By 911Infidel


This is my commentary on Rand Paul’s foreign policy speech at the Heritage Foundation. His speech is titled “Containment and Radical Islam.”

I got to 18:10 of Rand Paul’s foreign policy speech and had enough. He started out saying that he is no neoconservative. Really? Don’t believe in Adam Smith economics, the Founders, Tocqueville or American Exceptionalsim? Is that about right Rand? Cause that’s what a neocon is. Go read my symposium on the topic.

“Seeing the landscape of the world for what it is, not what we’d like it to be”? Well now that’s a darn good idea. Too bad you missed the mark.

The west is in for a long war because the West is ignorant of the 1400 year old history of Islam. The west won back Spain, Portugal, Malta, and Sicily through war. The west defeated Islamic raiders at the Battle of Lepanto. The west defeated the Muslim invaders of southern France (twice) and southern Europe through war, not through “containment”.

The west has lost sight of Sun Tzu. They fight with both hands behind their backs because of PC ROE’s (Rules of Engagement) and useless leftist tards in their governments. They have no strategy to defeat Islam. That’s their problem. And this problem is compounded by the dearth of MB (Muslim Brotherhood or Ikwan) operatives in this government giving advice to dunderheads like Clinton, Obama and the JCS.

And what exactly is Radical Islam anyways? What you maybe think that there is some sort of moderate sect and radical sect? Try studying the subject matter before commenting on it. Try reading the Muslim field manuals, Sharia law and paying attention when Muslims actually tell you the truth. “There is no moderate or immoderate Islam. Islam is Islam and that’s it.” – PM Erdogan. And he’s spot on.

A long-term patient but vigilant containment? What the hell are you talking about? Islam has never been contained. The 1400 year old jihad against the House of War (all non-Muslims) goes on; and will go on until none but Allah is worshipped. Is not 600 million murders by the death cult not enough to convince you that you will not contain it? You will have to kill it to stop it.

The first Afghan War? How’d that work out? The USSR left with its tail between its legs and that led to the downfall of the Soviet Union. It seems to me it worked out just fine. The Berlin wall fell and the Soviet Bloc countries were freed. That all started with the Soviets leaving Afghanistan.

Sanctions on Iran will never work. Nor will you get Russia and China to buy into them.
They’re too busy building Iran’s nuclear facilities while spitting in a weakened US government’s eye.

Besides, sanctions aren’t hurting the Mahdi-ist regime in Tehran. They’re hurting the 70% of Persians that are on our side. They hate that regime. Why don’t you try a different tact and help those people.

As far as war with Iran is concerned, like or not it war is coming. Go listen to the video “The Coming Is Upon Us” on YouTube.

They believe that only though war and chaos can their Mahdi appear. Their aim, their whole raison d’être is a war to force the return of the Mahdi. You aren’t going to stop their nuclear program or stop their State Sponsorship of Terror through containment. Sooner or later, you are going to have to kill them.

Talking ad nauseam about sanctions and war as a last resort just makes you and others in this government look weak, timid and feckless to Tehran. You’re about as scary as a toothless kitty-cat. You should be preparing for war.

Drawing down our forces and bases?

Now you’re talking like your dad who also hasn’t a clue of what he’s talking about either. Those bases allow us to forward deploy into any region. They are a deterrent to China, and North Korea. Why do you think North Korea never crossed the 38th Parallel again? Those bases serve as a strike platform against any foe. They are a refueling stop for aircraft and troops. Ever try to load a C-130 or a helicopter, and then fly long distance w/o refueling Rand? Of course not. I say again, you haven’t a clue.

Muslims aren’t shaped by their history. Muslims are shaped by their field manuals: the Koran, Hadith, Sira and Umdat as-Salik wa ‘Uddat an-Nasik (Reliance of the Traveler and Tools of the Worshipper – the manual of Sharia law.

If you’d been spending more time reading Qutb and al-Banna instead of Bernard Lewis (an apologist for Islam), you might actually learn something about Islam.

The name of the game in the ME is jihad. Not the John Brennan version, but the real deal: Quitaal i.e. war. War on the unbelievers until none but Allah is worshipped; until the entire world is conquered by Islam by stealth or by force.

Western “occupation” – What’s that? A Paleocon buzz word for the State of Israel? We don’t occupy bud. We liberate, then we leave…unless we have a need for a basing agreement and then we make a Status Of Forces Agreement with the host nation that serves our national interest as in Bahrain for example; or in Djibouti.

And you’re wrong that our presence in Muslim lands is what motivates them to kill us. That’s just a pretext that they use. Muslims have all the motivation that they need to kill us in their Koran. THAT is what motivates them…nothing else matters.

To sum up: Rand Paul is just another version of Ron Paul. Listen carefully to his rhetoric; he is echoing his dad’s views. He’s a chip off the old Paleocon block. I got no use for him.

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  • JohnMartin Mull

    “Paleo-con”=True-con. George Washington said “avoid foreign entanglements” And George W Bush said “Bring’em on.” Republicans forget that a “Neo-con” is a liberal who wants unending war in the middle-east and east-asia. They do not care if the country goes bankrupt as long as their blood lust is sated. Please tell me one spending cut a Neo-con has ever fought for. That’s right, there aren’t any.

    • othrpplz

      Blood lust???? Conservatives have kids too.

      • JohnMartin Mull

        Blood lust indeed. These fools up thread(Mike and infidel911) still believe the war in
        Iraq was a good idea. Now they want war with Iran. Let me tell you, iran will make Iraq look like Grenada. The Pentagon itself says it could take 6 months to a year to open the Straight of Hormuz. What happens to the world economy when gas is $25 a gallon?

        • 57thunderbird

          War with Iran is coming whether you want to believe it or not.It may even be during the reign of our present regime.

          • JohnMartin Mull

            No thunderbird, it is not. The powers that be know that the Persian people are a proud people and President Obama wisely smacked down netanyahu. Israel CANNOT go it alone and those beating the drums in Israel took a beating in the election there. Netanyahu lost 25% of his seats in knesset. Also, the last time Iran attacked another nation was during the PERSIAN EMPIRE.

            • 57thunderbird

              Yes it is.Hold on to your seat.There are already covert ops happening.Iran was in cahoots with Nazi Germany during WW2.

              • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jim-James/578078192 Jim James

                Hell, they even started calling themselves “Iranians”, a variation of “Aryans”, because they loved Hitler and what he had to say. The US brought them back under control for a couple of decades after WWII, but then Carter betrayed the Shah and allowed Islamists to take over, and they’ve been nothing but trouble ever since. Now they have guys in power who openly talk about their playing a role in making way for the emergence of the Mahdi, AND they are developing nukes. The Soviet Union was officially atheist, so the Russkies weren’t high on wiping everyone out, but Muslims blow themselves up already to serve their god. There’s nothing stopping them from tossing dirty bombs or full-on nukes at Israel or any US or other western target.

            • keyesforpres

              What are you talking about? Iran has been involved with terrorism for decades. They were responsible for many of the deaths of our soldiers in Iraq.

              • http://www.theconservativevoices.com/ dmacleo

                over in germany n the 80’a (those bases that SUPPOSEDLY allowed us faster deployment…) we knew iran was a threat.
                somehow we forgot that.

            • NWIGOP

              If you do not believe that war with Iran is imminent than you are out of touch with the reality of world affairs.

            • 18_18

              HALF THE SEATS NETANYAHU LOST WENT TO A PARTY TO THE RIGHT OF NETANYAHU. iSRAELIS ARE MORE REALISTIC THAN OBAMA’S SYCOPHANTS.

        • Sober_Thinking

          You sound like you’ve got your mind all made up.

          I disagree with your point of view and your underlying snarkiness.

          • 57thunderbird

            But,but,but.He is smarter than everybody else on this thread.Just ask him he will tell you.I noticed the snarkiness as well. :)

            • Sober_Thinking

              Yeah, someone rubbed his fur the wrong way or something. Seems like he might be a smart guy and all… but to come off as a pompous arse doesn’t help to reinforce that impression. I followed his discussion and I don’t think he wants to have a civil debate.

              • 57thunderbird

                As much as I hate to say it,I don’t believe a civil debate was ever a part of the equation.

        • mike3e4r7

          How is it you know my attitude about war with Iran without me having said a word about it? You’re a legend in your own small little mind.

    • mike3e4r7

      Paleo-cons of the Ron Paul variety believe we have strong national security by magic. There is no need for our military to make preperations for a potential aggressor in the future. In fact they believe disarmament will decrease the likelihood of aggression, the complete opposite of the way the world really works.

      Rand, you might want to take your own advice when you talk about –

      “Seeing the landscape of the world for what it is, not what we’d like it to be”

    • mike3e4r7

      This new fad of quoting George Washington to try to justify a weak military is sophistry at its worst. Is responding to an aggressor equivalent to becoming involved in a foreign entanglement? If so, I can assure you George Washington was not in favor of avoiding all foreign entanglements.

      He fought in a foreign entanglement – the Revolutioinary War. He actively worked with the French, our allies, to help defeat the British. That alliance was crucial to our winning the war, and I’m supposed to believe George Washington was against any foreign alliances. Get real!

      • CalCoolidge

        The Revolutionary War as “foreign entanglement?”

        • JohnMartin Mull

          According to Mike it was. Can you believe that? And if you don’t want unending wars in the ME you are a anti-semite and a “jew hater.”

          • mike3e4r7

            It was an entanglement (does war qualify as an entanglement?) with a foreign nation 3,000 miles away.

            And as far as this comoment is concerned,

            “And if you don’t want unending wars in the ME you are a anti-semite and a ‘jew hater'”.

            That’s the kind of dishonest strawman argument I guess I should have expected.
            Are you quoting me? No. Are you feeling a little defensive about being anti-semetic? Probably, but only you can answer that for sure.

          • Sober_Thinking

            No one wants unending war. To honestly believe that some people do or are crazed with bloodlust as you insinuated previously, is incorrect at best. I think you’re new to this site because the average contributor and posters on this site don’t feel that way.

            I appreciate your point to a point… but you’re going off the rails with it and taking some of this disagreement a little personally it seems.

            • KurtUSA

              I for one do not want any war. I have a Dad and brother retired from the military and a son currently serving. No one wants to see their family in harms way for any reason. But, I would rather see a war fought now, then have my grandchildren living under sharia law, especially my granddaughters. I think we take the gloves off and put an immediate end to the threat, no matter what cities we have to make into parking lots and countries we have to bomb back into the stone age.

              We may actually be doing the majority in these countries a favor as we help set their imprisoned populations free, if not o well, but at least we will stop the immediate threat.

              • http://profile.yahoo.com/MVMVLN267XCY2HS5KL25QTQRKQ John

                No, you’re not doing them favors, most of them want Americans out and if they want sharia law that’s up to them it’s nothing to do with us.

                Your not setting them free and Americans are not welcome in Iraq. it’s the same crap we heard from the war promoters that they would be throwing flowers and see Americans as liberators’ they don’t they see Americans as occupiers and they organize resistance to the army there and any collaborators.

                • KurtUSA

                  First of all we have absolutely no need to occupy anybody. We have weapons that do not require many, if any, boots on the ground. I could care less what the
                  Iraqis think or any of these other muslim countries think of us. My point is with all the leaders gone, maybe a few of the freedom loving ones would have a chance at the life they want. But, that is just my wish, personally if all we did was eliminate the threat that would be fine with me. We need to just get the politicians out of the war and let the military do what they were trained to do according to Rush, kill people and break thing.

                  My other point is the ones who probably hate war the most, are the ones who volunteer to fight it for us and their loved ones who don’t sleep much while they are in harms way. But, thank God most military personal understand that sometimes war is the only option to keep us safe and preserve our way of life.

                  We need to stop trying to make it a fair fight. In war someone has to die. Our politicians and military’s loyalty is to make sure our troops come home safely, not the enemy’s military personal.

                • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

                  I’m clapping wildly over here Kurt! Please thank your son for me for his service. You said here what I’ve had on my mind a long time.
                  Let our troops do their jobs, use whatever means we can to get the job done and get out. There are people over there who do appreciate our troops, just not enough of them that they can fight those who hate us for it. The politicians need to shut the he!! up, and let our troops do what they’ve been trained to do without ridiculous ROE’s.

                • NWIGOP

                  Agreed.

                • BikerHoop

                  I agree. When I was in the military I was taught one main creed – the enemy’s job is to die for their country and my job is to ensure they do theirs. War is hell … people die … even some that shouldn’t have … but that’s just the way it is.

                • PatrickHenrysBody

                  Shades of Patton there. :-)

                • BikerHoop

                  I believe that’s who the quote came from. Irregardless of who uttered it, that’s the way it is.

                • PatrickHenrysBody

                  True, BikerHoop, very true.

                • Sober_Thinking

                  Well said.

                • keyesforpres
                • Sober_Thinking

                  That’s simply not true as a blanket statement.

                  Sure, some may resent our involvement and sure, America has been involved in “nation-building” over the years. But there are many other instances where America was welcomed with open arms (WWII, Korean War, Israel, all come to mind).

                  I’m actually more of an isolationist when it really comes down to it… but to not help allies or those who need our help is not right. To linger and occupy… well, I feel if we’re done, we should leave.

                  However, after we left Iraq, all hell broke loose. Muslim nations definitely are a different animal.

                  And if you don’t understand the evil of Sharia law, then I recommend you learn more about it. I doubt the citizenry of any country under Sharia law is really happy with it – it’s absolutely primeval.

              • mike3e4r7

                Well said.

              • Sober_Thinking

                I tend to agree with you.

                As a veteran of the USAF myself and a veteran of Desert Storm, I saw first hand the gratitude of the people in that region. I’m no fan of nation-building… but radical Islam must be stopped at all costs.

            • mike3e4r7

              Exactly. His discussions were filled with mischaracterizing and disparaging the motives of the people that didn’t agree with him. He wasn’t really interested in hearing what others had to say. Like you said, I think he already had his mind made up.

        • mike3e4r7

          It was an entanglement with a foreign nation some 3,000 miles away, so yeah I guess it was. The fact that most of the war, aside from some naval engagements, was fought on our soil was a factor of us not being able to project power at the time. If we could have fought most of the battles for our independence on British soil, and spared our country some of the destruction, I imagine we would have.

      • Conniption Fitz

        Geo. Washington fought domestic defensive wars, while at the same time sending Ben Franklin to fight for America in France via diplomacy and begging for help.

        It’s not an either/or military and diplomacy, but both/and.

      • JohnMartin Mull

        Better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and prove it. George Washington fought on what became American soil. Read about what he thought of those who wanted to fight the British in canada or align with France in the wars of empire with England. “Avoid foreign entanglements.” Did he say it or not? More importantly, was he right or wrong? U.S. foreign policy since WWII shows he was totally correct.

        • Sober_Thinking

          By implying that someone’s post on this site makes them a “fool”, violates the policy of this site.

          I encourage you to simmer down and mind your manners. You obviously have a lovely intellect… but to insult others lessens your beautiful mind.

        • xjesterx

          No. He didn’t say that.

      • Sober_Thinking

        Spot on.

      • xjesterx

        First off, they aren’t even quoting Washington. He never said “foreign entanglements”. Here’s what he said:

        we should not “entangle our peace and prosperity in the toils of European ambition”. He specifically said that Europe will always have problems, but we should not get involved in them. If you read his words carefully, it sounds more like he was saying we aren’t going to get involved with colonizing India or other things like this. Besides, the British still came back for more in 1812. It’s not like we invaded London first. Did that stop them from burning the White House?

        But let me ask one question: What would he have said about Hitler? It’s not like we even tried to stop his expansion until we were attacked. Does anyone think Hitler would have stopped with Britain if he had defeated them? Even the Japanese wanted to attack us to cripple us just in case we decided to get involved.

        What would he have said about Stalin after WWII? Oh, he’s no problem. They won’t try to attack us.

        Washington was trying to build a fledging country that was just put together. We were literally a collection of states that did not yet extend across the continent. Besides, this was his farewell address. The man talked of seeking peace and prosperity, keeping out of politics, etc. etc. What else was he going to say? It’s not a manifesto for running the country. That’s what the constitution is for.

        • mike3e4r7

          Excellent analysis! Thanks for posting. Ever since I started seeing this supposed quote by Washington being thrown around by the Paulbots about a week ago, I have been suspicious. I was not familiar with the quote they were citing, but felt that even if Washington had said something like that, he couldn’t have meant what all the pacifist paulbots are implying that he meant.

          Just as you say, did our desire to avoid hostilities with Japan and Germany prevent Japan from attacking us, or Germany from declaring war on us?

          The world is alot smaller place now than it was 200 years ago. The idea of being attacked by a country halfway around the world, like China for example, would have been almost inconceivable then. Not anymore. To take a quote from Washington out of context and try to argue that he would bury his head in the sand regarding threats we face today, were he still alive, is absurd.

          • steprock

            Which is exactly why the US Constitution does not support any policy decisions. It creates a platform of government and secures the people’s rights. End of story.

            • Idahoser

              it is not possible for a piece of paper to “secure” anything. It instructs the government it authorizes and creates to secure rights, secure the borders, enforce contracts… you know, what government is there for.
              They do nothing they are required to do, and everything they are forbidden to do. The Constitution naturally lost any power to control government when the only force it included to oppose runaway federal government, the Senate, was perverted into a second House, competing with the legitimate representatives of The People to bribe us with our own money, instead of jealously defending states rights against federal takeover.
              Repeal the 17th or stop whining about what can only get worse.

        • mike3e4r7

          Israel provides an object lesson as to the wisdom of being clear minded about the intentions of your enemies.

          In 1967, they were aware that the Arabs were massing on the border and preparing for an invasion. They responding with a preemptive strike that was enormously sucessful. Contrast that with the 1973 Yom Kippor war, in which they were caught off gaurd. The Arabs attacked first and almost won.

      • capelady

        And the only reason he did not go after the Barbary pirates …Muslims… was because we had no navy until Jefferson… and he did it!!

    • 911Infidel

      You got your definitions wrong. A neocon is no liberal anything. I linked to the article that Irving Kristol’s wife wrote using his words to describe a term that he invented, So you are wrong. And a paleocon is a Jew-hating Pat Buchanon/Paulista/Lyndon LaRoche type.

      Spending cuts on defense is an fools game. Weakening our military doesn’t give our enemies pause. It encourages them to keep on keeping on.

      • JohnMartin Mull

        Hahahaha. Irving Kristol? William Kristol? You foolish man. They are all liberals. You are a big government conservative and that’s a fact.

        • 57thunderbird

          Keeping a military at the ready is a Constitutional requirement.That said,there is waste that can be trimmed from the military,but not at the expense of our readiness to defend ourselves.

        • Sober_Thinking

          It’s so refreshing to bask in the afterglow of your wisdom. (Sarc)

          I don’t expect we’ll be exposed again to the flash of brilliance you’ve shared thus far… but take solice in the fact that you went down swinging.

          Buh bye.

      • Sober_Thinking

        Spot on.

        • 911Infidel

          Thank you

    • Conniption Fitz

      As Dr. Ben Carson said, the 4th branch of government in the US is Interest Groups.

      The Arms industry, Oil, Banking, Wall Street, and increasingly Foreign Interests and Political Agenda groups are the puppeteers and the figures in office are their servants, not the servants of the citizens of this country who pay the taxes.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1396855720 Brian Jones

        So you are anti-weapons, anti-oil, anti-banks, anti-Wall Street, and anti-Alliances?

      • Sober_Thinking

        While I understand what you are saying (I think)… I’d love to see special interest groups completely out of the picture in our politics. That includes a dramatic limiting of campaign donations, etc.

        If the government served the American people as a whole, we’d be far better off.

        • OneThinDime

          And term limits so elected officials cannot be so easily swayed. There should also be a period after leaving office before a former elected or appointed official can become a lobbyist.

          • Sober_Thinking

            Yep, I’d support that.

    • StrangernFiction

      The problem with W and his statist Repubican pals is that they want unending nation-building. They aren’t interested in fighting Islam, they are aiding Islam.

      • JohnMartin Mull

        Without a doubt. Read from the manifesto of al qaida and obl. There goal was to drag America into costly land wars in ME and east asia to kill troops and bankrupt the usa. Succeeding?

        • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

          Only because dear leader is in bed with them.

      • NWIGOP

        I disagree. The point of the nation building was to build up Afghan forces to be able to defend themselves against the Taliban, etc. Also so that Iran wouldn’t influence the region.

    • Lime Lite

      America should withdraw troops and put them protecting America alone. STOP importing Muslims into the country. Shut the borders. Remember, America didn’t get invovled in WWII until the end. That’s the way it should be. Why should your boys die fighting other people’s battles. Keep your country strong and let the world sort their own problems out!

      • OneThinDime

        America absolutely had to go after the 9/11/01 terrorists. But it should have been quick.

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/MVMVLN267XCY2HS5KL25QTQRKQ John

          Yes but here we are 11 years later and the taliban are still there poised to take over. Another humiliating vietnam style defeat for the greatest military in the world. you cannot beat these people.

          • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

            We could beat them if our troops were allowed to do their jobs and we didn’t have a traitor in the White House.

            • OneThinDime

              Well said!

              • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

                thank you.

        • Amjean

          I agree that it should have been quick.

          By prolonging the war for nearly a decade, which companies made
          millions/billions from our involvement in “nation building”.

          We need to stop this madness.

          • OneThinDime

            Rules of Engagement are also part and parcel of the problem. I am fine that we enabled women and girls to become educated in Iraq but I do agree that we should not be rebuilding their entire nation.

      • Amjean

        I agree.

      • NWIGOP

        No. First off, we do not hate Muslims so I do not see reason to keep them from the United States. Second, we do not want to shut our borders because we love that people want to come to the United States we just want them secure so that people will not come here illegally. It must be secure for the sake of our economy and national security. Third, we got into WWI too late and that was horrible. How many people could have been spared from the death camps? In the wake of WWI we absolved NEVER AGAIN. The United States has a place in the world, it is not what we wanted but what we have. It is both a honor and a curse, while I do not disagree that our allies armies are strong I would say that the United States Military is the strongest on earth and therefore uniquely qualified to handle entanglements. This does not always mean war, it is the idea of peace through strength. I would rather have the United States in that position instead of Russia or China. We will be vigilant, we will be cautious, we will be strong, and if the time comes we will fight…with a long overdue declaration of war.

    • mike3e4r7

      When bringing up our founding fathers, why is it that you don’t bring up President Jefferson’s war against the Barbary pirates?

      • 57thunderbird

        Great point!

      • OneThinDime

        It would be great if you could expand on this so other readers may learn from your knowledge!

        • mike3e4r7
          • OneThinDime

            Thank you.

        • Guest1776rcp

          When its brought out that Jefferson also wrote a letter to the muslims stating that the U.S.A. is NOT a Christian Nation some heads are going to explode around here.

          IMO, George Washington would not have gone to war in Iraq and I seriously doubt Reagan would have either. Fighting unending wars abroad while losing liberties at home is not Conservative at all and comes right out of an Orwell novel. Don’t know about you folks but I don’t want to live in a socialist police state, not here, nor in Israel because thats what we’re becoming, we’re becoming Israel and Israel is a socilaist police state whether you like it or not.

          Read George Washington’s farewell address, also listen to Ike warning of the military industrial complex in his, find a happy medium. The way we are doing it now is UNSUSTAINABLE and its not very CONSEVATIVE to borrow money from China to have troops in Germany, just as it isn’t wise to borrow money from China to give people in this country free stuff or for that matter give any other nation free stuff. Its Unsustainable!

          Rand Paul is not crazy cuckoo like his father because Rand recognizes that we already meddled in foreign nation’s business. IMO Rand Paul meets that happy medium of pragmatism, conservatism, fiscal sense and liberty.

          My opinion I could be wrong.

          • OneThinDime

            The world is not George Washington’s time. George Washington would never have contemplated radical islamic jihadists flying jet planes into our Twin Towers (nor imagined either would ever exist), could not have contemplated how small this world would become with communication and technology, could not have predicted the evils of Adolf Hitler or the evil actions Morsi and other ME “leaders” would take against Christians. Israel was not a country during Washington’s time.

            As to Jefferson, he was not a muslim worshiper and if something “surfaces” it will lack context because no one today was alive during that period and can say for certainty he penned it or the reasons for doing so.

            • Guest1776rcp

              Washington’s advice is timeless, the sanctions forced on Germany after WWI are what made Hitler’s rise to power possible in the first place.

              Not going to drag the thread into a discussion of Jefferson and his views on religion but there is also the little piece of history called the Treaty of Tripoli as far as the topic goes.

              • OneThinDime

                So you are blaming the West for Hitler and his murder of over 6 million Jews. Got it.

                • Guest1776rcp

                  You are blaming the West for killing over 6 million Jews, I blame Hitler and his occult for that but yes the West is responsible for Hitler’s rise to power in the first place.

            • Guest1776rcp

              Also, be careful with that “the world today is not George Washington’s time” Bullchit because that’s exactly the argument liberals use to trash the Constitution.

              • OneThinDime

                Our founding Constitution has nothing to do with technology and communication possible today.

    • BS61

      Then why did Thomas Jefferson go to war with Muslims? To protect Americans!

  • colliemum

    Excellent commentary, 911Infidel.

    This § is something which should be sent to all congress critters:
    “Muslims aren’t shaped by their history. Muslims are shaped by their field manuals: the Koran, Hadith, Sira and Umdat as-Salik wa ‘Uddat an-Nasik (Reliance of the Traveler and Tools of the Worshipper – the manual of Sharia law.”

    Indeed.
    I cannot understand why our governments (politicians, their advisors, the civil servants) do not understand what drives islam. They’ve had at least ten years to learn about it.
    We have – we have studied, we have learned, and there are more and more citizens across nations who no longer accept the soft lies by the establishment and their propaganda machines.
    Also, we are no longer afraid to speak out, we’re no longer cowed by being called ‘racist’ by the usual suspects.

    When will the politicians finally get it and change their tune?
    I hope they learn before it is too late for all of us!

    • StrangernFiction

      They are not interested in understanding it, they are interested in staying in office.

    • Amjean

      Poppycock! One must separate the religion from the people running and
      benefitting from heading up the “religion”.

      Just like there are catholics who don’t practice abstinence before marriage,
      do practice birth control, don’t pray the rosary, go to confession, etc.
      I am sure there are millions of muslims who just want to pray and be left
      alone.

      Surely there are those that use the religion of Islam to rape and marry
      5 year olds, marry multiple partners, keep women enslaved and kill jews
      and christians. However, many of them just want to be left alone to raise their families just like the rest of us.

      I agree their religion has not gotten out of the dark ages. However, we
      cannot paint all people with a broad brush. Many muslims do not believe
      in sharia law just like I don’t believe catholic women cannot be priests.

      • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

        The problem is, islam is not a religion. It’s an ideology. Look at many muslims who live in the west. I used to think the same way, that the majority of them want to live in peace and raise their families- but the small pockets of those, are apostates according to their own teachings.
        Many who live in the west, when polled support sharia law, support terrorists- because they see them as “freedom fighters” and support the idea of spreading islam in the west. We have cities taken over like Deerborn Michigan and Murphysboro Tennessee, and soon we will look a lot like Britain where there are muslim only zones.

        • tinlizzieowner

          Islam IS the state. there are only 2 forms of Islamic government.
          An Autocratic Islamic Dictatorship, or a Theocratic Islamic Dictatorship.
          Some of the Brits are beginning to catch on though.
          http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=wq_lhlIn1e0

          • 57thunderbird

            That video says it all.We could sing that same song here about all the illegals.

            • tinlizzieowner

              We’re very slow learners, sadly. ;-(

          • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

            I agree completely tinlizzieowner. I’ve been studying islam since before 9/11 (the first one- not Benghazi) and I agree completely.

        • Amjean

          I think you are correct about the “pockets” of those who were purposely
          brought to this country to affect sharia law being imposed on the rest of
          us by virtue of political correctness. I also believe these same pockets
          are filled with troublemakers of all kinds. Under Obama the muslim population has increased. All the muslims I know are middle class business
          owners, doctors, etc. They are so happy to be in this country. The problem is that the state department (whomever) keeps letting in people
          with no education who have nothing in the way of benefit to offer this country; however, are takers from the tax payers.

          This is where Europe got in trouble. Thousands of muslim youths without
          jobs, torching cars, etc. This is all orchestrated to bring down a country’s society. We see it here too. However, our economy is so large that it is taking a bit longer. Therefore, it is not Islam itself, although
          as I said it is still in the dark ages and has not evolved, it is the people we bring here. On purpose, yes.

          • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

            We can’t forget too that the UN also allows (orders) the US to take in “refugees” from places like Somalia… interesting though that those who get amnesty are muslim and not the persecuted Christians from those countries. :-(

            • Amjean

              Right, these “refugees” bring nothing to the US table except ignorance,
              a lack of willingness to learn english or conform to our laws,
              and additionally drain tax payer resources. They are mostly an ungrateful lot who want to suck on the teet of government largesse.

      • keyesforpres

        The majority of muslims believe in shariah law and killing their daughters and wives for any reason under the sun.

        Muslims, they’re peaceful….until they’re not.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OQI5D66OXO7X2FE4NVCZC7BAMA Joe

    Rand Paul seems to be pandering to whomever – when necessary

    I agree that he is not to be trusted

    Rubio seems to have turned –

    (actually I never liked him anyway – He seems to full of himself)

    Ted Cruz may be our only hope – BUT I will wait until we know more

    Being elected seems to flip on the a$$hole switch in their brains –

    300 Million people in this Country and we can’t find a good leader ?

    • mike3e4r7

      Good summary Joe, and good post 911Infidel. I agree about Cruz. He looks promising, but let’s wait before we rush into anything. Rubio is a joke, and the more I hear Rand Paul talk about foreign policy, the more suspicious I become. He’s always there to distance himself from isolationist foreign policies in the most general terms (i.e. Of course we need a strong national defence, but we need to prioritize, etc.)

      It’s like when you hear Obama talking about taking a balanced approach to anything, and then when and if you hear the specifics, balance is the last word that pops into your head.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OQI5D66OXO7X2FE4NVCZC7BAMA Joe

        Thanks Mike

        I am not sure what kind of
        BALANCE SCALE zero is using

        Maybe it’s the “cocaine” scale he used in Haaarvard!

        I’m sure he screwed those people too!

        • mike3e4r7

          Lol!

  • NanNJ

    Wow. I guess I took Rand Paul’s speech wrong. I liked what he had to say for the most part. I was all for getting rid of Saddam in Iraq, I’m glad we bombed the heck out of Afganistan, but enough is enough. Bush stayed too long in Afganistan and Obama, well he is just a fool. I think Rand might be on to something. We have way too much to worry about here, and no money to pay for it.

    • mike3e4r7

      We’re spending about a trillion dollars a year more than we were five years ago, but our military spending is being cut. First, you eliminate the departments of Educatioin, EPA, Department of Energy, defund the UN, cut longterm unemployment, food stamps, etc. Then it makes sense to take a responsible look at cutting out REAL waste in military spending, which doesn’t mean slashing R&D and eliminating vital weapons programs and calling that waste.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/MVMVLN267XCY2HS5KL25QTQRKQ John

        A lot of the “vital” weapons are not really that vital and are simply appropriated by members of congress to their districts to bring home the bacon.

        • mike3e4r7

          Fair enough. But distinguishing between pork, and vital military programs, is not a decision I trust to leftist like Obama, or to isolationists.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/MVMVLN267XCY2HS5KL25QTQRKQ John

            I think you need good generals to identify what is needed and they need to be independent with no ties to defense contractors. The B2 is a classic case of an expensive and unnecessary weapon. Each B2 ‘stealth’ bomber costs 4 billion. The terrorists in the caves of afghanistan have no radar to hide from.

      • TLaMana

        We need to pull out of Europe completely and consider getting out of Asia. Europe can handle it’s own defense.

      • OneThinDime

        Very simple cuts can be made to public employee benefits, let them pay for their own health insurance either through 100% payroll deduction or through an insurance exchange (ObamaCare’s individual mandate), they should have public-financed pension (personal 401k like private company employees). These alone would be immediate savings and easy to implement.

    • 1endtimes2020

      For all intents and purposed, America is bankrupt. The Federal Reserve, which is not a Federal institution, nor does it hold a reserve, is owned by bankers who print money on demand and lend it to the Federal government at low interest. As long as it is allowed to print money, the country will keep rolling along, providing other countries accept America’s currency.
      Whenever the currency is no longer recognized, there goes the economy, and probably the economies of the world also.
      That being said, America shouldn’t be sending planes and tanks to Egypt, making it that much more difficult for Israel to defend itself. Israel should have been the recipient of those assets.
      Better yet, America needs to build up its military for its own defenses.
      I’m very, very concerned America is leaving itself vulberable to invasion.
      I know it sounds far fetched. China has trained almost 300 million soldiers, and counting. These are Pentagon numbers. Their army is equivalent to one soldier for every American citizen.
      China is making thousands of long range missiles, capable of reaching anywhere in North America. They are working on ways to disable all electricity in America for months at a time. They have an aircraft carrier, stealth fighters, submarines and ships. We are paying for it with every purchase we make from products ‘Made in China’, that used to be ‘Made in USA’. Our CEOs continue to invest in China, rather than at home.
      Amerian citizens have been sold out a long time ago, in the interest of providing ‘a level playing field’ for all countries. Somehow, doing this will result in world peace. All we have to do is contain radical Islam.
      The best thing we can do is bring back all our military stationed in over 100 countries around the world. They can get to know every part of American terrain, and how to defend it.
      Germany went from poverty to a huge economy by building up its armed forces.
      We only need to ‘make sure’, as Obama continues to say, that we elect an ‘America First” government in both houses. We need to contain mosques and clerics and be prepared to send home any suspects of militant terrorists within America’s borders. We need to have a large military at the U.S. Mexican borders, and return illegals ‘in force’, letting illegals know who runs the show here. Keep those Mexican warlords worried about sending drugs here. We need to be strict against Americans using drugs, by a long term campaign of vigilance towards media acceptance of them, Follywood using comedy to promote them, and substituting healthy living for the dangerous drug effects that kill hundreds of thousands of Americans each year, and make many more very ill with a multitude of diseases.
      Yes, we want a very strong military. so that ‘no country would even think of starting a war with America’, as we have heard from our politicians over and over again. That strong military should be within our own borders, not spread out in thin lines all over the world.
      When we elect leaders, there is no mention of how we want our leaders to get involved with other problems all over the world. We elect them to work for us. What’s wrong with “America 1st”, when that is the position of every other country in the world? Nothing.
      Every voter needs to write to their representatives and ask them if they are for an ‘America 1st” policy, or America 2nd, or 3rd, or last.
      It’stime we began to do some ‘screening’ of our own, so we know who to vote for, and to let politicians, now unknown, that patriotic Americans have a chance to be elected, and without having to raise millions of dollars. All media will have to provide FREE access to politicians so they can have their voices heard.
      There is no longer any useful purpose for American troops to be scatterd all over the world. In the next war, soldiers will be caught up in nuclear warfare, and we will regret having left them there in foreign lands to be annihilated, instead of being a huge force here in America.
      In my view, this is what the world has come to. Business as usual won’t work anymore.

      • NanNJ

        …China has also created an abnormal society. There are 167 men to 100 women. This means there is a whole under belly of vagrant men not able to marry. History has shown that when this skew in population happens, the country goes to war to kill off these men.

        • 1endtimes2020

          Woooo—–now THAT’S a profound thought

        • OneThinDime

          China has not valued their females for quite some time.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/MVMVLN267XCY2HS5KL25QTQRKQ John

    you didn’t address the fact that America has a 16.8 trillion dollar debt and a 1 trillion/year deficit and has to make cuts to the Federal budget. Closing bases overseas in Germany, Japan and Korea makes perfect sense. Are you a conservative?

    • 57thunderbird

      Germany and Japan perhaps?Korea no.North Korea is working with Iran.

      • 1endtimes2020

        The last time America fought in Korea, was under General Douglas McArthur. A Democrat President, Harry Truman, had him fight with one hand tied behind his back. There were allies there, and when it started to look as though North Korea would be pushed back, China entered the war.
        North Korea apparently has nukes. It threatens to use them, even against America, that has actually sent them food in the past. So, South Korea should have nukes too. It’s a ‘nuke’ story just as our ‘gun control’ story is here. If only the bad guy has the advantage, the good guy lives in anxiety. When both have armaments, it’s a standoff. American soldiers don’t need to be in South Korea, as long as that country can defend itself adequately. Is South Korea paying us for the troops we have there? No. They compete with our own countries, though, while we pay the freight to protect them. Our blood and treasure is in the past, and now only our treasure. Enough is enough. Sorry, South Korea, but you’ve had plenty of time to have a defense plan, but as long as we will be on the front lines, you’ll let us. Nuts to that, anymore.

    • 911Infidel

      Yeah right. Like that’s an excuse to hollow out our military. There is plenty of government waterels that can be cut to the bone or eliminated like the Rural Electrification Project, Dept Of Education, EPA and many more.

      Am I a conservative? Well that’s a question by a person who knows nothing about me.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/MVMVLN267XCY2HS5KL25QTQRKQ John

        Overseas spending is easier to cut because the effects are not seen at home. There is no good reason why there are still bases in the UK, Germany, Italy and Japan. America is subsidizing those countries national defense with its continued presence and there hundreds of other bases around the world. The US spends more on its military than the next 20 countries combined.

        If you are as conservative as you claim then you would support Rand Paul’s quest to audit the Pentagon in order to see what is really national defense and what is unnecessary waste (and in some cases fraud).

        • mike3e4r7

          That’s a false choice John. I don’t think too many people here would disagree with Rand Paul’s idea of auditing the Pentagon, as long as the goal was to address real waste. The problem is, that when you have people who believe a strong U.S. military is the problem not the solution, being in charge of deciding what is wasteful and what isn’t, that should raise the alarm for anyone who wants America to maintain its strength.

          As far as cutting overseas spending because its effects are not seen at home, that is short sighted. As a conservative, I’m sure you’re in favor of cutting welfare, food stamps, slashing the buerocracies in the EPA, Dept. of Education, etc. yet, such cuts, though necessary, will be felt at home in the short run. So, should we not make those cuts? And what about closing foreign bases because the effects won’t be felt at home? Again, maybe in the short term, but if they are strategically important bases, the long term consequences could be very big.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/MVMVLN267XCY2HS5KL25QTQRKQ John

            Yes, I want to cut them all but it’s easier to get the Dimocrats to sign on to cuts if it’s not their favorite welfare program. We have to start some where and the consensus should be to close a lot of these overseas bases and end foreign aid. Sooner or later the choice will have to be made. Then we can talk about the other programs.

            • unclesamnephew

              demo-rats will never cut social programs. it is how they stay in power, by being a santa claus

        • OneThinDime

          Have you served in the military? Are you aware of why we have military bases around the world? Are you aware that the fighter jets in Italy were only 2 hours from Benghazi and could have been used to save our people? This is why we need to have military bases strategically located in allied countries.

        • 911Infidel

          Military spending on basing overseas is part of the defense of this country.It also provides a ton of jobs. The effects of those cuts are most definitely felt at home. Go ask all the people facing sequester right now.

          And skip the diatribes about “if you are a conservative”. My cred has already been established.

      • JohnMartin Mull

        There is plenty of government waste. I finally agree with you. Like $1 trillion a year on the pentagon and associated programs. Like spending almost 2x’s more than the next 13 countries combined on military. You, my friend, are a BIG GOVERNMENT CONSERVATIVE.

        • OneThinDime

          Could you please provide specifics that make up the $1 Trillion/year gov’t waste in the pentagon and associated programs?

          • mike3e4r7

            I think the moderators gave ‘JohnMartin Mull’ the axe. But even if they hadn’t, I doubt you’d have gotten a reasonable answer from him.

        • 911Infidel

          Oh BTW his name was Irving Kristol not William. William is his son. I’m taling about his father. Obviously you didn’t bother to read the article now did ya?

      • Amjean

        This is not a black or white issue. There is waste in every corner of
        government largesse. Just because some of us do not want to waste dollars
        and make companies rich off of wars, just because we don’t see the benefit
        of arming our enemies, just because we don’t want to nation build, just
        because we see trillions of our tax dollars spent to promote a decades
        long war; our infrastructure at home is crumbling while we are rebuilding
        Iraq, doesn’t mean we are isolationists. Perhaps we are pragmatic constitutional conservatives who love OUR liberty.

        As my grandmother used to say, “charity begins at home”. We spend far
        too much overseas.

        • OneThinDime

          With the amount of federal and state gas taxes paid in this country, the infrastructure should not be crumbling. The money is being used for “pet projects” instead of sustaining infrastructure and wise investment (ie new CA rail, Caltrans’ Devil’s Slide Tunnel project has run about $30 million over budget, ARC tunnel in NJ as much as $5 billion over budget)

        • 911Infidel

          It is a black and white issue as far as I’m concerned. There are way too enemies that want to kill us because that’s what they have been doing for 1400 years. China wants to dominate our friends in the far east and NK wants to take out SK.

          This is not the time to cut defense. We spend way too much at home..Like the so-called stimulous program. Or throwing more money after bad in education. Or giving illegals the same bennies as citizens.

          The first obligation and duty of any government is to protect its people from their enemies, not to cut and run because its too expensive.

          • Amjean

            Sorry, I am not buying into the argument. You and I and most others have no clue how much of our tax dollars are being mispent, going down the rabbit
            hole of defense spending. I liken the cry of “no defense cuts because the
            country will be without an adequate defense” to the teachers unions cries of
            “its for the children!”. Lets be sensible here. To label Rand Paul with the “isolationist” term is wrong. The definition of the term is: “believing in a national policy advocating freedom from foreign political and economic alliances.” Rand Paul alluded to no such thing.

            The fact that we are giving billions of dollars in aid, etc. to Egypt
            is wrong….just plain wrong…and you know the reasons. In fact, I believe it is close to treasonous to be giving money and arms to some
            of these countries.

            • 911Infidel

              “Sorry, I am not buying into the argument. You and I and most others have no clue how much of our tax dollars is being mispent, going down the rabbit
              hole of defense spending.”

              Seriously dude/dudesss you’re a parrot.

              I don’t buy Ron Paul products. The merchandise is defective.

              • Amjean

                “Dude/dudesss”? Seriously? Your words betray your immaturity. But, don’t
                worry, you will grow up and in your later years it will all begin to add up.
                We were all naive when we were younger.

                • 911Infidel

                  No there sparky, you mistake immaturity for contempt. And you’re just pi$$ing in the wind anyways.

    • 1endtimes2020

      You’re right, John, but I did say the country is bankrupt. I assumed everyone knew about the amount of the debt.
      There’s so much more that I could have written, but then, the commentary would have been too long.
      Yes, I am a conservative—very traditional conservative—so much so that I hope every good American would press their political representatives for a renewal—not the kind of change a la Obama, but back to the America 1st that existed before we listened to those who said we should not be isolationists, and we had a responsibility to police the world.
      WRONG…. and I’ll tell you why I think it’s wrong, without being selfish.
      It’s okay to help starving people in parts of the world, as long as it goes directly and quickly TO the people, and not dispersed by trusting their governments.
      It’s okay to help our allies when there’s a chance they will lose a war to despots. But it isn’t necessary that we patrol over 100 countries in the world. We just end up being hated, and even attacked within our borders.
      America welcomes people ready to put their suffering past behind them and want to participate with America for a renewal in their lives. Doing that is plenty good enough. So I say let’s “Renew America. Be Part of It.”

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/MVMVLN267XCY2HS5KL25QTQRKQ John

    Western “occupation” – What’s that? A Paleocon buzz word for the State of Israel?

    He’s refering to the bases in Saudi Arabia that the hijackers and OBL himself gave as a reason for the 9/11 attack. 15 of the hijackers came from Saudi Arabia and they see those bases as supporting a despotic monarchy and they’re on what they deem Holy Land

    • las1

      “that the hijackers and OBL himself gave as a reason for the 9/11 attack.”

      Keep sipping that libertarian slurpee there John. You may want to Inform yourself on the real motive of OBL and Al Qaeda. It’s all about the Sunnah and the core doctrines of authoritative and doctrinaire Islam.

      Here read this… then come back and tell us what OBL says and the reasons for Al Qaeda doing what they do.
      http://www.amazon.com/The-Qaeda-Reader-Raymond-Ibrahim/dp/B005ZOIL2K

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/MVMVLN267XCY2HS5KL25QTQRKQ John

        According to former CIA analyst Michael Scheuer, who led the CIA’s hunt for Osama bin Laden, the al Qaeda leader was motivated by a belief that U.S. foreign policy has oppressed, killed, or otherwise harmed Muslims in the Middle East,[48] condensed in the phrase, “They hate us for what we do, not who we are.”

        • las1

          “They hate us for what we do, not who we are.”
          Sorry Scheuer really! He’s the very epitome of a Brennan soon-to-be-controlled CIA.

          Are you going to believe what these barbarians preach and teach to each other, or are you going to believe what they say for Western consumption and to the all-believing fools like Scheuer.

          Sorry… Scheuer blew his credibility by buying the justifications OBL was peddling.

        • 911Infidel

          Michael Scheuer? He’s a joke all by himself. He’s got about as much cred in the intel community as OBL does. The dude went “native” long ago and has more sympathy with AQ than his own country. His opinion is worthless.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/MVMVLN267XCY2HS5KL25QTQRKQ John

            Scheuer was the section chief for the bin Laden unit for many years, what’s your cred in the intel community?

            • las1

              Using your logic would make you a big supporter of Bush 43, now wouldn’t it. After all he was President for “many years”.

              You are aware that an appeal to the “authority of an expert” is more times than not a thin support for an argument.

              In this case Scheuer’s take on AQ’s motives is dead wrong, and provably wrong.

            • 911Infidel

              Don’t care. I follow all things intel. The AQ Reader shot his theories all to pi$$. Then there was Bruce Bauer’s book. I follow all the old intel guys who know their stuff. I don’t waste my time with “nativist” Edward Said types like Scheuer.

    • 911Infidel

      I know that and its also a buzz word for Israel.

  • 57thunderbird

    I do agree with RS that there is no such thing as a moderate Muslim.I also agree that Islam is an ideology and not a religion.I am not very well versed in foreign policy so I will avoid that subject until I am.I do believe a war with Iran is inevitable.Is rectalcranial inversion contagious in DC?

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/MVMVLN267XCY2HS5KL25QTQRKQ John

      This is a complete myth, there are millions of moderate American Muslims and European muslims. Yes, they’re citizens too and they’re living in your community (well maybe not yours but you get the idea) they tend to be highly educated and not interested in radical islam.

      • 57thunderbird

        I disagree.There are Muslim terrorists and the rest fund them.

        • http://www.therightscoop.com/ The Right Scoop

          There’s a lot of truth to that, but I wouldn’t lump ALL of them in together. But you are right that many muslims fund terrorism.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/MVMVLN267XCY2HS5KL25QTQRKQ John

            90% of Muslim American’s voted for Bush and now most of them are voting Democrat. Keep demonizing them and you’ll keep losing their vote. it is insane politics.

            • OneThinDime

              So are you saying the GOP needs to welcome and embrace Sharia law? Are you saying that all employers must provide prayer rooms and paid time for them to pray? Nonsense.

            • rsfan1

              Maybe they’re prescient, as Bush opened the borders for the muslims.

              • OneThinDime

                And Obama removed border security and ordered them to Stand Down, he also lifted the ban on Saudis entering.

            • 1endtimes2020

              They vote democrat because they know Obama is one of them. They voted for Bush because he said Islam was a great religion.
              It all depends which way the wind is blowing, and for the next four years it’s an Obama wind.

          • TLaMana

            Many Democrats fund terrorism by giving to Muslim “charities”

            • 1endtimes2020

              Yes, and then claim it on their income tax.

      • 911Infidel

        The words of one who is equally as uninformed about Islam as is Rand Paul.

        • aposematic

          Well, I doubt Rand Paul would be funding and arming the Islamists like the D’s and R’s are actually doing as we write.

          • 911Infidel

            That would be surprising since he knows nothing about them to begin with. His understanding of them is from a western mindset not an eastern one. So anything goes as far as that score is concerned.

      • Conniption Fitz

        We certainly do not hear of these moderate muslims wishing Israel well. Or trying to cause an end to the death threats, missile attacks, suicide bombings, continual accusations and lies against Israel.

      • las1

        Sorry… moderate Islam is the myth. You are just so poorly informed. Is that by accident or on purpose? Do you want sources, or do you want to remain in the miasma of delusion. Seriously John, you are desperately in need of some education. If you want sources, we all will gladly help you out.

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/MVMVLN267XCY2HS5KL25QTQRKQ John

          There are many proud Muslim American’s. Keep demonizing them and wanting to wage wars overseas and they will never vote GOP again. Bush promised a humble foreign policy and 90% of muslims supported him!

          • 57thunderbird

            And Obamao went on a ME apology tour.How has that worked out?I guess you think they love us now?Where do you get the info on how many Muslims voted for either candidate?Links?

            • http://profile.yahoo.com/MVMVLN267XCY2HS5KL25QTQRKQ John

              He’s getting their votes and is in power so doesn’t care… if the GOP want to be in power again they will need to reach out to Muslim American’s. That means quit demonizing them and following a less aggressive foreign policy as Rand Paul is outlining.

              • 57thunderbird

                How do you know that he is getting their votes?Maybe they want the free stuff that he promises.Like an Obamaphone.

                • http://profile.yahoo.com/MVMVLN267XCY2HS5KL25QTQRKQ John

                  80% of muslims voted for Bush in 2000 who promised them a humble foreign policy, in 2004 about 50% did after the wars and in 2012 80% of them voted for Obama. These people are highly educated and earn more than the average salary and are natural GOP voters who some in the party are intent on demonizing and with an aggressive foreign policy will never get their vote again

                • 57thunderbird

                  Not buying what you are selling.Sorry.You have yet to provide proof of the percentages which you are presenting.Where are you getting your stats?

                • http://profile.yahoo.com/MVMVLN267XCY2HS5KL25QTQRKQ John

                  It’s all sourced here based on the exit polls
                  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_the_United_States

                  Look under ‘Politics’

                • 57thunderbird

                  First of all,when I said Muslim,it was my intention to say Islamists.There are no moderate Islamists.Secondly,I don’t consider wikipedia a very reliable source for much of anything.I will look anyway.Istand by my statement that there are many many American Muslims that are funneling money to the jihadists through their mosques.Until the moderate Muslims condemn the jihadists in a loud clear voice,I will remain suspicious.

                • OneThinDime

                  Great authority, Wikipedia, NOT

                • MikhailKennedy

                  Don’t mean to butt into your discussion but I would say that If the GOP is going to pander to special interest groups then embracing the gay lifestyle would yield more % of the population as Muslims are less than 2% of the US population. Maybe we should embrace supporting abortion too.

                • http://profile.yahoo.com/MVMVLN267XCY2HS5KL25QTQRKQ John

                  No, you dont have to pander just be inclusive and welcoming to Muslims rather than demonize them and insult their religion. The same applies to blacks and hispanics. we cannot go losing these voting blocks 80-90% to the Democrats and ever hope to win

                • MikhailKennedy

                  Islam does not fit well with conservatism. They believe that special interest groups deserve more rights (themselves) than other people. They believe that women, Jews, Christians and others are less than they are. Let the democrats have them.

                • 1endtimes2020

                  We can be inclusive without contaminating ourselves.

                • OneThinDime

                  Great points! The GOP could gain much more support if they pandered to Americans that believe in the Constitution!

                • OneThinDime

                  Gee I wonder if they voted for Obama because he is helping put in place radical jihadists in the Middle East and has opened up our borders so millions of radicals can come on in. http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/region_central_southern_az/other/terrorists-crossing-az-border-into-u.s.%3F#ixzz2JR4FOVAk

                • 1endtimes2020

                  The next thing you’re going to say is you’re converting to Islam.
                  What a hell of a thing that would be for you.

              • las1

                The so-called moderate Muslims are demonizing themselves by remaining silent about female genital mutilation, honor killings, kidnappings of Christian school girls in Indonesia, the burning of churches with congregants in them in Nigeria, destruction of churches in Egypt, beheading, maiming, terrorist bombings, acid attacks …etc. etc.

                “”There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn’t true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true.”
                Søren Kierkegaard

              • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

                Sure. Appease them to get their votes, and they come and drop a few dirty bombs in some of our biggest cities. That’s worked well in the past.

                • OneThinDime

                  Or fly planes into buildings filled with innocents, strap bombs onto their bodies and enter a crowded facility. There is nothing they won’t do to accomplish their goal to destroy their “enemies”.

                • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

                  yep. :-(

              • 1endtimes2020

                Muslims have already demonized themselves when they follow the Islamic cult.

          • las1

            And keep walking in the Ron Paul fog and miss what’s really going on. It’s your choice.

            • http://profile.yahoo.com/MVMVLN267XCY2HS5KL25QTQRKQ John

              National bankruptcy and a collapse of the dollar will mean no national defense and no pay for the soldiers. If we get a grip of spending then we can have a sustainable national defense in the true sense of the word i.e be prepared if anyone attacks

              • las1

                I will only agree with you on one issue… the economy.

                But America has an existential threat from Islam right now. Of course you Paulites will never accept that reality. And by the time all the debt and spending is under control there will be no more America standing to be so proud of for its balanced budgets and controlled spending now, will there. And besides the trajectory of Paulite foreign policy denies the truth of America’s enemies and like your argument reduces the choices to either/or.

                Like Infidel911 said, that’s no excuse an “to hollow out our military”

                • http://profile.yahoo.com/MVMVLN267XCY2HS5KL25QTQRKQ John

                  The threat is recognized but understanding why the threat exists is crucial to defeating it.

                  They do not hate America because it has a U.S constitution. This is unlikely to provide a clarion call to terrorists. It is more to do with American foreign policy, the overseas bases on Holy Land and so on. Maybe you should listen to them or even talk to them. The UK spoke to the IRA and they were cold blooded terrorists blowing up British cities and came close to killing Margaret Thatcher when they bombed her hotel during a party conference. They were sworn enemies but still talked and in the end negotiated a peace.

                • las1

                  Well you certainly are a poster boy for drawing all the wrong conclusions about America’s issue with Islam. Facts are not your greater strength.

                  I’ve referenced some reading. I’ll add to your list. Bat Ye’or’s work, Andrew McCarthy’s work, or Frank Gaffney and Robert Spencer for starters.

                  Heck… got to Atlas Shrugs, http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/ Jihad Watch, Jihadwatch.com and Walid Shoebat walidshoebat.com and http://www.faithfreedom.org/ This is only for starters.

                  John… seriously… you are just so far behind. Until you inform yourself you will wonder in the fantasy world of Ron Paul and be totally clueless.

                  Do yourself this one tiny favor… watch Bill Warner’s run down on so-called “radical Islam” and absorb it.

                • http://profile.yahoo.com/MVMVLN267XCY2HS5KL25QTQRKQ John

                  Why would I go and visit those sites? These people, who claim to be Republicans but are not , are doing more damage to the GOP than any libertarian could do. We need to connect with Muslims again and get them voting GOP in large numbers along with the libertarians a million of whom voted for Johnson and a million more probably sat at home, that’s about 3 million votes there and that’s how you win the presidency. If you go round hawking war they will not listen. This is what is hurting the GOP. Try and be inclusive and tolerant, obviously these people are not and should just go away as they’re hurting party outreach efforts.

                • las1

                  Connect with Muslims! You’ll be connecting with Muslims all right… under the Shariah. Good luck with that.

                  Still stuck on your Ron Paul platitudes aren’t you. Evidently a deluded and uninformed mind is your primary calling. You didn’t even avail yourself of the one simple YouTube clip on radical Islam. What would it cost you? Twenty three minutes! No… your mind is made up in face of the overwhelming evidence. Astounding.

                • http://profile.yahoo.com/MVMVLN267XCY2HS5KL25QTQRKQ John

                  Give me a break dude… there is a threat to American’s because there are Americans all over the world. If we weren’t poking our nose into Libya’s business Stevens would not be dead – he should never have been there in the 1st place. Now if you’re worried about another 9/11 attack it’s worth remembering that our intelligence agencies completely failed on that day and that a lot of money is thrown in their direction.. along with the state dept who issued them student visas and the FBI , the list is endless. The pilots should have also been armed but were disarmed by anti-2nd amendment forces within the government and airline industry.

                  Either way, there is no immediate threat to America, nobody can touch us so chill out

                • las1

                  there is no immediate threat to America, nobody can touch us

                  You mean like they did on 911.You hold onto that dream there fella. And besides, the threat is from within, starting at Obama and his relationship to the Muslim Brotherhood. Or are you ignorant of that as well.

                  And all those failures you list are the failure of American FP and the failure to understand the enemy. It definitely does not support your position.

                  Do yourself a favor… watch that radical islam clip by Bill Warren. Until then you have nothing of value to contribute to this discussion.

                  Otherwise remain content in your ignorance.

                • tinlizzieowner

                  “there is no immediate threat to America, nobody can touch us”.

                  Google ‘The America First Committee’. The anti-war isolationists before WW2. They were half a million strong, including several very important members of government. Charles Lindbergh was their celebrity spokesman. My parents were members.
                  The America First Committee quietly disappeared into obscure history on Dec. 11 1941. ;-) ;-)

                • las1

                  tinlizzie… that comment was quite something. I wasn’t quite prepared for it… that’s for sure. Took me a while to pick my jaw up off the floor.

                • OneThinDime

                  As others have posted on this site, Libertarians, including you, are responsible for 4 more years of destruction to this country because you were sore losers and “took your marbles and went home”. I pray you are not married and do not have daughters for they will suffer most from your ignorance.

                  Please also know that Libertarians are not part of the conservative party. You have your own party and your candidates like Rand Paul should run as such rather than misleading voters on who they really are and the platform they really adopt.

                • OneThinDime

                  John is a typical PaulBot

                • las1

                  Yeah it looks like that doesn’t it.

                • aposematic

                  Last time I looked there were no Libertarians in charge of anything our Government is presently doing, heck anything our Government has ever done. So what’s your beef. The hollowing out of our Military is by D’s and R’s since they both at different times are and have always been the only one’s in control of our Government.

                • las1

                  So if libertarianism is not an issue, why are you responding?

                  It’s an issue because a man will be running for President who is advocating a Ron Paul like foreign policy. And a Rand Paul foreign policy such as what Ron Paul has advocated, would be totally unprepared for the “critical”… not important… not serious… but “critical” need to confront Islam. And this is an issue most Paulites refuse to take seriously.

                  But for now it is informed speculation what a Rand Paul would do, and Ron is off the stage, but his followers aren’t.

                  But you are absolutely correct the military has declined by both R’s and D’s, but it has not exited the international stage in the same manner that the “non-interventionist” (isolationist imho) dictates of libertarianism propose.

                • aposematic

                  Basically complaining about what might be ignores what is and that is my point. Is what Obuma is doing worse than what Rand Paul might do. Right now, this very minute, who would you rather have running our foreign policy: Rand Paul or Obuma?

                • las1

                  Given a choice, I’d pick Paul. There! You happy. He’s still got serious wonky foreign policy issues.

                  How about getting on board with Allen West. Got something against him? He understands the foreign policy issues and strategic concerns much better than Rand Paul.

                • OneThinDime

                  But we are not in the position to choose Obama or Rand Paul. We have the ability to identify and properly vet the 2016 POTUS and VP candidates and that is what we must do.

                • OneThinDime

                  Rand Paul is a Libertarian, elected under the Republican ticket and may likely run for POTUS as a Republican. Too bad he won’t run under his true party.

                • las1

                  If his FP ideas are like Ron… he’s another vote stealer imho. If they could just divorce themselves from their FP, they might have a chance…. and I maybe could support him.

                • OneThinDime

                  Rand Paul will also run under the GOP ticket when he in fact is a Libertarian which is not the same.

                • OneThinDime

                  Rand Paul is a libertarian who ran under the GOP ticket. He is voting daily. So was his daddy and also voted on legislation. How many others are doing the same?

                • aposematic

                  Obviously not nearly enough!

                • OneThinDime

                  On the contrary, too many. If Rand Paul deceives on his party affiliation, what else is he deceiving on with his run for potus.

              • OneThinDime

                The number one priority of the federal gov’t is to protect this country and her citizens.

                • 1endtimes2020

                  Militarily, and economically That includes not shipping American jobs to China. Wouldn’t it be great to see “Made in USA” again”???

                • 57thunderbird

                  Only going to happen when we stop being regulation nation.Oh,and a lower corporate tax rate wouldn’t hurt either

                • OneThinDime

                  We must invest in our intellectual capital and in-source rather than out-source. Until we make this commitment it will be difficult.

                • OneThinDime

                  It most absolutely would be.

                  I would also like to see our immigration and VISAS halted. We need to invest in American children going to college and seeking the high skilled jobs come to America not train immigrants that go back to their home countries and take those high skilled jobs with them.

                • 1endtimes2020

                  I’m glad you’re on my side.

                • OneThinDime

                  Ditto! I’ve been enjoying your intellectual posts.

              • OneThinDime

                If a national bankruptcy were to occur, American gun owners will step up and protect and defend this country while those anti-2nd Amendment run behind them for protection.

                • 1endtimes2020

                  They’ll want your guns.

          • 1endtimes2020

            Of course, the muslims here want America to have a humble foreign policy; it makes it easier for the terrorists to win ‘over there’. Don’t trust them. Lying and deceit is part of the teachings of the Koran when it helps to attain victory.

            • OneThinDime

              Correct. Where was the outrage from the muslim communities during 9/11/01 and 9/11/12? Nowhere to be found. Instead they make demands for their “religion” while stomping all over Christians. And what is the US response? We must be understanding, we must be compassionate, we must make accommodations because it is hard in their countries. Hogwash. Assimilate to our culture or return to your own.

              • 1endtimes2020

                Islam is the enemy of Jesus Christ. They use the cross for target practice.
                They’re losers.

      • mike3e4r7

        There may be moderate American and European Muslims, but I would call them by a different name – non-religious Muslims (i.e. those whose family backround is Muslim, and culturaly identify themselves as muslims). True Muslims, those that understand and believe in the Koran are not moderate, as Islam is not moderate. True Muslims are intolerant of any religion or way of life that does not conform to their own.

        • 57thunderbird

          Bingo!

        • OneThinDime

          But the muslims are silent when their radical comrades rear their ugly heads, butcher women, marry teenagers through arranged marriage, force women and girls to cover themselves (which demeans all women), force their demands into our schools and workplaces, and quick to blame non-Muslims when a crime against one of them. Their silence is deafening.

      • 1endtimes2020

        John, If a muslim is that moderate, he is not a practising one. I worry about the moderates male children, who will be indoctrinated by clerics in their mosques. Millions of these types already are in America. It may already be too late to defend our infrastructure when the muslim order it’s destruction. The next war will be a coordinated effort by all our enemies.

    • http://www.therightscoop.com/ The Right Scoop

      Actually there’s a difference between moderate muslim and moderate Islam. Islam is what it is and it’s not moderate or immoderate. However, there are muslims who, like many Christians, have never read the entire bible and only pick and choose what they like about Islam. And then there are some that explain away the more radical stuff just because it makes them feel uncomfortable.

      There are certainly muslims living in the US who want nothing to do with Sharia and love the American capitalist system.

      And then there are the ones who pretend to love America but really want Sharia everywhere.

      So in short, there are certainly moderate muslims.

      But there is no moderate Islam. It is a radical ideology.

      Does that help?

      • 57thunderbird

        I stand corrected.I simply used the incorrect word.Islam is what I was speaking of.Thanks for clarifying.The moderate Muslims need to make their voices heard loud and clear.

      • las1

        Either way, Muslims in the west are held captive by the Mosque structure from cradle to the grave. It’s almost impossible for a putative “moderate” Muslim to stick his neck out as a moderate, unless he’s doing in in under the rubric of the developed doctrines of taqiyya or kithman, or maruna.

        The lucky Muslims are those who manage to escape the mosque structure and the clutches of the Muslim community and get absorbed by the Western culture.

        • Betsey_Ross

          Too many definitions of both Islam and Neocon. I pretty much have Islam pegged. Where ever those ‘moderates’ are, they are not speaking out. Nor are they leaving except to come to the US. Mosques are popping up like mushrooms in every part of the country. Same with madrasas. I don’t trust any of them and why come here except to get away from it all. Yet they bring it with them to infiltrate America. If they assimilated, that would be a different story.

          Neocon……I have no idea what that word means anymore. Everyone has a different definition. I do know that Liberals just go ape shi.. over a neocon. They hate them. So I guess it can’t be all bad.

        • unclesamnephew

          ah! to stick his neck out, wouldn’t that make him/her an easier target for beheading?

      • StrangernFiction

        They are Christians who mistakenly believe they are Muslims. They pick the parts that were borrowed from Christianity to focus on, and ignore the nasty stuff that is intrinsic to Islam.

    • Conniption Fitz

      The more I read about the actions of the followers of Mohammed, the more I conclude that Islam is a form of learned hatred that builds to the point of insanity, which is often started when a child is young.

      The two main targets of their hatred are Jews/Israel and Christians and/or the Great Satan USA, with the UK not far behind.

      Hate destroys people. It casts their hearts, souls and minds into darkness. Utterly. It makes them into charicatures/likenesses of the devil.

      • 57thunderbird

        I agree with you on all points of that post.There is nothing I can add.

      • JohnMartin Mull

        Cf, have you ever read the old testament? Islam is a comparatively young religion. As flawed as all religions and as misunderstood. Also, like all religions, used by scoundrels to achieve aims that have nothing to do with the religion.

        • Gtrjag

          Islam is a violent cult invented by a demon possessed lunatic for the purpose of control and conquest. Yes, there are portions of the Old Testament which are violent, but it was always for a particular time and place. There is no such qualifier in Islam. There are Moderate Muslims, but it is only because they don’t take their faith seriously.

    • JohnMartin Mull

      Sad. No such thing as a moderate muslim? You are probably someone who thinks sarah palin had what it took to be President? Your lack of knowledge about foreign policy is only outdone by your lack of knowledge about Islam and human nature in general.

      • 57thunderbird

        Yawn.I am done with your condescending comments.It is sad that you are unable to carry on a civil debate.Buh,bye.

        • JohnMartin Mull

          you going to head back over to AtlasShruggs.com and Pamela Gellar to get more “facts” on Islam?

          • 57thunderbird

            Islam,the culture of death.

            • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

              and the religion of pieces.

              • 57thunderbird

                A very fitting description. ;(

          • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

            How about going here then: http://shoebat.com/

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZVCGRG62NAGQXJ6ZNE4JCTVVTU Ray

        OH, now I get it, Roveite trolls are invading.

        JMM, you are so asinine. You have NO idea what you are talking about. We have tried OBAMA apology tours, and we are more hated now than we ever were then.
        We won WW2 by bombing them into submission and THEY SUED FOR PEACE. We did not get get the same since then, Iraq is a prime example, we set the terms, not them. That is the way LIBERALS do it, they never finish a job, and the unintended consequences always cost so much more than doing it right in the first place.

        BTW, don’t come here with an attitude or you won’t last long.

  • wraith67

    I’d have to agree with some of this. Rand Paul is a chip off the old block and the Paul’s are isolationists. Discussing isolationism would be off topic, but I think that is a discussion to be had, we don’t need to be all over the world meddling in other people’s business. Were this country to ever have an insurgency, the list of foreign countries lining up to provide the insurgents with weapons and munitions would be extremely long.

    As to Islam, you are absolutely correct in their goals and desires – but I would say that the American Left is a greater threat to our existance than a billion Muslims (and sooner). We’re not going to have a foreign policy when our financial house of cards collapses, and that is coming soon. Nor are we going to have bases all over the world or have the ability to provide tanks and airplanes to our favorite dictator, du jour. The Left’s attack on the morals and ethics of the country is part two of the problem, even after a collapse, we’ll never have a viable country (as founded or with a contiguous 48 states) if half of the country is living some libertine, life of debauchery on the government tit, expecting the other half of the country to pay for it. I won’t even bother mentioning education…suffice to say, we’ve got some big problems, and right now, Muslims are not it.

    As to Israel and antisemitism – there are people out there that are right a lot of the time but walk and quack like ducks. So what? Israel can live without $3 billion dollars if they had to – but the bottom line is this: The arrangement between Isreal and God didn’t have an expiration date, and their survival has never been in our hands.

    • StrangernFiction

      suffice to say, we’ve got some big problems, and right now, Muslims are not it.

      Hard to disagree with this statement, given that Marxists are running the Federal Government.

  • Gtrjag

    I understand your point, particularly when it comes to Iran, but Ran Paul is not his father. He does not blame America first, he understands the evil nature of Islam, and he supports Israel. Keep in mind that he is one of the only politicians who is making a big deal about sending arms to Egypt. The question is not whether Islam is the enemy. It’s how do you defeat that enemy. Do you invade every Muslim Country? We don’t have the resources to do that. Cold War style containment may be our best option. While I did not agree with everything he said I’m closer to him, than I am to the Bushes or the Rubio who think that democracy can solve everything.

    • 911Infidel

      No. My point is he has no clue as to the nature of Islam at all.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/MVMVLN267XCY2HS5KL25QTQRKQ John

        And you do then? so why not run for president and set us all straight? hmm.. are you even a member of the GOP? We want to win an election and restore conservative values. Hint: you don’t do that pissing off Muslims and libertarians with an aggressive foreign policy.

        • 57thunderbird

          You don’t do it by surrendering your principles either.That was proven in the last two presidential elections.

          • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

            YES!!

        • OneThinDime

          I have been reading 911Infidel’s posts for quite some time. Much intellect is brought to the discussion, supporting by solid research and reference.

          Your posts, on the other hand, are more typical of libertarians who are much closer to liberals than conservatives. I’ve gleaned from your posts on this thread that you would like the US military to be gutted, the US to abandon our military bases abroad, Israel to be left undefended except by her own forces, conservatives to just give muslims whatever they want (including butchery of girls, arranged marriages, female slavery, honor killings, Sharia Law), gays whatever they want (adoption, marriage, preference in hiring).

          You demand other posters provide references and support for their posts but you simply use Wikipedia. In summation, you are a libertarian bully demanding others work and you profit.

        • 911Infidel

          LOL. Muslims got the Koran to keep them pi$$ed off. Any other reason is just a pretext.

      • JohnMartin Mull

        Do you? Do know of all the schisms within Islam? Do you think it’s just one big group bent on world domination? Do you know the difference between sunni and Shia’a? Do you know who the wahabi muslims are and why they are the most dangerous to us yet the ones wee support the most? Do you know why we supported Saddam in the Iran/iraq war? Why it was such a mistake to overthrow him as detestable as he was? What do you really know 911nonbeliever and what is it that you think you know? How big is the gulf between the two of those levels of knowledge?

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZVCGRG62NAGQXJ6ZNE4JCTVVTU Ray

          If they believe the Koran, they are. Do you remember the scores and scores of videos of mohammedans celebrating in the streets after 911? Go crawl back under the rock you squirmed out of.

        • 911Infidel

          Yep I do. The two main protagonists in Islam are Sunni and Shia. And they are united on two things: Sharia law amd hatred of Jews. The read all the same Koran which states that Muslims are the best of people. Unbelievers are the worst of people and unclean. Its the same Koran where Morsi got his “apes and pigs” comment from. Any Muslim who chooses to ignor the basic tennants of Islam is either a heretic or an apostate. If they live in the west they are relatively safe cause in the ME they are treated as worse than an infidel and are executed.

          Don’t try preaching the Ron Paul song to me bud. You’re wasting your time.

      • Gtrjag

        But McCain’s call for a hundred year occupation does capture some truth: that the West is in for a long, irregular confrontation not with terrorism, which is simply a tactic, but with Radical Islam.

        As many are quick to note, the war is not with Islam but with a radical element of Islam — the problem is that this element is no small minority but a vibrant, often mainstream, vocal and numerous minority. Whole countries, such as Saudi Arabia, adhere to at least certain radical concepts such as the death penalty for blasphemy, conversion, or apostasy. A survey in Britain after the subway bombings showed 20% of the Muslim population in Britain approved of the violence.
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        Some libertarians argue that western occupation fans the flames of radical Islam – I agree. But I don’t agree that absent western occupation that radical Islam “goes quietly into that good night.” I don’t agree with FDR’s VP Henry Wallace that the Soviets (or Radical Islam in today’s case) can be discouraged by “the glad hand and the winning smile.”

        Americans need to understand that Islam has a long and perseverant memory. As Bernard Lewis writes, “despite an immense investment in the teaching and writing of history, the general level of historical knowledge in American society is abysmally low. The Muslim peoples, like everyone else in the world, are shaped by their history, but unlike some others, they are keenly aware of it.”

        Radical Islam is no fleeting fad but a relentless force. Though at times stateless, Radical Islam is also supported by radicalized nations such as Iran. Though often militarily weak, Radical Islam makes up for its lack of conventional armies with unlimited zeal.

        For Americans to grasp the mindset of Radical Islam we need to understand that they are still hopping mad about the massacre at Karbala several hundred years ago. Meanwhile, many Americans seem to be more concerned with who is winning ‘Dancing with the Stars.’

        • Gtrjag

          I think this is pretty spot on. I don’t like the fact that people feel the need to put the qualifier “radical” in front of Islam, but I understand why they do it. But Paul did note that this “radical” element is no small minority, that it is in fact mainstream, and that it has persevered for over 1300 years. Many of the more hawkish “Conservatives” don’t want to touch that.

        • http://boogieforward.us/ K-Bob

          Have to disagree with the “aware of it” bit, regarding their history. Once upon a time, the Muslims were fans of true scholarship. They led the way in math and astronomy. Even had a flirt with literature. Those days are gone. The education system being propagated throughout the Muslim world, paid for by the Saudis, is the system of Madrassas.

          Madrassas only teach one subject: the Koran.

          Madrassas only teach one thing about the Koran: memorization.

          That’s it. No history, no facts, no memory.

          To add to the problem, they have totally lost track of the great strides made in the 1950’s which brought about a rise in productivity, prosperity, and knowledge among their populations. They had women working as doctors in Egypt and Iran. Teaching at universities. Now, half of their population are slaves. The other half are porn addicts (because they can’t do much of anything else, according to sharia).

          • Gtrjag

            They only led the way because the West at that time was in the Dark ages. Once the enlightenment and the reformation took hold in Europe, Islam could not keep up.

            • http://boogieforward.us/ K-Bob

              Keeping up is relative. Choosing to go full-tilt medievalist is entirely different.

              • Gtrjag

                I’m not going to argue that point because it doesn’t really matter. You are right that Islam chooses the history it wants to remember. My point, however in posting this excerpt from Ran Paul’s speach is to show that he is not oblivious to the threat that Islam poses. He just has a different idea on how deal with it.

                • http://boogieforward.us/ K-Bob

                  Sure. By not dealing with it. Ignore it, and it will go away due to our sudden prosperity and home security.

                  Won’t help against Somali pirates.
                  Won’t help against Americans and American allies being killed while exercising economic freedom.

        • 911Infidel

          There is no such thing as “radical Islam” or “moderate Islam” I made that point by using a quote from PM Erdogan. Islam is Islam and that’s it. To try and understand Islam by applying western ideas of what westerners would like it to be or dividing up into something more palatable to western minds is a fools errand and shows a total lack of study of the Islamic trilogy, Islamic history and Sharia law. Islam is most definteky at war with the west. To say that the west is not at war with Islam is indictive of the complete ignorance of the enemy. The Jihad is a 1400 yr effort by Islam to kill, subjigate or enslave the entire world. Just because it hides under the rubric of a “religion” doesn’t make it so. It is a political and ideological philosophy akin to Nazism; only instead of worshipping the state Muslims worship a genocidal maniac and his bedouin war god.

          For Americans to grasp the mindset of Islam, they first need to study their field manuals, the Koran, Hadiths, the Sira and Reliance of The Traveler – the manual of Sharia law. Then stop trying to repackage Islam in western terms.

          • Gtrjag

            I understand that Islam is Islam, but the only people you are going to get to say that is Alan West, Mark Levin and Mark Stein. Should we be involved in Libya? Syria? Should we have supported Egypt? Was the Effort to establish a “democratic government in Iraq worth the effort? The answer is no. Our military will be reduced whether we want it to be or not. That’s what happens when you’re 16 trillion dollars in debt. We should defend Israel when they come under attack. We should stop Iran from getting Nukes, and we should keep the cancer of Islam from spreading to other countries, but there is not much we can do to change countries that are already Muslim. What happens when we leave Afghanistan or Iraq? The Islamist will take right back over. It’s time for a new strategy besides going around spreading democracy to people who are not prepared for it.

            • 911Infidel

              Levin doesn’t quite get it and the other two use the term “radical Islam” as well. But they get it more than Levin does.

              And we’re 16 trillion in debt because of MoBama. And I’m not willing to cut defense to please a few Paleocons or a Marxist Muslim in the WH who hates this country. In light of all the existential threats we face that’s just plain stupid. If that had been done in WWII we’d all be speaking Japanese or German by now.

              The only coherent startegy to fight Islam is the same strategy that was applied by the west in the reconquests of Spain, Portugal, Malta, Sicily, in southern Europe in 187. at the Battle Of Lepanto in the 1500’s and in France in the 8th century: fire, and sword.

              But first they need to be drawn out into a battlespace that is idealfor killing them in large numbers. The perfect battlespace was Iraq. But Obama chose to cut and run.

              Oh and lest one think that COIN won the day in Iraq. They’d be wrong. The second battle of Falluja was the turning point.

              These people don’t do Democracy. They do dictatorship. They don’t understand diplomacy. But they do understand fire and steel.

  • c4pfan

    You may not have any use for him, but the GOP sure is doing a horrible job of saying why we are in those countries and nothing is coming out of it that’s good.

    • Conniption Fitz

      I’m sick and tired of Islam and the PC crowd…and sick, sick, sick of wasting our precious young men and women and hard-earned tax dollars and time over there for a group of people who will self-destruct from pure unadulterated hate, lust, pride and greed if left on their own.

      “For this says the Lord, even the captives of the mighty shall be taken away and the prey of the terrible shall be delivered, for I will contend with him that contends with you…and I will make those who oppress you consume themselves [in mutually destructive wars] … I the Lord am your Savior and your Redeemer, the Mighty One of Jacob.” (Isaiah 49:25-26)

    • 911Infidel

      Well if you’d of been paying attention to history over the last oh say 65 years or so, you’d understand why.

      • c4pfan

        I’d understand why the GOP is doing a horrible job of saying why we should be doing what we are doing with out military?

        • 911Infidel

          There are not enough leaders of any sort in the JCS. Obama is a micromanager like LBJ was. If he were a real manager he’d let the various agencies speak for themselves. And unfortunately the GOP doesn’t have all the power anymore. And the few spokespeople that they have suck.

    • JohnMartin Mull

      Because the only beneficiaries are the military/industrial complex and the new world order types. There IS NO GOOD REASON for military bases in Germany, Japan and many other countries post WWII and certainly post soviet union. Since WWII there is only one war, Korean, that any sensible person can argue served America’s long term interest and world peace.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZVCGRG62NAGQXJ6ZNE4JCTVVTU Ray

        Well, finally something that I can agree with you on about us being in Europe. However, I may agree with you on the second part, but for a totally different reason. The only reason any war would not serve our interest is because we DON’T COMPLETE THE JOB.
        There IS one that served our purpose for 20 years, that was us going into Tripoli and Benghazi the first time. We bombed them into submission. And it was an AIR WAR, so you would be wrong on that aspect in your earlier post.
        I was at Lakenheath England when our planes went there. My favorite medal I received in the Air Force was for being involved in that conflict, the Navel Meritorious Unit Citation. Seeing the Air Force would not issue any, the Commander of the fleet that sent their planes into Benghazi gave it to us.

  • Rshill7

    “The name of the game in the ME is jihad. Not the John Brennan version, but the real deal…” (911Infidel)

    http://theulstermanreport.com/2013/02/10/bombshell-benghazi-expose-details-obamas-illegal-secret-war/

    Neocons believe in Adam Smith etc? Really? Yet Paul said he is not a neocon? That part of your blog there is confusing, 911. Please explain. If Paul says he is NOT a neocon, yet neocons embrace those things I consider good, (according to you) like “Adam Smith economics, the Founders, Tocqueville or American Exceptionalsim” etc., but Paul is not one…uh, what is the problem? You lost me.

    Dang, I just lost myself, I think.

    Maybe it’s just too many double negatives or something?

    • 911Infidel

      Dude go back and read my symposium. Then study the differences between the lesser and greater jihad. It is the lesser jihad that the Koran emphasizes which is war on the infidel. It is the greater jihad against self that Brennan uses to cover up the true nature of the jihad being waged against us. Its a ruse on Brennan’s part.

      • Rshill7

        I don’t doubt that. I’m not sure what your Rand problem is.

        • 911Infidel

          I laid it all in the article. Nuff said.

      • aposematic

        Both the D’s and R’s are as you were writting your screed promoting Islam in many positions within our Government. Last time I looked no Libertarian held any position within our Government to do anything one way or the other concerning Islam.

        • JohnMartin Mull

          We are not at war with “Islam” apaosematic. If that is what you want then welcome to the 100’s year war. OBL was always very clear what they were fighting we just did not hear him or did not care. Let me tell you, if I’m an Iraqi i am an insurgent. if I’m a Saudi not connected to the “royal family” or the oil wealth, I’m al-qaida. And if you understood the concept of “power over” relationships or dared to put yourself in their shoes for a minute, so would you be.

          • 57thunderbird

            Oh brother.Another Islamist apologist.Islam,the culture of death.

            • JohnMartin Mull

              well, what other country is currently bombing 6 or more countries right now? That would be the Christian U.S. What country in the ME has fought at least 6 wars of aggression in last 35 years? That would be Israel. I am no apologist for any religion as i am an Agnostic jew but this idea that we are at war with a religion that has well over 1 billion people just wears me out.

              • 57thunderbird

                I hit the like button by mistake,so don’t let it go to your head.

                • Mary Sieg

                  Thanks for the giggle, 57thunderbird. I needed that. Now I bet most of the likes on my comments were probably mistakes, too. ha!

                • 57thunderbird

                  No mistake on yours Mary.You deserve them. :-D

                • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

                  I just liked your comment now, no mistake ;-)

                • OneThinDime

                  Hint: Hit the like button again and it takes it away

                • http://boogieforward.us/ K-Bob

                  If you hit it again, the “like” goes away.

              • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZVCGRG62NAGQXJ6ZNE4JCTVVTU Ray

                muhammed was a false prophet that raped little girls but made it alright by marrying them.
                Obummer said we are not a Christian nation. You need to go back and read the history of the wars that were foisted upon Israel by the surrounding mohammedan countries. Israel is constantly being bombarded by missiles from mohammedan countries. mohammedans destroy cultural relics and religious symbols all over the world, they have NO respect for other religions, they have NO respect for those who, of their own volition, who were classified mooooslim, decide they do not want to believe in a child molester’s satanic religion any longer. So, they behead them. And YOU are apologizing for them.
                I find it very interesting, actually fascinating that you will condemn every religion except mohammedans, which demand all others pay homage to them, or extortion money (a work tax) to those who work in countries dominated by mooooslims. Why is that JMM?

              • Gtrjag

                “If the Arabs laid down their weapons there would be peace. If Israel laid down its weapons there would be no more Israel?” — Benjamin Netanyahu. Islam is at war the west and always has been. What nation were we bombing on 911, or when the USS Cole was attacked, or when our embassies in Africa was bombed? How come everywhere Muslim and non-Muslim cultures collide there is conflict? Israel, the Philippines, Nigeria, Mali, India/Pakistan etc. Christians, and Jews, and Hindus can live together without killing each other. Why not the peaceful Muslims?

              • rsfan1

                “Wars of aggression”… and you say you’re an agnostic Jew? More like self-hating Jew.

                Read up on Israeli history.

          • aposematic

            If “we” were at war with Islam “we” would all be traitors for aiding and abetting “our” enemy. Islam pretty much declares war on U.S. every day.

            • http://profile.yahoo.com/MVMVLN267XCY2HS5KL25QTQRKQ John

              No, certain fundamentalists who are pissed off at occupations are declaring war. There are millions of followers of Islam in America and thousands of mosque’s and islamic cultural centers and these people are citizens too and can vote, if people who call themselves REPUBLICANS want a war with them then they will never get their vote. It’s that simple. I wish these people would leave the party and take their insane rantings with them because its hurting outreach efforts.

              • aposematic

                All I can say is Muslims have many faiths and you may be confusing Islam and Muslim.

                • http://profile.yahoo.com/MVMVLN267XCY2HS5KL25QTQRKQ John

                  uh, ok…

                  A Muslim, also spelled Moslem,[1] is an adherent of Islam, a monotheistic Abrahamic religion based on the Qur’an—which Muslims consider the verbatim word of God as revealed to prophet Muhammad—and, with lesser authority than the Qur’an, the teachings and practices of Muhammad as recorded in traditional accounts, called hadith. “Muslim” is an Arabic word meaning “one who submits to God”.

                  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim

                • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZVCGRG62NAGQXJ6ZNE4JCTVVTU Ray

                  It is NOT an Abrahamic religion, they co-opted Abraham in order to be legitimate. Islam, even though wikipedia denies it and CAIR denies it and mooslims deny it, is actually carried forward of the worship of al Uzza. the moon goddess. I am citing pics of al Uzza, which has the half crescent moon just as they have on all their minneretts today, Again, why are you defending a religion that destroys artifacts of other cultures because they are not of mohammedan religion?

                  http://www.google.com/search?q=al-
                  Uzza&hl=en&tbo=u&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ei=6mAYUZSQDPKDyAHK2YGoBw&ved=0CD0QsAQ&biw=1218&bih=739

              • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZVCGRG62NAGQXJ6ZNE4JCTVVTU Ray

                John, did you get banned and come right back?

              • OneThinDime

                Islamists find any reason to be mad and kill people.

              • http://boogieforward.us/ K-Bob

                HaHa! We already aren’t getting their vote. They aren’t stupid.

                They have the Dems right where they want them, paving the way for sharia and the rise of the Caliphate. Then they will put the Dems to the sword for being such libertine apostates.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZVCGRG62NAGQXJ6ZNE4JCTVVTU Ray

            So, do you put yourself in a rapists shoes, or a molesters shoes?

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZVCGRG62NAGQXJ6ZNE4JCTVVTU Ray

            We may not be at war with Islam, but Islam is at war with us. I know you will not read what I am citing here, but this page has their own words. http://www.letusreason.org/Islam21.htm

        • 911Infidel

          That’s right. Both D’s and R’s don’t have a clue…with the exception of Bachmann, Gowdy and three or four others.

  • marketcomp

    Excellent, 911InFidel! Containment is not a strategy but one aspect of a plan. It’s like Obama saying that he has won the war on terrorism with North Africa and the rest of the Middle East blowing up and burning down. I am always suspicious of libertarians and Sen. Rand Paul is a libertarian. I have often wondered why Libertarians want to infiltrate the Republican party instead of ther own libertarian party? Last I check they actually had a candidate in the last election name Gary Johnson and that seems to be a more appropriate stage for Rand Paul’s ideas and perhaps even Glenn Beck since he is appealing to libertarians The Heritage foundation is where Ronald Reagan went for ideas, not the Cato Institute or the Hoover Institute. I just hope this is not Jim DeMint’s idea of Conservative ideas because their ideas are not aligned with Conservative principles but they continue to try to push them.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/MVMVLN267XCY2HS5KL25QTQRKQ John

      Yes and Johnson took a million votes and denied Romney electoral gains in some states (along with all the other people who sat at home and would not vote for Romney) also Muslim American’s who supported Bush in 2000 by 90% are now supporting Obama by 90%, that was because of the wars and demonizing them .

      • las1

        Really! They understand the actions and sympathies of an Islamist, which is what Obama is. That’s why they voted for him. You’re still not getting it.

        • Rshill7

          Do you like Rand Paul? What do you think of him?

          • las1

            I’ll be honest, I only browsed his speech and read a review of it on Front Page:
            http://frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/rand-pauls-obama-foreign-policy/

            I believe it is full of empty platitudes like this article says. It’s not substative IMHO, and I think it is eerily sounding like Ron Paul.

            • PhillyCon

              Las:
              Thanks for this link. The comments section is just as “instructive,” IMO.

      • OneThinDime

        The muslims voted for Obama because he is weakening the US and allowing terrorists to flow through open borders. Obama is a muslim and is connected in many ways to the MB. When they strike next and murder more innocent Americans on our soil, and they will, please look in the mirror, contact your friends and think about your responsibility for voting against Romney when he could well have won and protected this nation.

  • http://twitter.com/MooseOfReason Jeff

    “I got to 18:10 of Rand Paul’s foreign policy speech and had enough. He started out saying that he is no neoconservative. Really? Don’t believe in Adam Smith economics, the Founders, Tocqueville or American Exceptionalsim? Is that about right Rand? Cause that’s what a neocon is. Go read my symposium on the topic.”

    In your symposium, you discuss Irving Kristol, who wrote a book called “Neo-conservatism: The Autobiography of an Idea.” Dr. C. Bradley Thompson, wrote a rebuttal to that called “Neoconservatism: An Obituary for an Idea.” Here is audio of him discussing the book with Dr. Thomas Woods:

    Also, in this article he wrote for CATO, Thompson cites Daniel Bell self-identifying as “socialist in economics, a liberal in politics, and a conservative in culture.”
    http://www.cato-unbound.org/2011/03/07/c-bradley-thompson/neoconservatism-unmasked/

    As we all know, Adam Smith was no socialist.

    “The first Afghan War? How’d that work out? The USSR left with its tail between its legs and that led to the downfall of the Soviet Union. It seems to me it worked out just fine.”

    What Rand Paul was getting at, was that exact point. It didn’t work out well at all for the Soviets, whose system collapsed after getting bogged down in Afghanistan.

    • 911Infidel

      Don’t really give a damn what someone else wrote. I take it that the dude who invented the term knew WTF he was talking about. All other commentary on the subject is moot as far as I’m concerned.

      • JohnMartin Mull

        That’s solid “thinking” 911nonbeliever.

        • 911Infidel

          Sure is. Going to the source rather than playing the revisionist game is always solid thinking.

    • Rshill7

      You avatar picture is really cool, and I like Rand Paul too.

    • JohnMartin Mull

      Irving Kristol was not a former liberal turned “conservative” to help propel America to war, he was a former COMMUNIST. Hilarious how these people rotted conservatism from the inside out. Talk about Alinskyite methods:)

  • Conniption Fitz

    Dan Greenfield didn’t have a lot of good to say about Rand Paul’s Heritage Foundation talk either:

    “IT’S A MIDDLE PATH, IT’S NOT RASH OR RECKLESS, IT’S A MIDDLE PATH, REALLY MIDDLE

    So Rand Paul delivered his big Heritage foreign policy speech which consisted of

    1. Conceding that Islamic terrorism exists and it’s a large minority, not a tiny minority, and that it exists even apart from American foreign policy.

    The first half of that would be a big admission from any American Senator and the second half is important from the Camp of Paul, which insists that terrorism is blowback. It’s probably the most significant thing he has said on foreign policy so far.

    2. Dismissing the threat of an Iranian nuke

    3. Urging that we do less and take some sort of middle path that isn’t rash or reckless

    4. Attacking military spending

    5. Promoting Reagan as a moderate for being willing to sit down with the USSR.

    6. Slobbering all over George F. Kennan and proposing a containment of “Radical Islam” in some general sense.

    7. Claiming falsely that the United States funded Bin Laden

    8. Not actually laying out much in the way of a foreign policy.

    “I recognize that foreign policy is complicated. It is inherently less black and white to most people than domestic policy. I think there is room for a foreign policy that strikes a balance,” Paul said.

    This is ironically almost exactly Kerry’s reply to Paul’s question about providing F16’s to the Muslim Brotherhood.

    “Not everything, and this is always the complication in dealings with the international sector, not everything lends itself to a simple clarity, black white, this that, every time,” Kerry replied to Paul.

    That’s the trouble with foreign policy nuance.

    It’s easy to sound very enlightened by repeating truisms like “it’s not all black and white” truisms, but that doesn’t define the point at which things do become black and white. And that’s the point that truly matters.” – http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/2013/02/friday-afternoon-roundup-so-god-made.html

    MUCH MORE HERE: http://frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/rand-pauls-obama-foreign-policy/

    Quote: “It’s fashionable to believe that Rand Paul has broken with his father’s views and adopted a more realistic foreign policy that is not based on the belief that the American Empire of the CIA and the Federal Reserve are responsible for all the wars in the world.

    Whether that’s true or not remains an open question. Rand Paul’s Heritage Foundation foreign policy speech is a mixed bag that has far more in common with the views of Barack Obama, than anyone on the right.”

  • http://twitter.com/TheLightningNuz the little brother
    • TexasPGRRider

      May God Rest Her Soul…I`ve been hearing and reading about such things the last several years, but this is the first picture of what Christians everywhere are subject to where sharia prevails…Can you tell us about the cross icon next to your callsign? Thank you little brother. Peace be with you….

      • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

        Deleted by duckie

      • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

        And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
        Revelation 21:4

        It’s the only thing I can think of and hope in right now.

  • Conniption Fitz

    Here is a legal analysis of what/when/where and who is occupying what:
    http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/02/the-legal-case-for-israel/

    From the day that Israel became a state, Arabs have been at war with them. Five Arab armies attacked them the first week.

    Here is a picture of the last legal internationally declared boundaries of Israel:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:PalestineAndTransjordan.png

    Jordan was meant to be Palestine and an Arab nation.

    Israel was meant to be the homeland of the Jews.

  • Conniption Fitz

    What has Rand Paul said about securing the borders and stopping election fraud?

    • OneThinDime

      Rand Paul says the GOP “needs to evolve” on immigration. There is a thread awhile back on this site that talks more about that. I’ve yet to see a position from Rand Paul on election fraud.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1396855720 Brian Jones

    Drawing down our forces and bases?

    Now you’re talking like your dad who also hasn’t a clue of what he’s talking about either. Those bases allow us to forward deploy into any region. They are a deterrent to China, and North Korea. Why do you think North Korea never crossed the 38th Parallel again? Those bases serve as a strike platform against any foe. They are a refueling stop for aircraft and troops. Ever try to load a C-130 or a helicopter, and then fly long distance w/o refueling Rand? Of course not. I say again, you haven’t a clue.

    OH MY GOD thank you so much!!!!!! I have tried SO HARD to explain that to the Paulbots, but they just can’t seem to comprehend it. Without those bases, we will be UNABLE to wage any seriously serious battle overseas, due to lack of refueling and friendly airspaces and friendly bases to regroup. AND, any battle we would wage would be so much worse for us, since the enemy would have had far more time to control the landscape and other environmental factors and variables.

    FREAKIN’ AWESOME!!!!!!

    • JohnMartin Mull

      Bases everywhere and unending wars. That should make for a great future of bankruptcy. What about the bases in japan and Germany? How about the new embassy in Baghdad that is the size of the vatican but sits empty? Is that “conservative”?

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1396855720 Brian Jones

        What about the bases in Japan and Germany? Those are POWERHOUSES for our military…those are CENTRAL to maintaining global dominance, thus convincing our enemies to do nothing, lest they get blown off the map with a quickness…

        Just because we are based there doesn’t mean we have to be at war. Those are pre-op bases (planning/logistics/mobilization), and are absolutely necessary for having effective campaigns overseas.

        • JohnMartin Mull

          Wrong. Did the insurgents in Iraq get “blown off the map?” No brian, they defeated the United states of America. Did you miss our troops running back across the Kuwaiti border in the middle of the night and months early because they would be attacked otherwise? The taliban in Afghanistan bloodied our noses too and will be there long after we scurry out of there. Dream world of the Neo-con. Also, Global dominance? And you want to do that while balancing the budget? Haahahaha

          • 57thunderbird

            Who made our troops run back across the border?Hmmm?It is difficult to fight a war with one hand tied behind your back.(rules of engagement are ridiculously stifling the troops ability to wage war.

            • JohnMartin Mull

              The old “one hand tied behind our back” canard. Tell that to the 100,000’s of dead Iraqi’s. Tell that to the former city of Fallujah or the former city of Ramadi. Just like those who thought “if we just dropped more bombs on viet nam.” I’ll tell you who caused our troops to scurry, bloodied and broken, back to the fiefdom of Kuwait-THOSE WHO SENT THEM in the first place.

              • tinlizzieowner

                When and where did you serve, pal. If you haven’t, you don’t have a clue what ‘rules of engagement’ are. ;-)

                • 57thunderbird

                  It appears that you have left him speechless. :)

                • tinlizzieowner

                  Seeing as how I’m a Viet Nam Veteran, a military historian and I just closed a military museum 2 hours ago, I’m waiting but I’m going to go catch some sleep first. ;-)
                  Do I expect to change his opinion? No, I might point out though that there was a Democrat in the White House at the beginning of 4 out of the 5 wars in the 20th century and they all did the same thing. Gutted the military to increase the funding for ‘social equality’ in this country.

                • 57thunderbird

                  I knew you were a vet,but had no idea that you were a military historian.I was thinking the same thing about the Dems being in the White House at the beginning of the majority of the wars we have been involved in in the 20th century.I would say he has his mind made up already,regardless of what anybody else says.

                • tinlizzieowner

                  My Mrs. (a Viet Nam era Vet) and I both work here.
                  http://www.freedomisntfree.org
                  I spent 21 months in Southeast Asia, a year of that in Viet Nam.

                • 57thunderbird

                  WowTinlizzie.My in laws used to live in Punta Gorta.My father in law as well as my father were both Korean war vets.I would ask my father in law if he ever visited your museum but he has been gone now for almost 6 mos.Very impressive.The next time I am in Florida,I will make it a point to see it.Thank you and you wife for your service to our nation.

                • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

                  I took my son to the museum a couple of weeks ago 57thunderbird. Tinlizzieowner and the Mrs. were amazing as is the museum. If you’re ever down here- I’d suggest it as a MUST go!! :-)

                • 57thunderbird

                  I will make it a point to see it the next time I visit Florida.I would be delighted to meet Tinlizzie and his Mrs.Thanks.I visited the website of the museum.It looks like a great museum.

                • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

                  It really is excellent. They have SO much there to learn about and look at. I’m planning on going again, as Tinlizzie assures me they have so much that they have to constantly change their displays ;-) Trying to get a field trip set up for our homeschool group too.
                  And yes, you’ll love to meet tinlizzie in person :-)

              • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

                You’re comments are not being deleted or edited for your opinions as foolish as they might be, you’re being banned because you’re acting like a complete insulting a$$ and I’m sick of it.

  • Conniption Fitz

    “And you’re wrong that our presence in Muslim lands is what motivates them to kill us.”

    The attacks against the US began in earnest in the 1970s about the time abortion began.

    Breaking the 6th Commandment (or any other) brings the judgment of GOD upon a nation.

    In the Old Testament, Assyria/Babylon/Egypt/Philistines always rose up to take Israel captive when they began to committ sin and break their Covenant with GOD.

    See Leviticus 26 and Isaiah 10:5.

    The Sword of GOD (His Word) will defeat Islam. See Isaiah 31:8-9

    We cannot defeat evil on our own. We do not have the spiritual power until we have the moral power until we repent of abortion and sexual sin. See II Chronicles 7:14

    • 57thunderbird

      2nd Chronicles 7;14 is the scripture verse that I have been leaning on for quite some time.I use it often in my prayers.I agree that America is paying the price for her sins.America needs to repent.

    • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

      A lot of what’s happened over the years too coincides with what our leaders have done with “deals” between Israel and their enemies.

  • OLLPOH

    There are so many folks that believe educating themselves is only in the vein of one-track world-view of a particular subject…Don’t-look-back-further-in-time-education…it can only be The Instant Gratification is the mantra…

    You are so “clear” on your writings here!

    As so many folks have not a clue that Islam was right in the middle of Stalin and Hitler…Yet, if they would take a long look back into the worlds history and really comprehend what needs to be read – they believe that because a physical wall was torn down, that Evil no longer lurked in Europe or anywhere else (and they don’t think or know it lurks now, either). Individual powers are sought today in more than a seeming manner…

    You do know this topic in toto and the avenues of truthful knowledge are not sought out today by the politically esteemed or otherwise.

    For approximately 45 years I’ve seen and lived in the hang-over-darkness of many people and their belief and non-beliefs. And seeing first hand that brainwashing takes place from the beginning of birth after seeing many a government form and reform and be transformed.
    One country trying to become capitalists with the leftovers/hangovers of communism which was polarized to the nth degree. The religion wasn’t even brought to the table, nor was it depicted at any government event; nor “what the elite French businessmen were doing to the black Islamist out on the sidewalks selling the tourists the French businessman’s wares on dirty blankets of Paris” for n’er a French franc…Nor were there any words of the government(s) mouths- of women being told that they had to have their tubes tied in West/East Germany, because the mainstream government didn’t know which way to go Stalin-Hitler-Islam-Christianity to potentially bring a child in the world properly and set up its values, etc. Feral is not the twist here that I speak to, but “the governments..to “the keep the population down to a sizeable remainder of rule” because West Germany could not be overcrowded with children who didn’t think the right way…was it to be? Children of…Stalin, Hitler, Christian, Islam? Jews were not ever mentioned…Yet, I still recall seeing the elderly Bavarian-ly dressed bench-man still clicked his heals and raised his right hand in a village park north of Frankfurt at me, with “an-in-your-face-attitude” as I walked in full Army women’s dress uniform with the American Eagle Flying high on her black beret after being pushed off of a street car from Camp King Oberursel, West Germany to Frankfurt, heiling Hitler.

    It is quite deplorable for this republic to look the other-way to live in stand-by mode and say we are nice, we love everyone, we are the government-here to help you…-yet, the claim to democracy is stated and silently we tolerate and we will fund, and fund and fund…

    Horrendousness viewing the true death- of what America was once; to watch her capitulate, to fight a proxy war(s) for Saudi’s when they are as abhorrent.. to leave America’s history behind to have learned nothing about “it will repeat its self”…her, America’s Head Buried in the sands…Led by those that believe “it won’t happen here” because…this is America which “Was” One Nation Under God, Indivisible, With Liberty And Justice For All! Amen!

    • Conniption Fitz

      “As so many folks have not a clue that Islam was right in the middle of Stalin and Hitler…”

      Absolutely.

      Many people also do not realize the extreme level of hatred for the Jews and for the US that Islamists have been spreading across Europe, including the UK.

      • OLLPOH

        Thank you conniption Fitz! So Factual!

  • aposematic

    OK, I get it: 911Infidel hates Libertarians. With no Libertarians, how do you as a Conservative, the group your own GOP Party doesn’t even want, ever plan on winning another election? Oh, I forgot, you plan on Democrats voting Republican. The past election proves hoping votes against D’s will get you a win doesn’t work.

    • OLLPOH

      Dear. Mr. aposematic:

      The bureau of politicking is staunchly and abhorrent with your fiber. Would you care to continue reading about what the body politic has Not learned in World history? As the writer of the article was depicting. The writer was not trying to ba$tardize Senator Paul, to however explain that Senator Paul needs to go back further in time and see beyond present politics—as radicals and extremists have been h311 bent on death to America, Israels and anything non Islam. And it didn’t just start in the 21st century nor the 20th. And we will learn from history, not to repeat history.

      Yes everyone has their picks in a party and that is your suit and you wear it quite fine.
      G’day!

  • StrangernFiction

    A moderate Mohammedan is like a limited government Democrat.

    • OLLPOH

      moderate at what?
      and do they hide behind the word Democrat because it is suppose to define Freedom.

      Freedom for whom?

  • johnos2112

    This is why I do not trust the Libertarian view. Do you libertarians really think that Isolationism will work?

    • Wigglesworth

      Isolationism, but not when it comes to illegal immigration. They are ok with people invading us.

      http://reason.com/archives/2013/02/07/5-reasons-for-amnesty-for-illegal-immigr

      • OneThinDime

        Thanks for the link. What the heck happened to Judge Napalitano, I thought he had sense between his ears.

    • JohnMartin Mull

      There is a difference between isolationism and the neo-conservative idea of unchallenged American hegemony in all parts of the world at any COST.

      • tinlizzieowner

        “Of the four wars in my lifetime, none came about because the U.S. was too strong.”
        Ronald Reagan

    • OLLPOH

      who is isolated?

      • johnos2112

        The Libertarian view is to stay out of everyones business which is complete BS.  This is why Rand Paul is not qualified to be the President!

  • Rshill7

    It’s the new “conservatives”, i.e., New (neo), which suck. Paleo (old) are the great ones. This blog seems almost deliberately confusing and backwards. Does anyone need to get their definitions correct? Do I? I like it the way it was.

    This post/blog seems like a labels war. What’s the point of that? We judge people as individuals, don’t we? Lots of people are different from their Dads.

    • http://boogieforward.us/ K-Bob

      Actual Neocons believe just what 911Infidel said. They aren’t Reagan-style conservatives, but they are at least “conservative,” unlike the Cotton Conservatives, the Rockerfeller Republicans, and the libertarian/fiscal cons.

      The major break between Neocons and Paleocons is over Israel, in specific, and over pressing for a New American Century (or whatever the heck that was) that the Neocons wanted to do (which led to the idiotic, failed “nation building” exercise in Iraq). However, the Paleocons keep stinking the place up with their hatred of Jews. So both groups are flawed.

      Either way, both groups are conservative. Just not Reagan-style conservatives.

      • OLLPOH

        ever walked a street block in my shoes?

  • Grumpa37

    An honest and accurate article. Can enough patriots gather around the author to keep him alive?

    • aposematic

      We’re all Patriots here! I hope, no I know, a little back and forth will make us all stronger. We will survive!

      • Grumpa37

        I’m not sure about my personal survival, nor overly concerned about it. What does bother me is that Islam has openly declared war on us, but the Islamist in the White House is arming the Brotherhood, funding Hamas, disarming us, and saying not a word that might awaken our low info citizens to the size of the threat(s) and the state of the enemies..

        P.S. Worry is wasteful and to be avoided, but I hope and will try to survive. Thanks for the encouragement.

  • http://cyberhustler.com/ CyberHustler

    AmericanUmmah Dot Com

  • Wigglesworth

    I’ll take Rand Paul over McCain or Graham. I know they are better on foreign policy, but domestically those 2 nitwits are a disaster and that is what I am most concerned about right now.

    • JohnMartin Mull

      I would too Wigglesworth. But you are wrong that McCain and Graham are better on foreign policy unless you believe that we are better off for having invaded Iraq,losing 5,000 men, spending well over a trillion dollars and handing the country that was a bulwark against shia’a expansionism over to the Mullahs who are loyal to Iran.

      • OneThinDime

        Do you think the 3,000+ that were murdered on 9/11/01 on US were unworthy of a military response? How well did doing nothing work out when the Twin Towers and USS Cole were attacked and Bill Clinton was POTUS. Oh that’s right, 9/11/01 happened.

  • Sober_Thinking

    911… excellent post. Spot on about the Muslim threat and the near-sighted response by many.

    I had no idea Rand was as close in perception as his father is on some of the points you made… very discouraging.

    You already know this, but your post won’t likely sit well with Libertarians. Regardless, very excellent points about this very clear and present danger we face.

    • OLLPOH

      clear and present it is and history repeats itself, if the body politick doesn’t know history.

      just because a man has lived in Indonesia, does not make him an expert on Indonesia, nor the religion that might be practiced there either, yet we have that in the Whitehouse.

      Senator Paul is a good man, he does need to spend more time reading some more history books…

  • sDee

    There is no time left fellow patriots. The GOP has been subsumed by the globalists and progressives.

    Join or Die – AGAIN
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  • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZVCGRG62NAGQXJ6ZNE4JCTVVTU Ray

    We have not won a war since WW2. Some say (our enemies, both foreign and domestic, and the military industrial complex which profits more with long, never ending conflicts) we should fight a humane war. This never has nor never will work. War should be fought in way the enemy capitulates. This can only be done through aggressive, non-discriminate bombing, until the civilians tell their leaders to give up. Once that is done, and a clear winner emerges, then and only then will there be an end of war and beginning of peace.

    • JohnMartin Mull

      Have you deluded yourself so much that you think we have been fighting wars “humanely” since the end of WWII? Are you so deluded that you think a populace that is bombed incessantly asks it’s government for peace? The Japanese people didn’t do that after two atomic bombs.

      • tinlizzieowner

        Actually if you check your history, the Emperor of Japan was ready to surrender and the military complex did everything they could to prevent it, including trying to steal the recorded address he had made to deliver to the people via radio.
        The Germans made more that one attempt to assassinate Hitler.
        Do you know anything about the German and Japanese atomic bomb projects? ;-) ;-)

    • tinlizzieowner

      We won WW2 by bombing Germany and Japan into the stone age. That’s what it took to get their attention. When your enemies have virtually nothing left to fight a war with, they catch on. Think not? Take a look at North Korea and Viet Nam. ;-)

      • OneThinDime

        Too bad Schwartkopf wasn’t permitted to finish it off…..

      • http://www.theconservativevoices.com/ dmacleo

        basically, we won japan with 2 bombs.
        and our leaders got scared and lost the will to win. somehow our soldiers blood is worth less than their jobs.

  • http://www.facebook.com/kingofthehokies Jim Land

    Peoconservative block? Awesome! Go Rand!

  • GSR

    Islam is a real problem but why oh why, do we keep allowing them to immigrate here? In fact, why have we increased their immigration numbers since 9/11?

    Liberalsim, that’s why. Liberalism from both parties.

    As far as “foreign entablements”, they are sometimes the prudent thing to do. And John Martin Mull, the country was not bankrupted by “Bush’s wars”. The country is bankrupt by endless social program spending and the “buying” of votes via social spending.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Steven-Valdez/1806887704 Steven Valdez

    You can’t defeat Islam, just like it would be impossible to destroy Christianity. Not every Muslim seeks to kill non-Muslims, but there are some Muslims that do, and we need to have a sound strategy to defeat those who do seek to kill us. I don’t want see an all out war against Islam, which is column seems to suggest is the only way, you didn’t say it but came off that way, to me it did anyway. The biggest threat to our way of life aren’t crazy Muslims, it’s our crazy national debt. If there are ways of closing down bases without making us weaker I’m all for that, maybe there are some that we don’t need anymore. I don’t think Rand Paul would do that, close bases that were strategic wise for our military defense not a good move which would make us vulnerable to attacks, or prevents us to attack if necessary.. Anyway, this anti-Rand Paul column doesn’t change my mind, and still looking forward to hearing his tea party response to SOTU.

    • Kordane

      Actually, you can defeat Islam by eliminating all state support for the ideology, and you do that by engaging in a campaign of massive total war against the Islamic states of the world, starting with the strongest, and then working down the list until ALL are demoralized, ALL surrender, and ALL accept our terms unconditionally, one of which is the official renunciation of Islam. Potentially hundreds of millions of Muslims will die, but if that’s what it’ll take, then that’s what it’ll take. Sadly, few have the stomach for war; many are chamberlains-in-training.

      • 57thunderbird

        Yep.True.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Steven-Valdez/1806887704 Steven Valdez

        America is about Freedom of Religion no way we suddenly go all Hilter-on-Steroids attacking the Islamic faith with nuke bombing campaign against Islam. Even then when you destroy all the Islamic states, there’s still billions of Muslims around the world practicing the faith, couldn’t even imagine the threats America faced in that situation, or if America was recovering from multiple retaliations… What did we actually win?

        • 57thunderbird

          Islam is not a religion!It is a totalitarian ideology!Sheesh!

          • Kordane

            Yes, it’s sad how few people truly understand that about Islam. Too many people think of it as merely a religion for spiritual usage, like Christianity, Hinduism or Buddhism. They do not realize that Islam has a symbiotic relationship with the state, and that if you remove the state from Islam, Islam dies.

        • OneThinDime

          Hitler didn’t use bombs, he used gas chambers. He marched millions of legal citizens, who had done nothing but work hard, succeed and give up their arms as ordered to do from Germany and the countries he invaded and occupied.

          There is absolutely no comparison between Hitler’s persecution and murder of Jewish citizens and America protecting her citizens against the radical islamic jihadists who have murdered our innocent citizens.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Steven-Valdez/1806887704 Steven Valdez

            America isn’t protecting it’s citizens if the objective is to force people to renounce their faith, my response was to Korane’s approach, which it seems you missed my point, I was trying to make…. No matter how much you disagree with Islam… You can’t praise America if you can’t stand for the principles that makes America the greatest country on earth. And one of those is Freedom of Religion, it should be a worldwide principle for everyone not just Americans.

            • Kordane

              Quote: “America isn’t protecting it’s citizens if the objective is to force people to renounce their faith

              The right to freedom of religion is not a shield of protection against retaliatory force, as if all the Communists and Nazis had to do was make themselves into religions, and suddenly they’re immune from retaliatory force.

              You have to understand that rights are only violated through initiatory force. That’s not what I’m advocating here. I’m advocating retaliatory force against an ideology (Islam) which sanctions and mandates warfare against all unbelievers for all time.

              Simply put: What you’ve failed to distinguish between is initiatory force and retaliatory force. The former tend to be murderers, thieves, fraudsters, etc. whereas the latter tend to be policemen and soldiers. The two kinds of force are mutually exclusive, so don’t mix them up by equating the two as equally bad. The former is to violate rights; the latter is to protect rights.

              In fact, I’d argue that the military strategy (of total war) I’ve advocated is protective of the right to freedom of religion, since by destroying Islam I am actually protecting the rights of those in this country to practice any religion they’d like…. against a threat (Islam) that would strip away that right and force everyone to become Muslim.

        • Kordane

          There can be no freedom of religion for a religion which sanctions and mandates warfare against all unbelievers, for all time. There can be no freedom for the followers of a religion who have spent the past 1400 years killing, enslaving and subjugating unbelievers, and conquering their lands.

          The government is only mandated to protect the freedom of religion for people in this country, and only so long as that freedom does not involve the violation of the individual rights of others.

          Furthermore, Islam is different from other religions in that it is primarily a political ideology, like Communism or Nazism. The religious component is secondary to the political component. Hence, without state support, Islam will die. Islam has had state support ever since Muhammad went to Medina and gained that city’s support. If we eliminate all state support for Islam, then Islam dies. Demoralization is also an important factor, considering that when we defeated the forces of Islam in 1683 AD (at Vienna), Muslims were utterly demoralized and weakened for a period of 200 years afterwards. So total war with widespread nuclear bombardment would do the trick once more, except that this time their demoralization will be complete, since they will know that this time they are truly and utterly defeated; that their ideology is at an end; that that is no hope of recovery.

          I don’t think all Islamic states would have to be destroyed. I think that if we just bombed the strongest five or so into oblivion, that all the others would fall in line too, lest they face our wrath as well. I think the rest would be begging on their hands and knees to surrender and accept our terms.

          Yeah, there’d still be Muslims about, but without state support their ideology will eventually wither and die, and after several centuries of that, there probably wouldn’t be any Muslims about, except for very small groups, much like neo-Nazis of today who still linger about but don’t really have any power to threaten us.

    • JohnMartin Mull

      Here here Steven. Well said!

    • Mary Sieg

      I disagree, Steven….Muslims who worship and obey the koran….like we Christians do our Bible….are not following their faith if they don’t want us dead. Maybe some muslims are non-violent….but if they’re reading the koran, they’re ok with us all dead. They think we are evil and should not live. They believe they go to their version of Heaven by eliminating every one of us who doesn’t convert. I agree that our national debt is a huge problem, mainly because now if ever…we need a hugely strong military..but you’re right, there are probably bases in areas that could be closed. But to pull an aircraft carrier from the Persian Gulf….suicide. Ahmadininutjob is toasting us for that brilliant move.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Steven-Valdez/1806887704 Steven Valdez

        So what is the solution? Can’t just round up Muslims just because of their faith. We have Allies that have some of the largest Muslim populations in the world, they aren’t trying to kill us. We have Muslims helping our Troops fight these radicals. We have Muslims living in our country and they aren’t trying to kill us. If over 2 billion people purpose was to kill non-Muslims there would be a whole lot more dead. Now there are some that do try kill us. We can only fight those who seek to harm and kill us. We need to eliminate those threats.

        • http://boogieforward.us/ K-Bob

          We stop letting our culture be overridden by newcomers. Let people come here to be Americans. If they want to change the country, do it by joining the political process; not by buying politicians like Christie, threatening people like they do in their daily rants against the west, and creating enclaves where they keep people out like they do in several places around the country, and increasingly, in places like Dearborn, Michigan.

          We also do it by responding to their aggression in all places, in all forms. Not by hiding behind “fortress America,” like the Ron Paul folks want us to do.

        • Kordane

          There’s no need to “round up Muslims”, since most of those Muslims would renounce their political ideology after Islam has been defeated by the strategy of total war that I advocated earlier. The only reason that Muslims are Muslims is because they have hope of achieving victory against unbelief. If we so utterly defeat them that they lose all hope of ever achieving their victory, they will renounce their political ideology on their own, without us needing to do anything.

          Yes, we have some Muslim ‘allies’, but they’re not truly our allies because they follow the political ideology of Islam, which sanctions and mandates warfare against unbelief, for all time. They’re only our ‘pretend allies’ insofar as they know they’re at a disadvantage to unbelievers. If they had the advantage, as they did for most of their history, then they would be just like they’d been for most of their history, which is our killers, our enslavers, our subjugators and our conquerors.

          Yes, we have Muslims living in this country who aren’t trying to kill us, but that is an irrelevant point, because what’s important is whether the ideology they’re following advocates our conquest, enslavement, subjugation and death.

          We judge them not by the handful of peaceful/tolerant individuals we know, but by the ideology that is their core motivation for everything they do. The same went for Germany and Japan during WW2. I bet there were peaceful/tolerant Japanese and Germans, but we still had to go in there and obliterate the crap out of them!

          The last number I heard was 1.3 billion Muslims, not 2 billion. Even so, if all of those 2 billion Muslims immediately decided to adhere to Islam’s sanction and mandate to wage warfare against all unbelievers, for all time — Then we’d defeat every single one of them (yes, at massive cost to ourselves, but we’d still win). No, Muslims are patient people – They’re waiting until they can fight all unbelievers and WIN, not lose. They know that they need the advantage against us, but currently they’re at the disadvantage to us. They’re biding their time.

          It’s utterly impossible to stop their jihad by only killing those Muslims who are actively following Islam’s sanction and mandate to wage warfare against all unbelievers, for all time. Even if you could miraculously kill every single jihadist in the world, Islam would just spawn a whole new generation of jihadists after them. For every jihadist you kill, another one steps up to take their place – And all the while, Islamic states all over the world are becoming stronger and bolder. They can throw millions of jihadists at you, making you bankrupt yourself by spending trillions of dollars to fight them, and making you sacrifice your rights in pursuit of security.

          The only real solution is to destroy Islam by waging a massive campaign of total war, in which we launch massive bombardments of nuclear weapons at the strongest Islamic states, and then work down the list until all Muslims are demoralized, all Islamic states surrender, all Islamic states accept our terms of war, and hence all Islamic states renounce the ideology of Islam.

          Anything less will just let Muslims win their war.

    • http://boogieforward.us/ K-Bob

      I don’t see a call to “defeat Islam,” I see more of a reminder that we are forced to *fight* Islam, and counter spreading sharia. We need to do what Jefferson did and make them pay for their aggression, until they choose to stop it, like they did for a rather long period, before WWII.

      Make no mistake, we will always be forced to contend with ideologies that require our submission. That is a war that will never end. Not as long as humanity remains well short of the angels.

  • Kordane

    An absolutely brilliant essay.

    The only thing I would have added is a solution for actually winning the war (not containment) against Islam.

    • JohnMartin Mull

      The war against Islam? Are we at war with Islam? Geez, that should only last another 100 years or so.

      • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

        And you’re done.

        • 57thunderbird

          Thank you.He was becoming very annoying.Only here to try his best to get somebody riled up.Civil discourse is not in his vocabulary.

          • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

            You’re welcome.

            • TexasPGRRider

              I just landed…did I miss an exorcism or somethin` ?? It IS Sunday ya know….

              • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

                lol.

                • TexasPGRRider

                  Did you click the link posted by “the little brother” about halfway down this discussion?

                • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

                  I don’t know. I’ve clicked on a lot of links today and tonight. I’ll have to go look and remind myself.

                • TexasPGRRider

                  It`s a picture of what Christians can expect from islam….

                • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

                  OK. Still not sure- but seeing what Christians have already dealt with by muslims in Africa and the ME and other muslim countries, I have a pretty good clue on what to expect here someday if it gets to that point. :-( Did you read the one our bear brother posted? http://theulstermanreport.com/2013/02/10/bombshell-benghazi-expose-details-obamas-illegal-secret-war/

                • TexasPGRRider

                  I would apologize for being so persistant to get your attention, but our search for Truth, will at times, be Shocking. There is NO doubt, these victims are received instantly into The Sacred Heart of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ !!! I could not collect my thoughts for some several minutes when I first clicked on this link…I was expecting an article, not what I saw. I`ve gone back to it a few times since and the post is VERY POWERFUL !!! It`s the first photograph I have seen of what is going on in Egypt or anywhere where sharia is in control. Have NO SHAME for your tears sister. Remember the shortest verse in the Bible: “Jesus wept”. Peace be with you….

                • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

                  I do thank you for being persistent brother. As hard as that was to see, and I’ve seen some others, it’s harder for those who are suffering and we MUST spread the truth of what’s going on. So thank you Texas. The Revelation verse I just had to post. I needed something of His Word to settle mine, and hopefully your spirit after that. I do have to go to bed now, but it may be a while yet before I sleep.
                  Thank you for your words dear friend. I’m glad you found us here at Scoop. I love having you as part of our family and to know another brother. Have a Blessed week Texas. (((())))s

                • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

                  If you’re talking about our furbearing brother, yes! And I also have it bookmarked. Thanks Texas!

                • TexasPGRRider

                  It`s the photo I was wondering about

                • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

                  OK I really don’t know which one now. I’m sorry Texas- I’m brain fried right now. I posted the Ulsterman one and the Daily Mail one on twitter and having a few conversations now there and on facebook while also trying to get stuff ready for tomorrow. I wish days really were 56 hours long!!!

                • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

                  OH MY GOD!!!!!! I just saw that now. It was a different one a minute ago when I looked. Oh my God. I only clicked on and right off and I’m bawling. oh crap I wish I didn’t see that right now. sorry Texas.
                  Yeah. That’s what Christians have been suffering- but to our asses in government, entertainment, “news” and talk it’s Christians who are evil and intolerant.
                  God bless our brothers and sisters who suffer so!!!

                • TexasPGRRider
                • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

                  Thanks. I remember that one. Oy, yeah, the face of evil knows no gender. Ick.

                  OK See my next comment. I swear it was a different photo before. :-(

                • TexasPGRRider

                  1st was wrong…please check edit

                • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

                  I did and I’ll never be able to get that horrible picture out of my head. That poor woman!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I appreciate the knowledge of it because it needs to be known- but Lord I have seen some so evil and disturbing photos from this freaking evil satanic “religion” and it sickens my spirit and breaks my heart.
                  Thank you brother.

  • http://www.facebook.com/chester.simms.1 Chester Simms

    So then, with the so-called Tea Party stalwarts: Rubio–caving (of sorts) on immigration, Rand Paul–echoing his father; and Ryan–being somewhat co-opted by the Boehner gang, is there no hope left?

    • 57thunderbird

      Ted Cruz?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1254810689 Pete L-man

    I could read about only 2 paragraphs in to your statement and got bored. It’s the same old rhetoric comments made by war mongers and statist. Always jumping to battle first. (yawn) Tired and bored of this stuff. Time to move on, you guys are old relics.

    • tsturbo

      Then go grab your bong and catch some cartoons troll. No one here cares what you think.

    • Mary Sieg

      Are you kidding me Pete??? Maybe you shouldn’t be reading anything on RS, cause if this bores you, everything else probably will too…..not trying to be a meanie here…but this stuff scares the sh– out of me and I want to stand up at the County Market and pass out copies of this information. Too many people who are “not interested” “bored”…..that’s exactly the problem! Do you have to witness a beheading to see what we’re talking about here???

      • PVG

        Bravo Mary.

      • PhillyCon

        Pete doesn’t care. It doesn’t affect him, and Islam is just some religion he never had direct contact with.

        I bet if “Pete” had friends and or relatives from the Middle East who had to live as a minority he would not be so “bored.”

      • OneThinDime

        Pete L-man sounds like a low-information-voter to me.

    • tinlizzieowner

      I’ve got a idea, take your 5 posts and move on then. ;-)

      • 57thunderbird

        I second that motion. :-)

        • tinlizzieowner

          I could have stated that another way, like the liberals usually do but I decided to stay ‘diplomatic’, even though it is a thorough wast of time. ;-) ;-)

          • 57thunderbird

            Good for you.We can’t be lowering ourselves to their standards. :-)

            • tinlizzieowner

              Make no mistake about it. I’m not above lowering myself to their standards.
              Sometimes it’s just pointless though with ‘light weights’. ;-)

              • 57thunderbird

                I agree.An exercise in futility.

      • OneThinDime

        If we are voting, may I have permission to stuff the ballot box with he must go?

    • http://boogieforward.us/ K-Bob

      Sure is boring watching a bored person yawn. Especially when he crawled in here to tell us how very bored he is. X-Box broken?

      • 57thunderbird

        LOL!Thanks K-Bob,I neede that.:-)

      • OneThinDime

        Or maybe his EBT card is used up for the month already, it is the 10th…..

        • http://boogieforward.us/ K-Bob

          I think they renamed those things “Snap!” cards. Sounds so cheerful!

          “Hey, everybody! I’m not sucking money out of the wallets of people who work, I’m just using my Snap! card.” — low-info voter

    • TexasPGRRider

      I`d rather be a hasbeen than a never was….

      • OneThinDime

        For someone who just landed, you are still traveling at flight speed, great job!

  • http://www.facebook.com/tracy.mitchell.9421450 Tracy Mitchell

    The only thing that militant Muslims understand is brute force. They have absolutely no compassion for people, only the TOTAL subjugation of the world. When you light them up like the sun, then they understand. When you try to negotiate, that’s when they stick the knife in your back, because they are to cowardly to do it to your face.

    • JohnMartin Mull

      cowardly, they whipped the world’s only superpower twice in the last 10 years. Perhaps we have engaged the enemy and they are us.
      BRUTE FORCE? THEY WHIPPED OUR ASSES IN IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN. AND WE PROBABLY SPENT MORE IN ONE MONTH THAN THEY SPENT IN 10 YEARS. THEY LOVE THIS STUFF AND IT WAS OBL’S PLAN TO DRAG US IN.

      • tinlizzieowner

        If our military was allowed to fight to win, as we last did in ww2, there would be no contest.
        I asked you earlier, when and where did you serve?

        • Mary Sieg

          Absolutely tinlizzie…we need to fight the war to win. we need to kill them before they kill us. To hell with political correctness, religous tolerance. Islam is not a religion. Their Allah is the opposite of our Jesus. His name was Lucifer first. They want a Sharia flag to hang over our White House. I say send them all back, tear down those mosques, get them out of our colleges. This is a bloody war and either you fight and kill them or we will be dead. If you want to live in our country, you can worship Bugs Bunny, but not if he wants to behead grandma! That’s when it’s time to go rabbit hunting.

          • OneThinDime

            Excellent closing lines!

        • http://www.theconservativevoices.com/ dmacleo

          probably in a video game.

          • tinlizzieowner

            You’ll notice I never got an answer for that ‘where did you serve’ question. ;-)
            Just another one of these arm chair ‘REMF’s’ that don’t have a clue what war is all about. If he could recite the first verse of the poem “The Defence of Fort McHenry” (our National Anthem), I’m virtually certain he’s never read the last verse.
            “O thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
            Between their loved home and the war’s desolation.
            Blest with vict’ry and peace, may the Heav’n rescued land
            Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation!
            Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
            And this be our motto: “In God is our trust.”
            And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
            O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave”.

            • http://www.theconservativevoices.com/ dmacleo

              to be fair I often forget there is more to it too :)
              and thats a fail on my part as its a powerful verse.

      • OneThinDime

        Islam did not “whip” the US. Despite the Rules of Engagement, despite very poor military leadership chose by Obama, despite a Muslim as POTUS, despite the MB trying to influence this country, we have made more progress than the enemy ever anticipated.

        BTW, when did you serve in the military? Or are you just a selfish person that wants others to defend while you watch cable TV and play on the Internet?

      • http://www.theconservativevoices.com/ dmacleo

        idiot.
        when you purposely fight to a draw of course this happens. when cowards back here will allow a soldier to fight to win we do.
        last time that happened was WWII.
        we stopped fighting to win in Korea.

  • G_unitttt

    Agreed RScoop!

    • http://boogieforward.us/ K-Bob

      (It’s 911Infidel.)

      • G_unitttt

        apologies……good piece!

  • PapaLouie

    “And you’re wrong that our presence in Muslim lands is what motivates them to kill us. That’s just a pretext that they use.”

    You bet it’s just a pretext. I always cringed when I heard Ron Paul excuse Muslim violence with that pretext as if it had some validity. It is no more excusable for Muslims to kill us for setting foot on Muslim lands than it would be for us to kill Muslims for setting foot on American soil. Had we never stepped foot on Muslim soil, they would still be out to kill us out of revenge for the crusades of 1000 years ago. They never forget nor forgive any perceived offenses against them. They migrate here and demand the right to build mosques on grounds we consider sacred. But do they allow us to migrate to their lands and build churches in Mecca? Not a chance! No more of this double-standard. It’s time to hold them to the same standard they demand of us.

  • Mary Sieg

    Thank you for this excellent post. You have an incredible knowledge of the subject. I just read it for the second time. Thanks.

  • TexasPGRRider

    XLNT POST 911 !!! THANK YOU SIR…”Beware of the camel`s nose. Why? Because once the camel gets his nose inside the tent, his body will soon follow. And once the camel gets inside the tent, the former occupants face a choice: leave the tent or lie down in the camel`s bed.” Arab proverb…My concern is the degree which islam has infiltrated the highest levels of government. Thank the Good Lord we`re waking up. These next few weeks should be full of revelations. I`m pursuing Truth FULL BORE !!!!

  • PVG

    Awesome explanation and analysis. Thank you Infidel.

  • repubboy

    Thank you.. I had concerns about Mr. Pauls view on containment.. I also must agree wholeheartedly with you historical assessment of the Muslim vs. all other religions.
    Your article is true on every point. Its true that this war will end only with the utter defeat and destruction of all the Radical Muslims and the destruction of it’s base all of it’s supposed holy sites leveled and flattened or We the infidel’s will all be killed or forced to submit.
    Thats the way that the religion of peace has been written and practiced for hundreds of years, there is no changing the spots on that leopard.

  • http://boogieforward.us/ K-Bob

    I’m glad I don’t need to respond to the fake Martin Mull. Thanks for dealing with him, folks!

    911Infidel, I understand your point about Rand. I’ve always had my reservations about him. But I’m only concerned as far as who is getting shoved down our throats for 2016.

    I like having Rand in the Senate, as long as he doesn’t cough up some of the nasty furballs his Dad did while in congress (and out). I also like having Rubio in the Senate. I just want them to stay there, or serve their two terms and go home.

  • http://twitter.com/ozziecastillo Stewie

    Define Paleocon as anti-semitic, then brand any military cuts as Paleocon = anyone that doesn’t get offended by military cuts as anti-Semites.

    …..am I the only person reading it this way?

    • http://boogieforward.us/ K-Bob

      I don’t think that’s what he said.

      There are a lot of paleos who are not really the same as the Buchanan-style, Jew-hating paleos. Many evangelicals would qualify, for instance, and they are usually strong supporters of Israel.

      Fortunately, by coming up with the term “Values Conservative” I have a separate group those folks can be classified in, and not be tarred by Buchanan’s increasingly senile rantings.

      Values Conservatives are usually strongly Christian, and don’t necessarily follow politics, nor read the books that conservative thinkers read. They just vote Republican, or stay home (depending on work schedule, whether they think the Republican is anti-Christian, or whether they care anymore since it’s so bad it’s pointless to bother).

      Romney and Rubio are Values Conservatives. Rand is partially a Reagan Conservative, and partially a libertarian/fiscal-con. His dad is a Neo-libertarian, and that group is going nowhere. Rand definitely needs to shake himself loose from that bunch if he wants to be President.

  • http://black-avenger-1.livejournal.com/profile VirusX

    Finally, someone else that doesn’t drink that dumb bastard’s sugary Kool Aid. I’ve said this, since before he won election. The Pauls are a cursed breed, and their curse hurts this nation. They come up with a couple of good ideas, and suddenly they’re the Lioniadas Family, or the reincarnations of Charles Martel and Agustas Caesar. On the military 24 hour time system, even broken clocks are right once per day. The sooner we dispense with those idiots, and their psychotic paulnuts, the better off we’ll be. Their views on law and government are almost completely warped beyond recognition, and are generally not too much more American, than Obama’s. They insist on portraying Conservatives as living in some sort of demented fantasy world, all the while not realizing that they are the one’s looking like Kevin Spacey’s character from “Seven”.

  • http://boogieforward.us/ K-Bob

    By the way, folks should remember that Reagan was a fan of Ayn Rand. His first two years, there were Randians in his circle of advisors and aides. They got shoved aside by the pragmatists, though.

    I hold out hope for Rand Paul, since a “Reagan + libertarian/fiscal-Con” approach can be made to work fabulously, but I’m not expecting much.

  • JMiller1776

    Some good points brought up in this commentary. I like Rand Paul, but I think his foreign policy speech missed the mark. No one would advocate pointless ground wars, and we could debate the whether we would fight in Iraq or Afghanistan if we had it to do all over again, and if we would we could debate how to better do it in a more efficient and cost effective manner. We live in a global market. Americans and American interests are spread all over the globe. We can’t play the isolationist game anymore even if we wanted to. I’m all for closing unnecessary bases, but most of the bases we have are strategically vital. War is a costly inconvenience, most notably in lives lost, but we can’t just ignore those who are actively threatening us. Putting our head in the sand won’t make it go away.

  • NWIGOP

    No he is not a Paleo-Conservative he is a Libertarian.

  • proudhispanicconservative

    I dont have to hear the speech, I think that if scoop thinks that this guy is a small version of his father, that is enough for me to turn the channel away from the Rand Paul Frequency. Thank you Scoop, your insights are very welcome.

  • http://alsbach-art.com/ Floyd Alsbach

    I disagree with your use of ‘neocon’ scoop. (No I haven’t read you entire symposium on the subject.) In common everyday usage, at least in my personal experience here in the Midwest, ‘Neocon’ has come to be somewhat synonymous with Compassionate Conservatism, in other words, Liberal Republicans.

    I also think that it is extravagant to continue to act as the worlds police force, especially for free. This has allowed our Western allies and Japan to skip out on maintaining a decent military of their own. In this era of rapid travel do we really need to maintain hundreds of bases around the world?

    Maybe we should let the Muslim countries disintegrate of their own self destructive weight. If we stopped buying their oil by DRILLING and producing the oil we have here in the US they would all be in a heap o’ trouble. Now, on Iran having Nukes, and re-reading Sun Tzu I quite completely agree.

    I also believe that war should be total, or not at all. This whole rebuilding the country, building Democracies, “making the world safe for Democracy” for years after ‘the war’ is over, is self indulgent and a reckless waste of our time, treasure and people. Basically, kick ass, pack up and go back home. Other smaller actions that are occasionally necessary… I thought that was the principle function of the Special Forces.

  • NCHokie02

    Didn’t listen to the speech on FP and haven’t heard him talk FP yet, so I still like RP. He seems one of few that stick up for the constitution in the Senate.

    However we will never have a viable candidate that really says what Islam is and what should be done about it. It just won’t happen. The MSM would come after that candidate with a vengence and all the ignorant people who believe Islam is nothing harmful will be on board. You would have people from all over the country to include his own party calling for him to get out of the race. Sad but true.

    And though I do agree that we have to fight against Islam and it’s influences I do know that they will not win. If you believe that they are the religion of the anti-christ then we know that the battle is already won. As Shoebat says the bible points out that the anti-christ will take up arms against the most powerful nations and God will bring those nations might against him. From that we know that the anti-christ doesn’t dominate the world, although some parts of it he will. i.e. the Middle-East. But I do believe that we still need to counter Islam where we can with Christian values and supporting Christians abroad, e.g. Iranian-American pastor who has been sentenced to 8 years (i believe) in prison for missionary work in Iran.

    On the FP side I do believe that there are some areas that we could cut back overseas. Am I saying all bases? No. Strategically important ones should stay open. But due to our fiscal mess can we afford to keep all of these bases operating all over the world? It’s worth it to take a look. Again, I’m not advocating shutting down bases that are critical to fly into and are strategic staging and access bases. For example, we have airbases in Rota, Spain and Moron, Spain; do they both need to be open? I don’t know but it may be worth looking at in terms of spending. Although spending needs to be fixed more in the domestic arena to fix our mess more so than in the military. The military is just always the easy target. I don’t like cutting our budget because I see it at work and it blows. Guys who were in in the 90’s talk of how their unit could afford to go to the range once a year, once. They couldn’t afford the ammo. So a unit that’s primary job is to engage with the enemy and kill him you allow enough money to go to the range once to shoot. Nice one bill.

    Anyhow, I’m sure I went off on a little bit of a tanget but I still hold out hope for Rand. I don’t want him to become like his father but we’ll see.

  • JoeMontana16

    I don’t know that I agree that Pat Buchanan is an anti-Semite. He just doesn’t look at Israel the way a lot of us do. I’m a big fan of Michael Scheuer. He doesn’t believe we should hang it all out for Israel either but that’s just his opinion. I disagree with him on that but greatly admire the man for his other views and insights. Doesn’t mean he hates the Jews. He has a unique view of things since he was head of the OBL unit.

    Calling one an anti-Semite is a strong word and would save that description for real anti-Semites.

  • misterlogic0013

    Either do I .. many holes in Rand Paul’s stance, he has some good qualities, sadly not enough of them .. He wouldn’t be where he is if it wasn’t for Sarah, unfortunately he became another follower of status quo. Rand Paul = not much going on ..

  • http://www.theconservativevoices.com/ dmacleo

    people who have actually physically served (and are paying for it for all of their lives) on those forward deployment bases may beg to differ.
    we seldom had training funds as our $$ went to pay for trees destroyed (in germany you also paid for the familial loss of the tree) and stupid pc crap like that. in the end all we did was support an economy that hated us, hell we had the muslim turks trying to kill us all the time, us MP’s had to watch for gangs of them.
    its not cut and dried issue.
    especially when our hands are always tied but the “leaders” back here.

  • bobemakk

    Now I have to change my mind about Rand Paul for president. What the hell is going on with these republicans? They are all becoming RINO’s. God help US!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/44F4AB4VSCTOCHBMBG4ZWWD5OU Laurel

    9/11 Infidel: Well done!!!

    My daughter was at the speech and pretty much came away with the same conclusions and from what I gather so did most people.

  • mediaaccess1

    Yep. You hit the nail on the head.

  • OneThinDime

    From my cold dead hands. I shall also step aside and not allow liberals or the libertarians cover.

  • OneThinDime

    Islam is not a religion, it is a cult and breeds on death and destruction.

  • OneThinDime

    I’m leaning towards legal immigrants (not those illegal ones) with no right to vote. Assimilate or return to home country.

  • OneThinDime

    I’m a bit behind, it’s been called so many different things over the years :) I guess SNAP is it because they get their welfare in-a-snap!

  • OneThinDime

    From Washington Times. Rand Paul believes the illegals in our country are undocumented citizens. “I then would normalize the status of 11 million undocumented citizens”

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/feb/11/from-illegals-to-taxpayers/#.URlN6nKz8e0.twitter

  • tinlizzieowner

    “What happens to the world economy when gas is $25 a gallon?”

    We start developing our own petroleum resources, like we were doing when we had a real President. ;-)

  • http://twitter.com/Powerfactor1 Mark Adam

    Yeah, keep fighting the 1000 year war while they sit back and wait for our economic collapse. They have to expend nothing but threats while we expend blood and treasure. F the Establishment, pull our troops out and bring them home. Keep our military and espionage strong and if they interfere with our trade, hammer them, other wise let them wallow in their ignorance but quit giving them what they want…our demise.

  • http://thehayride.com MacAoidh

    While I wouldn’t call Rand Paul’s speech a particular redemption where foreign policy is concerned, he’s not as far gone as his father is. At least he recognizes a long-term threat from Islam.

    He has a long way to go, though, before his foreign policy isn’t a weakness.