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Rand Paul pulled a Lindsey Graham and basically said he voted for Hagel to be SecDef because Obama won. Seriously:

BUZZFEED – Kentucky Senator Rand Paul said his support for a filibuster against Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel never meant that he would vote against Hagel’s confirmation.

“I voted no because I wanted more information and I think that part of what the Senate does is try to get information about the nominees,” Paul told reporters in the basement of the Capitol after Hagel’s confirmation Tuesday. “I’ve said all along that I give the president some prerogative in choosing his political appointees.”

“There are many things I disagree with Chuck Hagel on, there are many things I disagree with John Kerry on, there are very few things I agree with the president on, but the president gets to choose political appointees,” Paul said.

Asked if he ever got the information he wanted about Hagel, Paul said that he hadn’t.

MORE…

You can’t tell me that a man of principle is all of a sudden going to abandon those principles because “the president gets to choose political appointees”. That just doesn’t make sense.

This doesn’t bode well for Mr. Paul at all. I think he voted on his principles this time to be frank and after his last foreign policy speech, there’s just no way I could ever elect him to higher office.

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  • stage9

    Huh?

    If Hitler was appointed by the President would you give him a little latitude as well?

    What sort of stinking thinking is that?

    • Sober_Thinking

      We can’t use the word “thinking” with this at all… wussing out is more appropriate.

      He lost any vote I may have considered giving him in the future.

      We’re keeping score and Mr. Paul, you just went into the negative.

      • sharpley

        When is the GOP going to stop being a homeless shelter for Libertarians?

        • Gtrjag

          I have more in common with the Libertarians than I do with the GOP establishment.

          • sharpley

            Rand Paul is not GOP establishment. You have less in common with conservatives than with Libertarians. Just sayin’

            • Gtrjag

              I didn’t say Rand Paul was part of the GOP establishment. I would rather have Libertarian’s like Rand Paul than establishment types like Boehner, Rove, McCain, Bush, etc. It’s time for the true Conservatives and reasonable Libertarians to unite. We have more in common than we have differences. One thing to keep in mind, if we don’t get our debt under control we will lose military superiority anyway.

              • sharpley

                Good answer.

                I hope you will re-evaluate the Libertarians and military positions. Reasonableness will lead you away from the L’s.

                • Gtrjag

                  Not all Libertarians are complete isolationists. I do think that less intervention may sometimes be a good thing. Don’t forget that there were some “conservatives” that supported the uprisings in Egypt, Lybia, Syria, etc. We have to have a strategy for victory when we engage our military, and we have to have an understanding of who our enemy is. Some “Conservatives” don’t seem to comprehend that.

                • aposematic

                  Libertarians are NOT isolationists; they are anti-intervention in the internal affairs of other nations.

                • bornfreeamerican

                  What conservatives? We all said the President was getting into something he shouldn’t! Name me those conservatives.

                • Gtrjag

                  I did not mean the people on this site. I remember when the uprisings in Egypt and Libya first started, that there were alot of “Conservatives” who thought it was a good thing. Marco Rubio and many others in the Republican Party thought it was great that democracy was expanding to these Muslim countries. I hope that nobody thinks that I want a soft foreign policy. I know that if it were not for America’s military might this world would descend into chaos. But, we cannot be everywhere at one time. We cannot get involved in every humanitarian crisis. We must only act when our security and the Security of our allies are at stake, and we sure as hell have to stop arming and supporting our enemies. There are some libertarians who embrace this vision, and there are some who view the world as they wish it to be instead of the way it is.

                • bornfreeamerican

                  Obama acted alone….this was his and his idea alone! Obama did not have Senate or Congressional approval to invade Syria, Egypt…he acted alone on this.

                • B-Funk

                  I agree with Gtrjag and Aposematic. Libertarianism- in its truest sense- has room for all beliefs in that category. It appears that these two people and I agree that a strong military is a good thing, as an example.

              • famouswolf

                Reasonable libertarian?

                Oxymoron.

                Nuff said.

                • Gtrjag

                  Milton Friedman was a libertarian.

                • deTocqueville1

                  Rand Paul is no Milton Friedman!

                • Gtrjag

                  I didn’t say he was, but he is closor than most Republicans.

                • B-Funk

                  People are putting words in your mouth. I think that there are quite a few on here today who are aching for a fight, and will pounce on anyone they feel at odds with. Trouble is, we’re all on the same side- as you’ve said- true Libertarians and Conservatives.

                • bornfreeamerican

                  Ted Cruz!

                • sharpley

                  When is RS going to stop being a homeless shelter for Libertarians?

                  I lose interest in reading comments when it is full of naivete’

                • RobertMahoney

                  Let’s ask karl Rove what he thinks!

                • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Flintjer/1467538188 Mike Flintjer

                  What…and there’s such a thing as a Reasonable Conservative? Oh yeah, that’s right…a Reasonable Conservative IS a Libertarian.

                  Libertarians are all about letting people govern their OWN LIVES!! They are also anti-intervention…they don’t want the US Military to be used as the world’s police force…the Military was not originally designed to be that!!

                  If Republicans actually followed the Constitution, they’d find themselves being Libertarians.

                • Marco127

                  The Constitution provides for the Senate as a check on the President’s choice of disastrous nominees. Rand Paul justified his vote for Hagel by stating that he thinks the President deserves “some prerogative in choosing his political nominees,” but this is not what the Constitution says.

                  The Constitution does not insist on a rubber stamp – this is WHY we have checks and balances.

                  Rand Paul’s vote for Hagel yesterday demonstrates that he does not in fact completely support the Constitution.

                  It was a terrible, but deeply telling move by Paul, and I hope conservatives see by this that Libertarian does NOT mean constitutionalist.

                • famouswolf

                  Relax, Mike.

                  It was a joke, brought on by Rand Paul’s vote.

                  Actually, I agree with you…mostly. But regarding the military, these days we can’t afford a strict non intervention foreign policy. My stance is, as you say, follow the Constitution, not get bogged down in places like Afghanistan. But we do need to play ‘whack a mole’ here and there, from time to time.

                  Now, Libertarians get unreasonable when Israel comes into the discussion. IMO. and legalized marijuana is NOT a good idea and gay marriage is NOT a good idea. A few other things, maybe.

                  Yes, people most certainly do have a right to live their own lives, but there is a social contract that lets civilization function…that means no, you can’t just follow your whims with no repercussions and you do not have the right to imperil others by direct action (blowing your judgement with drugs) or indirect (allowing madmen to acquire nukes). Nor undermining the foundation of Western Civilization with a true oxymoron like gay marriage. (Just using that as an example, not inferring anything).

                  That said, I have a lot in common with you. Guns, free markets, live your own life. No problem. Some of the stuff I mentioned above, problem. Rand Paul, now a problem.

          • B-Funk

            I’m coming to think that I do as well. I know it’s been said a million times, but it’s so true: the GOP are just the Neville Chamberlains of our time.

          • mark1955

            I do to. The problem is, Rand and his father Ron, are just pretending to be Libertarians…They actually are members of the GOPe “Establishment”.

          • RobertMahoney

            The question is not when the GOP is going to quit being a homeless shelter for Libertarians, but rather, when are they going to quit subletting to the progressives.

          • Hologram5

            Agreed only without the non-intervention madness but for the most part absolutely. I’m tired of the status quo of these blowhard morons.

        • aposematic

          The GOP is in its end times. Hope the Libertarians that have been supporting those losers finally decide its time to let them finish themselves off. Now if the LP can just get their leadership out as well there may still be a chance to save our Constitutional Republic.

          • B-Funk

            Here’s hoping

        • http://www.facebook.com/Pathfinder82dAirborneDivision John Francis Russo

          When are the Libertarians going to stop wasting their vote on the republiCON RINO herd ?

        • TorchnPitchforks

          Only Libertarians are true constitutional conservatives. The GOP is nothing but a pathetic bunch of Neo-Cons, hardly different from the Neo-Comms!

      • OneThinDime

        He said the same about John Kerry.

        • Sober_Thinking

          See… again, I don’t get it. It’s so transparently obvious that all of this shills are worthless and totally unqualified for the job… just like Obama. So the new qualification for any position of power is to be a liberal boot-licker?

          I simply can’t apply reason or logic to any of this… they promote worthless, soulless, incompetent goobers… simply unbelievable.

          • OneThinDime

            I don’t get it either. He is a Libertarian (liberal-lite) who ran on the Republican ticket. That was enough for me. Run as who you are.

            • Gtrjag

              There is a vast difference between Libertarianism and modern Liberalism. Libertarians and Modern Conservatives are Classical Liberals. Modern Liberals are Socialists.

              • OneThinDime

                There is not a vast difference between Libertarians (liberal-lites) and Liberals, actually there is very little difference.

                • hbnolikeee

                  So Liberals want less government? Libertarians want less. Make a salient point and don’t merely fart onto a text box.

                • OneThinDime

                  Liberal-lites do not want less gov’t, they just want their own version of gov’t. They want open borders, no military and amnesty for illegal aliens. Who do you think will be needed to take care of 20-100 million illegals and their families? Yup, more gov’t.

                • B-Funk

                  Do you know what a Libertarian stands for? I’m sure there are some who may think that way, but they’re kidding themselves if they think they’re Libertarians. I ditto hbnolikeee. If you’re going to write things in here, make sure you know about them. I’m no expert on Libertarianism, but I know they’re just this side of anarchy, which is no gov’t. Liberal-lites are the GOP, friend.

                • OneThinDime

                  Pot-kettle black. You tell me I must make sure I know about something before writing here but you admit you don’t. Are there two sets of rules?

                • B-Funk

                  Apparently I can’t reply to your last comment for some reason.

                  No, there aren’t two sets of rules. I said I’m not expert on the subject, but I do know all about what you’re talking about. Secondly, you cannot back up what you’re saying because it’s untrue. It’s nothing personal, but you’ve been pwnd. Like I’ve said elsewhere, I assume you and I are essentially on the same side of the principles for the most part. There’s no reason to get crazy on Libertarians, because they essentially believe in the big principles that Conservatives believe in. I’d rather have the political landscape be run by those two groups than who we have now. Let’s put minor differences aside, and just get along to defeat the marxists and their sympathizers. Then we can go back to debating each other. In the meantime, I recommend brushing up on Libertarians. Not Alex Jones Libertarians, mind you.

                • OneThinDime

                  We ran out of comment space, a disqus thing. What I have seen of Libertarians, I do not care for. I find very, very little difference from liberals, mind you I said liberals not progressives. They were spoiled little brats during the 2012 election and part of the reason we have Obama destroying this country. For that, I shall NEVER forgive, nor shall I ever vote for one.

        • Mtncougar

          I doubt anyone will agree with me, but I think we should take what RPaul said at face valuek – he means it… that he believes the President has latitude in choosing his political appointees. There’s the snag. Libertarians and Republicans play fair and “by the rules.” That’s why we’re getting creamed.

          • OneThinDime

            I do take Rand Paul at his word. If here were potus, I believe he would behave like a dictator as well and shun the oversight responsibilities provided to the Senate.

    • Betsey_Ross

      Apparently it’s what happens when you go to Washington. Orrin Hatch has said the same thing about other nominees that he was voted for. I don’t understand the reasoning at all. One would think that they would want to be on record with their vote. Sigh. Right after he gave the government back $600,000 that he didn’t spend. Nothing makes sense anymore.

      • proverbs2611

        The whole confirmation hearing process is a spectacle where people can just barf out ridiculous tirades on how they’re opposed against someone they know full-and-well they’ll vote for. Out of curiosity, when’s the last time a nominee didn’t get approved?

        • Betsey_Ross

          Good point. It’s the way of the world in DC. I guess you have to be an ax murderer or something for them to not vote for you.

          • proverbs2611

            It just seems to me like the confirmation hearings are all for show and the real vote happens during behind closed-door wheeling and dealing.

            • deTocqueville1

              Well, the Dems never have a problem showing no respect to Republican nominees do they? Bork, Thomas, etc., etc.!

          • Marco127

            According to Rand Paul’s logic, in the end it seems he would have voted for an ax murderer, since “the President” gets “some prerogative in choosing his political appointees.”

        • B-Funk

          I forgot that. Good point.

        • cabensg

          When Bush wanted an appointee, that’s when and don’t forget Bork. Even if the person does get confirmed under a Republican the rest of his tenure is ridiculed and reviled for every decision.

      • stage9

        It makes sense when you know who his father is and what his warped view of Israel is.

      • mark1955

        Funny how the dems don’t ever say the same things about repub nominees do they? The dems fight “Tooth and nail” against every repub they put up there and don’t back off for anything. Tthis is classic “Good Cop/Bad Cop” between the dems and repubs all to push the dems agenda forward.

    • http://theoccidentalobserver.net/ traitorous-Rubio-plots-amnesty

      How long will white children be sacrificed for the pleasure of Jewish lobby? this is not left vs right, GOP vs Dems or Statism vs liberty.

      Love to all, hatred to no one, but why are hostile globalist elite supporting Israel as a Jewish ethnostate with Jewish only immigration, but turning white majority Europe and North America into a multi-ethnic multi-cultural Gulag with dystopian non-White colonization?

      Why do gullible Whites kowtow like puppies to hostile Jewish elite, who bleed White soldiers in suicidal wars, subvert our central banks, control our violence/sex saturated mass media, control our treasonous intelligence agencies, impose trillions in debt, plunder our wages?

      East Asia is 99% yellow, Africa is 99% Black, West Asia is 99% Brown. But 3rd world colonizers are annihilating Whites, just as Chinese colonizers are annihilating Tibet.

      “Native” Americans are not native. They invaded from East Asia. They massacred Solutrean White Europeans, who came first.

      White people should reject ethno-masochistic libertarianism and feminism. Love to all, hatred to no one, but Whites must unite and organize to advance their families, their fertility, their interests.
      http://www.toqonline.com/archives/v4n4/TOQv4n4MacDonald.pdf
      http://www.amazon.com/dp/0759672229

    • http://politicalknow.blogspot.com/ SheerPolitics

      The kind of thinking that shows that he has the same feelings about Israel as his dad….

  • c4pfan

    It showed he voted Nay. Have they done another vote for confirmation after that?

    • http://www.therightscoop.com/ The Right Scoop

      Just posted it in the other thread. He is a ‘Yea’

    • Patriot077

      He was a yes on the nomination but had voted against ending debate. Levin has both roll call votes posted on his site.

  • Sober_Thinking

    Traitors.

    • marketcomp

      Yeap!

  • Whats_a_matta_U

    why not join the democratic party if you can stand for what you believe in and have the cahunas to try and make a difference… what a bunch of sorry azz losers …

  • FutureOnePercent

    Why wouldn’t someone still vote no? If he has the votes, he has the votes, but you don’t need to do a damn thing to help them.

    • Marco127

      EXACTLY. Who was Paul appeasing? It certainly was not Tea Party conservatives. It was not even establishment Republicans, since even they were against Hagel. It is unlikely that he was giving in to the President since he has already demonstrated a willingness to stand up and stan firm (except this time) against Statism.

      The only remaining option I can see is 1) his own actual feelings about the nominee or 2) his Libertarian constituency … anyone see other possibilities?

  • WI4Walker

    WTH?

  • GaltLine

    Another Republican caver.

  • Rocco11

    If Obama told him to drop his pants, and grab his ankles, would he do it because Obama won? God help us..

    • Marridge

      God WILL help us if we ask Him. It is supposed to be this way in the End Times. Have faith.

      • KCWhatever

        Amen – We know God is always victorious – there are no exceptions. Satan has read Revelation, he knows how this movie ends ;)

    • KCWhatever

      No kidding – and to say “he won” is to surrender the Republic. What a spineless man.

  • Sober_Thinking

    He better abandon any thoughts of running for President now… most people hate flip-floppers… Romney knows that all too well now.

    • hbnolikeee

      And yet we have the flip flopper in chief as potus…

      • Sober_Thinking

        Ironic isn’t it?

        I think that’s partially why so many people are not able to stand that monster.

  • Rocco11

    They’re dropping like October flies folks, I think 3rd party is our only hope…

    • mark1955

      Agree 100% about a Third Party. As a-matter-of fact,i have stated many times before that I believe Ron and Rand Paul have been working for the GOPe,to pretend to be Libertarians and to be “On Call” so to speak, for the GOPe, to be available to run as either Third Party candidates or in the repub Primary in order to take votes away from any real Conservative in order to let the Establishment ( Bushie ) candidate win.

  • c4pfan

    I’m confused. They haven’t voted for confirmation until Monday.

    It shows here Rand voted NAY on cloture vote. So, what does this article mean?

    http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=113&session=1&vote=00023

    • Patriot077

      He voted not to end the debate thereby taking the nomination to a vote, but the yeas won.

      So when the the actual vote for nomination was held he voted yes because the prez gets to choose his appointees. Bye bye, Rand.

  • RefudiateGOPe

    I think my Senator blew it. With his logic, why even bother to vote to confirm? If he has any real aspirations for POTUS in the future, this will not help him. His reasoning is D-U-M-B.

  • Philo Beddoe

    Why didn’t he vote like his father always would vote?

    Ex: Paul Sr. would make sure the pork was being sent to his district, wait until the last second to see if the bill would pass then vote against it and complain about all the pork that is being spent in Washington.

    He came out looking like he was against spending but in reality was for it.

    • mark1955

      Perfect! You nailed it and that is exactly what his father Ron Paul would have done. That is why Ron Paul alway’s got to complain about “Earmarks”, then it turned out his Texas district was the leading recipient of Earmarks in congress.

  • http://twitter.com/metalchick007 Lisa Jones

    The Senators are there to Block the bad picks, WTF????

    • cabensg

      Yes they are. The whole idea was to vet any candidate put forward by a president. This the Democrats do wholeheartedly with venom and lies. Republicans not so much.

  • marketcomp

    What a hypocrit! So are you saying that you are just posturing holding up the nomination of Brennon for the CIA? This should tell all of us more about Rand Paul.

  • http://twitter.com/MBarris01 Lady Liberty
  • Rocco11

    The communist stole the election, so let’s adopt communism!

  • c4pfan

    wrong…he did vote for him!

  • c4pfan
  • deTocqueville1

    This is the same old double speak we have heard so often over the years. It is a huge problem for Paul. He is at least as ambitious as his father and will be doing this dance many times. Just watch.

    • c4pfan

      Him and Shelby were the only ones to vote for him, right?

      However, the GOP never was going to stop it anyway.

      • OneThinDime

        The fact that there were enough votes is not the point. The Senate is supposed to vet appointees and vote to protect Americans.

  • deTocqueville1

    Exactly. Ultimate rationalization.

  • deTocqueville1

    delete

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/KYTC7EGQASGOTQYPY2KPC4XCZY Don

    I will never vote for anyone who voted for Hagel. Kerry made a speech in Germany today as Secretary of State and attacked the stupidity of the Americans and actually had them laughing at our country. Obama won so its alright that we will be humilated on the world stage because of cowards who bent over for him. Rand/Grahamnesty saying Obama won excuses these fools in the administration and their anti-Americanism makes as much sense as Shrillary saying “whats the difference, they’re still dead.” Rand rationalizing like an adolescent child is nauseating.

    • mark1955

      Yes, the “Obama won” excuse for Rand and the rest of the repub Traitors voting for all of Obama’s NWO Rockefeller/Rotschild agenda. Funny isn’t it, but you don’t ever see the the dems voting for the repubs agenda ( Which actually is the same agenda as the dems ) and saying, “Why Bush won so we have to vote for it”. No the dems don’t do that do they? They just fight like Badgers and wolverines for every last scrap even when their in the minority. There is no excuse Rand other than Treasonous collaboration for your actions.

  • http://twitter.com/uncmetsgal Carmen P

    Republicans have no balls. Maybe except for Ted Cruz, and he’s only been there a few weeks, so I am going to assume that’ll change in a few months, too.

    The party is gone. The Limbaughs and Levins of the world (who I love more than ANY political hack) have to realize this fact. The RiNO’s are too entrenched, and there is no way for the conservatives to take the party back — if it couldn’t/didn’t happen with/after Reagan, it never will – which means it’s time for a 3rd Party.

    I would rather lose fighting for my principles than fighting the establishment in a futile attempt to wrestle away control of a dead party.

    • OneThinDime

      The illegal alien amnesty will seal the deal, just look at McAmnesty at the townhall telling AZ residents the illegals voting will not harm the GOP.

    • PhillyCon

      They have lost the will to fight (much like the French in WWII). Instead, they make up excuses like, “we have 1/3 of the government” and “obama won.” They look for ways not engage in the Left.

      • mark1955

        It’s because the repubs are all lefties! They are trying to help the dems pass this agenda because it is their agenda also. The repubs haven’t “Lost the will to fight”.They have been Treasonously and collaboratively, pushing the Rockefeller/Rotschild NWO One World Government agenda together together with the dems. That is their joint aim and goal while the repubs PRETEND to be against it.

  • DCGere

    He’s toast in my book.

    • marketcomp

      Yeah, he should have been toast at containment.

  • marketcomp

    He voted Nay to close debate. But Yay to confirm as Secretary of Defense. It’s illogical and incoherent but I find many things that Rand Paul does illogical and incoherent.

    • PhillyCon

      That’s interesting.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/KYTC7EGQASGOTQYPY2KPC4XCZY Don

    Rand dropping his pants and grabbing his ankles would be a treat for him after making a complete lying fool out of himself. The republicans are pathetic lying coward. Without a third party, this country is finished. Rand is yesterday’s garbage.

  • G_unitttt

    i completely agree RScoop!
    no way i could ever vote for him in a Repub primary

  • proudhispanicconservative

    It’s becoming more evident every day that this guy is just like his father. I will predict right now that this guys going to do just what his Father did which is cost the Republicans the presidency, The sad part is that he’s using conservatism to advance his Libertarian-only to help demoncrats agenda.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/KYTC7EGQASGOTQYPY2KPC4XCZY Don

      If the RINOs cannot comprehend that without Conservatives, they will never win another election then they are dumb as a box of rocks. Romney losing like he did to the biggest anti-American pathologial liar in our history remnoves all doubt of that.The Tea Party is learning that the difference between the two parties is in name only. Think third party as no matter which party we have now wins, its the same result.

  • Myptofvu

    I just don’t get it. These politicians know we are looking for those who will stick to their principals yet they fold time and time again.

    Do they not realize that each time they do this we feel like they have spat in our face?

    Its hard to stand in someones corner once you’ve been spit upon but it seems that that thought never even occurs to them.

  • OneThinDime

    This doesn’t bode well for Mr. Paul at all. I think he voted on his principles this time to be frank and after his last foreign policy speech, there’s just no way I could ever elect him to higher office.

    Ding, ding, ding, we have a winner!

  • http://twitter.com/super_mario_21 Mario Leone

    Really people? Rand is the most conservative senator we have. There was a time when the conservative movement stood against endless intervention.

    • aposematic

      Well I will say there are a handful more conservative than Rand but that still puts Rand in the top tier. In reality that’s not saying much though. This stuff on confirmations is rediculus. The Senate is for advise and consent to prevent bad appointees like Hagel from getting positions of power, not to be a rubber stamp. And Rand, like so many others, is bad on amnesty too.

  • Susan Christopher

    This guy just got back from Israel…stood at The Wall!!! What a rat!!! He is an anti-semite just like his old man! He is FINISHED in my book! He will NEVER be president!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/KYTC7EGQASGOTQYPY2KPC4XCZY Don

      I think what Rand did was what they call “political suicide.” The Hagel vote should end a lot of RINO political careers. If it doesn’t then Conservatism is really dead. If we continue to swallow the lying swill from those like Rand, then we deserve what we get. Until they know their lies don’t work, why should they change? The damage caused to this country by Kerry and Hagel may never be changed.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=713128173 Willem Boom

    Screwed himself permanently.

    • notsofastthere

      Screwed America permanently.

  • OneThinDime

    Rand Paul has shown more of his colors. He would want no challenges to his appointees if he was ever potus, thus behaving like a dictator.

  • Army_Pilot1967

    Blah…blah…blah….the president won the election so if he wants to fill cabinet posts with dingbats and unqualified losers, that’s his prerogative according to Rand Paul. That might be a great way to run a railroad, but to run a country?????? I don’t think so.

    • Marridge

      President Dipsh*t is choosing people that he thinks will help him destroy the country in the fastest way possible.

      • StrangernFiction

        Which is why letting a complete buffoon like Hagel through is not the problem (the more incompetent the Marxist regime the better), it’s Paul’s inability to speak the truth.

  • PhillyCon

    Ugh. Mark Levin had a great monologue about this specific argument. He used Chuck (U) Schumer as an example during the Bush years. This guy could care less if Bush won or not, he blocked many of Bush’s judicial appointees.

    What does “our side” do in the same situation? Capitulate, mostly b/c they are afraid of the Obama PR machine/MSM.

    The Left is playing on a whole different level. The small ball of the Republicans is wearing thin. They are a joke.

    • mark1955

      It’s not weakness or stupidity on the repubs part,but Treasonous collaboration. The repubs could have virtually stopped all of Obama’s agenda, including Obamacare in committee, but they alway’s seem to get atleast one repub at the last minute to pull Obama’s fat out of the fire and push his ( Rockefeller/Rotschilds ) NWO goals ahead. That’s not an accident.

      • cabensg

        Whether its stupidity,weakness or actual collaboration it is treason.

  • Amjean

    I like Rand Paul still and am willing to give me the benefit of the doubt.

    In the grand scheme of things, Obama was going to put in place his own people
    regardless of what the repubs did. I think Rand Paul is wise to pick his
    battles. Because Obama is such a lying tool, out to destroy our country in
    the name of Agenda 21, it would be easy to vote against everything Obama wants.
    However, then one gets labeled as such.

    I think Rand Paul is pragmatic. He has said that a president should be allowed
    to pick his own cabinet (and that IS how it has been done). What Paul would
    do then is keep a close eye on that person and what they do or do not do in
    that position. Paul knew that both Kerry and Hagel would be confirmed
    regardless of whether he voted yes or no.

    Rand Paul stood up for what HE believes. If he had pandered to the cries
    of “vote no” just for show, I wouldn’t have liked that at all.

    I want to know who these people are. Most of them wear so many masks
    (Chris Christie) that it is difficult to tell.

    I like this about Rand Paul with a qualifying “thus far”.

  • maynardb50

    Like son, like father. Like Hagel and Obama, they have a “hate on” for Israel and Jews.

  • PhillyCon

    I also wonder if Rand Paul felt the heat from the Paul supporters.

  • LdyDesign

    I agree with you RS….I could never vote in a presidential primary for this man. It seems so simple. Either Hagel is or is not qualified to be Secretary of Defense. What is it that makes these politicians throw out their principles when they get to Washington? I wonder if Ted Cruz could explain it.

  • Cindy09

    That’s exactly what his fan base wanted!!

    • John_Frank

      No, he got a lot of flack from his supporters for his earlier vote against cloture; and he voted against cloture this time as well.

      • Cindy09

        I believe that Rand Paul had made an effort to understand Israel but ultimately his views line pretty much with those of his father’s. Yes, some of his supporters (possibly from the Tea Party) were not happy with his vote against cloture but in the grand scheme of things, by his move today, he “inherits” his father’s fan base – “the other fans”. He just gave them credibility.

        Again this is huge because there’s only two Republicans that went for Hagel, and Paul is one of them!

        • John_Frank

          (possibly from the Tea Party)

          No. The people who kicked up a fuss about Rand Paul’s initial vote against cloture were Ron Paul activists.

          Ron Paul supporters denounce Rand Paul for Hagel vote
          http://dailycaller.com/2013/02/14/ron-paul-supporters-denounce-rand-paul-for-hagel-vote/#ixzz2KvTAiOU7

          Again this is huge because there’s only two Republicans that went for Hagel, and Paul is one of them!

          No. Four Republican Senators voted to confirm Hagel, including Rand Paul.

          The other three were Cochran (MS), Johanns (NE), and Shelby (AL).

          • Marco127

            Correct, John. The Tea Party is something very different from the Libertarian Party. Important distinction.

            Many Libertarians support the Tea Party, but the radical non-interventionism (i.e. even when it affects our national security) aspect of Libertarianism is unconstitutional and therefore not conservative or Tea Party. In other words, that idea belongs to Libertarians and does not carry over as a “Tea Party” ideal.

  • johnos2112

    This is what Libertarians do in regards to defending this country. What else would you call it?

    • aposematic

      How many of the R’s that voted for cloture were Libertarians…just wondering, not! Sometimes those anti-libertarian anything just need to think before they speak/write. Rand Paul does not claim to be a Libertarian for starters…just saying…

      • stage9

        Maybe, but the apple doesn’t fall far from the senility tree.

      • johnos2112

        Well he acts like one.  Why else would you let and anti semite, Iranian appeaser go through the process AND just say well Obama won and he can pick who he wants.  We have a constitution that allows for potential LEADERS like Paul to stand up to Obama the jackass.  This is not leadership quality when you bend over and grab the ankles!

  • Stehekin912

    Beset and betrayed on all sides

    edit: decided not to edit.

    • Marridge

      Everyone make your displeasure known to the GOP and change your party affiliation. Become a democrap in name only so at least we can screw up their primaries. But make sure the GOP understands we are done with them.

  • proverbs2611

    Looks like he’s Ron’s son after all. Guess (like his father) he’ll be running for president every 4 years, losing the conservative vote, yet stealing primary votes from any promising non-establishment-backed candidates. Thanks Randy.

    Where’s our 3rd Party!?!?!

    • Cindy09

      Exactly my thoughts!!! He just shredded the authority that the Tea Party afforded him! Bye bye, Rand Paul!

      • OneThinDime

        Rubio did as well. I’m seeing some skuttle on Twitter about SC’s disappointment in Trey Gowdy lately too.

        • mark1955

          Now after all this, can we convince Mark Levin that it is time for a Third Party?

    • mark1955

      Yes! Couldn’t have said it better myself.

  • Marridge

    Since we cannot rely on any Republican in Washington, I would encourage people here to keep their faith in God. He will take care of us if we ask Him and He will take care of Israel too. Believe!!

    • exodus2011

      so far the Texas Cruz Missile is holding the line

  • sickandtired

    OK, Paul….who got to you? We all know how Chicago politics work

    • TexasPGRRider

      Good question…Good point….

  • notsofastthere

    The friend of my enemy, is my enemy. Rand likes Hagel, Obama likes Hagel. At least I now know Rand Paul is my enemy within.

  • Rocco11

    I never really liked this guy anyway, his voice is too whiney…

  • hramirez18

    libertarian who voting for the Patriot Act now vote for this inept, but first vote for Kerry. Open your eyes my friends, this is a million times worse than his father. Now if Republicans have two good options, a RINO (Rubio) or a DIRTBAG (Paul).

  • NamWarrior

    I was beginning to think you were a man of pricipal. You’re just like the rest of them and a disappointment. Chuck Hagel is no more qualified to be SECDEF than he was when he was in Vietnam.

  • http://twitter.com/Jack_Plisken Snake Plisken

    Wow, what a disappointment.

    • OneThinDime

      But not unexpected. He said the same thing when he voted to confirm John the Lurch Forward Kerry

  • exodus2011

    I’m afraid this pro-Hagel vote takes you out of the Conservative mainstream Rand Paul …. and I think it will cost you, wrt POTUS ambitions

    I suspect that deep down, you are not really opposed to Hagel’s attitude to Israel

    Looking at your history, you have only said/done enough to stay within Conservative mainstream thought bounds, wrt issue of Support for Israel

    We’ll see how you do in March straw poll – you have been 2nd with 16% to Madame Steel Spine’s 64% up until now …

    • deTocqueville1

      Exactly Exodus.

    • M_Minnesota

      Rand Paul voted against a country that produced the Old and New Testaments. Documents that our Founders looked to for inspiration in forming our government.

      Palin/West 2016 If the Lord Tarries…..

    • misterlogic0013

      you tell him = put a fork in him hes done ..

    • mark1955

      The great thing about all of this is, it’s better that we have found out now about Rand ( Though I haven’t trusted him since at least the Presidential Primary season ) Instead of toward the end of a Third Party run or repub primary when we have staked our hopes on him, only to find Rand cutting a deal with the GOPe selling his soul. Like he did with MITTEN’S during the 2012 Primary.

  • CommieJuice

    Why vet them? Why waste time on hearings? Why even have hearings or a process to confirm them if El Presidente appoints whoever he wants to whatever position he wants? Rand Paul lost a lot of my respect with this pathetic John Roberts sounding garbage!

    • Stehekin912

      Roberts the Rat now joined by Rand the Rat

      • OneThinDime

        Hey I like that “Rand the Rat”!

    • Marco127

      Yes, it was the same argument as Roberts made.

  • honestynow

    Oh, gosh. Now who’s left? Cruz alone?
    Where are you Dr. Ben Carson?

    • OneThinDime

      What do you know about Dr. Ben Carson? I listened to both the prayer breakfast speech (don’t let anyone kid you, Obama knew exactly what he was going to say) and Hannity. When he was asked who he supported in 2008 and 2012 he wouldn’t give an answer but from what he did say, I wonder if he bought into the 2008 Hope and Change.

      • exodus2011

        yes, avoiding that answer was peculiar …. this Dr has rhetoric …but, what about a RECORD?

        listen to his ideas on Healthcare reform – they aren’t fully market-based, patient-centered

        he should be asked if he supports FULL REPEAL and then replace

        and exactly what his idea of ‘replace’ would be

        • Marco127

          Actually, Dr. Carson’s proposition on healthcare is indeed market-based and patient centered. Let people save for their own healthcare, unharrassed by government. Let employers contribute voluntarily to a person’s (tax free) health savings account – (instead of comprehensive insurance). In other words, let people choose to purchase low cost catastrophic (private) insurance for themselves, and then pay their doctors a-la-carte. Cuts out middleman and allows price competition to naturally push costs down and quality up. For the poorest of the poor, government can contribute to their health accounts and then these folks will still have a finite amount of money to work with and will need to be stewards of their health expenses (i.e. – don’t go to the ER for every sniffle).

          This is the exact opposite of what Obamacare has done, and it is what we should have done instead of Obamacare from the very start.

          People accumulate money in their HSAs when young and healthy, use as needed all along the way, and it is THEIR money so they can pass along unused portions (after taxes at that point, I would imagine) to heirs at their death.

          • exodus2011

            Do you know if he has been asked the Q about whether he favors full repeal, and then replace?

            • Marco127

              Don’t know if he’s been asked that directly, but it would be impossible to do such a thing without full repeal. Obamacare is calculated to drive every private insurer out of business and to drive every American into the arms of government with no choice remaining. What Dr. Carson proposed is the anti-Obamacare … it is about as far in the other direction as possible.

              But yes, I (and most Americans) agree with you that full repeal is absolutely essential. It is disgusting how many billions of our tax dollars will have been wasted in starting implementation of Obamacare so far, but whatever the cost we need to get out before it is too late to reverse.

  • TexasPGRRider

    I`m no longer curious about the qualifications of Hagel. There has to be more going on here…..

  • Gtrjag

    Are you going to vote for Rubio? His foreign policy is worse than Paul’s. Unless someone like Rick Perry or Alan West runs Ran Paul is my man. This vote was not the end of the world. If Hagel did not get the nomination someone equally bad would.

    • OneThinDime

      It’s 2013 for goodness sake. There is a mid-term election in 2014 to worry about before 2016.

  • nibblesyble

    Washington is a vile, corrupt hole of darkness and I have stopped believing that any person with convictions can go into it without becoming as dark as the hole. Hollywood is no longer the only wasteland of souls, Washington has taken the lead!

    • OneThinDime

      Do we know if Rand Paul had convictions to begin with?

      • mark1955

        There you go. You got it Right. Not only Rand,but I believe all of the repubs went to D.C. as corrupt NWO lefties to begin with. They were just pretending to be Tea Party Conservatives during their Primary and general election campaigns. There is no way in heck,that you get bought off and turned this quickly as all the supposed Tea Party people have been. Normal run-of -the mill greed and avarice does not explain the constant capitulation of the repubs. If that was the case, someone no matter how corrupt they are, would have stepped forward among the repubs and stopped at least one part of Obama’s agenda. But they have not. Why? Because as I mentioned initially, they all came to Washington to start with as Traitorous, NWO Rockefeller/Rotschild Lefties, bent on helping to undermine and destroy the United States of America from the inside, inorder to achieve a One World Government, marxist/islamist slave state. Nothing else explains this.

    • StrangernFiction

      Americans will separate from DC or be slaves. It’s that simple.

    • exodus2011

      so far, the Texas Cruz Missile has held the line, and taken plenty of flak … with nonchalance …

      **__**

      • nibblesyble

        True, he is a ray of hope!

      • Marco127

        If Ted Cruz keeps on this trajectory and keeps his core of conviction, he will be eventual presidential material without a doubt.

  • notebene

    Hey Rand…ever hear of “checks and balances”?! I’m not talking about your checkbook, you idiot! It is your job as a Senator of the US to balance the power of the now Dicataor in Chief! I will never call that evil mongrel President…nor will you EVER get my vote for that position either! You are weak and you are obvious lacking in a clear understanding of basic civil duties required of your office. Both you and your father are a disgrace to this nation and the people you were voted to serve!

    • OneThinDime

      Maybe he’s more focused on gay marriage and legalizing pot!

  • edsmanedup

    I hope Paul is watching these Posts!!! Because if you are Senator.., Your FREAKING TOAST!!! The tea is alive and WELL!!!

    • Stehekin912

      And meanwhile, he no longer deserves to stand in front of the TEA Party backdrop.

  • ernst1776

    I’m just not surprised or disappointed anymore.

  • GSR

    It’s not a terrible thing that Paul did. President’s do get to choose their appointees barring someone who is wholle unqualifired.

    Besides, Obama is the real Sec of Defense. Sec of State. Sec of HHS, etc, etc, etc.

    • Gtrjag

      I agree, but I would say that someone with Hagel’s views on Israel is unqualified. The Problem is that Obama has the same view as would anyone else he would appoint. I would have voted no, but I understand his decision. I still think Ran Paul is one of the most principled people on capital hill, and I wish we had 99 more just like him.

      • aposematic

        Used to have to use two hands to count the principled and having character, now I find it difficult to fill one hand.

    • aposematic

      Hagel fits that wholly unqualified category.

  • http://www.facebook.com/swpaint02 Leigh Ann Martin

    The last nail in the coffin. So, are all the Paul supporters going to justify this one?

    • aposematic

      No!

    • Amjean

      I don’t support anyone for president yet, however, I admit I have Rand
      Paul at the top of my list currently. His vote doesn’t bother me like
      it does some people (what an uproar!)because it was an honest vote. Rand
      Paul has stated all along that he had questions about Hagel (that were
      asked by Rand Paul, however, never really answered), however, he thought
      that it was a president’s right for the most part to pick his cabinet.
      What I found disturbing is the number of republicans who didn’t say
      one word for or against the nomination, then voted “no” for political reasons. That style of politician grates my nerves. Voted “no” because
      they were told to vote that way more than likely.

      Rand Paul is perhaps smart enough to know that Obama’s second choice might
      be worse than the first. Just like with Kerry. These positions are not
      isolated from the president’s directives. Both Kerry and Hagel will do exactly what Obama tells them to do. He told Hillary to keep on a world wind tour, out of the White House, and that is what she did. Does anyone
      think that she ran anything?

  • sharpley

    I bet a dollar that Paul voted Yea because he thinks he is gonna be next Pres. and so that the Dems will vote for all his nominees.

    What a putz!

  • Cindy09

    Now, who was the last RINO that said “Obama won”?

    Your line is pathetic, Mr Paul!

  • jleinf

    Hey Rand, no info equals not votey. I’m sensing a future rino in the works.

  • mcgonagall

    So, 51% of the people voted for the Prez. That means 49% DID NOT. He gets to choose his appointees, but if they are bad for the country, it’s the Senate’s DUTY to try to stop him and let him pick someone more suitable. If you cannot stand up for what you believe is right on a simple thing like an appointee, then what can you be trusted with?

  • LIBERTYUSA

    …forever a SENATOR .”(period)

  • Debra Chamberlin

    This is wonderful news, in so far as this particular tea party favorite has been exposed for the sell-out he is. Now we know without doubt who the real Rand Paul is. This is also the same man who only weeks ago stated that Republicans need to “evolve” their thinking on amnesty and basically get on board with the globalist, progressive agenda. Libertarians are liberals at heart. Thank you, Sen. Paul, for the lesson.

    Really. Can we be surprised? After all, Rand Paul’s own father, Ron Paul, never saw a Jew he didn’t blame for the world’s woes.

    • mark1955

      Correct! This is the “silver lining” in this. At least we found out about how Rand is just another duplicitous, establishment RINO,before we became invested in him emotionally as a possible change agent Presidential candidate.

  • FreeManWalking

    Well said Scoop!

    I am at or very close to point of apathy. I haven’t seen evidence of conservatism in the GOP since Reagan and Newt were in office. I know there are some but they are just over powered by moderates in the party.

  • http://www.theconservativevoices.com/ dmacleo

    i wondered about this one. and I also wonder if hagel will be so bad that it creates a backlash. the combo of kerry and hagel is bound to hurt.
    I am on the fence about rand paul, not committing myself yea or nay regarding him yet.
    but I am watching.

  • http://www.facebook.com/neilf72 Neil Flagg

    It’s the Paul way: pander to the right, vote both ways on everything, embrace potheads and anarchists, and lump military aid to Israel, the only beachhead for freedom in a world of tyranny, together with foreign aid to Togo. Sickening, these people. And mark my words, Marco Rubio will prove himself to be no better.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/GEXPRDETL4L3JER3HWCFONRXA4 allen

    Too bad, thought he was a conservative too- boy RINO’s everywhere and I thought we had a good senator with this one- maybe arm twisting by his pop?

  • http://black-avenger-1.livejournal.com/profile VirusX

    I never liked ANY Paul. They’re a cursed breed. Randy talked a lot of crap, and when the rubber met the road, played his own punk card. **** Rand Paul.

  • Watchman74

    Just when I was starting to like Rand Paul…

  • geoff feller

    What you guys don’t get is…Obama won a second term. In direct opposition to what you guys wanted. Same thing applies to his appointee choosing. You see, he picked the exact opposite of what you nut jobs wanted. On purpose. Get it? Now sit down and shut up.

    • notebene

      We aren’t nutjobs, troll. We are the honest, hard working tax payers, who are watching the Imposter, you voted for, destroy our nation and our future. We’ll see how proud you are of your accomplishments as your taxes grow and your paycheck or job ceases to cover your expenses. We’ll see how you like that “free healthcare” when you can’t get the care your lib senator gets because it’s bare bones and expensive for you and great for him/her. You have no clue what you actually won, because you are ignorant of how great your country once was. Now it’s joining the fascist, looserville you helped create. Enjoy working hard at your job to bring home less pay? You think government is the answer…take a look at how that worked out for Europe. It didn’t. So gloat…at least I know who the real looser is…you will weep when you find out it’s actually you.

    • wallwatchman

      Wow, we know who you are! Why are u wasting your time here when u obviously don’t believe like most on this site. You’re wasting our time too! Not anymore.

      • geoff feller

        Nice try wallwatchman, but you have no idea. You’re right though, I don’t believe like the closed-minded, fox news educated, middle and upper class elites on this site that have already had their chance to make it in this life and now want to withhold all those benefits from the less fortunate because the rich guys don’t want to pay more..

        • wallwatchman

          It’s a free country, for now anyway! You have as much chance as anyone to make a good living. The only one making it harder is your government! They TAKE your money, using fear of monetary penalties or jail if you don’t pay it. Businesses don’t make you buy from them. They don’t get your money unless they have something you want and are WILLING to pay for it.

          There is crony capitalism, but again, your government is up to their necks in that world!! Stop making your fellow citizens responsible for your welfare and happiness. Make your own money and stop demanding it from others. And if you’re having a hard time doing that, look at yourself first, and then look at your greedy gov next. They’re the ones in your way, not us!

    • mark1955

      http://obamavoterfraud.blogspot.com/ Obama didn’t win anything. He stole the election through Massive Voter Fraud.

      • geoff feller

        Oh, site references and proof by linking to a nutjob website? Nice. That’ll convince ‘em.

  • Diogenes_wy

    There could be a 2014 strategy in play here. The only thing Obama ‘owns’ are his cabinet picks. If this current unholy trio of idiots hold true to form, the administrations dislike of Israel will come to full bloom. This might be enough for the Jewish faction in the Democratic party to decide to give the Republicans the Senate in order to put a collar on the administration in regards the middle-east. Remember, Glen Beck managed to get Van Jones ousted all by his little lonesome.
    Also, imagine how bad it will be for Obama if he has to spend a majority of his political capital and time covering for and bailing out these idiots when they screw up everything.
    Take heart and remember: Time heals all wounds and this administration is on its last leg.

  • xthred

    LULZ

  • misterlogic0013

    Rand Paul / not a Tea Party backer .. authentic Tea Party backers do not do this .. would Sarah Palin ? NO .. tea party express go to you know where .. fake tea party boy = latest failure, more to come .. now do you know why Sarah stayed out ? her time to get in coming ..

    • M_Minnesota

      West would stand by Israel.

      Palin/West 2016

      If the Lord tarries.

  • geoff feller

    Hey notebene, you’ll see my friend, and I say friend, that this WHOLE WORLD is going this way and there will be very little that you can do about it. Christ said so. Honey.

  • aposematic

    Bye bye Rand… R’s folding like the cheap suits they are! Hey Rand, the Senate confirmation process is advice and consent to prevent a rogue POTUS like Obuma from putting rogue appointees like Hagel in positions of power, you are not supposed to be a rubber stamp…

  • Howzah123

    Rand Paul = just another sellout

    • M_Minnesota

      “It would be an honor to be Mitt’s Veep” -Rand Paul

  • louisiana_mom

    I don’t remember any Democrats in 2004 saying Bush won so we should give him what he wants! Why do the Republicans think they have to give Obama what he wants because he won?

    • http://twitter.com/daviddoozy David Doozy

      Hagel is a Republican, appointed by a Democrat. He questions the wisdom of our US-Israeli relations a little. He has mentioned cutting defense a little. What is the problem? This used to be called a real and a smart Republican. For the record, 90% of Jewish Americans vote Democrat. Duh. So in another decade or so, the GOP will be driven to the dustbin of history by the far Right. All this for so-called “principles”. Yeah, right. Why don’t you form your own party?

      • louisiana_mom

        If you don’t stand on your principles you will fall for anything. I will not put my principles aside for anyone. I am not going to surround my wagon around anyone who claims to be Republican simply because they have an R behind their name… Republicans use to be the party of “principles” but lately they seem to have forgotten that and want to adopt all the Democrats platforms. Makes me sick. If a third party would start, I would join it in a heart beat!

  • http://www.facebook.com/sheryl.hancock.58 Sheryl Hancock

    He’s becoming more like his father every day. Anti-Istrael, pro-Iran. Won’t take the high road on moral issues because we should not be voting about them. That might be right, but if we are, can’t you vote as a true Christian, as you say you are?

  • z b

    He voted for him because just like his father, he does not care about foreign policy. He agrees with Obama on this one.

  • http://twitter.com/InaudibleNoise InaudibleNoise

    The apple doesn’t fall far from the tree.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1396855720 Brian Jones

    Color me shocked…

  • http://www.facebook.com/IsabelM.Matos Isabel Matos

    To all YOU RAND PAUL Cheerleaders and Recycled Ron Paul fans who cannot be reasoned with, looking to start an insurrection within the GOP. I have news for you! RAND PAUL is a RHINO! He is an insider acting like an outsider, one who only FOOL or dupes would believe. A PHONY! Drop the 2016 signs immediately!

    GO MARK LEVIN!

    R.I.P. G.O.P.!
    http://beforeitsnews.com/opinion-conservative/2013/02/mark-levin-goes-nuclear-over-mullah-hagel-2588906.html

  • TMZ2

    Rand Paul is a traitor. But so was Allen West when he voted for Boehner’s debt ceiling plan in 2011. Of the two I’ll take West. He was far above others despite that vote. Fraud cost him the re-election win. I support West/Palin for 2016.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Carolyn-Dixon/100000062171632 Carolyn Dixon

      I like Sarah and the dr Ben carson

  • http://www.facebook.com/richard.drakos Richard Drakos

    Rand, I am disappoint!

  • TMZ2

    I would love to end the government for good. Then start over. I think we need a do-over.

    • M_J_S

      What do you think we are all doing stockpiling for? This ain’t Christmas brother!

      • TMZ2

        It is 1776 time again.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000957596464 Paul Kieser

    senator i am not happy with your vote. strike 1

  • StrangernFiction

    What Paul should have said is: “anybody Obama appoints is going to harm America, but even a Marxist POTUS has to have a cabinet,” or something to that effect. I would have respected that.

    • Amjean

      Rand Paul did say “something to that effect”.

  • David Msg ret

    Washington D.C. city of eunuchs and fecklessness

  • james1051

    Fail, big fail

  • http://twitter.com/1RandiStarr Randi Starr

    Good thing Attila the Hun is dead I guess. Because Obama would damn sure appoint him.

  • http://twitter.com/marmo6743 marmo

    WOW I AM EXTREMELY DISAPPOINTED. AND YES I AM YELLING. what is he thinking. hagel is another islamist sympathizer..anti semetic. i received a call for donations for the rep party. i am almost as frustrated with them as i am obama. somebody must be paying them off.. 50 % of the american people are frustrated. now lets see what happens with the sequestration,,, they’ll probably cave on that too… obama wanted it in 2011 so let him have it.

  • Maxsteele

    What was this so called information that he voted no to receive? Since they held up the nomination I have not heard of one single shred of information that Hagel has released?
    So basically it was just grand standing by these spineless politicians who have a façade of ethics. Is there a single politician that has any scrotum or code of ethics. They are all one big grey mass of liars. There is no such thing as a Democrat or Republican anymore just a massive group of the “keep the gravy train running” party.

  • MadAsHellJack

    I SAY BULLDUNG!

    I wanted to say something else but that lil moderator Gal would mooderate me. :) Too bad Charlie Manson ain’t a political appointee (roll eyes) or Jim Jones, or Attila The Hun or Joe Stalin or Mao or Lucifer.

    Well what I thought was the last conservative standing has now fallen.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZVCGRG62NAGQXJ6ZNE4JCTVVTU Ray

    This is very disappointing. Reagan won and what did they do to a good man’s reputation during the Bork nomination, and he did not get seated.

  • virginiagentleman1

    And this man wants to be president? NEVER! Cowardly and spineless jellyfish!
    Rand Paul has proved today that right along with the democrats, republicans have sold their HONOR as well, for political expedency.

  • virginiagentleman1

    And this man wants to be president? NEVER! Cowardly and spineless jellyfish!
    Rand Paul has proved today that right along with the democrats, republicans have sold their HONOR as well, for political expedency.

    • poljunkie

      VG- How’d it go yesterday?

      I saw a few of your comments from CP. Are you still having troubles logging in? Last night I was having difficulities with Disqus in general. I would be typing a comment and then a white box would cover part of the comment box. ( Here on RScoop) I restarted the computer, logged in/out…but it still happened. Strangely enough, it would allow be to continue writing the comment- in a disjointed fashion, and then Disqus would format it.

      Hope all is well.

  • chatterbox365

    What a lame excuse. How about voting for the best interest of our country Rand Paul.

    We now have two traitors serving in the cabinet. Why not just appoint Hanoi Jane as the White House Press Secretary.

  • chatterbox365

    What a lame excuse. How about voting for the best interest of our country Rand Paul.

    We now have two traitors serving in the cabinet. Why not just appoint Hanoi Jane as the White House Press Secretary.

  • PatriotInk

  • atlas007

    Libertarians are Liberals in many things. We need people like Sarah Palin and Ted Cruz….good, solid Conservatives

  • atlas007

    Rand is as nutty as Ron. I’m a Palin/Reagan Conservative. Palin/Cruz 2016.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Carolyn-Dixon/100000062171632 Carolyn Dixon

      Sarah and dr Ben carson

  • NJK

    This was an irresponsible and horrible thing to do to our soldiers and America. I’m stunned he would do something like this.

    Betrayal: Names of Republican Traitors on Hagel Vote
    http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_AQL44D6ZYDWZFFEUHUB6OSAJ2Q Brian

    We are running out of choices. And running out of parties.

  • PVG

    I’m with RS, done with Rand!

    • mark1955

      Done with the GOP also. Someone convince Mark Levin. No more repub party. It is beyond hope!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Henry-Thoreau/100000716315586 Henry Thoreau

    Go F Yourself Rand. Sellout POS.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Adam-Coulter/100002279352990 Adam Coulter

    Rand Paul abandon his conservative roots today and voted for Hagel most of the GOP establishment voted Nay on Hagel which is pretty good because I thought they had caved but the establishment didn’t give in on this one …

  • mark1955

    No Excuse Rand! Your starting to use Weasel words. You climbed on MITTEN’S bandwagon earlier than you had to instead of fighting for every last scrap until MITTEN’S was officially nominated at the convention, now this. Things are starting to add up against you Rand. I’m one of those people Rand, who believe you and your father Ron before you, have been tasked by the GOPe, to carry on a libertarian façade and to alway’s be available to run or President,either in the repub party or as Independents, in order to cut into the votes of any real Conservative, to allow the latest GOPe milquetoast to win. Your father Ron,came to MITTEN’S rescue in the Debates every time someone started taking it to MITTEN’S. That was not a coincidence. Also, while your father constantly talked against Earmarks,it turned out his Texas District was the biggest recipient among republicans. I think the reason your Father retired, was because after the 2012 Primary, people were starting to catch on to his “Act” and Ron just simply passed the baton off to you or the GOPe. You run Third Party for President and we are just going to assume your and agent for the Establishment.

    • geoff feller

      Do you think he’s reading this? Or who are you talking to? Don’t you want to call him and tell him this? Or are you content on backbiting? That is what you are doing. Not Christian at all…

  • JohnCraven

    I won’t support Rand Paul for President of the PTA because of this vote.

    This is not the vote of a conservative. This is a libertarian vote.

    As for the other three republican idiots who voted for this moron to be secretary of defense. as John Kerry. who served in Vietnam said, Americans have a right to be stupid and Kerry should know stupid.

    We need a third conservative party to deal with all of this, not a libertarian party but a genuine conservative party.

    John Craven
    New Orleans

  • http://www.facebook.com/jim.opsahl Jim Opsahl

    Well, Rand… your Conservative “Flavor of the Month” cred just swirled down the crapper. Kudos to everyone here who counseled caution about him as well as others.

  • http://www.crossworksme.com/ GiantM

    The “Machine” has broken what once was “another good man”.

  • KCWhatever

    If he thinks “he won” – has he given his 2 week notice of resignation (I mean why continue to be there if it is over), or is he planning on sticking around and letting him “win” some more while he collects a check he doesn’t earn?

  • Fireplug52

    All this was played out in the Theater of the Absurd and was going to happen no matter how the Republicans ranted about Hagel’s qualifications or his position on Israel.

    This whole situation is getting more ridiculous day after day because those who portray themselves as righteous and the standard bearer of truth are anything but righteous and wouldn’t know truth if it bit them in the hindquarters.

    I think we have short memories when it comes to the statement made by former Senator Trent Lott who said that those who were sweeped into office in 2010 by standing on principle would be co-opted once they got inside the beltway. Well they appear to be doing a good job of just that. Stupid and illogical statements made by those in power are now considered holy scripture and all we are supposed to do is say Amen!!!

    We need to start thinking in terms of not only the Democratic Party as anathema to our freedoms, but the Republican Party as well. Until we get that under control then we will continue doing the things that can be classified as insanity and the nuts in Washington D.C. are running the asylum.

  • spin43

    Any hopes for 2016 have gone down the drain for Runaway Paul. I am asking Tea Party members to pull your support for this coward. Is he, like his father, working for the other side?

  • spin43

    Please STOP giving money to this traitor. When does the true Tea Party members start forming a new party? Is Ted Cruz the only conservative senator or will he buckle too? The Monarchy rules. I too am ashamed of this country, THE WELFARE STATES OF OBAMA.

  • WordsFailMe

    Give them everything they want, let the good people of the United States judge him in the end. Keep your powder dry. And close.

    We cannot fight them all.

  • NanNJ

    Oh damn I was beginning to really like this guy. Now, not so much. Lord, I pray for my country.

  • aposematic

    The real bad R’s here are those that voted for cloture which in the present Senate guaranteed Hagel’s confirmation. However, Rands reasoning for voting to confirm Hagel, same reason Rand used to vote to confirm Kerry, is flawed at best as it ignores the Senates Constitutional duty on advise and consent. The Senate is and never was meant to be a rubber stamp and the D’s have and never will rubber stamp any R appointee; if fact the D’s take advise and consent to the nth degree.

  • Hologram5

    You did not stand by your convictions. I am disappointed in you.

  • Rocco11

    Karl Rove, Frank Luntz, and Mike Murphy probably advised him to vote for Hagel’s confirmation.

  • bornfreeamerican

    What have you done?!!!!! You just sunk your 2016 chances!

  • rekean

    It is more and more obvious that the only solution to restore our Constitutional Republic is to clean the slate. Vote all career politicians out of office. They all become tainted with the corruption, lack of morality and honor in a very short time.

  • wodiej

    He was holding out for more info and didn’t get it so voted for it anyway? Yeah, that makes sense. I am hearing VA Gov. and Ohio Gov. are both going wishy washy too. We could have had Gov. Palin or Newt Gingrich (preference to Palin) but our sexist society just wouldn’t go for it.

    That’s like asking God for help and if not liking his answer doing what you want anyway then getting angry because God didn’t answer your prayer. If people would start listening to Him instead of relying on their own arrogance, things would be much better or on the way to it. Let Jesus take the wheel.

  • Amjean

    Alexander
    Ayotte
    Blunt
    Burr
    Chambliss
    Coburn
    Collins
    Corker
    Flake
    Graham
    Hatch
    McCain
    Murkowski
    Sessions
    Thune

    Now that’s the list of people who voted “Yes” on cloture (guaranteeing Hagel’s confirmation) but then cast a covering, false vote on the nomination itself (a meaningless gesture made for political purposes.

    Where is the uproar over these votes? Or, is it only about Rand Paul?

  • http://twitter.com/ember_george Ember George

    How many times must I bang my head into the wall before I suffer enough damage to become a zombie voter and quit caring?

    I’m so tired of politics.

  • TorchnPitchforks

    This is the final proof that the Repugnican party is only a wholly owned subsidiary of the DemocRATS.

    A plaque on both houses.

    Only armed rebellion will restore The Republic!

  • cabensg

    I never intended to support Rand Paul if he ran for president but I did strongly support him as Senator because of many of his stands and especially his direct questioning in committee hearings. From this day forward I have nothing good to say about him. Hagel is one of the poorest choices Obama could have come up with and Rand should have voted against him. There is no plausible excuse for not voting against Hagel………..none!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/44F4AB4VSCTOCHBMBG4ZWWD5OU Laurel

      Totally agree.

  • Idahoser

    If you want anything to ever get better, you have to change back who elects Senators.

    When states lost their representation, what had been the only entity with the real capability and the motivation to oppose runaway federal government was perverted into a second House, competing with the legitimate representatives of The People to bribe us with our own money for votes.

    It isn’t going to fix anything on it’s own, but nothing you would like to see happen is ever going to succeed until there is again a force behind the checks and balances.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/44F4AB4VSCTOCHBMBG4ZWWD5OU Laurel

    Republicans playing tiddly winks still while Democrats playing hard core chess. Democrats don’t give a rap about ‘who won’ or we wouldn’t have the term ‘borking’.

    Hagel should have been voted down because he isn’t competent for starters. Don’t get me stated on his antisemitism and playing footsie with Iran.

  • Conniption Fitz

    UPDATE:

    “Republicans Who Voted to Confirm Plainly-Unqualified Man to Lead the Defense Department… Remember them, and call them out as liars when they claimed they voted “against” Hagel. They did not.

    Alexander
    Ayotte
    Blunt
    Burr
    Chambliss
    Coburn
    Collins
    Corker
    Flake
    Graham
    Hatch
    McCain
    Murkowski
    Sessions
    Thune

    Now that’s the list of people who voted “Yes” on cloture (guaranteeing Hagel’s confirmation) but then cast a covering, false vote on the nomination itself (a meaningless gesture made for political purposes).

    Interestingly, some people voted the other way around — voting “No” on cloture but then “Yes” on the nomination itself.

    Among them? Rand Paul, who’s attempting to both be a Mainstream Conservative and also play to his father’s supporters with their, um… views on Israel.”

    http://ace.mu.nu/archives/337888.php

    LOOK LONG AND HARD AT THAT LIST. These people are traitors to our country.

  • http://boogieforward.us/ K-Bob

    I think he should have voted not to confirm. In other words, he should have formally said, “I do not consent.” No Senator has to consent to a nominee that he believes would be a bad choice, regardless of why that Senator believes it.

    However, those holding up the process wanting more information should have gotten it, and made it public before allowing the vote to happen. Does anyone know if that happened? I sure didn’t see it anywhere.

    I’ll have to say, however, that we did have to allow the vote to happen. You can’t hold up the vote unless you come up with some indication of incompetence, negligence, or criminal behavior.

    But once the vote happens, you don’t vote “for” the guy just because the President gets to nominate whoever he wants. That’s a very weak rationale, and it’s not supported by either logic or history.

    We all should commit to memory the fact that in Robert Bork’s confirmation vote, six Republican senators voted “NO.” Bork was not confirmed, and we ended up with Anthony Kennedy.

  • http://www.facebook.com/chester.simms.1 Chester Simms

    Several months ago, Mark Levin raised the issue that Ron Paul was trying to run away from–some anti-Semitic pamphlets that he had published in the fifties (or earlier).

    Rand Paul positioned himself as more conservative than libertarian? Is this a case of the acorn not falling far from the oak?

  • smokymacpot

    Paul’s dad is a certified nutcase. I guess Rand wants to be a certified RINO like his friend Gramnesty. A pox on all you turn coat jerks.

  • TorchnPitchforks

    This flushes down the toilet the only senator that suposedly had any integrity. The score is now clear: 535 traitors and enemies of the American People.

  • dougs_phtoo

    What a hypocrit .. either you like him or you don’t .. either he can do the job or he can’t .. if you abandon your principles, you have nothing left, period.

  • JeromeFJ

    Very troubling votes. Hagel is an unqualified buffoon. Kerry is basically an anti-American propagandist…unless the pro-American position in question directly benefits him. I fully expect him to vote to confirm Brennan today, after filibustering him yesterday.

    After all, Obama won.