BREAKING: Democratic governor becomes the FIRST to veto National Popular Vote bill

Democrats are still stewing about Trump losing the popular vote in 2016 but winning the electoral college votes to become president. And in Nevada, the legislature tried to do something about it and passed a bill that would have pledged their electoral votes to whomever won the national popular vote.

But their Democratic governor just put the kibosh on this bill with a big fat veto:



In other words the governor is saying this ridiculous law could take their state’s voice away when they feel they need it most.

For example let’s pretend the opposite happened in 2016, that Trump won the popular vote but Hillary won the electoral college. If Democratic states like Nevada had a new law like this, they’d be obliged to give their electoral votes to Trump and could end up giving him the victory over Hillary.

Nevada Independent explains it this way:

If approved, the bill would have tied Nevada to a compact of states agreeing to pledge their electoral votes to the winner of the national popular vote, but would only take effect until enough states had joined the compact to eclipse the 270 electoral vote threshold. So far, 15 states with a total of 189 electoral votes have joined the compact, with Colorado, Delaware and New Mexico approving laws to join the initiative.

They are 81 electoral votes away from turning this into a reality. I should remind you that Hillary only got 227-ish electoral votes in 2016 so it seems like an uphill battle for this to reach 270.

But even if it did could it withstand a court challenge? I doubt it.

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107 thoughts on “BREAKING: Democratic governor becomes the FIRST to veto National Popular Vote bill

  1. Imagine the outcry if and when a conservative wins the popular vote and CA could, in theory, have to cast their EC votes for them.

    1. I’m still predicting the residents of CA and NY will turn on the Democrat Party in the near future.

      1. I don’t think CA as a whole would but I imagine there could be a serious push to break up the state into several smaller states

  2. If every single person in Nevada voted Democrat and the popular vote went Republican then Nevada goes red? What idiot didn’t think that bill through? You totally rip away your state’s voice. And you’d totally peeve people off. You might at well just have the governor spin the roulette wheel and say black is Democrat and red is Republican.

  3. Glad to see some sanity come to the forefront of this issue. The irony here is that Delaware being one of the original 13 fought against the Virginia model of government because of being based on population and helped get the compromise of the bicameral congress of House and Senate.

    Guess the citizens of Delaware don’t need to worry about future presidential elections if this ever came to pass. They just disenfranchised themselves. Good grief!

  4. Good for the guv! Shows there are some sane Democrats among us though I think they are getting fewer in number. 🙁

  5. Good for him and good for him for explaining it to the dummies that think they’re smarter than our Founders and don’t know what it is they’re asking for.

  6. Not all heros wear capes. I hope this man is prepared to be excoriated by the commie outrage mob

  7. At least one Democrat isn’t willing to break our Republic for political power.

  8. Glad to see common sense getting a victory. We’re working on overturning this stupid law in Colorado.

  9. Democrats won’t be happy either way. If the hypothetical mentioned actually happened they would bitch that Nevada was forced to put it’s vote behind Trump even though the state voted for Hillary. Only then would they realize how stupid this bill is.

    They should just be honest and say they want to legislate an automatic state vote going to the Democrats. No need to go vote because Democrats already win.

    1. @kong1967 No, Democrats are never happy. You know how many Dem’s it takes to change a lightbulb? None, they’d rather sit in the dark and blame Trump.

      1. @dr-strangelove Lol….here’s another punch line for that…..

        Two. The politician sits on the voter’s shoulders with the voter’s head up his arse.

        Ok…I tried. Yours is better.

          1. @david-jenson Has anyone replied to you that was able to get your name to pop up under the format like you did to me? I’ve tried and nothing comes up for your name.

        1. @kong1967 Good one. Remember what Igor Stravinsky said: “Good artists borrow, but great artists steal.”

  10. WE ARE A REPUBLIC!!! NOT a democracy!!! These people are pushing the boundaries of constitutionality imo. I’m glad he vetoed it. EVERY governor should imo.

    1. Agree. We live in Nevada now and have an uphill battle with all the CA peeps moving here bringing their liberal leaning ideas with them. They love the low cost of living but don’t get they will drive it up if they continue to vote blue.

        1. Yep, and we moved from that area in 2012 to Ohio. When it went for 0 that year I cried myself to sleep. We’re happy to be in Nevada now. One airplane ride away from either daughter and family.

      1. I’m a 40 year old male trying to raise a little girl here in California. Wish me luck, wisdom and sanity.

        Hopefully when I retire I can leave this state. California is gone. Will never vote R in my lifetime.

      2. @gigi0f4grands Whatever you do, don’t tell them that Iowa has the lowest cost of living!

        1. Never, Doc! Besides it’s way too far away from “culture” in their eyes. My dad was born and raised in Iowa, Pulaski. I spent three summers 1957-59 with my grandmother on the farm seven miles from Belle Plaine. It’s an awesome state.

          1. @gigi0f4grands I live straight east of there, on the river. Iowa is a lot better than Illinois, I’ll say that.

  11. Well, a democrat governor in my now home state made the correct decision. I’m glad he did. The rest of the D knuckle heads are useless. But we are new here and will continue to fight to make Nevada Red once again.

    1. @gigi0f4grands

      You should write your governor a thank you letter and let him know someone in his state stands behind his decision, even though he’s a Democrat he made a bold decision against the wishes of his batshit crazy party.

  12. All this does is possibly hurt Democrats Most of the states that signed on are reliably blue. That is assuming that it survives a constitutional challenge

  13. I cry foul! President Trump WON the popular vote when you take away the illegal votes!!!

  14. Pres candidates have no incentive to campaign in these states after the primary. Trump will figure out how to get CA (federal reform of Wildfires, irrigation, transportation, land mgmt).

  15. The more likely scenario would be that Trump got the popular vote as well as the electoral college, in 2020.

    Then regardless of how those states voted he would get their electoral votes giving him 100% of the the the electoral college! Imagine how Trump would crow… a 100% mandate… after that, I’m pretty sure it would go back to normal… so I was kinda hoping this would happen.

  16. This is excellent news, coming on the heels of a good (though irritatingly written) article at FiveThirtyEight blog that was posted this morning…

    Nathaniel Rakich (fivethirtyeight): The Movement To Skip The Electoral College Is Picking Up Steam

    Though this political suicide compact is gaining steam (just like the Jonestown and Heaven’s Gate chumps managed to add followers), it faces hard obstacles, as mentioned at the end of the article by Mr. Rakich. So skim to the end.

    One such obstacle is state governments coming to their senses. They get NOTHING from this compact.

    Zero.

    The nth root of Zero.

    Sweet Fanny Adams.

    The value of a “Studies” degree.

    A holey condom.

    The exchange rate in $USD for The Bolivar, less fees.

    The chance that Joe Biden becomes less creepy.

    Your tenuous hold on flatulence after a night of beer and burritos.

    The chance that Marvel Comics will regain readers in the next few years.

    Michael Avenatti’s chances for the Dem nomination in 2020.

    Zip.

    Zilch.

    Nada.

  17. Good for the Nevada Governor.

    States cannot nullify the US Constitution with State laws that refuse to abide by the Electoral College.

    If a State refuses to give their allotted electoral college delegates to the rightful winner of that States general election for Pres and VP, then those allotted Electoral College delegate votes with not be counted towards the total Electoral Count for Pres and VP, thus the States resident voters will have been cheated out of their electoral decision.

    If enough States blocks the 270 Electoral count needed to determine the winner of the general election, and or the Electoral count ends in a Electoral College delegate count tie, then the vote to decide the winner of the general election for Pres goes to Congress.

    States cannot change the US Constitutional process, other than a Constitutional Amendment.

    The United States of America is a Constitutional Republic, not a direct democracy, aka mobacracy.

    The Supreme Law of the Land is the United States Constitution, NOT Calif, Nev, NY, etc

  18. These dumbass bills are meaningless. As someone posted below, I doubt this would survive a SCOTUS challenge. It’s gonna take a CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT, BOYS AND GIRLS! (And LGBTQ, LSMFTs). You’d be more productive having another “Scream At The Sky” Night; or pounding on the 13 ton bronze doors of the Supreme Court!

  19. The more likely scenario would be that Trump got the popular vote as well as the electoral college, in 2020.

    Then regardless of how those states voted he would get their electoral votes giving him 100% of the the the electoral college! Imagine how Trump would crow… a 100% mandate… after that, I’m pretty sure it would go back to normal… so I was kinda hoping this would happen.

  20. Good for him and good for him for explaining it to the dummies that think they’re smarter than our Founders and don’t know what it is they’re asking for.

  21. I honestly don’t see how states can legally nullify the electorate college. The constitution is very particular how presidential elections are supposed to go, and states are claiming its a states right to ignore the the law which Trumps (pun intended) all other laws in the nation

  22. Not all heros wear capes. I hope this man is prepared to be excoriated by the commie outrage mob

  23. How about which candidate wins the most counties?

    Sorry Ds, Los Angeles and New York don’t speak for the rest of us.

  24. These dumbass bills are meaningless. As someone posted below, I doubt this would survive a SCOTUS challenge. It’s gonna take a CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT, BOYS AND GIRLS! (And LGBTQ, LSMFTs). You’d be more productive having another “Scream At The Sky” Night; or pounding on the 13 ton bronze doors of the Supreme Court!

  25. Democrats won’t be happy either way. If the hypothetical mentioned actually happened they would bitch that Nevada was forced to put it’s vote behind Trump even though the state voted for Hillary. Only then would they realize how stupid this bill is.

    They should just be honest and say they want to legislate an automatic state vote going to the Democrats. No need to go vote because Democrats already win.

    1. @kong1967 No, Democrats are never happy. You know how many Dem’s it takes to change a lightbulb? None, they’d rather sit in the dark and blame Trump.

      1. @dr-strangelove Lol….here’s another punch line for that…..

        Two. The politician sits on the voter’s shoulders with the voter’s head up his arse.

        Ok…I tried. Yours is better.

          1. @david-jenson Has anyone replied to you that was able to get your name to pop up under the format like you did to me? I’ve tried and nothing comes up for your name.

                1. @dr-strangelove Sometimes word association works to remember something. Associated Press = AP which will bring the pop-up for his name in the format we use. I’ve had mixed results using it in the past, because you also have to remember the association.

                2. @kong1967 I see. I think that I have aphazel locked in. I’ve only had limited success with word association.

        1. @kong1967 Good one. Remember what Igor Stravinsky said: “Good artists borrow, but great artists steal.”

  26. Well, a democrat governor in my now home state made the correct decision. I’m glad he did. The rest of the D knuckle heads are useless. But we are new here and will continue to fight to make Nevada Red once again.

    1. @gigi0f4grands

      You should write your governor a thank you letter and let him know someone in his state stands behind his decision, even though he’s a Democrat he made a bold decision against the wishes of his batshit crazy party.

  27. All this does is possibly hurt Democrats Most of the states that signed on are reliably blue. That is assuming that it survives a constitutional challenge

  28. Glad to see common sense getting a victory. We’re working on overturning this stupid law in Colorado.

  29. At least one Democrat isn’t willing to break our Republic for political power.

  30. WE ARE A REPUBLIC!!! NOT a democracy!!! These people are pushing the boundaries of constitutionality imo. I’m glad he vetoed it. EVERY governor should imo.

    1. Agree. We live in Nevada now and have an uphill battle with all the CA peeps moving here bringing their liberal leaning ideas with them. They love the low cost of living but don’t get they will drive it up if they continue to vote blue.

        1. Yep, and we moved from that area in 2012 to Ohio. When it went for 0 that year I cried myself to sleep. We’re happy to be in Nevada now. One airplane ride away from either daughter and family.

      1. @gigi0f4grands Whatever you do, don’t tell them that Iowa has the lowest cost of living!

        1. Never, Doc! Besides it’s way too far away from “culture” in their eyes. My dad was born and raised in Iowa, Pulaski. I spent three summers 1957-59 with my grandmother on the farm seven miles from Belle Plaine. It’s an awesome state.

          1. @gigi0f4grands I live straight east of there, on the river. Iowa is a lot better than Illinois, I’ll say that.

      2. I’m a 40 year old male trying to raise a little girl here in California. Wish me luck, wisdom and sanity.

        Hopefully when I retire I can leave this state. California is gone. Will never vote R in my lifetime.

  31. Imagine the outcry if and when a conservative wins the popular vote and CA could, in theory, have to cast their EC votes for them.

    1. I’m still predicting the residents of CA and NY will turn on the Democrat Party in the near future.

      1. I don’t think CA as a whole would but I imagine there could be a serious push to break up the state into several smaller states

  32. If every single person in Nevada voted Democrat and the popular vote went Republican then Nevada goes red? What idiot didn’t think that bill through? You totally rip away your state’s voice. And you’d totally peeve people off. You might at well just have the governor spin the roulette wheel and say black is Democrat and red is Republican.

  33. Glad to see some sanity come to the forefront of this issue. The irony here is that Delaware being one of the original 13 fought against the Virginia model of government because of being based on population and helped get the compromise of the bicameral congress of House and Senate.

    Guess the citizens of Delaware don’t need to worry about future presidential elections if this ever came to pass. They just disenfranchised themselves. Good grief!

  34. As Nevada’s governor, I am obligated to make such decisions according to my own conscience.

    Well that, and the Constitution.

    And while he got the right answer here, that should also come as a warning. Here’s a Democrat who’s not as stupid as the stereotype is. I never know which are more dangerous – the smart ones who can think long-term, or the crazy ones who advocate insanity.

  35. The debate over whether this would be constitutional is actually a fascinating one, and both sides have very strong arguments. I tend to come down on this being constitutional (which is different from the side of this being a good idea), but it really could go either way.

    No matter the outcome of the inevitable challenge if this thing passes, it will certainly result in a fascinating opinion about the meaning of the interstate compact clause—an issue that has barely been explored in the country’s entire history.

    1. Is the “pro” argument based on the notion that Electors aren’t bound to vote for the person they pledged to, meaning that the law could compel them to do otherwise on the basis of winning the popular vote? That’s the immediate argument that comes to mind if I were defending the law.

      1. The pro argument is that the state gets to decide the manner of choosing its electors. The constitution doesn’t require the states to hold elections and then have the electors vote for whomever wins.

        The anti argument is that this is an interstate compact that requires the consent of congress.

  36. Good for the guv! Shows there are some sane Democrats among us though I think they are getting fewer in number. 🙁

  37. Vetoed on the basis of federalism and proper state representation and by a DEMOCRAT no less!

  38. I honestly don’t see how states can legally nullify the electorate college. The constitution is very particular how presidential elections are supposed to go, and states are claiming its a states right to ignore the the law which Trumps (pun intended) all other laws in the nation

  39. How about which candidate wins the most counties?

    Sorry Ds, Los Angeles and New York don’t speak for the rest of us.

  40. As Nevada’s governor, I am obligated to make such decisions according to my own conscience.

    Well that, and the Constitution.

    And while he got the right answer here, that should also come as a warning. Here’s a Democrat who’s not as stupid as the stereotype is. I never know which are more dangerous – the smart ones who can think long-term, or the crazy ones who advocate insanity.

  41. The debate over whether this would be constitutional is actually a fascinating one, and both sides have very strong arguments. I tend to come down on this being constitutional (which is different from the side of this being a good idea), but it really could go either way.

    No matter the outcome of the inevitable challenge if this thing passes, it will certainly result in a fascinating opinion about the meaning of the interstate compact clause—an issue that has barely been explored in the country’s entire history.

    1. Is the “pro” argument based on the notion that Electors aren’t bound to vote for the person they pledged to, meaning that the law could compel them to do otherwise on the basis of winning the popular vote? That’s the immediate argument that comes to mind if I were defending the law.

      1. The pro argument is that the state gets to decide the manner of choosing its electors. The constitution doesn’t require the states to hold elections and then have the electors vote for whomever wins.

        The anti argument is that this is an interstate compact that requires the consent of congress.

  42. Vetoed on the basis of federalism and proper state representation and by a DEMOCRAT no less!

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