Rep. Bridenstine: Republicans are caving too much

This is the kind of talk I like to hear coming from Republicans. Rep. Jim Bridenstine from Oklahoma is one of 12 Republicans who didn’t vote for Boehner and is now worried that Boehner is going to cave on the sequester and end up raising taxes. Bridestine says that Republicans are caving too much:

THE HILL – Freshman Rep. Jim Bridenstine (R-Okla.) said Tuesday that he fears Republicans, and Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) in particular, will cave in and accept a tax hike once the sequester hits in March.

“My concern, and I think the concern of a lot of Republicans in Congress, is that once the sequester takes effect, people are going to be screaming for a deal, and that deal ultimately is going to be what the president wants — to raise taxes,” Bridenstine said, according to the Tulsa World.

“And if there’s enough pressure, [Boehner] will bring it to the floor and 200 Democrats and 30 or 40 Republicans will vote for it,” he added. “And once again you have the Speaker caucusing with the Democrats.”

Bridenstine said Republicans are already “caving too much” on the budget.

“My beef is that we’re caving too much,” he said. “If everything you do is what the president wants, then there is no compromise.”

Bridenstine started the year by sounding a critical note on Boehner as one of the 12 Republicans who didn’t vote for Boehner for Speaker. He and two other Republicans voted for Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.).

“There are probably a lot of freshmen he doesn’t know the names of,” Bridenstine said. “He pays a lot of attention to me, and the reason is because I stood up to him on something.”


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  • 27Words

    Since when are all the “deals” done behind closed doors with “Leadership”… bring the discussion to the floor !!! Let the nation (those that give a rip).. see exactly what the battle is about…. let the Dems defend NO cuts on the floor…

    Stop the pointless closed door meetings with leaders that don’t lead!

    • JeffWRidge

      You are exactly right. The Founders did not want our elected representatives working in secret.

      Incidentally, I love your avatar. Walter is one of my favorite characters.

  • I find it discouraging that I see Nancy Pelosi on television more than the Speaker of the House.

    • sDee

      When I call my elephant senator’s office I always ask the staffer “where is he?”. I see Reid and all the weasels but never see him defending or fighting for anything. Never a press conference. Nothing. Just making deals behind the scenes.

  • JeffWRidge

    Too many Republicans don’t seem to understand that they’ll get more actual support from the American people if they take a stand and fight for something. We want someone willing to fight for what they believe in.

  • Boehner needs to take a long walk off a short plank! We need FIGHTERS not Cry Babies!

    My new nickname for Boehner is “Bendover Boehner.”

  • Conniption Fitz

    The name of the game in DC, the District of Corruption, Collusion and Cronyism, is PC = Political Correctness, Political Charades, Pointless Caving, Prurient Concupisence, Power Coveting, Paid Complicity and Punitive Conformity.

    As another blog/commenter pointed out – the establishment of both parties and their media dogs are OUT TO GET Ted Cruz.

    The Republican establishment (Bush I to Romney and Rove) are not conservative, but oligarchical – they believe in the political elite running things in government, economy and in your lives,

    • Conniption Fitz

      Who was it that said they would rather the country be ruled by the first 100 names in the phone book than by the elected elite in DC? They were right. The elite should have heard my plumber talk about Obama’s unconstitutional actions this morning.

      • I tried to find the quote for you, but only found one similar: “History fully vindicates the late William F. Buckley’s view that he would rather be ruled by people represented by the first 100 names in the Boston phone book than by the faculty of Harvard.” By Thomas Sowell.

        • Guess I should of scrolled further! 😉

          • LOL! Such is the life of us Disqus posters! 🙂

      • I believe it was William Buckley.

    • Once upon a time we called them ‘Country Club Republicans’ among other things.

  • sDee

    All the fear-mongering and deception over the sequester cuts is designed by the Kabuki players in DC. They are creating a crisis so they will “have” to “compromise” to raise taxes, and/or the debt ceiling.

    The press is out there today decrying cuts to schools and police. Mothers and babies will be turned out into the streets to scavenge like dogs.

    Well – the Federal Budget is going up. It is not being cut. The sequester cuts only are reducing the amount of the increase!!!

    Check out these “savage” sequester cuts for yourself.

    • Exactly correct.

    • ladyjk

      Exactly, and why is this fact not plastered all over the newspapers, news reels, radio talk shows, TV talk shows. The masses do not understand that the cuts just mean no across the board increases. This base line budgeting where each year a percentage gets tacked onto each Dept.’s budget and voting against that increase is not a cut. On top of that Obama has added so many czars with each czar’s personnel and office costs with all the new IRS agents, etc. there aren’t enough of us tax payers to shoulder the costs.

  • c4pfan

    Isn’t the Debt Ceiling thing at the same time or is that put off until May?

  • Kordane

    Republicans “cave too much” because they’re not Objectivists.

    That’s the bottom line, folks.

    • Elaborate a bit for me please. 😉

      • Kordane

        When it comes to defending Capitalism, Republicans are inconsistent and weak. The most they can do is give a half-hearted weak-sauce defense of Capitalism, by arguing that they think it’s “inherently immoral” (because of its focus on self-interest, greed, making money, and empowering the profit motive), but that they concede that it is a “necessary evil”, because it’s the best system we know of for creating prosperity and happiness for all people, no matter how rich or poor they are.

        Theirs is simply NOT a convincing/persuasive argument in the defense of Capitalism.

        You can’t just “half defend” something, and then claim that you’re its champion. You have to be consistent in your defense, otherwise your opponents, who are consistent in their offense, will defeat you, and lead us all to tyranny.

        Objectivists don’t “half defend” Capitalism. We fully defend it on all fronts, and then go on the moral offensive, taking the fight to the moral ground which Republicans long ago surrendered to the Left. We take that ground from statists, and then we fortify it.

        I highly recommend this lecture on the morality of Capitalism –

        Listen to any Republican defending Capitalism, and then compare him with the speaker (Yaron Brook) in that video. Then you’ll understand why I say they cave “because they’re not Objectivists”.

        • The video is over 90 minutes, so I saved it to watch later. Thanks for the reply. I will look at the video when I have some spare time.

          • Kordane

            There are other reasons for why Republicans “cave too much”, such as their basing unalienable individual rights on faith in the supernatural, rather than on reality and reason; such as their willingness to “compromise” with statists, rather than resisting them on (moral) principle; such as their willingness to do what is ‘expedient’, rather than do what is ‘right’; such as their inconsistent defense of individualism, and their frequent acceptance/use of collectivism, etc.

            If you want to watch more content, then I suggest going to the main Objectivist video site –

            Even if there’s certain stuff you don’t like about Objectivism, there’s a hell of a lot of intellectual ammunition on there; videos/podcasts that will bolster your arguments and help you tear statist arguments to shreds. I’m more than happy to link stuff if it helps people fight more effectively for the cause of liberty.

            • HarrietHT2

              I do not subscribe to the Objectivist worldview. And since you indicate an appreciation for “intellectual ammunition,” I’m inviting you to follow this link to learn why:

              This is my way of replying to you without hijacking the thread.

              • Rshill7

                I like this part:

                “That’s why all the blood relatives of Rand’s heroes are portrayed as either irrelevant non-humans whom the hero must escape in his teens and never see again (Roark’s birth family, Galt’s birth family), or as monstrous villains and the embodiment of evil (Dagny’s brother, Rearden’s mother and brother). That’s why there are no families and no children to speak of in Galt’s Gulch. Any Randian community must die out in a generation.”

                • Kordane

                  See the above link in my reply to Harriet

                • Kordane

                  Quote: “That’s why there are no families and no children to speak of in Galt’s Gulch. Any Randian community must die out in a generation.””


                  Quoted from Atlas Shrugged, page #579: “I shall charge you for your room and board — it is against our rules to provide the unearned sustenance of another human being. Some of us have wives and children, but there is a mutual trade involved in that, and a mutual payment

                  Quoted from Atlas Shrugged, page #597: “The recaptured sense of her own childhood kept coming back to her whenever she met the two sons of the young woman who owned the bakery shop. She often saw them wandering down the trails of the valley — two fearless beings, aged seven and four. They seemed to face life as she had faced it. They did not have the look she had seen in the children of the outer world — a look of fear, half-secretive, half sneering, the look of a child’s defense against an adult, the look of a being in the process of discovering that he is hearing lies and of learning to feel hatred.

                  Quoted from Atlas Shrugged, page #598: ““They represent my particular career, Miss Taggart,” said the young mother in answer to her comment, wrapping a loaf of fresh bread and smiling at her across the counter. “They’re the profession I’ve chosen to practice, which, in spite of all the guff about motherhood, one can’t practice successfully in the outer world. I believe you’ve met my husband, he’s the teacher of economics who works as linesman for Dick McNamara. You know, of course, that there can be no collective commitments in this valley and that families or relatives are not allowed to come here, unless each person takes the striker’s oath by his own independent conviction. I came here, not merely for the sake of my husband’s profession, but for the sake of my own. I came here in order to bring up my sons as human beings. I would not surrender them to the educational systems devised to stunt a child’s brain, to convince him that reason is impotent, that existence is an irrational chaos with which he’s unable to deal, and thus reduce him to a state of chronic terror. You marvel at the difference between my children and those outside, Miss Taggart?

                  It goes to show how this particular writer of this particular article hasn’t even read Atlas Shrugged, and neither have you, it seems.

                • Rshill7

                  “Some of us have wives and children, but there is a mutual trade involved in that, and a mutual payment”

                  Yep, gives me emotional chills such as I’ve never known, and fills my poor empty heart with butterflies, hummingbirds, and little heart-shaped valentines. I’m all misty over here.

                  Chattel: How much for 3-4 head of those?

                  Spare me your tortured adopted philosophy which has to tie itself in knots like 300 feet of Christmas lights, then untangle them one at a time to get to the point where they’re all laid out in a row, you plug them in, and no light comes from any point on the string.

                  The Christmas story though, ah, that’s where light lives.

                • Kordane

                  You’re twisting the words because you don’t understand a single bloody thing about Objectivism and what it stands for, and seek only to denigrate what you perceive to be a threat.

                  The line you quoted is not advocating that children have a monetary price put on their heads! It’s an exchange of spiritual values, such as the parents gaining a sense of joy/happiness from having children and seeing them grow up, in exchange for the children being provided/cared for.

                  The happiness they gain is of greater value to them than all the time/effort/money they spend on their children, and is hence not a sacrifice for them to have children.

                  That Objectivism is not anti-family and is not anti-children, contrary to your endorsement of the author of the article who made that false claim.

                  Objectivism does not approve of that

                • Rshill7

                  “…and seek only to denigrate what you perceive to be a threat.”

                  Hmmm. I thought that’s what your life goal was. I stand uncorrected, on your face.

                  I’ve apparently got on your last nerve. Perhaps I’ll pinch your facial nerve too. Try not to grimace.

                • Kordane

                  Quote: “Hmmm. I thought that’s what your life goal was

                  Unlike yourself, I try to understand my opponents’ ideas, so as better to articulate my own ideas, and hopefully persuade some people. I don’t set out, as you did, with the singular intention to attack attack attack. I mean, look at your replies, all of them are geared towards attacking. You don’t have any intention to understand a single bloody thing about Objectivism. Talking to a brick wall would be better than talking to you. The bottom line is that you’re just a bigot, because bigots are people who have their views and are intolerant and unwilling to listen to any other views.

                • Rshill7

                  You go ahead and understand the lies. I’ll stick with the truth. Not interested in being an expert on lies. I prefer truth.

                  I do notice that you have one arrow left in your quiver. The word “bigot”. It seems you’ve somehow mass-produced that last arrow and can therefore use it repeatedly. It falls way short of the target though, with each and every pull of the longbow.

                  You have neither wisdom nor eloquence. You’re a lightweight lie-lover. But…at least you love something…and what’s not to love about a lie? Maybe that lie will set you free, albeit at great cost to yourself and those who might depend on you. I would never depend on you.

                  Find another Foxhole. This one is taken.

                • If he’s like talking to a brick wall, why are you still bothering about it? Kordane, once in a while folks do find things to agree with you about but obviously not all people believe in Objectivism as passionately as you do. I’ll be the first to admit, I haven’t got a clue half the time what you’re even talking about, so I usually just breeze through most comments on it anymore.
                  Eventhough no one’s flagged any of your comments here, I’m getting pretty annoyed at the “bigot” name and you trying to tell folks what they think. People have listened and many times have responded to you yet because they don’t believe, you feel the need to keep pushing it. Go ahead and keep talking to the brick wall but don’t get so bent out of shape when folks don’t respond the way you’d like them to.

                • Kordane

                  I guess I’m bothering because I have some respect for the fact that he’s on the Right, and he at least deserves a chance at redemption through a slap to the face.

                  My issue with him isn’t that he doesn’t agree with Objectivism – It’s with how he attacks Objectivism without knowing a single bloody thing about it, and even when confronted about his ignorance, openly admits as much, yet still continues his attacks. I don’t mind attack dogs; I just don’t like ignorant attack dogs. The guy has absolutely no interest in knowing anything about Objectivism, all he knows is “Objectivism bad! Attack Objectivism! Attack!”

                  It’s a kind of mindless devotion to one’s views that I tend to see on the Left. That’s the only reason I’d ever use the “bigot” word on anyone.

                  I don’t expect people to accept Objectivism. It’s extremely hard for anyone to accept it. I merely come on here to offer intellectual ammunition to people who I think desperately need it in their fight against the statist menace. I offer links to videos and articles, and even arguments of my own, in the hope that people will use it against the Left. I don’t expect to come on here and face openly-ignorant attack dogs. I’ll happily take on informed criticisms, but when someone attacks without even knowing a single thing about what they’re attacking, then that’s a different matter entirely.

                  In respect to yourself, whose posts I often read, I shall stop talking to him.

                • Kordane

                  Quote: “You go ahead and understand the lies. I’ll stick with the truth. Not interested in being an expert on lies. I prefer truth.

                  You can’t know one without knowing the other. Truth and falsehood are not mutually exclusive.

                  For instance, if I knew the truth about what elements the moon is made from, I would therefore logically know everything that it is not made out of, eg. Not made of cheese.

                  Quite frankly, I don’t think you do prefer truth. I think you prefer to stick with your religious beliefs, and damn anything else as false. You have no genuine interest in the truth. If you did, then you’d be willing to at least investigate alternative views; you’d have an open mind.

                  Quote: “I do notice that you have one arrow left in your quiver. The word “bigot”.

                  I reserve that word for people who truly meet its requirements. It’s rare that I find someone on the Right who is so fanatical in their beliefs that they are unwilling to even investigate alternate viewpoints; instead preferring to attack out of sheer ignorance (and even proud of the fact). I tend to find such people on the Left, but there are the odd exceptions to the rule on the Right.

                • I’m responding here because I couldn’t on the other one.
                  Thanks. I don’t like seeing regular Scoop folks argue so much because it always gets heated after a while. You know Rshill’s way by now. He’s got bite, but he’s a good one. He’s passionate about a lot of things as well, as we all are. I don’t know enough about what his opinions are or not on this subject, but I do know he’s definitely not an ignorant person. He’s one of the most intelligent people I know here- and his unique way of saying things shows how creatively intelligent as well he is.
                  I don’t think anyone minds that you or me or anyone voices our opinions or even argue some about them as we all do that here every day, but most regulars already know your passion as well, so maybe just let it rest some. Which you said you’d do and I do appreciate that.
                  🙂 Thank you Kordane.

                • Rshill7

                  At the core of your philosophy is atheism. Anything that espouse atheism, espouses that everything came from nothing. I am very adept at discussing how nonsensical that concept is. It destroys your philosophy.

                  If your directions lead you to an abandoned field strewn with garbage, I am uninterested in those directions, because I already recognize the address at the end of your directions, and happen to know there is no IMAX Theater there…no edifice of any kind. I also know the ground has been salted so nothing can even grow there, only die there.

                  You have arrived at a wasteland, not a panacea. Keep your directions and your destination. They’re both junk. The other thing I do not need from you is ammunition of any kind for any reason. I care neither for dud fireworks or dud ammunition. All they do is fizzle and give the purchaser buyer’s remorse.

                  You ought Fire your ammunition…with a pink slip.

              • Kordane

                I would argue that this individual should seek out expert Objectivists (eg. Leonard Peikoff, Yaron Brook, Don Watkins) who can answer his technical questions. If you just rely on what he calls a “Moderate Randian”, then he’s not going to get the same quality of answer that he needs to get to fully answer his questions. From what I read, the guy is going into epistemology, and that’s pretty complex stuff. Anyone who has read the book “Introduction to Objectivist epistemology” will know what I’m talking about.

                There are wrong conclusions, such as the one Rshill7 mentions, where it’s concluded that Objectivists wouldn’t have children because it’s considered “altruistic” and therefore immoral to have children.

                Here is a podcast from Ayn Rand’s heir Leonard Peikoff, who addresses that very question:

                • Rshill7

                  “In advance of the 2006 elections, Peikoff recommended voting only for Democrats, to forestall what he sees is a rise in influence of the religious right, adding:”

                  “Given the choice between a rotten, enfeebled, despairing killer [Democrats], and a rotten, ever stronger, and ambitious killer [Republicans], it is immoral to vote for the latter, and equally immoral to refrain from voting at all because “both are bad.””

                  There you go. Follow his advice. Vote straight democrat ticket.

                • Kordane

                  You didn’t listen to a single bloody thing he said, did you? You just typed “Leonard Peikoff” into wikipedia, and then quoted the first thing you could use to attack with.

                  You just quote that stuff as if he was “self-evidently” wrong, without even considering that maybe he’s right about his criticism of the religious right. You obviously don’t accept that criticism, because you’re a religious fanatic who would happily live under a Christian theocracy if you could.

                  Also, Peikoff doesn’t tell Objectivists how to vote. That’s a decision that’s left up to each Objectivist. Personally, I vote Libertarian. If there was a Rand Paul / Allen West ticket, then I’d vote Republican next time around. Each to his own.

                • Rshill7

                  His admonition is to vote only for democrats. One might assume, some of his listeners or readers are also struggling Objectivists like yourself. Struggling with half-truths, tortured theories, and outright lies. No wonder Rand chose him as her heir.

                  Perhaps he’ll in turn, choose you.

                • Kordane

                  You’ve proven that you don’t know anything about Objectivism, that your only intention is to destroy, and yet you proclaim that Objectivism is “half-truths, tortured theories, and outright lies“.

                  The bottom line is that you don’t know what the hell you’re talking about, and furthermore, I don’t think you care to.

                • Rshill7

                  Not interested in being an expert on lies. I prefer truth.

                • Kordane

                  Quote: “Not interested in being an expert on lies. I prefer truth.

                  You mean you’re not interested in understanding what you’re attacking. Don’t you see how wrong that is? Don’t you see that you’re no better than Liberals who do exactly the same to the Right? Don’t you see that you can never call something “lies” until you understand what it is that you’re calling a lie? Don’t you see that there is no separation between knowing the what’s true and knowing what a lie; that to know one is to know the other?

                  You’re nothing but an attack dog. Anyone reading this discussion thread can see that.

                  You belittle yourself and your message. I pity you. You’re not how people on the Right should act.

                • Rshill7

                  OK, you can have the last word, (after these) + several affirmative action points. Don’t want you bleed out in public.

                  Atheism is a lie. The pitiful pillars of it are also lies. Whichever road you traversed to get to those lies, led you there, and whichever vehicle you used to travel it, no doubt needs a new suspension. My vehicle has a forever warranty and travels the sure road. Yours is a bucket of bolts.
                  As long as you continue to use faulty formulas, you’ll continue coming up with the wrong answers.

              • Harriet, sorry I have to reply here, because the comment you just made to me didn’t have a reply. You can e mail [email protected] that’s my e mail too, which is also the Party e mail, but all of it comes to me personally. Even if you’re not interested in the CFP, you can still feel free to e mail me there. 🙂

    • ChesterWalton

      I think Boenher will cave and take the deal that the pres offers – shrink entitlements, spending cuts and closed tax loopholes. Otherwise the GOP continues to be irrelevant and could lose the house in 2014.

      • OneThinDime

        The GOP keeps this up they will lose the House in 2014 because conservatives will stay home

  • marketcomp

    The RINOcrats are killing the Republican Party. How will we ever make gains when these stupid incompetent and ideologically absent Republicans. Boehner Cantor Ryan McCarthy, are still operating and continouslly give us power hungury and greedy people like Barack Obama? We may loose the House in 2014.

    • c4pfan

      I wouldn’t be surprised, if that happens.

  • deTocqueville1

    Great comments by Bridenstine. We need a lot more like him.

  • serfer62

    Has anyone considered that Boehner is a Kommiecrat plant?

    • NJK

      I believe he’s either a plant or he wants to be someone, even though he’s not fit for the position. People who care about the fate of their country would know their own limits, and resign if they’re not effective. John Boehner either cares more about the title or he’s evil. I’m not sure at this point, but either way, history will not remember him fondly.

      • c4pfan

        He likes the title and perks DC provides.

      • He’s not a “plant.”

        He just isn’t much smarter than a cotton plant.

    • I don’t believe that. Boehner is like many that is caving under pressure. From where he is sitting taxes have to go up because of deficit and debt but he can’t see that from where WE are sitting the government has spent too much and we won’t be penalized any more for it…especially since we were against the spending in the first place. Republicans have compromised themselves into a corner and there is no getting out of it. Taxes are going to increase dramatically and Republicans will see decades of wilderness because of it.

      • serfer62

        So with a multitrillon budget there is nothing to cut?
        Are you out of your mind?

        • c4pfan
        • That is not what I said. I personally think there is tons to cut!!

          I am stating that from the politician’s POV and Boehner’s that cutting is not enough. You will continue to hear the drum beat of ‘tax hikes with cuts’. We say “cut, cut’ cut” but I guarantee you the mechanics of that are not so simple and in some cases so tangled up in other things (things that belong to states IMO) that it would take way too much time to disentangle when in the mean time the debt clock is ticking upward. It is a daunting task and I just don’t think any of the Republican leadership in the House is up to it, not just Boehner…ALL OF THEM. They are fighting a three front war. Never easy and rarely won.

          Read that again. It is a response to your thinking and labeling of “Kommiecrat’ which is less than productive or even helpful.

          P.S. As you make your less than helpful proclamations you also have no idea who is calling those congressional offices, what they are saying, how much they donate, etc. You are not the only one applying pressure and your pressure is not great enough. You have other people with other interests to compete with. Don’t forget the lobbyists as well. And before you attack they are guaranteed a right to lobby as are you and they also vote their own interests.

  • Bridenstine categorized and summarized that exactly right.

  • HarrietHT2

    “If everything you do is what the president wants, then there is no compromise.”

    It would have been better had he said, “If everything you do is what the president wants, then you have a dictatorship.”

    • Too true… Might as well raised his right arm and proclaimed “Seig Heil”! 🙁

      • OneThinDime

        Must use left hand to match the dictator and not simulate the Nazis 🙂

    • c4pfan

      Yeah, that’s what we basically are now.

  • aposematic

    Democrats never compromise their Marxism; they just wait for their slander/libel and the MSM/Press backup to goad the Republicans into caving and call that compromise/bipartisanship.

  • Sober_Thinking

    The Republican “leadership” (cough) is flaccid, ineffectual, and weak.

    They are like water and try to take the path of least resistance – and like water, they are easily redirected and they spill over from time to time.

    I have no faith in this current GOP leadership.

  • c4pfan
  • FreeManWalking

    The reason I don’t think conservatives have a chance of taking over the GOP, and am all for going 3rd party now is because there were only 12 Republicans that didn’t vote for Boehner for Speaker.

  • OneThinDime

    Hehehehehehehehe About those Medicare cuts that Obama denied, well the election is over and they have their scissors out to fund ObamaCare!

  • repubboy

    Gutless Wonders.. Bohener and the boy’s, oops ! I mean the Eunuchs will cave. They have no choice they don’t want the people to hate them.. They prize popularity over fiscal responsibility ! That s why we need to cleanse the place.. Get rid of the ruling class of the GOP.!

  • sickandtired

    The GOP caves in because they always secretly agree with his policies.

    We have no conservative representation!

  • The representative says “Republicans caving too much.” There’s help – I understand plastic surgeons can tighten vaginas.