This is the absurdity of Democrats right now, that they are denying something that is as obvious as the nose on your face. And it is laughable:
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It depends on what the definition of “is,” is and a tax is a tax only when we say it’s a tax.
But don’t you see, this is a brilliant, strategic, maneuver…..it may trash the Constitution and is counter to the founding of this nation, but don’t worry, politically it is BRILLIANT!!! Give me a break!
What was I thinking? I must sit back and bask in sheer brilliance. Thanks for setting me straight. : )
Tax? Penalty? Either way it’s still stealing from all of us.
The Dems have double standards for everything; especially when it comes to racism, and now TAXES!
They sent the head idiot to try and convince normal human beings that a tax isn’t a tax.
Her fellow demons in the house must be breathing a sigh of relief she drew the short straw…and brain.
badbadlibs — There is definitely no shortage of idiots for them to choose from!
Yeah bring on Debbie Wuzzaman Sclutz and dat “bow jobbing” lib , Shamu, on Faux Gnu’s
Can’t argue with that!
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I guess “It depends upon what the meaning of the word ‘is’ is. These power hungry contortionists can’t even except a simple word meaning. What a Masquerade of lies and a bunch of manipulating master mind thugs. They have no shame.
Nancy Pelosi really is a dingbat but what’s more important is that she thinks we are stupid!
I just refreshed my memory about Tax Penalty:
A Tax Penalty is an involuntary payment or enforced contribution imposed by the government as a punishment for a crime or offense tied to an action (or more precisely inaction) or infraction of a rule. The punishment can be exacted pursuant to legislative authority in monetary or prison terms.
Sure, you pay or you go to jail!! And we’re supposed to be ecstatic? That’s not fun!
The scary part…prison terms. These guys would hesitate to make a point either.
First they take your money, then your property, then prison. It’s the new American way. Debtor prisons are back. Seems like we fought against that a couple hundred years ago.
Except for the rubes who will believe anything, this isn’t going to fly with Americans. It can’t be one or the other. The Supreme Court has stated it is a tax. Not a tax penalty, a penalty, a fee, or anything else. It is a tax. First it wasn’t, then it was, now it’s whatever Nancy and Obama say it is? I don’t think so. Give it a week or so, and see how flipping angry Americans get over this. It’s coming. All those people in the middle who haven’t paid a lot of attention, but who are not stupid, are going to get angry over this.
There you go. How right you are!
Give it a few weeks and people with be angry? They sure will be. But contrary to your conventional wisdom, the leftist propagandists will by then have pounded the “benefits” of this far and wide through their media minions, while the the RINOs react with complex explanations of why it is bad but Romney, the Godfather of all of this, is good.
And the Governors who resist expanding Medicaid will be bombarded with anecdotal stories of weeping mothers claiming their children were saved only because Obama stood against the evil, murdering, greedy Republicans.
Wow. You’re as deep as an empty tuna can huh?
Try responding to the point, not with assinine ad hominems.
My point is that your are shallower than a baby pool or a mud puddle. You can’t think beyond addition and subtraction. This is more like differential equations.
You don’t make any point to respond to any other way.
That’s all the Shill has. That’s all the Romney campaign has given it.
To the point of the MSM spreading the “good” of this, you are right.
However, the “godfather” of this monstrosity isn’t really to be slammed too much. States have the right to create whatever they want, in their State, hence the reason all States should be considered sovereign. This was actually a right the State of Mass. has the right to do. The one thing so far is, Romney hasn’t been hit with a sound bite that places him with wanting this nationwide………..yet.
I am far from defending this man, as he is far from what I would want at the “helm”, but it is what I get to look forward to.
Barton, I agree, but for Massachusetts (Romneycare) proving a disaster, and requiring subsidies from the rest of us:
Hey Freempg, I agree with ya, trust me, been bashed for being a Ron Paul supporter. I am not defending the man, just his policy was Constitutional for the State of Massachusetts. As for the subsidies, I knew this, just defending his right as a Governor to do for his State as he sees fit, nationally, not Constitutional. I also will add this, I don’t see him repealing the law fully, he keeps saying the worst part, replace, and I ask “with what?” So as a typical RINO, he likes part of the bill, just not how it is written(aka written by Dems, not Repubs).
That would happen anyway and the demonstrations and violence would also start, they would have nothing to lose.
If it’s not a tax then the law is unconstitutional. The only reason the court upheld it is because it’s a tax if democrats deny it’s a tax than the law does not stand. it’s that simple. Every time a democrat claims it’s not a tax the GOP response needs to be “in which case the law is unconstitutional”
What the GOP needs to do now, is go back to the court with a new case. Arguing that the law was passed under false premise and should therefore be unconstitutional for that reason alone.
There is no false pretenses clause in the Constitution. Although, Scalia did comment at oral argument that the statute might violate the Constitutional prohibition on Venality (laughing; there is no such prohibition).
However, there is an Origination clause and taxes are supposed to originate from the House, which the penalty (declared a tax) did not. That is the basis for getting rid of Obamacare. They can’t have it both ways, unconstitutional under the Commerce clause and illegitimate under the Origination clause.
There has been much discussion of this. Actually, technically, it did originate in the House. The Senate took a House bill that had come to them on some other subject, amended it to add Romneycare and strip out the other stuff, and sent it on its way. Sleazy right? But evidently this maneuver has a long history.
It’s all about technicality. They not only amended it, they gutted it and changed it completely. The long history doesn’t include Supreme Court declared Taxes. It will be interesting what the Republicans do with that.
Edit: When you say it originated in the house, you’re not talking about the tax. That’s key.
Justice Roberts Turns Obamacare into Origination Clause Shell Game http://shar.es/sTbn6
I’m all for the GOP doing anything at this point. If it wasn’t for the presence of Tea Party members in Washington…would they actually do anything!?
Just like when Whoopi Goldberg infamously said that Roman Polanski’s rape of 13 year old girl was not rape, rape.
The Obamacare penalty fee tax is tyranny, but not tyranny, tyranny. /s
The left are masters of manipulation. They distort and pervert the meaning of words until words are redefined to mean the complete opposite of their original meaning.
They are only masters to those who cannot think.
The last line of your post should be plastered across America on every high way, followed by the librtifirst’s post!
Thank you Justice Roberts. The left is making your decision look even more absurd.
They are basically saying its not a tax because we said it wasn’t but since that idiot made it where we can still do it then why the hell not.
You’re following the crowd and not thinking it all the way through. Shallow…very shallow.
Save it Mrs. Roberts. Your son is an idiot.
Here’s more, simpleton: http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/06/m-the_chief_justice_done_good.html#comment-573023311
Try thinking a wee bit beyond your own schnoz. If that’s too difficult. Let the adults do it for you.
You come across like a know-it-all leftist.
Sorry I don’t buy into the theory that Roberts’ decision was wrapped in some genius rational. No it wasn’t. If he didn’t run scared of what the left would think of him, the law would have been thrown out and we still would have a great chance of throwing out Obama in November.
The left know how to win and I’m ready to get in the gutter and fight these bastards. Not think of ways of making me feel better about losing. We lost another one when it should have been won. A long time before November.
I don’t give a flying fig how I come off. I care about truth. You and many others are acting like dunces who couldn’t think their way out of wet tissue paper.
This has much further reaching implications than January, junior. You come off as a guy who’ll start saving for retirement at age 64 1/2. Until he sees a shiny bauble he has to have and even blows that late chance. You can’t think even one move ahead.
The world is populated by such as you. You’re in abundant company.
You sound like a Ron Paul bot now. Tin foil hat wrapped a little tight? Kidding.
I still don’t see why Roberts’ decision was better than him throwing it out all together but I’m growing tired of you trying to convince me with insults and other people’s writings. So good night.
Let me know when I sound like Elvis OK? A guy’s gotta sound like something I s’pose.
Good article, but I think there’s too much wishful thinking in it. There’s just too many nuiances in it for the general pubic to understand what the writer believes Roberts did.
I hope you’re right, Rshill7 in agreeing with the outcome the author has painted.
What you call wishful thinking, I call critical analysis.
I’m just hoping there are enough voters who understand critical analysis. That’s my one and only concern.
Try this one then Maroon. http://newmediajournal.us/indx.php/item/6050
Good article post there ABC. Although I had to actually Ctrl/+ a few times…still a good read…lol
From the article:
The singular act of Justice Department lawyers presenting the Affordable Care Act as a tax before the US Supreme Court, while politicians and the Obama Administration continued to insist to the electorate that it was not, serves as proof positive that the Obama Administration recognized the legislation as a tax from its inception and chose to deceive the electorate in a very concerted and deliberate manner; to lie, to betray the public, in its lust to see this contentious, unpopular and ideologically driven legislation brought to law.
My question is: who is going to point the fact out that bo and his henchmen lied thru their blackened pointy teeth? The media is well on it’s way into spinning this into obivlion.
The left could give a crap about your nuanced view. They love it in fact, that you defend the “majority” opinion and ignore the vociferous, vigorous, in fact ferocious rebuttal from the conservatives on the bench. What say you about them? That they are ignorant rubes?
The left are ignorant rubes and worse. I don’t give a damn what they think. The dumber they are, the better. They are in for an historical asswhoopin’. The next 100 years will be rough for them as well…thanks to Roberts.
The conservative justices, which includes Roberts, did this in concert with each other I think…for the good of the country, well out into the future. They outsmarted the liberals in a most embarrassing fashion. It’ll hit you long after it hits them perhaps. It’ll be embarrassing for you too…that it took you so long to understand it
You must assume the justices on the right are the ignorant rubes, befuddled by their better John Roberts playing three dimensional chess, blah, blah, blah. I’ve read it all, including your post.
I may agree with your comment about the next 100 yrs … but in the long run, to quote Keynes, we are all dead. And that is an awfully long run.
Some of us are indeed dead…braindead. You might qualify as one of they.
Consider this. ALL the conservative Justices were working in concert together, for the betterment of our nation, way out into the future. They, together, have thrown one by the libs at 107 mph. Get it?
It was legal theater, to whip the liberals asses for the next 100 years. Roberts wants to leave not only his relatively young kids a stable America, like the one he enjoyed, but he wants to leave us one as well.
He’ll gladly take torment to achieve that end.
P.S. They threw one by you too.
I got that, no need to repeat your fanciful nonsense, that the four conservative justices would express livid disagreement as some kind of kabuki theatre … wishful thinking. But cling to it as you clearly must to delude yourself that you are more sophisticated than the rest of us.
A gold miner goes searching for gold. A good one understands that he must move tons and tons of dirt to get to the gold. He doesn’t however go looking for the dirt. He looks for the gold to take out of the dirt.
When you’re looking for gold, that’s exactly what you’ll find. Be either a goldfinder or a dirtdobber sir.
You are clawing your way across a desert and see an oasis where none exists.
No. You are clawing your way across an oasis in search of desert.
The other 4 justices are livid!!
Isn’t that beautiful?
Why, because they now know for sure that they have a corrupt chief?
No, because they stated the truth and played their parts perfectly well. It’s time our side started kicking the left’s ass, is it not? If you were on the SC, I’d hope you’d do likewise…for the good of the country. Roberts laid himself out on the slab, like Aslan.
How about some good ends justifying some good means, huh?
I can’t get past the lie that this is a constitutional tax. You either have integrity, or you do not. If not, then you are no good to any just cause. A legal tax has to be equal and fair constitutionally. I don’t really care what ploy he may have in mind. He is a Justice for life, what does he have to be afraid of? The only sacrifice he made was the trust of the people.
I do not take this personally, though it is extremely disheartening. I fully expect our government to succeed in shutting down our republic, and have no such hopes of any electoral change taking place. In fact, I have to thank Justice Roberts for removing any false hope that I have had in the courts.
‘A legal tax has to be equal and fair constitutionally‘ – libertifirst
Where does it say that? Is a cigarette tax fair? Is a gas tax equal? There are many taxes that I would deem unfair and many unequal.
The taxing and spending clause includes it by using the word “uniform”. This interpretation is supported by the concept of equal justice under the law. I have heard the arguments, but could not offer you a complete explanation while giving the exact constitutional text.
It is unlawful to favor one individual or group in these laws. I certainly wouldn’t argue that we have been even “mostly” constitutional. We have not. Most of what government does is extra-constitutional, or flat out illegal.
This is an extension of my last post.
They never repealed Posse Comitatus, they just passed the Patriot Act and the NDAA.
They never repealed having Gold and Silver behind our currency, they just created the Fed and went off of it all together.
They never repealed Glass-Stegal, they just passed a new law opening up mortgages to derivative trading.
The never repealed the requirement that congress declare war, they just created some other way of authorizing the use of force to take down other sovereign nations.
Article one section eight requires that all taxes be apportioned according to population. The sixteenth amendment does not override the original constitutional declaration on taxation, therefor our tax code is illegal, and so are any laws passed that go against this article.
You really need to bone up on your Constitution, particularly the 16th Amendment, it modified Art 1 Sec 9 and did away with apportionment.
As to the worn out “declaration” of war meme, that has been so thoroughly thrashed here, over and over it does not even bear rehashing the argument.
Well taken. Thanks.
That’s the strategy of the left.
Fight fire with fire.
Yep. Can’t be trusted!
I think we want the same thing in November so lets leave it at that.
You’re being generous. Shill wants stuff that’s going to tick you off.
I think every November should be a Tea party landslide from this point on in order to save this country. Maybe after a few elections. There might be a few Dems remaining in both houses…might be.
Do you think that we will still have several elections to change anything?
We still have at least one.
Unless Obama pulls off some sort of false flag stunt to create a national emergency. I’ve been expecting an attack on America and a subsequent war with Iran. That is the only way to get Russia to back off. (in theory) They have been selling us on an Iranian dirty bomb attack. I hope it isn’t what they are preparing for in St Louis.
A financial collapse could stop the election as well.
Right. Short of manipulation that is.
Boy…I sure hope so. However your point is very plausible and a good one.
Boy Rshill you’re on a roll tonight…lol.
Roberts has changed the the entire healthcare debate to taxes. The Left is in hyper-defense of raising taxes now, as evidence of Piglosi double talking about how the largest tax in world history isn’t really a tax at all. With the obamascare win, the obama surrogates can only lie to us now about how the tax isn’t really a tax. How far do you think they are going to float that boat?
They will also try to tell us how wonderful his healthcare will be but will they be able to sell mediocre coverage at such a high tax confiscation?
As stupid as many of our fellow Americans have been protesting Wall Street and praising obama without any acknowledgement of any of his lies, this will be a time that might stop and listen. They have nothing to protest, they won the obamatax debate.
Roberts was going to be the fall guy either way, it is better that the left believe they have a win and let their guard down and the right mobilize to get obama out and fill the halls of Congress with Conservatives. Also, the left has been singing Roberts praises, and with their simple minds, not reading the tea leaves, it’ll be difficult to attack him when they catch on.
Obama has attacked Roberts and the SC many times, as President, you don’t do that, as a dipstick President, you really shouldn’t do that.
Time will tell, but I’m with Rshill7 on this one, try to keep an open mind, there isn’t a whole lot more to look forward but ABO and hope he will repeal. There is also no reason to hate Roberts, that will not make your life easier nohow.
This ruling will be discussed for many years. It will be recognized as the ruling that reaffirmed the true power of this country………We The People.
I do believe you are right sir.
very well said my spinach loving friend!
Another thing. Why does Pelosi, when she smiles that crazy, post Botox smile; makes me think that she is straight outta a Batman comic?
I always think of her as Cruella DeVille from 101 Dalmations.
I always think of her as a bitter old hag who’s trying to hold on to youth and power with so many botox treatments and facelifts that her brains and principles, what bit she might have had, leaked out.
Have they done any research into what 50 years of Botox will do to a person? I’m curious to know if her face will fall to her knees in a couple of years (ohhh, that visual hurt my brain. I wish I hadn’t done that).
That made me laugh uproarously Nukefriend! I just about woke up my guys lol!!
I bet you meant the 101 Damnations!
Oh I’m with that 100%!!! Good one.
I hate to break it to you RightScoopers but the mandate “tax” is NOT a tax, no matter the opinion of Traitor Roberts. Now, Nancy Piglosi is a dingbat and she’s muddying the water by mixing up the language but the Dems are right, the mandate penalty is exactly that. The Republicans are playing politics on the issue and abandoning the Constitution to score votes. Peter Schiff breaks it down…
Why do so many of you have so much trouble looking beneath the surface of things? Bunch of kneejerks. Good grief. Drill down at least two inches OK?
He is not a traitor. On the contrary…anything but. What Roberts did will serve us very well, way into the future.
If Peter Schiff breaks it down as you have done, I think he’s a pedestrian fool…on this particular issue anyway, just like so many others.
Abandoning the Constitution to put faith in a liberal governor who blueprinted ObamaCare…Nice strategy. Politics over the Constitution, that’s what has got us into this mess.
Drill down two inches? I’ve drilled for miles and I’ll never stop.
Nope. You’re skating on the frozen surface. Possibly hovering over it.
I still believe Roberts did something very clever…albeit risky in a way. It really is up to all of us now to save the nation with our vote.
Roberts punted! He changed his mind at the 11th hour because he was afraid of the msm and bad PR. He is a coward. This was an easy call for a Constitutionalist. He took the easy road to save face and concocted bogus legislation from the bench. To be a tax, the legislation must have originated in the House. This legislation originated in the pit of hell.
Thanks. It appears that some are off their meds these days.
That’s some fairly fancy self-rebuttal there PVG. It strains credulity too, while ignoring an awful lot of schtuff. That anyone “liked” it, is a head scratcher. It’s like reading Dick and Jane and coming away with something much less complex.
Next thing you know, Roberts will announce that he’s a full-blown-commie and step down willingly huh? Then he’ll eat a bunch of lambs face first like a giant snake and start pooping sweaters, scarves, and blazers.
When did Roberts become an entirely different person than he has been for the first part of his life? Last week? You are easily swayed. Please avoid breezes in excess of 15 mph. for your own safety. The path of least resistance leads to the dump.
Insults and sarcasm are expressions of a weak mind.
A weak mind is an expression of a weak mind. It has no other choice. I have no patience for stupidity. This is whatchacall creative ridicule.
So I’m stupid now? Before I was just shallow, make up your mind! I guess I’ll take that BS in Physics degree from Purdue U. and throw it away now. Oh and those 14 years of teaching school, too.
You are unworthy of debate and have the kind of manners that make conservatives look bad and give ammo to our liberal adversaries. I will no longer respond to your tripe.
And you’re a sadsack negativity machine. How much wisdom did physics teach you?
Here’s something to fill the rest of your day. Take a bunch of glasses and fill them until they are all half-empty.
You debate as you see fit and so will I. You opine-ion notwithstanding
this blog needs a “Brutal” button
I am glad to see some people standing up on principle and supporting the rule of law. I don’t know how anyone could support Roberts in defiling the constitution for some non-existent political ploy. I think that this is what people do when they realize that there is no hope in the system. They create a psychological fairyland to relieve their risk of psycho-pathological behavior.
You serve zero purpose being Negative Nelly so consistently. You are defeated already and seek to convince others to give up. It’s ugly. It’s dark, and it’s depressing.
Henny Penny would qualify as a motivational speaker next to you. Your gloom and doom accomplishes nothing but the spreading of the same.
In retrospect, you are probably correct, for the most part. I don’t enjoy being that way, and I admit that I could do better to be more optimistic. I often don’t see a path to optimism.
And I’m too much of a meany-head. Touche’ sir.
See my reply to MaroonRepublic above.
Just did. I’m trying to sort out everyone’s opinions amongst all the insults and ad hominems. Are you in favor or against Roberts’ decision? I’ll admit, he may have handed the Republicans ammo for the election but at what cost? What a dangerous game to play violating the Founder’s definitions and limitations on the power to tax. Not to mention the outright activism of re-writing the law when it didn’t mention the mandate as a tax.
I’m so sick and tired of Republicans waving flags and quoting the Constitution at rallies and at Tea Parties and then abandoning it the first chance they get. Sick of it. I’m convinced we lost the Cold War and Stalin is laughing in his grave.
I think after what Roberts did, Obama will not be able to stuff the ballot boxes enough to counter what I believe will be an overwhelming response come November by all Americans who finally see through Obama for what he really is….a Dictator!
I HOPE you are right.
Scoop, indeed it seems Stalin has won. Some are blind to the leftward lurch which has reduced us to this: “My Socialist (Romney) is better than your Marxist.” How the mighty have fallen. I pray everyday that the delegates revolt at the convention and produce a candidate that will be in stark contrast with Romney/Obama. Please join me in prayer. I believe in miracles, not conventional wisdom.
Got your back, brother!
BSScoop, I totally understand your frustrations at the GOP- they frankly suck. Ever since I’ve lived here, I’ve been a staunch conservative (actually, I was one in Canada too- hard thing to do when everyone around you is stuck on socialism). But the more I look at it, and like you, wade through all the back and forth, I have to say I am coming to see Roberts as doing something genius here. Will it cost? We won’t really know for now, but I think… no, I have to believe that it could be a good thing. Toongoon said it superbly above. I think time will tell, but for now, just to see the demtwits running around trying to paint over the “tax” word- and having it heaped in dear leader’s lap in the biggest of election years is a bit of relief.
I can’t stand mittens, and I have made myself clear on the fact that the GOP shoved another lame candidate down the voter’s throats… Seeing that mittens is the one who started this whole socialized crap, perhaps Roberts saw this as one of the very few ways he could get around it… Make the demwits scramble, and make the people so angry that if mittens wins, he will have no choice but repeal it.
ABC, I respect your stance and would never hurl an insult at you because I disagree. Not like other clowns on this site. Romney might repeal OCare, but it ain’t enough to save the republic. Republicans, drunk from a wave election and quick repeal of Ocare will still be staring at trillion dollar deficits, entitlements ballooning, a Fed Bank with no choice but to print money, and war as far as the eye can see. It’s over and I’ve decided that I will never again support those with an ideology that got us here. Your choice for president is between a communist and a vanilla Leftist. We haven’t had a conservative to vote for since 1984. 28 years, ABC and look where we are. They won’t listen, and the American people have brought it on themselves. I’m serious when I say, “Wake me up when the revolution starts.”
You’re right BSScoop, but we have to start from where we are, not where we prefer to be. The problems that our elected leaders have created might, at this point, be too overwhelming for any man or group of men/women to solve. The hits keep coming from the left and the right doesn’t seem to have the fighting spirit.
It is all in the hands of the people now. Through preparation, unity, and most importantly, prayer we can turn this ship around and get it off of the rocks. The light is exposing so many evils at this point and we must continue to shine the light and keep those committing the evils on the run until there is no place left for them to hide. If it comes to revolution, so be it, but don’t waste any time worrying about what could have been, spend that precious time creating what is supposed to be,
I completely agree with you here my friend.
This is what I don’t understand: Where did Roberts ever think it was his job to risk our future on some kind of political theory????
Ammo? Hardly, given the fickelness of the American voter. bo is still up in the polls and still up in his approval ratings.
If conservative voters don’t come out of the woodwork to vote the left out in mass, we’re sunk. It’s just that simple.
I hate to break it to you RightScoopers but the mandate “tax” is NOT a tax,
Actually, you and I are not entitled to a second opinion. There’s no-one above the Supreme Court except God Almighty! So if the Supreme Court says it is a tax, that settles it! But I am sure if we had to ask God, He might say: “The Elections are coming up. Do you job of throwing those bums out.”
PS Dear Lord, I know that you did not exactly said that but that is the avenue you obviously have chosen to correct the course of this country. Thank you. Amen!
Not true, Cindy. The Supreme Court, like all of our government and banking system are corrupt to the core and have become the enemy of We the People. Freedom is gone. This decision is simply a light on an already rotti g corpse of a republic. I’ll get excited about my country when patriots citizens take it back. That will happen after it completely fails. Get ready, it’ll happen fast.
Progressives republicans and people in despiration seem to believe that compromising all that the republic stands for is good politics.
I have seen that video, and I believe that Peter does a good job.
Will there be a “dingbat tax???”
Again – You can’t this stuff up –
If you realize that these – things – are not human
AND are from Bizarro World – she is correct
In the their world – this is not a tax – eventhough it is a tax
Yes folks – We have been invaded –
democRATS are aliens and that is why – THEY like aliens
If you think about what I just wrote –
It makes more sense than what they said !
I understood everything you just wrote Joe. I’ve got my tinfoil suit on.
You have a entire suit
I just have underwear and a hat!
I have to check that out
This is you? http://www.osoblog.tv/nicolek.JPG
Gazowie ! (Lucky Mr. ABC)
Do they make size 17eee tinfoil boots. That’s the one thing I haven’t got.
All you really need is the hat. They can only effect brain waves, and not muscle or skeletal structure.
LOL! I WISH!!! I love you Joe! 😀
Just in case you haven’t seen this yet
ECONOMIST: 75% of Obamacare costs to fall on Americans making less than $120,000 a year>>>>>>>>>>>>>
“Lyning B*stards” is right! But, who is going to tell on them?
See Mr.Roberts what you are putting us through, we have to listen to this crap for the next 6 months
Well, hey princess, what’s wrong with a tax anyway. I mean biteme said it’s patriotic to pay taxes didn’t he? Or does it depend on what the word is “is” when it comes to patriotism. Yeah whatever- keep on tryin’ stretch, most of us aren’t buying it.
I’ve heard often over the years that you can always tell who are the insane. How? By the way they speak and the words they use that make sense to no one but themselves.
Nancy Pelosi……….I rest my case.
Your not fooling anyone Nancy.
This senile bat hasn’t even read the bill. I’d bet a million bucks she never read it.
When they voted for it it was 2000 pages, now I understand it’s 15,000 pages. Nobody will ever read this monstrosity, they are making it up as they go along and will make any changes to it as they see fit. A dictators dream.
Which leads me to believe that it really has nothing to do with healthcare at all but a Socialist replacement for our beloved constitution.
Someone wrote that this is a law that will never stop being written.
Hell no. When no one is willing to stop them they will keep going.
Yep. A dear leader’s dream come true.
Any young liberal out there struggling, trying to find a job, fearful they won’t be able to pay for their massive student loan (Interest rate increase incoming soon btw) was just hit by the biggest tax increase in American History. Trying to build a young family? By 2016 expect to be paying more than 2K a year in HI premiums. Hell, why should the Insurance companies cap the cost of their premiums? Everyone has to buy one. The problem for the HI companies is that the Government is going to artificially make themselves the only viable Insurance Company on the market long term by force.
“But Obama said the cost of HC and HI would go down ….” They lied to you.
Obama, Pelosi, and the rest of the rats lied to you. I wouldn’t be surprised if they knew it would come to this, which is why they had their lawyer argue it was a tax in front of the Supreme Court. Their strategy is to rely on MSM propaganda, lies, and deception to buy themselves enough time to institutionalize this legislative terrorism into the fabric of the country. If the vast majority of the MSM wasn’t far left kooksville liberal, the rat infested Democrat Party would never get another vote unless that person was deceased or named Mickey Mouse.
A majority of Americans opposed this bill the day it was passed. The Democrats deceptively passed it right down ideological party lines, with full cooperation and protection from the MSM.
All of your support for Obama, Pelosi, and the Democrats won’t stop the IRS from coming after you. People are going to feel what it’s like to support irresponsible meddling liberals where it matters, their wallet.
All the left needs to do is promise debt forgiveness, a bailout of sorts, for student loans. Why not? If it’s good enough for the too-big-to-fail banks, why not for them? Like we didn’t expect to use the word “trillion” in every-day conversation, we better get ready for “quadrillion”.
Pelosi is quite insane, but we all knew that. I think her face will shatter if Obama is defeated in November. More and more she’s reminding me of the Joker in the Batman movies, only without the charm. November can’t come soon enough for me.
It is taxing to listen to this nut job who needs to be in a home. Keeping coming Nance.
I don’t know about the rest of the interview but David Gregory didn’t seem to be buying it…..for once.
I miss Tim Russert.
She sucks the intelligence from the room. I’ve never seen a dumber congressperson in my life.
Can you say Maxine Waters?
Sheila Jackson Lee? Debbie Whassername Shultz? Dingy Harry? ah crap, I could go on all night.
And what do they all have in common? Democrats.
ST, you can take “..the intelligence from the room” out of your first sentence and still have a valid statement.
Yes she does…
She is the mold from which most Democrats are formed. You form the mold out of BS, fill it full of Botox, wait till it ferments, and voila, you have a San Fransico treat.
Dang it Nuke, I love rice a roni. Had some for dinner, and now I’ll never be able to look at the stuff the same way again!! 😉
Just dig up some night crawlers and you’ll see where she comes from.
Lol! Exactly! Well said.
I try so hard not to hate.
It was about 30 secs more than I can stomach. You can tell when she’s lying, her botox starts to curdle.
Princess Nancy, look behind, things are catching up to you.
Watching this video, two thoughts came to mind. One, thank you Scoop, for giving us only 31 seconds of Pelosi. And two, she is and always will be a dingbat. Of that, I’m sure everyone on this thread will agree.
After reading all 89 comments (so far) on this thread, I see very few, if any, liberals commenting. So, it makes me sad that both sides of this argument are coming from conservatives who all want Obama repealed in November. We are eating our own, folks.
Roberts, whether you like his decision or not, has given us an opportunity. I, for one, dislike his ruling. But there is no appeals process to the Supreme Court. We use what is given to us and make lemonade out of lemons. This November is going to be interesting for several reasons.
Roberts called the penalty a tax (I disagree. I think it is not a tax. But he ruled it was). We can use this in the campaign against both Obamacare and Obama. Democrats, like Pelosi, are adamant in declaring it is not a tax. Why? Because it will hurt them in November if they admit it is a tax. Use this.
Roberts basically sent Obamacare back to the Congress. The Origination clause states that taxes originate in the House. Not bills that weren’t taxes and then were changed to taxes, without ever going back to the House for redress. Congress should vote on this to get the Democrats to either vote against it or run on tax increases in November. Either way, they lose.
Roberts not only ruled in our favor on the Commerce clause and the States right to opt out. He also stated a very important point, without ever saying it. We cannot depend on the Supreme Court (nine people, of which at any given time there are 4 on one side and 4 on the other with a possible swing vote) to save us from ourselves. We are the ones that elect our officials and we are the ones responsible for either keeping them or getting rid of them. We can’t cry when it goes all the way to the Supremes and then one man decides the fate of a nation. This happens way too often in the ninth circuit, but at least there it gets appealled.
What I’m trying to say in 1000 words that I should have been able to say in 50 is that what is done is done. God gives us the ability to choose (free will). Let’s see if we can use that ability for a good cause and get Obamacare fixed the way it should have been, as well as kicking Obama to the curb in the process.
Absolutely! We are arguing with each other over something that is done and we cannot do anything about. We can all agree that we still have the opportunity to drive a stake through the heart of obamatax once and for all. Roberts gave us that opportunity. Rather than focus on Roberts, let’s put our attention to getting rid of the evil.
Roberts is not the evil.
Now that’s the 50 words that matches my 1000. Nicely said.
Excellently laid out my dear Nuke!!
Hey guys, here is the full SCOTUS opinion on Obamacare in PDF format.
I am not sure if you were all able to lay hand on a copy, here you go:
Anyone who doesn’t realize Pelosi is mentally challenged should never be able to vote. Having dinosaurs like Reid and Pelosi as leaders, what does that say about the democratic party? They don’t have a clue.
…. err, that they belong to the prehistoric era and are doomed to extinction.
The reason Pelosy ,, can’t talk anymore is ,, she’s had soo’oo many Face Lifts that her surgeon forgot to inform her ,, that Butt Cheeks can’t perform in that task .
It’s hard to actually listen to Pelosi without a thesaurus at hand, but didn’t I just hear her create a new 1% to despise?
The Democrats are amazing how quickly they assemble their talking points. Lew, the WH Chief of Staff, was saying the same thing on Fox News Sunday – that only 1% of the people would choose not to buy insurance and would be affected by this new “tax.” However, the way it has worked in Massachusetts, far more than 1% have decided to pay the tax or penalty instead of buy insurance, since it is cheaper. Then, if they ever need insurance, they get it since they can’t be denied for pre-existing conditions. The result significantly drives up the cost of health care.
The Roberts decision vastly increases the taxing power of Congress by essentially creating a new tax – a tax on inactivity. In other words, you either do (a)_______, or pay a tax. There’s no limit as to what can be plugged into (a). That’s the problem. We are witnessing the destruction of our Constitution and the limits it places on government power over the individual.
No, we are not. The Roberts court just made it much much more difficult to pass extra-constitutional laws/mandates etc. in the future. You don’t know what you are talking about.
Go ahead and stone who so many others are stoning. And may the same happen to you some day.
from the perspective of a CPA tax professional…
using penalties to raise revenue is just simply bad tax policy
the purpose of penalties is to deter tax evasion, not to raise revenue
The Democrats are changing the subject. You are required to buy health insurance whether you want it or not. That’s the “tax” we are speaking of, the government forcing you to buy something.
Whenever confronted with this the Dems start their shuck and jive about people not buying health care insurance with be penalized.
lol…good Lord. How about doing something about the 50% free riders on the welfare system first who pay no income tax.
You’ll never hear the libs call them freeloaders. Those are upstanding citizens because the vote for Democrats. The rich don’t pay their fair share so evidently the bottom 50% add up a lot of zeros to account for most of the tax base.
0 + 0 + 0 + 0………. + 0 = 95% of all tax revenues (liberal math)
liberals are a combination of retards and communists.
Americans must fight back.
Here is one way to do so: copy, print and distribute
Ah yes, the old liberal Democratic standard operating procedure of dodging and evading the issue, aka the truth, as so captured and stated with such clarity by Impeached President Bill Clinton, quote- “It depends upon what the meaning of the word ‘is’ is..
Can Nancy Pelosi be any more of liberal hack and now of course without saying -a dingbat as Gov Palin so eloquently put her into context and terms.. Between Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi, it’s hard to tell who is in the most delusional state of idiocy..
Is it no wonder why the Nation is in such dire straights, look whose running and ruining the country into the ground..
Guess she doesn’t get that penalty sounds just as bad or worse than taxes.
A tax by any other name is still a tax….
How in the world does she continue to get voted into office?? I mean the people out there don’t even have a better liberal who at least has some common sense (if they exist) and isn’t as retarded as she is to primary her out? I’m not asking for a conservative candidate out of her district, although that would be nice, but just someone else. Perhaps they vote to keep her in washington so she stays out of there area. Unreal….
And that’s why Obama has hired 15,000 new IRS agents, because as we know, the IRS has nothing to do with collecting taxes. Nancy’s late for her insanity hearing.
b. A liar
c. A delusional liar
d. Typical liberal – totally out of touch with reality and wouldn’t acknowledge the truth under any circumstance.
(Raises hand fast as lighting!) I know! I know!!! All of the above!!?
Dang, Whitewold, you’re absolutely correct, and I should have included “e. All of the above.” Matter of fact, I think I’ll do that now. Thanks…..hahahahaaaa.
Has anyone seen the new public service ad “Addicted to Denial” which shows a mom refusing to see that her son is stealing prescription drugs from her medicine cabinet even though she actually walks in on her son counting the pills?
The RNC needs to do a Pelosi version of “Addicted to Denial.” Actually, the entire LEFT is addicted to denial, come to think of it!
When is a tax not a tax? When Pelosi say so.
When is Pelosi lying? When her lips move!
Nancy, lets here you say “Peter picked a peck of pickled peppers”. I bet you cannot say the letter “P”. eter icked a eck of ickled e–ers. LOL that skin is botoxed and stretched so tight it would make a decent head skin for a snare drum.
It’s a Tax -enalty. LOL
Nancy Pelosi, the leader of the democrats in the House of Representatives, has been mentally challenged for several years. With Harry Reid, her counterpart in the Senate, it is easily understood why we are on the verge economic disaster with the Federal deficit. Sad as it sounds, the right has to deal with RINOs who are just as bad. This cannot be fixed overnight. Not anything we can do about the democrats as they have ceased to exist for years, but eliminating one RINO at a time is a damn good start.
Their 1% number is also bullcrap.
We know millions will be dropped from their employer based health insurance. We aren’t all going to be able to afford the entire cost of an insurance policy, and most of us won’t qualify for medicaid (and I don’t want to).
The new group of uninsured is going to be a lot freaking larger than it was before Obamacare.
Edit: By the way, who the hell is she to call the so-called 1% freeloaders? I’ve had insurance for 27 years you stupid whore!! I will lose it because of you communist low-lifes! Even if I don’t have insurance if I have to go to the doctor you can be damned sure I will pay the bill out of my own pocket.
If Obamacare is in essence a tax, does that mean that The Catholic Church and all tax exempt groups are immune from Obamacare?
Watch her left eyelid every time she lies. All those years as a cop finally paid off.
It’s tough to watch the old twitchy witchy!
1. It is a tax, OR 2. It is UNconstitutional. WHICH IS IT? (That is the only line Republicans need to use!)
If the answer is 1. It is a tax, well then, it is a tax on WHAT?
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