UPDATED – Beck: Raising debt ceiling spells the end of Republicans

**UPDATED**

Both the Judge and Beck (somewhat anyway) seem to agree that, despite terrible consequences, the debt ceiling should not be raised any higher, which could begin the ‘difficult times’ that we know are coming. But then it ended like this:

Judge: I think they’ll get the debt ceiling through because the President will buy off the Republicans with some nonsense.

Beck: And that will be the beginning of the end of the Republicans.

Here’s the full segment and it’s in the first half of the clip. Be sure and watch it to get the proper context.



I’m not sure I agree with Beck here. Obviously there would be dire consequences to not raising the debt ceiling, but it’s because of those consequences, along with the fact that Republicans haven’t had the chance to pass any legislation into law – to reform the government that badly needs reform – that would give me pause before passing judgement on them at this point. This particular problem has been created in large part by the tremendously excessive spending of the Democrat party over the last four years and if we have to raise it one more time to give the Republicans a chance to get our house in order without having detrimental consequences, then I’m ok with it. After all, people tend to agree that Paul Ryan’s roadmap would set us on the right course without killing the benefits of those who are currently receiving benefits from programs like Social Security.

At this point it would be 2013 before Republicans would have an opportunity to actually reform government, so let’s hold off on the “Republicans are going to be the Whig Party” talk. We knew when we elected them this time that all we could hope for is gridlock. And that’s what we want. But unless there is some unforeseen solution out there somewhere, they may have to participate in raising the debt ceiling again. Even West agrees, though he wants some serious spending cuts attached.

UPDATE: I updated to reflect better Beck’s position on voting for it since he did show a fair amount of hesitancy in picking a side.

UPDATE: Glenn clarified his position this morning and does feel that we should raise the debt ceiling as long as we do it responsibly. However, I will take issue with one thing the article states:

Glenn was surprised that his words were being twisted and misunderstood, so he tried to clarify.

I quoted what he said and put the entire context around it. I did not twist them. Besides, if his position was so clear and easy to understand, then why did it take him two segments and several analogies to clarify it? And even then it was still fuzzy. At the end of the article it states:

Stu was able to summarize Glenn’s position: “Raise it as long as it’s paired with legitimate physical responsibility.”

I would add ‘Stu was finally able to summarize…’ as it took a while to get to that point.

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Mikemorrison281
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Mikemorrison281

This is the first day of the republicans doing what they do best: stab us in the back. They will raise the debt ceiling. They won’t defund healthcare. They won’t get rid of the IRS. They won’t cut taxes and they won’t cut spending. They won’t balance the budget. It will be two years of blaming and playing games and if the economy somehow comes back, Obama will be re-elected…if it doesn’t, a RINO republican will be elected. Sorry to be so cynical, but nothing republicans are saying right now gives me any hope that they’ve decided to do the right but hard thing.

jo blo
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jo blo

Backdoor bailout by the Fed? I am not a Ronulan, but in this case, I’m REAL glad Ron Paul is in charge of that stuff.

I agree with the Judge – it’s the only way people in this country will understand, gut-level, how serious an issue debt is.

I like Beck sometimes, and I think he means well, but he seems all-too-often to be possessed of the same ‘you’re too stupid to know what’s going on, so let me chew the food and put in your mouth’ syndrome that the lefties are. I think most voting Americans DO get what not raising the debt ceiling means and are ready to move on with it. The GOP was voted in to do something about Obamacare, about the rapists in Pelosi’s House and to do something about the debt.

If they fail, it IS the beginning of the end.

Jaynie59
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Jaynie59

This voting American is NOT ready to see the Republicans pull such a boner that we’d end up with another 40 year Democrat rule.

The Republican Party only controls the House. That’s it. They don’t have the Senate and we have an incompetent ideologue in the White House who has to pass out numbers to a national press so they don’t trip over each other when lining up to give him another blow job.

The 2010 election was about STOPPING the Obama/Pelosi/Reid attack on the American Dream. The 2012 election is about getting Obama out of the White House and taking the Senate so this country can be saved from certain financial ruin. If the Republicans do anything as nuts as not raising the debt ceiling they will be doing exactly what Obama wants them to do. And the press will love every single minute of it.

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jo blo
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jo blo

And please let me know how you’ve divined the reaction of all the people of this country to not raising the debt ceiling? I have the election, which was about repealing Obamacare and cutting spending to back up my claim. What have you? Assumptions about the ‘sheeple’? I am so sick of hearing/reading this tripe that the people are a herd which will stampede at the first ‘crisis’. If that were true, we’d be in full civil war/rebellion/whatever mode after all the crap Obama has pulled. . The American people have dealt with a crisis no less major than not raising the debt ceiling would be and with aplomb. They would handle this just fine. But I know, our internet gurus know better. And the press? Screw ’em. They reached their apogee in ’08. If they still had the influence that all of our hand-wringers think, November wouldn’t have been… Read more »

Jaynie59
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Jaynie59

You are not being realistic. You say:

“America’s eyes are WIDE open – as the ‘mainstream’ (increasingly not so) media continues to cheerlead what everybody knows is B.S. , they will continue to make themselves increasingly irrelevant.”

They’re not irrelevant. They are still the only real game in town and where most people get their news. The Republicans will get blamed for everything that affects the economy for the next two years leading up to the 2012 elections. They hadn’t even been sworn in yet and already the media is talking about high gas prices. They’ll get the blame for that. Unemployment at 9%? Their fault. Housing? It’s the Republicans fault it’s not better.

Even if they do nothing, Republicans will have a very tough time in 2012.

jo blo
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jo blo

Sources, please?

I tell you what, since it’s so hopeless, why don’t you pack it all up and move to the north pole?

At least we’d have one less worthless hand-wringer in our ranks, taking up space and oxygen.

johnos69
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johnos69

If I was the President this is what I would do. I would dissolve the fed, suspend capital gains for two years, cut the corporate tax in half to 17.5%, cut income taxes 10% across the board permanently, cut pensions by 20%, and freeze all public service hires until further notice. All public employees would be required to pay into their health plans. That is what leadership is and that person needs to be in the white house.

johnos69
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johnos69

If I was the President this is what I would do. I would dissolve the fed, suspend capital gains for two years, cut the corporate tax in half to 17.5%, cut income taxes 10% across the board permanently, cut pensions by 20%, and freeze all public service hires until further notice. All public employees would be required to pay into their health plans. That is what leadership is and that person needs to be in the white house.

Gkingthomas
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Gkingthomas

If they do get it through it won’t be the end of the Republicans. If the Dems have pushed and shoved all the stuff they did before we kicked them out, this will not even be an issue by 2012! Nobody will even remember it.

Jim
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Jim

Why can’t we just FREEZE spending right now at the current levels and begin a department-by-department, program-by-program means test? That way, we only lose benefits per the cost of year-to-year inflation and we begin the hard task of cutting crap that the federal government has no business supporting.

Diamondback
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Diamondback

Because Obamao and the Demoncraps increased the budget of the executive branch (that includes ALL the agencies, departments and programs of the federal government) by approx. 40% or something within months of his taking office. So, I say we roll back to the pre-increase budget, then cut it by 25% and start from there.

Diablosho
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Diablosho

It seems to me that we wanted to kill the beast, and now we can. I don’t understand why we’re hesitating so much! Don’t raise the debt ceiling, and it will ALL fall. Then, we will HAVE to go through, line by line, and ONLY allow the things that WORK! Ta Da, back to basics and everything works again. This is the ONLY way to curtail welfare, social security, medicare, and every other government program in one fell swoop. It’s within reach, we just need our representatives to know that we WANT this to happen.

Diablosho
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Diablosho

It seems to me that we wanted to kill the beast, and now we can. I don’t understand why we’re hesitating so much! Don’t raise the debt ceiling, and it will ALL fall. Then, we will HAVE to go through, line by line, and ONLY allow the things that WORK! Ta Da, back to basics and everything works again. This is the ONLY way to curtail welfare, social security, medicare, and every other government program in one fell swoop. It’s within reach, we just need our representatives to know that we WANT this to happen.

Diamondback
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Diamondback

That’s right. Just cut the throat of the beast (big government) and let the healing and hard work begin.

Let’s roll America.

JW
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JW

Damn if you do, damn if you don’t………………………

Jaynie59
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Jaynie59

Judge Napolitano is a Libertarian. By their nature, Libertarians don’t give a crap what happens to this country, and they sure as hell don’t give a crap what happens to the Republican party. Libertarians like the judge are living in a fantasy world where politics is the problem and individual responsibility is the only solution. Winning elections means noting to them. Which is why they’ll never win any. They have to raise the debt ceiling. Anyone with two brains cells to rub together knows that. This issue is about one thing and one thing only: using this issue to destroy the Republicans by setting them up for a failure no matter what they do. And, boy, it’s working like a charm. The ONLY issue that will make the MSM and lying liberals rejoice with glee will be accusing any Republican who votes for the increase of being a sellout and… Read more »

Jim
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Jim

Your an idiot. Like the MSM will do ANYTHING for the tea party. You keep the current ceiling and enter into difficult negotiations with the sitting President to make the necessary cuts. Then HE has to answer to the people for his part in 2 Trillion new spending since taking office.

You are part of the problem, dimocrat appeasing RHINO.

Jaynie59
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Jaynie59

That should be “you’re an idiot”. When are people like you going to wake up and realize that liberals, and that includes the whole of the mainstream media, are lying sacks of sh*t who only see things from their own warped perspective and logic is turned on its head? When? They hate anything that is even a little bit right of center. Everything is relative to a liberal except conservatism, which is the only true Evil in the world. Liberals are not hypocrites. Hypocritical thought requires thought. Liberals don’t manage to get that far. The Tea Party is now a great tool liberals can use against Republicans. And they will use it. They would love nothing better than a third party because it means Democrat rule. The MSM has nothing but contempt for the Tea Party but that won’t stop them from using it to expose what they see as… Read more »

Cindy
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Cindy

At the end of the GOP could be the beginning of a Tea Party like Party?

Roland
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Roland

The debt ceiling will be raised. The Debt will grow. The size, scope and reach of federal power will increase, it’s what goverments do and ours is a monster that must be fed. The only way to regain our rights and freedom is to kill the beast and be prepared to fight to win the right to restore our heritage. Most of our citizens are emoral, lazy,dumb cowards,by design. But there are more than a few who would anwser the call of Liberty if a leader issued the call. Do we have a Samuel Adams, a Patric Henry, John Paul Jones, Harry Lee, Ethan Allen, a George Clark, could God bless us with a George Washington or is the best our country can offer a man selling a 7 step program as a path to Freedom?

Anonymous
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Anonymous

In Austrian Economics the bust of the Business Cycle is seen not so much as a bad thing, but the first step on the path to a recovery. The bust/crash is the stomach churning medicine you take before you start to get better, it’s the necessary sign of things starting to get right again. The worse the engineered credit expansion and following malinvestment leading up to the bust, the worse the bust will naturally be. The United States Government has been in the business of phony credit expansion (raising the debt ceiling, no gold standard, Federal Reserve, fractional reserve banking) and subsequent malinvestment (Social Security, Welfare, Medicare, Medicaid, subsidies, etc.) for nearly a century and to the tune of $14,000,000,000,000. We can either suck it up and brace for the necessary hard times wrought by the government IN OUR NAMES now, or we can allow the government to continue to… Read more »

Diamondback
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Diamondback

Dang Dan, you’re on a roll today bro.

James A Johnson
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James A Johnson

I deal with the homeless. I deal with women and children who are on TANF. In WA State a women with one child gets $453 per month to buy everything non food for her and her baby. Now i know you will say she had the kid and so what. Well that kid didn’t make the problem but he/she sure will be a MAJOR problem for society when they grow up. Just where do you think she will live if you cut it even lower? Right now they double up (and sometimes even triple) in 1 bedroom. The living conditions are appalling. The kids raised this way will be problems all their lives. I take these women and try to get them additional training so they can get a living wage job. Our goal is to make them taxpayers. But I’m have a hell of a hard time getting funded.… Read more »

Chris G.
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Chris G.

Like Gllen Beck says:

FAITH
HOPE
CHARITY

I believe that cases like yours prove that churches need to step up & start taking more responsibilities in the community. Get the feds out of the picture & let the States work out their own methods for tackling these problems.

Chris G.
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Chris G.

Like Gllen Beck says:

FAITH
HOPE
CHARITY

I believe that cases like yours prove that churches need to step up & start taking more responsibilities in the community. Get the feds out of the picture & let the States work out their own methods for tackling these problems.

miConsevative
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miConsevative

Money ain’t the answer. Just showed the movie “The Human Experience” to my students – it goes around the world showing different people in different situations and how all are people who have worth simply because they are people. The comment I got most from the kids was about many of the homeless and poor – “They don’t have anything and they are still happy”. I highly recommend the movie – and recommend that it’s not money – it’s the American materialistic culture that needs to be addressed.

Diamondback
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Diamondback

Tell her to look to the churches and charitable organizations IN HER COMMUNITY!

Simple as that.

It is NOT in the purview of the government to address these issues — that’s the job of the COMMUNITY in which each of these people live!

Churches and charitable organizations get favorable tax treatment so they can have more resources to address just these kind of issues.

We MUST get the government out of these type issues and put them back into the hands of COMMUNITIES and civilian organizations.

Jim
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Jim

So giving more money is your only answer??? How long has this method been tried? All it leads to is MORE Moms and their kids joining the programs, requiring MORE & MORE money to support them!!! At some point, it has to stop. If you really want to take care of the child and make sure he/she is not a “MAJOR problem for society”, then means test the Mother! Make sure that at birth the Parent (or parents) have the financial means to take care of the baby. If they don’t you’ve got to put the newborn up for adoption. I personally know of many wonderful, financially solvent couples that have to go to 3rd world countries to adopt newborns. If we implemented this type of policy, don’t you think that as time goes by, more potential parents will do whatever necessary to become financially solvent so they don’t lose… Read more »

Chris G.
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Chris G.

If Congress doesn’t pass the laws that Obama wants passed, he will reach his goals by Executive fiat. He is going to take it upon himself to do what he thinks needs to be done, Congress be damned…& the Dem-controlled Senate will go right along with him. If Obama does what the Senaste Dems want him to do, they won’t mind being made irrelevant.

How should Congressional Republicans & the American People react is this occurs?

Diamondback
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Diamondback

The house and senate repubs BETTER challenge Obama on EVERY E.O. and departmental/agency regulation that is issued without solid foundation in congressionally approved legislation.

The executive branch does NOT have any power to make law — only the Congress.

I also haven’t seen any authority in the constitution for the president to issue signing statements. He is required to enforce the laws passed by Congress. He has NO AUTHORITY to determine whether or not he’ll enforce particular laws. If congress passes it, he is REQUIRED to enforce it.

The Congress had better get its act together or it will become irrelevant and WE THE PEOPLE will have no choice but to revolt and fight with deadly force to restore our Republic and its constitutional checks and balances.

RobM
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RobM

Congress controls the purse strings to every activity in the Federal Gov’t. The House of Representatives can stop providing funding for the agencies that Obama uses to attempt his end-run around the Constitution and Congress. If the House passes a bill that reduces the amount of money available for the EPA, etc., then that agency will not have the manpower to enact the executive orders that Obama creates. Of course, the members of the House have to be willing to take these steps and I seriously doubt they will.

RobM
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RobM

Congress controls the purse strings to every activity in the Federal Gov’t. The House of Representatives can stop providing funding for the agencies that Obama uses to attempt his end-run around the Constitution and Congress. If the House passes a bill that reduces the amount of money available for the EPA, etc., then that agency will not have the manpower to enact the executive orders that Obama creates. Of course, the members of the House have to be willing to take these steps and I seriously doubt they will.

Ryan G
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Ryan G

You know no matter what we are all in trouble, so I am no longer going to worry about this I am going to leave it up to God. My voice is not heard, so I am going to leave it to the one who created it all because at least than I know I did everything I could by voting and praying. Prayer does work if you just have faith. “Faith is a substance of things hoped for, but not yet seen” Hebrews 11:1

David
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David

Something has to give. If we don’t cut spending, we’re doomed, period. As with the millions who’re getting along in the ‘new’ economy, millions more will learn to do with a bit less. Start with entitlements, say a 2% to 3% reduction in benefits, then go after the myriad agencies that do nothing but use tax dollars. Simplify the tax structure (getting rid of the IRS) and set spending limits. Don’t do this and we’re Lesser Europastan inside of 5 years.

Dave Kawasaki
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Dave Kawasaki

Let them raise it for a specific time period with the provision that they slash spending by 25% immediately while conducting audits cross-referenced with the Constitution. If it’s not authorized, AXE IT. Sell off federally-owned property and real estate, get rid of punitive taxation for small business, and repeal the personal income tax. Announce a 30-day amnesty for illegals to GTFO, then close the border with the promise of 10 years at labor followed by deportation to all who remain, regardless of circumstance. Sit back and watch the nation prosper. Not the parasites.

Obadiah Plainman
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Obadiah Plainman

Where in the Constitution does it tell us how to audit the Federal government?

Once you do away with the personal income tax,which will take a Constitutional amendment, and you have run out Federal land and real estate, how will you raise revenue? Through tariffs?

Further how would u seal the border? We don’t have enough members of the Border Patrol as it is.And with a majority of the Army and Marines either deployed to our two wars, returning from said wars or preparing to deploy, you’d have to find another source to seal the border.

As for deporting them,where do they go? We can’t just drop them in Mexico.Unless you want to cause an international incident.

Diamondback
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Diamondback

It appears there is some credible debate as to whether the 16th Amendment was ever properly ratified.

Re. the Border situation: First, we could order sufficient numbers of the NG to assist the Border Guard. If we just pair one NG soldier with each Border Guard, we’ll DOUBLE the force along the border.

OR, the state governors could form a voluntary Citizen’s Militia.

Or, Border Sheriff’s could deputize large volunteer citizen Posses.

And, we could employ several drones like are being used in Afghanistan plus other types of aircraft, small planes and helicopters, etc.

OR, just invite citizen volunteers to come down, deploy out into the deserts and such and wreak havoc upon anyone attempting to illegally cross into our country.

There’s lots more that COULD be done IF the leadership in the states had the courage to just do it.

Just sayin’

Dave Kawasaki
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Dave Kawasaki

Common sense tells us how to audit the Feds. We don’t need an article or amendment to deal with such an obvious task. Where does the Constitution authorize SS/Medicare/WIC/TANF? As for revenue generation, there are untold numbers of taxes imposed on daily transactions such as stock trades, fuel purchases, etc. The personal income tax is unnecessary, and is a leading cause of gov’t overspending. The border could be closed through eminent domain and conversion to an infantry/armored/air support training area. Hell, they use it to convert private property for use by developers, why not for national security? If not that, ever hear of the Minutemen? There are plenty of private citizens who would deploy to close the border with that sh1thole called Mexico. Deport them back to their place of origin, and if they are anchor babies, back to their foreign parents’ place of origin. International incidents be damned. Hand-wringing… Read more »

miConsevative
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miConsevative

Gridlock? The House controls the purse. Go ahead. Have the Democrat Senate or Democrat President stop it. Then it’s on them. Don’t give me a symbolic vote to repeal Obamacare that has no chance of realistically doing anything, then turn around and tell me you have to vote to raise the debt ceiling. Just stop the [email protected] spending! Don’t know where – I’ll give you a place to start – cut the NEA, EPA, and other unnecessary regulatory boards – cut congressional staff and have them actually do the more of the work themselves that they are getting paid for, eliminate the duplicate/triplicate posts in the bureaucracy that we call the federal gov’t, put a freeze on unspent stimulus funds…need I go on? And I’m not getting paid to think of this stuff…we didn’t vote for these guys for them to get to D.C. just to whine,” B-b-b-but this is… Read more »

Anonymous
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Anonymous

They have to make it appear hard to justify their own existence, reelections, and ranking of seniority. Not to mention the mythical notion that only lawyers possess the necessary training/competence to do anything.

In the beginning there was the Committee of Style who’s entire purpose was to reword everything from obfuscating legalese to language that the layperson could wrap their head around without “two days and two lawyers.”

Diamondback
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Diamondback

On one thing, at least, we seem to agree Dan.

There are WAY TOO MANY LAWYERS writing and messing around with our laws. Most of the laws we’ve got today are the result of lawyers writing them for special interest groups and bribing congresscritters and senators into getting them passed. The governments SOLE PURPOSE is to PROTECT our individual rights and liberties. The majority of laws on the books these days have nothing to do with that and should be repealed.

Robert Timsah
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Robert Timsah

If I’m the GOP I’d go ahead and vote to increase the debt ceiling as long as President Obama signs a letter admitting it’s his fault if we eventually default anyway. You don’t want a situation to where the world economic (clown) system collapses and the GOP is held to blame by the largely progressive media. That’s when sh will get tyrannical and scary.

Dessic
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Dessic

Obama could hold a press conference accepting blame for everything and it wouldn’t stop the media from saying it was the Republicans who were really at fault.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

They would make him out to be the new Jesus for such “martyrdom.”

GEDouglas
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GEDouglas

If the republicans allow this they are admitting they do not get it. Congress raises the debt ceiling every two or three years and spend until they reach it only to raise it again. STOP!

Tony Neville
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Tony Neville

Yes, and how can it be called a debt ceiling when congress raises it every two or three years?

Anonymous
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Anonymous

Shhhhhhh, stop thinking so much, just accept government goodies and shut your brain off for a few decades. /sarc

Noogie
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Noogie

This is the ‘are you a socialist moment’. You see, if you are unwilling to NOT raise the debt ceiling to continue the social security payments, you are not serious about killing the government beast. You want financial reform with a “little” socialism.

Its soft on crime attitudes like this that need to be curtailed, ASAP. The stakes are too great. If soc sec payments are threatened, cut away mil spending or better yet, the FEDERAL GOV.

snowshooze
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snowshooze

I will take Mom and Dad in if I need to. At one time, four generations lived in our house, and it can be done again rather than become a bunch of communists and have to do it anyway, just without the freedom of choice.

Mikemorrison281
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Mikemorrison281

Or in other words, live communally…republicans will fail us, too. Just look at what the leadership is doing to the Tea Party republican freshmen and the true conservatives in the house and senate like Michelle Bachmann and Jim DeMint.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

I agree, it’s time to tighten the belt and suck it up. We need to draw hard lines and stick to them. It IS going to hurt, but the healing will happen after.

m_quick
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m_quick

”We knew when we elected them this time that all we could hope for is gridlock.” Exactly. I think a lot of folks know this, but maybe figured that since we had a historic landslide for Republicans that something more would happen. We basically have electoral blue balls from being taken to the point of climax but then having to step back from going all the way. Right now, we should be comforted that no more bills like Obamacare or the Stimulus will be shoved down our throats. I hated waking up each day last year, wondering what these corrupt bastards in Washington were going to do to us next, against our will. Limbaugh made a good analogy during the lame duck: The Democrats have been having their way with us for the past 2 (or 4 if you just count congress) years, we told them no in November, but… Read more »

Patzermom
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Patzermom

Unfortunately, runaway entities such as the EPA can still hurt us – and they will. DRASTICALLY.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

A Republican President worked with a Democrat congress to continue to spend other people’s money and borrow against their names in the face of dismal polling and outraged cries of “no.”

There is NO reason whatsoever to think that a Republican House won’t work with a Democrat President and Senate.

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