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In part 2 of his interview on the BillO show, Rubio explains his vision to solve the illegal immigration issue we have in this country, to deal with 8-12 million illegals already here. Here’s a quick summary of his plan:

All illegals who have committed a crime should be deported. Otherwise, the current illegals in this country should come forward and be fingerprinted with a background check for national security reasons, they must know English and must already be assimilated. If they pass these conditions, they get a non-permanent work visa which allows them to work in this country but does not allow them to qualify for any benefits like welfare, social security, etc.

Then after a significant period of time with no violations, they can then apply for a green card through our existing legal immigration system, getting in the back of the line like everyone else. Once they’ve received their green card, they must wait another 5 years before they can apply for citizenship.

Watch the full interview below:

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  • c4pfan

    I have a question. What’s different from this plan from GW Bush’s?

    Last time I checked, coming here illegally is a crime.

    Also, good luck in getting where the illegals go to enforce these laws. In Colorado, the people that busted people using fake social security numbers for tax money got in trouble and not the illegals or the people helping the illegals file for the tax money!

    • BeyondPolls

      You seriously don’t like Rubio’s proposal?

      • sDee

        What does it accomplish that current immigration law does not require other than fingerprinting?

        They could go back to their home country and apply for a visa today and later a green card if they like.

        • BeyondPolls

          Why don’t you want new immigrants to come to America? I think this is sad.

          • Rshill7

            Kleenex makes a fairly decent product to deal with that. Get the extra large box.

            • BeyondPolls

              Good grief. The Republican Party really is dying.

              • Rshill7

                Better get two boxes and a thirsty towel.

                • BeyondPolls

                  If Republicans don’t stop these attitudes about immigration, then we can’t call ourselves American anymore.

                • Rshill7

                  You seem to be equating immigration with sneaking across the the border illegally. There’s a difference.

                • BeyondPolls

                  There is a difference. Sneaking across the border is illegal, but maybe instead of wasting time transporting people back and forth across the border, we should make some more legal entrances.
                  But Rubio’s path to citizenship is what I really care about.

                • Rshill7

                  The rule of Constitutional law is what I care about. This Government seems to like “solutions” that exacerbate the very problems they purport to solve.

                • BeyondPolls

                  Rubio’s plan is basically the government getting out of its own way.

                • keyesforpres

                  We already allow a million or more folks to into this country legally every year. More than all other countries combined. It’s time to end mass legal immigration too.

                • BeyondPolls

                  We still need a better path to citizenship.

                • keyesforpres

                  What do you mean we need a better path to citizenship? You mean anyone with a Spanish surname that sneaks into our country should be given citizenship?

                • BeyondPolls

                  People shouldn’t have to have a lawyer in order to become a citizen. I think Rubio’s plan is very reasonable.

                • tvlgds

                  Republicans and Conservatives (not the same, btw) are fine with LEGAL immigration. What we’re not fine with is illegals coming here and sucking American citizens dry. There should be no welfare, no handouts, nothing. Check out Mexico’s immigration laws, and they DO enforce theirs, but they teach their deadbeats how to scam Americans.

                • BeyondPolls

                  Rubio’s plan is about reforming legal immigration. Enforcing current immigration laws will come down to the administration. Which is why Rubio is putting himself out there to be a leader in our party.

                • keyesforpres

                  No it isn’t. He’s wanting to reward ILLEGAL criminals.

                • BeyondPolls

                  That’s not what he said at all.

                • keyesforpres

                  He wants to give illegals citizenship. That is rewarding illegal alien invaders.

                • BeyondPolls

                  No, it rewards undocumented people who are hard workers, not illegal criminals.

                • http://profile.yahoo.com/44F4AB4VSCTOCHBMBG4ZWWD5OU Laurel

                  Are you being emotional? Americans believe in the rule of law. There is no attitude about immigration other than reform and enforce existing laws.

                  It doesn’t help that people come here illegally then partake of entitlements that they really aren’t entitled to. That makes them parasites. No one likes parasites.

                • BeyondPolls

                  Rubio’s plan is reform and if he were President, he would enforce the existing laws.

                • http://profile.yahoo.com/44F4AB4VSCTOCHBMBG4ZWWD5OU Laurel

                  Are you a Rubio shill? How do you know what his plan is? Do you have a detailed written copy of it?

                  Something about you doesn’t pass the smell test.

                  This contradicts your post to me: “We already have those types of laws. They just need to be enforced. Rubio has an excellent plan regarding reforming our path to citizenship.”

                  Which is it?

                • BeyondPolls

                  He just explained it in the video.

                • keyesforpres

                  Rubio does NOT have natural born status and can NOT be president. Let me guess, you know someone who is here illegally? You have a Spanish surname and that trumps being an American?

                • BeyondPolls

                  Since when is he not natural born?

                • keyesforpres

                  Rubio’s parents were not US citizens at the time of his birth…therefore they could not (naturally) pass US citizenship to him at birth.

                • BeyondPolls

                  I don’t know where you get this info.

                • MLCBLOG

                  What?

                • BeyondPolls

                  We need to stop harping on deporting all immigrants. The better thing to push for is to allow the federal govt to detain violent illegals.

                • keyesforpres

                  Illegals aren’t immigrants. They are ALL criminals and most have stolen a soc. security number to work.

                • BeyondPolls

                  You can’t paint everybody with the same brush. Both Republicans and Democrats do this when it comes to the immigration issue.

                • keyesforpres

                  We most certainly can paint ALL illegals with the same broad brush….they broke into our country.

                • BeyondPolls

                  Do you or do you not support a law which allows the federal government to detain violent non-citizens?

          • notsofastthere

            I believe it’s ILLEGAL immigrants we don’t want.

            • BeyondPolls

              We already have those types of laws. They just need to be enforced. Rubio has an excellent plan regarding reforming our path to citizenship.

              • http://profile.yahoo.com/44F4AB4VSCTOCHBMBG4ZWWD5OU Laurel

                No he gave an over view of it in the video. He gave no specific expressed details of it.

                I WANT DETAILS.

                People like you that automatically glom on to every single thing a politician says because you are a fan are the one’s that fall the hardest and get hurt the most. then because of that there is no reasoning with you.

                I’m glad Rubio is putting forth a plan and not letting Obama steal the stage but I want more details than just what he says on O’Reilly and any sane voter would want the same.

                • BeyondPolls

                  I’m pretty sure he released the entire proposal on the internet. I’ll see what I can find.

                • http://profile.yahoo.com/44F4AB4VSCTOCHBMBG4ZWWD5OU Laurel

                  Thank you.

                • Orangeone

                  Laurel, re-read the post you replied to: “Rubio has an excellent plan regarding reforming OUR path to citizenship” Me thinks BeyondPolls is an illegal alien and has been drawing public welfare and voting.

                • http://profile.yahoo.com/44F4AB4VSCTOCHBMBG4ZWWD5OU Laurel

                  Orangeone I don’t know that and neither do you.
                  What I do know is I have as yet to see link as promised which tells me all I need to know. I will not blindly support Marco Rubio without seeing a plan. Republicans are getting just as bad as progressives about these celebutard romances with politicians.

                  I will tell all of you start having hissy fits right now and get it out of your system because like it or not some type of amnesty is going to happen. People are not going to be shipped in cattle cars back to Mexico or anywhere else.

                • Orangeone

                  This country will NEVER do another illegal amnesty. The last one was a horrific failure and has lead to 12 million + more illegals in this country and a wide open border, not the sealed border and e-Verify system that was part of the amnesty legislation.  Fighting to uphold our Constitution and our federal immigration laws is not having a hissy fit.  With all respect, we know where 5.2 million of them are, round them up and return them to sender! http://dailycaller.com/2013/01/15/fbi-has-5216732-illegal-alien-records-in-gun-background-check-system/
                  We also need MUCH MORE STRINGENT background checks, fingerprints, DNA and those fingerprints and DNA run against ALL unsolved crimes nationally before anyone can legally immigrate.

                • http://profile.yahoo.com/44F4AB4VSCTOCHBMBG4ZWWD5OU Laurel

                  I didn’t say I like but I am telling you it is going to happen and all of the foot stomping in the world isn’t going to change that. Obama’s EO’s giving amnesty were to open the doors to that very thing. I guarantee you the parents of all of those ‘children’ won’t be deported. Count on it. That is how politics, not governance, works.

                  And open your eyes…THERE IS A HELLUVA LOT MORE THAN 12.5 MILLION HERE. And let’s face facts when people refer to that number they think Latinos. We have people here from all over the world illegally. But if you are going to refer to Latinos realize that 12.5 million in a nation of 310 million people is a drop of water in a 5 gallon bucket. You don’t notice that single drop of water.

                  Well look around because illegals are quite noticeable so logic dictates there is a lot more than 12 million.

                • Orangeone

                  Laurel, amnesty bills have been introduced many times and have failed. And at no time did the US have the high rate of unemployment for a long period of time. Those 23 million unemployed also have voices.  Polls are clear, over 75% want them deported and these little elected officials will face us again very, very soon.
                  Our Congress will finally take on the illegal EOs and the illegal alien amnesty will hopefully be in that lawsuit.  The pos has no authority to do what he did. And yes I know there are more than Mexican illegals here, there are communist from Cuba, mooooslims that came through Mexico and even people from Europe. I happen to live in a state with 2 very large sanctuary cities and it is costing us over $774 million annually.  People are fed up with it.  And parents with anchor babies are deported daily, certainly not to the levels they should be but yes they are being deported.

                • http://profile.yahoo.com/44F4AB4VSCTOCHBMBG4ZWWD5OU Laurel

                  Wanna bet?

                  Politicians are running in fear because a man won the WH for a second time that should have been trounced. That sends a message to politicians about what people want. A much louder message. Furthermore with leftist in charge of the media no one is going to want to be demonized on the boob tube, in print, in campaign ads night after night about how heartless they are.

                  These guys couldn’t stand up on the falsely created fiscal cliff, or the debt ceiling. They aren’t going to stand up against amnesty. They might moderate it but that is all.

                  BOHICA!

                • Orangeone

                  You might check the net, there are several willing to initiate impeachment proceedings and there is at least one bill in the House already doing so. The first lawsuit against the wanna-be-king has also been filed.  Now that he has acted in an illegal, arbitrary and capricious manner, taxpayers may also sue because we have been harmed. The case is now ripe! And ObamaCare is falling apart as well with more than 50% of the states telling the feds to shove the exchange, Barky is in full panic mode, actually back to his campaign mode.  The power of the people is true.  Either join us or please move out of the way.  Oh, and what about those white hostages????? Crickets.  Benghazi hearing next week, Fast and Furious hearings to continue.  The wanna-be-king is defeated.

                • http://profile.yahoo.com/44F4AB4VSCTOCHBMBG4ZWWD5OU Laurel

                  Time will tell.

                  None of the other things you listed has a thing to do with the topic at hand which is illegal immigration.

                  And don’t give me that ‘with us or against us’ emotional pablum. I am simply stating that amnesty in some form will come to pass, and I didn’t state I liked it. We are not going to deport millions of illegals in cattle cars. The whole thing will be made out to look like the internement camps Japanese were thrown into during WWII…DEPSPITE THE FACT THAT WE DID CATCH SPIES AS WELL AS GERMANS AND ITALIAN SPIES. But history sided against that didn’t it?!

                  Well it doesn’t take much to see that history will side against deportation. Besides we have been down this road before with the influx of Chinese in California late 19th and early 20th century.

                  Initiating impeachment and actually achieving it is quite two different things…and the politics of that could be more harmful than helpful as well. Be aware of that. Politics has a way of fostering Pyrrhic victories.

                • MLCBLOG

                  I think Beyond Polls is an alien all right, from another planet. Seems to be toying with us, changing up.

              • keyesforpres

                Then let’s enforce the laws. Giving illegals a path to citizenship is not enforcing our laws….that’s amnesty….rewarding illegals crime of sneaking into our country.

                • BeyondPolls

                  Your views are outdated and archaic.

                • keyesforpres

                  You just want us to give any criminal that invades citizenship. You are wanting to do away with our sovereignty. Even God is clear about nations and respecting the laws of nations in the Bible.

                • Orangeone

                  Keyes, read up a bit, I think BeyondPolls is an illegal alien.

                • keyesforpres

                  Most likely or he/she came legally and is sneaking family members in illegally. Many that come here legally from Mexico and other places do that all the time.

                • Orangeone

                  Just sick.  I want our veterans guarding our borders!

                • BeyondPolls

                  That’s not what I said at all. That’s not what Rubio said at all. Until Republicans stop constantly harping on the illegal criminals, we’re never going to win on this issue.

                • PatrickHenrysBody

                  Enforcing our country’s laws is outdated and archaic. Hmmm…interesting. That is what criminals in our country have been saying for decades. Just ask the Mafia, they’d agree with you.

                • BeyondPolls

                  No, I meant his weird idea about never letting anybody legally immigrate is outdated.

              • PatrickHenrysBody

                Reforming “our” path? I hope that is a typo. Don’t you mean reforming “their” path? By saying “our”, it makes it sound like you are in this country illegally.

                • BeyondPolls

                  By ‘our path’, I mean ‘the American path’, but I guess ‘their path’ would work too.

                • PatrickHenrysBody

                  Fair enough.

          • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

            There’s no one here who is against immigration BeyondPolls- but it’s got to be done the legal way. This country has laws which must be followed. Millions have followed. Those who do not, are lawbreakers.
            If something is worth having, it’s worth working for. It’s a slap in the faces of those who work to come here the proper way, following the laws.

            • BeyondPolls

              I agree. That’s what Rubio is proposing.

              • sDee

                Except for fingerprinting, Rubio is proposing nothing that cannot be done under current immigration law and policy. It is disingenuous. The government simply does not enforce it. It selectively leaves our borders open, does not prosecute people who overstay visas and fials to enforce criminal and immigration law.

                It is a set up by the elephants to try and outplay the players. In the end the marxists/progressives always get the disaffected vote by making them dependent on the government with free stuff.

                • http://profile.yahoo.com/44F4AB4VSCTOCHBMBG4ZWWD5OU Laurel

                  Actually that is not correct. There are a lot of holes in immigration law and the processing of immigrants both legal and illegal.

                  For example: My nephew in law immigrated legally from GB four years ago. He and my niece payed thousands of dollars to US government and lawyers to immigrate. They even had to change their wedding date so an immigration official could attend. Yes the govt. demanded that! He has been way past the date he was supposed to get a green card to work. Three years past to be exact. You know what immigration’s answer to him is on that?

                  “We will get to it when we get to it. We are back logged and behind.”

                  This young man is in his 20’s and the best resume building working years are passing him by.

                  BTW..he and my niece now have an 18 month old daughter.

                  Now this an answer that is just the tip of the iceberg in dealing with immigration. Everyone knows dealing with any government entity and red tape is a nightmare so don’t think immigration is any different and not in need of reform.

                • keyesforpres

                  Just because someone applies to come here does not mean they necessarily get in. There seems to be this mindset that if one applies to come here they automatically get to come here.

                • http://profile.yahoo.com/44F4AB4VSCTOCHBMBG4ZWWD5OU Laurel

                  What in the hell are you talking about? He is here and has been for four years…LEGALLY. Government workers…let that sink in….ya know like the damn DMV…let that sink in…are taking their time processing his legal paperwork and rights THAT WERE BOUGHT AND PAID FOR AND LEGALLY ACQUIRED THROUGH THE IMMIGRATION PROCESS.

                  He now has an 18 month old daughter WHO IS AN AMERICAN CITIZEN. In short it’s a government screw up from A to Z.

                  Got it?

                • keyesforpres

                  Don’t get nasty Laurel.

                  How come he didn’t have to get a Green card before coming here?

                  Of course it takes forever since the whole world wants to come here. Of course, O and his goons don’t want educate Brits coming…only Third World will do.

                  By the way, it is true…there is the mindset that if one applies to come here they should be allowed to come here. Not saying that is the case with your nephew in law, but is the case with many. By the way, what type of visa did he come here on?

                • http://boogieforward.us/ K-Bob

                  “We will get to it when we get to it. We are back logged and behind.”

                  If he had an AR-15 I’ll bet they could get to that reeeel fast.

                • http://profile.yahoo.com/44F4AB4VSCTOCHBMBG4ZWWD5OU Laurel

                  Exactly. Only those breaking the law or perceived to break the law get the attention. I guess the squeaky wheel does indeed get the grease.

                • keyesforpres

                  What type of visa did your nephew in law come here on?

                • BeyondPolls

                  Well, it’s a step to show that the Republicans have a solution and a leader.

              • keyesforpres

                No he’s not. He wants to give amnesty those who came here illegally.

                • BeyondPolls

                  That’s a falsehood.

                • keyesforpres

                  You just blathered that he wants to give them a pathway to for citizenship…amnesty.

                  Hey, by the way..who’s on first?

                • Orangeone

                  Me thinks BeyondPolls is an illegal…..

                • keyesforpres

                  Yes, I agree. His/her attitude shows why this invasion is so dangerous. They have no gratitude toward this nation and no “just being grateful they got away with it”. No, they got away with it so they beleive every other Hispanic should get away with it.

                • Orangeone

                  Exactly.  Well there just might be a little surprise coming….

                • BeyondPolls

                  Why don’t you want new citizens in America who are hard workers?

                • keyesforpres

                  Americans need the jobs and those illegals vote for Marxism. Many are on welfare and many are raping, murdering and driving drunk. I have met a number of people who have lost loved ones to illegals.

                  About 25% of our prison population is illegals.

                • BeyondPolls

                  Then the federal government should have the power to detain violent non-citizens.

                • http://profile.yahoo.com/44F4AB4VSCTOCHBMBG4ZWWD5OU Laurel

                  You are a moron. You sit here and wax poetic like you know everything there is to know about immigration and you don’t know that there are different levels and types and classifications of immigration.

                  Also you don’t get the green card first stupid. No one does.

                  It is you who is a nasty ugly angry American that gives this country a black eye. You are an embarrassment.

                • keyesforpres

                  You are really acting like the b word Laurel. Your nastiness makes it come across that he came here illegally. So you are saying he just showed up here with NO visa and then applied for a Green card? You do have to come here on a valid work visa to work here.

                  Now, what type of visa did he come here on? You start with the name calling again and I will know for sure he came here illegally.

                • http://profile.yahoo.com/44F4AB4VSCTOCHBMBG4ZWWD5OU Laurel

                  Shut up with your inane stupidity. I have zero patience for it nor will I tolerate it. If you can’t read and comprehend simple English then do us all a favor and quit blogging and for goodness sake don’t vote since you have no grasp of the issues.

                  ONCE AGAIN HE DID NOT COME HERE ILLEGALLY. HE IMMIGRATED LEGALLY TO GET MARRIED.

                  And you flaming hypocrite don’t complain about name calling when you call names yourself. What is this: “You are really acting like the b word Laurel. ”

                  Now I don’t know exactly what type of visa that is called since there are quite a few different types. However thousands of dollars were paid to federal government over the course of three years as well as to attorneys to be here legally! The waiting period after marriage for a green card is supposed to be one year only!

                  SHEESH!

                  Perhaps you should accept that you don’t know all there is to know about immigration.

                • keyesforpres

                  Read through the comments. YOU started with the name calling.

                  You know what I thought your response would be when I said too many people think if they apply to come here they think they should be allowed to come here would be? I thought you’d say, “You’re right, too many people do believe that, but my nephew in law is not one of them. He came here on a such and such visa, etc”. But no, you got nasty. I never said he came illegally. I asked what type of visa he came here on. You can’t just come here to get married. You have to come on some type of visa.

                  I’m with Ayn Rand, “HONEST PEOPLE ARE NEVER TOUCHY ABOUT THE SUBJECT OF BEING TRUSTED”. No one acts the way you do if nothing illegal has been done. You aren’t doing your nephew in law any favors with your nasitness.

                  Quit acting like a lefty. It’s VERY unbecoming.

                • http://profile.yahoo.com/44F4AB4VSCTOCHBMBG4ZWWD5OU Laurel

                  Read your own damn response and stop responding to me with idiocy. Furthermore who in the hell do you think you to tell people how to respond?!

                  And NO! I didn’t call names but what is it with the juvenile delinquent brain dead fools here at this site that feel the need to pull that BS out every time they get spanked?! There is a cabal of them here because they suffer from arrested development. I will add you to the list of them and ignore you in the future since it is apparent you don’t have enough of an IQ to debate me. No I’m not calling you a name…I’m putting a label to your idiocy. And Yes you can come here to get married. You seem to think you are an expert in immigration when in reality what you know would fit on the head of a pin.

                  YOU HAVE NOTHING ELSE AND YOU ARE A BLITHERING IDIOT IF YOU THINK THE GOVERNMENT IS INFALLIBLE AND THAT OUR IMMIGRATION SYSTEM ISN’T BROKEN. ENFORCEMENT IS ONLY A SMALL PART OF THE PROBLEM.

                  And if you are with Ayn Rand …great. Says a lot. She was a degenerate atheist moral relativist so that tells me all I need to know about an idiot like you that calls people a b*tch because they got nothing.

                  Oh and once again a moral relativist pulls the ‘liberal’ card because he is so weak in his argument. Like I have never heard that BS before either. Since you seem to want to wallow in that kind of stupidity here is my response to progressive nut jobs like you: SHUT UP STUPID.

                  Now go do some much needed home work on immigration because you are abysmally ignorant (look the word up if you don’t know it). And yeah I did help my nephew in law. I went to a very conservative congressman who is working on the problem.

                  I was going to pose a few scenarios to you that would show why people can and do come here to get married but you are a complete and total waste of time. Your arrested development is more concerned with being right all of the time than actually learning something. Your ego would rival Obama’s accept he has actually accomplished more to earn his than you, and considering he has done little in his life that is saying something.

              • Orangeone

                Rubio is looking to give illegal aliens amnesty. We The People are looking to gather them up and dumb them back across the border. Illegal is illegal. Mexico would throw you into prison for entering their country illegally.

                • BeyondPolls

                  So you want to deport hard workers who has never committed violent crimes and wait for them to come back the next day? That will encourage them to commit violent crimes.

                • Orangeone

                  Being in the USA illegally is a daily felony. Failing to file income tax returns and pay state, local and federal taxes are felonies.  What part of that don’t you understand?  And btw, I don’t give a rip what the conditions are in their originating country.  They have the opportunity to solve the problems in their own country just like we did in the US. No free handouts.  Bye-bye. Our country is for our citizens to have our jobs to make our wages to buy our food and to keep the money in our country not to filter it back to Mexico which further hurts our country because it is not re-spent here.

                • BeyondPolls

                  I think you’re assuming that ever undocumented worker came here illegally. Of course, the criminals did.
                  I’m against handouts as well. Immigrants can prove themselves through work.

                • Orangeone

                  They ARE NOT immigrants, they are illegal aliens and FELONS

                • BeyondPolls

                  Who is?

                • keyesforpres

                  If all it takes for someone to get violent is a country enforcing their laws, than that just shows that that person was a bad person all along.

                • BeyondPolls

                  I think you’re looking at the situation from the wrong angle.

                • keyesforpres

                  I know you are.

                • BeyondPolls

                  How do you think I’m looking at the situation?

          • aposematic

            I’m confused; what part of illegal do you not understand. Typical Leftist deflection and deception–put the onus onto a falsehood. No Conservative is against immigration…period.

            • BeyondPolls

              Well, my original point had nothing to do with illegal immigration. As usual, Republicans always have the answers but we hardly ever win the argument because we never frame the argument properly. We talk way too much about illegal immigrants (criminals) and don’t talk near enough about the kind of stuff Rubio has put forth.

              • keyesforpres

                What are you talking about? Rubio wants to give illegals legal status.

                • BeyondPolls

                  Watch the video again, silly.

                • keyesforpres

                  Pathway to citizenship.

                  The right thing to do is to deport them.

                • BeyondPolls

                  Deporting hard workers is stupid.

                • keyesforpres

                  Not when our unemployment is in double digits.

                  By the way, our complex is having work done and they are illegals and they are HORRIBLE. Causing all kinds of internal damage. The idiots don’t know how to remove bricks without causing serious internal damage. They bash against the wall instead of pulling things off.

                • BeyondPolls

                  Then they shouldn’t be able to become citizens based on work merits.

              • Orangeone

                BTW, what part of 23 million unemployed do you not understand? We need to seal the borders and prohibit illegal immigration always with armed veterans on our borders and greatly restrict LEGAL immigration for a decade or two.

                • BeyondPolls

                  Restricting immigration is an extremely un-American thing to do.

                • Orangeone

                  Cry me a river.  And this is not restricting immigration, it is enforcing our laws.

                • BeyondPolls

                  But you said we needed a decade off of immigration, which was a very offensive thing to say.

                • Orangeone

                  Poor baby go ask Mexico if they want you back.

                • keyesforpres

                  No it isn’t. We are full. We don’t need mass immigration anymore.

                • BeyondPolls

                  I don’t think that’s your decision to make. I understand that you have a very jaded view of all immigrants right now, so I understand now why you are saying these things.

          • aposematic

            Give CNN a call. Tey may be looking for a Piers Morgan replacement…

            • BeyondPolls

              I would do it, but I doubt they’d like my lack of television experience, lol.

          • sDee

            Go else where with the false arguments and strawmen . It is amateurish and disingenuous. Nothing is stopping legal immigration today except for people like you.

            I am a first generation American. I have sponsored immigrants and am currently working on more. Legally.

            Legal immigration is a shambles because of misinformation like yours coupled with an open borders policy that is making slaves out of illegals to serve the elites and politcal football – it is creating tremendous problems than many generations will pay for.

            You are a troll who cares about nothing except propaganda and misinformation.

            • http://profile.yahoo.com/44F4AB4VSCTOCHBMBG4ZWWD5OU Laurel

              Legal immigration is in a shambles because it is run by the government.

            • BeyondPolls

              Nothing is stopping legal immigration except having to go to court to become a citizen. This is what Rubio wants to change.
              I’m excited that you immigrated legally. But I don’t have an open borders policy. Neither do I have a fence policy. There is balance to be found.

              • Orangeone

                Oh I think I get it. You want Mexicans to freely come and go in and out of our country. Question for you. Do you have locked doors on your house to keep people out or to keep people in?

                • BeyondPolls

                  No. I want people who work hard and who have never committed violent crimes to be rewarded.

                • Orangeone

                  Back in their own country and please go with them. Clearly you are an illegal alien and need to be part of the round-up.  You likely harbour them as well.  Bye-bye!

                • BeyondPolls

                  This is quite a change from the way you used to treat me. I was born legally in this country. BTW, I think we should change the anchor baby clause as well.

                • Orangeone

                  Death penalty for all illegal aliens and their anchor babies can be dropped at the border of their parent’s country.

                • BeyondPolls

                  So we should amend the 14th Amendment and allow the federal govt to detain violent illegals.

                • keyesforpres

                  There is no anchor baby clause. The 14th amendment does not give illegals citizenship. It gave freed slaves citizenship. Period.

                  See: Congressional Globe of 1866.

                • BeyondPolls

                  The 14th Amendment allows children born on US soil to automatically become citizens. I think this was an unintended consequence that should be amended.

          • keyesforpres

            Illegals aren’t immigrants.

            • BeyondPolls

              Say what?

              • keyesforpres

                Illegals are invaders. An immigrant is someone who follows the laws to enter a country legally. Illegals are alien invaders.

                • BeyondPolls

                  I have no problem with undocumented people who are hard workers and have never committed violent crime.

                • keyesforpres

                  Illegals have documents out the wazoo. Most are using a stolen soc. sec. number.

                  Many are violent criminals.

                • BeyondPolls

                  We should have the power to detain violent non-citizens.

          • PatrickHenrysBody

            I agree with you. Expunge and/or repeal all immigration law so that we cold-hearted Americans can show the world we really are a tolerant, compassionate country.* Our immigration laws have never worked. Illegals get here anyway. The Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 was passed with bipartisan support during the Reagan years. It was supposed to regulate illegal immigration even more and granted amnesty to illegals already in the country at the time. Did that work? No!

            http://www.lasvegastribune.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2236:would-ronald-reagan-make-the-same-mistake-twice-when-it-comes-to-amnesty-for-aliens&catid=185:rita-bonilla&Itemid=282

            I say let all the illegals come in! Without any laws against a foreign national just entering the country any time he or she wants to, the country will be better off, no matter the drain on the country’s economy and the danger it may present.*

            * – (/sarc)

            • BeyondPolls

              That’s not what I said at all. Listen to Rubio’s plan again because that is absolutely not what he said.

              • PatrickHenrysBody

                My point being that blanket amnesty has been done before by a President who was considered a conservative. If that was done for votes on the Republican side, it did not work. Amnesty has not worked. Now we are back at square one. We keep on allowing illegal entry into our country and then wait until there are so many in the country that we are going through the same vicious cycle of the 1980s. We don’t need any more laws regarding immigration. We need more enforcement of existing laws. You enter this country illegally, you get deported immediately, period. You get the same people entering the country illegally again and again, they get deported again and again. You enter this country through the legal entry points and are granted entry, fine. Then you must go through the channels provided by existing law, in order to gain legal status in the U.S.

          • MLCBLOG

            We want LEGAL immigrants who will have respect in general.

            • BeyondPolls

              Yes, this is what Rubio’s plan is about.

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/44F4AB4VSCTOCHBMBG4ZWWD5OU Laurel

          Actually sDee current immigration policy and bureaucracy is a nightmare. This does give it some reform. It is massively expensive to immigrate the bureaucratic nightmare that goes with it makes it of little wonder that poor people come up with thousands of dollars and risk their lives via a coyote in the desert rather than go through proper channels. “Give us your tired, your hungry, your poor” is a myth. Immigration standards want the wealthy.

          Does this give it enough reform?

          I don’t know. The devil is in the details. However to say immigration laws are adequate is a misnomer at best.

          • keyesforpres

            Laurel, for the past 45 years we have favored third world poor. We offer unlimited agriculture visas. There is no reason to come here illegally, unless one could not pass the criminal background check or medical screening.

            When you reward criminal behavior you get more of it.

            Why should it be easy to immigrate here anyway? We should be looking out for Americans and quit worrying about it being convenient for foreigners to immigrate here.

            Lots of dangerous people are coming here legally and illegally.Many illegals are in gangs and the Mexican drug cartels. Legalizing them would be disastrous. There is no way to do background checks on these guys.
            We need to do what Eisenhower did in 1953. It was called Operation Wetback. We had around 3 million illegals here then. For three months he agressively deported a thousand illegals per day (including their children born here,as they are not US citizens), put them on a steamer to Veracruz… and guess what? Most self deported.

            • Orangeone

              Sweet Keyes, did not know that piece of history, thanks for sharing. I’ll been referring to it as Doing A Booker. Cory Booker wants neighbors to nark if they have guns. I say lets reward law-abiding citizens for turning in the criminal illegal aliens. We are already rewarded for reporting tax evasion and illegal aliens cost us more and are also tax evaders.

              • keyesforpres

                LOL, don’t you just love the name of the operation? So politically incorrect! Hee! Hee!

                • Orangeone

                  Well maybe it has a dual purpose…..

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IQIGXRVWW5XRETNV25R4FATCOM ssenecal5000

        Once they are fingerprinted the illegal status changes to “resident”
        even if Rubio doesnt want it too

        I have a plan, it involves the home countries of the illegals. We should be putting pressure on their countries to call their citizens home, and make it possible for them to come home.
        Why is it on us to support the citizens of other countries? We should demand repayment from these other countries for the costs of education and welfare for their people. Once we do that, watch the fence on the other side go up!
        Once the services are no longer “free” on the back of Americans, most of the illegals will go home in a hurry. They are only here because of the free ride, not for their love of lawn care or American agriculture or being a nanny for rich white liberals.

        • BeyondPolls

          We want more people to come to America. We don’t want people to be stranded outside the country.
          We don’t have to support them. They can support themselves. That’s the American dream.

          • keyesforpres

            Why do you want more people to come to America? Not enough of that third world Marxist invasion for ya yet?

            • BeyondPolls

              That’s a racist statement.

              • keyesforpres

                Marxism is a race??

                • BeyondPolls

                  Forget what I said.

          • Orangeone

            Take your version of the american dream back to your country of origin. It has NEVER been the vision of this country for people to enter and remain illegally. They are ALL felons and will be found, will be returned to sender. It might not be under Barky Boy but the Repubs will take the Senate in 2014 and the WH in 2016 and it will be a priority to round up and deport illegals. Your amnesty dreamer Rubio will never be president.

            • BeyondPolls

              Did you watch the video?

              • Orangeone

                I don’t give a flip what Rubio says.  He will never be president, his plan will never see the light of day.  We have our own plan, a Cory Booker type bounty on illegals. That will stimulate our economy and rid us of the freeloader illegals.

                • BeyondPolls

                  Bounty hunting? Help us all.

                • Orangeone

                  The country financially rewards tax evaders so time to expand it to include all the illegal aliens and their anchor babies.

                • BeyondPolls

                  Huh?

      • keyesforpres

        It’s rewarding illegals breaking and entering. It will just encourage more illegal immigration.

        • BeyondPolls

          Doubtful.

          • keyesforpres

            LOL…you must be a communist that just loves the Marxist invasion.

            • BeyondPolls

              Now you’re putting words in my mouth.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/44F4AB4VSCTOCHBMBG4ZWWD5OU Laurel

      One difference is Dubya wasn’t going to deport criminals. That is why I was part of the bombardment to kill that bill.

    • http://www.facebook.com/LeeBDixon Lee B Dixon

      Forward! If a Democrat can’t get it done, get a RINO to do it!

      Rubio-Obama immigration plan? Senator’s proposal looks like White House policy
      Sen. Marco Rubio’s immigration plan earned a measure of praise from the White House. And why not? It looks a lot like a White House plan from 2011.
      Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/01/16/3185077/rubio-obama-immigration-plan-senators.html#storylink=cpy

    • MLCBLOG

      That is what was said in the first paragraph. Did you read before you started writing? but your second paragraph sadly sounds true.

  • Sandra123456

    No instant citizenship? To hell with this proposal!

  • http://www.theconservativevoices.com/ dmacleo

    nope.

  • TENCOLE

    ” they get a non-permanent work visa which allows them to work in this country but does not allow them to qualify for any benefits like welfare, social security, etc….”

    Really?!?…..so then, you’re just going to take away those “benefits” that the illegals already have through false identification and illegal means?
    And no mention of securing the borders, so that in several more years we can do this all reward the illegal behavior again…..no thanks Roooobio.

    • http://www.therightscoop.com/ The Right Scoop

      “And no mention of securing the borders”

      You didn’t watch the interview. He did mention it.

      • http://tinyurl.com/wwsotu Wolfie

        You beat me to the reply by 11 minutes! darn you! ;-)

      • http://www.solitudebooks.com/ Dan C

        But would it actually happen?

        Do you trust Obama, or the RINOS to actually secure it and stick with it?

        I don’t.

        Just because something is written down on paper, secure the border, does not mean it will actually happen. See David Gregory breaking the law on national TV and skating.

      • keyesforpres

        Why don’t they just secure the borders and be done with it? Why is there always an amnesty attached?

        It wouldn’t make any difference anyway because if you give 10 to 20 million legal status they can send for family members and that would send the10 to 20 million number to 40 to 60 million and our country would be gone. They vote for socialism. They aren’t going to vote Republican. I say deport a bunch of them and many will self deport. Get their numbers greatly reduced. That should be the goal.

  • LIRight

    It’s inevitable.

    Either the Libs plan of instant forgiveness or a plan like Rubio’s that seems to be reasonable.

    I’d like to hear more debate on this plan, but I know I don’t like the democrats pile of poop.

    • TENCOLE

      You need to stop this compromising right now and stick up for what you believe in……aren’t you tired of having to do all the compromising?

      • sDee

        Yes – stand our ground for once. Here it is clear: We have immigration laws and policies. Enforce them. Period.

        Any politician who suggest otherwise is lying and disingenuous.

  • hramirez18

    It’s amazing how they are coming out of the closet so-called conservatives. Rubio lying saying his plan is not amnesty when it is. Newt in favor of gay weddings, we all know what marriage means for Newt. Ryan in favor of raising taxes. And others are coming out in favor of gun control.

    • BeyondPolls

      It’s not amnesty. I want to know why Republicans are so opposed to immigrationnaturalization reform. Obviously Obama’s ideas are insane, but there’s nothing wrong with what Rubio has.

      Newt on the other hand, is crazy.

      • sDee

        btw – we all know what “reform” means: let the same politicians who took a perfectly good policy, lied to us about it, and then intentionally sabotaged it… let them replace it with one that we have to pay more for to entrench their power and wealth.

        • BeyondPolls

          Maybe, maybe not.

      • keyesforpres

        Amnesty is forgiving a person for their crime…allowing them to keep what they stole..giving legal status is a form of amnesty. I am amazed at how many people think giving someone citizenship is the only form of amnesty. It’s not.

        • BeyondPolls

          There’s nothing wrong with giving legal status to hard workers.

  • bjohnson55

    The border has to be locked down before anything else happens. Reagan fell for this giving amnesty for the millions of law breakers with the promise from the Federal Government (and Democrats) “something” will be done about the border. Promises from the Federal Government (and Democrats) are as valueless as current value of the dollar. This may be splitting hairs but by crossing the border “ILLEGALLY” would and should put these people in the law breaker category, am I correct??

    • Sober_Thinking

      Spot on.

    • keyesforpres

      Let’s not forget that if we give 20 million illegals amnesty…legal status…they can then send for family members and that could quickly swell to 40 to 60 million! People just don’t consider that.

      Many illegals are in the Mexican drug cartel and in gangs. These are not good people.A large percentage of these illegals are bad people. Giving them legal status will make it easier for them to access welfare. I don’t care how much Rubio blathers on about not giving them welfare… they will get welfare.

  • Sober_Thinking

    This seems to be reasonable for the most part… I have a few minor issues with it and still don’t fully trust Rubio… but I’m glad he and others are working on it. It would be nice if O’Reilly could keep his big trap shut long enough for Rubio to finish his plan…

    Here’s my 2 cents: Secure our border now! Generally speaking, I’m against ANYONE who came here illegally – I feel they should be deported… they broke our laws coming here. Period. No other sovereign nation tolerates illegals like we have and that’s ridiculous. Anchor babies are completely wrong imo – but I don’t have a sound solution for those who are here now (and I’m only talking about the children of illegals). I currently don’t have a suggestion for families (who have anchor babies) that are here and who have been law-abiding (they are not citizens)… Rubio’s solution might make sense in that type of situation. And employers who knowingly employ illegal aliens should be heavily punished. Also, amnesty is NOT okay.

    I’m fine if anyone wants to attack me on those positions… but I’m firmly solid on those right now. No one has made a viable argument against those positions.

    I feel that illegal aliens are the second biggest threat to this nation and this needs to be resolved immediately… and NOT in an Obama/liberal way.

    • notsofastthere

      Marco Rubio DID say close the borders. Our politicians and the Supreme Court let the situation get out of hand. Illegals drain our social services and our prison system. These days they seem to be TAKERS and don’t assimilate into American culture.
      I see a problem with false ID. Political correctness prevented verification of Obama and I wonder how many other elected minority officials came her illegally, but we won’t dare question their credentials.

      • Sober_Thinking

        Yeah, I heard him say what he said about our borders… I agree.

        Good post… spot on.

      • keyesforpres

        So how would giving them legal status help? It would only encourage more illegal immigration.

        I don’t think people get what is happening. In 1982 Mexico formed a dept. in their gov’t dedicated to taking over the Western US ….Reconquista. Many Mexicans (especially those in power) have a derogatory view of the Gringo. They want power over this country and inundating us with illegals is how they are doing it. There is a reason the first folks Obama talked with after he stole the election was “Hispanic leaders”.

        Ever heard of Mecha? A very racist hispanic group. In 2007 the preamble to their constitution talked about the ethnic cleansing of the white and black man. Many illegals have military type weapons and we want to give these guys legal status? I just don’t get it.

    • Conservative_Hippie

      Can’t agree more! Well said!

    • keyesforpres

      I wonder if people consider this: Because of illegals we got Obamacare. Sharon Angle won every county but one in Nevada. In that one county that Reid won, they estimate 10’s of thousands of illegals voted and that cost Angle the election and in turn we got Obamacare. These illegals come from Marxism and they vote for Marxism once they get here. Giving them legal status is amnesty and will only bring more illegals and we will be Northern Mexico.

      • Sober_Thinking

        The first part of your response is very thought-provoking… I hadn’t considered it like that… and yes, Reid getting re-elected is HIGHLY suspicious. I always attributed it to the thousands of unions thugs they bussed in.

        The second part is something I believe at the core of my being. I’m 100% against all forms of amnesty for these illegals. I’d like them found and deported and off the government dime. Sadly, there are some extenuating circumstances such as teenagers of illegals who are pillars in the community or something like that – these folks, I have no answer for. I used to feel like ALL illegals and their anchor babies should go… I’m not sure about some cases now.

        Your comment about Marxism was especially spot on and again, very interesting. Since the ranks of illegals swell every day the border remains unsecure, this is a flood and dilution to original American values. From something as basic as the language to something as vital as laws that affect the country (or states). I agree with you.

        • keyesforpres

          The handful of “upstanding teenagers” is far outweighed by the destruction of our nation. No one is saying we deport every one, but we must aggressively deport and that gets many to leave on their own. Get the numbers greatly reduced so our soveriegnty is not threatened. That is the goal.

          If there are some that are worthy of staying, that is their problem. It is up to them to present their case.

  • BeyondPolls

    BillO is setting the stage for Rubio to become the Republican Obama. <3

    • http://tinyurl.com/wwsotu Wolfie

      Explain.

      • BeyondPolls

        The Republican Party needs an Obama equivalent to rally around. Rubio is that person. Conservatives in the media are setting it up. We have to fight fire with fire, basically.

        • http://tinyurl.com/wwsotu Wolfie

          We DO need a person to rally round… Not sure Rubio is that man.. I was all for Palin and then she sort of walked away… Now I don’t know who to support…

          We’re looking out for a HERO! A New Reagan! Where is this person???? Oh God how I wish she or he would step forward!!!

          • BeyondPolls

            I think Rubio is it. Unless Ted Cruz runs.

        • keyesforpres

          I guess if the dems can put up an inelgible for prez…we can to,eh?

          • BeyondPolls

            Of course you would be a birther.

            • keyesforpres

              O says his father was the foreigner O, Sr. That makes him inelgible. O said he had dual citizenship with Great Britain. That makes him inelgible.

              • BeyondPolls

                Obama was born on US soil. End of story.

  • http://tinyurl.com/wwsotu Wolfie

    This is a fair resolution to the illegal immigrant issue. He is also for sealing the border to prevent further illegal immigration. I’m for it. I’m with him.. At least he HAS a plan! Where is NObama? General amnesty is what’s coming down the road… That mean illegal CRIMINAL aliens, drug pushers, rapists, child and wife abusers, drunk drivers, deviants of any sort will be allowed to stay and find future victims!

    • notsofastthere

      Ted Kennedy started this type of immigration. Janet Napolitano and Obama are happy to have this country run over by illegals.
      I still can’t believe he got elected again.

      • tvlgds

        Amazing what massive voter fraud can accomplish.

    • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

      You forgot to mention terrorists- Hezbollah, al quaida and God knows how many others coming up from Venezuela and other South American countries. sigh.

      • http://tinyurl.com/wwsotu Wolfie

        SECURE THE BORDER!!!! Could that be any clearer? I’ve been calling for that for YEARS!!!! And YEARS!!!! But whether they be Rs or Ds they seem to ignore it… Worried about votes… If I were them… I’d be worried more about AMERICAN votes than Illegal Immigrant votes… And (shock) they “vote” often and… kind of ran out of beans here… so bye! :-)

        • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

          lol. I like a fired up Wolfie! :-D Well said!

          • http://tinyurl.com/wwsotu Wolfie

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            • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

              Was it something you said? ;-)

              • http://tinyurl.com/wwsotu Wolfie

                Probably… sometimes I have to reign myself in… Least I get booted from this site! Now that would be a tragedy… Not that I’d say anything that bad, but… Hey! :-)

    • keyesforpres

      Wolfie, what Rubio is proposing would give all illegals amnesty.There is no way to do background checks. We have no idea who these folks are. Deport and many will self deport. Make an announcement that they have thirty days to get out and after that we will arrest and deport them and fingerprint them and photograph them and put them into a database where they will never be allowed back into our country again. Many will self deport. Deport their kids too. They aren’t US citizens.

      The grandmother that I befriended that fought off the illegal Mexican that tried to rape and kill her, was just a construction guy. Rubio would have given him legal status (before the attempted rape) because he was just a construction guy.

      Please consider this: Only 1% of rape cases are ever prosecuted in Mexico. It’s basically not illegal. The consent in most states in 12! Heard of the Rapto? In some states in MX rape is definitely no big deal as long as you marry her!

      Don’t you see the implications of legalzing millions of men that come from that? I’m not saying they all believe that, but you can be sure many do. Certainly a significant amount when they are here by the millions!

      25 Americans die everyday at the hands of illegals.

  • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

    I can’t see the video for some reason. I guess my computer figures I’ve got nothing to say about it.

    Looking at the comments, there’s a lot of valid points made already.

    • PhillyCon

      Mine too ABC. Can’t see it either.

    • stevenbiot

      You need to get a Mac, ABC!

      • http://tinyurl.com/wwsotu Wolfie

        I think she wants a REAL computer Steven… Not a toy! ;-) (ducks under desk!)

        • colliemum

          Yeah – you duck, and keep hiding, or ……

          (irate Mac owner. Grrrrrrr)

          • http://tinyurl.com/wwsotu Wolfie

            LOL! So what’s it like to have a toy computer that’s almost as good as a PC but give you almost no control over it’s services? Must be a charm! ;-) LOL! I’m kidding really. I don’t give a darn what people use to visit and contribute to this site… So long as they do! THAT is what is important! Right? Er…. Right? Geez… These Apple users… So defensive and wrong! LOL (Runs like hell!!!!)

            • colliemum

              You better go and hide behind your dogs, LOL!

              My mac does what I want, I’ve had no trouble at all, no slowing down, no need for expensive anti-virus stuff, updates coming when I want them, not when Windows sends them and I’ve got to stop everything – for starters.

              The best, for me, was getting a SSD, so starting and closing down takes five seconds (I counted, watch in hand). I used to be an anti-apple person, until I test-drove one, three years ago. Convinced me, as I’ve got to live with it …

              Mind – I haven’t got the i-Family of pods and pads, so I hope that redeems me a bit in your eyes.

              You can now come back out, from behind your dogs!

              :-))

              • http://tinyurl.com/wwsotu Wolfie

                Ah Jeez… You are so deep in… We may never be able to rescue you! :-)

                • colliemum

                  Heh – you can start rescuing me if’n when I come and live in your country, after I’ve got my guns, done the courses, got the CC permit … then we can talk!

                  :-)))

                • http://tinyurl.com/wwsotu Wolfie

                  I would be the first to welcome you and “rescuse” you…

                • colliemum

                  Thanks, Wolfie – virtual hugs across the Atlantic!

                  {{{{{ }}}}}

                  :-)

                • http://tinyurl.com/wwsotu Wolfie

                  UGH!!! Didn’t our Ducky tell you I *dont’* “do” hugs!!! LOL! :-) There is a story behind this that you would never believe! But that’s for another day! ;-)

                • colliemum

                  Aww – these were virtual ones, Wolfie (see, I didn’t even use the ‘H’-word!), they’re ok, surely?
                  And I do want to hear that story, one day! Don’t forget!
                  ;-)

                  (What about licks from the housewolf? Can I send those???)

                • MiketheMarine

                  NOBODY would beat me to you, Ambassador Colliemum. Ain’t gonna happen………

                • MiketheMarine

                  No, sir. I WILL be the first to welcome my Ambassador. Sorry, Brother

                • http://tinyurl.com/wwsotu Wolfie

                  By all means.. I was just holding the fort for you until you got a chance to respond! :-) Never get between a Marine and his Ambassador! :-)

      • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

        lol. :-)

      • aposematic

        Please don’t get that @&#^ started…

        • stevenbiot

          Haha. Sorry

    • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

      Alrighty I finally got it. It sounds good, but I have to be skeptical. Yes, the first thing that needs to be done is build the fence, or a wall, or a shark/crocodile/piranha/alligator infested moat, allow the border guards to do their jobs without fear of prison time for shooting a known illegal drug dealer in the butt, and stop using the 14th Amendment as an anchor baby incentive.
      Once the borders are sealed, then work on getting all of the illegals who are on any sort of welfare off. Cut them off. Use that money to help with border security and for our Veterans.
      Deport all who have committed a crime and those who are a drain on our social welfare system.

      It’s an atrocity that our government has put this country in danger by not doing this. Not to mention an absolute dereliction of their number one duty to protect the citizens from threats foreign and domestic. Close and secure the borders first and do it now.

      • http://tinyurl.com/wwsotu Wolfie

        Drat! I spent about 4 minutes trying to track down the “source” link to post it and I should have read just the very next comment first… That’s gratitude for you… Stomps off in a right old huff! ;-)

  • sDee

    If they are here illegally they HAVE COMMITTED A CRIME!

    • stevenbiot

      Yep, that’s how I see it, and how it is. My buddy from Iran gets pissed about this issue. He, and his entire family, had to wait over a year, or longer, to get here legally. He feels that he’s being slapped in the face by our immigration laws. I agree with him.

      • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

        Most legal immigrants feel slapped Steven. I know I do.

        • http://tinyurl.com/wwsotu Wolfie

          Yeah! I know what you say!

          • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

            ;-)

      • sDee

        I am working with someone now. A person who loves this county, has an education, skills, assets, and a respect for our culture and our law. It is nearly impossible – absolutely discouraging when she sees others from her country here illegally, laughing in our faces and hers.

        Rubio knows damn well what is going on. He is a globalist shill. and btw – the ones we need to worry about are the islamists here illegally – probably close to a million by now. They did not come across the border, they overstayed their visas and are being financed by their governments like Saudis Arabia. You saw a glimpse of what is to come at the DNC covnention.

  • stevenbiot

    Yeah, Bill, they will work together to come to a solution. Idiot!

  • http://www.facebook.com/LeeBDixon Lee B Dixon

    I’ve recently learned about this plan, I’ve seen some call it White Genocide & Cultural Marxism:

    In 50 years there will be NO majority White countries on earth. Yet Africa has over 50+ all black nations. Asia will remain totally Asian etc. And that will be true a century from now. It is White countries and ONLY White countries that are being flooded with non-Whites and it is EVERY single White country. Diversity is White GENOCIDE and anti-racist is just a CODEWORD for anti-White. WhiteGenocideProject.com

    Imagine what WHITE GENOCIDE would be like.
    You would have to flood EVERY & ONLY white countries with millions of non-whites.
    Then you would have to demoralize ALL whites by screaming the R-Word! at them if they objected. Then you would have to pass laws to FORCE integrate all those non-whites into every facet of society. Then you would have to…Oh wait. This is already happening!
    They say it’s anti-racist but it’s simply anti-White. Anti-racist is a code for anti-White.

    CULTURAL MARXISM: The Corruption of America http://youtu.be/gIdBuK7_g3M

    • sDee

      More like White and Christian suicide – not genocide.

      America is the target. The last obstacle.

  • sjmom

    How will the senator get the illegals to come forward and also didn’t I hear the illegal population has dwindled because of our economy?

    Does Bill believe Obama will meet with Rubio because if he did it would only be for a photo op and then destroy Marco in the press?

    Loved it when Marco said some on the Left are only looking for an issue not a solution because when you think about it this is their strategy. Wake up GOP!

  • Joengima

    I’m ok with Rubio’s plan for the most part as long as securing the border is first priority.

    However, I feel Illegals should be barred from citizenship. I’m sorry, but if we do a type of “amnesty” it should be to Residential Alien status only. They should be barred citizenship unless they serve in the Military.

    • sDee

      Border security is mostly a red herring. Many counties have more porous borders than ours and do not suffer this problem because they do not give the trappings of citizenship to those who reside illegally. They immediately identify and prosecute illegals and anyone who overstay visas.

      Lockk up the honey pot and the bears will go back in the woods. We must remember all these illegals are not gypsies – they have citizenship and a home county.

      • tvlgds

        They also don’t provide for their every need at taxpayer expense.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=732306017 Frank Strazzulla

      mandatory E-Verify for hiring along with strengthening the border should be part of any legislation.

  • kssturgis62

    I am just glad people are waking up and seeing that just because someone calls you a Conservative your not one.

    I would love to tell all these amnesty loving Liberals on the Republican side and Democratic side, how much they have hurt my family, because we chose to do it legally.

    I would also like to tell them by allowing these ILLEGALS to constantly break the Law, they have truly hurt my Family.

    I wish Marco Rubio and others who push this amnesty garbage, would look at the people who have been waiting in line for 5, 10, 15, years, and because they keep pushing amnesty for mainly hispanics, there are people dying waiting to come to this country legally.

    Women are being murdered in arab nations trying to get here, Christians are being slaughtered trying to get here.

    I was told by my Senator Debbi Stabenaw (D) MI, her assistant Veeder, that if my husband was Arabic or Hispanic it would make things easier for him.

    But you see he is WHITE, HE IS CANADIAN, and Canadians and Americans are not supposed to meet, especially if you live in Michigan. We also have quotas, and there are just to many Canadians here. Well if there are to many Canadians here, when does the part come in that there are to many hispanics here.

    I am sick of people who are HERE ILLEGALLY demanding things of my nation, and telling my nation they have rights.

    La Raza is a Marxist Organization. Marco Rubio is a hack, anyone who sides with him in congress and there are many republicans that do are not beholden to this country.

    I love how O’Reilly never asked him about him saying in a Wall Street Journal article that WE CANNOT SECURE OUR BORDER, that there weren’t ENOUGH AMERICAN CITIZENS TO FILL THE JOBS OF ENGINEERS, SCIENTISTS, and other high technological jobs in this country.

    Marco Change to liberal already, your NOT Conservative, and your true colors are showing.

    • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

      Clapping over here!

      • http://tinyurl.com/wwsotu Wolfie

        Re: Rubio: All my Conservative hopes are falling and failing one by one… Perhaps we lost the war and it’s just time to end it all?

        • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

          Never give up my brother Wolfie! “Never give in. Never give in. Never, never, never, never—in nothing, great or small, large or petty—never give in, except to convictions of honour and good sense. Never yield to force. Never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy.”

          Don’t make me open this up on you! http://www.shtfplan.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/whoop_ass_inside.jpg

          Or this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkTw3_PmKtc

          • http://tinyurl.com/wwsotu Wolfie

            Can of whoopass! Brilliant!

            Using a Churchill quote to inspire me… One that I, myself, have oft used to inspire others…. simply…. Priceless! ;-)

            • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

              Can’t argue with the Founders, and you can’t argue with Sir Winston or our boys! OOHRAH! :-D

              • MiketheMarine

                HOOO-FREAKIN-RAH !!!!!!!!!

                • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

                  `:-) There he is!

          • MiketheMarine

            Now THAT sounds like an Honorary, hell, actual Marine speaking there. You go, Major Duckie!!!

            • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

              Can a major tell a Corporal he’s sweet?!

              • MiketheMarine

                Under ANY other circumstances than this, hell no. But now and here, absolutely.

                ;-)

                • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

                  Sweet! :-)

    • Linky1

      Thank you, thank you, thank you.

      As a Canadian, I can attest to years and years of favouritism and queue jumping under our Liberal regimes. While our current government isn’t AS conservative as I would like, they have at least addressed our immigration issues and passed new laws that makes the colons of liberals and queue jumpers tighten uncomfortably, as people are being deportedand immigration rules strengthened.

      While Marco Rubio may be young and Hispanic and allegedly conservative, his favouritism is showing toward the many, many, many illegal immigrants, while, as you say, making the legitimate non-Hispanic immigrants wait in line.

    • sDee

      Thank you for explaining what so many do not know.

      The 1965 Immigration Act was National Suicide. We are filling our country with its political enemies. The diversity quotas are pure insanity – now managed soley at the discretion of political anti-American, subverive, entrenche bureaucrats in our own government.

      Rubio knows this yet he deceives us with this rhetoric. Long Island Elites like O’Reilly know this. “Lookin’ out for the folks” – RRRRRIIIIIIGGGGHHHTTTT.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/CZSU2D67ODNZOKEZYHXONQ4F5Y John

      A Canadian? The motto od DNC is to lower the IQ of this nation, not raise it by getting Canadians and Europeans…Dorks are easy to be turned into sheeple…..

  • aposematic

    Spent two years in Laredo, TX back in 1985-86, as an oil field engineer. All operators there were green card Mexicans. I asked them one day why they didn’t work for PEMEX, Mexico’s Oil Company. They said: Because in Mexico, you have to pay your boss to get a job and then pay part of every check to keep your job. I said: So in Mexico you have to join a Union to work… Just FYI. Without good info, good decisions are pure luck.

  • Conservator1

    My problem with the plan outlined by Sen. Rubio is simple. I agree with the points that Sen. Rubio outlined – illegal immigrants who want to work in the US should come forward, be fingerprinted, have a background check, must know English and must already be assimilated.

    However there are two requirements that are absolutely necessary which Rubio failed to include and thus I couldn’t support his plan at this point in time.

    First and most important, just knowing English and having been assimilated should not qualify anyone toward a path of citizenship. Legal immigrants who often wait 5 plus years to earn their citizenship and must study our Constitution and pass a test to earn the right of becoming an American.

    Illegal immigrants must do the SAME and not have an easier path than those who waited years to become a legal citizen. In addition as Wolfie posted below, “SECURE THE BORDER” is an absolute given.

    This is where Reagan went wrong. After his amnesty plan became law, it caused the flood gates to open and nearly 15 million new illegal immigrants migrated to the U.S. – the law was like a welcome sign for illegal immigrants.

  • sDee

    When the progressive propaganda trolls come around in support of Rubio, that just about says it all.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/44F4AB4VSCTOCHBMBG4ZWWD5OU Laurel

    I want him to define ‘assimilation’.

    See this is what happens when legislators seek and are successful at pulling the wool over people’s eyes. Getting immigration reform of any kind is going to be difficult if not impossible due to the deceit of 1986.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/CZSU2D67ODNZOKEZYHXONQ4F5Y John

      Good point – “assimilation”???. Like (taxes) – a “fair share”..
      Whatta ef is that? Ask 1000 people, you’ll get 1000 or more answers. Elusive laws with interpretations by those in high places…

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/44F4AB4VSCTOCHBMBG4ZWWD5OU Laurel

        Exactly! From where I am standing assimilation stopped happening a long time ago. We have a lot of different ‘countries within a country’. I am sure Rubio disagrees with that so I would be interested in hearing what his definition and the legal definition of assimilation is.

    • keyesforpres

      How about enforcement reform?

  • ryanomaniac

    Sorry Rubio. You’ve lost me. I’d never vote for you. You preach about unemployed Americans but you don’t mind importing non citizens to take those jobs. Like when Rick Perry tells us here in Texas that unemployment is low. He didn’t tell you that 75% of those jobs went to immigrants. Legal and illegal. Stick it Rubio.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/CZSU2D67ODNZOKEZYHXONQ4F5Y John

    Many of those “requirements” or “conditions” will be QUIETLY removed later – like work requirement was quietly (most Americans didn’t hear about that) removed from Welfare “requirements” . they have broken a federal law. I go to prison if I ever do that. Two different kinds of laws?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwWW2DQS_DU Booker T. (D-Low Info Island)

    Look, we have to face it: We can close the faucet and stop future illegals or we can deport every single one of the 12 million illegal immigrants. It’s not going to happen, and you know it. Let’s get a handle on what’s going on now and get a hold of this country and get assimilation in motion. And at the same time, we should secure the border.

    • sDee

      There is no facuet. There is an electro-magnet. Turn it off or it will continue to attract those who have no respect for America, her culture or her laws. Making those who do not respect her, citizens, makes the magnet even stronger.

      No one is talking about deportation. That is only a last resort but unless a sovereign nation is wiling to deport illegals and colonists – it dies.

      • wodiej

        how in the hell are we going to deport 11 million people? What…go around from house to house looking for legal immigration papers?

        • keyesforpres

          Oh good grief…no one is saying you deport them all. We are saying aggressively deport a bunch and many will leave on their own.

          What is a pipe dream is believing we can do background checks on these illegals. Most have an American’s social security number that they have stolen.

    • keyesforpres

      No one says you deport every one. You do aggressively deport and many will leave on their own. Arrest and deport any that come in for welfare too! The goal is to greatly reduce their numbers. THAT is the goal. It is not an all or nothing proposition. Reward the invaders and we will get more invaders. Have we not learned anything??

  • Indiana

    As a Mexican-American, I tend to agree with Senator Rubio’s proposal. I will say from the Hispanic side of things, if the Democrats are the ones to pass and get credit for immigration reform, than the GOP and Conservatives are DONE!! You can’t win without a good portion of the Hispanic vote, the demographics of the electorate have changed. More and more minorities are voting so you can’t win with just white people.

    • sDee

      If you are an American who used to be a Mexican, you came here legally and you know that what Rubio proposes could be pursued today by any other Mexican who wants to be an American.

      It is a fool’s game to pander to illegals to garner votes.

      Nixon invented the word “Hispanic” to create his very own group of disaffected voters to counter what the dems did with blacks. How’d that work out for him?

      Reagan gave illegals amnesty and they voted Republican by about 60% margin, then drifted to over 70% for Clinton.

      Bush catered to illegals, left the border open, jailed border guards who ignored him, allowed sanctuary cites, and gave them medicaid. They voted Democrat.

      Creating oppressed minority blocks and disaffected voters is a marxist game, and the elephants always lose – but in the globalist scheme of things, perhaps that is after all where they want to take America.

      • Indiana

        I am an American of Mexican decent. While I am proud to be an American I will not reject my heritage which is also present in my last name (Puente), I am Mexican-American. My great grandparents became citizens in the 1920’s.

        I do not believe that this is pandering as much as it is solving the problem with people who are already here in a humane way. Sorry but on immigration I agreed with Texas Governor Rick Perry and Fmr. House Speaker Newt Gingrich. Actually bush 43 was re-elected. How are his proposals creating oppressed minority blocks? This is not as much an issue about elections as it is dealing with these people in a humane way.

    • PVG

      In Rubio’s plan, while they are here working towards citizenship, no hand outs, welfare, or VOTING!!

      • keyesforpres

        Why should they get to work for citizenship? They invaded!!

        You forget that educating their kids is the BIGGEST expense of all with illegals.

        With the states that won’t do voter id they waltze right in and vote. They are the reason we got Obamacare. See one of my posts above explaining why. Just having them on our soil means dems will bus them to the polls to vote.

        • Indiana

          Many do have work visas. They come and work fields. Many people live in the United States while becoming a citizen, they have to attend classes. Actually there have mostly been cases where there are dead people registered to vote I have yet to hear of undocumented immigrants voting. Why do you keep calling immigrants invaders? Do you really want me to go through the history of how the America was founded? (Colonies not the nation).

    • keyesforpres

      You are either a Mexican OR an American. Not both.

      America is done if we give this amnesty.

      Your attitude is precisely what is wrong with the majority of Mexicans that are coming here legally and illegally. Your loyalty is with Mexico and you expect us to allow you to turn this into northern Mexico.

      It is an outrage that you and any other hyphenated whatever think we should capitulate to invaders in the hopes they will vote for us. What an outrage.

      Many are in gangs…many are in the Mexican drug cartels, many are rapists and murderers (Mexico empties their prisons and brings them to the border). Your attitude is an outrage. Your loyalty is obviously with Mexico. Feel free to go back there.

      • Indiana

        Wow, now I have been defending the Republican Party and Conservative ideology from people who want to claim that we are racist. I always say it can’t be found on our side but it appears you exist. It is this kind of attitude that turns people away. America is not done if we go with Senator Rubio’s plan, it is not amnesty.

        No my loyalty is not with Mexico you moron. My great grandparents came here LEGALLY from mexico in the 1910’s. Are you saying I can’t be proud of my heritage? Sorry Amigo, America is a nation of immigrants and I believe we can all be proud to be Americans and also be proud of where our ancestors came from. I AM MEXICAN-AMERICAN.

        Yes and many white people are in gangs. The number one gang is the white supremacists, are you one of them? If you were a conservative you would understand that crimes are committed by an individual and you shouldn’t attack a group of people for that and just say they are all bad. You are a disgrace to the Republican Party and to the Conservative movement. Your loyalty is obviously with Satan. Feel free to go to hell.

  • Conservative_Hippie

    I like Rubio’s plan. It makes sense to me. Anyone that thinks they are going to round up all illegal aliens adults and children and deport them is not facing reality. The two things I like the most about Rubio’s plan is it’s viablilty and it’s mercifulness!

    • sDee

      But the State and Federal agencies could organize such an immigration priority today under existing laws. So, why don’t they? Why is Rubio not making that case?

      New laws mean more government. More Government means more power, more taxes, more money for politicians.

      • Conservative_Hippie

        Agreed, but there is no cohesive attempt to bring those existing laws together. Rubio’s plan could at least be put on the table, so to speak.

      • Conservative_Hippie

        I will say this sDee, i think it may be a logistics nightmare to give them drivers licenses when that is one of the “ID’s” used for voting. I think a special drivers license would need to be issued for, dare I say it, segregation purposes. Rubios plan is not without it’s crticism, but it’s the best plan I’ve heard so far, so it’s a start. And like wolfie said, secure the borders would be priority one. Something needs to be done ASAP on this issue – it’s a mess!

        • PVG

          Agree whole heartedly Hippie-friend!

          • Conservative_Hippie

            Gracias PVG!

        • keyesforpres

          What good would securing the borders do if you give millions of illegals legal status? Have you not considered the fact that they could then legally send for all their extended family??

          • Conservative_Hippie

            What you propose would be illegal under Rubio’s plan.

      • keyesforpres

        Because Rubio has no intention of doing anything. He puts his Spanish surname ahead of being an American.

        • Conservative_Hippie

          I respectfully disagree with you, but honor your right to have a differing opinion.

    • keyesforpres

      And anyone who thinks we can do background checks in not facing reality. Aggressively deport and many will leave on their own. The goal is to greatly reduce thei numbers. No one is saying we will get rid of every single one.

      • Conservative_Hippie

        Good point!

  • Conniption Fitz
    • sDee

      One of the reasons the globalists want us disarmed – imagine pulling tht sh’t in Texas?

  • Conservative_Hippie

    And then, I hate to admit it, there’s the political pragmatism of the plan, which is if you deport all illegal aliens, guess what demographic vote you won’t get in the next election?

    • wodiej

      whether that is their real intent is not the point. We have 11 million illegal aliens here and we have to do something about it. Businesses are using them for cheap labor and E verify is a friggin’ joke. Legal citizens can’t get a job because businesses are hiring illegals.

      • Conservative_Hippie

        I understand your point, but I was not alluding to any specific intent on Rubio’s part, I was just making an observation. I do agree with what you say though.

      • keyesforpres

        Yes, we have to do something about it…deport.

        Make them legal and employers will look for a new crop of illegals. They hire them because they are illegal and they pay them less.

        Remember, many that are working in construction and landscaping are in gangs by night…or the Mexican drug cartel. Why do you want to legalize that? And don’ tell me we’ll do a background check. How?? They have fake documents out the wazoo.

        NEVER reward lawbreaking. It is nonsense to say we have to do something about it and that something is rewarding the crime!!

        What about all the rapist and murderers on the loose? We have to do something and since we will never be able to find and arrest them all…we should just forgive them their crime and presto….no more rapists and murderers because we forgave them their crime. We’ll just ask them to come forward and get fingerprinted and pay taxes!!

    • keyesforpres

      You won’t get the illegal alien vote that’s what!

      How can you call yourself a conservative if you want to put people into groups?? How insulting to the hispanics that immigrated here legally and are against this. I have met a number of people who immigrated here LEGALLY from Mexican and are outraged at this invasion. It is such an insult to them. How dare any conservative clump people into groups and think they all think alike?

      We should never cower to invaders in the hopes they will vote for us. They vote for Marxism…not freedom and not liberty.
      I’m not interested in selling my country out in the hopes of getting the invader’s vote. They aren’t supposed to be voting anyway.

      • Conservative_Hippie

        Friend, I think you misunderstand me. First off, I am not saying I want to clump anybody into groups. I was just thinking from a politically pragmatic position (and every party does it!) that latino-american citizens would not look highly on hispanic illegal aliens being deported. This would be an obvious result. Secondly, I am not in any way suggesting selling our country out?! I’m not sure where you read that into my post? Anyway I am a true conservative. Many here will vouch for me. I am pro-Constitution, pro-military, anti-government spending, socially conservative on all fronts, pro-family and most of al pro-life! I think this makes me a conservative, no?

      • Conservative_Hippie

        Again, kfp, I reiterate, it’s not viable to deport all illegal aliens. I also don’t think it’s wise to deport all illegal aliens. The repercusions of which would be, in and of themselves, disasterous. I just think your approach which, in theory is noteworthy, is not “doable”. We need to come up with something that has real solutions and will work. Heaven knows Obama wants full amnesty and that is a disaster, I think we can both agree on that!

  • StandProudNow

    OK, he lost me at the 1:06 mark when he referred to illegal immigrants as “undocumented”. That is SO telling!!!!

    Roooobio, I’m DONE with you!

    Oh, I’m an immigrant btw. A LEGAL one.

    • keyesforpres

      Isn’t it insulting to you that he wants to reward these lawbreakers?

    • Conservative_Hippie

      Welcome to the United States!

  • wodiej

    A reasonable and well thought out plan. Anyone of our other “loyal” public servants come up with anything comparable? No, just bash illegals and what we should do yet nothing gets done and illegals keep pouring over our borders.

    Bill O’Reilly is an A**. It’s a wonder how any of his guests can make a point as much as he interrupts them.

    • keyesforpres

      Reagan did something…amnesty and look what that got us?

      Do you honestly think that if we reward illegal invaders we will get less of it?? Seriously??

  • keyesforpres

    Yo Rube…ALL illegals have committed a crime the second they snuck in. You give them legal status and more will just keep coming.

  • aZjimbo

    Come forward? Yea right.
    Pay back taxes? Yea right.

  • http://twitter.com/HOUSTONPETITION Stop the Magnet

    Bush’s boy…helping to get a constituency for George P. Amnesty for 12…really 20 mil or more is the death warrant.
    JUST SAY H*LL NO! I want 12m ICE agents.

  • BeyondPolls

    One thing is for certain: if Republicans don’t accept Rubio’s plan, then our party and America with it is doomed.

    • MiketheMarine

      Why do I suspect that either you are here illegally or a close family member is? I believe we should bus all illegals, regardless of where they are from, across the mexican border and line that border with ARMED military.

      We should also have a reciprocal illegal immigrant policy as Mexico. Go google how mexico handles illegals who cross over their southern border, maroon.

      • BeyondPolls

        I was born legally in America, as was every single one of my family members. Why do you feel the need to put me in a box?
        I think instead of lining the border (a very dangerous and perilous task) we should allow the federal government to detain non-citizens for violent crimes. Shipping them across the border constantly is ridiculous.

        • MiketheMarine

          Stopping them from crossing in the first place is the ONLY anwer. Did you know that there are ZERO public hospitals in southern Cali or Arizona? Do you know why? Dead beat, @$$ed illegals. That’s why and by the way, Having a child in the USA does not give them citizenship if both parents are illegals. That has been the assumption and it is not written as a law, anywhere. Illegal is illegal, period. That pregnant woman should be forced into labor to pay her medical bills then escorted with her child with great care straight home to HER home in mexico.

          • BeyondPolls

            I know, but it makes the baby a citizen. I think both parents should have to be citizens in order to have their child born a citizen.
            You have some strong words for pregnant women. No wonder Republicans are losing the messaging battle.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/44F4AB4VSCTOCHBMBG4ZWWD5OU Laurel

      Baloney. If that were the case then they would be voting en masse for Republicans since the amnesty of 1986. Reality is they like their freebies. Manhattan Institute did an in depth study that shows why they vote Democrat, and it’s the same reason most vote Democrat, FREE STUFF AT THE TAXPAYERS EXPENSE.

      • BeyondPolls

        Reagan’s amnesty was a mistake. However, Rubio’s plan is completely different.
        Moreover, blocking someone from entering the country based on how you think they will vote is not right at all. That’s exactly how Democrats think Republicans think about Hispanics. We do not need to prove them right.

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/44F4AB4VSCTOCHBMBG4ZWWD5OU Laurel

          Is English your second language? Because if it is, or even if it isn’t, perhaps you should learn comprehension and not posit logical fallacies as intellect.

          By your own logic and post if we were going to lose or win the Hispanic vote forever due support/or no support for any amnesty plan, THEN THE AMNESTY REAGAN DID, BE IT RIGHT OR WRONG, WOULD HAVE CEMENTED THE REPUBLICAN VOTE FOREVER WHICH IT NEVER DID.

          And I don’t give two sh**ts what you think is right or wrong, moral or immoral, because it is apparent you lack logic. And if letting Hispanics not enter a country due to voting habits, which I never ever said or implied what so ever, is immoral, THEN IT IS JUST AS IMMORAL AND MAYBE MORE SO TO BLACKMAIL A COUNTRY FOR THEIR VOTES WITH AMNESTY.

          Perhaps you should quit talking because you are hurting your cause more than helping. I haven’t seen one thing you have posted that is even remotely intelligent or has a grasp in right , wrong, and reality.

          Now I suggest you go to the Manhattan Institute website, read the study if you can grasp English and comprehend it, and you just might learn something.

          In the mean time stop bothering me with blatant stupidity.

          • BeyondPolls

            What does learning English have to do with logical fallacies?
            I’m not talking about cementing the Hispanic vote for Republicans at all. Do you seriously think that Hispanics should be played like pawns in this way? That’s exactly how the Democrats treat them and it’s ridiculous. Immigration reform should be about what is right, not about what is politically advantageous.
            Rubio’s plan has NOTHING to do with amnesty. It has to do with merit-based paths to citizenship. That is all.

            • http://profile.yahoo.com/44F4AB4VSCTOCHBMBG4ZWWD5OU Laurel

              Once again you post something that is devoid of what you originally posted. Furthermore a couple of days ago you were going to go and get Rubio’s plan in detail for all of us to see. WHERE IS IT?

              Yeah that’s what I thought. You are another low information voter endorsing something, out touting it, and pushing it without ever having read it. You in reality have no idea what Rubio’s plan is in detail.

              You are either half out of your mind and can’t remember what you post from one minute to the next or you are an ignorant shill. Either way you are a waste of my time and a moron. What you are doing here is actually hurting Rubio and not helping.

              And if Rubio thinks people are just going to blindly follow him and his plan then he is an opportunistic flim flam man which is what I have suspected of him all along. Time will tell for certain on that score. We shall see.

              • BeyondPolls

                I searched and I cannot find a better explanation of Rubio’s plan than the plan in his own words, as explained in the video in the article above! Did you even watch it?

                • http://profile.yahoo.com/44F4AB4VSCTOCHBMBG4ZWWD5OU Laurel

                  Yes. There aren’t any details to it. You proved my point for me. You are blindly following like a lemming without any direction or details to the plan.

                  And if Rubio is out touting a plan that he hasn’t published or put on paper yet then that is a real problem.

                • BeyondPolls

                  I’m going to assume that you did not watch the video.

                • http://profile.yahoo.com/44F4AB4VSCTOCHBMBG4ZWWD5OU Laurel

                  Assume what ever you like. I could care less about your assumptions as they have absolutely zero effect on me.

                  If it isn’t in writing, especially concerning politicians, it doesn’t exist and you are a lemming.

                  You are ridiculous and naive.

                  P.S. I also watched the video as it happened since I watched O’Reilly that night as well. so go ahead and make assumptions and by all means deflect because that is all you have.

                • BeyondPolls

                  Okay, then I was wrong about you not watching the video. But I fail to understand why you need more information about his plan since you watched it before I did.

                • http://profile.yahoo.com/44F4AB4VSCTOCHBMBG4ZWWD5OU Laurel

                  I fail to understand why you don’t understand. If it isn’t in writing then it can be changed, modified, denied and just plain manipulated and even then it will still have all of those things done to it. What is so hard to understand about that?

                  And if it isn’t in writing, legally and politically speaking, it doesn’t exist. Rubio is espousing hot air until it is down in writing and he is willing to stand by it…AND UNTIL THEN HE WILL NOT GET MY SUPPORT.

                • BeyondPolls

                  I guess we will see what happens.

                • BeyondPolls

                  I’m going to assume that you did not watch the video.

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/44F4AB4VSCTOCHBMBG4ZWWD5OU Laurel

          Oh and here is a P.S.

          If bribing Hispanics with amnesty is the only way to win elections for either party then i submit the complete and total collapse of America is inevitable and imminent.

          So let’s get on with it because no country can survive the break down of society that comes with immorality. and you did nothing but post touchy feely nonsensical immoral BS to me. If America has truly indeed gotten just that dumb then there should no longer be an America. It doesn’t deserve to exist.
          Luckily you are the normative yet or the majority, but if the country stays on the path it is on you will be…THEN IT’S OVER.

          It was good while it lasted.

  • MLCBLOG

    I LOVE his solution…..but will it ever happen?

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/44F4AB4VSCTOCHBMBG4ZWWD5OU Laurel

      Nope. Democrats have stolen the issue.

  • http://www.facebook.com/quindan Daniel Quinn

    Why do they keep saying 12 mil. It’s probably 50 mil. by now. It was around 40 mil. when I was back in CONUS in 2008.