How do you explain being a Christian and then having a gay or lesbian in the ranks? that is a conflict right there!, and why do gays and lesbians want to be involved with Christians and people of faith who believe that the lifestyle that they live is a sin. Live like you want, but stop forcing your messed up choice of life on me and the faith I have, we still see it as a sin.
There is no diversity if you don't allow groups to support their own agenda; ie: Christians, Jews....
You know who chooses your friends when you are in jail? The federal govt does! This is the same garbage. Americans you are by far the dumbest people to walk the face of the earth EVER. You love apartheid (Civil Righs Act of 1964) then you are going to get in the neck.
Anyone wonder if the Muslim Student Association allows Gays?
The Christian group needs to sue the University.
Plus I'm hearing that the Boy Scouts are going to cave to the pressure of allowing gay Scout Leaders! This really upsets me. Our son was in scouting, it's the best thing for a boy to be a part of. They are moral and teach love of Country. Of course the Left would want to infiltrate something as noble as that. Gotta bring it down to their level in the gutter. This is so disappointing.
What would gays and lesbians actually bring to this Christian group? Any actual Christianity? Should we open up the Christian group to Buddhists and anarchists too?
stockpile bibles for there will soon be a day where the bible will be banned in the US.
and people try to stock up on guns. go the china where the bible is banned and a bible at times has sold for a years wages on the black market.
Easy way around this is to require abstinence for unmarried student leaders. Which should probably be a requirement anyway.
Just checked, and yes there IS a Muslim Students' Association at University of Michigan. I think it would be great to have their by-laws audited by the School. Can't wait for the leadership to show their openly gay leaders to the world.
Don't these organizations have a right to determine their leaders or not? What the heck is going on here?
There are legal forces and there are market forces. When Christians stop buying education from universities that discriminate against Christian beliefs, then they may expect to be taken seriously, and not until then.
It never fails to amaze me how many people call themselves Christians then behave in un Christian ways. So the "Christian" group thinks it's ok to discriminate against gay Christians-and yes there is such a thing...but they don't think it's Ok for them to be discriminated against. This is hypocrisy at it's finest Just like the boy scouts, when gay people attempt to live a decent life of character they are turned away by the very people who should be showing Christ's love. And that is really the only thing that helps anyone. Judgment, intolerance and hate are not Christian virtues no matter how you want to twist it.
It's not hate. It's obeying God. Sexually immoral activity is prohibited. So is eating food dedicated to idols.
I am always fascinated by those who identify what they deem to be "Christian" or "un-Christian" behavior. I imagine they would have accused Jesus of being "un-Christian" in most cases. The right to have a private group and to determine who their leaders should be has been part and parcel of all groups' leadership protocol for time immemorial. Although highly cynical, motivation for gays to "want" to be in leadership for Christian groups, especially those who actually believe what the Bible says about homosexuals, is highly suspect in my book. Other that wanting to tear down any beliefs that might be antithetical to their own, gays wanting to be in leadership of Christian groups in order to "force" their morals down the throats of the Christian members strikes me as a bit fascistic. Yes, it is completely okay to self-determine one's leaders, and that by definition IS discrimination!! So what?? I fail to see why that is a problem!! The Bible says Jesus is the only way to Heaven. That ALSO sounds discriminatory. Unless the gays want to water down what the Bible says, why would they want any part of that. Judgement is most certainly part of the Bible. So is hate and intolerance. I suggest you look up the word "holy" before you continue to embarrass yourself any more. You sound like the classic "do-gooder" who doesn't have a clue what the Bible actually SAYS!! (Hint: start with the first chapter of the Gospel of John, and then come back and tell us how "intolerant" THAT is!!)
The thing about being gay is, all I need to do to be gay is to say I'm gay. There is no way anyone can prove or disprove how a person feels about their sexual attraction. So, all of the members of Intervarsity should just claim they are gay or bisexual. What can the university do? Say they are all making it up? Then make the university prove it. How can the university say they have the right to determine who is is really gay and who is just saying they are gay. If they wanted to, Intervarsity could turn this whole thing upside down.
Is this because of government funding for Universities or just an arbitrary homosexual right handed down from the court? Get the government out of all education funding and in every other way. Start up more private colleges that can admit or omit anyone they choose.
I think a Christian pastor should go lead a gay group. They will realize the values are different and then descriminate.
SO, does anyone know if the Muslim Student Association at the UNiverstiy of Michigan has beencontacted about its policy on gay and lesbian leaders?
It looks like they MSA is using the University's facilities:
Or is it the more likely case that the same cowards are to damn chicken sh't to apply to the MSA.
Well then, gay groups on campus should have to adopt and display satanic symbols, or get off campus.
I find it disingenuous for this University to refuse a group entry into their campus for not allowing gays entry into that group's leadership. They are performing the same action that they claim is unacceptable.
'In Christian Legal Society vs. Martinez, the court ruled that a public college may enforce an “all-comers” policy on a religious group without violating the First Amendment, as long as it applies the policy to all campus groups.'
Do they, though?
Of course, we all know that it's okay to refuse infidels the right to belong to Muslim groups or anti-gays to belong to gay groups, because these groups have the right to their own beliefs, but Christians are a special case, whereby discriminating against them is okay.
(granted a gay person may well claim to be a Christian, but if their belief system clashes with that of the group, why would they want to be a member in that group anyway, let alone in leadership roles?)
So, should a pro-abortion person be allowed to be a leader of a pro-choice group? Would that even make sense at all? Or perhaps, we need more extreme liberals in the Young-Republican ranks. That would be oh so fine to them.
The goal is to compromise and distort the base beliefs of any group they infiltrate.
"The goal is to compromise and distort the base beliefs of any group they infiltrate."
"Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself." 1 Tim. 6:5 KJV
Since a college education is almost useless now that they are shutting down the country, Christians should probably just pull out of these colleges. The best protest would be a mass exodus of students.
The Holy Spirit said that "men of high degree (higher education) are a lie (Psalm 62:9). Higher education is nothing but trying to get rid of Absolute Truth.
Spot on. Mom and Dads money walks away [ with the student. ] Followed by a letter to the president on the university with an explanation.
BTW, if this Christian group had a student member who's parent was a high level $$$ booster or politically connected, this would NOT have happened. Political correctness gets fuzzy when it hits someone's wallet
If they're Asian, they may be affiliated with my church (Japanese Christian Fellowship), which means they've (U of M) acquired a very loud and uncompromising enemy.
Guess who that is.
There are two issues here.
First off, gay and lesbian students should be welcomed with open arms into the Christian club. This idea that we as Christians shouldn't love people who sin differently than the rest of us is a perversion of scripture. News flash to all of you throwing stones: YOU ALL SIN, that's the WHOLE POINT OF CHRIST. Christianity 101 is so TOUGH!
The issue is leadership. If someone knowingly is violating teachings of the faith, they shouldn't be in leadership positions. Are the bylaws of the club written that way? If so, then fine, the university is overstepping, as it is forcing the club to violate it's rules set in its beliefs.
The inability to separate these two issues is appalling to me. Don't wonder why we're viewed as anti-gay when you show such knee-jerk reaction because these folks sin differently than YOU DO. Now, go read the story of the woman who was going to be stoned and Jesus' reaction, and learn something.
My understanding is that Gays are not forbidden from meetings or services, but are prohibited from leadership roles.
Would the college or courts defend the right of a Christian or Jew from a leadership role in a Muslim Mosque?
We elect people to congress who take an oath they refuse to believe in and judges who don't uphold the constitution....Look where that has lead us....destruction of the organization.
Perhaps, a church would allow them access and I think this is what Christians are going to have to do..............stick together. We're going to have to join forces with one another, regardless of denominational bent and fight for what we believe in. If Jesus died for us we can fight for Him in His Name.
Big deal. The Book says He died for the ungodly! It doesn't mean that I welcome unsaved hellbound people into my home who REJECT Jesus Christ as their Saviour. You are a damn fool!
Absolutely, but as those who are called by His Name we must stand and fight against darkness. If we don't who will????
God forgives anyone who comes to Him with a humble, sincere heart but also hates sin. Love the sinner hate the sin.
Sorry but more church garbage here. God hates the sin and hates the sinner UNLESS that sinner comes to Jesus Christ. If not, then, that sinner is a hell bound fool!
And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
God is a God of love, but also of consuming fire. And, I dont mean separation from God. Know what a faggot is? It is a bundle of sticks used for burning! Jesus Christ said, as it was in the days of Lot so shall it be when the son of man is revealed. What Jesus is saying that right before His immediate return the faggots and queers would be setting up the days of Lot.
Where the worm dieth not and the fire is not quenced!
Yes, especially there in Michigan, the Islamic capital of the US*, with Dearbornistan there.
We (Christians) should begin infiltrating their groups and demand our "rights;" although I personally wouldn't be interested in doing that. Too dangerous.
1) No Homo is brave enough
2) The Homo would disappear, and any investigation would be a sham
3) Obama and authorities would agree, the Homo had no right to insult the Religion Of Peace and the prophet Muhammud