By The Right Scoop


Sometimes I wonder what the founders would think of this nation if there were alive today. Would they be more shocked by the 16 trillion in debt or the filth that masquerades as education in our society?

CAMPUS REFORM – Administrators at the prestigious University of Chicago are in the midst of hosting a comprehensive sex week that includes controversial events such as a course on sex education for kids, a play entitled “Genitalia the Musical,” and “Anal 101.”

According to the event’s official webpage, “Sex Ed for Kids” will be run by the Secular Alliance from 5-6pm Sunday and will offer college students advice on how to “teach kids” about sex and “learn yourself.”

“How do we talk about sex and its related concepts of choice, gender, and desire to our kindergarteners?” asks the event’s description posted on uchicagosexweek.com.

The event’s webpage encourages students to attend in order to answer burning questions such as “what are the finer points of penetration, oral, or anal sex?” and “how do I tie my partner up safely?”

The event also features a play, “Genitalia the Musical: Star crossed genitals wreak havoc in Pittsburgh.”

A Feb. 13 session, titled “Great Oral Sex: with Tea Time & Sex Chats,” promises a “discussion on going down on men and women” — including “techniques” — all over tea.

A Feb. 15 session, entitled “Anal 101,” is advertised as a course on the “logistics and pleasures of anal sex.” It will include lessons on “prep, protection, barebacking, etc.”

The how-to sessions continue all the way to the last day with a rope-tying demonstration put on by the Risk-Aware Consensual Kink, which advises those interested in bondage to “bring your own rope, if you can!”.

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  • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

    God help us. Please.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OQI5D66OXO7X2FE4NVCZC7BAMA Joe

      Is it still possible ?

      • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

        I still pray Joe. But I gotta wonder sometimes if He’s willing…

        • B-Funk

          Remember that wherever there are two of us, God says he’ll be there too. There are waaaay more than two in America! ^_^ We still have to win the culture back, though. Don’t get discouraged. I dunno about everyone else, but discouragement keeps me from acting, and that’s what God doesn’t want. Chin up everyone! We win in the end either way.

          • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

            I often think about Abraham’s conversation with the Lord, are there 50 righteous men? I know there are still plenty of God fearing wonderful prayer warriors left in America, which is most likely why we haven’t completely collapsed yet.
            Thanks B.

            • JG

              Psalm 137:9

          • TexasPGRRider

            Way to Be, B !!! AMEN, and Peace Be With You….

        • badbadlibs

          He’s not willing any should perish. I just wonder how many have been given over to a reprobate mind???? :(

        • pajamakat

          I think he gave up. He must look at the human race with total disgust. I know I do. How sad this is.

          • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

            I often feel the same. I have to wonder just how much is too much- but He won’t give up so easily I don’t think, at least I hope.

        • JG

          We must take matters into our own hands, as God told us:

          Jeremiah 48:10 A curse on anyone who is lax in doing the Lord’s work! A curse on anyone who keeps their sword from bloodshed!

          • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

            I think I’ll let vengeance belong to the Lord and just continue to pray instead for lost ones.

            • JG

              But God says we are cursed if we keep our swords from bloodshed?? Are you not a true Christian or something? I mean, it is His word. How else can we fix this??

              • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

                It’s not up to us to fix with swords. Prayer is something satan hates. God has moved in amazing ways because of prayer. That and telling the truth, spreading His Word. How many did Paul kill? Yet Paul working in the Spirit moved many hearts.

              • sjmom

                JG,

                As a Christian we live under the New Covenant and Jesus told us to love one another. However, He did give us weapons and talked about binding and loosing. Then, as written in 2 Corinthians 10: 5 Paul writes “the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty through God” and in Ephesians 6 tells us we are not fighting flesh and blood but the forces of darkness and our offensive weapon is the Sword, which is the Word of God.

                Therefore, we are not fighting people but the evil behind them and must bind the enemy and loose the angels, while using the Word to change what we see. In the OT the people did not have the indwelt Spirit of God as we do. Spend some time in Ephesians to know who you are in Christ and the power which you have over the enemy. Jesus does not want us using the physical sword but the heavenly Sword. When you learn how to use it you will find it to be very effective.

                • toongoon

                  Excellent response mom. It is important to remember that the battle is with an evil force, not people.

                • sjmom

                  Thanks :)

      • http://www.crossworksme.com/ GiantM

        I see only one answer ahead.

    • warpmine

      Prestigious my foot!

      God forbid we teach children to read, learn math and science and above all else learn to be self reliant and responsible for one’s self.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/44F4AB4VSCTOCHBMBG4ZWWD5OU Laurel

      Churches in Chicago and Illinois should be busing people in to protest this.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/KYTC7EGQASGOTQYPY2KPC4XCZY Don

        Chicago is the major center for evil in the country. They have long passed the point of no return for morality, intergrity and common decency. It is a cesspool that spawned the most narcissistic, pathological liar in our history. That is why they are the most bankrupt state in the country because of the obvious corruption. History has always been a struggle between good and evil and now the cowering from the right is exactly what motivates the progressive left to force their will on the majority because we make it so easy, they cannot help themselves.

        • JG

          I see only one solution and its only fitting that today is Ash Wednesday

          • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

            OK Sorry JG, We don’t advocate violence here, even if you believe you’re doing the Lord’s work. I don’t know what church you go to- but God sent Jesus into the world because He so Loved the world. He does abhor the sin, but He never would have sent His only begotten Son into the world if He didn’t intend for people to hear the Gospel and be saved. I’ll be putting my faith and trust in Him, knowing He’s in control of all things.
            But for here and now, I’m going to have to ask you to stop posting just certain verses which pertain to Old Testament wars between the Chosen ones of God and heathens. We’re not Israel- we’re the church. We fight against principalities, not flesh and blood.

      • sickandtired

        Laurel. the churches can’t say a word because they ate the evil fruit of the government and now they are owned. Anytime you except money or exemptions from the government, then they can tell you what and when to say something.

      • sickandtired

        Laurel. the churches can’t say a word because they ate the evil fruit of the government and now they are owned. Anytime you except money or exemptions from the government, then they can tell you what and when to say something.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Chris-Bates/842944161 Chris Bates

      I think he’s gave up and created another blue marble removing the Liberalism genetic traits.

      • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

        A new heaven and a new earth.

        • badbadlibs

          Make us ready, Jesus! We need YOU!

          • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

            Amen!

    • Cindy09

      If He does, He’ll take all the Lots and their wives and children out of the city before burning it down!

      • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

        Or the Noah’s and their wives into the ark :-)

        • TexasPGRRider

          Hate to butt in here, have you got one of these yet for tonight:http://iowntheworld.com/blog/?p=18571

          • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

            LOL you’re never butting in. Yes, I’ve got one lol. What do you think I’ve been playing these past 4 years ;-) It’s good for any time, not just the STOTU speeches ;-)

        • badbadlibs

          One of my wonderful former Pastor’s use to refer to salvation as the “Ark of Safety” :)

          • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

            I like the Ark idea badbadsis because God sealed them in Himself. I see Jesus doing the same kind of thing when He comes for His own :-D

    • http://www.facebook.com/dedre.simms DeDre Simms

      If God helps us, we must be prepared for how he decides to do it. He could decide to take a play from Genesis 19.

      Romans 1;27,28,29) And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 28) And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 29) Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,..”

      Nevertheless,…let God do what He’s gotta do; our cup of abominations are full to overflowing.

  • SineWaveII

    How much is this costing? Who’s paying for it? And when the money was appropriated was it known that it was going to be used for this purpose?

  • Conniption Fitz

    Unfortunately, this is just the tip of the Iceberg. It’s gotten much worse since President Gaga took office. He encourages such cr*p.

    To keep up with the level of idiocy and debauchery on campuses across the US – go to College Insurrection, sister (or brother) site of Legal Insurrection, begun by Cornell Law Professor William Jacobson: http://collegeinsurrection.com/

    Some of the headlines, classes, clubs and special weeks on college campuses will creep you out:
    Swarthmore Lecturer Preaches ‘Queer Christ’ To Students
    Harvard students start sadomasochist club.

    The liberal left think anything goes – except orthodox, traditional Christianity and self-control…aka abstinence.

    • Conniption Fitz

      These people are ‘Science Deniers’ – they ignore the dangers and health risks, etc. of the behaviors they advocate and practice.

      They are also ‘Fact/Evidence Deniers’ in that they talk about Republicans’ war on women, but ignore the horrific atrocities and injustices of Islam (its texts and its followers) against women.

      • Conniption Fitz
        • unclesamnephew

          do i need protection before clickng these sites?

          • Conniption Fitz

            These are safe Christian sites publishing the facts.

          • http://boogieforward.us/ K-Bob

            You should always have a condom on each finger when typing about this stuff.

            Just to be safe.

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/44F4AB4VSCTOCHBMBG4ZWWD5OU Laurel

          Dr. Grossman really is definitive resource on this topic and has done extensive academic research. If the kids responding on this website in defense of this sex week class even read just one of her books out of intellectual curiosity, yes that requires objectivity, they would begin to see what it is we are talking about. Instead they prefer to do filthy catch phrases to shock people into coming to their ‘classes’.

          • CharlesDWard

            Having never heard of Dr. Grossman before, she does seem like an interesting and legitimate read, and I’m sure she has a lot to say about the subject. However, Sex Week isn’t about promoting wild promiscuity, but about discussing sex in a responsible and frank way that helps to prevent STD proliferation, teen pregnancies, etc. Maybe you’ll tell yourself that even teaching about sexual protection so often so publicly is just lending a hand to hook-up culture by acknowledging it exists, but the facts show that teen pregnancies are among the highest in those parts of the country that preach abstinence and/or non-use of contraception (http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/04/10/461402/teen-pregnancy-sex-education). Kids will figure sex out with or without the help of a sex ed program, and the data shows that they’ll do it regardless of what you tell them unless you can massively control what they see and hear; we can at least ensure that they aren’t doing anything dangerous.

            • http://profile.yahoo.com/44F4AB4VSCTOCHBMBG4ZWWD5OU Laurel

              Wrong! Teen pregnancy and teen STD’s especially is the highest in the country right here where I live so are teen car accident deaths. Yes sex education is mandatory. Once again you made yet another assumption…what is it with the college kids these days anyway? You presume I blamed sex ed for that but I do not. I blame the culture that tells kids that they only have a relationship if they have sex. Many girls here consider a notch in their belt. Kids are figuring it out because the culture tells them to. It doesn’t tell them otherwise for certain. There is a correlation between all of this stuff and unhealthy relationships, sexual dysfunction, dysfunctional children, and the divorce rate.

              If this Sex Week was so much for educational purposes the classes themselves wouldn’t have the stupid titles they do. You kids wouldn’t be on here trying to justify it the way you…you would be a whole lot less defensive.

              Now my dear if you want to be a true thinker do a couple of things. Don’t put up links to propagandist websites that don’t critically think but seek to manipulate and control. There is nothing at Think Progress that is useful…and yes I have been to the site. How many times they have to get busted before you guys cop a clue? Next up stop making assumptions about people that are based in stereotype.

              You are yet another that thou doth protest too much.

    • UchiTaisho

      No we think traditional Christianity and abstinence are great for the people who choose those things based on their own free will. Also, everything does not go. Only actions that are agreed upon by whoever is involved go. Consent and freedom do in fact go for the “liberal left.”

      • http://boogieforward.us/ K-Bob

        You just defined a form of libertarianism, not “the liberal left.”

        The left is all about letting the government decide.

  • RJLigier

    WTG, Chicago. Nothing is more important than teaching homosexual and bisexual women to be as depraved as homosexual and bisexual men by showing them how to stick an arm up to the shoulder through the anus, except for perhaps putting feet inside the rectum or vagina. Nothing is evolved about this behavior, these are deviant animals, as no species on earth engages in such behavior.

    • RACK

      No other species (that we know of) on earth has developed organized religion either. The same goes for languages on the scale of humanity. And many other human behaviors. Are those deviant and sick as well?

      Isn’t it reasonable to think that perhaps our complexities and differences are simply part of being human? And as you might put it, God given? If, in your belief, god makes no mistakes, then who are you to question his intentions in creating all manner of man, women, and beast? If we are all god’s children and god loves us all, then how can you claim that he hate some of us because of the way that, according to you, he created us? The bible says that we are all created in god’s image no? So who is to say that in the thousands of years since his original thoughts, he or she hasn’t grown, and changed. If you trust in this being, then why can’t you trust that variations are ok? After all, according to your belief and faith, God put them here.

      • http://boogieforward.us/ K-Bob

        Arguing with God is a waste of time. The scriptures are pretty plain, just like the Constitution is. They aren’t living and breathing documents. I’m not strongly religious; in fact, I’m nearly agnostic, but I sure as heck wouldn’t waste my time trying to re-interpret scripture. That’s an even more pointless exercise than trying to convince people that slavery is OK because it’s in the Bible.

  • Rocco11

    Who’s teaching “anal 101,” Barney frank?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OQI5D66OXO7X2FE4NVCZC7BAMA Joe

    ZEROs IDEA – NO DOUBT!

    Really pathetic!

    • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

      Arnie Duncan and Bill Ayres.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/OUV5ETK5PYFLHV4UGPO2LLZ2QM Dallylawnman

    And Illinois is broke,The tax payer’s if they had bat sense should be raising holy hell!

    • UchiTaisho

      It is a private university, therefore no tax money is funding this.

  • bjohnson55

    Oh man, speechless. I feel sorry for the parents paying for this. I will pray an extra prayer for these kids souls and pray that those teachers burn for eternity in Hell.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/FICKCD5KBE2AVC4ZKTP6CWI5ZY Amy

      “pray that those teachers burn for eternity in Hell.” How VERY Christian of you… Way to go, Westboro.

      • bjohnson55

        Westboro really? Hell is a very real place, as real as Heaven Aria and there is a very special place in Hell for teachers who lead the flock astray.

        • RACK

          So, I’m confused. I’m a student but I’m helping to organize and teach some of the classes at Sex Week. So, do I pray and get forgiven… or do I just go to Hell? If so can you give me directions because I have no clue where it is.

          Jokes aside, most parents would want their kids to be educated and safe. Sex Week falls inline with those wishes. This article mentions none of the panels on consent, safety, consequences, ethics, religion, health, rape culture, and the like.

          • bjohnson55

            Your salvation is between Jesus and you. Salvation is THE most important subject you or anybody standing on the face of this Earth will come to grips with. Pray that Jesus will enter your life and that you accept him as lord and savior. Accept that he died on the cross for your sins and thank God he gave his only son as redemption for those sins. That would be my answer to your opening snark. Of the panels you mentioned I see no mention of morals or is that something for the unenlightened and unwashed masses who are unfortunate to not have the opportunity to be educated by these Ivy League Nobel Laureates at this bastion of higher learning?

            • RACK

              I view ethics as pretty synonymous with morals, especially when talking about faith/religion. So the ethics and religion part of the list would be what you are referring to. Granted that my morals and yours don’t seem to match up but, as mentioned, there are events lead by clergy.

              • bjohnson55

                So now there is a degree in hair splitting being offered at this pinnacle of enlightenment? I suppose that will frame up and look as good on the wall as that Under Water Basket Weaving degree will. Now I have to add ethics and morals I suppose can be stretched and kneaded until you find some similarities but are most definitely not the same thing.

                • RACK

                  Moral – of or relating to principles of right and wrong in behavior

                  Ethics – the principles of conduct governing an individual or a group

                  Both are from Merriam-Webster

                  Ethics are the lists of morals for a particular culture/Society/group. In this case we are talking about two epistemic cultures the Christianity and University (Some might also call this one Academia or Science). I don’t see the stretch here.

                • bjohnson55

                  The difference between ethics and morals can seem somewhat arbitrary to many, but there is a basic, albeit subtle, difference. Morals define personal character, while ethics stress a social system in which those morals are applied. In other words, ethics point to standards or codes of behavior expected by the group to which the individual belongs. This could be national ethics, social ethics, company ethics, professional ethics, or even family ethics. So while a person’s moral code is usually unchanging, the ethics he or she practices can be other-dependent. Our Morals should not change from day to day just to fit what we want or for what will make us feel good at this moment in time. Ethics is what is taught in schools and universities as being the same thing as morals because of the magic and liberal thought process of “all change is good”. Sorry but that is simply false.

                • RACK

                  Christianity is a social system. Your personal ethics and morals are informed by The Bible, no? So, your personal beliefs were formed based on what ethics your Church taught.

                • bjohnson55

                  My morals were taught to me by my Father and Mother who were taught by their Father and Mother and do not change. Any other thought process on the matter is false, especially when it comes to what is being taught in our liberal schools systems. It is called indoctrination and or brain washing with the purpose of supplanting or undermining the basic moral system which has worked so well for this country for so long.

                • RACK

                  Saying that Morals don’t change is what is false. Morality in the treatment of other races has changed. In the 1800’s White Parents would teach children that Africans are Subhumans, animals even, and it is of to enslave and beat them. Somewhere along the lines parents stopped teaching their kids that… or the kids stopped believing that.

                  There are a vast number of morals that parents might teach. They change as people grow. Personal or societal, morals are like many things a social construct.

                  And parents learn it from a place, that place tends to be a societal institution such as a Church, school, in some cases in the library that carried the book they read etc.

                • bjohnson55

                  You have been fully indoctrinated there my friend, and are so beaten up by the breast beating, guilt ridden, hand wringing academics in our hallowed halls of education you will be years finding a way out of the maze they have constructed for you. My parents did not abdicate morals and the teaching of them as I have not with my children. I cannot speak for the society as a whole but morals have been removed from schools along with GOD and we see the results of that removal today in the form of this little so called celebration and other societal ills we hear about in the news every day, seems endless. Now you keep mixing the two (ethics and morals) and I would suggest sitting down and just clarifying the two so you can clearly distinguish between them. There is no relativity here, morals are spiritual and do not change, Ethics of this world, are driven by an always changing and evolving society and like entropy that change is always towards chaos.

                • RACK

                  Wow…
                  And you think I’m “indoctrinated”… Lol.

                • bjohnson55

                  Yes I do, are you going to do a drive by or are you going to attempt to support your statement?

                • RACK

                  I get more hate, discrimination and such from “moral” people who disagree with my life. Be it my race, my asexuality, or any of my convictions. I love the quote by Gandhi that says “I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”

                  Churches are social institutions. You already said that social institutions teach ethics. Ethics are lists of morals that are agreed upon by a group. You admitted ethics change; therefore, the morals that make them must have changed. And with that I’m out because I stop being able to have semi-civil discourse when the racist hate mail starts. :-/

                  Just keep in mind, all the people you guys are hating on, they could be your kids. 18, 19, 20, 21 etc. So I ask, is it your (I’m using the royal you) morals or your ethics that make it ok to attack us both publicly and now privately while “defending” the youth. Either we are all adults or we are all kids. Have your opinions, but don’t divulge into hateful slurs and slander.

                  I will hand it to you BJ I don’t agree with you and I think that you are misinformed on what Sex Week is about but at least you’ve been mostly respectful in our conversation.

                • bjohnson55

                  Rack, I appreciate your ability not to let the conversation devolve into an emotional abyss, tells me there is hope for you.:-) What you perceive as an attack from folks like myself I believe to be more parental concern and as the Bible says (I know here he goes again) Proverbs 13:24, He who spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him is careful to discipline him. There are people who are aged but not adults and there are people who are young but are mature beyond their years. There is no rite of passage in my world dependent upon your chronological age. Maturing is a matter of how you handle relationships, how you handle adversity and where your belief in Christ is. Keep working on your ethics/morals dogma, they are similar but really do mix like oil and water. When you stir the oil and water mixture you get the ugly gooey mess that really isn’t good for anything. The moral equivalency games you are playing concerning this Sex Week are flat out wrong, it is amoral period. It may be ethical but is 100% amoral. I have to say good-bye and good luck to you at this point otherwise I am going to have to start charging you tuition and come up with tests and junk like that and quite frankly that would be very annoying.

        • Elli_B

          Well yes,there is a hell and there very well could be a special circle of it devoted to those “leading the flock astray” (I’m not up on my bible verses well enough to know if or where that is mentioned so I’ll leave it as an uncertainty) however, I believe the point is that you are not supposed to be praying for their damnation, but rather their salvation.

          I will admit that the Westboro comment was uncalled for and not classy.

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/44F4AB4VSCTOCHBMBG4ZWWD5OU Laurel

          Well I could quote Dante but I have found college students aren’t up on that either. ;)

          • bjohnson55

            I say quote away, they are getting worthless degrees in college which means they need to be schooled somewhere else. It may as well be you or me, I just wish I could charge them tuition.

    • UchiTaisho

      The University is not paying for the events, it just so happens that students on campus are holding the events. Wishing hell upon nobel laureates who are not even involved in the event really shows, anger, ignorance, and true hate. Also *kid’s souls* I’m glad you do not need punctuation to pray.

      • bjohnson55

        Now I know why this happens at this University, Nobel Laureates teach there. The likes of Al Gore and Obama leading the kids astray. I have never had a punctuation test given by Jesus when I pray to him. I will ask him if punctuation really is a salvation issue. Somehow I am thinking the answer will be “no that would be a petty issue and not a salvation issue.” Have a blessed day.

  • Watchman74

    “Corrupt the young; get them away from religion. Get them interested in sex. Make them superficial; destroy their ruggedness.” -Communist manifesto

  • Sober_Thinking

    It’s all just a big joke to them isn’t it? How humorous.

    Ask Sodom how that lifestyle worked out for them.

    Madness. Abomination.

  • http://www.heritage.org/ Schmedley Mcgillicutty

    I strongly recommend this article related to this unfortunate subject occurring in our schools. http://www.hillsdale.edu/news/imprimis/archive/issue.asp?year=2013&month=01

    • TexasPGRRider

      Thanks Schmed !!! More at stake here than many realize….

  • 3d81

    Well when your own president uses a young women and sex as an election advertisement then it’s a pretty good indication of where the country is morally at.

    How did it feel voting for the first time ladies? Was it as good for you as for me? Ooooh baby…

    • Constitution Lover(underconsta

      Good point and how they merit on looks and “skills”, than morals, etc. UUUgh

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZVCGRG62NAGQXJ6ZNE4JCTVVTU Ray

    You fathers that send your daughters to these universities have me a little befuddled. I was talking to a guy at work when I lived in Wisconsin, he was dropping off his daughter and was registering her outside, he looked up and there was a banner on the dorm that said, “Thank you fathers for your freshmen daughters!”

    • Constitution Lover(underconsta

      Poor guy, thats a shame….and scary.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZVCGRG62NAGQXJ6ZNE4JCTVVTU Ray

        what is even scarier is their daughter may end up on one of those college porn sites.

        • Constitution Lover(underconsta

          I hear ya my friend. Scary indeed. My daughter came home from classes this week mortified because one of the extra credit seminars this week is a speaker on AIDS. Not so bad one might think at first being they began these in HS, but then was advised by the professor to be prepared because the speaker would also be bringing toys, etc. THis is SO not needed. We, as parents, discussed safe sex and private issues/warnings with the children, no need to mention the voluminous information on the internet or libraries should they continue to learn for personal reasons. But here we are in this scary world that our kids are now entering-telling them that there are no limits and everything is ok. Hope our upbringing is enough of a “protection force field” and with God’s help, they make it in and out of this world ok. Good luck to you all as well my friend.

    • http://boogieforward.us/ K-Bob

      More than fifteen years ago, the local University frat houses had big banners up with similar crap on them. One frat house was advertising a game, called “Stick Any Pig,” where the object was to have sex with as many women as possible during pledge week.

      Hey, I was a college kid once, and I loved the liberty of being on my own. I was also a rock musician for many long years. I lived a somewhat loose lifestyle. But I never, ever, disrespected women. Not even once.

      There’s no excuse for the war on women that feminism has devolved to. And I say this as someone who supported the early, true feminists, like the ones who started NOW before it became all-homosexual-all-socialism-all-the-time nonsense.

      • JG

        Its awful that people would ever support or be part of an institution that disrespects women. Everybody knows exposing young women to ideas about consensual sexual habits, especially the kinky ones, only brainwashes these puny minded innocents into becoming total sluts. We need to go back to the days of arranged marriage and incest, those long lost Biblical days.

        Timothy 2:12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet.~ God

        • http://boogieforward.us/ K-Bob

          Here’s an idea, why don’t you go back to your foul masters and leave off the blood libel BS, you obvious moby.

          What, you thought Christians were stupid or something?

          • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

            I think he’s a plant K-Bob. Check out some of his other comments. I’ve been going around trying to clean up.

            • http://boogieforward.us/ K-Bob

              He sure is. All of his comment history shows that he is abusing scripture to make himself look like a Christian. Then he makes stupid, let’s-kill-them-all statements; like anyone with brain cells that connect would fall for it.

              • CharlesDWard

                I’m pretty sure it’s just satire.

                • http://boogieforward.us/ K-Bob

                  No.

                • CharlesDWard

                  Coming from the perspective of a non-Christian, it’s obviously satire. I don’t think he expects anyone to fall for it.

                • http://boogieforward.us/ K-Bob

                  Satire is what comedians and humorists do. His comment history shows this is his only schtick. He’s a one-trick pony. A broken record. So no, it most definitely is not satire. Sad, maybe, but not satire.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/44F4AB4VSCTOCHBMBG4ZWWD5OU Laurel

    Sex Ed for Kids sounds like Pedophilia 101 to me.

    Why is public money being spent on this? why do we allow it? there was a time not to long ago the mobs would be forming.

    • martha chandler

      The depravity of the left never ends.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/44F4AB4VSCTOCHBMBG4ZWWD5OU Laurel

        No it doesn’t.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=684089563 Jordan Sun

      There is no public money being spent on this. First of all, UChicago is a private institution. Secondly, the students in charge got funding through sponsorships and other resources–i.e.-hard work.
      Sex Ed for Kids is a discussion on what is the best way to educate kids about sex–what is appropriate and not. It is a very important topic since those who do not receive sex ed (or receive abstinence-only sex ed) are statistically more at risk of pregnancy and STIs because they do not understand what they are getting into. What’s wrong with figuring out how to make your children safe in the future?

      • CBDenver

        Take your phony propaganda elsewhere, troll.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=684089563 Jordan Sun

          Phony propaganda is redundant…no, it’s possibly a a double-negative. Thank you for calling me correct :)
          I thought trolls were the ones who spewed stuff to get others mad on purpose, not people who gave out facts. I mean, if readers would rather believe people who have simply read an article based on another incorrect article and formed a quick opinion–over those who are intimately involved in the University and are seeing everything going on/hearing the talks/seeing the posters/etc.–that’s fine with me, I guess.

        • UchiTaisho

          Jordan Sun gives accurate facts and is accused of being a troll? You’re silly.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/44F4AB4VSCTOCHBMBG4ZWWD5OU Laurel

        I guarantee you public money in one form or another turns the lights on. What is taking place at that school isn’t sex ed. It’s pornography 101. It’s pedophilia 101. It’s many things but it isn’t sex ed.

        And funny thing about sex ed…since more and more of it has been put into the public sphere we have had an increase over the decades of STD’s and pregnancy.

        • Elli_B

          Excuse me for butting in here, but how do you know what is taking place here if you
          1) Are not here
          2) Don’t plan to go to the classes?

          There is no such “pedophilia 101″ class, though I imagine you are referring to the “Sex Ed for Kids” class which is about, and I quote: “How do we talk about sex and its related concepts of choice, gender, and desire to our kindergarteners? Our teenagers? Workshop ideas to teach kids and learn yourself.” It is not about making children the object of sex, but about how to answer when questions come up like “mom, where do babies come from?” and how to keep a healthy and informative discussion when children become old enough to engage in sex (this can also mean bringing up abstinence only views if that is your way).

          You spend a lot of time focusing on the negative, but there are classes you would readily approve of. There’s “Proper Intimacy: With Religious Advisers” which will bring in leaders of many religious groups to lead a discussion about how intimacy does and doesn’t fit within their beliefs. There’s also “God, Love, and Passion: Fishbowl Conversation by Spiritual Life”, a couple classes on menstruation (nothing too sexy there), and appearances by doctors who will talk about risks involved during sex and how to stay safe and protected which could very well help lower the rate of STD’s and pregnancies.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/44F4AB4VSCTOCHBMBG4ZWWD5OU Laurel

            Apparently sarcasm escapes you hence the reason you need a college course/symposium to intelligently discuss sex…somehow I don’t think it will help.

            As to how I can comment…THIS IS A BLOG AND THAT IS WHAT IS DONE ON BLOGS.

            This country really and truly is spoiled rotten rich when it has time to waste on crap like these classes.

            Also something here just doesn’t pass the smell test since this blog is being invaded with a bunch of really really overly defensive people. I think thou doth protest too much and most especially in your efforts to silence free speech.

            As a parent I can tell you if you are having to explain sex to your five year old then somewhere along the line of decision making process you failed your children.

            Now here is a 101 lesson for you free of charge: Don’t tell people they have to actually experience something to comment. It’s a straw man argument at best and a logical fallacy. Are you going to next tell me I can’t comment on illegal immigration because I am not an illegal immigrant?!

            • Elli_B

              I never said you were not free to comment nor did I ask how you could. You are free to comment in any blog about whatever you like. It is a free country and you are entitled to your opinions. My issue was with you making claims as though they were fact when you have no evidence to back them up. You can make theories as to what is going on at the university, but it is wrong to state you know the truth when you have no evidence to support your claims. I never said you had to have experience to comment. You can share your opinions wherever it please you, as long as they are opinions and not masqueraded as facts. For example, you could comment on illegal immigration as much as you like, however you could not comment from the view or standpoint of an immigrant as you would not know what that situation is like for them.

              I’m sorry to have offended you so. I was not aiming to silence free speech, but merely exercising my right to it by sharing facts and trying to create a productive discussion that revolves around truths instead of emotionally charged comments and accusations.

              • http://profile.yahoo.com/44F4AB4VSCTOCHBMBG4ZWWD5OU Laurel

                The official webpage of the event is all that is needed. I could quote it but it is a tad filthy. http://www.sexweekuchicago.com/schedule

                Perhaps you should re-read or edit before letting something stand. You didn’t offend me at all. As to your illegal immigrant example…wrong again! I can full well imagine what it is like to be an illegal immigrant and can say so from that angle…especially being a Californian. What I cannot do is claim that I am an illegal immigrant. That would be lying.

                Do they not teach critical thinking skills any longer? I have another question for you. How do you know what I would readily approve of? You made an assumption that is not yours to make.

                Here is an observation made from my multiple years on the planet, and as I understand it there are a multitude of books that back that observation up. The more society does really stupid crap like what is taking place at University of Chicago the more sexually dysfunctional society becomes. Let the vicious cycle continue.

                My dear if you want a productive discussion don’t defend the indefensible and don’t make assumptions or logical fallacies. You almost were there by telling me what you thought was good about it. Of course I can counter that by asking for an objective opinion on what is bad about it as well. Your answer would tell me all I need to know.

                • Elli_B

                  Alright, you got me. It was one of my less eloquent moments to be sure. As they are deemed unfit, let us throw out everything that I said and start fresh. Just the basics.

                  You said: “I guarantee you public money in one form or another turns the lights on. What is taking place at that school isn’t sex ed. It’s pornography 101. It’s pedophilia 101. It’s many things but it isn’t sex ed.”

                  This is a very strong statement with no sign of uncertainty in its claims. You guarantee public money is involved and describe what we are doing as anything but sex ed. You admitted that the pedophilia 101 comment was sarcasm, but let the rest of your words stand. You go on to back up your claims with the sex week website as evidence, however you refuse to quote it as it is “filthy”.

                  Allow me to quote it instead.

                  “Sex on the Big Screen: with Peer Health Educators. Enjoy hilarious “sex” scenes from Hollywood’s films and TV programs. Not only will you laugh your head off, you’ll learn how to be sexually safer and smarter!”
                  Hmmm…. learning how to be sexually safer and smarter. Sounds like sex ed.

                  “Atheism & Sex: Greta Christina, Blogger. The sexual morality of religion tends to be based, not on ethics, but on a set of taboos voiced by God. How can atheists view sexual ethics without belief in God?”
                  Striving for ethics even when one doesn’t have the Word of God. That doesn’t seem too bad. Yes, it would be great if they did convert to Christianity, but at least they’re trying to be ethical.

                  “Life, Sex, and Doctors: Dr. Lindau. Dr. Lindau, Medical Center, will cover five to ten things everyone should know about human sexuality across the life course. Learn about research and life lessons over lunch.”
                  Doctors imparting information that everyone should know, super educational.

                  “The First Time: with Tea Time & Sex Chats. A fun, interactive, and unabashed discussion on abstinence, virginity, chemistry, comfort, kissing, foreplay, and sex. This led-by-students discussion is for all.”
                  Abstinence and virginity included. It’s not promoting sex, but a discussion on sex that includes Christian ideals as well.

                  “Proper Intimacy: With Religious Advisors. Join a diverse group of leaders in navigating religion and intimacy. What is proper intimacy? How do we talk about love? What are your teachings and practices?”
                  More religion. Religious Advisers talking about what is proper according to their teachings and practices. Christianity has not been left out! (That is not necessarily an argument you made, however it has come up in the comments, so I thought I’d include it). If I had to guess, I’d say abstinence only forms of sex ed will be brought up.

                  “God, Love, and Passion: Fishbowl Conversation by Spiritual Life. Sit down with Prof Wendy Doniger, Rabbi and editor of The Passionate Torah Danya Ruttenberg, and
                  author of Love, InshAllah Nura Maznavi.”
                  Another God-friendly event! A Rabbi is leading the conversation, but since we share a whole testament, I’m sure we can agree on most things pertaining to sex.

                  “Anal 101. Nervous? Students discuss the logistics and pleasures of anal sex, and answer questions from the audience. Learn, or give your input on, prep, protection, barebacking, etc for men and women.”
                  Talking about logistics, prep, and protection… all very sex-ed

                  “Massage Workshop. We’re having a workshop, with no happy ending jokes. Come with or a without partner, and learn Swedish-esque techniques to target tension and knots. Relax for your midterm rush.”
                  Okay, I’ll give you this one. This has nothing to do with sex.

                  “Consent for All Flavors: Communicating in Relationships. A panel of kinky, gay, straight, poly-amorous, and asexual students discuss consent as a dynamic part of relationships, friendships, and life.”
                  Consent is an important part of life and ethics, and is something taught in sex ed.

                  “Sex Work 101. Guests from the Sex Workers Outreach Project of Chicago address stereotypes, sociological research, history, legalities, and trends of the sex trade. This covers sex work in the US and other countries.”
                  I venture to guess that this one was a red flag. However, it seems like a discussion about prostitution as a thing throughout history instead of how to become a prostitute or advocating prostitution.

                  ““The Nature of Sex” How animals mate is incredibly diverse. From the sea horse hypnotic underwater ballet to the rodent who copulates until he literally drops dead, take a closer look at the primal instinct.”
                  Sex ed for animals. Science uses animals as a way of studying and explaining human behavior, so this makes sense.

                  “Rope-Tying Demonstration. Join members of Risk-Aware Consensual Kink in creating knots, tying up their partner,and discussing consent and safety in play. This workshop is for all who are curious.”
                  Consent and safety, important things to know should you not be of the Christian faith and wish to try something different. It’s also run by Risk-Aware Consensual Kink, a group based around education about consent and the risks of non-normative sex.

                  “Sex Ed for Kids: with the Secular Alliance. How do we talk about sex and its related concepts of choice, gender, and desire to our kindergartners? Our teenagers? Workshop ideas to teach kids and learn yourself.”
                  How do we address sex ed with kids? If the kids I babysat for in high school ever asked me where babies came from, I’d have no idea what to tell them, so this should be helpful.

                  I could post more, but I’ve taken up enough space already. From these descriptions, all I can see is education about sex whether it be about safety, ethics, or just how to talk about it (except for that massage workshop, that one must be just for fun). Now, if one goes to one of these workshops or classes and experiences something there that they find not to be fitting with sex ed, alright. However, if we’re just working off of the descriptions posted on the website, I do not see any strong evidence suggesting that it’s not an education based event. If you have an experience that leads you to believe otherwise, feel free to share, however, from the information given I do not believe you can in all honesty declare Uchicago Sex week to not be about sex ed.

                • http://profile.yahoo.com/44F4AB4VSCTOCHBMBG4ZWWD5OU Laurel

                  If you don’t see that it is not a proper event or venue then we have nothing left to discuss. If you can’t see what you felt the need to post to piss me off and cram in my face is not only extremely rude to me and others on this board then we have nothing left to talk about.

                  Funny thing is liberals scream every epithet in the world when someone says something they dislike up to and including racism, civil rights violations, etc. Yet you post without consideration without manners. You are a disgusting individual. If your intent was to win over or change my thinking you failed. Good luck in the world with that kind of game plan you have got there.

                  The bottom line here is you are dysfunctional both sexually and mentally. Strange that people have managed to procreate for thousands of years without these classes. And if kids you babysat, God forbid, asked you that question it is your opportunity to be clever and an upright adult by giving them a nondescript answer, but that requires talent, or you do what most people do and tell them that is a question for Mom and Dad.

                  And when you get done discussing the logistics and pleasures of anal sex go discuss with a medical health professional what happens to the anal cavity when it is repeatedly used for something it isn’t designed for.

                  One last thing…I noticed out of all the posts that you could of responded to you picked mine and it is much more benign than most on here. Perhaps it is because I hit center mass. Now please do attend all of those courses but know this…this country is about to go bankrupt so when you are totally disabled from your being dysfunctional you won’t get any support.

                • BenTheJew

                  Your post is more benign than most on here? And you’re the one who called her “dysfunctional both sexually and mentally”?

                  I blatantly disagree with you, both in your assessment and your sentiment.

                  The woman is clearly not dysfunctional sexually, as all she wishes to do is learn about sex. Heaven forbid she should want to learn. And she’s clearly not dysfunctional mentally, as she was capable of formulating arguments that didn’t revolve entirely around ad hominem arguments, and cited factually accurate evidence. For example, she cited the sex week website, and made the (accurate) claim that the event is not a publicly funded one.

                  You, by contrast, have not brought up a shred of factual evidence, instead relying on ad hominem arguments. Just in case you don’t understand Latin, or lack the capacity to do a basic google search, for fear it might offend your sensibilities, an ad hominem argument is one made personally against an opponent, rather than their argument. In employing an ad hominem argument, one seeks to discredit their opponent rather than actually disprove their argument.

                  Secondly. If, in fact she did respond to you specifically because your post is “one of the more benign ones here”, that’s only because the overwhelming majority of this blog is devoted to spewing hatred at anything and everything that remotely offends them, without even the slightest piece of evidence to back them up, whereas your posts were devoted to spewing hatred at anything and everything that remotely offends you, with the aid of factually incorrect evidence. I encourage you to scroll down to “ReadyForAct2″s post. It’s the second to last comment at this current moment. While clearly meant for the argument I’m having with PuritanD71 above, the sentiment is still relevant.

                • http://profile.yahoo.com/44F4AB4VSCTOCHBMBG4ZWWD5OU Laurel

                  Oh joy yet another troll. Did she cry in her cornflakes? Tears on her pillow? No evidence given is factually incorrect and furthermore as you idiotic progressives so often tell us we have a right to be offended and to our opinions. Oh wait…that is only the left that has that right. I forgot that hypocrite is your middle name. Take note she posted all the evidence needed.

                  Yes your sex ed program is offensive and yes it gets federal dollars. If even one student at that school gets a federally funded student loan then you are getting federal dollars. That is a fact. Those dollars turn the lights on and pay the bills. See the post below mine. It gives another example of federal dollars. I’m sure there is more.

                  And it seems that you are guilty of what you accuse Ben the Jew: “that’s only because the overwhelming majority of this blog is devoted to spewing hatred at anything and everything that remotely offends them,” that is but one example of your own ad hominem. Shall I post more? That is par for the course for progressives. Disagree with a progressive and it’s hatred that then opens the door and makes it open season to spew hatred. I bet you watch a lot of MSNBC.

                  Just as you have a right to defend filth…and thou really doth protest too much, people have a right to call it how they see it and why. History is my facts in evidence. As I stated way up in this thread previously there are numerous studies and books that back me up.

                  And tell little Miss Elli that if she were babysitting my kids and answered any question as to where babies came from I would take her head off and roll it down the street. That is not the job of any sitter.

                  Now if you want to wallow in filth..go right ahead. What I am tired of is paying for your dysfunctional lifestyle through student loans and then the ensuing entitlements that comes from justifying and saving you from that dysfunctional lifestyle. If big government weren’t the answer to every single problem wrought by you dysfunctional morons then I more than likely wouldn’t care. I would raise my exceptional children to compete with you dysfunctional morons directly and on a level playing field and success would be the best measure as it always it.

                  Reality here is there have been so many responses to this thread and what I am saying is because that little voice in the back of your head is telling you that there is a whole lot of truth here and you know it. Really thou doth protest too much and if it really was just a matter of opinion you wouldn’t care what some person/people on the internet thought about it at all. I and others would be readily dismissed but you, Elli, and others have to justify your bad decisions and bad behavior.

                  And in reality if that program was so scholarly and for the good it wouldn’t have the titles it does. True academics let their intellect speak for itself and have no need for gimmicks. People of intelligence don’t fall for gimmicks so I guess that tells us all we need to know about you and others like you.

                  And yes if you need a class to learn about sex that is inherent within you…yeah God made you that way automatically, then you are dysfunctional especially considering we have a society saturated in sex. Now please go and learn the meaning of the word ‘dysfunctional’ because in your rantings you misapplied it. Dysfunctional does not equate to ignorant or even stupid. Perhaps you should go back to English 101 instead of sex ed classes.

                • Elli_B

                  This is going to be the last thing I ever post on this blog, because, honestly, it has reached a point of ridiculousness that I just do not have the patience for. So, victory points to you I guess. Give yourself a pat on the back for running out the “troll” or whatever you want to call me.

                  Look, Laurel, I did not single you out. I did not peruse all the comments, see yours and think, “Aha, this looks like a good person to harass today, let’s make their life hell”. Seriously, I’m not that evil (though I can guess from your opinion of me thus far, you’d beg to differ). I simply saw your post as something that I had the right to comment on, as is granted to me by the constitution- something you quoted earlier.

                  Still, you do bring up a valid point. In comparison to many of the posts here, yours is quite benign. There are people thumping their chests, saying how awful this event is and how we should all burn in hell for what we’re doing. A man even said that the people in power should have their daughters and nieces do live demos. Another person said that Chicago is the center for evil in America. I disagree with them and that is all very hurtful. Truly, it saddens me to know that people think of my university, my city, and my classmates this way. However, that is their opinion, and as you’ve stated before, people are allowed to state their opinions on blogs. It is not my place to tell them that what they believe based on their religion is wrong. They will have their beliefs, and I will have mine. To each their own, as I like to say.

                  You, on the other hand, posted something hateful under the guise of fact. Specifically, you stated that the event was not about sex ed. Now, saying something is a sin or that certain people are evil are opinions. They can be argued on either side based on religious and moral background, usually to no concrete outcome except for each side thinking that they are right. However, you did not say the event was a sin or evil or anything at all subjective. Instead you claimed that the event was not about sex education, something that is objectively false. So, as many of my fellows have done with other comments that got the facts wrong, I set out to bring some truth to the matter.

                  To do this, I brought in evidence that you, yourself cited. I went through what was on the website, which most people had already seen, and attempted to show you how they were all educational. Yes, I did use the words found on the website, however, most were about religion and the filthiest word in any of them was probably “sex”. Still, you claim that that was incredibly rude, making me wonder how you managed to read the article in the first place as it too contained so much of the “filth” you so despise. Also, you linked to the website first, exposing all who dared click it to its horrid contents. I wasn’t being rude, I was being factual and making sure my argument was well fleshed out (no pun intended).

                  Points having been made, you respond, not with counter points or valid questions about my reasoning or even anything about my argument, but with hate. You toss the matter out completely and resort to personal attacks. You call me a disgusting individual, and both sexually and mentally dysfunctional. This is not only extremely counter-productive for you as it is a terrible way to debate, but something that the comment rules say you cannot do: “Comment Policy: Please read our new comment policy before making a comment. In short, please be respectful of others and do not engage in personal attacks. Otherwise we will revoke your comment privileges.” Still, since this is your arena and it’s already been at least 24 hours, I am going to go out on a limb and say no action will be taken. This seems a bit unfair and sad, but I guess since I’m leaving, it doesn’t really matter.

                  Earlier you talked a lot about how it was wrong of me to make assumptions, completely disregarding my previous arguments because of them. Yet here you are doing the exact same thing. You assume that “Sex Ed for Kids” means telling them everything about sex from the get go, when for all you know, it could be about ways of diverting the question until they’re older. You assume that I’m only doing this to piss you personally off when I am not. You assume that I wanted to win you over to my side when really all I wanted was for their to be some facts in this blog instead of hate speech. You assume that “Anal 101″ is going to completely ignore health risks, when again, you have no idea if they will or not. You seem to also assume that I am attending and/or like anal, which is also false as there are just too many germs for me to ever consider it. Seriously, I find it incredibly gross.

                  But what really disgusts me, the thing that gets me most, is that you talk as though you have any knowledge of who I am and how I live my life, giving yourself the authority to call me mentally and sexually unwell. You drop any pretense of discussion and go straight for insults, ones that you cannot back up. You do not know me. You do not know who I am, what I do, or what, if any, kinks or diseases I have. You once more make assumptions; thinking that because I chose to defend this event that I am a heathen and a harlot with more issues then not when for all you know I am a relatively religious girl who is saving her virginity for marriage but who did not want to see her university slandered by misinformation. You have never seen or heard of me having sex and you have not given nor read a psych eval of me. There is no reason for you to think or say those things about me except to push me down and lift yourself up when you realize that there is nothing you can say to change the facts. You even threaten to tear my head off in a hypothetical situation in which I am corrupting your children and predict that I will somehow end up destitute and disabled, frantically begging the country for money, in which case it will look down upon my wretched form and say “no”. Awesome.

                  You are allowed to not like the event, the university, or me. You are allowed to be offended by what you believe is going on behind our doors and in our classrooms. You are allowed to defend your side and think that we are hypocrites. You can even post all these thoughts, feelings, and emotions on blogs all over the internet. You can go out on every forum known to man saying that you hate me and that no one should listen to the filth coming out of my mouth. Seriously, that is your business and your right. However, you cannot make claims that you cannot back up. Well, actually, scratch that. You can make whatever claim you want to, but if you cannot back it up, then you cannot be surprised when someone with facts comes to dispute you. And you certainly cannot resort to petty insults when your claims get knocked down by truth. Really, as you said to me: good luck in the world with that kind of game plan you have got there.

                  Oh, one last thing. Regardless if this event or the venue is “proper” or not, it is still about sex education. Think what you want, but the facts have not changed.

                  That is all.

                • http://profile.yahoo.com/44F4AB4VSCTOCHBMBG4ZWWD5OU Laurel

                  Whoa is me Elli? Really? You repeatedly came on this site to fan flames and now you are playing the victim?! That really isn’t worthy of you.

                  People do think of your city, university, and classmates that way because of the behavior that comes out of your city, university and the posts your classmates put up here. Our impressions are what YOU are projecting to the world and what YOUR city and university produce. I get heat about California and San Francisco and while it is annoying it isn’t without merit either. Chicago is one of the most corrupt cities in America. That is fact. You guys have yet another congressman and alderman going to jail. I mean really I could shut down this blog with bona fide corruption facts and dysfunction just about Chicago alone.

                  Much of the opinions on this site are based in snark. You are naive if you really think that someone wants their daughters to demonstrate…but that snark has a point to it. Much of what comes out of progressive Chicago is invective vitriolic hate and lies. So really when someone posts some snark I no longer take much notice. The crowd that you run with that comprises your city is so guilty of what you accuse that my husband blatantly laughed. In reality what is attempted with that kind of invective is two things. Silence out of embarrassment or shame, or conformity. The person who said what they did about those ‘daughters’ was in a snarky way saying live by the rules and in the society that you impose. You want to poison the well…THEN DRINK FROM IT YOURSELF. GO FIRST. Your sex education classes (I use that term loosely) are poisoning the well.

                  Here is another lesson for you to learn. Learn it now and learn it well. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn’t quantify it as hateful. Your progressive skin is much too thin. If that event was about education, serious education, the titles of the classes alone wouldn’t seek to shock. But it isn’t about sex education, what it really is about is perverting the culture. A wider agenda is at play there. A dysfunctional society is a much more dependent society. It’s that simple. You assume because you bring religion into it that makes it A-ok. It doesn’t. Do you really think churches can’t be perverted? Half the churches in America are perverted. they are the reason that many like myself find spirituality without organized religion. The social justice movement has ruined religion in the world actually. But once again you brought religion into it based upon a stereotype you formulated about me that requires assumption.

                  As to the website, by linking to it I gave people a choice that you did not. As to reading it…another assumption on your part.. I did read it and have read much worse. How else could I know whether is was filth or not if I hadn’t read it?

                  Once again I get the “You hate me!” because I disagreed with you. First of all I don’t hate…I dislike but not hate. But the reality is people who scream that have no response and no intellectual argument. They seek to silence. I never ever resorted to a personal attack on you. Did I say “Your ugly and your mother dresses you funny”? Nope. I made a statement of fact based upon study and experience. If you aren’t sexually dysfunctional you will be. See you keep assuming I disagree with you because I don’t understand and know nothing about the topic. WRONG! I have studied this in depth. There is a reason I am able to punch your buttons repeatedly.

                  I called you disgusting because you lack simple manners. There was absolutely no need to post what you did. Quit lying about your motives for doing so. Please don’t go through life thinking that shocking is intellect. That has been happening in Western Civilization for about 150 years. The comment policy doesn’t apply because disagreeing with someone isn’t considered hateful, and really your crocodile tears have no value. Labeling someone dysfunctional (and I did it with an ‘if’) also isn’t hate speech. I told you exactly why and what would make you dysfunctional. That is an observation, not hate speech.

                  Now on to the rest of your diatribe. So let me get this straight…you make a whole lot of assumptions then complain when I make an observation about you? Really?! My dear, I know you want to presume I am an uneducated hick but I assure you otherwise. My education coupled with life experience tells me a lot about who you are, your world view, and life lens just from what you have posted. Does it tell me everything? No but it does tell me what is pertinent to this topic. My education and experience tell me I hit the target and that you do care a great deal. Your paragraphs started as abject curiosity, then to peeved, then to annoyed, then to flat out angry. You came back because you are ticked! I am very good at what I do.

                  I never, ever said you are a heathen, harlot, or any such nonsense, and you then prefaced that little rant with an accusation based in assumption. Why did you leave out trollop? If you are going to invent stuff go all the way. No half measures. Please tell me you are more intelligent than that. I think your conscience is tickling you. I’m ignoring the rest of that rant in your paragraph because I never ever said nor implied any such thing.

                  If you are offended then you have a long row to hoe in life. I think something else is bothering you, and my dear I neither like nor dislike you but I don’t need to know you to see and know what creates dysfunction and what that brings. Please show me where I said I hate you? How old are you? Your devolving rant is that of teenager. Also I can and did back up those claims. Take a look around you! You are having sex ed week why? Because you guys think people are sexually dysfunctional and need the education. That is the purpose. I am pointing out you are making that dysfunction worse but also misinforming people as well…such as your anal sex course that encourages anal sex. The fact that you guys are having classes, and those classes aren’t new, coupled with the current trends in society is proof enough. As I said if you need these classes you are dysfunctional and I will add those classes won’t help. You never knocked my claims down with any truth. Quite the contrary.

                  Now as to my world. It’s absolutely great. I am successful. My husband is successful. My adult children are successful. See there is a basic formula for success that really is universal and all of the denying of it in the world won’t change it. Now up above this post are some links posted that show the other side, they are a beginning if you truly want to be educated. I recommend all of Dr. Miriam Grossman works for starters. Unlike you I study both sides before formulating an opinion. That is what people of intellect and wisdom do.

                  I hope your silly rant made you feel better! P.S. Learn the difference between ‘infer’ and ‘confer’. I did not confer anything but you did do a good job of inferring everything.

      • KenInMontana

        “In 2008, the University received (largely from the federal government) and spent $423.7 million on scientific research.[6]”

        Funny thing though, the link leads to “scrubbed” page; http://news.uchicago.edu/more/facts.php

        Nothing to see here just the “Chicago way”.

  • NYGino

    I’m suggesting that the University of Chicago’s Administration, the Dean, Provost, President, Chancellor and all faculty put their money where their mouth is and have their daughters and nieces involved in live demonstrations. Think those progressives would go for that? Would kind of add credence to their agendas.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/EMOZLQJ5SUMFGWE4S2YCTQWXCM Michael Steffen

      Well, I don’t presume to speak for all progressives, but I’ll speak for myself: no, I wouldn’t go for that unless the daughters and nieces were willing to participate in these live demonstrations of their own accord. And no, you aren’t justified in assuming that just because someone consents to some morally contested sexual practice, she (or he, I should say, but you decided to make this about women) would consent to any practice. You are even less justified in assuming that just because a woman’s parent, aunt or uncle consents to some morally contested sexual practice, she would consent to any practice. You are even less justified in assuming that just because a woman’s parent, aunt, or uncle does not shut down hir students’ attempts to have open conversations about morally contested sexual practices, she would consent to any practice.

      As a progressive, I go for the right of all individuals to live their lives on their own terms, and that means that they not only have the right to engage in whatever sexual acts they want to, but also to *not* engage in sexual acts they don’t want to. And yes, to Conniption Fitz (who commented, “The liberal left think anything goes – except orthodox, traditional Christianity and self-control…aka abstinence”), this includes the right of orthodox, traditional Christians and anyone who prefers abstinence to not engage in acts that go against their personal standards. Sending this message is what Sex Week is about.

      Consent determines ethical standing. It’s not a hard concept to grasp, so please don’t ignore it to misrepresent our values.

      • NYGino

        “Consent determines ethical standing.”
        Excuse me but this is a hard concept for me to grasp. Are you saying that if you consent (give yourself permission) to do something it therefore becomes ethical? Are we to believe the basics of legality, morality and civility can be overridden and ignored just by ‘giving ourselves permission’?

        Where in my post did I give the impression that I would assume if a person did something they would do anything?

        You’re putting a lot of words in my mouth that just aren’t there my friend.

        • Elli_B

          Let’s look at what your original post said. You stated that in your opinion the “the University of Chicago’s Administration, the Dean, Provost, President, Chancellor and all faculty put their money where their mouth is and have their daughters and nieces involved in live demonstrations.”

          This implies that because the University decided to not discriminate against the students’ decision to have an education-based sex week (this is a STUDENT run event paid for by funds that they worked to acquire), that they should also be willing to hold live sex demonstrations involving their female family members. In other words, you said that because the university did one thing that pertains to sex, they should do anything that pertains to sex in order to make their decisions credible. So it seems like you were saying that if a person did something sexual, that they would do anything sexual, for if they didn’t they would be hypocrites with no “credence to their agendas”.

          Your comment also ignored the consent of these females, implying that their male counterparts could MAKE their daughters and nieces do these things regardless of whether the women wanted to or not. If they did not consent, that would be rape and it is not something that we stand for. Also, you are misunderstanding. Yes, just because I give myself permission to do something, that doesn’t make it ethical. However, if I give consent to someone else to do something to me, that’s a whole ‘nother story. For example, if I give myself permission to take my boyfriend’s credit card to buy myself snacks, that’s theft. However, if my boyfriend gave me permission beforehand to use his card, then it’s not theft as long as I remain within the boundaries of his consent. This is how consent affects ethics. Sure, there will always be lines, with some things determined to be just too awful for anyone to ever consent to while being of sound mind, but consent can and does have a role in ethics.

          I know your heart is in a good place, but please try to see both sides of the argument, and please do not condemn our wonderful faculty and staff, as well as their daughters and nieces, for something that they really have no part in. Again, this is a STUDENT run event at a private university.

          • NYGino

            “…have their daughters and nieces in live demonstrations.” I see your point on this phrasing. It does not imply the consent of the daughters and nieces, rather the initiation and decision of the parent, uncle or aunt without the input of the student. That, we would all agree, would be wrong.

            I should have asked how they would feel seeing their daughters and nieces participating in these live demonstrations. I would venture to say not very comfortable at all. As would most of the parents if they were aware of this “forward” thinking event and their daughter’s participation.

            I’m not sure many of them would be enthusiastic knowing their son’s and daughter’s time at school is being taken up learning to engage in and master the finer points of oral and anal sex.

            As for your plea to not condemn the faculty because this is a student run event it seems like you are abdicating all responsibility and hiding behind the student body when it is the faculty that sets the tone and goals of the institution. Or should be.

            • http://profile.yahoo.com/EMOZLQJ5SUMFGWE4S2YCTQWXCM Michael Steffen

              “Excuse me but this is a hard concept for me to grasp. Are you saying that if you consent (give yourself permission) to do something it therefore becomes ethical? Are we to believe the basics of legality, morality and civility can be overridden and ignored just by ‘giving ourselves permission’?”

              Forgive me, I should have been more clear. When I said consent determines ethical status, I was talking in particular about sex. By this I mean that I don’t think that (for example) anal sex is morally problematic unless one of the parties in this act doesn’t give permission to the other(s). Forgive me for not being more clear.

              As to your point about my misrepresenting your opinion, I think you and Elli_B handled that. I am glad you agree that no one has the right to force someone else to participate in a sexual act he/she does not consent to. Your comment concerned me since it seemed so reminiscent of Rush Limbaugh’s “Sandra Fluke thinks birth control should be covered – well since she’s such a slut why don’t we make her videotape herself having sex and post it online?!”, an attitude which is absolutely not acceptable.

            • Elli_B

              … I’m not abdicating anything. I’m a student, not faculty or staff in any way shape or form, nor am I hiding behind anything. I, a student, truly believe that this is not the result of anything but our (the students) labors.
              The faculty does set a tone. It sets the tone of inquiry and discussion, a readiness to hear all sides of any argument and make a decision from there. They encourage us to seek out information and act as well-informed individuals in a society that values individualism. None of those traits are wrong. Blame us, the students, for choosing to expand this need for knowledge and discussion into the realm of sex, not our professors who merely wish to imbue us with all the knowledge they can give in their respective fields.

  • NYGino

    We used to lead the world in space exploration, now we lead the world in anal exploration.

    • 3seven77

      No, no! Not that Uranus!!!!Eleventy!!!!!

    • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

      OY NY!

      • NYGino

        Vey ABC. Hope I didn’t offend.

        • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

          Never NY. It’s the rest of society these days that offends. You and others here are like a pocket of fresh air. (((())))s

          • NYGino

            I’m pretty sure I got into a seminar discussion with some of the U of Chicago faculty, see above. With Michael Steffen and Elli_B. Liberalism and academia, two sides of the same coin.

            • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

              You did well NY. I couldn’t debate on this thread at all. I just skimmed to make sure folks were behaving. I had my own troll issues last night on the Rubio speech thread. Since then, I’ve been quiet. One of those weeks I guess. I miss the world that I grew up in. :-(

              • NYGino

                See my east coast RX coming at you right about now.

                • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

                  I just did. Gonna go here in a minute. I’ll be back hopefully refreshed in a little while. You’re sweet NY. I am so blessed by you.

            • Elli_B

              I’ve stated this above, but I am a student. An undergraduate student with no record of employment by the university.

              I’m sorry you didn’t enjoy the discussion. Perhaps if I were a professor, I could have been more engaging.

      • NYGino

        Vey ABC. Hope I didn’t offend.

  • http://www.facebook.com/alex.bury.52 Alex Bury

    You know, I used to think Michigan was an annoying place to live. But then I hear stuff like this and I just think ” Thank You Jesus I don’t live in Chicago.”

  • Pyrran

    Insanity is on the rise.

    • TexasPGRRider

      I took the liberty of posting the link for B.O.`s BS Bingo card on the Rubio thread. Thanks Again…KILLER XLNT !!!!

  • T4Ut

    SICK! SICK!! SICK!!!

  • Constitution Lover(underconsta

    I cannot fathom who in their minds think that these things are ok for schools/kids. I don’t care what age actually, these private bedroom issues needs to be kept personal and not on the world stage and shoved down peoples throats (no pun intended). We need our Lords help so badly in this world, I am actually so ashamed for these things to be occurring, regardless of the fact I have nothing to do with the events themselves, but to be in a world that has these things continuously go on all around. The world needs more GOD in it and around it, not to be removed from everything from schools on to everything nowadays. As I’ve said before in a previous post, feels like we are Sodom and Gomorrah. Lord please hear our prayers.

  • TexasPGRRider

    So, are these courses good for PE (physical education) credit towards a degree or what ???

    • 57thunderbird

      I pray for our country regularly.I ask that the Lord would bring about a revival and an awakening.Please Father save us.

  • http://onthemark1.blogspot.com/ On The Mark

    This is one of the many destructive results of having education provided by government.

    • UchiTaisho

      University of Chicago is a private institution.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZVCGRG62NAGQXJ6ZNE4JCTVVTU Ray

    From Prager’s program today. “The problem with our country is actions are not based on MORALS but on FEELINGS.”

  • sjmom

    Well, its the University of CHICAGO…………what did ya expect????? Not only the most violent city but now the most perverse.

  • RestlessLegs

    Years ago, during “gay pride” week on our campus, a guy used to protest it each year by walking around with a sign on his back. It showed an arrow pointing to his behind and read, “Exit point, not an entry point.” He was not only morally correct, but medically correct. Anal sex is unnatural and unhealthy, plain and simple. It doesn’t matter if you’re wearing “protection.” You are putting yourself in contact with another person’s fecal matter. It’s disgusting. Also, the anus and rectum are simply not designed for the push and pull of sexual activity. I just read an excellent article by a proctologist who has treated many homosexuals for a wide variety of diseases and infections that occurred from anal sex, an activity which he says “easily breaks down, abrades or injures the tissues of the rectum.” How can a university actively promote activities that are proven to be medically unhealthy?

    • partyghost

      anal sex has some risks, but it sure as hell is fun.

  • deeme

    I miss the days when what happened in the bedroom stayed there..SAdly these people are so far gone and they don’t know it..the satistics on STD’s are hard to believe..

    • chanam

      You’re right, it’s really sad that people are getting STD’s without proper instruction. That’s why Sex Week is so focused on getting people the information they need!

      • CBDenver

        Yeah, people should be properly instructed first before they go out and get their STDs.

        • chanam

          Agreed! But not everyone is, so it’s important to teach them whenever we have the opportunity.

    • deeme

      It’s at 50 percent so laugh it up..you have a one in two chance of being infected..

  • TLaMana

    I don’t find anything wrong with this since they will all be adults over the age of 18.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwWW2DQS_DU Booker T.(D – Engel’s Estates)

    That’s funny. I thought kindergarteners were more interested in hula hoops, checkers and gameboys (I think they call them DS’s now.) We are in trouble.

  • RACK

    There look to be some religion based events that you all might approve of. :)

    • CBDenver

      Oh, are they going to teach this in the “religion based events”

      “For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication: For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness.”
      (1 Thessalonians 4:3,7)

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=684089563 Jordan Sun

        Actually, yeah. They will be bringing up relevant bible quotes and discussing their role in modern day society. The speakers are also reverends/rabbis/etc., i.e.-leaders in their spiritual fields. Respected ones.

        • bjohnson55

          “They will be bringing up relevant bible quotes and discussing their role in modern day society.” There is always the attempt to make GOD fit what we want him to fit as in your comment “Modern day society.” God and the Bible do not change, what is written is GOD’s Word, that Word is not to be changed and is as relevant today as the day it was written. We are the ones who change and we pout and throw fits like little spoiled children when the Word inconveniences our wants and desires. I have only one thing to say about that, tough, grow-up, straighten up, fly right, hit the books, work hard, get good grades and get a job. Quit filling your life with this nonsense and work on becoming a responsible adult. I guess that was more than one thing huh. ;-)

          • RACK

            Do you eat pork of any sort? Shave? Have pierced ears or other parts? Do you find the idea of rape reprehensible? What about Slavery? Murder? The Bible condones the last three and prohibits the first three.

            I’m guessing that you don’t kill people the bible would consider a “witch”. I am pretty sure that you don’t own slaves. And I would hope that you don’t agree with raping a woman to make her your wife.
            Just like I bet you find bacon, or pulled pork, or ribs tasty. Can appreciate a clean shaven man and think some people look good with ear piercings.

            Trying to say that modern Christians do or can follow the exact rules in the Christian Bible is just lying. (Another sin)

            • bjohnson55

              Now we go down the path of the silly who have not read the Bible to understand exactly what Jesus died for on the cross. Sad really that you would take the time to spew such venom but not take the time to actually read the Bible for if you had taken the time you would know what you just typed is completely wrong and projected out of ignorance. Real Eyes, Realize, Real Lies, please read the Bible.

              • RACK

                I have read it. I used to quite a pious little Christian. Then I grew up, graduated from my kid’s Bible to the real thing. And I read it. And it was a good story. Drama, action, love, hate, war, etc, I was fascinated. But I didn’t believe it. I still read it from time to time, but I also read Harry Potter and I don’t believe in Hogwarts.

                What I type took the literal interpretations of the Bible and apply them to our modern world. The same thing you are doing. You just don’t like the parts that I picked.
                Try one from Luke 6
                “But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked”

                • bjohnson55

                  Then let me lend you this and you can do with it as you will. Jesus is waiting patiently for you to get over your anger, angst, hand wringing, pouting whatever earthly and human emotional issue you have to deal with and is waiting at the door for the moment you reach out and accept him as your savior. When and if you do is a matter of your free will and would have absolutely no value if there wasn’t such a thing as free will. When you do reach out and are baptized in his name there will be a huge celebration in Heaven as on earth because you are valued highly by the One who created the entire universe. Now just a small amount of advice which I hope you heed; blaspheming God and his word will earn you no favors in this world or the next, so please be very very cautious when refer to God and his word.

                • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

                  Well done bjohnson. Very well done brother. :-)

                • http://profile.yahoo.com/44F4AB4VSCTOCHBMBG4ZWWD5OU Laurel

                  BRAVO!

              • JG

                Sorry Johnson, you’re sounding like some sort of apologist liberal rewriting the Bible as though God’s word can be denied. The heathen was right: The Bible does condone slavery. I agree with everything else you’ve said, but I cannot sit idly by as you call the word of God “Real Lies”.

                Leviticus 25:44-45 And as for your male and female slaves whom you may have—from the nations that are around you, from them you may buy male and female slaves. Moreover you may buy the children of the strangers who dwell among you, and their families who are with you, which they beget in your land; and they shall become your property.

                There is nothing wrong with slavery, so long as its not God’s children being enslaved. The ethics of this may have changed along with the tempestual social systems we suffer within, BUT DO NOT LET THIS CHANGE YOUR MORALS!! I call unto you: Morals are spiritual and do not change. Neither does the Bible. We need not defend it to the heathens. Most of all, we must not deny God’s word just because it has fallen out of fashion.

                But BE CAREFUL, I’m writing this from prison because 2 of my slaves got away and these liberal fudge packers gave em a right to a translator so they were able to snitch on me to the police. I say, if they do not know English, they aren’t American, so I may buy their children. I only did what God said. And they would have me swear on His Bible as they accuse me of wrongdoing! What a traitorous, cowardly, fallen state of affairs.

                • bjohnson55

                  Society’s ethics have changed since the writing of the Bible but do you really believe Jesus’s morals were any different then as his morals are today, I don’t think so? The Bible along with being the word of GOD can also be seen as a historical record of the society Jesus lived in those times. Slavery was practiced back then and it was recorded in the Bible, just because there are stories and references to slaves in those times in the Bible does not mean we all should run out and get ourselves some slaves. Jesus would be my example to fall back on in this situation and I have to ask; how many slaves did Jesus own, hmmm? I don’t see that as an attempt to rewrite the Bible and I think it is too bad you would think that. Because of my morals I will however never find myself in the position of thinking I have the right to own another human being. Sounds to me you still may have a lot of reconciliation of basic morals in your future and have been caught up where quite a few folks are stumbling today and that is the confusion between morals and ethics. Ownership of slaves is a societal ethics issue and not a spiritual moral issue. I would look to Jesus as THE example and attempt to walk in his foot prints.

                • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

                  I believe he’s a troll b. I’ve been cleaning up his stuff half the night.

                • bjohnson55

                  Thanks for your diligence. Please feel free to jump in I value your input.

                • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

                  You’re welcome! :-) Thank you.

              • http://profile.yahoo.com/44F4AB4VSCTOCHBMBG4ZWWD5OU Laurel

                What you just received from RACK is the standard progressive response to discredit the Bible and Christians. I’m sure you heard Hollywood espouse it quite a bit.

                • bjohnson55

                  Yes I saw what RACK was attempting and I think I walked him away from that tactic. This whole subject opened up a great conversation. Did you see the comments from BenTheJew? Then PuritanD71? I loved it, even the possibility of helping the door swing a little wider for someone to accept Jesus as their Savior is such a rush and the possibility of one of those folks being one of his beloved Jewish folks is even more exciting.

                • http://profile.yahoo.com/44F4AB4VSCTOCHBMBG4ZWWD5OU Laurel

                  Yes I did. I also saved them for my own personal perusal. Yours too. I had to sit on myself to not respond but the reading was fascinating.

          • BenTheJew

            “God and the Bible do not change, what is written is GOD’s Word, that Word is not to be changed and is as relevant today as the day it was written.”

            I’m sorry. I just wanted to point out, as a Jew, that your entire bible is based on the idea that you can pick and choose the pieces of MY Bible that are “correct”, and throw out anything that you don’t like. Homosexuality is a sin, but eating pork is just fine. Rape and slavery are wrong, but wearing clothes made of nylon and cotton at the same time is just fine.

            Even though God rested on the SEVENTH day, i.e. Saturday, THE SABBATH DAY (trust me, I know. I sing the relevant verse every Friday for the kiddush), you decided to change it to Sunday.

            “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor, and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, your male servant, or your female servant, or your livestock, or the sojourner who is within your gates. For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.”
            — Exodus 20:8-11
            The TEN COMMANDMENTS! You can’t get much closer to the direct word of God than those, can you? Keep and remember the Sabbath day. Great job.

            God specifically commanded that Abraham and all of his household servants, and all of his descendents get circumcised, but this gets thrown out as well! Why? Because in the early days of Christianity, there was much conflict over whether it should be a subsect of Judaism (meaning to become Christian you would have to become Jewish first), or a religion in its own right (meaning you could skip Judaism entirely), and it was decided that it would be easier to convince the pagans to convert to Christianity when you didn’t require them to cut off part of their penis.
            Seriously, this post completely ignores the entire idea of dogma. Isn’t that exactly why Catholicism has a Pope? To make sure that the religion stays relevant and functional in the face of changing times? Furthermore, didn’t the leaders of the early Catholic Church regularly hold councils to decide what was to be considered “canon” and what was not? i.e. the divinity of Christ, the validity of the Trinity, and even whether certain books counted, such as the Gospel of Judas?

            • http://twitter.com/PuritanD71 PuritanD71

              Being Jewish, myself, I must state that you error greatly in your understanding of Christianity and the Torah. If you knew your “Bible”, you would acknowledge that Yeshua is the Messiah, fulfilling all prophecies found in the Law and Prophets.

              Jews were the first Yeshua followers and they were the ones who understood that the Mosaic covenant is no longer in effect, but set aside with the New Covenant of Jeremiah 31. I would encourage you to read Jeremiah 31 and Isaiah 50 – 56. I will pray that YHWY will open your eyes and you will see that Yeshua is the Messiah.

              • BenTheJew

                If you’re Puritan, as is suggested by your username, you can’t be Jewish. The two are mutually exclusive.

                Also, by definition, Jews do not acknowledge Yeshua as the Messiah. Yes, his followers were Jews at first. But right around the point where they declared him to be the Messiah, they stopped being Jewish.

                Let’s go through this one point at a time.

                What is the Messiah supposed to do?
                For one thing, he’s supposed to bring about world peace.
                “They shall beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks; nation will not lift sword against nation and they will no longer study warfare.” (Isaiah 2:4)
                And yet now many wars have there been since the Crucifixion?

                Secondly, where was the Messiah supposed to be born? The city of David. While Bethlehem is supposedly where David was born, the City of David refers to Jerusalem.

                Next, it is specified that the Messiah will be descended from King David on his father’s side. This is rendered directly impossible by the claim that Jesus is the son of God and a woman. You will make the claim that Joseph is a descendent of King David, but that’s a cop out. It is clear that the bloodline is the important part, and the bloodline doesn’t continue from Joseph to Jesus. If anything, James has a far better claim to being the Messiah.

                Yes, there are Jews for Jesus, but it is accepted by every other sect of Judaism that I know of that Jews for Jesus are not true Jews. And this isn’t a “No True Scotsman” argument. By accepting Jesus, they literally exclude themselves from being considered Jews.

                • http://twitter.com/PuritanD71 PuritanD71

                  Sorry, but please tell me when Peter or Paul stop being a Jew. Where is that in Scripture? You do not seem to understand that one does not stop being a Jew when they follow Yeshua. Many a Jew followed false Messiahs without losing their Jewishness but when we follow the real one we lose it. That makes no sense. Yes, I can be a Puritan and a Jew. You need to first understand what Puritanism is, to see it fit. By rejecting Yeshua, you reject the Scriptures, rejecting God and His word.

                  You err in regard to the City of David. Micah 5:2 clearly states that the Messiah is to be born in Bethlehem. Reread your Scriptures.

                  I am willing to continue forward with you, but will wait for your answer from my previous comment regarding Jer. 31 and Isaiah 50-56.

                • BenTheJew

                  Peter and Paul stopped being Jewish when they began worshiping a man who, as I have said, did none of the things the Messiah is supposed to do. Just as the followers of Bar Kokhba lost their way, and the followers of Shabbetai Tzvi.

                  And I did read Isaiah 50-56, and Jeremiah 31. And I’m going to let people who are far more eloquent and knowledgeable about the rest of the bible do the talking for me, rather than ramble for 10 paragraphs and basically quote them.
                  See:
                  http://www.jewsforjudaism.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=85:is-jeremiahs-qnew-covenantq-jeremiah-3131-34-a-prophecy-fulfilled-by-the-new-testament&catid=51:jeremiah&Itemid=493
                  and
                  http://jewsforjudaism.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=313:isaiah

                • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

                  How did the first Jewish Christians stop being Jewish? How is it that Yeshua was born in the direct lineage of David, observed all Jewish festivals, Holy days and observances, as did the other Jews who followed Him, but stopped being Jewish? They still had their Jewish heritage, and blood. One does not stop being Jewish when they follow Messiah.
                  The Bloodline of the mother is what carries on the Jewish lineage- and Mary was a decedent of David. Jesus fulfills every prophecy made in the Old Testament. I hope you will consider looking up all of the Messianic prophecies in the Old, and compare them with Jesus’ life, death and resurrection.
                  Just as He fulfilled the old prophecies of His first coming, as the suffering servant, He will also fulfill the rest of them when He comes as the Lion of Judah. The Isaiah prophecy which you refer to above hasn’t come to pass yet.

                • BenTheJew

                  They stopped being Jewish when they accepted a false Messiah.

                  They stopped being Jews right about the time when Paul declared that belief in Jesus was the only part that mattered. Up until then, Christian Jews maintained the belief that Jesus was the Messiah, but that observance of the Torah was still a necessity.

                  When Paul decided that the only important part was acceptance of Jesus, and that Torah observance was irrelevant was the moment when they stopped being Jews.

                • http://twitter.com/PuritanD71 PuritanD71

                  Ben,

                  Where does the Scriptures state what you are suggesting? You have no Scriptural support for such a declaration as to who is and who isn’t Jewish. The idea behind Jeremiah 31:31 is that if God is going to have a new covenant, then the old is replaced, discarded. That old covenant is the Mosaic covenant, the one in which the Torah is found. The old is replaced with a better covenant, the new one.

                  Do you acknowledge that the Messiah’s birth was in Bethlehem just as the Scriptures foretold?

                  Here is another question for you. Why did Jews pick up stones to kill Yeshua?

                  Your portrait of what was decided is in error on top of the fact that Paul did not make any decision but the council of Jerusalem that included all who followed the only Jew that was able to follow the Law perfectly.

                • BenTheJew

                  You claim that the idea of Jeremiah 31:31 is that a new covenant replaces the old one. But you neglect Jeremiah 31:29-30:
                  “In those days people will no longer say,
                  ‘The parents have eaten sour grapes,
                  and the children’s teeth are set on edge.’ Instead, everyone will die for their own sin; whoever eats sour grapes—their own teeth will be set on edge.”

                  Specifically: “EVERYONE WILL DIE FOR THEIR OWN SIN”. This directly contradicts the basic idea of Jesus dying for my sins, your sins, or ANYONE’S sins apart from his own.

                  Once we take that into account, the claim that the Mosaic covenant is somehow overwritten is further undermined by what comes next.
                  “I will put my law in their minds
                  and write it on their hearts.
                  I will be their God,” – J 31:33.
                  If you’ll look at the Hebrew (which I did), the specific phrasing is (transliterating to the best of my abilities) “Natati et-torahti bekirbahm”. Literally “I will put my TORAH in their inward-parts”.

                  That, in conjunction with the fact that God has renewed his covenant many, many times with the Jewish people, makes it hard for me to believe your claim that Jeremiah’s prophesied covenant in any way overwrites or nullifies the previous ones, or even that it refers to Jesus.

                • http://twitter.com/PuritanD71 PuritanD71

                  Sorry, but there is no reply button on your last comment. I do see that you refrain from answering the other three questions. I will restate them for you: 1) What Scriptural support do you have in declaring who is and who isn’t a Jew? 2) Do you acknowledge taht the Messiah’s birth was in Bethlehem just as the Scriptures foretold? 3) Why did fellow Jews pick up stones to kill Yeshua?

                  Now that is out of the way, lets look at Jeremiah 31, specifically “”Behold, the days are coming, declares the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, 32 not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the LORD.
                  33 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people. (Jer 31:31-33 ESV).

                  What surprised me about this is that you skipped verse 32, why? Does it not fit with your arguments? Notice that it says that this covenant that YHWY is giving is not like the covenant of old. This is not a renewal as you suggest, but it is a NEW one. What covenant is YHWY speaking of in verse 32 if not the Mosaic one?

                  I agree context is everything and yet you left out verse 32. The verses previous are speaking that there will no longer be national judgment but individually. The proverb was apparently common (cf. Lam. 5:7; Ezek. 18:2); the negation of the proverb (they shall no longer say) means that no one will suffer for the sins of others, for national rebellion against God will cease. Why will this happen, because (ground) God is instituting a New Covenant, the will bring to bear more personal responsibility.

                  Isaiah speaks of one who takes upon our iniquities, what are these? The Messiah will bear the sins of His people, who will have God’s Torah written on their hearts not on slabs of stones. This is a new Torah, a new covenant, because (ground) of the failure of Israel to keep the old, Mosaic Covenant. Jer. 31 is part of a celebration, a part of rejoicing that YHWY is doing a new thing.

                  Again, let’s continue to look towards the Scriptures for they do clearly point to the Messiah, that being Yeshua. I look forward to your answers to the questions above.

                  Shalom,

                • BenTheJew

                  TL;DR, unless you really, really care.

                  In the order they were asked:

                  0) There is no question 0, but I’d appreciate if you’d scroll down to a comment made by “ReadyForAct2″. It is clearly intended to be a response to our argument, and the fact that it was mistakenly attached to the wrong place should not mean it gets ignored.

                  1) In agreement with the sentiment expressed by ReadyForAct2, I’m going to make the claim that I don’t NEED scriptural support to make a declaration that you’re not a Jew, anymore than anyone above us needed scriptural support to claim that JG wasn’t a real Christian. While you may be born of Jewish parents, and will thus be a member of the Jewish people until you die, that doesn’t automatically make everything you say consistent with Jewish values.

                  I can make the claim that you are not a Jew based on the things you say, including but not limited to: The “Old” Testament doesn’t count aymore. Jesus was the Messiah and he died for our sins.

                  You’re going to say that a Jew is anyone who says he is, or some other such nonsense. But let’s take a look at a comparison. Are you familiar with the Punk subculture? The Punk movement doesn’t have a set of entry requirements, or any sort of “laws”, but they have ideals and values. Therefore, if you wear business suits every day, listen to nothing but Mozart, and get all of your political information from Fox News, nobody in the Punk movement will take you seriously, regardless of how loudly you shout that you’re a punk.

                  Another example that you’ll no doubt be much more familiar with: If I claim to be a Republican, but believe in big government, higher taxes, separation of Church and State, support socialized healthcare, and get all of my information from MSNBC, it doesn’t matter how much I call myself a Republican. I’m going to be called a RINO by anyone and everyone who considers themselves to be a true Republican.

                  2) Do I acknowledge that the Messiah was born in Bethlehem, just as the Scriptures foretold?

                  Well…that’s kind of a silly question isn’t it? I DON’T BELIEVE THAT JESUS WAS THE MESSIAH! He sounds like a really great guy, and he said lots of really great things, did lots of really great things, and is purported to have done lots of really impossible things. He sounds like a really cool guy, and it’s a shame that he died so horribly. But I don’t think he was the Messiah.

                  Why not? Since this is basically turning into a disputation anyway, I’m going to quote Nahmanides’ argument made at the dispuation of Barcelona in 1263. Nahmanides, if you’ll recall, is one of the only men who can be argued to have won a disputation, having done so after asking the king of Barcelona for permission to speak freely, and arguing so convincingly that the king awarded him a monetary prize. Indeed, his argument was so convincing that the disputation was called off by the judges when they realized the direction the debate was taking, and he was exiled from the city for the rest of his life.

                  Anyway, Nahmanides:
                  “[… it seems most strange that… ] the Creator of Heaven and Earth resorted to the womb of a certain Jewish lady, grew there for nine months and was born as an infant, and afterwards grew up and was betrayed into the hands of his enemies who sentenced him to death and executed him, and that afterwards… he came to life and returned to his original place. The mind of a Jew, or any other person, simply cannot tolerate these assertions. If you have listened all your life to the priests who have filled your brain and the marrow of your bones with this doctrine, and it has settled into you because of that accustomed habit. [I would argue that if you were hearing these ideas for the first time, now, as a grown adult], you would never have accepted them.”

                  Agreed.

                  3) I honestly don’t see what this has to do with anything. I’m not entirely sure what incident you’re referring to, as there are two. But in both of them, Jesus was committing acts of blasphemy. Stoning a man they perceive to be a blasphemer was by no means an uncommon event. Unless you can elaborate on why it matters, I’m not going to pay more attention to this question.

                  4) Now let’s look at Jeremiah 31:27-34 again. At this risk of making this post even more criminally long than it is, I’m going to simply copy-paste the entire translation from the King James Bible into here, so that we can parse it sentence by sentence together, as is done in my University of Chicago humanities classes. I hope using a method associated with so blasphemous and heretical a university doesn’t undermine the validity of my argument.

                  27 “The days are coming,” declares the Lord, “when I will plant the kingdoms of Israel and Judah with the offspring of people and of animals.

                  (Fine. Nothing to say here.)

                  28 Just as I watched over them to uproot and tear down, and to overthrow, destroy and bring disaster, so I will watch over them to build and to plant,” declares the Lord.

                  (Again, no problems here. God is declaring he’ll be a bit kinder from now on. We can both agree about that, right?)

                  29 “In those days people will no longer say,

                  ‘The parents have eaten sour grapes,
                  and the children’s teeth are set on edge.’

                  (And here we go. Jeremiah is in the position of having to defend God against a very harsh accusation. Namely, that the current people of Israel and Judah are suffering for the sins of their fathers. Ezekiel also has to defend against the same accusation, as you pointed out. Jeremiah admits that this charge is accurate, when he acknowledges that the destruction of the kingdom is occuring because of the sins of Manasseh, as seen in Jeremiah 15:4. Jeremiah’s defense against this claim is that in the future, this will no longer be the case. How will it be different? That follows next.)

                  30 Instead, everyone will die for their own sin; whoever eats sour grapes—their own teeth will be set on edge.

                  (Jeremiah says that rather than people suffering for their fathers’ sins, everyone will die for his own sins. The key part of this verse is “everyone will die for their own sin”. Again, this directly contradicts the idea of Jesus, who claims to have died for the world’s sins, that all may experience eternal life.)

                  31 “The days are coming,” declares the Lord,
                  “when I will make a new covenant
                  with the people of Israel
                  and with the people of Judah.

                  (Now then, I have to correct your misconception about this passage. I acknowledge that Adonai says he will make a new covenant. He explicitly refers to a new covenant. I can’t deny that. But he continues.)

                  32 It will not be like the covenant
                  I made with their ancestors
                  when I took them by the hand
                  to lead them out of Egypt,
                  because they broke my covenant,
                  though I was a husband to[d] them,[e]”
                  declares the Lord.

                  (This explains why a new covenant is needed. The new covenant is not needed because God saw anything wrong with the old one. The new covenant is needed because “they broke my covenant.”)

                  33 “This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel
                  after that time,” declares the Lord.
                  “I will put my law in their minds
                  and write it on their hearts.
                  I will be their God,
                  and they will be my people.

                  (Again, to reiterate, the specific Hebrew text is “Natati et-torahti bekirbahm”. Again, literally, “I will put MY TORAH in their inward-parts”. Note that God does not refer to this as a NEW Torah. Simply as HIS Torah.

                  If God had meant to say that an entirely new set of laws would apply, he would have surely said so.

                  The way you are interpreting this new covenant is, to use an example, the way Apple wants you to feel when they release the iPhone 5. “Introducing the new iPhone 5. Come and get one, because it’s new and better than the iPhone 4S.” So you go to the store, and exchange your current phone for a new one, making a new contract with new rules.

                  That’s not an interpretation that’s supported by the preceding text, nor by the context of the passage. Here’s why.

                  The new covenant was rendered insufficient because God saw that the people of Israel and Judah were not truly following the rules of the Torah in their hearts, but simply going through the motions. In this sense, they had broken the covenant.

                  So a new covenant is established, in which he will put the Torah in their minds and hearts, rather than on slabs of stone, as you correctly pointed out.

                  However, given the fact that God does not refer to a new Torah, but merely a new covenant, we are meant to interpret it as a new covenant to abide by the rules of an already existant agreement.

                  Rather than the cell phone exchange that you compare it to, I see a different comparison.

                  Suppose you have a family plan for your cell phone. You get a certain number of minutes, and a certain amount of data each month, and your entire family has to share it.

                  However, suppose that your family uses so much data, and talks so long on the phone that there are no minutes left for you.

                  So you go to the store, and make a new contract with your carrier. You’ll keep your phone and abide by the same terms of the old contract, except it’ll be your responsibility to abide by the terms, and you won’t be punished for the irresponsibility of others.

                  Thus, my interpretation is supported. It’s a renewal of the old covenant, in which the Israelites follow the laws of the already existant Torah, except that they will be held accountable for themselves, rather than each other. Also, regardless, we can know that this covenant has not yet come to pass, based on what comes next.)

                  34 No longer will they teach their neighbor,
                  or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’
                  because they will all know me,
                  from the least of them to the greatest,”
                  declares the Lord.
                  “For I will forgive their wickedness
                  and will remember their sins no more.”

                  (“No longer will they teach their neighbor, or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’ because they will all know me”

                  You know what that phrasing makes me think of? Missionaries. And rightly so, for what do missionaries do, other than go from door to door and say “Know the Lord”?

                  Had this covenant come to pass, missionaries would not be needed, because all would know the Lord. However, missionaries are undeniably a thing that exist and still happen, and Christians will argue they are a thing that is still needed.)

                  So, I feel I’ve made my argument regarding Jeremiah as fully as I possibly can, and now I’m going to move on.

                  5) Isaiah does speak of a suffering servant. I would normally do what I just did with Jeremiah, but this post is already absurdly long, and I can’t spend all of my time parsing Bible verses because I have all of my University of Chicago homework to do.

                  So I’ll just quote Nahmanides’ argument from the Disputation of Barcelona again, since it’s only 3 sentences:

                  Nahmanides:
                  ‘Friar Paul claimed: “Behold the passage in Isaiah, chapter 53, tells of the death of the messiah and how he was to fall into the hands of his enemies and how he was placed alongside the wicked, as happened to Jesus. Do you believe that this section speaks of the messiah?

                  I said to him: “In terms of the true meaning of the section, it speaks only of the people of Israel, which the prophets regularly call ‘Israel My servant’ or ‘Jacob My servant.'”‘

                • http://twitter.com/PuritanD71 PuritanD71

                  I am replying to my own post just so it will follow yours and help with the train of thoughts for both of us. Readyforact2’s concerns though interesting are not paramount to this specific discussion. When I have time, I may respond to him, though his arguments are inherently weak. Here we go….

                  1) I guess it is good to know that you have the final authority to claim someone being Jewish since it can only be claimed by blood or conversion. I would ask then if you also denounce all Jews who claim to be atheists. They have got to be worse than I, right? At least, I believe in YHWY. I have that going for me and I do believe the Scriptures are divine. Does that not make me a better Jew than an atheist? If not, why not? I have never stated that any person could claim to be a Jew, nor would I. Readyforact2’s concerns though interesting are not paramount to this specific discussion.

                  2) Let’s review the background of this question. First, you claim that Yeshua cannot be the Messiah because we all know that the City of David is Jerusalem and not Bethlehem, where he was born. I responded and stated that Micah the prophet, one from the book of the Twelve states that the Messiah will be born in Bethlehem. I followed that up with the question regarding this prophecy in which, do you believe the Scriptures that state that the Messiah is to be born in Bethlehem. Please note, that I did not mention the name of Yeshua, but of the Messiah. So, please address the question of the actual birthplace of the Messiah. Do you believe that the Scriptures are correct in claiming that Bethlehem is the birthplace of the Messiah?

                  3) Fellow Jews were thinking of stoning Yeshua because of blasphemy. The blasphemy was that Yeshua made himself equal to YHWY in their words. So, why did they not stone him according to the Law? What prevented them from doing this? You cannot argue the Romans since Jews stoned Stephen to death. So, why were they unable to stone a man for one of the highest committed sins of blasphemy?

                  4) The analogy you use is wrong. What YHWY has done is nothing like Apple trying to sell the improved model. You seem highly interested in keeping torah in verse 34 to mean the old covenant. Though, it is clear from verse 32 that the old covenant is regulated to the eternal trash heap. No good Jew would separate Torah from Mosaic Law. Since Torah and Mosaic Law are identical. What is the old covenant? It is Torah found in the Books of Moses. Essential YHWY has ripped to shreds the old covenant, the old Torah, the old Mosaic Law. It does not exist anymore. He did not chip the paint off of it and put a new finish on it. He obliterated it. The Torah in verse 34 is directly related to verse 31 and not 32.

                  You state, “However, given the fact that God does not refer to a new Torah, but merely a new covenant, we are meant to interpret it as a new covenant to abide by the rules of an already existent agreement.” The problem here is that the Old Covenant is Torah. You cannot have it both ways. You cannot claim that the old covenant was only instruments of recording, it is much more than that. If the old covenant which is torah is no longer working, then a New Covenant must have a new Torah.

                  Now, I will add this caveat, just because it is new, does not mean that it does not have any similarities with the old, meaning that the Ten commandments are still the Ten commandments (please note that Jesus upheld and spoke about these commandments). Have you ever wonder by what means YHWY is able to write Torah on the hearts and minds of His people? What had to change to make Him able to do just that? He cannot go against His own character.

                  In our previous posts, we both acknowledged that individual responsibility for sin will be playing a far greater role. Interesting to note though if you want to keep the old Torah, that this previous statement is false, because if it is a window dressing than the verses before 31 are a lie. In the Mosaic Law the nation and people are tied together. What grieves my heart is that you do not see the need for a Messiah at all. If we bear responsibility for our own sins, how can any of us be rescued from YHWY’s righteous judgment. Your friend’s argument does not work since no where in Scripture does our good works work in apposition to our bad works. In fact, Isaiah (please note that I have only used the NT in regard to referencing the attempted stonings and the stoning of Stephen. I have only used the “Hebrew” Scriptures in our discussions) clearly states that our good works before YHWY are like filthy rags, not very promising if we are placing our faith in a “scale system” of salvation.

                  Though I did only allude to Is 53, you did not actually answer my question as to what were the “iniquities” refer to? By the way, I find it quite interesting that Is. 53 does not mention Israel or Jacob at all. The idea that Isaiah is referencing a nation in this chapter does not hold water to the context. The person being spoken of here is singular not plural. Even if it was possible to think that it was not talking of a single man, Israel never lived up to nor is living up to such a standard as to bear anyone’s iniquities and would be contrary to what you were trying to argue what Jer. 31 is speaking about. Again, you cannot argue that Is 53 is talking of a nation and at the same time argue that Jer. 31 is arguing for individual responsibility.

                  Wrapping up, I am looking forward to whether you accept Micah’s prophecy regarding the birthplace of the Messiah, what means has happen that G_d is now able to write His Law on the people’s hearts and minds. On top of that, since one cannot divorce covenant from torah, what does New Covenant mean if it is replacing the Mosaic Law.

                  Shalom

                • http://twitter.com/PuritanD71 PuritanD71

                  Please scroll down to my response to your last post. I have started to just reply to the last post that has a reply button which was mine. So, I am giving you this message so you may know that I did respond and it should be just below yours.

                  Shalom.

            • bjohnson55

              Ben thanks for your reply, the Jewish people are GOD’s beloved and chosen people and Dogma / legalism was washed away with the blood of Jesus on that Cross at Calvary. The Roman Catholic Church is a conglomeration of Pagan rituals and Christian worship, Protestantism has thousands of different sects with little tweaks here and there to set “Their belief” apart from one another. It is said that every church built is a perfect church then the door is opened, the first human being walks across the threshold of that perfect church and it is all downhill from there. The one thing they have in common is the belief of Jesus is our Savior. We are human and we have a tendency to seek what we perceive as safety in dogma / legalism, we point our fingers and snarl at the other folks who are different from us and we try to change anything that holds us back from our desires. Peter and Paul debated the issue of conversion and thank goodness Paul won the debate allowing us unwashed masses to be saved. It is all history, it all happened, Jesus was real, he is the Son of God, he died for all of our sins, we all can go to heaven BUT we need to accept him as our savior. Everything else is meaningless and is a distraction.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=684089563 Jordan Sun

    The article doesn’t even have the right website, let alone any of the other facts. It isn’t run by the University, groups of all religions (and yes, atheist and secular ones too) are holding events, and the funding sources gotten from the Maroon were already shown to be incorrect–if one would just read the comments placed by the students actually involved!
    You can hold whatever beliefs you have about this sort of thing, but know that this is an effort on behalf of people of all religious beliefs and academic backgrounds, and focuses on discussing the role of sex in any setting. It is a nonjudgement event that promotes safety and communication first, and that everyone can run his or her sex life (or lack thereof) the way they want to.
    Please get the information and understand what is happening before making so many assumptions!

    • CBDenver

      It is sponsored by the University, the participants are using University buildings to house meetings, so don’t try to quibble about whether it is “run by the University” or not. The University clearly sanctions the event. Your crap about “promoting safety and communication” is just blather to try and justify something that is out of line. There is absolutely no reason to have a gathering at a university where all manner of sexual deviance is celebrated. Nobody is “making assumptions”. Everybody knows what is going on, and it is not some benign academic conclave as you try to pretend.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=684089563 Jordan Sun

        Sponsorship implies much more than what the University is doing. The University is not actively financing the event or anything. The group is allowed by University policy–which says that group events may not be discriminated against unless there is recognizable harm in holding it–to have events in its buildings because it is going through a student-run organization, and in this way only it is supporting it. Other departments are donating health resources in order to ensure that students who have gone to the events can go to the proper places if they want to follow up with sex-related topics (get more information on safe sex, get tested, find counseling, etc.). There is nothing wrong with the University making sure that its students know its resources–in fact, I applaud them.
        Things are going to happen. It’s college, after all. “Sexual deviance” is not being “celebrated”; rather, it’s being recognized, and the students have made a decision that discussing and knowing how to be safe and communicative is more important than letting things go on in the shadows. No one is forcing people to do something they don’t like. By making it an open topic, they are trying to reduce accidental pregnancies, STIs, injuries, and deaths that occur from people not understanding how to navigate their inherently human desires. Sounds extremely responsible of them to me.
        Also, the University of Chicago by no means the first University to hold this event–but it’s great to see that they are doing it now. If you know anyone from the University of Chicago, particularly the College, you know how much the student body loves knowledge of all areas. If you see the descriptions of most of the events, as well as the goals outlined by the team, you will see that they echo the values of the University and its yearn for knowledge quite well.

        • CBDenver

          Right, because information about sex is so hard to come by in our modern world… /sarc

          • RACK

            Good, honest, information with citation to more scientifically and socially valid information IS hard to find. And it can be hard to parse out from the fakes that just tell people that sex is bad until after marriage regardless of faith, gender, etc. It can be hard to recognize bias when it might becoming from someone with a title.

            • http://twitter.com/PuritanD71 PuritanD71

              Right! Godly, moral living as God intended those He created in His image is so far off based in comparison to what you want to call scientifically and socially valid information is in itself, a completely biased, uneducated statement.

              • BenTheJew

                Are you implying that the claim that God created us in his image and wants us to live a certain way is “scientifically valid”? I’m honestly not sure.

          • BenTheJew

            I’m confused. You’re arguing that people shouldn’t be educated about sex, because “information about sex is easy to find”, yet you want to deny that information to precisely the type of people who would most benefit from it?

  • johnos2112

    Why not have kegs of beer, some drugs, and let the kids take their clothes off and get after it. Finally, invite the parents so they can see what progressives do to destroy the culture of this country and watch their kids get after it! Of course I do not wish this but these people are purely evil and sick!

    • butlikereally

      Nah bro, we got frat parties for that. Uchicago goes hard $wag $werve yolo

  • keninil

    Great stuff as long as you don’t teach how to make a gun with your fingers or Legos!

    • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

      That was an excellent comment right there keninil!

  • http://www.crossworksme.com/ GiantM

    Frankly RS they would probably wonder what country were they in? America would be far from consideration.

    Then it would be followed by absolute refusal to believe it was America.

    Pretty sad.

  • tinlizzieowner

    ‘University of Chicago’.
    Any questions? ;-)

  • sickandtired

    In the IT world we have a saying that describes our country at this point in time:

    garbage in = garbage out

  • sickandtired

    In the IT world we have a saying that describes our country at this point in time:

    garbage in = garbage out

  • ReadyForAct2

    A repeating motif here is that salvation can only be found in Jesus. I would suggest that if you believe that God is perfect, that you must question the concept that 2,000 years ago he sent his son to die for humankind’s sins and that everyone who did not (and does not) accept that belief is condemned to spend eternity in hell. So those who were born in China or Africa are doomed to spend eternity in hell because they never heard of Jesus? And those who live righteious lives but do not accept Jesus, they too must spent eternity in helll? But someone who accepts Jesus in his heart and then uses his “sword” in bloodshed (to quote one of the posters here) to kill Jews (as happened in the middle ages again and again), or to burn crosses on the lawns of blacks who dared to seek equality, he resides in the Kingdom of Heaven forever?
    There are many beautiful teachings in Christianity but the concept that there is only one way to heaven is a belief that has caused more suffering than can be justified by any truly religous person. Instead of spending so much time trying to convince others to accept your vision of God, I suggest you focus on making sure that you are living up to your own religion’s deepest most cherished values. And if you conclude that you are and that your religious beliefs compel you to convert others, then you will, I trust, understand why I, as a Jew, find you scary and a bigger threat than the “lefties” teaching college kids about how to enjoy sex. Becauuse the logical extension of what they are doing will lead to peoople having better sex lives. The logical extensio of what you are preaching will lead to another Holocaust (and if you think I am exaggerating, look back at our friend who kept referring to the religoius requirement to use your sword to accomplish God’s will).
    As for whether a Jew can be a Jew and still believe in Jesus, that is a complicated question. Of course, born of a Jewish mother, you are part of the Jewish people your whole life. But being of Jewish birth does not make everything you say “Jewish” or consistent with Jewish law and tradition. One cannot accept Jesus as the Messiah and still claim a voice within the Jewish community no more than a man who has left the priesthood can offer a comment about the Church and expect his statement to have the same weight as an active priest.
    And as for whehter Jesus fulfilled the prophecy of the “Old” Testament, I like what the Talmud has to say on a similar topic. If you are planting an Olive Tree (remember Olive Trees take at least 20 years to bear first fruit) and you hear people shouting The Messiah has arrived (or returned), finish planting your tree and then go check out the story.
    I will continue to plant real seeds of wisdom and good deeds that do not require acceptance of Jesus into my heart and if Jesus does in fact return I trust that my acts of good deeds will bear fruit because I cannot believe that any God would punish a good man based on his refusal to accetp a religion that had killed and persecuted his People for 2,000 years in his name.
    I urge you to worry less and “belief” and more about actually showing compassion and kindness and tolerarance in how you live. For your acts speak far more loudly than your words.

    • http://twitter.com/PuritanD71 PuritanD71

      It is sad to see such a mix up of facts and misunderstandings of both sects. You would rather quote the Talmud that cannot agree with itself than the Scriptures that are in full agreement.

      I wish I had the time to correct the factual errors in your post starting from the beginning. However, I am in the midst of another discussion. Maybe when that one tidies up a bit…. But if you really want to get a leg up, you may want to reread the Scriptures. Just by reading your post, one can see you need to brush up on Torah, the Prophets and the need of the Messiah.

      Shalom

      • ReadyForAct2

        It is very telling that you dismiss my reliance on the Talmud based on the fact that “it can’t agree with itself.” I think the beauty of the Talmud is the recogintion that disagreeemnt and debate is not to be feared or mocked but is to be appreciated. Judaism incorporates disagreement into its very fabric recognizing that there is no one way to understand the Torah and that each understanding offers something valuable and unique. Indeed, the concept of their being just one “answer” is clearly rejected as evidenced by the story of the Rabbie Eleizer who disagreed with his colleagues about whether a particular stove was kosher. When the majority of the rabbis there found agaisnt his view, he could not control himself. He knew he was right. So he called out that the walls of the study hall should fall in if he was right. And they started to fall in but one of the rabbis quoted a verse from Torah that made clear that stones cannot decide the law. So the walls stopped falling. Back and forth it went until Rabbie Eliezer said “If I am right, let God Himself tell you so.” And a voice came from Heaven and said, “Why do you dispute Rabbi Eliezer? The law is as he says in every account.” And the head of the Sanhedrein responded that “What right do you have to intervene? “It is not in heaven” to make these determinations quoting Torah ( a verse in Numbers if I recall correctly).
        The point of the story is that the Jewish God thinks that the process by which we arrive at decisions is more important than reaching a correct answer on a very technical ritual question that has no practical impact on anyone.
        I would suggest that the real difference between your view of Christianity and my view of Judiasm is that your view does not allow for the possiblity that anyone but you can be right. When the Pope said the Jews did not kill Jesus, apparently from what you say above, he was wrong because you imply that the Romans did not kill Jesus but the Jews did. You imply that my understanding of salvation being reserved for only “ture believers” to be wrong. But the Church’s positon on salvation is clear — only Baptised folks can enter heaven. (Hence the need to save a baby over the mother in childbirth — we need to save the baby’s from eternal hell by baptising it.) If you disagree with that teaching of the Church that is fine but then I guess allthe Popes who were touched by the Holy Spiirit misheard. And if you agree with this teaching then you stlll need to respond to the question of how a perfect God can create a world where some by virtue of the birth have no chance to accept Christ because they have never heard of him.
        Indeed, the focus on missionizing comes from this dellema. But the byproduct has been more emphasis on belief than conduct. To many innocents have been killed in the name of God because of your focus on belief instead of conduct.
        Can’t we agree that more important than these theoretical discussions is how we treat our neighbor? Whether we give money to charity? Whether we try and be kind to strangers? Whether we try and be honest in our business dealings? And I can’t imagine you would say that only those who accept Jesus are in fact honest or kind or charitable.
        I do not intend to continue this discussion as I believe my time will be better spent doing good deeds than debating issues which only serve to divide people and not bring them togehter. I believe true holiness is expressed by finding ways to bridge gaps by reaching out in kindness than reaching out to convince someone else they are wrong.

        • http://twitter.com/PuritanD71 PuritanD71

          Great, you come here to the comment thread, trying to throw Christianity under the bus and I quote “I do not intend to continue this discussion as I believe my time will be better spent doing good deeds than debating issues which only serve to divide people and not bring them together.” Yet, you are the one who decided to make it your goal to stick your nose into something you continue to demonstrate a lack of knowledge and rejection of what is truth.

          Your story is sadly asinine and demonstrates the folly of modern Judaism and its rejection of YHWY. You want to put your faith in a book of men who cannot even agree on the color of the sky, but reject Scripture whose author is G-d, himself. That is your choice.

          You want to cling to the Left because they are only teaching about sex? You are so naive. You think that it is the Christian that caused the Holocaust? It is the Left that hates your Jewishness and everything you supposedly stand for. It is the Left that started the Holocaust, ignored it when it came to light, and now encouraging the teaching that it never existed and is just a figment of someone’s imagination. It is the Left that is in bed with those whose sole desire is to throw the Jews in the water to drown. It is the Left who are laughing at you as you continue to vote and support the very policies that will bring the Jewish people to their demise. It is the Left that despises your very existence. Hey, if you want to continue to believe in the lies, that is your choice as you rather reject the Truth in Scripture.

          It was the Christian that put their necks on the line to hide the Jews. It is the Evangelical Right that politically supports that Jews have the right to life, the right to having their own state, the right to defend the existence of Jewish culture. It is the Evangelical Right that continues to donate large sums of money in support of the Jews to their own detriment. Granted, we have Luther at the end of his life write some terrible things about the Jews. You have those who stoned Stephen and the Sanhedrin that authorized the killing and the persecution of Christians. Both histories have their flaws, even today Christians are not allowed to practice their faith in Israel. Yet, I do not hold that against you or the Jewish faith.

          I could care less what the Pope says or what he thinks. Your righteousness just will not measure up to anything but condemnation from YHWY. According to Scriptures, We have all become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous deeds are like a polluted garment. We all fade like a leaf, and our iniquities, like the wind, take us away. (Isa 64:6 ESV) וַנְּהִי כַטָּמֵא כֻּלָּנוּ וּכְבֶגֶד עִדִּים כָּל־צִדְקֹתֵינוּ וַנָּבֶל כֶּעָלֶה כֻּלָּנוּ וַעֲוֹנֵנוּ כָּרוּחַ יִשָּׂאֻנוּ Just in case you wanted the Hebrew text (I will acknowledge that my Hebrew is extremely weak).

          What work did Abraham do to be righteous in God’s eyes? What did Abraham do to be justified? I know that it is silly questioning since you will have to read the Scriptures. By the way, maybe you and BenTheJew can get together and figure out what “iniquities” mean in the book of Isaiah, especially in the verse I quote and chapter 53? It would seem that the two of you joining together may help bring some much needed sense and clarity to what you are trying to say. Then again, I have been accused of wishful thinking.

          Side note: You want to know who is responsible for the death of Yeshua….all who sin and fall short of the Glory of G-d.

          • BenTheJew

            Like ReadyForAct2, this will be my last post, as I too have better things to do. But as a parting shot, I submit the following:

            1. You completely miss the point of the story (which is actually one of my personal favorites), which is that the argument and the decision making process are more important, and more enjoyable, than the decision that is ultimately reached.

            This is a belief that is so central to the Jewish People that I would consider it nearly inseparable. There have been papers written about Jewish argument as a form of sociability. “Jews love to argue” is a trope appearing in many films, books, comics, and other media, including the works of Woody Allen, Monty Python’s “The Life of Brian”, Terry Pratchett’s Discworld novels, Seinfeld, Big Bang Theory, Curb Your Enthusiasm, and many others. There is even a saying “Two Jews, three opinions”.

            It is also a belief that I fully subscribe to, ingrained into me by many years of Hebrew school and Jewish summer camps (Reconstructionist, just in case you were wondering).

            2. A short, in no way comprehensive or complete list of atrocities committed by Christians against the Jews.

            The Spanish Inquisition.
            The Spanish Expulsion.

            The Crusades, during which it’s estimated that at least 10,000 Jews in Europe were killed, constituting between a quarter and a third of the Jewish population. To quote the Crusaders of Rouen, “”we desire to combat the enemies of God in the East; but we have under our eyes the Jews, a race more inimical to God than all the others”.

            Countless accusations of blood libel.

            Countless pogroms.

            Over 350 separate massacres of Jews by their Christian neighbors during the various Bubonic Plague epidemics that swept Europe. Jews were repeatedly blamed as the cause of plague, accused of acts such as poisoning wells. Zurich expelled all of its Jews. In a single day in 1349, 2000 Jews were burnt to death in Strausborg. Basel built a special structure on an island in the Rhine, put all 4000 of its Jews inside, and burnt it to the ground, then proceeding to forbid Jewish residence for the next 200 years. In Mainz, Germany, at least 6000 Jews were incinerated. Much of this took place at the behest of the Brethren of the Cross, also called the Order of Flagellants. Whenever a town heard that the Brethren were coming, they would commence with pogroms. When that didn’t happen, the Brethren themselves would immediately go to the Jewish quarters and loot and murder.

            While we’re on that subject, Jews have been regularly blamed for diseases including but not limited to bubonic plague (as just mentioned) and typhus (in 1892, after a minor outbreak occurred in the Jewish neighborhood of New York City, Jews exclusively were subjected to much more exacting standards and inspection before they were allowed to immigrate).

            Furthermore, the uncountable instances of Jews being called Christ-killers, and persecuted and murdered for this supposed deicide.

            IMPORTANT NOTE: Am I implying that all Christians are evil, or that all Jews are righteous and pure-hearted? Of course not. That would be absurd. Equally absurd, however, is the claim that all evangelical Christians have the best interest of the Jewish People at heart, and that every member of the Democratic party is a scheming murderer laughing gleefully as Jews “march towards their own destruction”.

            3. It is accepted among Jews that there are two kinds of false prophets. The first is the one who claims to be a prophet in the name of idolatry. The second is the kind who claims to be a prophet of the God of Israel, yet declares that any commandment made by God no longer applies.

            It is important to note that, even if this prophet should appear to have supernatural or divine powers, that they are to be regarded as a false prophet if they declare that any of God’s commandments are no longer valid. See Deuteronomy 13:2-4, and Deuteronomy 18:21-22 for how we are to know if a prophet is truly one who speaks the word of God.

            4. What did Abraham do to be righteous in God’s eyes? I’m not entirely sure why you’re asking this, nor what it has to do with anything, but I’ll answer it anyway because it ties into something I said earlier. What did Abraham do that so impressed God? He ARGUED. With GOD. What else would you expect from the father of the Jewish People?

            God came to Abraham and said that he was going to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah, because there were no righteous people left in the cities. Abraham asks God if he would spare the cities for the sake of 50 righteous men. Then 40. Then 30, and 20, and finally 10. Abraham directly argued with God, getting God to agree to spare two cities worth of wicked men for the sake of 10 righteous ones.

            Incidentally, this is also why Noah wasn’t offered the covenant while Abraham was. When Noah was told that God was going to drown the entire world, he didn’t question or second guess.

            So, now that all of that is out of the way, I’m done here. I have more interesting arguments to engage in.

            • http://twitter.com/PuritanD71 PuritanD71

              This is so sad and disturbing, you would rather argue over non-life threatening stuff than God’s Word which is Life. Instead of putting up a strong Torah argument that Yeshua is not the Messiah, you hide behind persecutions that happen eons ago. GROW UP.

              So what? Christians are persecuted in Israel for their beliefs and do you see me hiding behind it. Christians throughout the world as well are being persecuted for their faith. Your going to try to argue that every Jew practice the Torah perfectly and never belittled or persecuted a Christian? I thought Jews were tougher than this, but I guess I am wrong. You don’t know the Scriptures, you don’t know history, what do you know?

              The Crusades were not due to any religious aspects whatsoever. If you knew your history, you would be aware that it was the Byzantine Empire that asked for the help of Europe to hold off the Islamic militants on their way. It was about land, it was about one upping the Byzantine orthodox. Was there religious overtones, yes, but it had nothing to do with Christianity.

              You err with Abraham, not surprising but reread the first book. God’s covenant with Abraham came way before YHWY spoke with Abraham regarding Sodom. Abraham was credited with righteousness because he believed (faith) in what YHWY said. Again, your lack off understanding the Scriptures should greatly bother you. You should be greatly disturbed to be lied to all your life by Jewish teachers who claim that arguing is the thing that makes you a Jew. A true Israelite will be one who knew his Scriptures and well enough to make sensible arguments instead of trying to hide behind history and stories that have no eternal value.

              By the way: Your friend claimed that he could not believe the exclusiveness of Christianity through the proclamation of the words of Yeshua. One question: how many Jews are allowed to stand before the mercy seat of the ark of the covenant? Sounds pretty exclusive to me.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1304250128 Jordan Larson

    Actually, the event isn’t being put on by administrators. Though they have received some sponsorship by the university, Sex Week is entirely organized by students. Furthermore, Sex Week isn’t just targeted to college students, but to graduate students, as well (who are more likely to have children with whom they wish to talk about sex).

  • Marcio Gimenes

    One worries about this generation, are these the ones that will keep this economy going, paying taxes when we are old and retired? and these are the ones that will preserve this nation’s ideals, spread democracy, be a light for the world? and these are the ones that will teach my children and grandchildren not only academically but will for them pretend to be a moral example???