Rick Perry had the best solution on dealing with illegal immigration. Tighten up the borders to dry up the problem. We are going to keep coming back to these arguments as long as the border isn't sealed, just like the debt ceiling debate. Asking congress to seal the borders is like asking them to control spending.
Ugh. Sorry Rand, I love ya and all that, but no thanks. Republican's WON'T GET ANY VOTERS FROM THIS DEAL! Go ahead and grant them amnesty, and watch the Democrat's take over normally Red States. I don't care how "conservative" some Republican's say they are, but the Democrat's will have yet another loyal voting block.
Secure the freaking border. Do nothing else until that is done. You geniuses in Washington think you can manage that? No? Well, then leave it to the rest of us and get out of our damn way.
Yup, way to go fellas - throw the working schmuck under the bus! Both of these men are too young to have lived thru how the addition of millions of illegal aliens has already adversely affected our Constitutional Republic the last 25 years and none want to discuss what Ike pulled off. My guess is that neither of them has ever had to compete with the illegal alien for a rung on the proverbial "ladder to success" that would support their family and lead to a better life. In other words, they are book smart but not street smart. Kinda' like my ex-brother-in-law who had a business doctorate and a law degree but didn't have enough common sense to come in out of the rain.
This just reinforces my belief that any genuine constitutional candidate who wins a seat in congress must go into it with the mentality of a guerrilla in enemy territory.
So much for the Constitutional candidate. Do these people ever think of just doing nothing? By nothing I mean secure the border. Eliminate any government benefits for illegals. Enforce the laws on the book. These are already laws just enforce them.
After this is done develop a workable green card program. I'm supposing there already is one that no one knows about or is enforcing so this could probably go in the first paragraph.
This is what I love about Republicans. The minute liberals go around screaming something needs to be done about something (other than what's good for the U.S.) Republicans jump right on board to try and fix (compromise) it. Their idiots.
I wish these politicians would start talking in terms of protecting our sovereignty. That is their job after all. Uphold the constitution. Stop diluting the issue.
What's the point of a vote? They normally vote without knowing what they're voting for. They never read it. I'm beyond digested. I'm coming to the realization that if you're a true American and born here, you don't matter, other than having them pick your pockets.
We're men and women without a party or a country. Republican Party RIP.
So he’s peachy keen on “normalizing” 11 million lawbreakers whose presence here drives down wages for American workers and places enormous burdens on the American taxpayer who must, educate, police-adjudicate-incarcerate, treat medically, feed (thank you food stamp president), and what did I miss? them.
So the Republican Party has decided the US is kaput: rule of law? what difference does it make?; national sovereignty? who cares?; public safety? they’re little people, the serfs -- no one cares about them, the chump taxpayers; culture? hey, one culture is just as good as another -- all civilizations die, get used to it.
Well thank you Paul and Rubio. Now we know where we stand with the Republican Party.
Sen. Vitter and Sessions should get out front and form a third party. WE ARE SO READY.
So he's peachy keen on normalizing 11 million lawbreakers whose presence here not only drives wages down for Americans but places enormous strains on taxpayers, policing, educating, medicating, adjudicating, and what did I miss? them.
Forget the rule of law, forget national sovereignty, forget culture, forget the United States of America, because it's quite clear that Republicans have decided to join Democrats in erasing America once and for all.
E -friggin' - volve??? .....................To get more voters for DNC???
After Reagan's amnesty, LESS southern neighbors voted for RNC.
Forgotten? Not by us.
Are you blind and brainless? Just join DemocRATS and stop this charade.
BTW - the unemployment in USA must be ZERO!! How do I know it?
Just read below:
"President Barack Obama will let his jobs council expire this week without renewing its charter"
there is no longer any incentive to obey the rule of law in this country. Those that registered their guns are now on a list compiled by DOJ in the vent of targeted confiscation.
Then we have the chief law enforcement officer constantly breaking the law and ignoring court rulings like moratorium on drilling and recess appointments.
and now we have this...and I notice it comes from a Senator that has no clue what it is like to live with uncontrolled illegal immigration. The impact is enormous. Between entitlements, education, infrastructure to the environment itself it is unsustainable and yet we told to 'evolve'.
VOTE THEM OUT AND KEEP DOING IT UNTIL THEY GET THE MESSAGE ABOUT WHO THEY WORK FOR.
Sure, Sen Paul, you're gonna trust those government reports? You're gonna believe the whitewashed hearings? Everything the government is saying and doing is one big lie, and now you're signing on. Sad.
I am so sick and tired of libertarians and these fake republicans righteousness. They tell us that we must accept same-sex marriage, illegal drugs, and people should do whatever they want with no consequences and now we need to "evolve" on immigration that will inevitably destroy the customs and destroy traditions that make us uniquely Americans. How is it that you call yourselves leaders when you continually swim with the fish? These people are not leaders but opportunist. We are always very skeptical about these politicians and the minute I saw Rubio on a foreign trip with John McCain I knew that he had turn- I had suspensions before that but that solidified it for me. These talk radio host need to stop putting these people up as leaders because they are no such leaders; they are followers who sing to one tune. But with Rubio and Paul there really were no other candidates better in their primaries and having a cohesive message got them to where they are.
In the case of Ted Cruz he had a tremendous amount of competition so he have to perform in both of the primaries in Texas so he is battle proof and understands messaging. It must not only be cohesive but able to present and communicate substantive ideas and deliver that in a format that the public can understand. Now that’s an ability that neither Romney, Ryan, Rand, nor Rubio have.
I agree with you. But it's more than messaging: it has to be WHO he is, not what he wants to become. If he is a man of strong principle and integrity, a man who has internalized his core beliefs to the point that he is unshakeable, he is compelled from every ounce of his being to stay true to them and speak of them plainly and without fear. He realizes that truth is beauty and beauty, truth, and he will protect them with his life. He is a rock. No, neither Romney, Ryan, Rand, nor Rubio qualify, not by any yardstick.
Right on, HarrietHT2! I did say that messaging is just a political move and in most instances meaningless. Messaging along with conviction, a belief in Conservatism and the ability to present and deliever are all crucial and I really do think all of those qualities are in Sen. Cruz. I cannot even imagine him being molded or shaped into a RINO.
Thxs for sharing that, HarrietHT2. I am just not that into him anyway. So with the next electioin we may get a Hillary or whomever the dems put up but I will not blindly vote for another RINO and I know that there are many like us who believe, not feel, the same way. These RINOs have got to be the most incompetent politicians on the face of the earht. There are no numbers showing that Hispanics will overwhelmingly vote for Republicans when they agree or implement amnsety and this latest amnesty move will prove no different. You have to go out in the community and visit the churches to communicate our ideas. Ideas are what win elections, not amnesty peddling.
And now we begin to keep a close eye on Cruz, as I had done with Rubio earlier, with disappointing results. See this here, if you care to know when my hopes for Rubio were forever shattered:http://www.amnation.com/vfr/
I frequent VFR daily, so I've known for months who the real Rubio is. His subsequent voting record further confirmed for me his sham conservatism.
I literally can't stand the stupidity anymore. A voting block of people who don't necessarily identify with you does not 'suddenly' change their mind because you promised them an extra present under the tree. That is not a sudden sign of respect if that is what you're hoping for? And if these morons think it is, they have a very serious problem with reality and common sense?
For gawds sake, I would like just 1 person to have the balls to stand up there and say; 'I'm not going to pander to any group. Here are the principles of Conservatism that WILL get us out of this mess. Conservatism encompasses the individual to be able to thrive on their own merits. Their own ideas. And their own hard work. And we welcome those who wish to stand with us as we fix these problems and disaters created by utopian and liberal ideologies that fail EVERY time they are tried. History is repleat with the failures. And because history tends to repeat itself, we are again, living out those same failures imposed by a president that believes he IS the answer to the failed 'utopias' of the past. And like those before him, he will fail because the idea of collectivism is NOT a principle. It's an idea and/or theory from a man (Karl Marx) who was living off of someone else's hard work. And like those believers of the ideology, it's failure is ALWAYS some else's fault for not succeeding. It is human nature for the 'individual' to live free. And until they can successfully drum it out of the human spirit, they will NEVER win.
I'm tired of being a pawn of some politicians game to garner respect from an elite class of crapweasels either in DC or in the media who live in a bubble of 'evian' type air. I have watched my paycheck dwindle because of bills written to stroke their pious sensibilities that end up hurting the rest of the country, all in the name of a 3in guppy that lives in a rain puddle. My paycheck has dwindled so much that EVERY penny is accounted for. EVERY DAMN ONE OF THEM. And by the end of the month I can no longer afford a 32oz drink outlawed in NY. If only we had representatives that could do accounting that same way. We wouldn't be in the same damn arguments over spending every year, every congress and every presidency playing it like its russian rhoulette.
So here's the deal to all those in DC and around the country. There is a BIG group of people who sat home in 2012 because of your lack of enthusiasm to speak to those that were already in your voting bloc. We were taken for granted. You keep going down this road of pandering for a few more percentage points, and you will suddenly find out that it is all you have left.
Great rant... spot on.
I offer my meager condolences to your situation... I'm getting there too as my paycheck and benefits are also fading...
I hope we get 'er done in 2014... or we'll be done.
You're very kind and I truly appreciate the thoughts. It's not the paycheck so much for me, in that it's the critical mass we're now at because of their stupidity and narcissistic need to 'be liked' by their peers. And we all suffer and pay for it. I'm not worried for me as much as my family and friends around me who have it worse.
I'm with you my friend. My family - most of whom voted for Obama are ill-prepared for the ramifications (yeah, that's a play on words and a kinder way of describing what's coming) of their actions.
It sickens me how much suffering and pain all of these people are causing. My wife is done with all my anger over what they are doing.
Let me lighten the mood. Here was a recent Christmas gift. Maybe it'll help to switch roles for a bit - or it might be therapy... :)
Well said! True. They can no longer keep us in the dark. We may not know the depth fo their over run of our liberty and sovereignty, but we cannot not avoid that it is here. There will be a revolution - the only question now is what will be its nature.
We have come to the cliff, we have come to the wall.
Nothing is going to change in this bitter partisan atmosphere. Our takers in government won't stop taking. The takers in the populace won't suddenly become hard workers.
I fear that nothing will change until we face utter ruin. Going back to the basics is out of the question until the current system collapses.
Either that, or there will be large numbers of like-minded Conservatives who can make a change at the ballot box first. Problem is, our supposed party has abandoned the core principles as well. So, collapse and ruin it is. Or outright refusal to comply.
I suppose a third outcome is we muddle by for a few years and the country limps along until true Conservatives have had enough and gain power.
Frankly, I wish we had some "bitter partisan atmosphere." From my reading of events and players, what we have is full-out capitulation by first the beltway Republicans and now even the "conservative" (HAH!) "stars." Please, oh please, may we have some real-life bitter partisanship, evidence that we are fighting tooth and nail for our beloved country.
The perfect storm. Open borders, welfare state, Democrats who exploit Hispanics through misinformation (our corrupt media) and promise them welfare in order to get their vote.
I agree that we'll have to reach some unpalatable compromises somewhere... though I won't like it one bit and I'm not sure what those compromises are. But secure the border right now... because as news of compromise and "evolving" stances on immigration get aired (and the MSM will race to air this crap so more illegals can crowd in and vote for their masters), the trickle becomes a flood. Every day, every hour, more and more unskilled moochers invade our country. And Democrats love it and often benefit from it. This must end NOW.
Your point is well taken. In fact, over the last several days I've come to conclude that another wave of illegals arriving here -- via this dog and pony show we're living through -- is the desired outcome of our elected body, obvious to anybody now that they intend soon to erase our north and south borders, NAU-style.
How else does it make any sense at all that Republicans would so thoroughly destroy their brand, much less willingly import Democrat voters in such mass numbers sufficient to make permanent a one-party progressive/statist government? Have Republicans decided the best they can hope for is to pretend they're the "other" party just so they can sit at the table as lackeys?
Secure the borders. Baby step one is a big step indeed.
Sober, why is it that we just EXPECT our rulers to screw things up and not follow their clearly mandated role in the Constitution?
Why do we EXPECT so little of them? Hardly a Lincoln or Jefferson in sight.
Exactly the real issue here. That one I've read about except Sessions is even hinting at that reality, is grim.
They are already in.
That they are already on US soil without a visa/permit, is self-incriminatory proof that they violated US Federal Law
Because they violated US Federal Law, they are ineligible for any sort of existing visa or permit that would give them a path to citizenship
If our politicians "reform " intends to allow them go onto that existing visa path to citizenship, they must first excuse their pre-meditated violation of US Federal law. (aka Amnesty)
Therefore, any "reform" from our political class boils down to nothing more than Amnesty for law breaking foreign citizens.
Promises of "no voting or entitlement rights for 20 years" will be honored just as all the laws today are. i.e. "fuhgetah 'bout it, suckahs!"
I really think we have to do something sensible that many immigration hawks will probably scream about. But I want to challenge you on being hawkish on this subject.
Think of it: you cannot very well send cops door to door in riot gear rounding up people who are illegal and dropping them off on the border. It ain't gonna happen. It's inhumane and Mexico doesn't want them.
What's the next step then? Dems want open borders so they can buy illegal votes. We want to kick out everyone who can't prove they belong here.
Guys, there has GOT to be some compromise on this. There just has to. And if we can get secure borders, that's a big deal. Rubio's plan imposes penalties on current illegals and sends them to the back of the line.
What more do we really want? SWAT Teams beating down doors? Interment camps on the border? Random police stops for anyone who's too brown? Because if you stay hawkish on immigration, that's what you are asking for.
Always question the premise. Mass deportation and breaking down doors is not necessary and impractical. New laws are not needed.
It took decades to get here. It will take decades to reverse. We got here by not enforcing our laws. We simply have to start enforcing our laws. Just stating publicly our resolve to enforce our laws, will reverse the flow - that I can guarantee.
Anything else is political deception to win a block of 12 million entitlement voters.
OK, fair point. But how do we get there?
The Dems are pretty clear that they want to buy illegal votes and will do nothing to uphold their Constitutional mandate to secure our borders.
How do we get anything - anything at all - from people who think like this?
I, for one, am listening up when Republicans come up with some kind of a plan, even if I'm not thrilled about all of it. We can't just stay where we are and the Dem's long-running plan sucks.
The calculation missing in your position is that Obama has sued the state of Arizona for enforcing federal law, and won. Obama is so determined to have open borders that he sued my state for exercising her sovereign right to protect her citizens. And the SC went along with it. NO PLAN will MAKE him enforce the law. And the Republicans KNOW THIS. They all know he sued AZ because AZ was doing the job he would NOT DO -- and never intends to do. This is all smoke and mirrors, a charade, real-true kabuki theater.
Then how do you get what you want? I'm not talking about letting values slide, but coming up with a reasonable compromise wherein we get what we want: Secure borders.
You can't just dig in your heels and get something for nothing. A compromise is when both sides give up on something and come to a new agreement.