BREAKING: Justin Amash OUT of Freedom Caucus

It’s being reported now that Justin Amash is no longer a part of the Freedom Caucus as of a meeting tonight:

CNN – Rep. Justin Amash on Monday stepped down from the conservative House Freedom Caucus less than a month after becoming the first Republican member of Congress to say President Donald Trump has committed impeachable offenses.

“I have the highest regard for them and they’re my close friends,” he told CNN. “I didn’t want to be a further distraction for the group.”

Amash, who was a founding member of the group, told CNN in March that he had stopped going to Freedom Caucus meetings after clashing for months with members over the group’s direction under Trump.

He told CNN he had attended a House Freedom Caucus board meeting before House votes on Monday night to announce he would step aside from both the board and the group as a whole. The other members didn’t know he would be going to the meeting.

“It was a positive meeting. It wasn’t negative,” Amash said.

He emphasized his decision was voluntary and that he remains on good terms with his colleagues.

Amash remains the only sitting Republican to publicly say Trump committed impeachable offenses based on his reading of Mueller’s report. He has said it would be appropriate for House Speaker Nancy Pelosi to move ahead with an impeachment inquiry.



“…after clashing for months with members over the group’s direction under Trump”. Yeah his anti-Trump attitude has been going on for months apparently.

Well the Freedom Caucus will be better without him I suppose, especially if he keeps sticking with this impeachment garbage.

I’m sure I’d respect Amash for other positions he might take, but this is one that destroys his reputation. And probably his future as a congressman.

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AT
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What direction is the FC going under Trump?

rjp977
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Should be renamed the Trump sycophant caucus because clearly smaller government and more freedom is not supported by this administration.

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By the middle of 2017, the Freedom Caucus realized that Trump was never going to get spending under control. Most of its members threw in the towel and now blindly support whatever Trump does. I would rename it the Weasel Caucus.

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I’ve seen Amash apologists claim he’s a “libertarian,” which is better than being a conservative… they talk about his 90%+ conservative voting record. What do you call someone who supports the weaponization of US intel agencies?

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Yeah his anti-Trump attitude has been going on for months apparently.

Think about that timeline. Even before Barr came along, my guess is that Amash was buying into the whole “Russian collusion” narrative. Even before the Mueller report, Amash had been on a course that was going to support impeachment if the Mueller report provided even the barest of excuses.

Amash really turned his back on his principles quickly. As I’ve said, I understand somewhat his distaste for Trump. But look at the abuse of the FISA system. Amash was a champion for FISA restraint in the past, and here we have a textbook example of government overreach in using the FISC to go after a political campaign… but Amash has committed more to his hatred of Trump than to his principles of small/unintrusive government.

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As most on here know I’m not a huge fan of Trump but I’ve warmed up to him since because he’s actually impressed me on several occasions. Is he anywhere near Reagan level? Not to my mind BUT he’s done some very good things and he’s brought hope back to many Americans. (And he’s light years better than Hillary!) My point for saying all that is that so-called conservatives like Amash are an embarrassment. We may not really care for a president’s character but if he’s doing the things you voted for then you eat the fruit and spit out the seeds. Trump has done nothing to deserve impeachment (disagreeing with him or not caring for his character are not reasons) and if twits like Amash jump on this ridiculous bandwagon over possible ignorant missteps by Trump then he’ll insure that any future Republican/Constitutional Party/Libertarian/Conservative, etc., president will be automatically… Read more »

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Agreed.

I personally think Trump’s a schmuck and often bends, if not breaks in half the “truth,” but he did NOT “collude with Russians” and only a man like Amash, whose hatred for Trump BEFORE the Mueller report was released was on display, could draw the conclusions he drew.

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Well bye, you sealed your own fate, no one else . To say that Pres. Trump has committed impeachable offenses is ludicrous, I don’t feel a bit bad for Amash . I do have to wonder who got to him or does he believe his accusations.
facepalmg

xsnake
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The bad news…..he’s not yet on “suicide watch.”

Tracy
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I dont care how good he votes, if he is open borders it is all for nothing. We dont have a nation with open borders.

Kram Nivel
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His inner nevertrumper got the best of him. Good riddance.

Proud Nana
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Kram NivelKram Nivel Yep.

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Sad when a conservative has to isolate himself because, well, even conservatives don’t like challenging thought.
I’m not saying all of the freedom caucus by any means is still not a small ray of hope in a congress filled with driftwood but it’s a shame a member of the caucus can’t have a differing opinion then the rest and his only option is to have to leave. How very Democrat of everyone.

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He wasn’t asked to leave.

Ronbo
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I didn’t say he was. You said he felt compelled to leave. “Have to leave”.

Kathleen
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Amash is the weak one here. He has no support from the Republicans so he leaves the caucus? What kind of leader is that?

The Sane Silence Dogood
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It is a clear failure of said leadership. You lead in the direction of the leader above you. Or you step aside.

Ronbo
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You have to be a leader to have a different opinion? I don’t agree with him but he should feel shunned enough to leave? I thought only Democrats do that?

Proud Nana
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RonboRonbo He left on his own.

BlackR1
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HE left the Freedom Caucus, he wasn’t ousted.

Further, his “conclusions” drawn from the Mueller report were nothing short of preposterous and obviously borne from hatred.

Trump can be an a**clown at times, but he didn’t “collude with Russia” and remember, Volume 1 of the report DID exonerate the President while Volume 2 was nothing but hearsay, conjecture and unverifiable quotes. If Volume 2 WERE based on FACT, then Volume 1 would NOT have exonerated Trump.

Volume 2 was a GIFT by Mueller to the liberal Democrats. Just as the Dems paid Steele for the Dossier to try to defeat Trump in 2016, they paid Mueller (with OUR tax $$$’s) for a “Dossier” to defeat him in 2020, and ironically, BOTH are full of $**t!

Ronbo
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You all are Trumpkins. I forgot: no room to say anything contrary or even different except to toe the Trump line.
My bad. Where do I report for the re-education camp?

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I don’t think calling out Trump when he’s wrong is necessarily “anti-Trump”, any more than when I correct my child being thought “anti-child.”

For the record, Trump has committed impeachable offenses. Had Obama done what Trump has done (i.e. banned bump stocks, threatened to ban silencers), we’d all be calling for his ouster. And rightly.

Let’s call balls and strikes. We’re not cheerleaders.

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Yeah just imagine if Amash called that out instead of embracing the police state tactics used against Trump.

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When is Amash going to attack the FISA abuse under the Obama administration that led to the whole Mueller investigation? At the town hall the other day, a young lady pointed this out to him and rather than honestly address her concern he dodged. The guy sounded like Schiff in that moment. Why has Amash attacked Barr? Barr has done everything by the book. With Barr’s stated and actualized intention to release the Mueller report, every claim that Barr sought to lie to Congress was shown to be false. Why has Amash adopted the political rhetoric of Nadler? Why is Amash quitting the Freedom Caucus? Conservative/Libertarians are independent thinkers who often disagree. They’re not like the lock-step collectivists on the left. Why wouldn’t Amash stay in the FC and rationally advocate his positions? I really have liked Amash. I used to get his Facebook updates for each Congressional vote and… Read more »

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A reporter accused Amash of not being critical of Obama as well. Amash responded with a dozen or so links where he had, in fact, done the same to Obama. A simple Google search would have showed this. It just wasn’t a story then. Everyone was doing it. Barr’s synopses of the Report left out everything but “no collusion”, which I personally think was the right thing to do. That was the point of the investigation. Amash disagrees, and thinks the tenor and tone of the Report should have been included, as well as the alleged criminal behavior and personal peccadilloes therein. I think that’s what the Report was for. As of yet, I’ve met exactly one person who I know for sure has read the entire report besides myself. Anyone having NOT read it should also NOT have an opinion on it. As far as I can tell not… Read more »

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As far as I can tell not one Right Scoop commenter has read the full report. My calculus on that is three-fold: 1. If there was no collusion (and no one disputes that), there was no obstruction. We always knew that Mueller’s report was going to be a Hail Mary to the Democrats in order to give weak grounds for impeachment. Why buy into their narrative that’s broken from the get-go because there was no collusion? 2. We already know that Mueller’s team put out a piece of propaganda. We have at least two instances where the Mueller report either edited a conversation heavily or omitted important details that would have completely changed the character of the accusations. Why should we trust it at all? 3. Maybe at some later date when there are as few redactions as possible, I might look into it. Until then, 1 & 2 are… Read more »

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I agree with all 3 of your points to a degree. However, I would caution you on having such a strong opinion regarding a document you have not read.

Regarding Obama’s FISA abuse, Amash has publicly and vociferously criticized it his entire political career. Easy Google search. Really.

And finally, congress can’t pass a law that limits a constitutionally protected right. They’d have to amend the constitution. Therefore, a president cannot arbitrarily ban a firearm, even if congress told him to.

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Regarding Obama’s FISA abuse, Amash has publicly and vociferously criticized it his entire political career

Yes, I agree that Amash has been good in general on the overall purview of the FISA courts in the past.

I’m talking specifically about this case of FISA abuse used to get warrants to surveil the Trump campaign in 2016.

There would be no Mueller report without that specific FISA abuse. Holding anything in the Mueller investigation against Trump is like using drug evidence obtained by cops who broke into a suspect’s house without a warrant. Worse, to keep with the analogy, the cops planted the drugs!

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Justin, we hardly knew ya.

rjp977
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Good. He’s better than those guys. Freedom Caucus is a joke.

Kathleen
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Why is he better? Is it because he’s anti-Trump?

Texas Chris
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Because his principles didn’t change with the party of the president.

Kathleen
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DIsagreement is one thing. It’s wasted effort to pursue impeachment – not butthurt. He left the caucus and is looking to glow – not lead.

Texas Chris
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He FOUNDED the caucus to pull the House to the right. The caucus has become a cheerleading camp for the President.

Amash’s principles having not changed, what choice does he have? Sell out his small government republican libertarianism? Or retain his principles and leave the group?

We call for a constitutional republic, yet we scorn the constitutional republican.

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I’m attacking Amash for foolishly pursuing impeachment. Amash is putting conservative principles aside to grandstand. Amash is attempting to bust out. He’s a fool.

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Look, I didn’t vote for Trump. I wouldn’t bring him home for dinner. He’s a dumpster fire. With that said, he’s furthered the conservative cause more than ANY other president in history. He’s gone farther down his promise list than any other. That alone is respectable without what he’s done for the economy. Add that and will I vote for him in 2020? Oh hell yes. I don’t have to like someone to want his style of leadership. But on a side note Chris, what has he done that is actually impeachable? If I remember correctly, a high crime or misdemeanor needs to have been committed and none has been to date or they’d already have started the process.

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No. All he has to do is piss off 2/3 of the House and 2/3 of the senate. Period.

No actual crime is required, or defined, by the constitution.

Conduct unbecoming is impeachable.

Bad hair is impeachable.

Being of a different political party is impeachable.

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Your argument is getting weaker.

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You have a very different definition of “promise list” than I do. Trump mostly ran on building a border wall and securing the border. He gets an “F” for both. In fact, illegal border crossings are worse under Trump than under Obama, who wanted open borders.

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What principles is he holding too? The Mueller report is reason to impeach? That’s his whole thing, right?

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Nah, he’s a principles guy. He’s mad Trump hasn’t reversed the major direction Obama was going. There’s till bigger spending, more gun control, spying on Americans, foreign wars, and systemic corruption. Trump has done some good things, but by and large the swamp remains undrained.

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Agreed. Amash has’t changed his message. Folks are just butthurt that he’s rightfully critical of Trump.

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Texas ChrisTexas Chris Chris, in all due respect how is Amash rightfully critical , he said Pres. Trump has committed impeachable offenses, that’s just crazy talk and like Mueller he has zero proof of that. To criticize is one thing but to say Trump has committed impeachable offenses is way over the top.

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All presidents commit impeachable offenses! The second they take their hand off the Bible after giving their oath, they’ve broken that oath. 99% of the federal government is unconstitutional. To preside over that leviathan is to break his oath of office. To increase the scope of that monstrosity is very much a High Crime by the measure of the founders. Impeachment isn’t about statutory criminal behavior. It’s a tool to remove a president who has fallen out of political favor. Crimes of statute make it easier, yes. But all that is required is for their oath to be perceived as violated, and the political theater of impeachment can begin. Remember, when the Constitution was written there were no federal laws for a president to break. The process of impeachment precedes the Federal Register. Impeachment isn’t about broken federal laws. It’s about broken personal oaths and behavior, or how those are… Read more »

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Amash sealed his doom by making false statements about Trump that he had no way of confirming. He is now completely devoid of credibility in the voter’s minds.

Texas Chris
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That’s true except he did exactly the opposite, he gave a very detailed explanation of his accusations in writing, and then did a 2 hour town hall in his district where he laid out the case against Trump.

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And what was the case? I watched it and must’ve missed the part where he had a “case” at all.

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What did he say that was false?

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Last Friday in Grand Rapids, Mi. Some of Justin’s former voters had a Squash Amash rally in front of his office, Justin forgot to represent his voter base, Justin is representing his TDS.

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He showed his true colors. He’s needs to move to the left and join the democrats.

Texas Chris
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He’s criticizing Trump from the right. Make no mistake, you are to the left of Amash.

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He’s not just criticizing, Chris. He’s pursuing impeachment with little or no support from his party. He’s not leading here. He’s grandstanding.

Texas Chris
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“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.” -Mark Twain

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I guess the Democrats are the patriots, right, Chris? I mean, Amash is jumping on the train.

Texas Chris
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You’re better than that.

Honest criticism is not the same as hair-on-fire Chicken Little temper tantrums. And you know that.

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As it should be.

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I read somewhere that Amash has business ties with China. Is that true? and is it affecting his decision making?

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I heard a saying once. You can be right with your decisions 100 times in a row, but all it takes is one mistake to “get the town talking”. Congrats to Amash for maintaining a nearly perfect conservative voting record, but by publicly calling for Trump’s impeachment and siding with Dems on that he literally threw a turd into his own punch bowl. Sad he would destroy his career by crusading against Trump for no reason and literally falling on his own sword.

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Consistency isn’t maintained if one has lost perspective. But the pretense of consistency afterward is a very ugly thing. It does damage to the principles one points to as an excuse for a position the principles do not support.

Keeping a legal campaign promise is not a high crime. It’s also not a misdemeanor. Amash should know better.

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Amash has stayed true to his principles. He hasn’t changed just because it’s a Republican in office.

That Republican, however, has certainly violated some campaign promises. I remember being told he was going to eliminate the deficit: he increased spending by over 17%. I was told he was strong on 2A: he banned bump stocks, says he’d violate due process and “take the guns first”, and now he’s making noises about banning suppressors.

Amash is right. Trump is imminently impeachable. It’s just that the Democrats don’t want to impeach him on violation of the 2nd Amendment or War Powers.

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What does the deficit, bump stocks, etc. have to do with impeachment?

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Impeachment is a political act, not a criminal. Untruths and failed promises are plenary grounds for impeachment. Further, Mueller cites a plethora of actual crimes Trump and his administration committed in his report. Sure, he cleared the Russia garbage, but Mueller compiled a biased, yet damning, report of impeachable activity.

Keep in mind, the bar for removing a president is VERY low. That bar is, literally, 2/3 of the senate doesn’t like you. Done. He can be tossed out.

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Your argument is weak and foolish. It’s semantics at this point. You waste breath defending ‘2/3 of the senate doesn’t like you.’

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Untruths and failed promises are plenary grounds for impeachment

On planet Delusion, maybe. Here on Earth, that is complete gibberish. It’s like something Maxine Waters would say.

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That was unnecessarily mean, Bob. You’re better than that.

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Who cares about bump stocks. I mean really… Do they hinder you? No. Does it make the weapon more like a true automatic? Yeah. With that said, don’t get me wrong, I will die defending my right to own weapons but I’m not dying on the hill of bump stocks cause they just don’t matter. It’s the bigger picture that is important.

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Bump stocks matter because government takes liberty incrementally. It’s boiling frogs.

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And this is impeachable?

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“Violated campaign promises”

What was it, an underage promise?

Amash is not only wrong, but being stupid at the same time. I half wish the House would impeach, just so the Senate can hold a trial to show what weak, fluffed-up, bullsh*t charges they are pushing.

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Play stupid games…

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Rep. Justin Amash on Monday stepped down from the conservative House Freedom Caucus less than a month after becoming the first Republican member of Congress to say President Donald Trump has committed impeachable offenses.

They’re still calling him the first Republican member of Congress to call for impeachment.

Seems by now they’d be admitting he’s the only one.

I guess they were hoping others would follow. But they couldn’t just admit it, so they tried to imply it.

Amash remains the only sitting Republican to publicly say Trump committed impeachable offenses

If he was the only one after nearly a month of waiting, why did they ever say he was the first?

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You know “first” and ”only” aren’t mutually exclusive, right? And the jury is still out on whether he’ll remain the only. If they had said “ he is the only so [email protected] I’m sure that would have been criticized too.

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I won’t speak for him, but your habit of insulting other poster’s intelligence is getting tiresome. You are majoring in missing the point. If I could block you, I would.

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AvatarIn_Russet_Shadows Well said! I absolutely agree.

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He will remain being the “only one” due to the fact that Trump has not committed an impeachable crime. If “HE HAD” he wouldn’t be in office anymore with these rabid leftist democrats now would he? Next????

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You don’t seem to understand the impeachment/trial process.

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Buh bye, don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

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Don’t forget to contact Wayne Lapieere in the Swamp I heard he has a fetish for expensive funny looking clothes.

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Lets kick the guy with 100% conservative voting record via freedom works out of the freedom caucus.

This kind of idiocy is why the Republicans are never actually conservative.

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Did you read what Amash said? He wanted to leave the group.

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Get real he was kicked out over a single disagreement. What he said was broiler plate statements designed to not down talk the freedom caucus.
The freedom caucus is a good idea but too many politicians in it who are still voting for things they said they are against.

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Get real? I’m going by what Amash said and you don’t get to choose what he ‘means’. Stick with the topic. Why is Amash’s pursuit of impeachment conservative?

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You get real. He left on his own accord. Full stop.

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Impeachment of the President is a conservative act?

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Of course it is… /s

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It is if there are strong grounds for impeachment. If conservatives won’t stand up for the rule of law, who will?

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T-ump…… You believe Trump should be impeached — that it’s a conservative move? Rome is burning and you’re reading People magazine.

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I don’t believe he should be impeached, and really hope he isn’t. I do believe, based on my reading of the facts presented and my understanding of the law, that there is a strong case that he obstructed justice, intentionally violated campaign law, and that he has shown little regard for the rule of law. As someone who takes a traditionally conservative view of the importance of rule of law, this concerns me greatly and I worry about our future as a nation. To my mind, it is a grave mistake to only care about the rule of law when it suits our short term political interests. The reason I don’t believe he should be impeached is that, in this hyper-partisan environment, it would be nothing but a divisive political circus (on both sides) and, given that there is no way the Senate will convict, I’d rather they all not… Read more »

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There aren’t. What rule of law has been broken? Child, just stop. You act like all the dossier hasn’t just been one long train wreck of lies. Do you still know as little as we all did in September, 2016?

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So tell us mr. smart guy, what is the grounds? Where is the high crime and/or misdemeanor? I’ll wait.

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If (imaginary thing that never happened) then (hypothetical outcome).

Real strong argument there. /s

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That’s his argument though.

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Sure can be, it is conservative if congress slows down powers taken away from them. Only congress for example can declare war but the last few presidents including this one have ignored that.

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If so, why is Amash acting now?

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Then I guess we should impeach Obama posthumously then no? Since he was declaring war every time he droned civilians in those sh*thole countries then.

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AUMF-Afghanistan and AUMF-Iraq met the Constitutional requirements for a declaration of war.

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Ozzy, His own comments and supporting Nancy Pelosi in impeaching the President and not challenging Pelosi when she stated Trump should be in jail. I have already overlooked his voting record,because he acts like his voting record will again be 100%,but Democratic.

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You are living in a simple little binary world. If Nancy said she wants to cut the budget and regulations people like you would be out to stop it.

The presidency has taken too much power impeachment is a tool to reverse that.

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Let’s stick to Amash. You’re reasoning describes Amash here. Where has Justin been these past several years (even before 2016)?

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I stopped reading your comment when you wrote
“People like Me” People like me have Grandsons who graduated from the Coast Guard Academy.How about you OZZY, .tell me about yourself.

ozzy
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Father 20 years in military, two tours of Vietnam and nephew currently in the Air Force after passing the AF academy, currently in theater. Not that my comment had anything to do with the military but nice virtue signalling.

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Give my thanks to your to your father and Nephew ,nice job.

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Avatarozzy Telling people what they would think or do is pure slander. It has no place in legitimate debate.

Up your game.

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That right there makes Justin Amash dead to me. That’s un-American to its CORE!

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The Freedom Caucus has been totally ineffective in getting the Republican Party to control spending. It is now a Trump cheerleading group that serves no ideological purpose.

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Non sequitur.

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Amash isn’t conservative. He’s libertarian. Sometimes the two mesh together, because conservatives are generally moderate libertarians, while those identifying as libertarians are usually the more extreme libertarians.

In the case of impeachment, though, there’s nothing particularly libertarian or conservative about Amash’s rather nonsensical claims.

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He doesnt have a 100% conservative record. It’s 90% and falling.

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Just because that guy keeps hitting on your wife is no reason to toss him out of your dinner party. Everyone else likes him.

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He loves all this attention.

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Another NT politician who bites the dust… when will these quislings ever put their country over their bottom line? Apparently, the tariffs on China and Trump’s anti-illegal immigration stance rattled Amash’s pocketbook… and he likely got a call from the Kochs, as well.

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He has 100% conservative voting record via freedom works, high 90’s via conservative revue. One of the few actual conservatives in congress.

I get the whole Trump fan wagon but tariffs are not conservative until Trump anti-Republican. Again look at the actual voting record and realize many Republicans vote with Democrats at least Amash sticks to his principles.

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I didn’t read the part about tariffs in Amash’s call for impeachment.

Ciceroni Excogitatoris
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Of course you didn’t but if you see how the tariffs may affect his business deals in China… then again, he is for open borders AND I hear there are “analyst” positions that will be opening on CNN and MSNBC.

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The man is an open borders zealot… even if he had 99%, he’s a NO in my book. I hope he is enjoying the attention.

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I am not talking for Amash but most Libertarians only want open borders if we get rid off welfare so any talk of open borders is just theory anyways. Lets face it Conservatives want the same things as the Democrats only slower. How they actually vote matters more and Pelosi will never bring up anything but amnesty votes, 9 Republicans even joined her for that. Quote from Nick Gillespi at Reason : In “Why I Am Not a Conservative,” his postscript to The Constitution of Liberty (1960), Hayek posited that a major dividing line between conservatives and libertarians (professing an intense dislike of the word libertarian, he used the term liberal) revolved around a fear of the future. Socialists and libertarians, wrote Hayek, were forward-looking in a way that conservatives were not. Conservatism “by its very nature it cannot offer an alternative to the direction in which we are moving. It may succeed by its… Read more »

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I would respect libertarians open borders view if they fought strong to remove the welfare state first before fighting for open borders.

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I agree with that however that just isn’t how our world works. In the grandiose level we choose a political theory, in reality short of collapse America will never go back to what we were when the country was founded even then we will probably try out Communism first. Both Republicans and Democrats tend to believe government is the solution and most Libertarians think government is the biggest problem so when the issue comes up if you are honest to your beliefs. Democrats loved Obama making new laws like DACA, Republicans love Trump making new laws like bump stops or wall funding that they agree with, Libertarians generally don’t want new laws but believe law making should be done by the legislature.’

I don’t like the obstruction law however rule of law still means it should apply to everybody.

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The freedom caucus has nothing to do with freedom and conservatism.

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Well, don’t just snark and run away. Please tell.

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silly

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No-one who is open borders is conservative, period. Oh sure, they can have show votes galore, but without borders, you have no country.

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Libertarianism is not Conservative. It is limited government philosophy which by definition social conservative is the opposite of that. Fiscal or constitutional conservatives should overlap but never the progressive side of the Republican party.

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Libertarians suffer from the same fault as socialists do – they do not understand human nature and the depravity of man.

Its utopian.

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I look at it the other way, people who think they can run other people lives better than the individual don’t understand human nature. Central planners always create unintended consequences. Our founding was very libertarian in nature and worked wonderfully. The federal government has been trying to get around the Constitution since then.

Both Republicans and Democrats think they can run our healthcare system better than we would with freedom. Republicans always wanted to replace Obamacare not just stop federal interference.

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Look, I can’t stand trump as a person due to his callous ways but as a leader, I don’t care if he’s an EFFING troll, his record at leading is second to NONE and that’s fact. His conservative push and record, besides the spending of course has been outstanding. For your enjoyment he’s put more conservative Justices on the bench than anyone else making our cause front and center for a GENERATION or more. If you cannot open your eyes to the BIGGER picture here, then your mind is much like your vision, little and narrow. EDIT: Tariffs are not republican? So you’re calling the framers liberals? After all it was THEY that came up with tariffs and if I know my history and I do, Tariffs are ACTUALLY how the gov’t is supposed to be funded. NOT by our taxes. Taxes and the IRS are UNConstitutional since the IRS… Read more »

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Republicans were not even a thing during our founding, the party started with Lincoln. An across the board tariff is just a tax what Trump is doing is central planning trying to pick who we buy from. Tariffs and tax rates are the domain of the legislature they just gave away some of their power to the president for national security / emergency. You can possibly make that case on steel but Trump is also putting tariffs on toys and washing machines. Nobody can make a national security issue on those.

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100% conservative?? He’s for illegals voting. Read the link I posted above. Buh Bye!

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I put the qualifier in there via 100% freedom works, 90% voting record via conservative revue. They are opinions from the sources not absolutes there is no absolute definition of conservatism, social conservatism is generally in direct contention with constitutional conservatism.

How most people think if I consider myself conservative then if I like the law it must be conservative.

Meanwhile because he has a few differing opinions from Trump, not a conservative IMHO, so Amash must go, Susan Collins is fine because she is not for illegals voting. We should be spending our time kicking out the Republicans with 20% conservative voting records not the A rated ones.

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