you don't care. Either way, it's not very helpful for you.

Obama's signature legislation, ObamaCare, is neither affordable nor true care. There isn't a business or analyst out there today that says it is going to accomplish what he declared (and fooled many of you into believing) it would do. There was a reason why he had to use 10 years worth of taxation and 6 years worth of benefits to make it look deficit neutral. Businesses today are looking to reduce their manpower below the 50 limit, or put many on part-time employment so that they can avoid the outlandish costs ObamaCare is going to inflict.

After all is said and done, and the costs have skyrocketed with this legislature, we find that the same number of people that were actually without care before the bill will be without care after the bill. And all the while, Obama touted coverage for your '26 year old' child, and pre-existing conditions.

I could go into these same details with each and every one of Obama's 'accomplishments' to date, but it is totally useless and unnecessary, if you haven't seen it by now. We appreciate your being here on this site and giving your point of view, but don't be surprised if you take a lot of flack when those views don't match reality much.

You do realize that the money you are talking about that you want to go to middle America actually comes from middle America, don't you. It isn't just a pile of dough sitting on the floor of Fort Knox.

The welfare roles grew primarily over the last four years because Obama's administration lessened the restrictions for getting it, giving people the option not to look for work if they chose not to (yet still remaining on the dole), giving illegals the opportunity to get more benefits (while not actually being qualified citizens), etc.

Add all that to the fact that his policies of strictor restrictions on businesses has given this recession an air of the Japanese 'lost decade', and caused it to be worse and far longer than it needed to be. Yeah, I'd say he was a big cause of the increase of the welfare state.

As to your thinking Romney would give 'gifts' to the wealthy, Obama's idea of taxing the wealthy right out of this country is going to work wonders on the employment ranks, don't you think? Try to get hired by a poor person sometime. As an example of the idiocy, raising the minimum wage will cause more minimum wage earners to be layed off and eventually, the minimum wage will be extremely high, but no one will be working to be able to get it.

thanks white531, I may not feel as strongly as you about the President but I appreciate your opinion.

Nicole, I appreciate you being here. Because you have decided, for your own reasons, to swim upstream. Having done that, don't backslide and try to support this man. He is the most worthless human being, to ever achieve the Presidency of the United States of America. History will prove that.

well, I promise I'm really not trying to ruffle feathers or bait people. I underst

You know Nicole this really isn't rocket science-if and that is a big IF if Obama really wanted to help the poor and downtrodden politically he would focus on them instead of trying to redo the entire American way of life. But that isn't his purpose-one only has to look back at history and see the similarities of him and other countries that are or were socialistic or communistic. So trying to "rationalize" or offer a possible explanation to his comments doesn't compare to what the man has done to hurt America over the last 4 years.

If you, or anyone you know, finds any articles dealing with the fraud (both voter and electronic), send them to me. I'm amassing a storyline here that I hope to break this wide open and I can use all the help I can get. I already have articles on Diebold, Sequoia, Scytl, and Dominion Voting Systems and I'm amassing the voting results in all the swing states to attempt to prove the connection with electronic fraud.

It has become a tiring but worthwhile project (and I have no guarantees to be successful) plus it won't change this past election. But my goal is to establish a secure election process for future elections that decent people on both sides of the aisle should want to have. Nobody can tell me that we can't have secure electronic voting process when we already have a secure ATM system with the banks that millions of people safely use every single day.

There is nothing worse than wasting a vote because someone else stole a counter-vote.