By The Right Scoop


Today Sarah Palin sent a warning shot over the bow of the GOP, suggesting that if they continue to back away from the principles in our party, people are going to form a new party and she might be among them (h/t: Daily Caller):

I love the name of that party — the ‘Freedom Party’. And if the GOP continues to back away from the planks in our platform, from the principles that built this party of Lincoln and Reagan, then yeah, more and more of us are going to start saying, ‘You know, what’s wrong with being independent,’ kind of with that libertarian streak that much of us have. In other words, we want government to back off and not infringe upon our rights. I think there will be a lot of us who start saying ‘GOP, if you abandon us, we have nowhere else to go except to become more independent and not enlisted in a one or the other private majority parties that rule in our nation, either a Democrat or a Republican.’ Remember these are private parties, and you know, no one forces us to be enlisted in either party.

Sarah Palin is not the first to warn the GOP of a possible third party. Just the other day Mark Levin gave the Republican leadership a similar warning:

And I want to warn the Republican Leadership about something. If I and millions of us decide to leave you; if I and millions of us – the conservative base, the constitutionalists, that taxpayers, the people who make this country work – if we decide to leave you, you’re finished. You’re kaput. You’ll never be in the majority again.

And God knows you’re provoking us.

If this doesn’t open the eyes of the Republicans to what they are doing, then I fear a third party is exactly what will happen. And that would guarantee the Democrats would win everything over the next few election cycles. Nobody wants that. But we may have no choice.

 

If you want to watch Sarah Palin’s full interview from today, you can do so below:

About 

Blogger extraordinaire since 2009 and the owner and Chief Blogging Officer of the most wonderful and super fantastic blog in the known and unknown universe: The Right Scoop


Comment Policy: Please read our new comment policy before making a comment. In short, please be respectful of others and do not engage in personal attacks. Otherwise we will revoke your comment privileges.


NOTE: If the comments don't load properly or they are difficult to read because they are on the blue background, please use the button below to RELOAD DISQUS.

  • Micawber

    Great!  
    But…Freedom Party?  No, Constitution Party. 
    Freedom Party sounds sappy and invites ridicule and isn’t even accurate.

  • ChesterSimms

    I’ve been begging for this to happen in several posts on TRS and praying for it in private.  Finally, there seems to be a movement in this direction.   I hope though the momentum is gradual and based on solid ground.  There has to be a clear delineation between the right and the left in this country, and not the extreme left, which is the Democratic Party, and the somewhat left, which is what the Republican Party has now become.

  • Stehekin912

    Maybe someone with Facebook or Twitter should send Sarah thelink to the Constitutional Freedom Party and see what she thinks of it.

    • http://cfp4us.org/ AmericanborninCanada

      Stehekin912 We have been Stehekin. Hopefully one of these times they will actually look.

    • http://cfp4us.org/ AmericanborninCanada

      Stehekin912 We have been Stehekin. Hopefully one of these times they will actually look.

  • crosshr

    I’ll take one for the Constitution and the country, I’ll take one for America and God.

    Never believe in taking side, I’ve switch side once from D to R, I can do it again if that ‘s what is needed to steer back this great Country into Constitutional route. God Bless the USA.

  • eaglechick

    If  it is Sarah and Levin..I’m going..care about freedom and principles..name not important..as long as it reflects the Constitution..and if we go over a cliff,  will be in gooooooood company

  • Tamikosmom

    I wish Allen West would be as passionate/outraged as Sara Palin over the Marc Rubio/RINO immigration betrayal.  There was a time that West would have gone up one side of these traitors and down the other side.  West almost gave Rubio a pass in a recent WMAL interview.
    .
    JUNE, 2013
    Allen West on WMAL 6-19-13

    .
    .
    MAY, 2010
    LTC Allen West on Illegal Immigration

  • DarkKnight2016

    I disagree with going 3rd party. The Democrats will win the Presidential election everytime.

    • Is_Sense_Common

      DarkKnight2016 They kinda win anyway though, don’t they?  I mean seriously, when’s the last time our government did anything to shrink itself?  1982?

      • DarkKnight2016

        Is_Sense_Common DarkKnight2016 I think the 1920’s

    • Micawber

      DarkKnight2016 What choice do we have at this point?  It will take decades to replace all of the Rhinos; many of them are entrenched.  
      The GOP has been a party of the living dead for so long; we need to drive a stake into it’s heart.  
      The only way we can do this is to offer a Conservative alternative to them.  The country is ready for it.  It’s happened before.  
      This is a re-alignment period – no doubt about it.

    • http://www.therightscoop.com/ therightscoop

      DarkKnight2016 We didn’t go 3rd Party last year and we still lost. See the point? If we can’t fix our party it will continue to lose regardless, because people like Romney, Boehner, McCain will just make people stay at home.

      • DarkKnight2016

        therightscoop DarkKnight2016 When you actually look at the number it wasn’t that big of a win for the Democrats. Creating a 3rd party will make the losses even greater.

        • http://www.therightscoop.com/ therightscoop

          DarkKnight2016 therightscoop A loss is still a loss, unfortunately. I don’t disagree with your sentiment…but just saying, if it keeps going the way it’s going we will still lose.

        • DarkKnight2016

          therightscoop DarkKnight2016To be honest I liked Romney and think he would have made a great President and if I am not mistaken the buzz on our side was that Romney lost because conservatives didn’t vote.

        • http://www.therightscoop.com/ therightscoop

          DarkKnight2016 therightscoop That’s my point!

        • DarkKnight2016

          therightscoop DarkKnight2016 Honestly I don;t see what the problem with Romney was.

        • MichaelSiag

          DarkKnight2016 therightscoop 
          Well, He was more of a democrat on many issues then a “republican”.  Although on Abortion and gay marriage he probably wasn’t. I voted for Romney because I knew Obama was an absolute train wreck and we needed to do anything to dodge a second term Obama, but that’s exactly what we got.

        • DarkKnight2016

          MichaelSiag DarkKnight2016 therightscoop I completely disagree and I also disagree with the attacks on Jon Huntsman. Sure they have a weak spot or 2 but I know I will never agree with someone 100% so I am ok with 80%.

        • deTocqueville1

          DarkKnight2016 Revealing comment and explains your position with third party perfectly.

        • DarkKnight2016

          deTocqueville1 DarkKnight2016 Haha, your funny.

        • doofuschmartz

          DarkKnight2016 MichaelSiag therightscoop Just a drop or two of Arsenic in the water, huh???

        • http://nation.foxnews.com/ americalsgt

          DarkKnight2016 therightscoop I clicked you with about 10 likes on your various posts, but didn’t explain. I was on the way out the door, like you, I didn’t feel bad about voting for Romney.  He was and is a good man.  For us to try for a third party the Republicans loose, and Party X looses too.  My feeling is we need to put our foot down in the mid-terms and let the Republicans know that we need to be heard and what we want has to part of the a Conservative agenda.  They’re no fools and will bend for us if our force for our demands.  Even Karl Rove will see the light.

      • doofuschmartz

        therightscoop DarkKnight2016 People like Romney, Boehner, McCain, etc…couldn’t give two figs about what anyone in the Conservative side of the Republican Party wants. They care about getting power and influence for themselves…PERIOD!

        • DarkKnight2016

          doofuschmartz therightscoop DarkKnight2016 Actually I liked Romney and am glad I voted for him.

        • doofuschmartz

          DarkKnight2016 doofuschmartz therightscoop  I’m sure you’re not alone, sir. I, for one, deeply regret my vote for him.

      • John_Frank

        therightscoop DarkKnight2016 IMHO What Sarah Palin and Mark Levin are doing is two fold:
        – Calling for primary campaigns against those who abandoned the party planks and pushed the Senate Amnesty Bill.
        – Putting a gun to the head of the Republican House members. In 2012, you ran on and were elected to implement the planks in the 2012 party platform. You went wobbly during the lame duck session. You did not defund Obamacare. Do not go wobbly in dealing with immigration. Follow the planks in the 2012 Republican party platform, or you can kiss your private political party good bye.

    • Jayrae

      DarkKnight2016 I don’t freakin’ care. At least we will be certain that only real Democrats get invited to cocktail parties and that the GOP and their stupid corrupt elites will be the permanent minority party. The Bush Mafia will lose all their big donors. They will only donate to the Democrats. And Tokyo Rove will be a dead man walking.

      Works for me. Who needs Dem lite when you can have the entire jackass?
      Only when we the conservatives stop being enablers will we get a voice. I’m done being used. And, yes, I proudly did not vote for Etch-A-Sketch and Big Government Ryan.

    • Longiron

      they GOP are going to win any way. If the conservatives do not show up to vote because of the GOP RINO candidate the DEMS are going to win. It happen last election and will continue. Start 3rd “Freedom Party” and take your lumps BUT at least there is a future. With the GOP there is only one party solution. It will not take a 3rd party as long to win as most are saying (experts whom do not want to see a 3rd party) because most are on to the GOP by now and are looking for a chance.

    • deTocqueville1

      DarkKnight2016 You mean like they do now? Au contraiare, a new party would attract many traditional democrats and there would be a complete realignment as happens every time successful new parties are created.

      • DarkKnight2016

        deTocqueville1 DarkKnight2016 Ask the Libertarian Party how it’s worked out for them. 41 years and I believe they just broke 1 million in  a Presidential election.

        • deTocqueville1

          DarkKnight2016 deTocqueville1 You use one convenient but preposterous example. I suggest you brush up on history.

    • sDee

      DarkKnight2016  
      Since Reagan, the Progressives and their globalist cabal have won every election.

  • MrLTavern

    How many millions in the GOP are sick and tired of most of them and their ruling class kiss the ass of the Democrat Party mentality?

  • John_Frank

    RS, thanks for bringing this interview to people’s attention.
    In the last paragraph of her FB statement after the Senate passed the Comprehensive Immigration Reform bill, she wrote:
    “Folks like me are barely hanging on to our enlistment papers in any
    political party – and it’s precisely because flip-flopping political
    actions like amnesty force us to ask how much more bull from both the
    elephants in the Republican Party and the jackasses in the Democrat
    Party we have to swallow before these political machines totally abandon
    the average commonsense hardworking American. Now we turn to watch the
    House. If they bless this new “bi-partisan” hyper-partisan devastating
    plan for amnesty, we’ll know that both private political parties have
    finally turned their backs on us. It will then be time to show our
    parties’ hierarchies what we think of being members of either one of
    these out-of-touch, arrogant, and dysfunctional political machines.”
    https://www.facebook.com/sarahpalin/posts/10151696565608588
    Sarah Palin, in answering the question put by Josh Painter, was simply elaborating on the warning shot she gave in her FB statement.
    At this juncture, she, along with Mark Levin, are simply making it crystal clear to the Republican leadership, continue to abandon the planks of the Republican party platform and you can kiss your political party good bye.
    The ball is now in the hands of the Republican leadership.
    – If the House rejects the Senate bill, refuses to pass a massive comprehensive immigration reform bill, but rather passes individual pieces of legislation addressing discrete problems, that respect the planks of the party platform, while these bills will die in the Senate, it is unlikely that we will see a new party being formed.
    – On the other hand, if the House passes a massive comprehensive immigration bill along the lines that Representative Ryan has been pushing, the two bills go to conference and what comes back is in essence amnesty, with future promises of border security, interior enforcement, e-verification, etc., tied to the granting of permanent residency status, that will lower wages and raise unemployment; and this bill is then rammed through the House and Senate, then the Republican party will implode.
    In the interim:
    http://www.conservativehq.com/article/14025-you-have-until-july-10-stop-amnesty-illegal-aliens
    If you live in a district represented by a Republican Congressman, I encourage your to write your Congressman and let him or her know your views, with a copy to Speaker Boehner.
    If you do not live in a district represented by a Republican, you are urged to write Speaker Boehner and make your position clear.

  • sDee

    The only people and candidates in our local/county/state party who are fighting or even will acknowledge America is in end times, are Constitutional Conservatives,  Tea Party and Libertarians.  We are opposed on even the most basic decisions and policy positions by the party leaders.
    There is absolutely no doubt that  the Republican Party has sold out to globalists and progressives. None.
    A splinter party to consolidate some power and leverage looks now to be freedom’s only hope.

    IF SARAH GOES WE WILL GO!

  • strangernfiction

    If the GOP abandons us?

    • deTocqueville1

      strangernfiction It has happened already.

  • JohnSchaffran

    Here is a thought.  How about a constitution party?  You know one that protects ALL American citizens rights?  How tough is this ?

    • sDee

      JohnSchaffran  
      That once was the mantle of the GOP – long ago abandoned.

    • Tamikosmom

      Sounds good but why would the majority of Hispanic, Blacks and Muslims go for it.  They are afforded SPECIAL rights/privileges/benefits by the Democrats and RINOs at the expense of the rest of Americans who work the plantation.
      I hope that more influential Conservatives will take a leap of faith and embrace the third party position advocated by Sara Palin.

      • john11111

        Tamikosmom conservatives are (quiet, unorganized) a MAJORITY in USA. Possibly 2/3.

        • Tamikosmom

          Quiet? Unorganized? Why?
          Ronald Reagan – “Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn’t pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children’s children what it was once like in the United States where men were free.”

    • http://cfp4us.org/ AmericanborninCanada
  • freeperjim

    Amnesty MUST be stopped to have any 3rd party alternative.
    If amnesty passes, the socialists get 30 MILLION new voters and controls ALL NATIONAL ELECTIONS.
    Forever.

    • doofuschmartz

      freeperjim You mean, STATE RUN National Elections?

    • sDee

      freeperjim  
      If amnesty is granted, , we will have to take refuge in states willing to take on the Federal Oligarchy.

    • freeperjim

      If amnesty passes, our last hope is CW2.
      It’s coming….

    • JohnSchaffran

      freeperjim Slight disagreement.  This nation needs to be reasonable with amnesty.  Having said that they ONLY way I would EVER support amnesty is if the border is secured FIRST!  I say that because there are people here for many years and of no fault of their own.  The border must be secured first or no deal!

      • sDee

        JohnSchaffran
        Illeagls would not be here is existing laws were enforced. Border corssing laws are only a small part of the laws that have been intientilly ignored by our governemtn. 
        The illegals are here by design.  Amnesty to pull in 20-30 million  communist/socialist/marxist voters, is also by dseisgn – CREATE A CRISIS – remember Alinsky 101?
        Anything – anything at all besides
        strict enforcement of exisitng laws will, by design, enure our
        demise.

        • deTocqueville1

          sDee JohnSchaffran Agreed, sDee, it is a straw man argument as its core premise.

  • kong1967

    I don’t know, she really didn’t say she would move to third party, but rather that more and more of us.  I guess that includes her, but she didn’t really warn that she was moving in that direction.  If she goes, I go.  
    As much as I’d hate to see Democrats win the next few elections, if we keep voting for Republicans they will never change.  That’s what they count on.  In no way am I saying there’s no difference between the ‘D’ and ‘R’ parties (like a lot of conservatives claim), because there is clearly a difference.  Democrats will collapse our country a lot faster, but Republicans aren’t serious about fixing anything, either, and are leaving conservative values behind.  When our leading Republicans call us wacko for wanting a balanced budget and a smaller government with less power (more power to the states), it’s time to move on because we cannot seem to uproot the establishment and the likes of McCain and Boehner who tell the Tea Party to go to hell.

    • deTocqueville1

      kong1967 Exactly so why keep voting for them.

      • kong1967

        deTocqueville1  Very good question and I’m struggling with that.  It’s hard to move on because that will give Democrats a lot of power and leeway to destroy this country before we can build a third party into a viable party.  
        However, considering the current GOP, they aren’t going to save this country and don’t appear like they’re even going to try.  Slow it down, maybe, but that’s it.
        Might as well start voting my conscience because our country is toast anyway.  Maybe we can get a third party built up soon enough to save it down the road.

    • sDee

      kong1967  
      There is no balance of powers, the globalist own DC – all three brnaches and the media. 
      It has to break – it will break soon.  From the ashes the strong will rebuild.

      • kong1967

        sDee  Unfortunately I’m really starting to believe that the government has to collapse before we can shrink it.  Buckle up, I guess.

  • Bill589

    To start a new party is a humongous undertaking that I believe will take years to ‘establish’. Through primaries we may be able to overtake the corrupt Republican party and fix it.
    I still believe that is our first and best choice, and should be the aim of 2014.
    (And I think even a ‘threat’ of a third party, may help us achieve this first and best choice.)
    But if the GOPe only allows us a big government progressive like Jeb or Rubio, then it will be the GOPe that has taken our choice away. They’ve been playing this game with us for years, knowing we’ll fold if they can convince even half of us that ‘he’s better than the Dem’. A choice between progressives in not a choice that will save our constitutional republic. 
    We’re too close to the edge of the cliff to choose just ‘the lesser evil’. Even going in the wrong direction more slowly at this point, will still get us past the point of no return.
    God bless our constitutional republic and it’s patriots.

  • deTocqueville1

    This was inevitable with the treachery the RINO estblishment represents. I disagree that a third party would guaranty a Dem win and I wish people would stop mindlessly repeating that meme. Of course the GOPe wishes you to adopt that view as truth.

    • Jayrae

      Shamnesty already guarantees a Democrat win. What difference does it make if we go third party. The GOP elites are getting their wish. They threw us out of the party and the Democrats win.

      • sDee

        Jayrae  
        By desgn. 
        Republican elites like Rubio and Boehner are now just bargaining for their share of power and money in the coming oligarchy.

        • deTocqueville1

          sDee Exactly, flip sides of the same coin, heads I win, tails you lose!

      • john11111

        Jayrae CONSERVATIVES ARE the majority in USA – we just need to organize.
        Not with RINOs.

        • Valin

          john11111 Jayrae  
          Define RINO?  I ask because it has become a meaningless term.

        • Bill589

          Valin john11111 Jayrae 
          Good point, because Republican has become a meaningless term.

        • Valin

          Bill589 Valin john11111 Jayrae  
          It’s only meaningless to the 100%ers. 
          Something Ed Koch once said..(I paraphrase) “If you agree with me 60% of the time, vote for me. If you agree with me 100% of the time…see a psychiatrist.

        • Bill589

          Valin Bill589 john11111 Jayrae I don’t agree with the GOPe on who is the boss – me or them.
          I think they are half of our corrupt government.   Both part of a Permanent Political Class that largely lives around DC.

  • Bill589

    Back in the 70s (?) there was a song that went something like this:
    Progressives to the left of me.   Progressives to right.   Here I am, stuck in the middle with you.

    • sDee

      :D

    • doofuschmartz

      Bill589 Clever, Bill, but the original words, clowns and jokers was probably more accurate…

  • Joneshuynh

    c

  • Terrenceor

    Has there ever been a party that holds their voters in such contempt? It started with Bush, when he said he didn’t care about the polls, he was going to do what he thought was right.
    Reagan never dismissed the judgment of the American people, but would adeptly influence it. Reagan understood that you had to engage the American people.

  • tsturbo

    Where the hell do I sign up for the Freedom Party? 
    RINO’s can kiss my ass!

    • crosshr

      tsturbo  
      and I love you too ts. rinos can k my a.

  • StandProudNow

    What good is a party that has to be *threatened* in order to return to its principles!!    Just get rid of them!!

    • deTocqueville1

      StandProudNow Amen.

  • Amjean

    I wish someone would lay out the complete steps that would need to be taken to form another party, “The Freedom Party”, if you will.  The laws for this must differentiate state by state.  Perhaps we take baby steps.  We promote a candidate or two (or more)  in the 2012 election.  If we don’t have a candidate in a particular race, “The Freedom Party” endorses a conservative republican candidate, or in the case of a rino, endorses no one.   We ramp up for the 2016 election.  Perhaps all the Tea Party organizations will be the first to join. 
    Remember the website that promoted Palin for VP?  We need another website that allows those interested to sign a petition and more information.
    I hope it happens.  How many times do conservatives have to be kicked in the face before getting a divorce?

  • RobHorine

    As much as I hate what the establishment is doing, a 3rd party run WILL lead to 8 years of Hillary Clinton as president.   With the disaster that Barry is taking us to, can we really afford that? 
    I pray that the GOP see what they are doing and stop listening to Barry and listen to the people who put them there.

    • sDee

      RobHorine  
      And would that be any worse than 8 years of  Marco Rubio or Jeb Bush?

      • Jayrae

        sDee RobHorine Jeb just presented Hildabeast with the Liberty Award and Mama Bush says Bubba’s her other son. They are all one big happy elitist family.

      • Stehekin912

        Yes.
        Even a RINO could at least buy us some time.  Hopefully we will find a Bold Colors candidate for President.

        • deTocqueville1

          Stehekin912 Time to do what? Continue the subversion of America by the DC Permanent Political Class of both Parties?

        • toongoon

          Stehekin912  
          They have been buying us time for years and we keep falling further into Socialism. They keep undercutting us at every turn. I would rather see a fighter who generates resistance among the conservatives and lose the election than to have a false leader in charge selling us out every chance they get.

      • Valin

        sDee
        You’re kidding right?

        • Bill589

          Valin sDee Not at all.  Every four years the GOP allows us another big government progressive, to run against the Dem big government progressive.
          We will lose if we don’t take a stand now.  We’re going off the edge of the cliff soon, the speed at which we go off the edge won’t matter.  That is the point of no return.

      • CVic3629

        yes, absolutely worse! let’s remember who she is please. and that she will drag that sexual predator of a husband with her. for crying out loud, she wrote her dissertation on Saul Alinsky, you know, the guy who dedicated his book Rules for Radicals to Satan.   While Rubio and Bush
        would never be my choices (no Bushes ever again please!), any one of satan’s minions would be
        devastating.

        • Bill589

          CVic3629 Then the GOPe will always only allow us a progressive, and our constitutional republic will be gone. 
          He increased government’s size, expense, power, and intrusion into our lives. Obama? Yes. But also Romney in Massachusetts when he had governing power.  See the difference? Me neither.
          Sure Romney made great promises – politicians will say anything to get elected – but rather look at what a politician does when they have power.

      • RobHorine

        sDee RobHorine I rather have someone I can trust 5% of the time than someone we can’t trust 100% of the time.

        • Bill589

          RobHorine sDee I think we need to aim higher than 50% if we are to save our constitutional republic.

      • notebene

        sDee RobHorine If either Marco or Jeb are put on that GOP, you can bet Hillary will win!  The GOP will coach those two fools to go easy on Hillary, just like they did Odumbo, and the GOP will look ridiculous.

        • http://cfp4us.org/ AmericanborninCanada

          notebene sDee RobHorine GOP already looks ridiculous.

        • Valin

          notebene
          You are assuming she will be the candidate. I would not bet that she will be.
          In addition it very rarely happens the one party wins the WH for more than 2 terms. If you look at history, there will be a (center right) Republican sitting in the Oval office on Jan. 21 2017.

        • Bill589

          Valin notebene We’re looking at history and trying not to make the same mistakes.  No more “center right” politicians that stand strong for nothing.

    • steprock

      I understand, but how would a RINO like McCain be an improvement?

      • Jayrae

        steprock He wouldn’t.
         It’s time to face facts. A conservative will never get the GOP nomination ever again. Both parties made a pact with each other after Reagan won that they would never allow a conservative to gain any traction. They would kick the legs out from under them before they gathered any momentum. Bush mafia drones took out Palin. Once the GOP gave the signal to the Democrats, they merely piled on. The Bush mafia rather lose to Obama than have a conservative superstar.

         Both parties are corporatist.  The GOP does not represent the little guy, We have no say. We are the grunts that do all the work and the Big Money donors come in and get their corruptocrat elected. The Bush mafia will load up the primaries with conservatives to allow their Big Money corporatist candidate to be the last man standing.
        Insanity is having the same behavior and expecting a different outcome.
        We Floridians moved heaven and earth for Marco Screwbio after Jeb Bush told him no, it’s not your turn. We had fund raisers with doctors. We knocked on doors. We gave up our lives and put them on hold and told the Florida GOP we wouldn’t give them one red cent. TEA Party candidates swept the 2010 Florida elections. We beat the pants off every establishment candidate. On day one after the election the Bush Mafia went to work buying off Florida A/G Pam Bondi and Marco Rubio. Then they redistricted Ret. Lt. Col. Allen West out of his congressional seat. They carpet bombed Newt in the primary here after he won South Carolina. Bush mafia dons Boehner and corrupt Sununu instituted a Rules Change at the convention in Florida that would have made Stalin proud. The Bush mafia removed Florida delegates. The Bush mafia told us in 2012 they didn’t want us in the party. They said they didn’t need us to win. Between the moderates in the party and their precious Independents they would beat Obama.
        When that fairytale didn’t happen they then said they lost because of Latinos.

        If you think Florida isn’t ground zero for this rebellion you’ve got another think coming. We have the battle scars for going up against the corrupt Bush Crime machine. Marco Screwbio wouldn’t win dog catcher here. People are incensed. And they aren’t going to forget. Conservatives in Florida are hell bent on making an example of Screwbio.
        How many times does the Bush mafia have to beat you to a pulp before you get it?

        • Amjean

          I think you are right on many counts and want to add something……Didn’t the democrat party do something similar to Hillary in Michigan (or another state or two!) by taking her delegates and giving them to Obama in 2008?
          I wish I had a better memory!  In the last election, didn’t a bus not deliver delegates to the republican convention?  They were diverted somehow.  Does anyone recall this story?
          Look what the rinos did to Palin!  Not inviting the first female republican VP nominee to have a prominent speaking position at the convention?  Dissing all of us  grassroots conservatives?  Our government doing whatever the heck they want without any regard to the voter’s wishes?  Massive voter fraud that the repubs do nothing about? 
          The handwriting is on the wall.  Its time to move on.

        • Jayrae

          Amjeandidn’t a bus not deliver delegates to the republican convention?  
           Yes, the Bush mafia hijacked the delegates on the bus. They ordered the bus driver to just keep driving them around so they would not be able to vote. That’s the corrupt Bush crime Family for ya!

        • eaglechick

          Jayrae steprock Start with the Bush Machine in Florida..include Pam Bondi..We in AZ are fighting California moving in, and some from back East..Many just don’t pay attention..30 minutes at 5 pm then its back to the grind stone trying to survive.  We need a positive message, don’t deviate, nation wide.  Let’s become Patriots instead of Tea Party.  Florida Patriots, CA Patriots..does New England have a lock on the name.

        • http://cfp4us.org/ AmericanborninCanada

          JayraesteprockSpeaking of Florida Jayrae, Please look at Jorge Bonilla for 19th Dist. Congress race 2014. He’s a CONSTITUTIONAL Conservative, Military Background.  http://constfreparty.blogspot.com/2013/06/endorsements.html

        • dzlegac

          Jayrae Amjean How do you know for a fact that it was Bush people?

        • crosshr

          Jayrae Amjean 
          wow, just wow, !

      • Valin

        steprock  
        Over Barack Obama? With McCain ya got a shot. With Obama ya got no chance. Those were the viable choices on election day in 08. A no brainer.

        • Bill589

          Valin steprock With McCain, we had Sarah Palin.  That was the big difference in that election.

    • KMav

      RobHorine

    • KMav

      RobHorine
      I have been saying for months that this immigration reform is suicidal. The only two questions now are will it pass. If not, then there is still some hope for the party.
      If it passes, then the only question is whether a slow, gradual progression to marxism is prefferable to a hard landing into marxism. I think if we move quickly into it then there is hope we can bounce out of it. Just like we do in reccessions when we hit the bottom hard. But when we hit it softly, like when we have stimulus, then we get stuck in it and it doesn’t go away.
      So even though a third party would likely give Democrats the next election or two, there is hope that their extreme agenda will be rejected. And then a new party can pick up from the ashes.
      In all honesty, I think we are likely doomed either way. Which then gets you to the point of what is simply the right thing to do. Stand up for your principles I think. Truth. The constitution. Border sovereignty. Rule of law. Adhering to laws already passed. If Republicans don’t stand for those things, then I won’t stand with them. And when Republicans wish to commit suicide and help move us towards Marxism, then I will fight them, by helping them expidite those goals, by trying to create a third party.

    • deTocqueville1

      RobHorine Nonsense.

      • RobHorine

        deTocqueville1 RobHorine Personlly I’m pulling for Cruz.   But we better have a serious discussion now.   If someone doesn’t pass the purity test, can we afford 8 years of SuperRadical Hillary and Predator Bill back in the white house?

    • Conservative_Hippie

      I understand what you’re saying, I used to feel the same way, but the political winds have shifted.  If their is ever a time for a third party, now is that time and with a power name like Sarah Palin behind it I think it can be realized!

    • DavidZimmerman2

      RobHorine  
      If, and I say if, we can survive the next three years, it won’t matter whether Hillary takes the helm of the ship or not. It could be totally under water.

    • Is_Sense_Common

      RobHorine It doesn’t matter who they put out there, we need to get used to “Madame President” Shillery.  She will be our next POTUS.  As sick as it makes me, there is NO WAY anyone’s gonna get their stuff together by 2016.  There’s plenty of great Conservatives who could lead a revolution, but I’m not sure they can dodge the bullets coming from Repooplicans and Gimmecrats alike… 
      YET!  God is in charge and He’ll leave a remnant.

      • Bill589

        Is_Sense_Common RobHorine 
        God IS is charge, so I’m not giving up hope.  How I understand ‘acting in faith’, we only lose if we give up.

  • DonnaWhite1

    I’m with you Sarah!!!!!

  • jamesJ

    We MAY have no choice? bank on it. The Republican leadership is convinced that most republicans would buckle at the first sign of a third party forming. TO THEIR DETRIMENT. I am more than willing to see the DEM party win the next several elections if it means the end of the Republican party as it now exists and fosters the rise of a new Independent Party in its place. One thing I know about liberals and the Dem party in general, is that they ALWAYS overreach, and when they do, their main stream voters turn on them and join the opposition, which in this case would be a new Independent Freedom Party. It will be a painful exercise to live through for us baby boomers, but necessary if we truly want to leave a better stronger country for our children and grandchildren to inherit.
    Let’s face it, we have had it too easy and because of our selfishness growing up, have been too concerned about the material comforts we’d have to give up in order to really fight for what the direction and fiscal priorities should be for these United States. It’s time we stopped worrying about ourselves and our comforts and started working on the legacy we are remembered for in history. Right now, we’re the generation who squandered it all away. We were too comfortable, too self-centered, too materialistic, and too busy to be bothered paying attention to what our government was doing. We need to make up for lost time now, and the sooner the better.

  • John_Frank

    Here is the section in the 2012 Republican Party Platform that deals with immigration:

    The Rule of Law: Legal Immigration  (Top)http://www.gop.com/2012-republican-platform_Reforming/#Item11
    “The greatest asset of the American economy is the American worker.
    Just as immigrant labor helped build our country in the past, today’s
    legal immigrants are making vital contributions in every aspect of our
    national life. Their industry and commitment to American values
    strengthens our economy, enriches our culture, and enables us to better
    understand and more effectively compete with the rest of the world.
    Illegal immigration undermines those benefits and affects U.S. workers.
    In an age of terrorism, drug cartels, human trafficking, and criminal
    gangs, the presence of millions of unidentified persons in this country
    poses grave risks to the safety and the sovereignty of the United
    States. Our highest priority, therefore, is to secure the rule of law
    both at our borders and at ports of entry.
    We recognize that for most of those seeking entry into this country,
    the lack of respect for the rule of law in their homelands has meant
    economic exploitation and political oppression by corrupt elites. In
    this country, the rule of law guarantees equal treatment to every
    individual, including more than one million immigrants to whom we grant
    permanent residence every year. That is why we oppose any form of
    amnesty for those who, by intentionally violating the law, disadvantage
    those who have obeyed it. Granting amnesty only rewards and encourages
    more law breaking. We support the mandatory use of the Systematic Alien
    Verification for Entitlements (S.A.V.E.) program – an internet-based
    system that verifies the lawful presence of applicants – prior to the
    granting of any State or federal government entitlements or IRS refunds.
    We insist upon enforcement at the workplace through verification
    systems so that jobs can be available to all legal workers. Use of the
    E-verify program – an internet-based system that verifies the employment
    authorization and identity of employees – must be made mandatory
    nationwide. State enforcement efforts in the workplace must be welcomed,
    not attacked. When Americans need jobs, it is absolutely essential that
    we protect them from illegal labor in the workplace. In addition, it is
    why we demand tough penalties for those who practice identity theft,
    deal in fraudulent documents, and traffic in human beings. It is why we
    support Republican legislation to give the Department of Homeland
    Security long-term detention authority to keep dangerous but
    undeportable aliens off our streets, expedite expulsion of criminal
    aliens, and make gang membership a deportable offense.
    The current Administration’s approach to immigration has undermined
    the rule of law at every turn. It has lessened work-site enforcement –
    and even allows the illegal aliens it does uncover to walk down the
    street to the next employer – and challenged legitimate State efforts to
    keep communities safe, suing them for trying to enforce the law when
    the federal government refuses to do so. It has created a backdoor
    amnesty program unrecognized in law, granting worker authorization to
    illegal aliens, and shown little regard for the life-and-death
    situations facing the men and women of the border patrol.
    Perhaps worst of all, the current Administration has failed to
    enforce the legal means for workers or employers who want to operate
    within the law. In contrast, a Republican Administration and Congress
    will partner with local governments through cooperative enforcement
    agreements in Section 287g of the Immigration and Nationality Act to
    make communities safer for all and will consider, in light of both
    current needs and historic practice, the utility of a legal and reliable
    source of foreign labor where needed through a new guest worker
    program. We will create humane procedures to encourage illegal aliens to
    return home voluntarily, while enforcing the law against those who
    overstay their visas.
    State efforts to reduce illegal immigration must be encouraged, not
    attacked. The pending Department of Justice lawsuits against Arizona,
    Alabama, South Carolina, and Utah must be dismissed immediately. The
    double-layered fencing on the border that was enacted by Congress in
    2006, but never completed, must finally be built. In order to restore
    the rule of law, federal funding should be denied to sanctuary cities
    that violate federal law and endanger their own citizens, and federal
    funding should be denied to universities that provide in-state tuition
    rates to illegal aliens, in open defiance of federal law.
    We are grateful to the thousands of new immigrants, many of them not
    yet citizens, who are serving in the Armed Forces. Their patriotism
    should encourage us all to embrace the newcomers legally among us,
    assist their journey to full citizenship, and help their communities
    avoid isolation from the mainstream of society. To that end, while we
    encourage the retention and transmission of heritage tongues, we support
    English as the nation’s official language, a unifying force essential
    for the educational and economic advancement of – not only immigrant
    communities – but also our nation as a whole.”
    http://www.gop.com/2012-republican-platform_Reforming/#Item11
    In 2012, every Republican House member ran on this platform, and the newly elected Republican members of the U.S. Senate ran on this platform. Paul Ryan, as the Republican VP nominee, went around the country espousing this platform.
    The platform is clear on the topic of amnesty. Yet, notwithstanding this platform, 15 Republican Senators voted in favor of legislation which clearly violates this platform. Now, Representative Ryan is wanting to push legislation in the House that clearly violates this platform.
    If the Republican party platform means nothing, what is the point of being a member of that party?

    • Conservative_Hippie

      Amen!

    • Tamikosmom

      Thanks John_Frank
      Your submission is a keeper!!
       It doesn’t appear there is anything wrong with the Republican Platform encompassing illegal immigration.  The problem is that RINOs are running for office under the Republican banner … saying all the words that Conservatives want to hear and … then once elected they adhere to the Democratic Platform when it comes to voting on bills … adhere to the Democratic Platform without consequences.
      Why are elected representatives not continually vetted to assure they are adhering to the Party’s principles.  The implication would be that every RINO who voted for the immigration bill would automatically be kicked out the Republican Party and by elections would follow.
      “The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves.” – Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

    • http://cfp4us.org/ AmericanborninCanada

      John_Frank From the Constitutional Freedom Party:
      The right to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness will not be possible if the US is attacked again, or overrun with enemies.The Constitutional Freedom Party believes that the Federal Government’s main duty under the Constitution is to provide for the common defense of the citizens, and to defend this nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
      The government has failed miserably in the past few decades in keeping America safe. For too long our government has ignored their first duty.We believe in the idea Ronald Reagan promoted, “Peace through strength.”It is only when the world sees a strong America committed to peace that we are safe.We support our Military and are committed to fight for Rules of Engagement that will allow our military to do their jobs and defend themselves in times of engagement.We will fight to provide the best and necessary equipment that will ensure our men and women will have what they need, and most importantly remove the conditions which have turned our military into a liberal social experiment.
      We are committed to defending our nation’s borders and closing loopholes such as “anchor baby” status for illegal immigrant aliens.We deem that the government for too long has used section 1 of the 14th Amendment for the sole purpose of allowing babies born to illegal aliens citizenship status.United States of America is a sovereign nation and it has established immigration laws.For too long, our government has ignored these laws, and allowed millions to come through an open border undocumented.This is incredibly dangerous and foolish, as it is known that potential terrorists have come across the porous southern border and have set up sleeper cells intent on doing harm to the citizens and nation.We support State rights to enforce immigration laws without hindrance from the federal government.
      We strongly oppose the entitlements and social services provided at taxpayers’ expense to the millions of illegal immigrant aliens.American citizens and legal residents have been footing the bills, which annually run into billions of dollars providing services and welfare to law breakers.It must stop, and we will fight to stop it.
      The money saved from welfare programs for illegals will be used instead to help those who have served and fought for this nation, helping organizations and promoting those who work towards giving the best medical and health related care possible, grants and scholarships for further education opportunities, employment and housing as needed to any Veteran. 
      Main difference between the GOP and the Constitutional Freedom Party, is that CFP was begun by a LEGAL immigrant, and I MEAN IT- whereas the GOP doesn’t give a rip about the Constitution or Americas sovereignty.

  • DonnaWhite1

    We’re getting real short on time now.

  • john11111

    You are so right! EfEm deeply and start 3rd party now – it will be the largerst one within a few years! 
    WE, CONSERVATIVES,  ARE (unorganized)   M A J O R I T Y  ! ! ! !

    • Valin

      john11111  
      #rd party? No I think we should go right to a 5th or even 6th party. And of course it must be above all ideologically pure. No deviation from the party line will be allowed!

    • http://cfp4us.org/ AmericanborninCanada

      john11111 3rd party has started already John. Constitutional Freedom Party: http://constfreparty.blogspot.com/2012/12/motto-constitution-is-not-instrument.html  All other links are at the bottom of the Platform page. Please check us out.

  • doofuschmartz

    My son is in his young 20’s. During the last election he was a Ron Paul supporter. Now he is a Rand Paul/Ted Cruz supporter. He, like so many of his college friends who were either Liberal, Libertarian, or Independent during the last election have totally abandoned the Democratic party because of the Privacy issue which has been compromised as a result of the NSA snooping.  And this same pattern of abandonment by the young people in our country is being played out Nationwide. I heard that O’s support among young voters has suffered a 20-30 point drop just in the past month. And, as more information comes out, it will just get worse. True, some of them will just abandon the political scene altogether, but many will become actively engaged in the political process as they realize that all the promises Obama made to them have just turned out to be so many empty words. He has not done anything that he promised he would do since way back in 2008. Furthermore, I believe that there are some, not a large percent, but enough to make a difference, within the African American Community who are now realizing that they too have been terribly betrayed by the Obama mantra. He has abandoned them worst of all, and I believe that some of their religious leaders are going to wake up and start preaching the gospel according to Jesus instead of Obama, and they will see him for what he is. There are also those Democrats who are staunch 2nd Ammendment Rights Supporters, many of them veterans, who are now feeling betrayed over the liberal gun-grabbing attempt that recently took place in Congress. I could go on and on about the Libertarians, independents, etc…but suffice it to say, I believe that we have a real opportunity to rally people around the new, strong voices  that are speaking out in defense of freedom and our Constitution, and against the waste, fraud and abuses that are going on in our country. If we all just convince 2 or 3 people a month that America needs new, Constitutionally protected leadership, we can and will change things…Believe me convincing my son was no easy task…it can be done…

    • Valin

      doofuschmartz
      ” the NSA snooping which have been reported as a result of the NSA leaks”
      Ask him please for me…What Do You Want To Do?

      • doofuschmartz

        Valin doofuschmartz  Ask who, what?

      • deTocqueville1

        Valin doofuschmartz About what, the unjustified, illegal and unconstitutional intrusion into pivate matters permitted by the basic changes to laws purportedly authorized by the provisions of the Patriot Act?

        • Valin

          deTocqueville1doofuschmartz
          Been asking that question of those who have concerns about the NSA. So far I have not seen a realistic answer. This is what the NSA does collect signals intelligence, and analyses it. 
          Been following this kind of thing for many many years, so when the story broke, my 1st thoughts were, Yes?…..And?

  • deTocqueville1

    Noone should accept the tired old meme that third parties are impossible, that they don’t work or they will result in the ‘good guys’ losing in perpetuity. In fact there are very few ‘good guys’ in DC and indeed in some of the state governments.
    Modern Anglo American history puts the lie to such an argument. There are a number of very successful third parties and third party movements (among which I would categorize the Tea Party) which have started up in Great Britain, Canada and the United States which have replaced existing parties or completely transformed them, thereby changing dramatically the political landscape.
    Such movements and parties succeed when there are profound stuctural changes occurring in society and popular culture. We live in such a time and a third party might very well be what is required for the great restoration.

    • http://cfp4us.org/ AmericanborninCanada

      deTocqueville1 You know I’ve been spamming it for months deTouquevillefriend, but still spamming. Scoop’s gonna have my feathers for this thread I think. But please check us out again, http://constfreparty.blogspot.com/2012/12/motto-constitution-is-not-instrument.html

      • deTocqueville1

        AmericanborninCanada deTocqueville1 Will do.

        • http://cfp4us.org/ AmericanborninCanada

          deTocqueville1 Thank you :-)

  • joyfulgiver

    Over the course of the last month I have received several GOP fund raising letters, each one I have returned with the request to remove me from their mailings until they begin to work for ME and my fellow conservative Americans. I tell the phone solicitors the same thing. Of course I return the letter in the postage paid envelope, too!

    • DCGere

      joyfulgiver For the last three years, I’ve been returning their donation requests with the words, “No more RINOs!” printed on it! They haven’t got the message…

      • DavidZimmerman2

        DCGere joyfulgiver  
        If I were to hazard a guess, the small donors like us don’t constitute a large portion of their funds. The wall street boys and mega-millionaires provide the bulk.

        • tlvance

          DavidZimmerman2 DCGere joyfulgiver Large donors can buy them airtime,lobby for them,etc…but we have the vote.Just takes one finger and blam…..waste their money.

        • DCGere

          DavidZimmerman2 DCGere joyfulgiver Concur yet still gives me warm fuzzies to send it to them :)

  • MartyBonkowski

    I been saying the same thing, GOP keeps asking me why I haven’t sent in my donations for 2013 and I just don’t trust them anymore. People like Graham and McCain have made me rethink being a republican. I will join Sarah and Mark if they want to create this new party.

  • Conservative_Hippie

    The Freedom, Party does have a nice ring to it!  And if you put the word Constitutional in that title it would onbly make it more awesome!  The Constitutional Freedom Party – https://www.facebook.com/#!/groups/CFP4US/

    • uncmetsgal

      Conservative_Hippie I love the name, C_H!  LOVE LOVE LOVE IT!
      In the last 2 weeks, I have gotten AT LEAST a dozen pieces of mail from the RNC, the NRCC, and other spokes of the Republican Party wheel.  They keep asking me to complete their surveys — rating everything from the economy to national security to amnesty — and I swear to GOD Almighty, I have ZERO interest in taking my time to respond because I *KNOW* they’re not listening to conservatives like me.
      It got me to thinking…  If I feel like my “party” is not interested in my views, why stay?
      I know I am not alone in that… and I do think this party is going to split.  SOON.

  • http://www.navalwarfare.blogspot.com/ Libertyship46

    It’s about time somebody said it!!!  There really isn’t much of a reason to stick with the Republicans if they’re determined to be nothing more than a Democratic light party. The Republican elites just are not listening to us. And where did their moderate RINO presidential candidates, McCain and Romney, get them? NOWHERE. Yet they are determined to repeat their same mistakes over and over again. Forget it. If they’ve stopped listening to us, it’s time we stopped listening to them. Perhaps instead of the Freedom Party, just call it the Conservative Party. Give people a clear choice. And when they write up the post-mortum on the Republican party, they can say tht they disappeared because they stopped listening to the people that supported them.

  • Tamikosmom

    AUGUST, 2012
    .
    Sarah Palin: Third party is ‘a possibility’ if GOP forgets its conservative platform
    Wed Aug 29, 2012
    .
    http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/sarah-palin-third-party-is-a-possibility-if-gop-forgets-its-platform/
    .
    .
    JUNE, 2013
    .
    Sarah Palin floats idea of leaving the Republican Party [VIDEO]
    06/29/2013
    .
    http://dailycaller.com/2013/06/29/sarah-palin-floats-idea-of-leaving-republican-party-video/
    .
    .

  • RReaganRepublic

    “Sarah Palin sent a warning shot over the bow of the GOP, suggesting that if they continue to back away from the principles in our party, people are going to form a new party and she might be among them”
    Exactly, We the People have had enough. We are fed up with these treasonous GOP est McRINOs and their appeasing collusional leadership with Obama and his fascist anti-American Democrats in the US Senate and the House / Congress.  Either there is an opposition political party machine apparatus, or there is not, and if not, then We the People will make one.
    This is a tipping point of no return message, which Sarah Palin stated loud and clear to the RINO GOP leadership- either respect the will of the people, and be and act like the opposition political party, or we will abandon you to a dismal demise fate that will go the way of the Whig Party.

    • KillngAmerJobs

      I’m with Sarah I have had it. If Boehner let’s the bill go to conference – it’s over man-it’s over!

  • Amjean

    We might be forgetting something.  There are many who used to be called, Blue Dog Democrats, who might also jump at the opportunity to join a new party.  I can’t believe that all democrats like what is going on any more than we do.

    • RReaganRepublic

      Amjean Exactly, they are the Reagan Democrats, the pro-American blue collar working people of America- aka the Middle Class, whom are finding out Obama is destroying their Middle Class and disguising it as fairness, while Obama and his sycophant oligarch hierarchy elitist permanent political class powers that be, that are connected, are protected, enjoy all they can steal and loot from the American tax payer.

      • KillngAmerJobs

        Republicans are helping destroy American jobs and suppress wages-that’s what the Immgration bill does with all it’s special interest and pork! Reince Priebus is supporting and pushing the bill!

        • DavidZimmerman2

          KillngAmerJobs  
          Not surprising. He is definitely part of the GOPe. Not a friend to conservatives.

    • excopconservative

      Amjean The anti-abortion democrats are out there but up until now have stayed in the democrat corner.  Also many liberals don’t like the idea of Big Brother watching them. Obama has put cracks in the cement holding the party together.  He has pushed the party to the Marxist limit.

      Hillary up against Sarah is a bad visual for the dems.  All Sarah has to say is “Benghazi” and Hillary will come unglued.

    • deTocqueville1

      Amjean Thanks. Exactly what Palin has alluded to for some time.

  • famouswolf

    Something else, too. Palin has demonstrated a talent for fusing disparate groups together to accomplish actual results. Look at her record as Governor to see what I mean.
    I’m in for a third party. What have we got to lose? We certainly have a lot to win! Let’s roll the bones!

  • K-Bob

    The major obstacle to forming a viable third party is the states.
    ——  This is not like the 1860’s, when a new party could ——
    ————- get on the ballot much faster and easier —————
    A) In most states, the Reeps and Dems get taxpayer money applied to run their primary elections.  Smaller parties don’t get access to this money.  So the two parties have a massive monetary advantage there. (one way around this is to have and host your own primaries, meeting in peoples’ homes if need be).

    B) In most states, getting a new party on the ballot requires a LOT of organizing, and has to be completed far in advance of an actual election cycle in order to be a viable alternative at the polls.  The timing, the petition rules, and the inertia to be overcome can be daunting, but are not impossible if we get some serious national players involved.  But that’s not the worst of it:  In most states, the petitions have to be certified, and the corruption in that process can be as bad as the corruption in the White House.
    C) In too many states, the primaries are OPEN.  This means a small party participating in the primary elections can be greatly damaged by the Reeps and Dems by people jumping in to vote for the worst candidates.  (Of course, as above, some states will let you run your own primaries however you have to do so to arrive at a candidate.)

    D) Finally, the states usually have some board or branch of state that oversees elections, including which candidates or parties make it on the ballot. In so-called “blue” states, dealing with them will be like dealing with the Chicago Machine or Tammany Hall.

    So forming a third party is a long-term solution at best. It could take ten years or more to get on all fifty state ballots, especially with the two major parties trying like h*ll to block us at every turn (and make no mistake, the Cotton Conservatives and Rockerfeller Republicans will try to block us at every turn).
    . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Restoration Is The Goal . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
    We need a short-term solution because we have one last chance to save the Republic, and we do not have ten years to get it done.  A Hillary presidency will ring out the end of our Republic, much as the Liberty Bell rang it into existence.  I have already http://therightscoop.com/allen-west-abraham-lincoln-only-served-one-term-in-congress-too/#comment-725883247, (scroll down for VOTE WEST) and I want others to come up with something else. Preferably something better; my proposal can’t be the only one! I really want people to think on this and help us come up with something, or at the very least help us improve on the VOTE WEST concept.

    But we must not ignore the long term.  Some still think of us as being on the edge of a cliff.  We’re not.  We went over that cliff with the re-election of barack, which made sure that the PP&AC Act got its tendrils firmly into our government.  That beast now thrives, and to remove it from our backs will be a herculean task.  The moral cowards in the Republican party have followed a path of appeasement, which has made certain that the beast’s removal will be nearly impossible. Sadly, they think this appeasement will protect them while the nation falls into the usual crumbling, grey dystopia that always attends the takeover by totalitarians (who always manage to take over while masquerading as compassionate socialists).
    The long term will require that we form a third party.  A Restoration-oriented party. A party which champions Liberty above all. A third party also must have a presence at the grass roots level, and in state committees. It requires several Governors’ blessings (implicit or explicit) to enable it to form. But we must prepare for its failure at the same time, because it’s increasingly obvious that failure of any such third party will likely result in war.  Maybe not immediately, but with each passing day that we move further from restoration, war becomes more certain.
    Given the above, I urge people not to think of a third party as our solution right now. If God intervenes and grants the people the inspiration to follow a third party immediately, and if the right people form it, then a miracle will happen.  But God rewards hard work, not wishes. You don’t plan on a miracle.  We need a way to get ahead of the third party curse that has attached to our Republic, and something like VOTE WEST is one example.
    A last note of warning: http://www.larryniven.net/stories/nivens_laws_2002.shtml has a corollary.  No political movement is so virtuous that it will not have leaders who gain their position for corrupt reasons.  This is another problem with third parties.  Just ask Trotsky’s ghost.

    • famouswolf

      I have to disagree, K-Bob. I think our only two alternatives are a successful third party or civil war. Now. It’s maybe not a good chance, but I sense some surprises coming down the pike, such as Mrs. Palin’s talent for bringing people together, and background work that may be underway as we speak. You never know.
      Essentially it appears to me that there is now one party dominating DC and masquerading as two. I don’t see much difference in results or much in how fast it happens whether the next occupant of the White House hides behind a D or an R.

      • jedward1000

        famouswolf I am in a Large state and involved with the Tea Party here. I can guarantee you that there are some surprises coming. Here in this Large state there are going to be some establishment GOP that are going to get a good run in the primaries from Tea Party backed conservatives. We have had ENOUGH.

        • famouswolf

          Glad to hear that. If I can make contacts I’ll be doing my part here.

      • http://cfp4us.org/ AmericanborninCanada
        • famouswolf

          Thank you, Duckie. It’s on my favorites.

        • http://cfp4us.org/ AmericanborninCanada

          famouswolf thanks sweet friend.

      • deTocqueville1

        famouswolf Agree!

      • K-Bob

        famouswolf I didn’t mention that I think we’re on a course for war, and only a miracle will prevent it now, but in that light, I think you and I agree.  I’m just fishin’ for the “miracle” part, and I don’t think the act of forming a third party (all by itself as a solution) is it.  See my new comment for more.

    • JohnMcAvoy

      K-Bob I tend to agree with K-Bob,  but I am quickly loosing all interest in the Republican party.  Ohio Gov Kasich and my state rep (both Republicans) are big supporters of expanding Obamacare in Ohio.
      I’m very active in Ohio Conservative movement, and its been a very difficult challenge to get conservatives to make a party takeover attempt. The vast majority are thru with Republicans, and although I a staunch 2 party person (for all the reasons K-Bob stated) ,  I to am about to say the heck with the Republicans.

      • deTocqueville1

        JohnMcAvoy K-Bob Well then it must be the other route.

    • DavidZimmerman2

      K-Bob  
      Perot did it. George Wallace came close. 
      Nothing is easy, but tackling the GOP will prove just as difficult due to the changes they put in at the GOP convention. Baring an earthquake, Jeb is a shoo in.

      • notebene

        DavidZimmerman2 K-Bob If the GOP pick Jeb as their candidate, they might as well save the campaign money because Hillary will win.  Why? Because the GOP will decide to be all gentlemanly with that trollop and never point out her abuses as SOS!  She’s a woman and the GOP will show the same cowardice that they did with Odumbo because he is black.  In an effort to not look sexist on top of trying to not look racist, the idiots in the  GOP will crumble like a house of cards!

        • K-Bob

          notebene DavidZimmerman2 K-Bob  
          I think we need to send the strong message that, third party or not, Jeb won’t get our vote.   Nor any other progressive/moderate.

    • notebene

      K-Bob you make some viable points.  Definitely something to consider.  Do you think Levine and Palin would put out that threat to the GOP leadership if they couldn’t back it up?  Both have a great deal of power and I would not be surprised if they did not already have a game plan.  I was surprised when Palin came back to Fox and wondered that when she did, if she didn’t have something in mind.  Today’s warning to the GOP makes me believe she does!

      • K-Bob

        notebene K-Bob The one problem we have with her is that she’s big on “wait and see”.  Maybe this time around she’ll put more cards on the table.

    • BernardKingIII

      K-Bob – The primary point of a third party is to punish the GOP leadership for ignoring its base.  If they want to hold on to what meager power they still retain, we will not tolerate another Romney, McCain, or Dole – and especially not a Marco Rubio, Jeb Bush, Chris Christie, or Rob Portman.  We need to make it very clear to the RNC elites that we will not sit back and be pandered to for another election cycle, and if they defy the grassroots, they must be forced to bear the consequences.

      • http://cfp4us.org/ AmericanborninCanada

        BernardKingIIIK-Bob The Constitutional Freedom Party didn’t start to punish the GOP- as much as they deserve it. It was begun because we need to return to and preserve the Constitution and values which Made America the best, and to fight for it to give it back to those who have fought for us. People are sick of having nothing more than the lesser of two evils to choose from. http://constfreparty.blogspot.com/2012/12/motto-constitution-is-not-instrument.html

    • http://cfp4us.org/ AmericanborninCanada

      K-Bob :-(

      • K-Bob

        AmericanborninCanada K-Bob  
        Not to worry!  I purposely buried something of importance in the above article, that folks didn’t catch on the first read.
        The fact is, we do need a third party. I write that in paragraph 3, under “Restoration Is The Goal.”  I just think we really need a way around the third party curse in order to make it reality.  That’s why the VOTE WEST idea.  Get a strong candidate (West/Cruz/Palin) in office first, and build the party around them.
        Similarly, if we all pull together to make it happen, we can put our candidate on top of the Republican (or Libertarian) ticket by using the VOTE WEST trick.  But mainly, we can simply run a candidate VOTE WEST style, and claim it’s a third party, without having to go through the barriers of getting the party on the ballot in every state.
        There’s an important second subtext, also.  We don’t have ten years to stop Death By Hillary.  But even with the VOTE WEST trick, we need a third party to send our money to, to begin vetting local candidates (like CFP is doing), and to put together a platform for Liberty that can be used as a touchstone for selecting more candidates to step up.
        My main point is, we need something NOW.
        I’ll put up another thing at the top that I was hoping someone else would touch on, and I think it’s a path more like the VOTE WEST idea, but slightly different.  I’ll title it “Another Way”.

        • http://cfp4us.org/ AmericanborninCanada

          K-Bob I’m frazzled K-Bob, so I didn’t notice it either. Thank you for ‘splainin’ to me. You know I am totally on board with WEST/CRUZ or CRUZ/WEST!! I’d personally like to see West in the top spot to help get our Military back!! They need someone who they can RESPECT as their commander in chief again.
          Thank you K-Bob!! :-)

    • salty walty

      K-Bob Not this complicated K-Bob. Palin is intervening and inspiring us. I am ready.

      • K-Bob

        salty walty K-Bob 
        Sure, I get that.  “Inside baseball” is actually complicated. Showing up for the game isn’t.  I’m dealing with the complications, but that’s why baseball works, too: some folks sweat all the small stuff, because they are able to contribute there (coaches).  Others make an entire career out of being a fan (like Ernie Harwell), and the fortunate few get to actually play the game.

        • salty walty

          K-Bob salty walty Well said K-Bob. You do inspire me…Thanks

        • K-Bob

          salty walty K-Bob You’re welcome!  I’m sure you’ll need to yell at me later, though.  I come up with some pretty bad ideas sometimes.

        • http://cfp4us.org/ AmericanborninCanada

          K-Bob since when?!

        • K-Bob

          AmericanborninCanada K-Bob  The K-Missus knows!

        • http://cfp4us.org/ AmericanborninCanada

          K-Bob lol.  Oh man I’d love to have a chance to talk with her ;-)  If I ever do go for that Senate thing, and you decide to build the Boogie Compound South, maybe I’ll get a chance lol.  Night K-Bob. Thank you for encouraging me so much!!

        • K-Bob

          AmericanborninCanada K-Bob You bet!

    • deTocqueville1

      K-Bob The election laws of the states can be challenged and changed. I disagree strongly with your thinking on this specific issue.

      • K-Bob

        deTocqueville1 K-Bob  
        You don’t expect those state laws to be changed in time to end Death By Hillary, though, do you?
        Maybe in Texas or North Dakota.  Not in New York or California.

  • KillngAmerJobs

    I was actually sending out tweets to Reps to not support Imm Bill Then I find out today Reince Prebus is pushing it.DONE! I QUIT

    • friskyness

      KillngAmerJobs   That’s what the GOPe wants…….they are purging the party of conservatives………I say stay and drive them crazy to oblivion!

      • tlvance

        friskyness KillngAmerJobs Staying is more to what they want,and count on.

  • Willie Heath

    Sarah Palin and Mark Levin are simpatico. Sarah Palin just gave the clairon call to the GOP, best they heed the womans warning. Sarah Palin and Mark Levin have broad bandwidth together that they can make life miserable for the GOP. Sarah palin has been hinting of this for quite some time. Better wake up GOP RINO NEO CONS, because shortly you will be hearing the song “Turn Out The Lights The Partys Over”!

  • worldchamp

    I am ready to move on from the Republican Party. I know it takes time, however this is not the party that makes sense to me any longer. The Freedom Party………….has a ring to it! It’s time

  • Jayrae

    Mark Levin just tweeted
    Mark R. Levin
    ‏@marklevinshow
    8m
    GOP establishment has been warned with the link to this thread on RS

    • IsraeliCojones

      Jayrae Retweeted ;)

      • Jayrae

        IsraeliCojones Jayrae Hey, sistah!

        • IsraeliCojones

          Jayrae IsraeliCojones LOL, you’re on fire everywhere, except on P4A?! What gives? Been missing you, sis :)

        • Jayrae

          IsraeliCojones Jayrae I just liked all your comments there. I agree totally. Vote every GOP establishment candidate out in 2014. If there is no conservative running, I’m voting for the Democrat. The GOP either becomes the opposition party or they are done. They will get the message fast. It takes balls to do it but I am an enabler no more. Who needs Dem lite when you can have the entire jackass?
          What the hell the GOP is siding with the Democrats anyway and pushing the Democrats agenda. Let’s beat them at their own game! Let’s double cross them instead.

        • IsraeliCojones

          Jayrae IsraeliCojones 
          Agreed 100%. 
          I wish everyone would get it, because it’s the fastest way of getting rid of them and retake the whole thing.
          Third party may be the slowest and the most hazardous.

      • http://cfp4us.org/ AmericanborninCanada

        IsraeliCojones Hey IsraeliCojones! It’s good to see you!

        • IsraeliCojones

          AmericanborninCanada IsraeliCojones Been off the web quite a while. Slowly returning :)
          Thanks for remembering me, ABIC ;)

        • http://cfp4us.org/ AmericanborninCanada

          IsraeliCojones Hope all is ok. I have missed you :-) Btw, @CFP4US is now following you on twitter lol. I’m at a limit right now on my own account, but I’ll follow you from there when I’m ‘allowed’.  @ABiCduckie. 
          It is good to see you! :-)

        • IsraeliCojones

          AmericanborninCanada IsraeliCojones You’re going to be disappointed. I tweet even more rarely than I post.

          I’ll follow you back anyway. :) Thanks for the warm welcome :)

        • http://cfp4us.org/ AmericanborninCanada

          IsraeliCojones AmericanborninCanada lol. Thats ok. :-) You’re very welcome! :-)

      • deTocqueville1

        IsraeliCojones Good to see you back in the fray IC.

  • clubgitmo

    Sign me up asap. I’m done with the GOP.

  • tlvance

    So many are so ready.All that is needed is strong leadership.I do not think in the thousands…no.I believe in the millions.I want my country back!!!!

    • friskyness

      tlvance that’s what Sarah is saying……if the House passes immigration amnesty the conservatives will never vote GOP again……and it will take several cycles if ever for Hispanic’s to vote GOP……….she is saying the GOP is through in national politics……she said many will go independent……..meaning good-bye GOP……I think the GOP knows this and they don’t care……THEY ARE purging the party of all conservatives, so it’s no skin off their backs if conservatives leave………….

      • tlvance

        friskyness tlvance And that will hopefully be their downfall.The conservative base is vast.No small part of the electorate.Large enough i believe to take on the roll.Dems and GOP want us to believe we would be foolish in the attempt.We would be foolish not to.

        • friskyness

          tlvance friskyness  the GOPe should already know from 2012 and all the way before to 2006 that the base has left them……..they haven’t done anything to get them back…………I don’t think they care if they never win the WH again, I think for now, it’s just maintaining the GOPe that’s already in power……it’s self preservation……they haven’t learned anything from what happened in California!

        • tlvance

          friskyness tlvance Time to teach them.Massive defections would get everyone’s attention.

        • friskyness

          tlvance friskyness You’re right, but it’s frustrating to know Hillary Clinton will be our next president and liberals will win national elections forever…………..

        • tlvance

          friskyness tlvance I feel your pain.But i try to be a glass half full guy.With so many disheartened and the right leadership i think an impact could be made before 2016.

        • famouswolf

          Yeah, like they are playing at being and ‘opposition’ party but actually are just preserving their position and gravy train.

        • LindaLeague

          tlvance friskyness I actually think we may get more democrats than you think. A lot want he same thing that we want, they just think its the Republicans fault, however they may see the light. Quite a few Blacks hooking up with the Tea Party too.

        • Bill589

          friskyness tlvance Not forever.

        • deTocqueville1

          LindaLeague Completely agree!

  • notebene

    My husband and I dumped our GOP registration for an independent status.  The GOP lost us last year with that ridiculous banana republic election and have continued to add insult to injury with every appeasement they have bowed to.  I didn’t need Levine or Palin to send a warning to the GOP, but I do enjoy the GOP quaking in their cowardly boots!  Hear this GOP, you betrayed the American people just as much as the Democrats have.  I believe you want that “fundamental change” that the progressives have been pushing and in fact completely believe that these progressives are completely in the drivers seat.  Continuing to go against your conservative base, follow Karl Rove, and feign bi-partisan garbage only proves my point.  We will NEVER vote for Jeb Bush, and if Karl Rove is in charge of picking one single candidate in any race, we will not vote for that candidate, and go one step further as to campaign for the other side…even if it’s a flaming communist!  At least the communist is being honest about wanting to control every aspect of our lives, take away our Constitutional rights, keeping personal data, and spying on us!  May the GOP go the way of the wigs!

    • Is_Sense_Common

      notebene You’ve got me with you, but I’ll NEVER vote for a gimmecrat/commie.  They’re one & the same…  I’ll write my dog in before I’d vote for any of them.

      • notebene

        Is_Sense_Common notebene Not saying I’d like the commie, but frankly, they’ve taken over already.  Last election proved to me that we were indeed duped, and the GOP was completely in on it!  They never fought one single battle regarding the voter fraud…even when the evidence was plain as day!  I believe our current government would best be described as soft communism, and that both parties are completely infiltrated with communists.  By 2016 we will not recognize our nation.

    • jedward1000

      notebene Great job!  I had a long talk with the republican senatorial donation committee caller the other day.  I told him the GOP needs to embrace more conservative ideals and get on board with the Tea Party folks.  I also said sure send me a donation envelope. I plan to send it back with a picture of a hundred dollar bill and a label from a box of tea, with the words, you want the money start drinking more of this.

      • notebene

        jedward1000 notebene LOL!!  I love it!!  Good for you!

    • Conniption Fitz

      So did I – enough of the GOP after they ran Romney, failed to stop the obscene spending and now the Gang of 8 obscenity of a Bill…enough of these idiots.

  • http://cfp4us.org/ AmericanborninCanada
    • http://cfp4us.org/ AmericanborninCanada

      Ted Cruz is following. Darrell Issa is following. Alveda King, Actors, musicians, PolitiChicks,, Tea Party groups.  Not that all have joined membership yet, but we are growing daily.

      • tlvance

        AmericanborninCanada GOD bless the USA!!!!

        • http://cfp4us.org/ AmericanborninCanada

          tlvance AmericanborninCanada Our Foundation is on God. So I hope He blesses us. :-)

  • johnsonenterprises1

    D.C Sewer is overflowing! Elect the clean-up ladies  Palen-Bachmann
                                     American Patriots – Non Party

  • rhhhhh380

    I want the America I had growing up. And I want it for all of The United States. God,Freedom a thriving economy and pride in America. Some of the things the GOP has done makes me cringe. It appears this is not only a concern of mine.

  • jedward1000

    Tea Time!

  • GregZotta

    It may not be necessary to start a new party, but to purge the party of the RINO’s.

    • kimber1911

      GregZotta  Great  Idea, One big problem The one that are left behind sooner or later become RINO’s themselves.. it’s a disease that permeates  Washington DC .

    • CDianeYoder

      We’ve been working that angle for the last five years with some success but truly not enough RINOs being ousted.  Besides, the word “Republican” is tainted.  Time to start anew with a full and immediate purging of RINOs

  • bhliberty

    I already moved on!  Changed my party affilation to “none”!  Just yesterday I received a letter from the RNC asking for donations!  I sent the blank donation slip back and wrote, “Sorry, I’m no longer a Republican!  I’m a conservative!”  
    Palin is spot on!

  • WildPanther

    Does THAT not tell you what kind of people we are? How unique of a country we live in? If we were ANY other people or country…we would of rioted and revolted already. GOP is finished, they are SO obsessed with destroying us conservatives, they’re willing to kill the party.

  • Is_Sense_Common

    Oh Miss Sarah & Mark… don’t y’all know that there’s already the making of a Constitutional Freedom Party!  All that’s needed is YOUR voice!
    http://constfreparty.blogspot.com/2012/12/motto-constitution-is-not-instrument.html

  • Judges718

    The GOP abandoned me years ago.  It has lacked principled conservative leadership since Gingrich resigned as Speaker of the House.  
    Name one principled conservative GOP LEADER since Gingrich.  There have been plenty of principled members since, but not anyone in a position of leadership. 
    They have taken my vote for granted for years now.  It is the same every election cycle.  You don’t want to vote for the Democrat, so where else are you going to go?  All the while, with each GOP capitulation and compromise the nation inches closer to the abyss.  Well, we are no longer inching, we are now careening. 
    I have voted for my last milquetoast mealy-mouthed liberal Republican.  
    The only way to save the republic is a Third Party, and it is way overdue.
    Make no mistake a third party means in the short term we will lose power and things will deteriorate rapidly.  However, in the long term, we will comprise the largest voting block in the country, and as a consequence, it is we that will be pandered to, rather than racist ethnic groups and third world welfare colonists.

  • MikeHenry1

    I encourage our conservative politicians and people of money & power, along with all of the god fearing, patriotic people of this great nation, to stand up and fight oppression ! We once had a civil war, and it was ugly, but This country was founded on solid belief’s and principals, and the correct side was victorious !! We need leadership right now ! Our country is dissolving into a pile of crap under this so called leadership !! We need to unite and never become divided like OBAMA has so skillfully done !! I am sick & tired of hearing Im gonna do this and that, by so called leader’s. Get Clint Eastwood up their, I would vote for him ! At least he has an old pair of ball’s, to tell this asswipe of an administration what he think’s, QUOTE : Obama is the single most fraud to ever be perpetuated on the American people !!                                     Irish parliament , QUOTE: Obama is going for the hypocrite of the century !!! Something short of our lord god coming down to straighten thing’s out need’s to happen soon, or I welcome his coming now to end this tyranny !!!!

  • jedward1000

    Please do not forget to get involved in your city and state governments as well. Many states are facing problems, bubbling just beneath the surface. We need good, strong conservatives in office local and state as well to truly heal this nation.

    • deTocqueville1

      jedward1000 Yes, it requires ground up restoration.

  • GuidoNeroFL

    By losing two presidential races to a nobody the GOP has lost it’s right to be a national political party ! Thanks to RINO’s like McCain and his bought off fellow traveler Rubio etc. the time has come to dissolve itself !!!

    • RayBrown1

      GuidoNeroFL W was the only real republican that has won outright, Bush 1 won on the back of Reagan’s coat tails,  and remember it was Doles time, he lost, then Bush won, then obama won, then it was McCain’s  time.  The the moderate Romney lost.  I felt like Reagan when they ran Dole, The republican party LEFT me.  If Palin does not start a third party I feel the only logical thing would be to try to get Texas and a few of the middle states to pull out of the Union and start over again.

      • K-Bob

        RayBrown1 GuidoNeroFL W is a Rockerfeller Republican who likes country & western style, and is more religious than his family.  But he’s still a Rockerfeller Republican.  And he only won because Gore was such a remarkable doofus with no personality.  He was so bad that Bush managed to win almost by default.
        But Bush did not appeal strongly to conservatives.  He just appealed better than McCain, who even back then gave off a vibe of being untrustworthy and erratic.
        Bush didn’t run a Reagan-style campaign, either.  He came in with mush, moderate ideas on day one.  If Clinton hadn’t lost control of his “real” brain, Gore would have won handily.

        • deTocqueville1

          K-Bob RayBrown1 GuidoNeroFL Absolutely K-Bob.

      • GuidoNeroFL

        RayBrown1 GuidoNeroFL 
        I like this thinking !!

  • kimber1911

    I am so ready for the Freedom Party or what ever you want to call it as long as it isn’t the Republicrap and or Democrap party.
    The republicraps have crossed us too many times.. They make promises that they have no intentions on keeping, and are just as bad at lying to us as the Obama administration is.
    What We want are representatives that keep their word and run on conservative ideas. What we have are self serving, Career politicians that make sure that they come first.. and to hell with their constituents !!
    So bring on the third party lets make it happen and lets show these RINO’s what the word extinction means !

  • ElizabethV111

    It’s time. No more talk or warnings. I have been suggesting this as many have, because you can only pick up a snake so many times and not die from the venom. I just wonder who will walk out in front. I think Herman Cain should be one of the first to introduce the new “Freedom Party” !

  • RayBrown1

    This is music to my ears!!!!!!  I thought that it would be Levin that would have announced first as I predicted 3 or 4 months ago right here on RS!

  • KarlRogue

    Ahoy Sarah! Welcome Aboard!

  • LindaLeague

    I would like to see Sarah with the help of others like Herman and real conservatives form the Freedom Party. I believe that people would abandon the Republican party in droves.  So many people feel they have no representation  or even what the Republicans stand for anymore. I can hardly tell the difference between parties . Hard to support a party like this.

  • CDianeYoder

    Herman Cain, Rick Santorum, Michelle Bachmann, Allen West, Jason Chafetz, Mike Lee, Rand Paul, Sarah Palin, Trey Gowdy, Jim Lankford, Jim Bridenstine, Ted Cruz, Tim Scott, just to name a few.

  • CDianeYoder

    No more provoking or threats.  The GOP will continue to screw the conervatives because they think that they are our only choice (the other choice is to stay home election day–ask Romney how that worked out).
    It is past time to form a third party.  Leave Rove, O’Reily, Bushes, Rubio, McCain, and all the rest of the GOP RINOs to fail to ever win an elected office again.

  • CDianeYoder

    Freedom Party is a great name.  The name needs to be something the low-info voters (LIV) can understand.  Liberty, Constitution, Tea Party are all good but LIV cannot at all relate to any of those concepts, so for that reason, the names do not work.
    But the LIV do know the word FREEDOM.

    • famouswolf

      LOL Yep, most of ‘em saw Braveheart. That word holds freight in more than one venue.

  • Hawkman007

    You can count me to show up to the Freedom Party…
    The Famous Patrick Henry once said….Give Me Liberty or Give me Death!.

  • salty walty

    PALIN CRUZ 2016 FREEDOM PARTY

  • deTocqueville1

    DonnyBlackmore Yesssss!

  • Matt2Matt

    I’m in.

  • K-Bob

    – Another Way —

    Picking up on the subthread I initiated below, I have another pathway to offer up.  I held it in reserve hoping someone else would tackle it. Apologies if it’s been covered in a comment I didn’t see yet.
    As I mentioned in the section headed Restoration Is The Goal,  we need a way to break the third party curse.
    Some background: Let’s face it, for better or worse, our thought leaders in the political arena are media personalities.  Those who write books and articles are influential among the media folks, and are often picked up for commentary by them.  But most people catch the discussion while driving or listening at work.  (Thank God for Scoop’s clips.  They are perfect for coffee breaks).  I’m betting all of you have wondered at one time or another, why Rush or Sean don’t just declare their favorite and get it over with, instead of torturing us with treating a huckster like Huckabee as the intellectual equal of Newt. Or letting Allen West have to yell over some obnoxious totalitarian fool for two minutes instead of interviewing him by himself for five.
    Well, the media folks all worry they will be gone in six weeks.  The best of them worry about not being able to pull their weigh in Restoring the nation if they are gone.  The worst worry about losing out on a lucrative contract.  Whatever the personal motivation, they cannot do their job if they are off the air.  Well, the kiss of death in broadcasting is to be shown to be totally wrong about something.  A case in point is Geraldo Riviera.  If not for the stupid, empty safe, Geraldo was on his way to having his own prime-time news show back in 1986.  Instead he beclowned himself, and was relegated to daytime tv, specials and interviews for decades.
    For this reason, our talk radio folks are meticulously careful not to put all of their carefully-accumulated credibility on the line by backing someone who could cough up a “Macaca/I’m Not A Witch” furball in a national campaign, and thus end up losing their audience.  It seems cowardly at first glance, but it isn’t.  It’s an incredibly difficult thing to do, building up an audience and maintaining market share, while doing your best to help restore this Republic.  If it were easy, people could just copy Rush and succeed.  Knowing a bit about the media and entertainment as a career, I promise you it isn’t as easy as those folks make it look.
    So what’s this “Other Way” on which I’m avoiding getting to the point?
    It’s time for our media folks: Rush, Sean, Mark, Hugh, Laura, and the rest, to make a stand, and pick someone.  Let the experiment be made.  If they all join us in selecting Allen West, Ted Cruz, or Sarah Palin as “the” candidate, and we all just get on board, despite ALL reservations and old grudges (like we had with Newt, for example), then announcing a third party can work.  We have them talk about it constantly, and treat both of the other parties as poison.
    That’s it.  You folks can help figure out a way to make it work. And by the way, it could make common cause with other parties, like they do in Parliamentary systems.  Join up with the writers of Reason Magazine and get Ron Paul on board.
    I’ll stop there.  Someone else pick up the thread!

    • salty walty

      K-Bob Does Rush, Sean, Mark, or whoever have the balls to name our leader?

      • K-Bob

        salty walty K-Bob It’s how George Washington became our leader.  So clearly in a time of crisis, someone must locate their manhood, if only for the few moments it takes to get the job done.
        So yes.  I predict Levin will, because he said several times he was going to get behind someone early in the next election cycle.

        • http://cfp4us.org/ AmericanborninCanada

          K-Bobsalty walty”THESE are the times that try men’s souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value” Thomas Paine

          We need to find our true Patriots. Hopefully Levin will be one of them, but the time is now.

    • http://cfp4us.org/ AmericanborninCanada

      K-Bob You bring up some excellent points K-Bob.  Toongoon just told me something a few minutes ago, and now it’s a little more clear. We the people- the regular people can do this, because we’ve got NOTHING left to lose. We’re not big talk radio hosts, we’re not big authors (no matter how much I wish I was lol) so we can state and stand firm on our cause, on our choice and to he!! with the GOP/Dems and anyone else.  If folks like Rush or Levin, or Sarah or any of them want to get on board, all the better, but we don’t need to wait for them first.  Some of us have been working for months without them already. It’s time for them to choose whether they want to join us or not.

      • K-Bob

        AmericanborninCanada K-Bob  
        Absolutely! oHAYULLyeah!

        • http://cfp4us.org/ AmericanborninCanada

          K-Bob YAY!

      • famouswolf

        YES!!!

      • Kcid Rekrap

        AmericanborninCanada K-Bob One more thing…. I believe, after what they have stated this week,  Sarah and Mark would be the perfect dynamic duo to put together the “new ” party candidates. I would not hesitate one minute to climb aboard for anyone they put out there. No flip-flopping for these two.

    • famouswolf

      Agreed. That is why I mentioned Palin’s talent for bringing groups together to accomplish tangible results.
      She managed to get results as Governor with a mostly Democrat legislature, for instance.
      But yes, we must absolutely back one candidate and drop old grudges. E pluribus unum.

      • K-Bob

        famouswolf
        I often told folks that certain people like Palin or even Hermann Cain would likely become great leaders if they could just magically be placed in office.  Having to battle big Republicanism in a primary scares most of them off, or causes so many wounds they cannot run a great campaign later.
        So I’m willing to bet that, despite all the claims by folks on the right that, “Palin has high negatives,” …that if we all pulled together she’d make it into office anyway.  We may have to bulldoze our way through crowds of moderate, mushy Republicans to do it.  In her case especially, a third party label would help a lot.  But it would take the coalition of talkers to get behind her, too.

    • white531

      K-Bob  
      What you just stated in plain English, K-Bob, is something I have been just chomping at the bit about, waiting for the right moment to comment on.
      These people are all millionaires.  Let’s just be real.  I don’t begrudge Rush.  He has been in the trenches longer than any of us.  His personal success in speaking out against the Left goes back a long way.  He deserves everything he has achieved.  I could not admire him more.
      As for the rest of them, I believe they saw an opportunity to make money, based on the idea of Conservatism.  First one I dumped was O’Reily.  I never saw a more transparent individual.  Makes me sick to even see his image on the net.
      Hannity is next.  Hannity is what I call a, “Smoosher.”  Hannity kisses everyone’s butt, in order to get them on his show.
      In the end, it all comes down to the buck.  My wife, who is Asian, says that only a chicken doesn’t want money.   Apparently, that is something those of us who live in the west need to learn.
      Only a chicken, doesn’t want money.

      • tlvance

        white531 K-Bob Couldn’t agree more.Hannity spends too much time talking with Rove.

      • http://cfp4us.org/ AmericanborninCanada

        white531 K-Bob I dumped listening to Hannity last year on the radio because I was sick of his fawning over mittens before the primaries were even heated up. 
        Ducks don’t want money either. Except to send a bunch of Constitutional Conservatives to each State gov. and to Washington.

        • white531

          AmericanborninCanada white531 K-Bob 
          That’s why I like ducks.

        • toongoon

          white531 AmericanborninCanada K-Bob  
          Ducks are good!  :-D

      • Willie Heath

        white531 K-Bob I never thought a whole lot about Bill O’Liary until I watched his interview techniques when he had Sarah Palin on his show. He was rude and was a misogynist towards her, trying to play the make wrong game with her, and then oe night something magical happened Sarah diplomatically called him out. He was talking over her and interuppting her, and she said something about the sound delay, and that he has to let her speak. It was one of the greatest smackdowns to O Liary. Everyone saw it, and after that he became very critical of her. You are very correct on Hannity,  he handles some of the most despicable RINOS with kid gloves as not to offend and get them back on his shows, i.e. Karl Rove, Nicolle Wallace, Marco Rubio etc.

  • white531

    There has always been the great smear campaign by the Republican Establishment, that a vote for a Third Party Candidate is simply wasted, and winds up securing a Democratic victory.  That was designed by them to keep you from doing it.  Don’t fall for it.   We came very close to having a Texas maverick named  Ross Perot for our President.  I firmly believe it would have changed this nation’s history.
    We don’t have a two party system anymore.  Just like there is no Santa Claus.  A vote for one, is a vote for the other.   Don’t believe me?  Stand back about twenty feet and look at your government.  Do you really see any difference between John McCain and Obama?  Only difference is Obama can’t fly airplanes.  Wait a minute.  He doesn’t have to.  He has Air Force One, at least until he wears it out.
    Think there’s a big difference between  Boehner and Good ole Harry Reid?  Boehner can’t decide what to have for lunch.  Harry Reid has to tell him.
    Forgive me, but our entire Federal Government is an ongoing comedy, that rivals anything Hollywood could  produce, in their best moments.
    It is both a comedy and a tragedy at the same time.  The comedy part is obvious.  Never have so many buffoons performed on the world stage, to the laughter of the rest of the world’s nations.
    The tragedy is, this is the current government of what was once the strongest nation on the planet.  It  all changed dramatically in the year 2008. when for the first time in the long history of this nation, we violated  our own Constitution.  The natural born clause.  Two simple words from the entire Constitution.  Natural born.  
    Two hundred years after our Founders secured Freedom from our father land, England, we gave up all the Freedom this country ever hoped for, and fought so hard to attain.  Because of those two words.  Natural Born.  
    Because we once again ignored what they tried to tell us, we plunged this country into the garbage heap of a long history of failed nation experiments.
    We have made mistakes before.  Woodrow Wilson comes to mind.  FDR.  But never anything of this magnitude.  No mistake this great nation ever made, in all it’s History comes even remotely close to what this single madman, this Chicago Street Organizer, who was born in Kenya, for God’s sakes. has done to this great nation.
    Regarding a Third Party, I am in favor .  At this point in time, a Third Party is the only solace apparent, to those of us who have given up on both parties.
    Let us do this thing.  But let us go about it with a clear mind, knowing what we are up against.

    • http://cfp4us.org/ AmericanborninCanada

      white531 You know I know what we’re up against whitefriend,

      • white531

        AmericanborninCanada white531 
        Just seeing that Duck on my screen, made up for all the bad things that happened today. ;)

        • http://cfp4us.org/ AmericanborninCanada

          white531 Aw, I hope it wasn’t such a bad day! Thank you though. I’ve got some of our scoop family cheering and encouraging me elsewhere right now, as this has been kind of frustrating to me. But I’m done whining and won’t do it here. You and a few others are my oxygen whitefriend. I mean it. Without you and the others, I’d not have been able to keep going with some of the things I’ve been trying to do. Thank you so much. You have no idea what a blessing you’ve been.

        • white531

          AmericanborninCanada white531 
          You’re more than just a blessing.  You’re the inspiration that keeps my fingers on the keyboard.

        • http://cfp4us.org/ AmericanborninCanada

          white531 OK now I’ve cried enough already today. You’re so sweet. Thank you.

    • deTocqueville1

      white531 Great post!

    • westernhunter

      white531  
      Thank you for your post, it was so right on.

  • jazzee

    I have to agree with Palin…..the GOP already has abandoned us
    they are worthless except for a very few………I wonder if Christie is building to run as an independent
    he is slobbering support from both sides….working the scene like obamaer did………….the GOP is dead if they pass illegal immigration bill…………..done! they can forget about their base  good luck with the new friends the illegals

  • NJFred

    I love Sarah. If she thinks a third party has a
    chance, and is the way to go.. I’m in. I admit its
    scary.. but, the GOP has been/is being such a
    disappointment.. they take the conservative
    vote for granted.. If Sarah gives the marching
    orders, my boots stand ready.

    • Is_Sense_Common

      And THAT is why the GOP has always feared her. She has **real** power among the people.

  • PoCoTex

    By the way, how much of this secession from the Republican party is playing right into Obama’s hand?
    By no means am I suggesting we compromise our principles and values, but to what degree will we defeat ourselves by “friendly fire”?
    I’m not suggesting we compromise our principles and values to “win”.

    I’m just challenging all of us to stay united one way or another.

    • white531

      PoCoTex 
      Poco, there is no Republican party.  Please adjust your  parameters.

    • tlvance

      PoCoTex Bare in mind.The enemy of my enemy isn’t necessarily our friend.Time to part ways….

  • StandingGround

    I’m thrilled someone like Sarah is talking about a third party.  Even if she doesn’t run, it gets the word out and makes the idea seem conceivable.  There are thousands of frustrated people like us who would love to have a party that represents us. The good things is – the groundwork has been done and there is already a great third party up and running. They are even endorsing candidates in state elections.   Please take time to check it out to see if this is something you can get behind.
    http://constfreparty.blogspot.com/2012/12/motto-constitution-is-not-instrument.html

    • toongoon

      StandingGround  
      And stand ground with!

  • toongoon

    This
    Scoop thread is a confirmation of all that we have been working toward.
    Sarah, Mark, Ted, all are faces that people can identify with. But it
    is we the people who, arm in arm will the difference. Whatever party may
    spring from the ashes of the dead GOP it will be worth it to regain our
    country. the most important thing is that we are all of one mind in
    reestablished our beloved Constitution.

  • white531

    On this issue, I think  someone should contact Ross Perot.  Who has more experience on the issue of running as a third party candidate, than Ross Perot?
    The man came within a cat’s whisker of being our President.  Don’t you think he might find some amusement in all of this?

    • toongoon

      white531 
      Excellent point!

    • http://cfp4us.org/ AmericanborninCanada

      white531 If he’s still around? Gimme his address or a way to get a hold of him. I’ll be my usual pushy self and maybe he’ll listen.

      • white531

        AmericanborninCanada white531  
        I would be much entertained by a meeting between Duckie and Ross Perot.

        • http://cfp4us.org/ AmericanborninCanada

          white531 so would this duckie.  I always liked his charts and graphs! :-D Easy enough for a duckie to understand!

        • DawgfanInFL

          Duckie…hands down!

      • tlvance

        AmericanborninCanada white531 Not ashamed to say i voted for him.

        • white531

          tlvance AmericanborninCanada white531 
          God Bless You.

        • http://cfp4us.org/ AmericanborninCanada

          tlvance AmericanborninCanada white531 I liked him. I thought he made a lot of sense.

        • Rightmindedmom

          So did I, and until Sarah came along, I thought I had made a mistake.  It turns out, I was just ahead of the times!  :0)

        • Martin2717

          tlvance AmericanborninCanada white531 I wish I was old enough to have voted for him because I didn’t like Clinton, Bush 41 or Dole.

      • white531

        There are paths this country could have taken, and yet chose not to.   Ross  Perot was one of them.  Ross Perot was a leader of men.  Near the end of Jimmie Carter’s Presidency, when some of his employees were being held hostage in the Middle East, he didn’t ask the Federal Damned Government to get his employees out of a tough situation.  He took action.  He hired mercenaries who went in and did what had to be done, and he brought all those people home.  Without The Federal Damned Government.
        Ask those families what they think of Ross Perot.  And this country did not think this man was worthy of the Presidency.  Go figure.

        • http://cfp4us.org/ AmericanborninCanada

          white531 Oh man, I didn’t know that! That’s amazing.

        • white531

          AmericanborninCanada white531 
          Everything about our history is amazing. It’s just that most people never take the time to read it.

        • http://cfp4us.org/ AmericanborninCanada

          white531 AmericanborninCanada I’ll readily admit to my ignorance on history from the 80s. I was in transition from Canada to here and had too many things happening. Since the mid 90s is when I started paying attention and scarfing up all I could.

        • white531

          AmericanborninCanada white531 
          Scarfing is good. I hereby nominate you as an honorary American. Actually, you were born an American.  By your thoughts and your dreams.

        • BearNJ

          white531
          I remember it differently. Perot was gaining steam with the GOP
          base who hated Bush’s move away from Reagan conservatism and
          independents/ Reagan Democrats where equally unhappy electing Clinton’s progressivism.
          Perot was leading the polls at one point with 39% and had momentum. Perot imploded his campaign when out of nowhere he supported Clinton
          around the Democratic convention saying something about Democrat party had found their way. He dropped
          out disillusioning his supporters. He then reentered the race a month later
          with some crazy story that his withdrawal was over GOP trying to
          disrupt his daughters wedding. He sounded like a crackpot. It looked like a personal vendetta against Bush and much of the conservative base voted Bush or stayed home.  He still
          got about 19% of the vote. Perot message was fine but he was the wrong man to tell it.

        • http://cfp4us.org/ AmericanborninCanada

          white531 You just made my mornin’ whitefriend.  I have always had an American heart. :-)

        • K-Bob

          BearNJ white531 Unfortunately you are pretty close to the mark.  I happen to know a lot about Perot, and up until he sold EDS, I had followed his career pretty closely, since I was in closely related industries.
          He was a Steve Jobs kind of executive.  Very effective at times, unrelentless when he was on a mission, an iconoclast about some things, devoted to veterans and America, but overall darned quirky.
          Glenn Beck exhibits some of Perot’s traits.  Sometimes you think he’s got America’s salvation in his grasp, and other times you think he’s chosen to dash it to the floor.

        • white531

          BearNJwhite531
          Forgive me Bear, for getting back to you so late.  Our business keeps us busy on the weekends.
          You have it correct for the most part.  We only disagree on a few minor points.
          Ross Perot hated Bush Sr.  Because he didn’t believe Bush did enough to try to find all the lost soldiers who were left behind when we left Vietnam.  I am actually with him on that.  A lot of good Americans died in the Hanoi prison camps.  For the simple reason we did not make an effort to find them and go back for them.  Ask any vet.
          Ross Perot was a fierce believer in American Exceptionalism.  He believed we could do it better than anyone else.  In that period of time before Obama, he was right.  We could.
          The things that are correct about your comment are these.
          Ross Perot made a statement on the Larry King show, that if his followers could get him on the ballot of fifty states, he would run against George Bush.   They worked hard, but they never achieved  that mark.
          Regardless, Perot began appearing on various shows, and it looked like he was running.  But he never declared himself a candidate.  People only assumed he had.
          The thing about him pulling out of the race and thereby disappointing all those who had supported him, represented a problem.  Because he never had really formally declared himself as a candidate in the first place.  But his supporters believed he had.  Perception is often times more important than reality, and it was so in this case.
          The thing about his daughter’s wedding was real.  Some of the more creative people on the Bush side of things, threatened  to post a fake picture of his daughter in the nude, just prior to her wedding day. on the Internet and other public places.  It was a fake Photoshop thing with her head on someone else’s body, but it looked real enough.
          That was the reason Perot backed off from the candidacy. He was simply trying to protect his family.
          When he picked up the ball again, he was plastered by the media as being flip-flop.
          The media in those days was not that much different than what we see today.
          Momentum is a curios thing.  When its on your side, you can do no wrong.  Get on the wrong side, and you’re history.  Ross  Perot got on the wrong side.
          He was a feisty guy and he loved this country.  But he was somewhat short and had a high pitched squeaky  voice.  If he had had a Richard Burton baritone, he would have made mince meat out of both of them.  Them, being Bush, Sr. and the Idiot Clinton.
          At the high point of the campaign, he had 39 per cent.  While that may have not been a total endorsement of Ross Perot and his abilities, it was absolutely  an endorsement of the idea that people were sick to death of the alternative.
          We keep looking for someone who will save us.  Why do we do that?  Perhaps because we have zero confidence in the leaders we have.
          Well, if you do in fact have zero confidence in your leaders, why don’t you turn off the four foot plasma on your living room wall, and start joining local organizations in your local community, who feel exactly as you do.
          Like I always say, its worth a shot.

        • white531

          So do you ignore these Steve Jobs types, because their thinking is on the edge, or do you embrace them for their ability to understand what the rest of us can’t?

        • K-Bob

          white531 I just think they are the kind of folks who work really well in contexts where they are absolutely in charge, and not so well when they have to play stupid, political games.  Jobs was so famous for telling people they were fired that he had a guy who went to those folks after Jobs had passed by, to tell them they weren’t fired.
          Perot hired a TON of vets, and those guys had no trouble with him being totally in charge.  It really worked for his particular industry at that particular time.  In the late eighties and early nineties, it didn’t work as well.  (I’m guessing it would work well with a lot of Gulf War vets now.)
          Perot was still too closely tied to his former business, I think, or at least some sort of business dealings, when running for office.  A campaign has to be a 24/7 commitment (unless you’re a joke candidate like Al Sharpton was), and the head of the campaign needs to have advisors whom he trusts. But Perot was not an “advisor” kind of guy, really.  He hired subject matter experts and pointed them like a gun at a problem.
          Just one example of where that matters: Admiral Stockdale was a genuine American hero in every sense of the word (folks should read up on the man, it’s amazing), and he was a writer as well. But if Perot had used experienced campaign advisors, then someone else would have vetted Stockdale for public speaking before Perot took him on as VP.

    • K-Bob

      white531 Perot got somewhere between 16% or 20% of the vote.  As good as that was, compared to all other third parties, most of the serious election watchers believe Perot mainly just gave us Bill Clinton.
      No that it made much diff between Clinton and Bush, Sr. on the “progressive” scale.  (Clinton gave the ChiComs a LOT of our military secrets, though.)
      We need a third party that can get Reagan numbers, because the Dems will still use election fraud in 2016.

      • white531

        K-Bobwhite531

         K-Bobwhite531
        As
        much as I agree with you on most things, I disagree with you on this
        one.   For a third party candidate to get 20 per cent of the vote,
        against both of the two major parties, was an earth shaking event. 
        Here’s
        why.  Ross Perot is a businessman.  I would add, a very successful
        businessman.  You want to make fun of a guy who’s net worth is north of 
        several billion dollars?  Go right ahead. But in the meantime, consider
        this.
        We hate
        Politicians, right?  Because they use every opportunity to spend OUR
        money. Not only on their campaigns to get elected in the first place,
        but on their campaigns to stay in the office.
        Ross
        Perot spent HIS OWN MONEY, in running for this office.  He lost  the
        election, but he didn’t lose any of our money in doing so.  I believe some of you have to get your priorities in order, so as to recognize a real American when you see one.

        • K-Bob

          white531 K-Bob I said it was a lot.  But it isn’t enough, was my point.

        • white531

          K-Bob white531  
          Got a book I want you to read.
          “Empire of Debt”
          Bill Bonner and Addison Wiggin
          Entertaining and informative.

        • K-Bob

          white531 K-Bob It’s going on my kindle. Thanks!

    • Willie Heath

      white531 Do you mean the grenade with a haircut?…….LOL..

      • white531

        Willie Heath white531 
        Would you like to compare your net worth with that of Ross Perot?

        • Willie Heath

          white531 Willie Heath Who cares brother, Perot wasn’t playing with a full deck of cards. You can say George Soros spends his own money for his causes as well. Its the content.

  • Charm4sure

    I think it is a real good idea to begin talking about what kind of party we could create without the crooks in the GOP and the dems.  Let the Gop chew on that for awhile.  It doesn’t hurt for Boehner and McConnell to think about the end of their leadership. Right now the condescending arrogance of the GOP as demonstrated by those in the Gang of 8, is clearly letting us know they don’t care what we want. I have no loyalty to the Gop and certainly none to the Dems.  There are dems who are also disenchanted with their party. Could be fun and interesting just to get under their thick, arrogant skin,  and that description fits  both parties.

  • Willie Heath

    I hope Mark Levin has now seen the light on Marco Stoopido and got over his jones for the guy. Hannity is hopeless, he still has his Marco crush…….. Sarah Palin is the real deal, a citizen Politician!

    • K-Bob

      Willie Heath  
      I still think folks are misreading that.  My hypothesis is that they held a great deal of hope that they could turn him away from the dark side of the force. So they kept giving him more and more rope, hoping he’d build a rope bridge to the future, instead of hanging his conservative political career with it.
      Now, I’m guessing they hold out a slim (but unenthusiastic) hope that he doesn’t jump to the Dem party too soon, and make it tougher for us to take the Senate in 2014.
      I would not be shocked if that was part of Rubio’s plan.
      Dang. I denounce myself.

      • white531

        K-Bob Willie Heath
        No matter which side of the fence he lands on, he is basically worthless.

        • MichaelBowler

          white531 K-Bob Willie Heath Correct.

        • BearNJ

          white531 K-Bob Willie Heath Also politicans that jump parties often find themselves unwelcomed in the former enemies camp. Rubio’s betrayal is Benedict Arnold like in that he was a Tea Party conservative not a Dick Lugar Rino. I don’t think that will play well in a Democrat primary.

        • tvlgds

          white531 K-Bob Willie Heath worthless to conservatives, but a progressive’s wet dream!

      • Jayrae

        K-Bob Willie Heath Rubio is not going to jump. The Bush mafia is and always has been Democrat lite. Rubio ran to the right to get elected. That is the Bush plan. Once you get to the District of Corruption you flip everyone who voted for you the bird. Especially if you get elected into the little chiummy club of the senate. Then, just like dirtbag Prescott Bush, you pal around with the Democrats.
        This isn’t a game to us. We don’t want free stuff. We want to keep most of our own money and get the government out of our face.
        There is a faster solution than third party but it takes balls. IC suggested the plan earlier on the thread. It’s time to double cross the corrupt Bush Mafia corporatists who are always double crossing us. In 2014 conservatives should primary every RINO. And, you know what a RINO is. If the conservative wins the primary vote for him. If not vote for the Democrat. It is the fastest way to purge the party of the Bush mafia. They will get the message fast if there are 450 Democrats in Washington and the rest of the Republicans are conservatives. It will stop them from running right during their election campaign and governing left.
        Yes, it’s a bold act. However, the Bush mafia has such deep tentacles that they were able to undo everything Reagan did in a very short time. The GOP needs a vast cleansing and we must rid the GOP of the Bush Crime family forever. It is not the Family business. Let them get real jobs. We also have to get rid of their corrupt political consultants who have no interest in winning.
        We must view the Bush mafia the same way we view addicts. They are addicted to their power and corruption and they are never going to give it up until we take it away from them. The Democrats are not responsible for moving the country left. The Bush mafia is. They offer no resistance and when they do get the reins they do not lead. They just follow the Democrats lead.

        • Jayrae

          K-Bob Willie Heath The Bush mafia’s motto is “Better a Democrat than someone who is not one of us.” We should fight fire with fire and adopt that motto too. This is WAR. We play by all the rule. We pay our mortgages. We do the right thing. We aren’t looking for handouts. Our word means something. They on the other hand have NO rules. Their word means nothing. Do you think Rubio has any problem sleeping at night? His butt was in serious debt and now he is fixed for life.
          They look at us as a bunch of dumb rubes because we continually allow them to lead us in fear that the big, bad Democrats will screw us when in reality it is ONLY the corrupt Bush mafia that is screwing us.
          What do we have to lose? We already have one party government.
          We should take a lesson from our founding fathers. They didn’t wear redcoats in battle. They hid in the shadows. They shot their rifles from behind trees. And they out double crossed their treasonous captors.

        • K-Bob

          Jayrae K-Bob Willie Heath I don’t think that’s ever been out of the question, and it’s not such a big deal to primary them.  The problem has always been getting people to step up.
          The good news is that a TON of GWI and GWII vets are now “of age” to consider running.  Unfortunately some of them are like Gomez in Massachusetts, and aren’t any better than the Bush folks.  But they are probably a minority among regular American GWI and II vets.
          I would love to see more and more vets choose to run for office.  As far as I’m concerned, there’s no better background for being an executive than having served at a command level in the military, especially in a war zone.

    • tvlgds

      Willie Heath He has been one of the biggest disappointments of the tea party candidates. He told us what we wanted to hear, then joined right up with the enemy when he got to DC. I have ZERO respect/use for him!

  • dneuwen

    when a third party comes into fruition due to gope intransigence 
    I honestly think that the new party will immediately be the second majority party in American politics
    whereas  the gope relegated to lowly third also-ran. The large majority of supporters
    of the republican party which are now
    getting more disgruntled and disillusioned are the true conservatives – constitutionalists,
    bible believers, social conservatives ,fiscal conservatives and traditionalists
    – which would disassociateen masse from
    the gope if their concerns fall on deaf and dismissive ears continually. so yea third party
    all the way if the gope doesn’t wisen up and continue to thumb theirnoses on the greatest bulk of their 
    for-now constituents

  • DawgfanInFL

    Okay, this is what lured me back to comment, but can a third party gain enough votes to overcome the Democratic vote?We may have problems within our own party, but I ask all wise Right Scoop posters if a third party is the solution. Maybe more along the lines of a ‘changing of the guard’ would be more appropriate. The seats were not guaranteed for life.
    Any words of wisdom are welcome as this administration has left me speechless.

    • famouswolf

      Just read through this thread. It’s been discussed up, down and sideways this evening. I have a hunch it’s just the beginning.

    • tinlizzieowner

      DawgfanInFL 
      That brings up an interesting question. How many ‘Republican’ voters are there? I’m a ‘Conservative’, I vote ‘Republican’ because the only alternative I have disgusts me more. I’d be willing to bet there far more ‘Conservative’ voters than there are ‘Republican’ voters.
      That said, there are many pitfalls in trying to create a third party. We are a ‘2 party’ system because that’s the way those in ‘government’ want it to be. Now, creating a third party ‘movement’ and using that to scare the krap out of the Republican ‘politicians’, and threaten their ‘phony baloney’ jobs, well that’s another thing. :-)

      • MichaelBowler

        tinlizzieowner DawgfanInFL Bulls eye

      • applepie101

        tinlizzieowner DawgfanInFL I you’ve threaten without following through, the republicans know it’s a bluff. King George thought the colonists where bluffing until the shooting started.

        • tinlizzieowner

          applepie101 tinlizzieowner DawgfanInFL 
          I really want to avoid the ‘shooting’ part if that’s possible. The Colonists didn’t have the internet. ;-) ;-)

    • RickBarrett

      DawgfanInFL It is only a solution if the Republicans continue to be Democrats-Lite. There has to be a clear choice between a Progressive Liberals and Conservative Constitutionalists. If Republican elites keep thrusting the likes of RINOs John McCain and Mitt Romney on us a change must occur.

    • applepie101

      It’s unlikely that a 3rd party candidate will garner enough votes the first time around to defeat the democrat candidate. That may be an unreasonable expectation. The 3rd party has to establish its brand, and that takes time. The republican party itself was formed 6 years before it ran a successful candidate for president. 
      As 2010 proved, winning is not everything. We want to make sure that our party and candidates genuinely believe and practice what we support: Constitutional principles, small government, small spending and American sovereignty. I’m prepared to lose a few election cycles while we assemble a core of true constitutionalists who refuse to play the Beltway games. When that happens, it will be a clear choice for anyone who doesn’t love Big Brother.

    • http://cfp4us.org/ AmericanborninCanada

      DawgfanInFL Sister, check us out. We’ve come out with our two first endorsements, and are vetting more. First one is running for Congress in Florida. We need to back these folks, who are Strong Constitutional Conservatives. http://constfreparty.blogspot.com/2013/06/endorsements.html

      • DawgfanInFL

        Thanks, Duckie! With all the depressing news that’s out these days, it’s wonderful to see the inspiring talent that are willing to enter the ‘fray’ in Washington. I will share the link with everyone I know and encourage support for our Constitutional Conservatives!

        • http://cfp4us.org/ AmericanborninCanada

          DawgfanInFL You’re so welcome! There are a few we’re looking at, all so far are retired military, so we know they’d take their oaths seriously. I appreciate you sharing the link. I’ll be putting more up as they’re vetted!

  • sundesy

    It does not matter if the 3rd party can win. The important thing is we need to stop bad things happening to this country in the name of conservatives. If the republicans cannot provide a striking alternative, stand for the constitution, stand for the values that built this country to be the strongest nation then what is the point to support them.

  • colliemum

    I don’t see why that should not be feasible. If UKIP can now attract a quarter to a third of votes in local elections from more or less a standing start, with a membership base of about 30,000, relying on activists, not loads of money, then you can do that in the USA as well, if not better.
    You’ve got the huge tradition of grass root movements, you’ve got the years of TEA Party experiences, you’ve got conservative radio and hosts like Mark Levin, you’ve got politicians hugely recognised across the country like Sarah Palin and Ted Cruz – so what are you waiting for?
    Btw – it is now dawning on our UK politicians that UKIP not only attracts conservatives, but also large numbers of former Old Labour voters who despise their ‘New Labour’ party politicians, and attracts large numbers of 21-24 year olds. This has happened since the last General election in 2010, and more and more people have woken up to the millstone around our necks thanks to the EU, which allows, or rather demands uncontrolled immigration, with the huge effects on the creaking welfare system, schools, housing, public health and jobs.
    Sounds familiar?

    • applepie101

      colliemumThanks for boost! UKIP’s progress has been remarkable. Though they’ve been around for 20 years, the media are only recently taking them seriously, after their strong showing in the latest election.
      I think one of their greatest strengths is that they’ve been clear and consistent in their platform (UK sovereignty, referendum on EU membership, controlling UK borders), the exact opposite of the GOP. Party ideology should not change according to leaders’ whims or expedience, but remain constant. UKIP has that, and that’s why UKIP is gaining steam.

      • colliemum

        applepie101
        Absolutely – you’ve got it! And UKIP is gaining steam in Labour districts as well now. It was different even three years ago – but thanks to Cameron and his cronies, who will say one thing and do the opposite, people are now more and more aware that there is an alternative, and that they don’t need to fall for the lies they’re told by the politicians and media. 
        There are more of us every day, so more of us are active on the MSM blogs read by more people. It’s beginning to feel like an avalanche …
        :-)

    • Willie Heath

      colliemum Do Sarah Palins messages get media play in the UK? I know Daily Mail has stories on her with photos as well as Bristol Palin. I would think the Brits would be specifically interested in her as she has English/Irish roots. We here have been hearing more about the UKIP, sounds like a Tea party movement, that as had it with high taxes and immigration run amuck.

      • colliemum

        Willie Heath
        Except for the Daily Mail, Sarah Palin doesn’t get much attention the British MSM.
        Now UKIP is only similar to the TEA Party movement as it is full of ordinary people who’ve had it with the establishment parties, and who never have joined a political party before. UKIP celebrates it’s 20th anniversary this year, and it’s main aim is to get us out of the EU. Thanks to the various UKIP members who have won seats in the European Parliament (which is a parliament on paper only), more and more people have learned how the unelected bureaucrats in Brussels are ruining our country. People are electing UKIP members onto local councils because we’ve now learned how much even our local policies are influenced by Brussels.
        Did you know that a local council can be fined by Brussels for not flying the EU flag on certain days?
        So yes, it is also about taxes and immigration – because immigration is a facet of Brussels policies, and so are taxes. 
        The more people learn, the more they like UKIP. The last straw for many conservatives was the legislation for SSM – thanks to the EU. 
        June 22nd 2014 are the next local elections, and the elections for that EU Parliament. UKIP aims to become the top party there – and from there onwards to May 15th 2015 – the General elections. Good chances there, if we work hard!

  • MichaelBowler

    The conservatives do not get represented at the national level by presidential candidates. The ONLY exception to this in the last 70 years is Ronald Reagan. Reagan reasoned and drew support using conservative ideas. He was surrounded by Republicans, many of which had no faith in his ideals, though some did. Reagan’s own running mate, George Herbert Walker Bush, thought him a buffoon and is reputed to have said so when speaking to a foreign diplomat, during their tenure.
    Reagan was faced with a largely progressive legislature, also not enamored of his ideas. Despite the serious road blocks placed on him, Reagan did manage to get a few of his policies enacted…those were wildly successful. He used the idea of a strong military coupled with the specter of new technologies (“star wars”, mocked by the press and hollywood, taken very seriously, and rightly so, by the Soviets) to push the already faltering USSR to the bargaining table and eventually into insolvency in the arms race. Reagan’s tax cuts, coupled with tighter monetary policy at the Fed spurred economic recovery and tamed outrageous inflation.
    Reagan was unable to eliminate the department of education, which he certainly wanted. He was duped into accepting an amnesty for illegal aliens without verifiable terms on border security and politics being politics, Democrat spending forced him to re-raise some tax rates. Reagan’s only real allies were the people of the country, whose political pressure got congress to go along, though the Democrat congress exacted their excessive spending in return.
    All this to point out that the vast majority of those actually at the helm of the Republican party are not conservative, they sneer at conservatives. The question that many ask, knowing with certitude that fiscally conservative policy is highly beneficial to the long term success of the nation, is: “why aren’t Republican leaders, who publicly espouse fiscally conservative ideals, acting like conservatives? Why do they keep promoting policies similar in nature to the policies of Democrats? Excessive and wasteful spending?” Answer: Political power and the riches that result from wielding it come from placing expenditures and favors in the right peoples’ hands, not from being fiscally responsible.
    Progressives own both parties, the differences between the two parties are matters of degree, not of kind. There really is no difference between them. GWB proved that. While lowered taxes with his Republican congress, he increased deficit spending, increased government power in an unseemly irresponsible manner and added another entitlement. Face it, the NSA is a creation of Bush, Obama increased their role and scope, Bush allowed them to become eavesdroppers upon the American people.
    A new party, where persons with progressive views are simply NOT WELCOME is in order. I will support such an endeavor. No matter what, I will never vote for the likes of John McCain or Mitt Romney or George Bush, ever again.

    • Conniption Fitz

      MichaelBowler Did Bush invent NSA or Department of Homeland Security (DHS) or both?

      • MichaelBowler

        Conniption Fitz MichaelBowler The NSA has been a part of the DoD for some time, it predates Bush. I’m do not know off the top of my head when it was created, but do believe it goes back to possibly the sixties. The current incarnation of the NSA, a government entity, able to access any and all information/communication within the USA, and much beyond our borders, without any restrictions, is a relatively new and terrible thing. Justification for it was predicated on the ‘global war on terrorism’.
        The DHS was formed by congress in consultation with the administration as a result of the findings of the 9/11 report and the assertion that there was a wall preventing communication between various law enforcement and intelligence arms of the government…Bush signed it into law and RAN with it.
        These two entities are responsible for erosion, indeed, downright destruction of our fourth amendment protections as well as diminution of rights under the first second and fifth amendments. DHS should be disbanded entirely and the NSA relegated to spying on foreign communications and prohibited from any form of domestic spying, the Utah facility must be dismantled.

    • http://cfp4us.org/ AmericanborninCanada

      MichaelBowler The Constitutional Freedom Party has no use for Bushes or Rinos. We back only strong Constitutional Conservatives. http://constfreparty.blogspot.com/2013/06/endorsements.html

  • RefudiateGOPe

    I think the headline of The Daily Caller Article is a little misleading. Sarah Palin didn’t “float” anything. Palin was asked a specific question about a third party and she gave a strong answer that basically put the GOP on notice.  She told the GOP that if they continue to abandon Conservative principles, Conservatives will find a new home politically.  It wasn’t a float, it was a shot across the bow. It wasn’t a threat. She voiced a fact. 
    All one has to do is read the thousands of comments on the many articles that have been published in the last twenty-four hours, and it’s apparent that what Palin said is valid. Take away the comments from those whose sole purpose is to attack or belittle Palin and not to address the subject, and the remaining comments are all pretty much the same. Some commenters voice their doubts of whether or not a 3rd party can succeed, but the sentiment that the GOP has betrayed its principles, therefore its base, is strong.
    I think that someday soon, we will see Sarah Palin, Mark Levin, and 25-30 other Conservative faces stand before the camera to speak directly to the leadership of the GOP/NRC and declare “GAME ON!”. It won’t be a shot across the bow. It will be a shot directly at the belly of the beast.

    • njmom

      RefudiateGOPe  They better hurry up because time’s a wasting. Time for the Sarahs and Marks to stop talking and just do it!

    • Willie Heath

      RefudiateGOPe Yeah its funny how media tries to senationalize Sarahs comments for their pull quotes. The Daily Caller uses “Palin floats  idea of third party”, Drudge picks up on it and links to it, and suddenly it is on all the blogs, but thats ok, Sarah Palin has that magic to provoke thought and discussion like no one. Amazing how a short little interview on a Saturday morning explodes all the blogs, they call that “Palin Power”…..

  • Matt2Matt

    Loves me some Sarah, but didn’t she campaign for John Foster McCain over JD Hayworth?  Just sayin’…

    • MichaelBowler

      Matt2Matt Yep, I’d say that was a huge blunder and requires an apology. She may feel such an apology would be indelicate to McCain, opening a wider schism in Republican circles and touching off an ugly war of words and deeds. Perhaps there is a reason she would not want to start that battle now. Personally, I think the open  insult that such an apology would represent is exactly what the doctor ordered…but I do not know, precisely, the long term strategy that Palin has.

      I like Sarah Palin, up to a point. I’m not certain that I like her enough to have her as president, though I might. She certainly couldn’t possibly be any worse than the other candidates the Republicans have given us for POTUS…but I didn’t want them, even a little bit.

      • Matt2Matt

        MichaelBowler Matt2Matt She made a few comments about “greedy Capitalists” back during the campaign that caught my ear (but apparently not Rush’s or Levin’s), and the endorsement of Keating 5 McCain on top of that leaves me somewhat tepid, but at this point she’s damn near all we got.

        • BearNJ

          Matt2Matt
          MichaelBowler
           I think the support for McCain was out of loyalty. It would have been the move of an ingrate to say no when he asked her. I cut her slack on that one. We all know McCain is a disaster and a nasty SOB.  She’s been a bedrock of principle her whole career. Reagan made a few mistakes too.

        • Matt2Matt

          BearNJ Matt2Matt MichaelBowler “We all know McCain is a disaster and a nasty SOB.”  So let’s endorse him, and give him 6 more years to wreak havoc on conservatism?  Brilliant strategy.

        • DanaNappi

          BearNJ Matt2Matt MichaelBowler agree 100 % been on her own for long time, loyalty for McCain once .. gloves are off ..

    • http://www.911dj.com glegakis

      Matt2Matt You can’t turn your back on the one who brought you to the dance.  Just don’t invite him or accept an invitation from him when the next one comes around. 

      Sarah is honorable that way.

      • deTocqueville1

        glegakis Matt2Matt Exactly, loyalty is a fundamental principle and it remains until someone turns on you, which McCain has now done turning his back on the pledge to his voters about the fence.

        • http://www.911dj.com glegakis

          deTocqueville1 glegakis Matt2Matt And turning his back on a lot of other stuff.  
           I can’t decide who I would have hated more as president, McCain or Romney. I guess at least with JM, Sarah would have been a lot closer to the WH.

    • doofuschmartz

      Quid pro quo…over character?

  • DanaNappi

    A woman with honor, moral fabric, will lead not follow, millions following her, not complicated = one of few who make a difference in a positive way .. much more coming from Sarah ..

  • Amjean

    Remember the saying?   Fool me once, shame on you!  Fool me twice, shame on me!  How many times have we conservatives been fooled?  2012 with the Romney campaign dissing the first republican female VP nominee along with the teaming up with lefties to gang up on the Tea Party and conservatives made me realize that nothing will change until we change it.  And doing it from within the repub party is not possible in the time constraints we have.  It may not even be possible at all.
    Even if we “scare” (laughable) the rinos, they will only continue to feed us scraps and continue to lie to us.  Why do we continue to put up with it?  The answer is that we have no other options.  It has been either to vote for the rino or not vote at all.  We must come to the realization that there is little difference between the republican and democrat parties.  Their agenda is pretty much the same – empowerment and money for themselves, paid for on the back of the taxpayers.

    • strangernfiction

      Amjean Jeb Bush giving Shrillary a medal pretty much sums it up.

  • Amjean

    …..continued…

    I say start a third party (and I love the name “Freedom Party” – a name that could resonate with many; even low or no information voters- we have many in the repub party too!) and run a few candidates the first year; back republican conservative candidates in whatever they do that agrees with the party’s conservative platform (Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, etc. come to mind).   We don’t have to try and cut and run right away.  Build momentum slowly.  Don’t do things just to do them.  No one will pay too much attention until a few candidates win their elections.  We also cannot expect solid rock conservatives like Ted Cruz and Rand Paul to abandon the repubs yet for the Freedom Party.  That is why the Freedom Party supports conservatives in the repub party while it builds.
    Also, there are many crackpots out there; we must take care not to put any of them in leadership.

    • http://cfp4us.org/ AmericanborninCanada

      Amjean Constitutional Freedom Party is already doing all of that. We’ve endorsed 2 and are vetting others right now. Keep checking back here, http://constfreparty.blogspot.com/2013/06/endorsements.html

      • applepie101

        AmericanborninCanada Amjean Thank you for all you’re doing to make this a reality.

        • http://cfp4us.org/ AmericanborninCanada

          applepie101 AmericanborninCanada Amjean Wow, thank you very much applepie. I’ve had  a lot of help, but I am grateful for all the encouragement! Thank you.

        • applepie101

          AmericanborninCanada applepie101 Amjean Though I talk the talk, you walk the walk, which I very much respect.

        • http://cfp4us.org/ AmericanborninCanada

          applepie101 AmericanborninCanada Amjean You’re walking, even if it’s just encouragement for now. Thank you apple.

  • applepie101

    Like a parent warning a child for the 5x to stop misbehaving, or they’ll be punished: Every warning without action makes you weaker. Just do it!

    • strangernfiction

      Many of us already have.

      • strangernfiction

        I suspect “if you don’t shape up I might abandon you” doesn’t exactly strike fear in the hearts of the GOP. Hell, we can’t get Lindsey Graham primaried in a red state.

    • strangernfiction

      applepie101I suspect “ifyou don’t shape up Imightabandon you” doesn’t exactly strike fear in the hearts of the GOP. Hell, we can’t get Lindsey Graham primaried in a red state.

      • applepie101

        strangernfiction applepie101 Yes, it doesn’t have the same impact as ‘goodbye’.

      • http://cfp4us.org/ AmericanborninCanada

        strangernfiction applepie101 I may have a name soon for those in SC!! I’m just waiting for his formal announcement. I’ll let y’all know when I get the news. There is someone who is seriously considering and testing the waters to run against grahamnesty. He’s a regular guy, loves the Constitution, an Army Veteran and a super guy.

        • doofuschmartz

          If he decides then we (all TEA Party ?) folks, regardless of where we live, need to try and back him financially, if possible (even if its only $10-20). Grahmnesty’s seat would be a HUGE, and I do mean HUGE win for the conservatives. Oh please let him run…

        • http://cfp4us.org/ AmericanborninCanada

          doofuschmartz I’m praying he does.  I’ve been talking to him  a lot, and he is close to deciding.

        • Keyes

          AmericanborninCanada strangernfiction applepie101 
          Great!

        • doofuschmartz

          AmericanborninCanada doofuschmartz Keep us posted, taking Grahmnesty’s Senate Seat would be Soul Candy, Duckie…I’ve got it on my prayer list already…

    • njmom

      applepie101 Just said something similar and speaking for me I have done something about it.

      • strangernfiction

        njmom applepie101 It would seem that Palin is following you. :)

  • jalangaya

    Pretty Populist Princess & curvaceous Conservative Queen Sarah Palin is the proper person lo lead true patriots, Christians, & conservatives away from the rancid RINO mud-wallow the GOP has become.  She can put our once-proud nation on the path to peace, progress, prosperity, & unprecedented power.

    • Matt2Matt

      jalangaya precisely!

    • applepie101

      Al-literally!

  • Ordinary american

    The Republican Party left us and here’s a few reasons why we
    need to leave them:
    1. John Boehner’s unwillingness or inability to lead and his
    antipathy towards true conservatives/tea party folks.
    2. Mitch McConnell’s uninspiring leadership qualities and
    his defeatist acceptance of the “socialist agenda”.
    3. John McCain for always seeming to embrace the Socialist
    Democrats while at the same time attack fellow Republicans. The only thing he ever did right was to select Sarah Palin.
    4. The Ryan, Rubio and Lindsay Amnesty brothers.
    5. The RNC for intentionally excluding Sarah Palin, Tea
    Party, Conservatives, et al. It was the
    RNC’s overt unwillingness to accept these folks that resulted in Romney/Ryan losing the election.
    6. Failure to support Republicans who were being targeted by
    the
    Media, democrats. At least the democrats surround their own and
    protect them. Republicans discarded and showed no courage, no
    constitutional principles or support for their own.
    7. It seems that the Republican Party has contracted the
    “Palestinian Disease Syndrome”- The Establishment Republicans “NEVER
    MISS AN OPPORTUNITY TO MISS AN OPPORTUNITY”

  • WilliamMorriss

    I agree but I worry about any 3rd party splitting the vote Unless we have a 10 million voter consensus

    • applepie101

      WilliamMorriss Although there’s a nominal republican majority in the house, it doesn’t represent us. They’ve instead promoted democrat pet projects: gun legislation, Obamacare, illegal immigration, to name just a few. We lost in 2010. We voted for democrat-lites. The current power structure in the GOP is anti-conservative, so that’s unlikely to change. If we’re going to lose, I want to lose voting for a party that champions the constitution and individual rights, instead of expanding government. 
      Yes, it will split the vote, but it will also draw votes from people who have chosen not to vote for the lesser of two evils. Let’s have one good option, and see what we can make of it.

      • WilliamMorriss

        applepie101 WilliamMorriss  VERY well put. Thanx

      • strangernfiction

        applepie101 WilliamMorriss And it will give clarity to the struggle between the statists and those who want liberty, which in and of itself might be reason enough to abandon the GOP.

        • WilliamMorriss

          strangernfiction applepie101 WilliamMorriss  Agreed

    • njmom

      WilliamMorriss So, are we to sit back and do nothing? And how do you get the 10 million voters if you do nothing? It’s time to move on a third party.

      • doofuschmartz

        What you mean is that someone needs to come out of the shadows, and serve as organizational head…a strong Tea Party Conservative but with a different/new party affiliation??? Someone with proven character and perhaps name recognition…like Sarah Palin?

        • K-Bob

          doofuschmartz”…to come out of the shadows…”
          Well played!

      • doofuschmartz

        What you mean is that someone needs to come out of the shadows, and serve as organizational head…a strong Tea Party Conservative but with a different/new party affiliation??? Someone with proven character and perhaps name recognition…like Sarah Palin?

      • WilliamMorriss

        njmom WilliamMorriss  Hey! I agree with the responses I.m getting. Thanks,I’m finding out a lot of alternatives.First time on this site-won’t be the last! I.m as fed up as you all are and we DO have to fight back!!

        • http://cfp4us.org/ AmericanborninCanada

          WilliamMorriss njmom Welcome to the Right Scoop!

        • WilliamMorriss

          AmericanborninCanada WilliamMorriss njmom  Glad to be here.

        • http://cfp4us.org/ AmericanborninCanada

          WilliamMorriss AmericanborninCanada njmom :-) And we’re glad to have you!

        • http://cfp4us.org/ WolfieUSA

          WilliamMorriss AmericanborninCanada njmom  
          Welcome aboard William! :-)

  • Conniption Fitz

    More about S744 – the Amnesty Bill – http://frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/amnesty-to-suspend-immigration-enforcement-for-2-5-years/
    “A provision in the “Gang of Eight” bill would amount to a 2.5-year-long law enforcement holiday, during which time law enforcement will be forced to suspend deportation efforts against criminal illegal aliens and allow them to apply for legalization.”
    OBVIOUSLY THESE LEGISLATORS HAVE ONLY CONTEMPT FOR AMERICA AND OUR CITIZENS

  • njmom

    Yeah, I know everyone this seems hopeful but IMO until Sarah and Mark put their money where their mouth is it means nothing. Empty threats do nothing except eventually everyone stops listening. Do you want a third party? Good, because there is one already so if you really want to make a difference check it out. Its we the people who are going to have to lead the way and then drag the pols along.
    http://constfreparty.blogspot.com/2013/06/endorsements.html

    • Martin2717

      njmom Agreed.

  • Nukeman

    There are a lot of groups out there trying to form a third party – or at the very least are as disgusted with the RINO/Republicans as I have been from day one. My preference is the Constitutional Freedom Party – http://cfp4us.org/index.html – as it follows the beliefs and ideals that I stand for.
    However, with all the factions of Tea Party, Freedom Party, CFP, and thousands of others out there, what we really need, to get things moving, is a conference of all the leaders from each of these groups. United we will stand, but divided we will fall.
    We can never get anything done unless we come together. What better way than to call for a gathering of all the leaders. Come on Mark and Sarah. Spit or get off the pot. Let’s stop talking and start doing. Washington is corrupt (both sides of the aisle). It’s high time we decided that all these groups forming to combat both Democrats AND Republicans can’t all be wrong. 
    Let the people speak. Bring them together. Combine the coalitions. We HAVE the power in our votes.

    • njmom

      Nukeman Well said my friend!

    • njmom

      Nukeman Well said my friend!

    • ConstitutionalAmerican

      The sooner we start gathering our groups into a cohesive group, the better to defeat the Democrat and Republican parties and save our country.

    • nibblesyble

      Nukeman Yay…well done as usual!

    • steprock

      Look for a leader and a coalescing to occur. Sarah and Mark would help with that effort. I’m game.

    • johnsonenterprises1

      Nukeman   Masterdebation seem to be the solution to todays issues. Its kind of milky white. HELP! I am drowning in a sea of Bull sh.. and white paste.      JJ.

      • crosshr

        johnsonenterprises1 Nukeman  
        don’t do it anymore

    • white531

      Nukeman  
      Missed you.

      • Nukeman

        white531 Nukeman  
        I’m back, I’m packin’, and I’m ready to fight. Where are the progressives? ;-)

        • http://cfp4us.org/ AmericanborninCanada

          Nukeman white531 Yay! Scoop’s dynamic duo are ready for action! :-D

        • Nukeman

          AmericanborninCanada Nukeman white531  
          We’ll try not to make your job too difficult. ;-)

  • http://cfp4us.org/ WolfieUSA

    First we were pissed off at the Dems mostly for ramming Obamacare down our necks!  “Pass it to find out what’s in it”  ugh…  Now the Rs are at the same game with Amnesty!   It’s bloated full of pork and fat and at the end of the day is EXTREMELY DAMAGING to America!  But the RINOS in the part want to ram it through as quickly as possible before we’ve had a chance to read it or even debate it’s merits… And the R Leadership? What leadership?  He’d called Boehner but he should  be called “Matt” because everyone is always walking all over him.  He’s a useless leader.  If it wasn’t for NObama, I’d call Boehner the worst leader of a political party ever.

    Time to ditch BOTH!  Come join the Constitutional Freedom Party!  http://cfp4us.org/
    You know nothing gets the attention of a politician (no matter what stripe s/he is) like the possibility of losing their job and having to go earn a living instead of eating pork in Washington.  When a 3rd Party rises, it will either shock the Republicans back to life and force them to stick to their principles and values they say they have… or they will be put into the trashcan of history…  With a 3rd Constitutional Freedom stand up for America and for American values and for jobs and restrained government and responsible spending and JOBS… I know I said jobs before, but seemingly neither party seem only interested in keeping their jobs not creating them.
    But as others have said… It’s time to stop the endless talk and begin the walk.

  • DarrellGriffin

    Are we there yet ? Because I was done with them in 2011.

  • Laurel A

    I would have to say we have been abandoned and long ago.

    • MichaelBowler

      Laurel A More than not since Goldwater.

      • Laurel A

        MichaelBowler Laurel A What gets me is they ignore the success of Reagan. Of course Reagan was a humble man who knew the difference between ruling and leading. Reagan wasn’t interested in ruling….everyone else since then is.

        • deTocqueville1

          Laurel A MichaelBowler Exactly.

  • Laurel A

    One other thing I would like to point out. Republican politicians endorsing gay marriage and amnesty stand against the Republican Party platform. Why does the party do nothing? where is the leadership?

    • deTocqueville1

      Laurel A Yes and Palin is pointing out these facts now in specific and relentless fashion.

  • MichaelBowler

    If we are to form a third party, whether to force the Republicans to acknowledge our concerns and get them to fall in line or to make them permanently obsolete, now, right now is the time. We can field a few conservative candidates in districts where the incumbent Republicans are liberal. Maybe challenge some progressive Democrats where their constituency is not really progressive just not Republican. Make some waves and get people talking in time for 2016. In 2016, the public will be at least aware that the third alternative exists.
    On third parties, you’ll notice that the public is barely aware of the libertarians, mostly not getting any policy direction on them…unless they are already libertarians, following the party on facebook.

  • strangernfiction
  • Daddys1st

    Sarah Palin threatening “Third party” would guarantee whom-ever runs in the Democratic party the presidency. Her words reek of KKK/TEA types wanting to have their way or no way! Combative and divisive in nature has proven these people out of touch with reality. Republican/GOP must do all they can to oust the fringe elements which have bastardized the once proud party of Lincoln and Reagan. We know well the TEA-types(T), who are against everything Obama or big government! And we know the Evangelicals(E) are for getting God into everything and every aspect of governmental life. And the Libertarians(L) who disguised themselves as Republicans when they should have used their own when running. And Lastly, the slow moving GOP(R) which is no longer for they have totally taken over by the others. The “conservative base,” the “constitutionalist” and so-called millions of others, is just what is needed to get a whole new set of representation in state and nationally sanctioned representatives to effect the change that has been held up by these fringed elements. It is at the local and state level where TEA-types must be removed from office. They have too much control, power and influence and must be excised every election cycle. TEA-types are using the the sacred (R) instead of their own scarlet (T) when they run for office. Wake up America and vote out the combative TEA-types from local and state offices! The 2014 Mid-term is a-coming! As is 2016, and 2018!

    • Keyes

      Daddys1st 
      Tea Party Types = Constitutionalists.
      The KKK was founded by the democrats and was part of their official platform at the democrat convention shortly after the Civil War.
      A good book to read:
      “Setting the Record Straight: American History in Black and White”.
      You will be pi$$ed off at what the dems did to blacks.

    • friskyness

      Daddys1st  the rino’s are the “fringe” elements of the party…..the party was founded by conservatives and rino’s purged the party…….Bush purged all conservatives  out of the party after Reagan……so you have this backwards………….unless you are Rove………….continue with your fantasy and the GOPe will be no more…..

    • KillngAmerJobs

      KKK was founded by the Democrap party dumbass!

      • http://cfp4us.org/ WolfieUSA

        KillngAmerJobs
        http://t.co/xkGI3ZxwEC

      • Daddys1st

        KillngAmerJobs The KKK was part of the “Southern Democrats which became the KKK/TEA segment of the current radical extreme of the now defunct GOP/Republican party!

        • K-Bob

          Daddys1st KillngAmerJobs Total BS.  The KKK is a creature of statism, and is still alive in the institutial racism of the Democrat party.  Dems love the KKK and everything it stands for.  It totally explains Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. Only Democrats Care About Skin Color.

          We love individual liberty.  The only “minority” that counts is the individual.  Skin color means nothing.

        • KillngAmerJobs

          Your full of crap! The biggest racist in America these days is the Democrat/Liberal party: Sickos!

        • doofuschmartz

          Daddys1st KillngAmerJobs  If I had the Professional license to do so, I would be treating you with some powerful anti-psychotics right about now dood. Uhh…is your child safe around you?

    • deTocqueville1

      Daddys1st Well that was an interesting and historically inaccurate rant.

    • http://cfp4us.org/ WolfieUSA

      Daddys1sthttp://t.co/xkGI3ZxwEC

    • applepie101

      Translation: ‘OUCH!!’

    • westernhunter

      Daddys1st  
      Why don’t you see what the tea party really is about before you spout out.   They are the Constitutionalists.

    • steprock

      I’m a conservative evangelical pro TEA Party guy myself. Calling me a racist is fairly low minded and without provocation. And untrue. But if it helps you demonize those you disagree with, go right ahead. I’m a mature man and can take it in my stride.

    • Nukeman

      Daddys1st  
      Spoken like a true progressive – blind and ignorant of the facts to the very end. Typical.

    • Jayrae

      Daddys1st What does that Tokyo Rove Kool-Aid taste like?

    • K-Bob

      Daddys1st Carl Rove, is that you?

    • famouswolf

      LOL You are in the wrong place, pal.
      By the way, I don’t really think that’s a very coherent rant. Please start over and be very careful and make an intelligent reasoned set of logical arguments. Then someone here might take you seriously. Me, I’ll pass on anything with your name on it henceforth, in any event.
      But by all means spend a few hours and grace us with the wisdom which I am sure is lurking down deep in you somewhere, but which you are not demonstrating so far.
      Ta ta, now.

    • LindaLeague

      Daddys1st You are no conservative, stay with your own kind, we are starting a new party with those tea types, evangelical God lovers, and Libertarians if they want to come, along with the constitutionalists. I think you are what we are leaving behind.

      • Nukeman

        LindaLeague Daddys1st  
        One small correction. He is what we have ALREADY left behind. His rant is the demonstration of a floundering man desperate for a life preserver and not getting one. Sad, but brutally true.

  • http://cfp4us.org/ WolfieUSA

    If the GOP officials are reading this thread… They should be very very afraid!  They are forcing us to think about a 3rd party because they have ABANDONED *us* not the other way around!  If we had a Republican party free of RINOS and full of Patriots like Trey Gowdy and Ted Cruz and Sarah Palin and (insert other great Patriot) we wouldn’t be having this conversation at all!

    • crosshr

      WolfieUSA  
      As long as there are open mind patriots like you W. there will always hope for the Constitutional and Spiritual health of our beloved land.
      I do see where we are at at the very moment as were in Joshua’s day (I don’t remember the whole story) tho I can never forget the drinking like a dog folks when he picked his few warriors .The good part as I can still remember from a vaque distant memory growing up in an island, the rougher the waves tossing your boat all over the ocean, the closer you get to shore.
       I pray that the good Lord maintain and sustain us with courage and strength and energy to conquer those tiny fake high pitch loud voice enemy of freedom we are confronting.

      I am glad that Sarah,Ted, Rand, Trey and few are there, I am more encourage that we are also here. Yes we are a force that have been around for almost 300 years young since the beginning of this nation. Any lunatic can tell us where to GO, Still those lunatics will have to make us go.

  • jlewis01

    2012 was the GOP’s last chance to be a factor, in my opinion.  So I am all for a place I can put my full passion even if we lose.  It is better than sitting in the corner and being ignored.  I will be in with bells on and ready with my sign for support of candidates.  Walking neighborhoods.  We can still work for local grassroots Republican candidates who have been true to their conservative promises, I am fully behind Ted Cruz, I worked his campaign from the beginning and am so proud of him.  I look forward to having more moral people to support.  If we can keep the Christian principals alive for a decade, we may have a chance — keep this idea alive

  • nibblesyble

    That’s my girl!

  • Martin2717

    Forming a new party doesn’t guarantee the Dems winning anything. The sooner a new party forms (with some former members of the GOP and Dems coming over who actually care more about the country than themselves) the better off we’ll be even quicker.

  • l5j6f7

    Today, the Dems are socialist “do-gooders” who disparage business and enterprise and profit and self-reliance.  And the Repubs are today’s liberals.  There is not true, conserative (major) politician or party.  Thus we drift further and further left, into a morass of a suffocating federal government, perpetual high unemployment, record numbers of people on some form of welfare/subsidy (including near permanent unemployment checks), a weakened feminized, homosexualized society, including a homosexualized armed forces, unable/unwilling to win and finish wars.
    We even lak the courage to enforce our own borders and immigration laws.  One reason why is that we are afraid to differentiate between “us” and “them”.  We hold the liberal view that everyone is the same and there are no enemies.  There are only those who we have not provided sufficient funding. 
    We are stuck in a left-wing academic amber, the way an insect gets stuck.  I have little hope we’ll come out of it.

    • steprock

      The way I see it: open revolt, total collapse, conservative renewal of the GOP, or abandonment of that party.What will it take to get America back to her roots and common sense?

  • Willie Heath

    Sarah Palin is the Bobby Thompson of Politics, she knows how to send a” shot heard around the world” as it were. Yesterday she gives a short interview and it lights up the blogs for huge discussions they were on fire, huge comment response, no one else can do that. When Sarah gives speechs her pull quotes end up all the blogsphere, amazing.

  • JaneBlacksmith

    Yes, we originalists have been wooed again and again by Republicans who use lies and deceit to get our vote.  Then, we have been ignored and abused and mocked when these same Republicans get elected.
    We are hardworking Americans who cherish and guard our freedoms, yet we are taxed to the breaking point without representation to support policies to which we are opposed, even offended.
    Yup.  I’d say a third party is a good bet indeed, and I never thought I’d say that.  But I’m done.
    The definition of insanity is when you do the same thing over and over again but expect a different result.  The Tea Partiers and liberty lovers are the only sane people left in this country, so I assure you we won’t be doing the same thing over and over again.

    • Orangeone

      JaneBlacksmith And now the GOP is out there saying the majority of the GOP wants comprehensive immigration reform.  Ignore, ignore, ignore is what they do after lie, lie, lie

      • tlvance

        Orangeone JaneBlacksmith Yeah,They majority of the sheeple.

  • dzlegac

    KBOB, I am wondering if I know you. Have you worked in a political office in the past?

    • K-Bob

      dzlegac Not me.  I’m with the pitchforks and torches crowd outside.

      • doofuschmartz

        K-Bob dzlegac Cool!

  • steprock

    I keep hearing this false choice that a moderate is better than an extremist like Obama and I have said so myself. But I went along for the last 8 years and we Still lost and got the extremist.
    So, how long do we keep voting moderates in? 8 years? 12? Will it encourage the GOP to become more conservative if we vote for the moderate? What sense does that make?

  • KMargrave

    I agree that the GOP is out of touch with Constitutionalists. However; America is a country of laws, and LEGAL immigration is a part of that. The fact that the GOP and DEMS have allowed the law to be ignored for all these years, and those seeking a better life have come illegally to America is not a big surprise. I don’t like the immigration bill as it is written, however; I am not so stupid as to believe that we don’t need reform, and a way to address those here illegally with compassion. I am for amnesty, with the caveat that all those over 18 and given amnesty are not allowed to vote.. ever (as the penalty), and those under 18 can vote as they turn 18! That will take all the political incentives away from politicians and allow good policy to prevail.
    Obviously those that are felons, belong to gangs, etc. should be deported. The others? Let them stay. It would be to hard, too costly, and wrong to try to round up everyone and send them back, many to countries they don’t know. The bible says “remember when you were a foreigner in Egypt”.

    • steprock

      Problem:common sense and compassion have No place in current law. It is for political power alone. Both sides want to buy a million new voters. Your common sense and reason have No place here. So, how do we respond and how are we to heard in this ugly reality?

  • Klarndog

    There are two parties-Dems and Dems lite. The “big tent” is nothing but a port-a-potty. My nose is sore from holding it every time I vote. I wish the Libertarians would run someone known outside their immediate family. Don’t see anything changing- just call me an optimist.

    • doofuschmartz

      Klarndog  EXCELLENT!!! Best post today…I got hiccups from laughing so hard. Well done dood!  BTW: I’m still holding my nose since voting for Romney…

  • eaglechick

    I concer.

    • MichaelBowler

      eaglechick 
      Concur?

  • DanaNappi

    great news .. something has to give ..

  • l5j6f7

    Once again, today the Democrats are socialists and the Republicans are liberals.  There are no conservatives these days.  There are virtually no politicians advocating limited government and more self-responnsibility and reliance.  WIth the break-down of the family, govt. is there to step in and act as “daddy”.
    We are entering the age of all government, all the time.  God help us.

  • K-Bob

    I wish folks would use the word “Liberty” in place of, or in precedence to “freedom.”  In Britain they have “freedom,” with no guarantees. Look what it’s done to them.  They can shut you down for criticising the government.

    In the US we have Liberty, which GUARANTEES freedom.

    • bfunk

      K-Bob I was just thinking about that! The saying “freedom isn’t free” confuses people because of how we use the word free in America. For an American to fully understand, we should say “liberty isn’t free”.

      • K-Bob

        bfunkK-BobYep.  In fact ABiC and her associates did a smooth move by labeling the Constitutional Freedom Party with those particular words.
        We know we don’t really have “enshrined” Liberty without the US Constitution.  It’s definitely a God-given right to have Liberty, but the Constitution is our guarantor here on Earth.  In other words, ‘freedom’ is something that is given to you by someone in power.  ‘Liberty’ is something you already have, just by being born.  But without the Constitution, we end up having to fight, physically, to maintain our Liberty.

        Well, currently the Constitution itself is not “free.”  It has been bound in chains by the statists and oligarchs, and it no longer serves as Guarantor.  We need to set the Constitution free once more, to fulfill it’s critical role for mankind.
        That’s why the name “Constitutional Freedom Party” is better than “The Freedom Party.”

        • crosshr

          K-Bob bfunk  
          I concur . 
          THE CONSTITUTIONAL FREEDOM PARTY.

        • Nukeman

          K-Bob bfunk  
          Thank you, K-Bob. Well said.

        • K-Bob

          Nukeman K-Bob bfunk Thanks!
          Good seein’ you around again.

    • JohnCraven

      Whether the name is Liberty or Freedom, I think our symbol should be the soaring Bald Eagle and our party’s foundational principles should be well stated as encompassing our nation’s founding documents – The Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution – with the vision of Ronald Reagan for the certain purpose of limiting the government by abolishing the IRS and the alphabet soup of agencies and czars and commissars who answer to no one along with their endless regulations and also for putting an end under the existing parameters of the US Constitution to judicial tyranny by placing their fiats under Congressional review and eliminating aberrant courts, such as the Ninth Circus.
      John Craven – New Orleans

      • http://cfp4us.org/ AmericanborninCanada

        JohnCraven Kind of like this one John? http://constfreparty.blogspot.com/2013/06/endorsements.html

        • JohnCraven

          EXACTLY, AmericanBornInCanada. Exactly.  The Bald Eagle soaring with the Declaration of Independence under its wings is exactly what we should have as the symbol for a conservative alternative party/movement to go up against the gangsters of the Big Government One Party system we now have.
          I hadn’t seen that one at your website before but it is exactly what I had in mind.
          I hate to ask you this but it is a genuine question: is your website more than a blogspot?  I am actually confused about that because I don’t see any icon or button for anyone to actually join your party.  
          You’ve done a great deal of good work in putting it forth as an alternative for what now exists but what of this party’s members?  Do you have an idea of how many people consider themselves members of your party?  Is there anyway for you to know?
          The endorsements are good but there are also others running against Mary “Stop the Buck here” Landrieu, such as Rep. Dr. Bill Cassidy, who also seem to be good people.
          Just asking to clear up my own confusion about your party.
          John Craven – New Orleans

        • http://cfp4us.org/ AmericanborninCanada

          JohnCraven We do have a website John, but I’m waiting for it to be updated, but it does have a contact form you can fill out on it. http://cfp4us.org/  all info goes directly to me. 
          We’re also on facebook, but it’s a request to join- https://www.facebook.com/groups/CFP4US/
          We are on twitter @CFP4US 
          So far we do have some videos, but I don’t have a separate CFP account for those yet, so they’re on my own AmericanBorninCanada you tube page.
          We’re trying to take full advantage of the social media sites, where we have graphics and information and videos to educate people on the Constitution and founders intent. 
          We are also using it to vet new candidates, which we have endorsed 2 so far, you can see them on the blog.
          Due to time and business, the blog is the most active right now- I’m only able to do so much with the hours I have ;-)
          Thank you John!

        • JohnCraven

          No, thank you AmericanBornInCanada, for unconfusing me and doing a great job in putting forward your party.
          I think taking full advantage of the social sites to form the party is an excellent strategy and saves a lot for an endeavor that is just in its infancy stages.
          As for your endorsements, should there be more than one candidate who is ably qualified and is running for a particular seat, what do you do then? Do you endorse both candidates?
          As I mentioned before, we have Congressman Dr. Bill Cassidy also running against Mary “Stop the buck here” Landrieu and he seems to be an excellent candidate and perhaps, Louisiana State Senator Elbert Guillory who switched parties from being a democrat to being a Republican and who produced a great video to justify his decision which has been shown on the Right Scoop might also enter the race against Landrieu.  What will your party do in a case like that?
          John Craven – New Orleans

        • JohnCraven

          AmericanborninCanada, I had a thought about the great emblem you came up with for your Constitutional Freedom Party – the soaring Bald Eagle against the backdrop of the Red, White and Blue with The Declaration of Independence under its wings – Would it make it be too “busy” to insert 4 small words in the Blue field of stars of the American flag namely  “One Nation Under God”?
          I really like your emblem and I got to thinking while you have the Bald Eagle soaring above the Declaration of Independence against the backdrop of the US flag the Bald Eagle should be also soaring under the phrase “One Nation Under God.” with that phrase in the blue field of stars, say following the curve of the circle.  What do you think? Would that make it too busy? Too not politically correct?
          Also, I like the idea of making these emblems as car magnets – 3 to 5 inches in diameter – what about that?
          John Craven – New Orleans

  • snowshooze

    Border security should be handled by the US Military. 
      Just get it done.

    • bfunk

      snowshooze Git-r-dun!!!

    • K-Bob

      snowshooze I think someone in the House is trying to add in a section to whatever stoopid “immigration” bill they are working on, where they move the US Border Patrol under control of the Military.

  • bfunk

    “If this doesn’t open the eyes of the Republicans to what they are doing,
    then I fear a third party is exactly what will happen. And that would
    guarantee the Democrats would win everything over the next few election
    cycles. Nobody wants that. But we may have no choice.”
    Honestly, if we continue to allow those currently leading the GOP to ‘lead’ us, the Democraps will win anyway. At least with a third party we’d eventually win. Assuming, of course, that the Democraps don’t take us to complete tyranny… which I see as a very real possibility.

    • applepie101

      bfunk Either way, they’re taking us down the road to complete tyranny. We can either disappear down that road, or we can turn that road into a battlefield.

  • BetseyRoss

    I love it when Sarah starts.talking a new party. We need another place to go and Sarah is leading us there. Go, Sarah!

  • Cheetah

    Mark Levin stated that the amnesty bill will pass in the US House unless we scare the life out of the House Republicans. Perhaps Sarah Palin’s threat to leave the Republican party might just be what we need to stop this bill in the House.

  • LIBERTYUSA

    … Once Obama was elected in 2008 the rule of law was thrown out with his inauguration ceremony in 2009 a complete FRAUD ! “

  • WordsFailMe

    Frankly I like “Sic Semper Tyrannis and Right to Work Party”. 
    Down with the Grand Old, National Socialists Republican Party. Stomp them out

    • doofuschmartz

      WordsFailMe Yes!

    • http://cfp4us.org/ AmericanborninCanada

      WordsFailMe I miss myWords.
      This may be seen as a joke by some, and it kind of is, but it’s also serious. This was made special a little bit ago by Is_Sence_Common, and I love it. https://twitter.com/CFP4US/status/351511788409483264/photo/1
      If I have anything to say about it….

      • applepie101

        AmericanborninCanada WordsFailMe LOL!

      • crosshr

        AmericanborninCanada WordsFailMe  
        cool ABiC, looks like a sweet avi for me !hah !

  • StandingGround

    Up to the last election I’ve been hesitant to encourage a third party because of the “splitting the vote” possibility like some have mentioned.  At this point I say – Split what??? All we have now are extreme liberals and liberal lites.  We’ve already lost with those two choices. Its time to go for broke and try to win our country back.  Like others here I like the Constitutional Freedom Party (http://cfp4us.org/) because of their platform and how active they are but honestly we have to do something!

    • doofuschmartz

      StandingGround  Yes!

    • toongoon

      StandingGround  
      Brilliant!

  • says_pheobe

    ‘Welcome Sister Freedom’
    posting on sign out in the audience of Sarah Palin’s Madison Wisconsin speech
    says_pheobe  aka Myrtle Sandybanks of Frogmorton

  • tlvance

    Ole Rove is betting we won’t split the party.After last election,who in their right mind would agree with that…(insert comment here)?

    • doofuschmartz

      tlvance  Honestly, I don’t see that we have any other choice…live free or become a Democrat Light?

  • WordsFailMe

    You veteran’s, have you signed up with the VA? Don’t wait. You may qualify. Especially if you are 10 pt disabled or more. If you are with the VA, you are expempt from Obama care

    • http://cfp4us.org/ AmericanborninCanada

      WordsFailMe If things will ever be up to the Constitutional Freedom Party myWords, there will be NO obamanationcare, and Veterans and returning troops will be getting the best care that all the billions saved from wasting on illegal immigrant welfare can buy.

  • john11111

    SARAH:  Do a dry run – ask, how many people would join your Third Party and give us contact address; I bet in less that a couple of years that number would exceed membership in Dem or Rep parties.
    Voila!

  • applepie101

    ‘If you abandon us, we’ll abandon you’ is like saying, ‘If you fire me, I’ll quit’.

    • K-Bob

      applepie101 They work for us.

      • applepie101

        K-Bob applepie101 Good point!

    • crosshr

      applepie101 more like , ok, you still want to be king with no people to be your commoners, so go and plant your own food o ye king, and fish your own crab, o ye king . lol

  • applepie101

    Below is the paraphrased introduction of the Declaration of Independence. Striking, how aptly it fits our current situation:

    ‘When a group of people finds it necessary to break former political ties, and become independent, it’s their natural and God-given right. However, it’s only fair that they explain to the world why they’re doing so.
    First of all, this goes without saying:
    – All people are created equal,
    – Their Creator gives them rights which can’t be taken away from them — Life, Liberty and the right to search for happiness, to name just a few.
    – Governments exist for the sole purpose of protecting these rights.
    – Whatever legitimate authority a government has, is allowed by the people it governs.
    – If a government tries to deprive people of their rights, the people have the right to change or abolish it.
    – They may then replace it with another that WILL protect their rights.
    Replacing government is painful and difficult, so people tend to put up with a lot of abuse before taking this step. But when the pattern of violations shows that a government is deliberately trying to establish totalitarian rule, it is peoples’ responsibility to throw off that government, and do what they must to safeguard their rights.
    That’s our situation, and that’s why we’re now changing our government. ‘

    • http://cfp4us.org/ AmericanborninCanada

      applepie101 I hate to keep doing this applepie, but did you see this from November 18? CFP’s Declaration… http://constfreparty.blogspot.com/2012/11/welcome-to-constitutional-freedom-party.html

      • applepie101

        AmericanborninCanadaapplepie101Yes, and I was glad that CFP chose to go to the founding document for its manifesto. I like the ending: ‘It will not be easy, but if things are worth
        having and keeping, they are worth working and fighting for.’ A hat-tip to Thomas Paine’s Crisis Papers? Well done.

        • http://cfp4us.org/ AmericanborninCanada

          applepie101 Yes, it was kind of from Paine, but also my own belief- as coming to the US, I believed and still do that coming here legally is hard but SO worth it. But yes, Paine’s Crisis is one of my favorites, especially these last 2 years!
          Thank you so much applepie!

    • crosshr

      applepie101  
      Amen & Amen. 
      Today you’ve been delicious and yummmmy applepie. God will give us the wisdom and strength and miles of boldness with outstanding spirit to do all we can to help us and help America.
      I kid you all not that there are a great bunch to run with around here that loves God and country. Bring what you all have ,I shall bring all I have to the fort

      • applepie101

        crosshr applepie101 Thank you, crosshr. I’ve felt more encouraged today than for a long time, mainly because of the good people here. Living in a blue state makes me a crab-apple pie at times, but I get courage and hope from you guys. Thanks!

        • crosshr

          applepie101 crosshr  
          a privilege  and honor to stand in the front line, whether  we’ll live or die, but with awesome sincere bunch of patriots like you applepie. God bless us all !

        • http://cfp4us.org/ AmericanborninCanada

          applepie101 crosshr I love crab apples. xoxox

  • JohnCraven

    Sarah and Mark, the Big Whigs of the GOP long ago abandoned the conservative principles of Ronald Reagan, even while he was still in office, and with abandoning those principles they also abandoned those of us who hold to those principles still and they’ve done it intentionally to drive us out.  Some people may not want to see the conservative base leave but there really is no choice.
    Stop the threats to take action, Sarah and Mark, and actually take action.  Convene a summit meeting of TEA Partyers and Pro-Life Social Conservatives and those of us who support a strong US military in a dangerous world – call it A CONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTION – if you will – for the express purpose of putting forth a field of candidates who will take on both the Marxist Democrats and Big Whig Republicans in this Big Governement One Party gangster system with two competing wings and BEAT THEM in the voting booth.  Either field candidates as third party conservative alternatives or as independents or – where primarying a GOP Big Whig is possible as a TEA Party Republican.  Using the name Freedom Party is as good as any or Freedom Movement will do just as well but I think we should rally around the symbol of the Bald Eagle as the emblem of such a party or movement.  Again, ACTION speaks louder than words.
    John Craven – New Orleans

    • FredFoy

      JohnCraven Absolutely! The GOP has had enough chances to get it right.

  • kessi7

    The conservative movement has not planned an exit. To exit the GOP, study how the GOP was formed.
    1. Firstly dont expect the presidency immediately
    2. Be hold to prepared only a handful of senatorial seat and some more congressional seats
    3. get a hold of some states
    4.Then launch from there.
    5. Begin by unseating GOPers who are vulnerable
    6. Accumulate the seats

    With much luck, maybe one two term presidential cycle 
    Good thing is the GOP would have to kiss their powers good bye, never will they be heads of committees or so.
    Then begin to coalesce with friendly  members of congress and form a majority.
    Then you may gun for the presidency.
    Above all, be prepared to pay the price.Knowing it wont be easy. 
    Get ready for what the LSM will say after the first round of losses.

    • FredFoy

      kessi7 Lincoln was elected in the 2nd election cycle after the Republicans began replacing the Whigs. But you are right; it will be hard, and we must educate anyone who will listen.

  • Nukeman

    It’s high time the Conservatives stopped saying we need to leave the Republican party. THEY LEFT US. Conservatives are a majority in this nation. All we have to do is stand up for our beliefs and vote our hearts. 
    Stop listening to the politicians and pundits that tell us we need to go this way or go that way. They have only their own personal interests at heart and could care less what is best for the average American citizen – a citizen, by the way, who has the power of the ballet box if we only came out in the numbers that we should come out in. The days of getting only 55% of the eligible voters to the ballet box is OVER, people.
    Let’s bring our ideals together, make it very vocal, and start the Tsunami that we have all been waiting for. It’s up to us and until we do, it’s only talk. The RINOs and the Progressives win with minorities. THAT DAY IS OVER.

  • white531

    Average post, 150, maybe 200.  Sarah Palin post, 500 and counting.  What does that tell you?
    What it tells me, is that this country is lost in a dark sea, and we have no idea what to do next. 
    Curiously, we don’t look to our elected leaders for some salvation from this madness.  Maybe because they created the madness in the first place.
    There is a very small group of people who we count on, to give us sanity in all of this.  Mark Levin, Rush, Michelle Malkin. Voices in the wilderness.  But it is the wilderness we live in right now.
    And then there’s Sarah.   And the very mention of her name, simply changes everything.
    Call me crazy, but I have thought about this for some time.  I thought to myself, given the current circumstances, what would God do, if He  didn’t like what He saw.  If He didn’t like the direction this country has taken.
    Maybe He would just pick one individual, to deliver a message.  A message  that we are on the wrong track, headed for disaster.
    If He were to do that,  can you imagine anyone more perfect in the role, than Sarah?
    You ever see that movie, called. “Oh God?”  John Denver and George Burns.  Funniest thing I ever saw.
    Sarah is close to the hearts of all of us, because Sarah is close to the way we all think and believe.
    Nothing will ever change that.   There is no other Politician on the landscape that evokes that emotion from each of us.

    • crosshr

      white531  
      Well said brah as always

  • FredFoy

    I have been saying since I first saw Republican establishment types denigrating the Tea Party with Democrat lite fervor that the GOP should remember that when the Whigs became irrelevant to their base, their base went to the new Republican party, and now as the Republican party becomes irrelevant to it’s base, we conservative constitutionalist liberty loving voters, your base, will find a new home where we are respected as citizens, and not subjects. I have been advocating that the Tea Party become a real political party in every state and do away with the Republicans. They want to play ball with the Democrats, let hem BECOME Democrats. I just hope in their dim futures that they make the Democrats wear condoms.

  • MichaelBowler

    This strikes me as impotent posturing: “If you abandon us, we’ll abandon you”
    There is no “If”, the Republican party has been poking us in the chest for years. Telling us to ‘shut up and vote’ has been the norm. There is no “If”…
    If we will do this, NOW IS THE TIME, it’s NOW OR NEVER. If we don’t go now, after all the things we’ve seen and heard for the last ten years…we’re never going to.
    We need to get conservatives to run in liberal Republican districts for 2014.

    • K-Bob

      MichaelBowler It’s only impotent posturing from the RINO point of view, because they don’t think we mean it, and they do think they can get elected without us.  We know our mindset, we know we refuse to take their crap anymore. A huge percentage of us decided it was our duty to try ONE LAST TIME, to drag a RINO over the line in order to fend off barack’s re-election.
      But even before we did our duty and pressed the lever for Romney (really for the Republican party), a huge number of us pledged we would NEVER do it again.  Never.  We meant it.  Next RINO nominee will lose in a landslide, because we won’t vote for him under any circumstance.  We’re already over the cliff, so another Prog Republican is of zero interest at this time.

      • snowshooze

        K-Bob MichaelBowler  
          Man, I thought it was just me.  I pulled the lever for Romney and barfed.
          It was a Hobson’s choice.
         I was all in for Perry, who couldn’t sell poop to fly’s, but I understood every word he said. 
        I was stuck with Romney. or bust. I did vote. I didn’t like it.

        • JohnCraven

          snowshooze, that was a most excellent comment about Perry – “couldn’t sell poop to fly’s, but I understood every word he said.”
          It’s got me grinning from ear to ear.
          John Craven – New Orleans

      • MichaelBowler

        K-Bob MichaelBowler 
        It is precisely because we did go and vote for Romney and we haven’t yet done anything but complain, the Republicans are sure we’ll knuckle under and do it again. The time is NOW to field challengers in time for the 2014 elections. We haven’t the money to mount expensive campaigns, this is a grass roots thing that must be done with activism and shoe leather. The sooner we start the more likely we are to avoid getting drubbed…thus losing our power.

        Basically conservative voters will not make the transition to voting third party unless they see the effort has a chance of success. There are a lot of people still invested in the “I have to hold my nose and vote for the RINO to thwart the Democrat.” These people are going to require a lot of convincing, without the we lose.

        • K-Bob

          MichaelBowler K-Bob I think you are missing my point. We ARE doing something about it.  Big time.  It isn’t being felt or reported by the media, but things are happening.  Don’t forget, 2012 had some key Primaries where Prog Republicans were removed from office by Tea Party challengers. That was no accident, and was not a one-time deal.  That was the start of something major, and the introduction of Ted Cruz to the Senate.  The House is getting a major earful over this stupid push for “immigration reform” and now the big guns are finally using the “third party” and “usurper” language that has been missing at the top levels.
          So to say it’s time to start is to be behind the curve already.  It started, and it’s growing. It’s time for folks to join it.

          Just think about the HUGE number of folks who voted (R) one last time in 2012 and who have sworn NEVER AGAIN.  In earlier elections we always had a few hardcases who tried getting people to do that, but we always resisted because we were trying to stop things like Obama from happening.  Well, it’s happened, big time. We did go over the cliff.  We’re no longer on a “let’s prevent all out war” footing.  We’re on a #WAR footing, and the media is missing it, and so are Boehner and McConnell. Next election we won’t be voting RINO, no matter what anyone says.  In fact, if the big guns like Rush or Hannity try to push for holding our noses, they will experience massive loss of audience.
          You really need to understand how many of us there are to get what I’m saying here. Just peruse any Conservative website (and don’t be fooled: Hot Air and Mediaite and Politico, to name only three, are NOT Conservative), and you’ll see quickly that the vast majority of folks commenting or posting have sworn never again to vote for someone like a Romney or McCain or a Christie–not under any circumstance, period.

        • snowshooze

          K-Bob MichaelBowler  
            Exactly. 
            We are sick and tired of being sick and tired. 
            No more.

        • http://cfp4us.org/ AmericanborninCanada

          MichaelBowlerK-Bob We’ve already started. Check back because we’re still vetting. http://constfreparty.blogspot.com/2013/06/endorsements.html

        • http://cfp4us.org/ AmericanborninCanada

          K-Bob MichaelBowler Cruz/West 2016  The only choice. If the GOP and talking heads don’t like it, tough.

        • crosshr

          AmericanborninCanada K-Bob MichaelBowler  
          My prayers are with you and the many that are encouraged to step out in faith, refusing to die where we are as were the lepers in the old Syrian camps. God will bless the hand that striveth, more than that, winning is an attitude, GYNORMOUS BOLD ATTITUDE !

      • Judges718

        K-Bob MichaelBowler  
        Amen Brother.

    • Valin

      MichaelBowler  
      This is why I insist we not mess around, time for a 5th or even 6th party!

  • fireme

    Call your Representative in Congress and tell them NO AMNESTY BILL to conference. Enforce the laws already on the books and explain to the public how Obama is a criminal and should be impeach. He refuses to enforce our immigration laws but forces ObamaScare up our butts!.

  • fireme

    Are there any FREEDOM PARTY bumper stickers available yet?

    • JohnCraven

      Or car magnets?  I like car magnets. I hope AmericanborninCanada heard that!!!!!
      John Craven – New Orleans

  • RefudiateGOPe

    I thinks it’s time we all stand and give Scoop and all the admins here a rousing ovation. I’m sure that they were tested severely by the PDS trolls who seem to seek out any article about Palin so they can dump their garbage.  Job well done, guys.

  • notebene

    Wow, Scoop!  Over 550 comments on this topic screams that the American people are fed up!  I pray that means they are waking up and shaking off their apathy.  I have not read each and every comment, so forgive me if I am repeating something that someone else thought of earlier.  We are Constitutional Conservatives and grass roots.  I am pointing this out because I see that many have trepidation about jumping into this, but I want to point out a thought that might make us leaner, meaner, and more powerful than both parties.  The main two parties spend millions and waste it on bonuses for “advisers/spin doctors”, that get those bonuses regardless of whether or not they win or loose.  That campaign money is our contributions that we gave believing that the GOP would fight for us and they took the money and ran instead.  Let’s learn from that, folks!  By not hinging any of our new party’s money on fake advisers that don’t have skin in the game!  We need to be soliciting marketing-savy, and tech-savy consevatives into these roles, and instead of just giving them a bonus no matter what, hinge their bonus on the success of getting our message out, and our registered membership up.  Utilizing the principles of a Capitalist, free-market instead of slick empty messaging, or propaganda.  Putting forth a fresh, genuine message will resonate with the American people, but making it a point of showing them how a campaign can be fiscally responsible and powerful would lead to millions of converts from both parties!  My main point is that even though the 2 socialist parties have these elitist, rich backers, wouldn’t it be something to actually utilize the principles we believe in to out-play, out-wit, and conquer both parties on a shoe-string?  I don’t buy that it takes a great deal of money to get a message out, it takes focus and wise spending.  That is something both parties have forgotten how to do.  With that in mind, we may be able to do way more than any of the doubters here, or the mockers in the 2 socialist, elite parties think we can!

    • http://cfp4us.org/ AmericanborninCanada

      notebene I haven’t spent any money, and while CFP isn’t huge yet, it’s growing. We can do this without the cronies- they can have the gop.

  • wodiej

    I’m glad to see that Gov. Palin warranted double the posts than the homosexual agenda.  Let’s quit worrying about what someone else is doing that has no direct affect on us.  Although Gov. Palin does not advocate gay marriage she does have a love thy neighbor attitude.  We should be so lucky to have her as an example of how to treat one another as Christ did.

    • notebene

      wodiej You didn’t watch the video about what the homosexual agenda is doing and therefore you are still ignorant to how their political agenda DOES affect ALL of us negatively.  The agenda is completely separate from the practice and it isn’t at all about tolerance or peaceful.  Glad to stay out of their backyard, as you put it, if they get the heck out of ours!

    • DanaNappi

      wodiej well said  Mr. Wodiej

    • Bill589

      wodiej
      I see your point, and certainly agree about Sarah. 
      But it’s even more than those that want to move past ‘civil unions’ with all the legal rights of marriage, and claim for themselves the Sacrament of Marriage by perverting it’s true meaning.
      (Note the hypocrisy in how we are hammered by government to not offend the Islamic faith in any minor way – while they allow rape of what is sacred to Christians and Jews.)
      There is more to their organizations’ agenda than what gets shouted in the LSM everyday. They’re another arm of our enemy against our liberty.

  • JohnBailo

    Yak yak yak.
    let’s see some action.

    • Bill589

      JohnBailo
      Read about actions in this comment section.
      And research Sarah Palin:  She IS great at yakking, but she is BEST at action.

  • DavidZimmerman2

    Praying for UKIP. I’m for getting out of the UN over here. Somehow both the UK and USA need to regain our Sovereignty. It is later in the day for the UK and you have the EU from which to disentangle, but keep the faith and perhaps we will prevail.

    • applepie101

      DavidZimmerman2And believe it or not, France seems to be moving in the same direction, if Marine Le Pen is sincere – http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/10151286/Frances-triumphant-Joan-of-Arc-vows-to-bring-back-franc-and-destroy-euro.html

      • JohnCraven

        This is an interesting article, applepie101.  Thanks for posting it here.
        Marine Le Pen is clearly a powerful rallying point for the French.  I wouldn’t compare her to St. Joan of Arc but maybe more to Margaret Thatcher.  I do remember hearing about her dad but mostly what was said in the lamestream media here and it wasn’t much else.
        I don’t think we should compare her Front National to our TEA Party Movement because I think the TEA Party Movement would be mostly comprise of Americans who are more socially conservative as well as for smaller government.  The Front National sounds more “liberterian” in its views and seems to be a lot more socially liberal.
        In any event, if the French can find the courage to throw off the shackles of socialist ideology and insanity, there is hope for the British too, and us as well in the face of Marxist tyranny of the BORG Queen, Nero Obama, and the Democrat Party.
        The GOP in this country, I believe, is more like the Vichy French of WWII in the face of the totalitarian evil of the Democrat Party. That’s why I like the idea of Sarah Palin joining a third conservative alternative party to the GOP to lead us like a genuine Joan of Arc, if you will, out of this Marxist wilderness to a new shining city on the hill.
        John Craven – New Orleans

  • PlaneDan

    Sarah is an American hero.  We need another party as suggested, but that takes a lot of work and most likely much time in court to get the right, that we are supposed to have, to compete in this “two party” system that has been established.  You will not believe how difficult the conspiracy of these two parties has made it for there to ever be a bonifide challenger to their rule.

  • Jack McMillan

    “If fascism ever comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.”

    – Sinclair Lewis, 1935