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George Kenderdine
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George Kenderdine

Are they calling the Students Stupid or the fact that they are put on probation?
If they are calling the students stupid, then they have offended me. I would have done the same thing may have even shot the guy.

DannyE
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DannyE

Sue the school.

John62
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John62

Live near here so have to comment.
Sooo, the NEWS STORY is about the SUCCESSFUL DEFENSE of life and property WITHOUT VIOLENCE… BEING THE CRIME!?
Was there even a report about the perpetrator?? Geez is this world upside down or WHAT?

Press Watchusa
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Press Watchusa

Parallel Universe – I guess that means “Or What”

tinlizzieowner
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tinlizzieowner

I wonder if it says anything in the college ‘rules’ about convicted Felons not being allowed to break in to off campus, college housing. wink wink

George Kenderdine
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George Kenderdine

I have never seen a No Felons zone, Good point!

tinlizzieowner
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tinlizzieowner

Have you ever seen a sign anywhere that says, “WARNING You Are ‘Allowed’ To Rob This Place”. wink wink
I’m sure some college administrator somewhere is thinking about creating one, as we speak.

Lives4Freedom
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Lives4Freedom

To me, the million dollar question here is 2nd amendment right vs. private property right (namely, the right to establish ‘conditions’ for allowing another person or people onto your property). To respect both laws creates conflict. My question is, for a private property owner that rents their property to others for the primary use of being their domicile, is it still within their right do deny the possession of firearms on said property? Can a person legally forfeit an inalienable right through a signed contract? It would be interesting to see case law that deals with this issue. It’s fortunate that these two young men were prepared. It is also fortunate for the school. Little do the school officials realize, that if these two guys followed the rules, they might have died. Their surviving family could sue the school for a significant sum for not providing the protection that they… Read more »

George Kenderdine
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George Kenderdine

They were not on school grounds. They have no say so about the matter

Lives4Freedom
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Lives4Freedom

If the newscasters are correct, Gonzaga owns the apartments. I can’t speak to where or how there ‘rule’ is written.

lawngren
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lawngren

Why do people still call it “higher” education?

NYGino
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NYGino

Larger bongs.

badbadlibs
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badbadlibs

I have a family member who graduated from Gonzaga. He came out of that indoctrination center a flaming liberal. He asks his father read books by Noam Chomsky.

steprock
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steprock

Indoctrination center. Good term. Twisting malleable young minds. Aka reeducation camp you pay for and voluntarily walk into.

I am sorry for your loss.

badbadlibs
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badbadlibs

His very conservative father paid for that edu., having earned millions from starting a hugely successful business…go the heck figure!

John62
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John62

A “Catholic” school I understand?

badbadlibs
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badbadlibs

Jesuit, is that Catholic?
Whatever the case, it doesn’t seem to matter much these days what a university began as, they all seem to wind up being communist makers.

John62
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John62

From wikipedia: Within the Roman Catholic Church, there has existed a sometimes tense relationship between Jesuits and the Vatican due to questioning of official Church teaching and papal directives, such as those on abortion,birth control, women deacons,homosexuality, and liberation theology. Usually this theological free thinking is academically oriented, being prevalent at the university level. From this standpoint, the function of this debate is less to challenge the magisterium than illustrate the church’s ability to compromise in a pluralist society based on shared values which do not always align with religious teachings.[69] The previous two Popes have appointed Jesuits to powerful positions in the Church…Pope Francis, elected in 2013, has become the first Jesuit Pope.

badbadlibs
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badbadlibs

That explains ALOT!

Larchmonter445
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Larchmonter445

You have to obey the school rules. Probation seems fair. However, it shows that the Second Amendment works as the best security against criminals. A person should have the right to protect self and domicile. The school should have provided armed protection if they want the students disarmed.

steprock
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steprock

I agree. They saved themselves by violating a stupid rule that in turn violates their rights. The school has the right to punish them.

Folks. We have to be ready to endure punishment to preserve our rights. Sad, but true. I guess the school would prefer them robbed murdered and mourned.

OneThinDime
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OneThinDime

It is sad but true, better harmed by a convicted felon than defend themselves.
I would like to know how the school has the right to seize their private property. They can force them to leave their apartment but I’d like to see the state law that gives that school gun confiscation rights.

Lives4Freedom
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Lives4Freedom

Interesting point. One of the first things that came to my mind was “could I file theft charges in this situation?”

steprock
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steprock

I think you are right. The school can suspend or evict them but not confiscate their property

lawngren
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lawngren

Let’s think about this for a minute. If an institution makes a rule that violates your rights, they then somehow magically have the right to punish yo for exercising that right?

What that means is that the U.S. Constitution is law unless anyone at all decides that it is not.

steprock
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steprock

Yes, I’m afraid so. For one, they agreed to this. Second, we do this all the time with gun free zones. It must be challenged in court. If we exercise civil disobedience like these guys did we have to be ready to be punished for it, much like protests leading to arrests.It’s wrong, but legal.

lawngren
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lawngren

We need to refuse to recognize or use the incorrect terminology. It can’t be legal if it’s wrong, especially when “wrong” means contrary to the U.S. Constitution.

steprock
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steprock

Can’t argue the point. I prefer “second amendment free zones” or even “rights violation areas”. If it’s a right, then it’s a right. Granted by God, recognized by man.

lawngren
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lawngren

How about, “The school has to obey the rules of the Constitution”? Otherwise there IS no Constitution.

Booker
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Booker

Too many tight arses in the universities these days.

NYGino
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NYGino

Some are tight and some….not so much.

Booker
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Booker

Fair point.

badbadlibs
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badbadlibs

Yet another place with no sign. When will men like this ever learn??

timerunnersc
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timerunnersc

Sounds like a couple of intelligent students.

Their dads and moms should be proud.
By the way any info or ID on the intruder?

Maybe we have a case of racism enrichment, the robber may have stalked the

guy; http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/gonzaga-students-face-expulsion-gun-20846915
I guess cash is always quicker.

LT714RET
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LT714RET

Now they’ll have to move since the girly men at the university made them easy targets!

steprock
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steprock

You kidding? Criminals should be on the lookout for student owned dwellings. They’ve all been disarmed!

Galatiansch2vs20
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Galatiansch2vs20

Kids and young adults might take away some lessons from this. Such as:

a) desire to work to protect your right to bear arms.
b) read the rules before you decide whether or not to rent a school apartment
c) if you rent a school apartment even though they strip you of a constitutional right, make sure you are someone who needs a service dog and that the service dog was also trained as a military/police dog to attack any threat to their master/mistress.
d) try hard to go to a school which believes in upholding the constitution
e) gun-free school-owned zones are not safe places to be
f) gun ownership can have its benefits

MaroonRepublic
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MaroonRepublic

You must be a victim in the United States of Victim-hood.

odin147
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odin147

constitutional right is above local rule. There is an expectation of privacy even in public housing, so even if the apt. has the rule, it cannot override the right to have a gun in an area where there is an expectation of privacy.

steprock
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steprock

Deep waters there. It would have to be taken to court to get to the bottom of that one.

odin147
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odin147

I listen to cspan

Abrogation
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Abrogation

So Lets take this one step further. Why are the prison/Jail guards not unemployed for allowing a criminal to escape in the first place.

Sentinel
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Sentinel

It almost seems like the violent criminal is treated better or has more rights. More wussification of America. If these liberal tards had their way, we’d all be victims.

lawngren
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lawngren

Criminals are often treated better, by the court system, and the tards do have their way, and soon all who are left alive will be victims. Then ( for about three or four days) all the liberals will think they’ve died and gone to heaven. But then starvation and socialist tyranny will wake them up …. too late.

p0sTpWnEd
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p0sTpWnEd

I’m all for gun rights, but these kids decided to live in a building that didn’t allow guns. If they wanted to be able to defend themselves, they should have lived elsewhere.

SheerPolitics
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SheerPolitics

I think most of us would say that the school banning guns from law-abiding citizens is unconstitutional. The constitution SHOULD trump petty bureaucrats, but sadly often doesn’t.

Garym
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Garym

Up is down, black is white. If it was the intruder that had the gun and shot/killed those kids, the story would be about gun violence. This country really needs a wakeup call.

Rshill7
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Rshill7

Probation, schmobation. At least they’re still alive.

Let’s see, the bad guy got away, the gun was arrested, and the good guys were suspended.

The only person who got away clean was the perp.

So, what’s the moral of the story? Sometimes Civil Disobedience can save your life
and you should never Thoreau your life away just to obey a stupid rule.

NYGino
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NYGino

I thought you were going to say the gun was an Elizabeth Browning.

Rshill7
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Rshill7

Rimshot!

MJS
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MJS

Never surrender your weapon.

Press Watchusa
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Press Watchusa

Too bad the student’s names weren’t

SMITH and WESSON

Press Watchusa
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Press Watchusa

This is a TEA PARTY conspiracy!

The TEA PARTY is STAGING these incidents to bring attention to the Gun “problem”


I know it for a fact – eventhough it makes no sense

>>>>>>>>>>OK – I am getting back into my spaceship now!

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I am glad these students were not hurt!

By the way – Where were the “Security” “Guards” again?

AND if it was a FEMALE Student pulling a gun – Would she be expelled?

>>>>>>>>>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1cZdvJUf-k

BAZINGA or Gonzaga!

NYGino
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NYGino

JOE! JOE!!, is that you JOE?

NYGino
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NYGino

I thought that was Joe there for a minute. Miss him.

OneThinDime
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OneThinDime

Time for these students to transfer to a school that respects the Constitution. Take your money and move guys.

americalsgt
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americalsgt

My favorite part of this story is the name Gonzaga. Oh I know, Gonzaga it’s in ??? near ??? is it in the US? It’s in the state of WA. I looked it up finally, but it’s always in the headlines as if it’s Ohio Stare, Yale, Texas A&M etc. I mean everyone knows Gonzaga.

GigiOf3
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GigiOf3

Actually, Gonzaga has a pretty good basketball program…ranked number one 3/14/13 going into the NCAA post season and made it to round 32. Yes, I know it’s a small University in Spokane, WA but if you are a big basketball fan, you would know where Gonzaga is. Even though it is in Washington, that’s still part of the US-right? But I digress, it is located in Eastern Washington, a different part of the state, we call it the right side where as the mountains divide it from the left side of the state, where all those from California moved in the late 70’s early 80’s. And now it is a blue, blue, blue state. But now we have moved to what used to be a Red state that is turning blue, can’t win!

NYGino
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NYGino

They should have put up a sign instead. “No Breaking and Entering Zone” That would have worked for protection.

IamPETA
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IamPETA

Gun Free Zones seem to be working admirably too….

IamPETA
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IamPETA

Sigh……the PC fascists running amok. If I was independently wealthy….every time I saw a story like this, I’d contact these young men, and offer to pay their way through a real school….like Hillsdale College.
As it is, I’m left hoping for the best for them……America needs another generation of people coming up who can take care of themselves….

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