By The Right Scoop


This is a bit unorthodox, but I was moved and thought you would appreciate it too:

Oh! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved home and the war’s desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the heav’n rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: “In God is our trust.”
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

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  • williamm

    First Verse
    Oh, say, can you see, by the dawn's early light,
    What so proudly we hail'd at the twilight's last gleaming?
    Whose broad stripes and bright stars, thro' the perilous fight,
    O'er the ramparts we watch'd, were so gallantly streaming?
    And the rocket's red glare, the bombs bursting in air
    Gave proof thro' the night that our flag was still there.
    Oh, say, does that Star-Spangled Banner yet wave
    O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?

    Second Verse
    On the shore dimly seen, thro' the mists of the deep,
    Where the foe's haughty host in dread silence reposes,
    What is that which the breeze, o'er the towering steep,
    As it fitfully blows half conceals, half discloses?
    Now it catches the gleam of the morning's first beam,
    In full glory reflected, now shines in the stream;
    'Tis the Star-Spangled Banner, Oh long may it wave
    O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.

    Third Verse
    And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
    That the havoc of war and the battle's confusion
    A home and a country should leave us no more?
    Their blood has wash'd out their foul footstep's pollution.
    No refuge could save the hireling and slave
    From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,
    And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
    O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.

    Fourth Verse
    Oh, thus be it ever when free men shall stand
    Between their loved homes and the war's desolation!
    Blest with vict'ry and peace, may the heav'n rescued land
    Praise the Pow'r that hath made and preserved us a nation!
    Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
    And this be our motto, “In God is our trust”
    And the Star-Spangled Banner in triumph shall wave
    O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

  • KeninMontana

    Amen.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1165303751 Patricia Taylor Carr

    Most people don't realize that there are 4 verses to the “Star Bangled Banner”, our National Anthem. This man did a magnificent job singing the 4th verse from memory. We have all 4 verses in our Hymn Book at church, but I think we only sing the hymn on July 4 weekend. I wish we sang it more.

  • williamm

    Here is a copy which I found on you tube couple years ago.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piT33GV2EMA

  • williamm
  • gregatisus

    That is so beautiful. The 4th verse has always been the most emotional. It is a shame that it is so seldom used.
    Thank you.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dennis-McCutcheon/1819984642 Dennis McCutcheon

    That ought to scare the liberals and the self serving incumbents to death. These kind of clips need to be shared. Main Stream Media can't share without showing themselves for the liars they are. Applause Herman, The Right Scoop and my Marine (ain't no such thing as a FORMER Marine) tenor.

  • texasgirl46

    Wow…brought tears to my eyes…

  • http://doorwaybuck.com CM Sackett

    This citizen/warrior/HERO's simple, eloquent COURAGE was wondrous…

    …but that first young lady to stand (in the frame), brings a lump to my throat, a tear to the eye… and a stiffening of the RESOLVE.

    THANK YOU for posting this!
    CM Sackett

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Shirley-R-Morgan/1444224535 Shirley R. Morgan

    Most Progressives, Socialist, Communist dos not understand what drives the Tea Party followers. This clip is what the movement is all about. One member stands up and sings the second verse of The Star Spangle Banner from memory. A young girl stands, soon the crowd is standing with their hands over their heart, some with tears in their eyes. That my friend is love and pride of country!
    The most important things to a Tea Party member is God, country and up holding the Constitution to the letter. We will fight to keep God in our speeches, prayers on our lips and Progressive Socialist out of commission. We know if we fail, our families and country will not survive! So help us God!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Shirley-R-Morgan/1444224535 Shirley R. Morgan

    Most Progressives, Socialist, Communist do not understand what drives the Tea Party followers. This clip is what the movement is all about. One member stands up and sings the second verse of The Star Spangle Banner from memory. A young girl stands, soon the crowd is standing with their hands over their heart, some with tears in their eyes. That my friend is love and pride of country!
    The most important things to a Tea Party member is God, country and up holding the Constitution to the letter. We will fight to keep God in our speeches, prayers on our lips and Progressive Socialist and Rino's out of commission. We know if we fail, our families and country will not survive! So help us God!

  • carkrueger

    That was awesome. I want America back! God help us!

  • http://stopislamizationofamerica.blogspot.com/ Art Telles

    That guy can SING…!!!

    Thanks so much RightScoop…

    The way he sings the song, it is an “up lifter”… and… he's stays on pitch… his vibrato is controlled… his breath control is apparent… his tone is pleasing… the audience loved it… so I give it a “10”… and I downloaded it so I can hear it again.

    Art
    STOP! Islamization Of America

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1526638182 Lea Conway

    This was an amazing moment!

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/U7LQAHKQMWAXNV3PT4SPJ4ZKTY Danny

    Most Tea Party followers do not understand what drives progressive democrats, who suddenly find themselves being labeled socialists and communists so as to imply some sort of connection to the communist-totalitarianism ideology that we fought in the cold war.

    Most tea party members do not understand that we love our country just as much as they do, but think that scenes like this, touching though they may be, are not the only ways to express patriotism, and most tea party members really don't understand that Barack Obama loves this country and seem to forget that his story is an incredible example of what is possible only in America. Also, most tea party members don't seem to understand that a most of the higher ranking former military officials currently in congress are Democrats (and, for that matter, that tons of former enlisted men are in congress as Democrats).

    Most tea party members don't seem to understand that beside the much contested establishment clause, the only other mention of religion in the Constitution is to expressly forbid the application of religious litmus tests for government positions, or that much of the constitution is inherently and intentionally vague which precludes any sort of attempt at literal interpretation. Most tea party members don't seem to understand that the Star Spangled Banner was written by Francis Scott Key, a religious activist, and that the final verse was his attempt to encourage the government to adopt “In God is our Trust” as a national motto, but that this attempt failed rather spectacularly only to ultimately succeed in about 120 years later when we were defining ourselves in opposition to the Soviets, who rather forcefully squelched any and all religion in their borders, thus placing their ultimate trust in the state. Members of the tea party also don't seem to realize how ironic it is that very few people among their ranks are reevaluating this approach given that the current enemy we face is EXTREMELY religious and places all of their trust in God (as, after all, Allah is just the Arabic word for God — Arabic Christians/Jews use the word Allah to refer to His holiness).

  • http://doorwaybuck.com CM Sackett

    NOTE: Danny, the following is NOT about your 'person'… it is fully about the POSITIONS you posted above.

    Danny,

    You are as articulate as you are either misguided, or complicit.

    1. If you abhor the label of socialist/communist/Mao-Castro-Chavez-lover, sympathizer and disciple… then ABHOR THOSE OF YOUR LEADERS who have, WITH THEIR OWN MOUTHS (it's all on video and/or audio tape) claiming just that.

    NOTE: Oh, that would, of a necessity, mean that you must abhor/castigate/aschew/despise AND DEPOSE the ONE who sought them out (each and every one of the above mentioned czars/advisers, not to mention judges/cabinet members of same stripe), and brought them UNCONSTITUTIONALLY into positions of POWER (I am confident you surely know of the constitutional/historical/legal process of bringing cabinet members into an administration… AND that while 'czars'/advisers have been around since Cain built his city in the land of Nod, NEVER… EVER in the history of this nation have unvetted, back-door'd 'advisers'/'czars' been granted ANY legislative power… let alone the vast, Constitution-KILLING, economy-RAPING, rights-MURDERING, nation-SHAMING signet ring of 'authority' these DOGS of YOUR 'hero' have excercised in just 15 months… EVER.).

    If you feel 'offended', 'outraged' and 'wrongfully' ascribed the name COMMUNIST, MAOIST, CHAVEZite, AMERICA-HATING enemy of this Republic… then denounce EVERY member of the current occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania's czarship… AND THE MAN WHO BROUGHT THEM TO POWER.

    …I will gladly, publicly apologize for such referencing.

    OH, BTW. We, as a nation, did indeed FIGHT AGAINST this nation-ruining, people-enslaving garbage… FOR DECADES. You for that fight ~ or against it?

    2. I'll heartily grant you Danny that 'scenes like this' are NOT the 'only ways to express patriotism'… but they damn-sure ARE WONDERFUL ONES, deserving of EVERY AMERICAN'S SUPPORT!

    Agree? Or DISagree?

    NOTE: I'll give you some more ways American Citizens have showed their PATRIOTISM over 233 years:

    A. Volunteering to defend this Republic
    B. Serving, with Honor, when drafted
    C. Getting up every morning and working, rather than screaming for 'rights' (HANDOUTS)
    D. Teaching their children to RESPECT the Constitution, the Flag, the History of CHARACTER and SACRIFICE of other American Citizens

    …it's a very long list, Danny. But you should get the point of it.

    Oh, and those ways have NEVER included “apologizing” for this Nation (as a nation). As I penned elsewhere, every man, and institution of man is fallible, and has actions, events and times of their existence that demand correction, confession and repentance from repeat. 600,000+ American citizens (North and South) gave the last full measure, and well over 1,000,000 of that generation had the fabric of their very existence sheared and shredded irreparably in the correction of the heinous practice of one man believing he had the 'right' to 'own' another (colors be damned… 'dark' folk STILL own 'dark' folk in Africa. It's the PRACTICE THAT'S WRONG… NOT THE COLOR MIX!). Confession was made, REPEATEDLY (surely you can read as well as you type… check out the documents of that period, especially those of Lincoln, for a start of verification). And, UNTIL NOW, the bold attempt to repeat that gutless, selfish, godless practice has NEVER been repeated on the soil of this Republic… (the notion of one man/group knowing 'better' what an entire population should wear, drive, eat, read, watch, THINK is as stupidly cruel as it's older cousin that was slain in the 1860s).

    LAST ONE… I'm out of time, at the moment, and the point is either made, or lost on you.

    3. NO man, who truly “loves” anything (be it country, wife, child, dog, or Plymouth K Car)

    a. Publicly DERIDES it
    b. Repeatedly, PUBLICLY 'apologizes' for its 'stupidity', meanness, ignorance, history, etc…. to strangers, and damn-sure NOT TO SWORN ENEMIES!
    c. Publicly and REPEATEDLY pits one part of itself AGAINST ANOTHER PART OF ITSELF (for the specific purpose of destroying BOTH)!
    d. Takes away EVERY SINGLE instrument of independent growth, prosperity, and the God-given RIGHT of personally/independently PURSUING HAPPINESS of that object of his 'love' (all for their own 'good', of course) and IMMEDIATELY BEGIN THE DISMANTLING AND DESTRUCTION OF THEM ALL

    …the list is too long and egregiously vomitous to continue, but such an articulate soul as yourself can 'get the picture', and take it back to your fellow 'lovers' of this great Republic, and disseminate it to their level of understanding.

    In short, Danny, BULLSH#T.

    That sort of 'love' is nothing more than the purposed, strategic SADISTIC, SOCIOPATHIC torture of the object of such 'love', with the death of the 'beloved' the ultimate goal (while enjoying the writhing agony caused by the process)… and worthy of high crimes and misdemeanors.

    Most Tea Partiers… get that.

    CM Sackett

  • williamm

    “most tea party members really don't understand that Barack Obama loves this country “

    Obama: “We are ..Days Away From Fundamentally Transforming The United States of America”+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    If anyone loves this country, why would they want to fundamentally transform it?

    Michelle Obama proclaimed yesterday that for “the first time” in her adult life,” she was proud of America, as she spoke during a rally to support her husband’s presidential bid.

    I didn't see much love for our country in what she said in 2008.

    It's obvious the Obama's love for this country is in what they want to change it into.
    A socialist country even tho socialism is failing in all parts of the world.

    Margaret Thatcher ” Socialist governments traditionally do make a financial mess. They always run out of other people's money. It's quite a characteristic of them. “

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Vandy-Fiedler/100000634385071 Vandy Fiedler

    This is so worth sharing. Whether you support the Tea Party or not, please take a look at this. This Nation is losing site of where we started and the foundation on which this Country was built.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/U7LQAHKQMWAXNV3PT4SPJ4ZKTY Danny

    I don't have time to compose a response to this right now but check back in 24 hours or so. I hope to continue this discussion.

  • http://doorwaybuck.com CM Sackett

    …will do, Danny.

    Oh, while you're working on the research for your reply, you might wish to check a few more of the 'facts' in your original:

    1. There is NO record… ANYWHERE of Francis Scott Key petitioning Congress to make that line (from the 4th stanza) our “official” national motto. It was a poignant, proper and powerful component of the whole thought of that stanza.

    NOTE: The genesis of the poem (from whence we get “The Star-Spangled Banner”) was not a 'religious' pilgrimage, but rather a fervent (and ultimately successful) attempt for the young attorney/friend of a Dr. William Beanes to win his release from the British Navy. It was while under armed escort of the British Admiral's son's men that Mr. Key was forced to wait out the battle between the British attacking fleet and the self-preserving, steel-backed citizens of Baltimore, who were facing an unprecedented onslaught of rockets and cannonade fire (it truly was… check it out).

    The interminable night-watch of such a battle, and the subsequent sighting of “OLD GLORY” waving the next dawn, from the battlements… gave birth to this astounding, but totally understandable flow of thought, thanks and patriotic pride.

    But again, NO record… of Mr. Key EVER petitioning the government to make that one line our official 'national motto'.

    Truth is a wonderful, FEARSOME thing.

    2. “Arabic Christians/Jews use the word Allah to refer to His holiness.” ~DANNY~

    You sure you don't wish to 'edit' that line out of your post (I will do likewise here, to save you any further shame and public humiliation, I assure you). Oh, and please look a bit further than 'wiki-pedia' for your sources…

    FACT: With the possible exception of barney franks, no JEW, of ANY sect of Judaism, uses the Arab term for THEIR 'god' (no likeness or assimilation with the God of Israel, even from the muslim texts is found). Here are a few that Jews, Arabic Christians, and Christians who want folks to know they've gone to college might use to call Him:

    1. Jehovah
    2. Jehovah Jireh ~ “God will provide”
    3. Elohim ~ God
    4. Jehovah Shammah ~ “God Is There”
    5. El Shaddai ~ God ALMIGHTY
    6. Jehovah Shalom ~ “God Is Peace”
    7. Jehovah Rophe ~ “God Heals”
    8. Jehovah/Yahweh ~ the term He used for Himself… “I AM”
    9. El Elyon ~ the most high God
    10. Adonai ~ “Master”
    11. ABBA ~ “Father/Daddy”

    and finally, for the moment:

    3. “beside the much contested establishment clause, the only other mention of religion in the Constitution is to expressly forbid the application of religious litmus tests for government positions” ~DANNY~

    Bless your young GOOGLE'd heart…

    Please feel free to READ the Constitution: http://www.wallbuilders.com/LIBissuesArticles.a

    and realize that the framework and PURPOSE of the Constitution was to LAY OUT THE PARAMETERS, PARTICULARS… AND LIMITS OF THE GOVERNMENT'S REACH UPON THE PEOPLE AND THEIR GOD-GIVEN RIGHTS… PERIOD. (even the 'hero' of Progressive America-haters knew this:

    In a 2001 radio interview, Obama said:

    “If you look at the victories and failures of the civil rights movement and its litigation strategy in the court, I think where it succeeded was to invest formal rights in previously dispossessed people, so that now I would have the right to vote. I would now be able to sit at the lunch counter and order and as long as I could pay for it I’d be OK

    But, the Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth, and of more basic issues such as political and economic justice in society. To that extent, as radical as I think people try to characterize the Warren Court, it wasn't that radical. It didn't break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the Founding Fathers in the Constitution, at least as it's been interpreted, and the Warren Court interpreted in the same way, that generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties. Says what the states can't do to you. Says what the federal government can't do to you, but doesn't say what the federal government or state government must do on your behalf.” ~current occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue~

    Danny, you truly are a gifted fitter-of-words. With better and TRUER thoughts and principles, you could easily become a MIGHTY force for GOOD!

    Without real Facts, and solid TRUTH… you'll never rise above the level of gadfly.

    With True Respect For Your Gift, and Sincerest Hopes For Your Future In All That's Good and Right;

    CM Sackett

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Tracy-Mathias/100000733605342 Tracy Mathias

    If we forget the past , we will make the same mistakes , GOD BLESS THE UNITED STATES , REMEMBER NOVEMBER

  • http://www.facebook.com/marty.sulek Marty Sulek

    With all due respect to my many American friends, I just wanted to point out that Key composed that song during the battle of Baltimore (1814), one of the turning points of the War of 1812. The British colonial forces in Canada were a decisive factor in that war, if not that particular battle. As a Canadian, then, I want to celebrate my country's role in helping provide a worthy opponent for Key's expression of the resolve of the American nation in the face of adversity. I should also mention that we've been at peace since time, and steadfast allies for most of it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/marty.sulek Marty Sulek

    With all due respect to my many American friends, I just wanted to point out that Key composed that song during the battle of Baltimore (1814), one of the turning points of the War of 1812. The British colonial forces in Canada were a decisive factor in that war, if not that particular battle. As a Canadian, then, I want to celebrate my country's role in helping provide a worthy opponent for Key's expression of the resolve of the American nation in the face of adversity. I should also mention that we've been at peace since time, and steadfast allies for most of it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1542263504 Theresa Foster

    I never even knew there was a second verse to our national anthem

  • KeninMontana

    Not to wade into the middle of a discussion or debate, But , to point out a misconception about the name “Allah”. In Arabic “Allah”, translates to “The only one to be worshiped”.The name originates with the pagan Moon God of the ancient Arabs and was still being worshiped in Mohammed's time. Mohammed took this pagan deity, brushing aside his sister Goddesses and based his new religion upon this framework. Even the method of worship was usurped, facing east towards Mecca ( the religious center even for the pagans). His motives? Quite possibly to head off what he saw as the encroachment of Judaism or even Christianity in the region,as well as a convenience in converting pagan Arabs to his new faith. The name “Allah” was also commonly used as a part of names for male children prior to the rise of Islam. It is not used by Arabs of other faiths for the name of God, in reference to the God of Judaism and Christianity.

  • KeninMontana

    Thank you but the majority of Americans are aware of when and where The Star Spangled Banner was composed. We actually refer to it as The Bombardment of Fort McHenry during the Siege of Baltimore.

  • http://twitter.com/ozziecastillo Ozzie Castillo

    At first I was going to post another version of the National Anthem, but I listened to about 15 different singers do it- Most individual- I listened to this because I was hoping to be impressed- AND it blew my mind- These kids are probably 10 years old and even though they use multiple voices to accomplish the way it should sound- It is my 2nd favorite NA variety- My first is Christina Aguilera, but she deviates from the original way the song was probably made.

    This is friggin amazing- IMO

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQMf8o47Q_g&feat

    I think that was the way it was supposed to done- new link below- I guess they do this often, this one is better
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dROtmQVYcQg&feat

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/U7LQAHKQMWAXNV3PT4SPJ4ZKTY Danny

    CM,

    Yikes, where to begin. I guess, first of all thanks for the compliments on my writing. If there's any single skill that I've worked on over the course of my life it's that one, so it's good to hear that even those who demonize my world-view at least feel I'm eloquent in stating it. Someone as talented with words as yourself, though, I imagine already knows that good writers start off as good readers. So if you think I'm uninformed, which you clearly do, then I will enjoy having the opportunity to prove you wrong.

    Also, please do us both a favor and drop the condescension. Don’t think I haven’t read the Constitution, and if you're going to try and present me as uninformed, try linking to a copy of the Constitution that appears on the website of someone other than a hack like David Barton, okay? Who's next, Mat Staver? It'd be like me giving you something and then citing Howard Zinn – the only difference, of course, being that Zinn is an actual historian while Barton is a demagogue who doesn't stand up to even the slightest intellectual scrutiny. And I say this having read “Original Intent”.

    Finally, let me say that you're going to notice some delay in my responses – and I'm only going to take on the first half or so of what you've said today. Although I know you think that this is because I'm furiously researching away to try and get an edge over you, rest assured it's not – most of the claims you've made require almost no outside research to refute. Rather it's because you and I have a 13-16 hour time difference (assuming you live in the Continental US) and I have a lot of other things that I have to do: I am a graduate student (in Japanese Literature – a language which I did not start learning until college) with papers to write, plus I TA an undergraduate seminar entitled 堕落と文学:澁澤龍彦を対象として, teach an introductory class on reading classical Japanese for freshmen & foreign students, work part-time as a translator (I'm currently translating documents pursuant to the case against Toyota), and I build and sell guitar amps and effects pedals, for which I’ve conveniently received rather large orders over the past several days, not to mention a girlfriend who says I don’t spend enough time with her.

    Okay, so let’s move on to the good stuff

    .
    1) This argument is as tired as it is inane. I’m glad we agree that executives have always had advisors by their side and that we agree that there is a constitutional process that guides the process by which federal officers to whom executive power is delegated in some capacity. Furthermore, I imagine that we are in agreement that this process is based less on the text of the constitution itself and more on long standing precedent that has more or less been in place since George Washington first took office (i.e. the constitution does not establish a cabinet). Finally, I hope we can agree that the first president to appoint a large number of czars unilaterally was, in fact, his predecessor – whom, I imagine an independent constitutionalist such as yourself would have loathed as much as I did (cf http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/Czars.pdf).

    (Although I do not find them quite as sinister as you do, I too am slightly miffed that President Obama has maintained some of the more problematic practices of the Bush administration when it comes to exercising executive power, but that’s besides the point.)

    Now, you make the following claims rather forcefully:

    1) That the executive czars consist of people who have endorsed communist policies in open forums.

    2) That, in addition to their problematic beliefs, they have been granted extraconstitutional powers so broad that they pose an existential threat to the country.

    3) That, in appointing these people, Barack Obama has implicitly condoned everything that they each might stand for individually.

    To begin, I will say that although I am not nearly as involved in the conservative intellectual community as you appear to be, I would say that the primary targets of conservative ire have been Van Jones, Anita Dunn, Cass Sunstein, and John Holdren. If there are others that you feel are particularly objectionable, I’d be happy to take a look at them.

    Van Jones resigned, so way to go. We know that in 1992 he self-identified as a communist and participated in some pretty radical non-violent activities, we know that he is an extremely accomplished and well-respected attorney and environmental advocate, and that he might have some peripheral ideological sympathies with the 9/11 truth movement. Should this disqualify him from holding an unsalaried advisory position in his area of expertise with no power beyond giving the president ideas? Personally, I don’t think so – the things he believes are probably no more odious than, say, the beliefs espoused by John Ashcroft – and a little diversity of viewpoints never hurt anybody. Maybe if he were installed as the new head of the unilaterally established “Department of Economic Restructuring and Wealth Redistribution” or something, I’d object, but I don’t see what the big deal was. It looks like my opinion, however, was not the popularly held one, and so Van Jones resigned. Democracy in action, right?

    So let’s move onto Anita Dunn. Anita Dunn made some controversial comments about Fox News (that were actually, in some respects, true. Cf Scott McClellan – who worked in the Bush Administration for 3 years – on Hardball: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25885493/ [it’s a transcript]) that perhaps were best kept to herself. She also made a rather bungled attempt at metaphor during a high school graduation where she came off as sounding somewhat admiring of Mao Tse Tung and Mother Theresa, one of whom was undeniably evil and the other of whom was a charlatan – although it is still P.C. to admire Mother Theresa. Yes, I believe it was an unfortunate choice on her part and yes I believe that had she said “Hitler” instead of Mao – who similarly fought against all odds, inspired millions, and achieved what few thought possible, and who similarly had a special rung of hell reserved for him when he got there – there would have been a lot more uproar. I do, however, also think that this is as much a result of the very different historical legacies that Mao and Hitler left – where Hitler failed and earned universal scorn, Mao arguably succeeded in what he was trying to accomplish and continues to be relatively highly regarded among the people of China* – and I don’t think that her statement should be construed as endorsing the actions of Chairman Mao whole-cloth. Rest assured that if I thought she was legitimately genocidal, I would have been right by your side yelling about all of this. But this is neither here nor there because she wasn’t a Czar and she held an interim position and is no longer there, so none of this even matters.

    Finally, Cass Sunstein and John Holdren. Ignoring the fact that both of these people are respected scholars and assuming that someone as intelligent as yourself can understand the difference between academic theorizing and advocating policy. Furthermore, both of them were confirmed by the Senate – Holdren unanimously, no less [ cf http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ntquery/z?nomis:1... - keep the colon on the end of the URL] , so any claims that they represent an unconstitutional power grab fall flat unless they try to exercise some sort of extraconstitutional authority, which at least as of now they have not.

    At any rate, you claim that the czars somehow form this shadow-government that is destroying this country, I say that they are largely unpaid posts that independently wield no power and exist entirely to use their expertise to advise the president as he tries to make decisions. My simple challenge to you is this: name for me three initiatives that have been undertaken explicitly by any of the czars who were appointed without confirmation, that have been carried out in their name, and that hold the power of law or executive directive, or have been attempted to be enforced as such by the executive branch. They don’t even have to be things that the executive branch could not otherwise do, any exercise of state power solely by unconfirmed officials will suffice.

    I don’t have time to write any more tonight, but I’ll be back tomorrow to take on a few more of your claims. Do me a favor and brush up on the text of the Massachusetts Constitution of 1780 (http://www.nhinet.org/ccs/docs/ma-1780.htm) if you’re not already familiar with it.

    I will, however, take a brief moment to play a fun little game called “following Glenn Beck’s logic, literally everybody can be linked to some sort of radical extreme of their view that they would otherwise never endorse, which is why this whole guilt by association thing that he and Hannity keep doing is totally unproductive and also pretty damn stupid.” Yes, I agree that the name needs work.

    Hmm, let’s see, you seem like a pretty solid libertarian in some respects, so, while I don’t know where you stand on things like gay marriage, I think we can both agree that what happens behind closed doors between consenting adults is nobody else’s business, yes?

    Okay, so let’s have at it: you posted a link to the Constitution as it appears on Wallbuilders, an organization founded by David Barton. David Barton is extremely close with a Christian legal advocacy group called Liberty Council (http://www.lc.org) to the point that the organization was offering his book Original Intent to anyone who contributed a certain amount of money to the organization (I forget the specific amount but I can find it if you want). The “Director of Cultural Affairs” at Liberty Council is a man named Matt Barber. Matt Barber sits on a board at an organization called Americans for Truth, which is founded and run by a man named Peter LaBarbera. Peter LaBarbera roundly condemned the Supreme Court ruling in Lawrence v Texas that ruled that criminalizing sodomy constituted an equal protection violation – i.e. states could not criminalize gay sex between consenting adults, therefore you support allowing the state to regulate consensual sex between adults of the same sex. (Now, if we decide to really Beck this up, I could go ahead and say that by saying the government can regulate sex between consenting adults of the same sex, what’s to stop them from regulating sex between opposite-sex couples? Sexual behavior by individuals? That argument could be taken to eugenics super-quickly but instead I think I will accuse you of implicitly supporting a government that could tell me that I’m not allowed to have sex with my girlfriend until we are married, and then only under certain circumstances, because that fits in more neatly with the values that Barton espouses).

    Also, I kind of made that argument longer than I needed to because it was more fun that way. Matt Barber himself denounced Lawrence v Texas when he was working at Concerned Women for America as their Policy Director for Cultural Issues. Matt Barber also denounced the play Angels in America; Angels in America is a drama, a form that traces its origins back to Ancient Athens. Ancient Athens was the earliest example of some form of democratic government in history which strongly influenced our founding fathers, therefore Matt Barber and, by proxy, you, hate democratic forms of government, the founding fathers, and America. (So that last one was a bit of a stretch, but it's fun mental aerobics!)

    Heck, let’s stick with Matt Barber a little longer, shall we? Again, the line goes from Barton → Liberty Council → Barber. So, Matt Barber is published semi-regularly on worldnetdaily, which is widely acknowledged to be the birther movement’s internet citadel of sorts, Q.E.D. you are a birther.

    What about this one? I’m going to assume from the tenor of your writing and your ire for progressives that you’ve taken at least some interest in what Glenn Beck has to say, right? If not, I will link you to Glenn Beck through Liberty Council, which has both explicitly and implicitly endorse aspects of Mr. Beck’s philosophy, which by Mr. Beck’s logic means that they endorse everything that he might say or do.

    Alright, so Glenn Beck is a Mormon, a church which directly led to the creation of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints – and both utilize the same Scriptures (nevermind that the LDS church has explicitly denounced the organization, if it wasn’t good enough for Obama to denounce Pentagon bombings that occurred when he was eight, then we should not let the LDS church get away with a church that literally would not exist without them**) Warren Jeffs, among other things, is believed to have sexually assaulted his own nephews when they were kindergarten age as well as for both engaging in and facilitating the rape of countless underage girls and for practicing bigamy. Therefore Glenn Beck, and, by proxy, you, condone… well, you get the point.

    For now,

    Danny

    * (moved to the bottom because it’s important but will distract from the main point) and while we all, myself included, like to condemn China’s pitiful record on human rights, we all, myself included, are tacitly aware of the fact that the extremely high standard of living to which we are all accustomed is made possible in part by the extremely oppressive political economy under which the Chinese are forced to live. Let’s take, for example, guitars because the distinction between US and Chinese built instruments is so obvious and because I like them.
    Here’s the guitar I play: http://scottvintageguitars.com/shopping/images/… (not this exact one, but the same model) – it’s gorgeous, sounds incredible, and is completely hand-built in the USA. Also, it cost me $1200 — and it is one of the more affordable USA built guitars (with the recession the way it is you can get one now for $999, but they’ve been cutting corners left and right). Now, if your kid, for example, wants to learn how to play the electric guitar, you’re not going to buy him one of these to get him started – hell, I started playing when I was 12 and I didn’t get that guitar until I had graduated college and earned enough money to buy it myself – you’ll probably get him something closer to this: http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Squi… which actually sounds great and is solid as a rock and costs $180. Why? Because the Chinese government forces people to put up with such a low standard of living that it’s actually about $1,000 cheaper for Fender to contract out the building to a factory in China and pay to have it shipped to the US for sale than to build it in the US, where people expect a living wage and health benefits).

    ** Although I’m not religious I do not mean to impugn the establishment LDS church. I disagree with them on a number of issues, but I don’t hold any animosity towards them or their members. I’m using this example because, well, if Glenn Beck attacked the LDS Church in the same way he attacks his political enemies, I think we all could agree that he would probably try and bring this up.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/U7LQAHKQMWAXNV3PT4SPJ4ZKTY Danny

    So? The only reason Christmas is in December and involves a tree was to get Roman and German pagans on board. That's how religion works.

    As for your other claim, it involves a bit more involved an explanation and I will deal with it at some point when it's not 3:00 AM and I have a class to teach at 9:00.

  • KeninMontana

    I'm aware of the use of pagan festivals in conversion,co-opting the existing holidays and festivals in what amounts to “missionary” work is considerably different than corrupting an existing religion by taking the name of it's primary God along with its holiest site and replacing it a new belief system. In other words Christianity grew out of Judaism (actually messianic Judaism, I believe) on the acceptance and belief that Jesus of Nazareth was the Messiah promised by God, it retained the belief in the God of Judaism and acknowledges it in its teachings only adding the teachings of Jesus to it.
    To clarify further on the name “Allah”, it is similar to the Aramaic “ELAH” which translates to God. This is where the confusion comes from.

  • KeninMontana

    I'm aware of the use of pagan festivals in conversion,co-opting the existing holidays and festivals in what amounts to “missionary” work is considerably different than corrupting an existing religion by taking the name of it's primary God along with its holiest site and replacing it a new belief system. In other words Christianity grew out of Judaism (actually messianic Judaism, I believe) on the acceptance and belief that Jesus of Nazareth was the Messiah promised by God, it retained the belief in the God of Judaism and acknowledges it in its teachings only adding the teachings of Jesus to it.
    To clarify further on the name “Allah”, it is similar to the Aramaic “ELAH” which translates to God. This is where the confusion comes from.

  • KeninMontana

    I'm aware of the use of pagan festivals in conversion,co-opting the existing holidays and festivals in what amounts to “missionary” work is considerably different than corrupting an existing religion by taking the name of it's primary God along with its holiest site and replacing it a new belief system. In other words Christianity grew out of Judaism (actually messianic Judaism, I believe) on the acceptance and belief that Jesus of Nazareth was the Messiah promised by God, it retained the belief in the God of Judaism and acknowledges it in its teachings only adding the teachings of Jesus to it.
    To clarify further on the name “Allah”, it is similar to the Aramaic “ELAH” which translates to God. This is where the confusion comes from.

  • KeninMontana

    I'm aware of the use of pagan festivals in conversion,co-opting the existing holidays and festivals in what amounts to “missionary” work is considerably different than corrupting an existing religion by taking the name of it's primary God along with its holiest site and replacing it a new belief system. In other words Christianity grew out of Judaism (actually messianic Judaism, I believe) on the acceptance and belief that Jesus of Nazareth was the Messiah promised by God, it retained the belief in the God of Judaism and acknowledges it in its teachings only adding the teachings of Jesus to it.
    To clarify further on the name “Allah”, it is similar to the Aramaic “ELAH” which translates to God. This is where the confusion comes from.

  • KeninMontana

    I'm aware of the use of pagan festivals in conversion,co-opting the existing holidays and festivals in what amounts to “missionary” work is considerably different than corrupting an existing religion by taking the name of it's primary God along with its holiest site and replacing it a new belief system. In other words Christianity grew out of Judaism (actually messianic Judaism, I believe) on the acceptance and belief that Jesus of Nazareth was the Messiah promised by God, it retained the belief in the God of Judaism and acknowledges it in its teachings only adding the teachings of Jesus to it.
    To clarify further on the name “Allah”, it is similar to the Aramaic “ELAH” which translates to God. This is where the confusion comes from.

  • KeninMontana

    I'm aware of the use of pagan festivals in conversion,co-opting the existing holidays and festivals in what amounts to “missionary” work is considerably different than corrupting an existing religion by taking the name of it's primary God along with its holiest site and replacing it a new belief system. In other words Christianity grew out of Judaism (actually messianic Judaism, I believe) on the acceptance and belief that Jesus of Nazareth was the Messiah promised by God, it retained the belief in the God of Judaism and acknowledges it in its teachings only adding the teachings of Jesus to it.
    To clarify further on the name “Allah”, it is similar to the Aramaic “ELAH” which translates to God. This is where the confusion comes from.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ronnie-Teresa-Baker/100000367101666 Ronnie Teresa Baker

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jill-Yager/1169046416 Jill Yager

    It's about time we get back to the real world. I love my country, Don't you???

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    It's about time we get back to the real world. I love my country, Don't you???

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    It's about time we get back to the real world. I love my country, Don't you???

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    It's about time we get back to the real world. I love my country, Don't you???

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    It's about time we get back to the real world. I love my country, Don't you???

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    It's about time we get back to the real world. I love my country, Don't you???

  • KeninMontana

    As an aside a great site for exploring the founding documents is;
    http://www.foundingfathers.info/

  • http://www.facebook.com/ericpiercearlington Eric Pierce

    this guy sings pretty good

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=740053000 Connie Bee

    This is truly inspiring. We need to all learn this forgotten verse

  • http://doorwaybuck.com CM Sackett

    Danny,

    WELL DONE, my friend (spoken truthfully… any HONEST, forthright man is my friend, on those facets of Character)!

    I am on my way to speak at the South Fork Ranch (J.R.'s old haunt), and a visit with good friends in W. Texas… be gone for 6 days. Don't know about net access for the next 3 days (hunting ranch, in the boonies), and will be engaged with the meeting I'm speaking for, over the next 2.

    If I can find this thread after that (or have access/time in the meantime), I shall most certainly catch up with any further thoughts from you.

    …and yes, I was too condescending. The tit-for-tat was to your first post (the oft-repeated use of the utterly fallacious “Most Tea Partiers don't…” was an excellent primer). My apologies. Not for condescension, as a whole (there are those, of various 'beliefs' and thought processes for whom even it is more than they merit) ~ but for misreading the whole of your knowledge and intellect, and utilizing it unnecessarily.

    Again, my apologies for that.

    ___________________________________________

    I will attempt to make time later this evening (CST ~ U.S.A.) to give reply to some of the above-crafted thoughts. And thank you for the thorough presentation of same.

    Until Then,
    Sackett

    BTW, nice old GIBSON. I play a TAYLOR 710 CE (grew up in the 70s, playing Croce, JT, Loggins-n-Messina, Fogelberg, etc.).

    Oh, and those type “word” games is what got you and I off to an unnecessarily 'wrong' foot start… I believe I will leave it at that.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/U7LQAHKQMWAXNV3PT4SPJ4ZKTY Danny

    You're right, and the condescension in my original post was a result of irritation from the post to which I was responding. But reading my above comments, although I tried to be thorough, I suppose I did come off as snarkier than I would like at points. I plead guilty to that, though, and I suppose moving forward we ought be as civil to each other as you've been above. Lobbing sardonic bombs will get us nowhere. Hell, maybe we can even find some common ground between the two of us on some things (actually, I'm positive that we can, but that will be forthcoming in my next post, which also might take a day or two).

    Enjoy your trip and shoot a reply if you get the chance, as I will finish up responding to your other points in the interim.

    As for the word games of sort, I more or less intended to stir the pot and get on your nerves, if only to prove the following point: Glenn Beck can say what he wants about progressives, but all of the comparisons and connections he make sound about that ludicrous to people who don't subscribe to what he says, including the implication that left-leaning democrats somehow believe that they know better than everyone else how people should live.

    I actually think Jon Stewart said it best when he said “Is it possible that by believing that we could benefit from a regulatory body that would ensure that there's no lead in our toys and poison in our toothpaste that I want us to become China? The same country, ironically, that is putting the lead in our toys and poison in our toothpaste?”

    Rest assured that, while I don't support eliminating social safety net as a whole, progressives also view young, able-bodied individuals who otherwise could work and is choosing not to in order to receive welfare as a pestilence on society. Those types of people should either go out and work or starve to death if they don't want to earn their keep, period. Unfortunately, the argument isn't always that simple, but more on that later, I've gotta go do some research.

    P.S. A Taylor 710-CE? Allow me to wipe the jealousy off my face ;)

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  • http://doorwaybuck.com CM Sackett

    5:56 AM (CST),

    Out the door in two… but wanted to check in one more time.

    Aye, to much of what you said above. I do have thoughts (and even a few facts) for your reply post (with V Jones, etc.), but the clock won't quit ticking… and the road waits.

    One thing.

    “Diversity” (as over-used, twisted and formed into a cattle prod of “freedom” and shame, to drive UNITY out of a people ~ the whole “E Pluribus Unum” was a good thing) is one thing.

    1. Choosing to utterly surround oneself with ideologues of the same, exact type (regardless of that “type”) is NOT in any way, shape or form “diverse”

    2. Choosing (in every single case, from czars~to supreme court nominees) people you don't agree with, on things as foundational and potentially catastrophic to the nation you've promised to “heal”, and more importantly, the CONSTITUTION you gave a solemn oath to “PROTECT AND DEFEND” (the ULTIMATE and PRIMARY function of all elected high officials/SERVANTS OF THE PEOPLE)

    …is nonsensical, at very best. And the scenarios and reasons behind such behavior fall, at light-speed, from there.

    NOTE: Lincoln was, indeed, a master at bringing together non-linear (and in many ways incompatible, with each other AND him) leaders and forging an alliance, based on 2-3 primary goals. I'm sure you're aware of the fairly substantial work published a few years ago “A Team Of Rivals”, which dealt with just that facet of Lincoln's character and leadership methods.

    The current resident of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave., by virtue of clear and daily repeated evidence… ain't no Lincoln in that department.

    Point?

    Just this. If the man was not in CLOSE agreement, if not lock-step with the idealogies and resulting CONSISTENT “suggestions” for policy… and policy makers, then the American people would not have had to rip the moderate “pose” from Van's facade (remember his line about giving up the 'radical pose' to meet the 'radical ends'?)… the man in our House would have never let him in the door.

    But I digress, and the road hasn't shortened one inch.

    Enjoy your week (ALL of you fine folk)!

    Oh, and completely aside… do they still sell ZATOICHI movies there (the original cinematic wonders of Shintarō Katsu)? I have a fair collection of the TV series, but miss the movies very much.

    …Ichi's Character (as in, core 'self') is, to me, a pure and worthy thing… Ronin or not.

    CM Sackett

  • http://doorwaybuck.com CM Sackett

    5:56 AM (CST),

    Out the door in two… but wanted to check in one more time.

    Aye, to much of what you said above. I do have thoughts (and even a few facts) for your reply post (with V Jones, etc.), but the clock won't quit ticking… and the road waits.

    One thing.

    “Diversity” (as over-used, twisted and formed into a cattle prod of “freedom” and shame, to drive UNITY out of a people ~ the whole “E Pluribus Unum” was a good thing) is one thing.

    1. Choosing to utterly surround oneself with ideologues of the same, exact type (regardless of that “type”) is NOT in any way, shape or form “diverse”

    2. Choosing (in every single case, from czars~to supreme court nominees) people you don't agree with, on things as foundational and potentially catastrophic to the nation you've promised to “heal”, and more importantly, the CONSTITUTION you gave a solemn oath to “PROTECT AND DEFEND” (the ULTIMATE and PRIMARY function of all elected high officials/SERVANTS OF THE PEOPLE)

    …is nonsensical, at very best. And the scenarios and reasons behind such behavior fall, at light-speed, from there.

    NOTE: Lincoln was, indeed, a master at bringing together non-linear (and in many ways incompatible, with each other AND him) leaders and forging an alliance, based on 2-3 primary goals. I'm sure you're aware of the fairly substantial work published a few years ago “A Team Of Rivals”, which dealt with just that facet of Lincoln's character and leadership methods.

    The current resident of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave., by virtue of clear and daily repeated evidence… ain't no Lincoln in that department.

    Point?

    Just this. If the man was not in CLOSE agreement, if not lock-step with the idealogies and resulting CONSISTENT “suggestions” for policy… and policy makers, then the American people would not have had to rip the moderate “pose” from Van's facade (remember his line about giving up the 'radical pose' to meet the 'radical ends'?)… the man in our House would have never let him in the door.

    But I digress, and the road hasn't shortened one inch.

    Enjoy your week (ALL of you fine folk)!

    Oh, and completely aside… do they still sell ZATOICHI movies there (the original cinematic wonders of Shintarō Katsu)? I have a fair collection of the TV series, but miss the movies very much.

    …Ichi's Character (as in, core 'self') is, to me, a pure and worthy thing… Ronin or not.

    CM Sackett

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=765459208 Susan Byers-Tedrow

    AMEN!!!!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Susan-Wise-Barringer/1295618081 Susan Wise Barringer

    Wonderful testament of faith! You need to listen. Thanks for God-fearing and God-praising men!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Susan-Wise-Barringer/1295618081 Susan Wise Barringer

    AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=765459208 Susan Byers-Tedrow

    AMEN!!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Harry-Taylor/100000591896697 Harry Taylor

    Well worth listening…

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1352266285 Brenda Watring

    Praise God for this man. See how easy something can be dropped out of society and forgotten in no time! We should demand the 2nd stanza be sung also! Thank you dear Patriot for your bravery, on both battlefields: your war service and this current war to take back our godly heritage.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ray-Derry/1624419285 Ray Derry

    Where do you stand as an American? I stand on Gods grace, and put my trust fully on Him.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Nadine-Pfeiffer-Middendorf/1549081837 Nadine Pfeiffer Middendorf

    Everyone needs to sere this inspiring gentleman!!!!!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/bmoneyheffer Beth Armington Moneyheffer

    This brought a lump to my throat and a tear to my eye. Very touching! And the second verse of the Anthem…..I've previously never heard it and I loved it!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mary-Jane-Metcalfe-Vaughan/1663369493 Mary Jane Metcalfe Vaughan

    Watch this! You will appreciate it!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Alicia-Ocanas/1436352765 Alicia Ocanas

    A must see and hear…brought tears to my eyes….

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000152146209 Kim Loos-Shutway

    Awesome, awesome, awesome.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Sharon-Hill/1518985613 Sharon Hill

    Hope everyone enjoys this as much as I did….

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Sharon-Hill/1518985613 Sharon Hill

    Hope everyone enjoys this…I thought it was great

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1191094059 Steve Lownes

    Yup!!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/dawn.m.stewart Dawn Stewart

    God bless this nation, guide and direct our President and Congress in spite of the individuals holding the places of power- for we know our God is more powerful than man. May God's will be in earth as it is in Heaven, this day and everyday to come. Add this to all your prayers, there is a reason Jesus taught us how to pray. God gave man the power on earth to take dominion over every living, creeping and flying thing. But the devil stole it when he talked Eve into eating the forbidden fruit. It is now up to the free will of man to decide to give the dominion back to our Heavenly Father. Pray constantly for God's will to be done in your life and in this earth, that the Lord's dominion be regained. Not just in our country, but worldwide. We are the largest christian believing nation which will lose to Muslims just by their sheer numbers within 20 years. If we don't stake the claim and spread the word, who will. We have the truth, don't keep it to yourselves!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/theresac1 Theresa Chambers

    Retired Marine sings 4th verse of the star spangled banner

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=640401892 Robert Jones

    Everyone should watch this video and listen with a good ear to the man singing our National Anthem

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1464925912 Susanna Maria Ax

    Please listen to this former Marine sing the second verse of the National Anthem.
    God bless,
    Susanna Maria Ax

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Linda-Tardy-Long/1182561731 Linda Tardy Long

    If only we would get off our butts and get the word out everyday, we would reconnect with our fellow patriots. Shareing our thoughts and keeping our finger on the pulse of the country is a win, win situation for the nation we love.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Lynn-Orser/1817229712 Lynn Orser

    The discussion between Danny and CM is very interesting. I am not as well educated as either of these gentlemen. I do have a college degree and have read extensively about both politics and the world's living religions. I am an agnostic myself, but believe that believing in something is better than hopelessness. I have read the Constitution and understand that our forefathers were God fearing men. Because of their differing beliefs among themselves, they purposefully stated in the Constitution that the government shall not establish a formal religion. That dose not mean that the wanted the separation of church and state. That concept is raised in the Federalist Papers, and then only briefly. A fact that the progressives use to denigrate any association between religion and government. If you truly study history there are ample facts that show our forefathers that built this nation believed in God and did not expect that their beliefs would be challenged in the future. What truly amazes me is that progressives that do not like America as is was originally structured want to change it rather than find they Utopia elsewhere. This is not the only place in the world. The majority of Americans are happy as conservatives. LEAVE US HAVE OUR NATION BACK!

  • donnalady19

    I am not as well educated as Danny or CM either…but found their dialoging refreshing. I believe that all truth is God's truth. And since He spoke through a jack ass in the old testament…I figure He can use you and me to do the same thing. I came to believe that Jesus Christ was and is the way, the truth, and the life at 19 years of age. I am now 56 years old. I have regretted some churches I have belonged to, some Christians I have met, but I have never regretted knowing Christ Jesus my Lord. I want to challenge Danny,CM and Lynn Orser, to read the bible and Josh McDowell's book, “Evidence that demands a verdict”, Josh was a lawyer atheist or agnostic, I don't remember which, who set out to prove Christianity as a myth. What he discovered was intellectual reasons to believe it to be the truth as evidenced by archeological facts like the Dead Sea Scrolls…remains of cities etc as described in the Bible. There are also a bunch of scientists out in California who run Christian Science Research Institute who use scientific principles to dispute theory of evolution, and make quite a strong scientific intellectual case for the theory of creation. This is the verdict, Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. (John 3:19). If you seek me with your whole heart, you will be found by me says the Lord. He is real…keep on seeking until you truly believe in Him for yourselves. I know, because once I was blind but now I can see.

  • TJ Myers

    AWESOME – Way to go Marines!!! MAY WE KEEP FIGHTING TO KEEP GOD IN AMERICAN AND OUR WORLD.

    I pray GOD, for the safety of our solders that have to fight… And, I pray for our leaders, and teachers, that they may see how important God and Jesus is in all of our lives, because GOD IS LOVE!!!

  • Lorinda

    Thank you for standing up for America, again! May God Bless You!

  • MeganColorado

    Are you kidding me? You are seriously going to blame the Mormon church for crazy off-shoots and link it all to Glenn Beck? …what you don't know is that the Book of Mormon was perserved for those of us living on this continent for our day. It is a historical/spiritual journey of the people who lived here 600 years before Christ, and their dealings with God. If you haven't read it, I would suggest that you consider reading it and considering if it is what it claims to be. History has a way of repeating itself. We won't be the first nation that lived here that called themselves “Christian.” The long and short of it, I have never run into a group of Americans who believe so ferverently that this is a special land that we live in–it is referred to as the promised land; we are so blessed to be here. If you will bare with me, and at least read the following, you might have some insight into the Mormon people and how strongly they believe that we need to be very, very careful about withdrawing from God, and specifically Jesus Christ, as a nation. It is interesting to note that Europe came out of the dark ages after they repelled the Muslims and fought for their Christian beliefs. Those who didn't (the greater majority of the African continent) never seemed to progress as a group of people–far too much poverity and lack of education. What is it about Christian nations that begin to prosper when they fight for the Christian beliefs through persecution? Study it out–it is truly fascinating. The Book of Mormon specifically states that this land is a special land–perserved for those who will recognize Jesus as the Christ–and IF they dwindle in un-belief once they have received so great a blessing, they will be swept off. We are warned, because this is what happened to the last great civilization that occupied the American continents. They received a very strong witness that Jesus is the Christ (His appearance, not less, while he taught them the gospel), and it only took these people 400 years to dwindle in un-belief. Consequently, they were swept off the land. Make no bones about it. This is a special place, reserved for those who would recognize God and Jesus as the Christ. If you take the time to read and consider what was recorded in the Book of Mormon 400 years after Christ visited these people: 1 Nephi 13:11-15: “And it came to pass that the angel said unto me: Behold the wrath of God is upon the seed of they brethren (because they fell away in un-belief). And I looked and beheld a man among the Gentiles, who was seperated from the seed of my brethren by the many waters; and I beheld the Spirit of God, that it came down and wrought upon the man; and he went forth upon the many waters, even unto the seed of my brethern, who were in the promised land. And it came to pass that I beheld the Spirit of God, that it wrought upon other Gentiles; and they went forth out of captivity, upon the many waters. And it came to pass that I beheld the wrath of God, that it was upon the seed of my brethern; and they were scattered before the Gentiles and were smitten. And I beheld the Spirit of the Lord, that it was upon the Gentiles, and they did prospoer and obtain the land for their inheritance…And I beheld that their mother Gentiles were gathered together upon the waters, and upon the land also, to battle against them. And I beheld that the power of God was with them, and also that the wrath of God was upon all those that were gathered together against them to battle. And I, Nephi, beheld that the Gentiles that had gone out of captivity (meaning religious capitivity) were delivered by the power of God out of the hands of all other nations.”

    To treat Christ with such flipant disregard after we have been so blessed as a nation, especially when we once recognized His hand in all things. Well, I guess we can just sit back and wait to see if we get swept off too–just like the native American indians before us–because we have turned out backs on God. It is probably only then that some will recognize that we have come as far as we have come as a nation, because we have been greatly blessed by living Christian principles–not because we are so intellectually superior, so better educated, so better at articulating our own ideas. Personally, I think we are far too arrogant of a people; we believe we don't need God. He is simply a fabrication for the weak-minded. There are far too many people, like Danny, who discredit our Christian roots. I don't think we are going to make it until we have completely fallen as a nation.

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  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/U7LQAHKQMWAXNV3PT4SPJ4ZKTY Danny

    A few things (and CM if you're reading this, I've been swamped with research and it's unlikely that I'm going to be able to sit down and write anything for you until Thursday or so, but hopefully we can pick up where we left off)

    1) I was being sarcastic when I was linking Glenn Beck to all of these things, which I thought was abundantly clear. No, I don't blame the modern LDS church for the fundamentalist LDS church, but if Glenn Beck decided to apply the same standard to the LDS church that he does to the people that he dislikes, you can bet that he would link the two – no matter how ridiculous and strained the link might be – which is the point I was trying to make.

    To Glenn Beck, saying, for example “I believe that Karl Marx' Das Kapital is an important work of economic philosophy that delineates both the positive and negative aspects of the free market system”, makes you a Stalinist and a Maoist that condones genocide and authoritarianism. If he wants to play the fruit of the poison tree game, then he should realize what he's doing.

    2) I've read the Book of Mormon and I know what it claims to be. I am not convinced, but this is a topic that tends to get tempers riled, so I won't go into any more detail unless you'd like me to.

    3) Your reading of history is rather… unique. I'm going to leave what you said about African history alone because it's too ridiculous to address. The United States of America is a great many things, but it is not, and has never been, a “Christian” nation, and Atheists (which I am not) are the fastest growing segment of the population, so buckle your seatbelt.

  • mr138

    Clinton for forcing lowering credit standards from banks so anyone with a heartbeat could get a mortgage.
    Worse, electing a Radical Communist, Marxist, Lenin-Moa loving President (surrounded by same in our WH) who's out to destroy our country and is doing just that with health care that America didn't want.
    The Cap & Trade bill is the biggest Ponsi scheme ever in the world. It make Bernie Madolf look like a penny pick pocket. I personally think he avoided dealing with the gulf oil crisis to push for Cap & tax. Watch Glenn Beck on Fox 5pm daily.

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    Bravo!!!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/janet.wine Janet I. Wine

    We all need to hear this. God bless this man for bringing it to our attention

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Babadu-Cato/1685861186 Babadu Cato

    Awesome. Shame on me for just now seeing this.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Babadu-Cato/1685861186 Babadu Cato

    This is awesome. Shame on me for just now seeing this.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dan-Baran/1010934312 Dan Baran

    Shirley,

    It's time to make the TEA PARTY a legitimate party ;with it's own candidates for PRESIDENT, and ALL government offices, etc/

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dan-Baran/1010934312 Dan Baran

    WHO ARE WE GOING TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES representing the “TEA PARTY ” ? ? It's way past due WE NEED, AND WANT A NEW THIRD PARTY. Make the days of corruption and greed a thing of the past !
    We need laws that allow ” WE THE PEOPLE ” to VOTE politicians OUT of office for their corrupted LYING, THIEVERY, & GREED ! Our sons and daughters are dying for these politicians own personal causes !

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/U7LQAHKQMWAXNV3PT4SPJ4ZKTY Danny

    I'll look into the book when things calm down around here a bit, but I will only state that I'm not an atheist in that I hold out the possibility of a higher power existing, but I doubt that the higher power is anthropomorphic and male, and I don't know if it's even self-aware or self-actualizing. So I'm definitely not a Christian either.

    But I'll check out the book. Thanks for the tip.

  • G2Shoes

    Thank you! I am 65 years old and I have always loved my country, but I never knew there were four verses to our national anthem. I'm sitting here in tears after listening to the recording of that dear man singing to the crowd with such obviously sincere feeling. A reminder that we MUST preserve this nation–for those who gave it to us and for those who come after us.

  • G2Shoes

    The discussion between “Danny” and “CM Sackett” has been a delight, especially in view of typical online discussions of this nature, which usually disintegrate into not just snarky or condescending but out-and-out obscene name-calling. It is obvious they both enjoy a good debate and seldom find an opponent worthy of their full intellectual arsenals. (How they both managed to be on this particular website at the same time is a mystery.) Although I have been educated and informed by watching these two intellectual Titans hurling polite lightning bolts at each other and, at the risk of inviting the ridicule of both of them, I am reminded of one seemingly incontrovertible fact, that the United States is, not just through the actions of the current administration but through many others before it, moving inexorably away from the constitution and closer to socialism.

    That is the bottom line.

    To one who has always, at least from very early childhood, felt extremely lucky to have been born a citizen of this nation of liberty and government-by-the-people, this movement is not only appalling but frightening. I do not want to live in a socialist country. I do not want my children or my grandchildren to be slaves to an overgrown, overbearing government. I want my descendents to enjoy the freedoms intended by our founders. I’m not saying our system of government (as originally intended) is perfect but it’s so much better than whatever is in second place that there is simply no contest.

    I have lived here for a fairly long time, 65 years to be exact. I listen. I read. I vote. Through my many incarnations as a Flower Child wannabe, half-hearted “women’s libber,” volunteer, Christian, atheist, agnostic, working wife and mother, part owner of a small business, and now a working grandmother, I have watched our increasingly intrusive federal government essentially make a mess of everything it touches. The EPA, the IRS, the DOL, the Department of Education—do you know how many federal agencies there are? I don’t. Who has time to count them? Besides, I think they add a couple new ones every day. Just during my lifetime, they have performed a comedy of unintended consequences. Some of it has been through genuine concern, trying to make things better. Much of it has been a quest for power, control, and wealth. Whatever the motivation, the result has not been good. And I don’t like it. And I want it to stop. And I am not alone. Please God, I am not alone.

  • G2Shoes

    The discussion between “Danny” and “CM Sackett” has been a delight, especially in view of typical online discussions of this nature, which usually disintegrate into not just snarky or condescending but out-and-out obscene name-calling. It is obvious they both enjoy a good debate and seldom find an opponent worthy of their full intellectual arsenals. (How they both managed to be on this particular website at the same time is a mystery.) Although I have been educated and informed by watching these two intellectual Titans hurling polite lightning bolts at each other and, at the risk of inviting the ridicule of both of them, I am reminded of one seemingly incontrovertible fact, that the United States is, not just through the actions of the current administration but through many others before it, moving inexorably away from the constitution and closer to socialism.

    That is the bottom line.

    To one who has always, at least from very early childhood, felt extremely lucky to have been born a citizen of this nation of liberty and government-by-the-people, this movement is not only appalling but frightening. I do not want to live in a socialist country. I do not want my children or my grandchildren to be slaves to an overgrown, overbearing government. I want my descendents to enjoy the freedoms intended by our founders. I’m not saying our system of government (as originally intended) is perfect but it’s so much better than whatever is in second place that there is simply no contest.

    I have lived here for a fairly long time, 65 years to be exact. I listen. I read. I vote. Through my many incarnations as a Flower Child wannabe, half-hearted “women’s libber,” volunteer, Christian, atheist, agnostic, working wife and mother, part owner of a small business, and now a working grandmother, I have watched our increasingly intrusive federal government essentially make a mess of everything it touches. The EPA, the IRS, the DOL, the Department of Education—do you know how many federal agencies there are? I don’t. Who has time to count them? Besides, I think they add a couple new ones every day. Just during my lifetime, they have performed a comedy of unintended consequences. Some of it has been through genuine concern, trying to make things better. Much of it has been a quest for power, control, and wealth. Whatever the motivation, the result has not been good. And I don’t like it. And I want it to stop. And I am not alone. Please God, I am not alone.

  • G2Shoes

    The discussion between “Danny” and “CM Sackett” has been a delight, especially in view of typical online discussions of this nature, which usually disintegrate into not just snarky or condescending but out-and-out obscene name-calling. It is obvious they both enjoy a good debate and seldom find an opponent worthy of their full intellectual arsenals. (How they both managed to be on this particular website at the same time is a mystery.) Although I have been educated and informed by watching these two intellectual Titans hurling polite lightning bolts at each other and, at the risk of inviting the ridicule of both of them, I am reminded of one seemingly incontrovertible fact, that the United States is, not just through the actions of the current administration but through many others before it, moving inexorably away from the constitution and closer to socialism.

    That is the bottom line.

    To one who has always, at least from very early childhood, felt extremely lucky to have been born a citizen of this nation of liberty and government-by-the-people, this movement is not only appalling but frightening. I do not want to live in a socialist country. I do not want my children or my grandchildren to be slaves to an overgrown, overbearing government. I want my descendents to enjoy the freedoms intended by our founders. I’m not saying our system of government (as originally intended) is perfect but it’s so much better than whatever is in second place that there is simply no contest.

    I have lived here for a fairly long time, 65 years to be exact. I listen. I read. I vote. Through my many incarnations as a Flower Child wannabe, half-hearted “women’s libber,” volunteer, Christian, atheist, agnostic, working wife and mother, part owner of a small business, and now a working grandmother, I have watched our increasingly intrusive federal government essentially make a mess of everything it touches. The EPA, the IRS, the DOL, the Department of Education—do you know how many federal agencies there are? I don’t. Who has time to count them? Besides, I think they add a couple new ones every day. Just during my lifetime, they have performed a comedy of unintended consequences. Some of it has been through genuine concern, trying to make things better. Much of it has been a quest for power, control, and wealth. Whatever the motivation, the result has not been good. And I don’t like it. And I want it to stop. And I am not alone. Please God, I am not alone.

  • G2Shoes

    The discussion between “Danny” and “CM Sackett” has been a delight, especially in view of typical online discussions of this nature, which usually disintegrate into not just snarky or condescending but out-and-out obscene name-calling. It is obvious they both enjoy a good debate and seldom find an opponent worthy of their full intellectual arsenals. (How they both managed to be on this particular website at the same time is a mystery.) Although I have been educated and informed by watching these two intellectual Titans hurling polite lightning bolts at each other and, at the risk of inviting the ridicule of both of them, I am reminded of one seemingly incontrovertible fact, that the United States is, not just through the actions of the current administration but through many others before it, moving inexorably away from the constitution and closer to socialism.

    That is the bottom line.

    To one who has always, at least from very early childhood, felt extremely lucky to have been born a citizen of this nation of liberty and government-by-the-people, this movement is not only appalling but frightening. I do not want to live in a socialist country. I do not want my children or my grandchildren to be slaves to an overgrown, overbearing government. I want my descendents to enjoy the freedoms intended by our founders. I’m not saying our system of government (as originally intended) is perfect but it’s so much better than whatever is in second place that there is simply no contest.

    I have lived here for a fairly long time, 65 years to be exact. I listen. I read. I vote. Through my many incarnations as a Flower Child wannabe, half-hearted “women’s libber,” volunteer, Christian, atheist, agnostic, working wife and mother, part owner of a small business, and now a working grandmother, I have watched our increasingly intrusive federal government essentially make a mess of everything it touches. The EPA, the IRS, the DOL, the Department of Education—do you know how many federal agencies there are? I don’t. Who has time to count them? Besides, I think they add a couple new ones every day. Just during my lifetime, they have performed a comedy of unintended consequences. Some of it has been through genuine concern, trying to make things better. Much of it has been a quest for power, control, and wealth. Whatever the motivation, the result has not been good. And I don’t like it. And I want it to stop. And I am not alone. Please God, I am not alone.

  • G2Shoes

    The discussion between “Danny” and “CM Sackett” has been a delight, especially in view of typical online discussions of this nature, which usually disintegrate into not just snarky or condescending but out-and-out obscene name-calling. It is obvious they both enjoy a good debate and seldom find an opponent worthy of their full intellectual arsenals. (How they both managed to be on this particular website at the same time is a mystery.) Although I have been educated and informed by watching these two intellectual Titans hurling polite lightning bolts at each other and, at the risk of inviting the ridicule of both of them, I am reminded of one seemingly incontrovertible fact, that the United States is, not just through the actions of the current administration but through many others before it, moving inexorably away from the constitution and closer to socialism.

    That is the bottom line.

    To one who has always, at least from very early childhood, felt extremely lucky to have been born a citizen of this nation of liberty and government-by-the-people, this movement is not only appalling but frightening. I do not want to live in a socialist country. I do not want my children or my grandchildren to be slaves to an overgrown, overbearing government. I want my descendents to enjoy the freedoms intended by our founders. I’m not saying our system of government (as originally intended) is perfect but it’s so much better than whatever is in second place that there is simply no contest.

    I have lived here for a fairly long time, 65 years to be exact. I listen. I read. I vote. Through my many incarnations as a Flower Child wannabe, half-hearted “women’s libber,” volunteer, Christian, atheist, agnostic, working wife and mother, part owner of a small business, and now a working grandmother, I have watched our increasingly intrusive federal government essentially make a mess of everything it touches. The EPA, the IRS, the DOL, the Department of Education—do you know how many federal agencies there are? I don’t. Who has time to count them? Besides, I think they add a couple new ones every day. Just during my lifetime, they have performed a comedy of unintended consequences. Some of it has been through genuine concern, trying to make things better. Much of it has been a quest for power, control, and wealth. Whatever the motivation, the result has not been good. And I don’t like it. And I want it to stop. And I am not alone. Please God, I am not alone.

  • G2Shoes

    The discussion between “Danny” and “CM Sackett” has been a delight, especially in view of typical online discussions of this nature, which usually disintegrate into not just snarky or condescending but out-and-out obscene name-calling. It is obvious they both enjoy a good debate and seldom find an opponent worthy of their full intellectual arsenals. (How they both managed to be on this particular website at the same time is a mystery.) Although I have been educated and informed by watching these two intellectual Titans hurling polite lightning bolts at each other and, at the risk of inviting the ridicule of both of them, I am reminded of one seemingly incontrovertible fact, that the United States is, not just through the actions of the current administration but through many others before it, moving inexorably away from the constitution and closer to socialism.

    That is the bottom line.

    To one who has always, at least from very early childhood, felt extremely lucky to have been born a citizen of this nation of liberty and government-by-the-people, this movement is not only appalling but frightening. I do not want to live in a socialist country. I do not want my children or my grandchildren to be slaves to an overgrown, overbearing government. I want my descendents to enjoy the freedoms intended by our founders. I’m not saying our system of government (as originally intended) is perfect but it’s so much better than whatever is in second place that there is simply no contest.

    I have lived here for a fairly long time, 65 years to be exact. I listen. I read. I vote. Through my many incarnations as a Flower Child wannabe, half-hearted “women’s libber,” volunteer, Christian, atheist, agnostic, working wife and mother, part owner of a small business, and now a working grandmother, I have watched our increasingly intrusive federal government essentially make a mess of everything it touches. The EPA, the IRS, the DOL, the Department of Education—do you know how many federal agencies there are? I don’t. Who has time to count them? Besides, I think they add a couple new ones every day. Just during my lifetime, they have performed a comedy of unintended consequences. Some of it has been through genuine concern, trying to make things better. Much of it has been a quest for power, control, and wealth. Whatever the motivation, the result has not been good. And I don’t like it. And I want it to stop. And I am not alone. Please God, I am not alone.

  • G2Shoes

    The discussion between “Danny” and “CM Sackett” has been a delight, especially in view of typical online discussions of this nature, which usually disintegrate into not just snarky or condescending but out-and-out obscene name-calling. It is obvious they both enjoy a good debate and seldom find an opponent worthy of their full intellectual arsenals. (How they both managed to be on this particular website at the same time is a mystery.) Although I have been educated and informed by watching these two intellectual Titans hurling polite lightning bolts at each other and, at the risk of inviting the ridicule of both of them, I am reminded of one seemingly incontrovertible fact, that the United States is, not just through the actions of the current administration but through many others before it, moving inexorably away from the constitution and closer to socialism.

    That is the bottom line.

    To one who has always, at least from very early childhood, felt extremely lucky to have been born a citizen of this nation of liberty and government-by-the-people, this movement is not only appalling but frightening. I do not want to live in a socialist country. I do not want my children or my grandchildren to be slaves to an overgrown, overbearing government. I want my descendents to enjoy the freedoms intended by our founders. I’m not saying our system of government (as originally intended) is perfect but it’s so much better than whatever is in second place that there is simply no contest.

    I have lived here for a fairly long time, 65 years to be exact. I listen. I read. I vote. Through my many incarnations as a Flower Child wannabe, half-hearted “women’s libber,” volunteer, Christian, atheist, agnostic, working wife and mother, part owner of a small business, and now a working grandmother, I have watched our increasingly intrusive federal government essentially make a mess of everything it touches. The EPA, the IRS, the DOL, the Department of Education—do you know how many federal agencies there are? I don’t. Who has time to count them? Besides, I think they add a couple new ones every day. Just during my lifetime, they have performed a comedy of unintended consequences. Some of it has been through genuine concern, trying to make things better. Much of it has been a quest for power, control, and wealth. Whatever the motivation, the result has not been good. And I don’t like it. And I want it to stop. And I am not alone. Please God, I am not alone.

  • MeganColorado

    Danny, I honestly didn't expect an answer, so I have to first say, “thank you for taking the time to respond.”

    1. Glenn Beck is just a man, who sometimes makes some really great points and who sometimes makes some really lame points–just like all of us. It is because of his Mormon belief that he undoubtedly feels quite passionately about what is happening to our great nation. If you ask almost any Mormon how they feel about the destiny of America, they will all shutter, because they believe that we are living history all over again. Mormons, whether you agree with them or not, happen to be very, very patriotic for reasons that tend to be much different the perhaps other patriots. My personal view is that if we really want to get to the root of understanding of what is happening in our nation and the world, we have to first recognize that there is such a thing as “evil,” and there is such a thing as “good.” There is a much larger story that is being played out here. If people took half the time to read scripture–the Bible, the Book of Mormon–they would see the “writing on the wall.” There is little question, this has all been prophesied to happen, that we are living in the last days. If Issac Newton is correct, we have less than 50 years to discover for ourselves if 1) Jesus is the Christ, 2) if our nation will survive turning our backs on God and Christ, and 3) if the Book of Mormon is what it claims to be.

    2. I'm glad that you have read the Book of Mormon, and I'm really not bothered by the fact that you “aren't convinced” that it is what it claims to be. That is an honest response, and I hope you continue to think about some of the things that you have read. The way I see it, it won't be long before we'll all know the truth of all things.

    3. I had to smile about your comment to my comment about the Africian continent–“too ridiculous to respond to”–well, my son has just served two tours in Iraq and is now heading to Afghanistan. I don't know if you have spent any time in the Middle-east–in any Islamic nation–but if you have, I'm sure you will agree that these are nations that are so far behind what were once Christian nations that it does cause one to wonder. My son's opinion is that we are so far off the same page that it is virtually impossible to be successful there. We are light-years away from each other with our understanding of technology, understanding of biology and human health issues, and understanding of agriculture. I simply made an observation–it was not meant to be my understanding of history. But I do want to ask you for your own opinion as to why there is such a huge gulf between our civilization and theirs. What is your explanation?… just curious.

    4. Since you believe my understanding is “unique,” (smile–from your position, it undoubtedly would appear that way) will you let me share one more quote from the Book of Mormon with regard to the history of the people who lived on this continent 400 years before Christ? These are the words of a man, a prophet, who left Jerusalem 400 years before Christ, led here by the hand of God, of what he had to say about what was to become of his people.

    2 Nephi 1:6-13: “Wherefore, I, Lehi, prophesy according to the workings of the Spirit which is in me, that there shall none come into this land save they shall be brought by the hand of the Lord. Wherefore, this land is consecrated unto him whom he shall bring. And if it so be that they shall serve him according to the commandments which he hath given (Americans all know about the commandments–are we keeping them?) it shall be a land of liberty unto them; where fore, they shall never be brought down into captivity; if so, it shall be because of iniquity; for if iniquity shall abound cursed shall be the land for their sakes, but unto the righteous it shall be blessed forever. And behold, it is wisdom that this land should be kept as yet from the knowledge of other nations ; for behold, many nations would overrun the land, that there would be no place for an inheritance. Wherefore, I, Lehi, have obatined a promise, that inasmuch as those whom the Lord God shall bring out of the land of Jerusalem shall keep his commandments, they shall prosper upon the face of this land; and they shall be kept from all other nations, that they may possess this land unto themselves. And if it so be that they shall keep his commandments they shall be blessed upon the face of this land, and there shall be none to molest them, nor to take away the land of their inheritance; and they shall dwell safely forever. But behold, when the time cometh that they shall dwindle in unbelief, after they have received so great blessings from the hand of the Lord–having a knowledge of the creation of the earth, and all men, knowing the great and marvelous works of the Lord from the creation of the world; having power given them to do all things by faith; having all the commandments from the beginning, and having been brought by his infinite goodness into this precious land of promise–behold, I say, if the day shall come that they reject the Holy One of Israel, the true Messiah, their Redeemer and their God, behold, the judgments of him that is just shall rest upon them. Yea, he will bring other nations unto them, and he will give unto them power, and he will take away from them the lands of their possessions, and he will cause them to be scattered and smitten. Yea, as one generation passeth to another there shall be bloodsheds, and great visitations among them; wherefore my sones, I would that ye would remember; yea, I would that ye would hearken unto my words. O that ye would awake; awake from a deep sleep, yea, even from the sleep of hell, and shake off the awful chains by which ye are bound, which are the chains which bind the children of men, that they are carried away caotive down to the eternal gulf of misery and woe.”

    5. And lastly, Mormons believe that the Constitution was an inspired document–that the forefathers were special men who were raised up by God to set up this great nation. Mormons believe strongly in the ideology behind liberty to choose and freedom to choose.

    Danny, I guess we'll all have to wait and see. But if what you say is true, about our great nation becoming atheists… well,I guess that explains a lot of things, doesn't it?

  • LegalImport

    Seriously? God, God, God – war, war, war! Hm-m-m… Tea Party people, if you plan to take over again, be sure that you have the intestinal fortitude to follow Arizona's lead on immigration. As it stands, this country is “under invasion” and the remaining 49 States have proven themselves to be totally gutless. To bring this country to its former glory, start with purging ALL illegals and have them go through the same channels as everyone else!! Americans are fighting wars while these people are sneaking in and reaping all the benefits. Shameful! Excellent rendition of the second verse — beautifully and proudly done.

  • OffensiveAndPeculiar

    ~the current enemy we face is EXTREMELY religious and places all of their trust in God (as, after all, Allah is just the Arabic word for God — Arabic Christians/Jews use the word Allah to refer to His holiness). ~

    Uh, Danny, whatever else you are, you are not a historian nor a theologian. Allah was 1 of the 360 gods of the Kaabah; Hubal was his name then. That is why they say AllahuAkbar — Allah is the greatest — Allah is the greatest of 360 pagan gods. O.K.? Allah does not mean god. Interestingly though, in Hebrew 'alah” means 'to ascend' as in, “I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High” ~Isa 14:14  hmmmm….

    About Islam being dangerous; you are indeed correct. If you would bother to read the Qur'an and Hadith in the light of the Muslim doctrine of abrogation and study enough to find out that Surah 9 was the last Surah, you will see what a pickle we are in, especially since the usurpers in our seats of government refuse to state the plain facts of Islam and the very terrifying doctrine of al-taqiyyah.

    Danny folks of your ilk mouth back what you hear like a parrot but you do no research nor do you think. Lennon referred to you folks as 'useful idiots. As for the 1st amendment, it restricts the federal government from making ANY law establishing or PROHIBITING the free exercise of religion. Your kind who are indifferent (?) toward God always seem to forget that last part of the phrase. And Oh by the way virtually every original State constitution had clauses demanding that elected officials honor God, many specifically naming Jesus … that pesky 10th amendment, eh?

    So what is it again that tea party folks do not understand?

    Bone up on some of the few things that I have indicated and get back to us, K?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1641619591 Joanne Thorn

    Thank you for posting this mighty reminder of WHO and What this country stands for!

  • http://doorwaybuck.com CM Sackett

    “I am reminded of one seemingly incontrovertible fact, that the United States is, not just through the actions of the current administration but through many others before it, moving inexorably away from the constitution and closer to socialism.

    That is the bottom line.” ~G2Shoes~

    Indeed, it is, fellow citizen. Indeed.

    The work has been done slowly, not so much by the 'brilliant' patience of any unseen committee of malevolent evil (the wicked among us are no more intelligent or 'bright'. But they are often FAR MORE awake, on the whole, and DILIGENT), as by the base gutlessness and inborn GREED of weak men (you see, the Constitution… adhered to and followed… makes HONEST men/women out of of ALL who we, THE PEOPLE hire/elect to SERVE US in their various capacities within that government outlined in it).

    The current occupant of OUR HOUSE understood this, without a tele-prompter even. Those who refuse to do the work of their sundry offices ~ seek AND DO the will of THE PEOPLE (for emphasis, “THE PEOPLE” refers to the WHOLE of our citizenry… not just the lard-arsed, lawyer-strong, union-backed bold-yet-gutless mouths among us)… CAN NOT keep that oath they each take:

    “I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God.”

    NOTE: The Constitution does not contain a specifically-worded “oath” for anyone but the president. But it does clearly spell out that all other elected officials “shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation to support the Constitution.”.

    NOTE 2: The line ~”I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion…”~ especially the part about having NO “purpose of EVASION (of said duty TO the Constitution… AND ITS DEFENSE). This is where the foundation for 'high crimes and misdemeanors' gets its TEETH… and we need to BITE!

    Therefore, in order to accomplish the object of their GREED, they MUST destroy the declared GUARDIAN AGAINST IT… our Constitution (again, it is correct to state that, IN REGARD TO ELECTED SERVANTS WITHIN THE GOVERNMENT… it is a document of “negative” freedoms, dealing with what this SERVING government CANNOT do to us ~ collectively, as states, or as INDIVIDUALS).

    Our Constitution has been under a calculated and incremental attack for many decades, by a cohesive “Co op” of:
    1. Academia
    2. Media (including that island of sirens called “Entertainment”)
    3. “Organized” thuggery (not all unions began, or continue to serve their members for destructive purposes… but MOST DO)

    …and their “keys”, weak elected SERVANTS (who refuse that title and demand the moniker “official”).

    The current attempt at complete overthrow of our Republic and its Constitutional governance is because they believe they have finally sufficiently

    a. molded “public OPINION” (although those screaming their approval and allegiance to this murder of 233 years of individual Liberty AND national greatness… are VASTLY outnumbered by the American citizenry that is, and shall stand ~CONSTITUTIONALLY~ against it)

    b. Empowered both, the “arm” of the government, AND the HAMMER of the judiciary sufficiently to crush any resistance to their march

    QUESTION: Is ANY subsequent law (as in, far after the fact of the Law of PRECEDENCE) passed in direct opposition to the FOUNDING LAWS… more “law-full” than the FOUNDING LAW it openly derides, refutes, IGNORES?

    For instance: “Congress shall make NO LAW (emphasis added) respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press, or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.” ~1st Amendment to the Constitution of these UNITED STATES~

    Answer… we, who hold TO the Constitution of these UNITED STATES are, by law… and REASON, the enemies of ANY, and ALL who would work to overthrow, abolish, gut or geld it.

    _____________________________________________

    SO BE IT… so help us, God.

    CM Sackett

    BTW. Danny, I just discovered this whole (click on your profile, see your posts, and go directly to the thread) part of the site, LOL!

    I think I can now find this thread again, without clicking through so many pages of threads this great site posts. Look forward to discussing OUR great country, its wondrous heritage, and its current need for reasoned, wise and fierce defense against ALL ENEMIES… foreign AND DOMESTIC.

    Until then, my friend.

  • Jonathaniv

    The man is 100% right there is still a few brave men and women in this country our government has imported and allowed too many aliens. And they are destroying our country our so-called leaders have sold us out for a vote. This time things change as time the real men and women of America take our country back. In my 67 years the changes I've seen in this country breaks my heart. In our government most of them have not been good ones. Keep the faith and have a good day and a better tomorrow.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/PLAQEGDJUHJV5WVWACA22CG43M Ken

    What a performance! You gave me goose bumps and even drew a tear or two!
    I am a retired US Army Disabled Veteran of Iraq and Panama with a 24 year military career. Soldiers, Sailors, Marines, Airman and Coast Guardsman like William continue to defend every American from enemies both foreign and domestic and have preserved our right of Freedom. The very least every American can do, is support the Troops and be proud to be an American! When I grew up, everyone would proudly stand, remove their hats, place their right hand over their heart and sing along when the National Anthem as it was played. It breaks my heart to now see professional sports players and not to mention a large amount of the crowd would not even pay attention when the National Anthem is played. Wake up America! We need to take back our country! We need to be proud to be an American! We need to support American businesses! Buy American products! Help keep American Jobs! Have you looked at anything you own lately? You may become shocked to find that almost everything you own is not made in this Country, it is all made overseas! We must unite and demand that we only want items that are made in the USA, by American Workers! Let's fix America! Start by buying American products made right here in the United States of America!
    Ken Hamilton, Master Sergeant retired US Army, A Proud American

  • williamm

    I wish we could find the name of that Marine. He has brought joy and strength to us in these difficult times. His song needs to be heard by as many as possible. Thank God for our military.

  • williamm

    I wish we could find the name of that Marine. He has brought joy and strength to us in these difficult times. His song needs to be heard by as many as possible. Thank God for our military.

  • williamm

    I wish we could find the name of that Marine. He has brought joy and strength to us in these difficult times. His song needs to be heard by as many as possible. Thank God for our military.

  • williamm

    I wish we could find the name of that Marine. He has brought joy and strength to us in these difficult times. His song needs to be heard by as many as possible. Thank God for our military.

    • LK

      I love this Country and the ones who fought, but we are tied of people telling us that there is NO GOD lets send them packing.

  • williamm

    I wish we could find the name of that Marine. He has brought joy and strength to us in these difficult times. His song needs to be heard by as many as possible. Thank God for our military.

  • williamm

    A 56-year-old Douglasville former Marine has become a national hero after performing an impromptu, a cappella version of the fourth verse of the “Star Spangled Banner” at a June 4 TEA Party political rally.

    Lewis Shaeffer has soared in popularity after a YouTube video of his vocal performance has racked up nearly two million hits in the past week and has been attached to numerous e-mails exchanged worldwide. YouTube is a video-sharing Internet Web site where users can upload, share and view videos.

    He is suddenly being sought by radio and TV talk shows and future political events. He appeared on a Fox News Network show last Wednesday and has been a guest with WSB-Radio host Herman Cain, the featured speaker at last Friday’s rally at Clinton Nature Preserve.

    Shaeffer said his decision to stand up and sing goes back to the days immediately following the 9-11 terrorist attacks.

    “I was working at Lowe’s at the time,” he recalled. “Some of our Lowe’s people were attending a Braves game and we came upon a WSB-TV live broadcast. They were talking to people about 9/11 and asked for three volunteers to step up and sing patriotic songs.”

    Shaeffer said he passed up that opportunity, but felt guilty about it later.

    “I asked the Lord, if he ever allowed me another opportunity like that, to not let me back down,” he said.

    While Shaeffer said he has no formal voice training, he has been singing in church choirs for many years, “ever since I became a Christian,” he added.

    He said his patriotic roots also run deep. He traces his ancestry in America back to a descendant, Anthony Schaeffer (who used a different name spelling), a 1750 settler and private in the Revolutionary War. Lewis served in the U.S. Marines before the Vietnam War and his father fought as a Marine in the Korean War.

    He decided recently that his chance to make a contribution would be at the upcoming Douglas County TEA Party.

    “I went to the one last year, and they had no one to sing the Star Spangled Banner,” he said. He inquired about singing the national anthem at the beginning of this year’s event, but never got the message through to the event organizer.

    He said his idea to sing the verse last Friday came on the spur of the moment. Cain was letting people line up behind a microphone to ask questions and make comments. Shaeffer said it was nearing the end of the public comment period and he let a woman go in front of him to speak first.

    “She asked how long it would be before we could bring God back into our culture,” he said.

    Shaeffer said he saw this as a good platform to give his message. He recalled an old hymnal his aunt had given him at graduation and it had two verses of the “Star Spangled Banner” in it.

    “The second verse was actually the fourth verse, the one I sang,” he said. “I had at first planned to just recite it, but the Lord said, ‘Sing it.’ It was the Holy Spirit leading me.”

    He said he chose that particular verse because it refers to God leading our nation. He felt that it was appropriate because he feels God is being removed from our national culture.

    “I saw someone recording me as I sang, but I had no idea it was going to be put on YouTube,” said Shaeffer, who admits to not owning a computer and only recently getting a television.

    After Shaeffer gave his performance, he turned and walked away while the entire crowd came to its feet in applause.

    “I hope nobody was offended,” he said. “I wasn’t trying to be rude when I walked away from the mike. When a Marine executes his mission, he leaves.”

    However, people are not letting him simply walk away. He is getting numerous requests to sing at upcoming TEA parties and political rallies. Most of the requests are coming through Maureen Miller who organized the June 4 event. He said he is still considering them all and weighing his decisions.

    Shaeffer directed public contact to P.O. Box 7032, Douglasville, GA 30154.

    “I’m a Christian first and a conservative second,” he said Friday. “The nation seems bound on a collision course. I can’t save the nation, but I can try to save some who have a willing ear and an open heart.”

    http://www.times-georgian.com/view/full_story/7

  • JDean3123

    Wonderful discussion. I'm a Tea party participant and support your view(s). This is the type of discourse we need to be involved in. Honest, open, exchange of ideas and open debate. Danny is a worthy participant and I believe you will find common ground during your parley. Enjoying on the sidelines, Jim.

  • bigdogcoke

    When I was a member of Rotary, I was sometimes asked to do the invocation. That Rotary had gotten particularly PC so we were not to be “offensive” in our prayers (code for “don't say Jesus”) so I would have the words to that verse on all the tables and we would sing that for the invocation. It bugged more than a few but there was little they could say. When I would lead the patriotic song, I would use verses 1&4, again making some squirm with real national history. BTW, that particular Rotary club is now making its members go thru “diversity” training. I left long ago, and more than a few have left since. I now devote my time to my church and leading Sanctity of Life classes – MUCH more interesting and rewarding to all, including me.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Donna-Boldt-Manley/1028754688 Donna Boldt Manley

    THIS IS AWESOME….

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Donna-Boldt-Manley/1028754688 Donna Boldt Manley

    I am soo proud to be an American….Please listen to this…IT IS AWESOME !!!!

  • http://twitter.com/dgarbis Dennis J. Garbis

    Beautiful! I've never heard this before…
    Without respect for Private Property, there can never be Freedom.

  • sonoran12

    Since when did you have to be 'conservative' to be “Christian” or “Patriotic”?

  • pepperman

    May God Bless you Williamm, you believe as I do.
    Kathy

  • Voiceinwilderness

    Tears come to my eyes when I see what is happening to our country. “We deserve the government that we have.” We need to take back our schools that are supposed to be institutions learning and not brainwashing. If this is not possible then we need to send our children to Christian schools. We need to take back our children. They are our future. That is why they have taken over our schools. We need to have true American history taught in our schools. How many of our children even know the Preambles of our Constitution, let alone recite them. They used to be graded on their ability to do this. I, and many of you had to do it. What can we do to take back our Children so that they will have a free future?

    Thank You My Friends,

    Voiceinwilderness

  • williamm

    Epic Tea Party Event: Extended, Uncut, Uncensored!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AL1RtJFqBRw&feat

    “Stunning” Tea Party Member Answers His Detractors

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MApy0FQts4M&feat

    Statue of Liberty”, as sung by Lewis

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6Sa4OkqXYI&feat

    Amazing Grace”, as sung by Lewis

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5wkwaTivWQ&feat

    Lewis and Francis Scott Key

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIn97mRkLtU&feat

  • booboo1420

    To the gentleman. My hat gose off to you let us Pray for our troops and their family who has someone in the military. And may God bless us all.

  • usmcsr556

    Semper Fi , Do or die , oorah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • LLobaAzul

    All “progressives” don't understand that redistribution of wealth does not result in the purported goal of helping the “less fortunate”. This idea is based on an economic fallacy that whatever is increased in one area is necessarily decreased in another. Where growing wealth increases opportunity and greater wealth for everyone, distributing wealth makes wealth and opportunity disappear.

    What Tea Partiers understand is that incentive is human nature. When we are at liberty to do with the fruits of our labors as we please, that wealth is utilized to its greatest potential and ends up helping the most people with jobs, investment, technology, and even leisure time.

    “Progressives” don't understand that system and in their ignorance, pretend they are knowledgeable enough to change human nature. Their efforts only pervert the voluntary and mutually consentual transactions and interchange between people – the very engine that keeps people independent, self-reliant, accountable and empowered.

    All that is required to disabuse a “progressive” of his/her ignorance is a brief foray into reality and a little education in basic economics. While there are those for whom no evidence is enough to shake their faith, some will understand.

    There is hope.

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  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/WFG4BSICVJ6LUQNGUYSCPD3JXQ BenM

    “Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just” Too bad this isn't true for either of the wars we're in.

    When panning around in this video, why is there not a single ethnic or black person in the entire crowd? hmmmm….

    • justaguy

      I don’t know??? You may want to ask the Black person who organized the event on the stage?

    • justaguy

      I don’t know??? You may want to ask the Black person who organized the event on the stage?

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/ZHGOVGNFFNKL5NALKSP5I43XTM San

    The first thing that needs to be done is take out the Department of Education that was started by that great socialist LBJ. Barring the ability to do that, we must remove our children from public schools which are naught but the cesspools of society, run by those bent on destroying us.

  • Esther Nachimson

    I thought he admitted up front he was responsible. Far be it from me to disagree with him. He's always right and wonderful! Isn't he?????

  • MOMT1

    God Bless you sir, you just keep on singing.

  • Lindsay

    All I can say is THANK YOU. I am 34 yrs. old and had no clue that there were more verses. I am not Christian, but I believe the songs, verses, mottos, etc. SHOULD NEVER, EVER be changed. They are perfect the way they are. If people with different religious beliefs want them to be different instead of just interpreting their god or gods into them, then they just need to write their own and leave what is as it is. God bless you Williamm.

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  • Mauilady

    So sorry, but there are a lot of untruths out and about regarding Sharron Angle and her stance on various subjects. The political crap that goes on in our government literally makes me sick to my stomach.

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