Dennis Prager: If Romney campaigns just on the economy and not on values, he will lose in November

Dennis Prager says the Left is campaigning on their values (fairness, income equality, etc) because they understand that’s where the battle is fought. But he says the Right doesn’t seem to understand that, and if Romney just campaigns on the economy and not on our values (Liberty, the individual, etc) which he says are much better values, he will lose in November:

The battle is about values. It’s not about the economy. The economy is a symptom, it’s not the cause of the problems that afflict America. And I am so sad that is not understood.

Ironically, it’s understood by the Left. They know the battle is about values. The Right thinks the battle is over the economy.

And if Mitt Romney campaigns just on the economy – are you doing better or worse than three years ago – he will lose. If he battles on values, debt, centrality of government or centrality of the individual, liberty versus material equality, multiculturalism versus E pluribus unum, then we will win. We’ll always win on values.

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86 thoughts on “Dennis Prager: If Romney campaigns just on the economy and not on values, he will lose in November

  1. Prager’s emphasis is correct, but he fails to see why RMoney CAN’T campaign on values. He’s a lib, and his values are essentially those of other liberals. He can’t distinguish himself talking values.

    So he has to offer himself up as an economy fixer, someone who will do a better job than O without basically changing the general liberal drift of the country.

    And Prager is right, he will lose.

  2. This is hard news for those who love to try divorcing fiscal conservatism from social conservatism. It cannot be done. It is conservatism. Just as it is on the left. Has anyone heard what a fiscal liberal despises in a social liberal? What separates a fiscal liberal from a social liberal, anyone?

    I believe that the MSM loves continuing and some conservatives to drive this “wedge” making people believe that you can be one and not the other. GWB was not a big spending social conservative. Why? because that is not what conservatism is. GWB was at best in his second term a big hearted moderate.

    It is what we believe in that we will spend or cut our finances upon. There is no other way around this hard fact of life. TRS and Prager are both correct here. Many threads ago, one person was trying to convince me that marriage had no economic impact upon our country. That is a gross misunderstanding of how our beliefs/values are foundational to our economic health.

    We all look at life through that which we value the most.

  3. Values:

    “Resistance to tyranny becomes the Christian and social duty of each individual. … Continue steadfast and, with a proper sense of your dependence on God, nobly defend those rights which heaven gave, and no man ought to take from us.”

    John Hancock, 1st one who signed the Declaration of Independence–History of the United States of America, Vol. II, p. 229.

    “God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the Gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath?”

    Thomas Jefferson Notes on the State of Virginia, Query XVIII, p. 237.

    “The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were the general principles of Christianity. I will avow that I then believed, and now believe, that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God.”
    –John Adams- part of a June 28, 1813 letter to Thomas Jefferson.

    1. About the democrat’s state of values:

      “If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.”
      Samuel Adams

      “They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security.”
      Benjamin Franklin

      “The liberties of a people never were, nor ever will be, secure, when the transactions of their rulers may be concealed from them.”
      Patrick Henry, American colonial revolutionary

      “Many free countries have lost their liberty, and ours may lose hers; but if she shall, be it my proudest plume, not that I was the last to desert, but that I never deserted her. I know that the great volcano at Washington, aroused and directed by the evil spirit that reigns there, is belching forth the lava of political corruption in a current broad and deep, which is sweeping with frightful velocity over the whole length and breadth of the land, bidding fair to leave unscathed no green spot or living thing; while on its bosom are riding, like demons on the waves of hell, the imps of that evil spirit, and fiendishly taunting all those who dare resist its destroying course with the hopelessness of their effort; and, knowing this, I cannot deny that all may be swept away. Broken by it I, too, may be; bow to it I never will.

      Abraham Lincoln
      [Note: spoken in 1839]

      1. I did not hear Prager mention the basis for right values- God, Who is the Author of liberty and the Standard.

        “Without morals a republic cannot subsist any length of time; they therefore who are decrying the Christian religion, whose morality is so sublime and pure (and) which insures to the good eternal happiness, are undermining the solid foundation of morals, the best security for the duration of free governments.”
        Charles Carroll, signer of the Declaration of Independence

        (source of quote above)

        (source of quotes below)

        “The moral principles and precepts contained in the Scripture ought to form the basis of all our civil constitutions and laws. All the miseries and evil men suffer from vice, crime, ambition, injustice, oppression, slavery, and war, proceed from their despising or neglecting the precepts contained in the Bible.” – Noah Webster

        America is crumbling.

        “History fails to record a single precedent in which nations subject to moral decay have not passed in to political and economic decline.” – Douglas MacArthur, Supreme Commander of Allied Forces in the Pacific during WWII

        “The longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth: ‘that God governs in the affairs of men.’ And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without His notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without His aid?” – Benjamin Franklin

        In short:

        “If we ever forget that we are One Nation Under God, then we will be a Nation gone under.” – Ronald Reagan

  4. You couldn’t PICK a more disqualified candidate to speak out on values for the GOP than Obamney!

    What? Do you think we’re stupid? That we’re just going to come running because Mr two-faced embraces our values to win an election? How friggin insulting can a person be? This man did everything he could to destroy the family in MA. What in God’s name do you think we’re going to do? Forget all of that?

    Obamney will win or lose based upon the votes of brainwashed Republicans turned liberal in the GOP, not because values voters are behind him. I’m not.

    You wanted a nominee that reflected liberal values? You got him. Live with him. The GOP didn’t care about our opinion, so now we could care less about yours.

  5. Romney in his speech talked about fairness. Fairness is not only a leftist value, conservatives also care about fairness. Only extreme right-wingers like Prager see fairness as a bad thing.

    And only extremists like Prager put their abstract ideology over the actual economic conditions of real Americans. Even extreme conservative politicians who don’t care one bit for ordinary Americans at least pretend they do. They pretend their policies are good for working people. Only on the radio can right-wingers be honest about their indifference.

    1. Well, I’m a right winger and fairness is a liberal value as it is used today. Fairness is silencing one group to elevate another…usually the group in the minority.

      You are thinking like a liberal friend.

    2. Romney is not a conservative. What do you think is fair? Where did you get your ideas on fairness?

  6. The elite GOP establishment had the best candidate to go against BHO, a constitutional conservative with a proven record, has been taking on BHO since 2008, unfortunately for the country Governor palin is not in this race. I’m sure that BHO and the libs are very happy about this because she ws their biggest threat. Governor Palin has been living rent free in BHOs head rent free since 2008 that is why they spew bs about her and the elite gop establishment join in with the libs because she is a threat to tge gop. The gop is worried about an open convention because if this happens their chosen candidate may be in trouble. That is why theGOP is pushing an admitted progressive liberal republican down our throats and try to pawn him off as a conservative. My message to the GOP it is not working. Take a good look at the primary turn out, doesn’t that tell you something? Very low turn out tells me people are not happy with the elite DC establishment candidate, now they can’t be that ignorant of these numbers or could they?

    1. While reading this string my thought kept going to the party conventions that will take place in all the states that send delegates to State Conventions and then those that get to go to the National Convention. Work in those conventions to get this Party Back. I hope that Tea Party People are working hard to get Represented. The economy and basic values are going to be the primary reason people wioll go to the polls. A candidate has to put the outline of thier convention as a foundation to thier candicy. This is still a ground roots fight. It is one thing to write your thoughts on this site and another to put them into action. Love to read your thoughts and place mine on this screen but, I implore you to go to your local convention and make your thoughts be actions. “Change” does not come from the top, it comes from the bottom up.

  7. What values? He can’t run on values. Come on. Virtue? He is right about this. He may lose – almost nothing is so simple. But, Romney is the wrong guy to be running, let alone running on values.

  8. To Mikethemarine:

    Well, tag on a national right-to-work law and a serious fix to the illegal infestation and you’re hitting my top 3 pain points for this election. I’d also like to see some good tax reform (FairTax).

    1. Right on. How about a flat 11 % tax across the board. In my book, that is “Fair.” To channel O’Rielly, what say you?

    2. I agree with you 100% but, if Romney (the presumptive nominee) beats out Obama, he will have to employ a lot of serious, hard hitting conservatives with very thick shells to help him do this, along with a Republican Congress and Senate.

      That, IMHO, is what is being overlooked as we all desperately want to see Obama defeated – aside from a new President, majorities in both houses – with people who share our values and principles are the only way meaningful reform will take place.

      We had a similar situation in our last Canadian election where the COnservative party finally achieved a majority and finally, good things are beginning to happen.

  9. Santorum ran on values and he lost – even though his values are much better values than the demoncrats have.

    Romney has no values… not really… to date, he’s done a very poor job of emphasizing conservative values. Apparently, his selling point to the dumbmasses was his supposed financial/economic skills – not his values.

    Not trying to be a hater… this guy is right. But once again, the irony that we chose the worst candidate out of the 10 or so that ran is unbelievable. The GOP chose a flip-flopping moderate to represent… too pathetic for words.

    1. The GOP chose a flip-flopping moderate to represent… too pathetic for words.

      When you say the GOP chose Romney, do you mean the voters?

    2. Right, mostly. Romney’s strength is as a super-successful, even hyper-successful businessman, and the business of America is business…or at least it should be if we are to survive as a freemarket, entrepreneurial, capitalistic society.

      I was a bit harsh, with the “dolt” thing above. I should’ve inserted the word “political” in front of it, as in “political dolt”. I didn’t know he was a conservative or what, I just thought it bad advice.

      Obama wants to talk about anything and everything except the economy. Hammer the economy and founding principles which caused us to soar past every other country as if they were chained down. That word “values” can mean so many different things. It is a watered down, overused term that is basically meaningless.

      This battle seems to be Marxism versus Capitalism. If those competing “values” are what he is referring to, then I’d agree with that. If he is advising Romney to preach Christianity in the general election, he’ll lose more votes than he gains in this country IMO. He’d be treading on very thin ice without a lifejacket or an insulated wetsuit. Sad to say, but that’s where we are.

      Now if he wants to bring in religious freedom for all (Catholics certainly included) to nail O’ and Sebelius to the first amendment wall, that’ll fly too.

      1. If Romney is nominated, he should take a page from Paul Ryan’s playbook:

        “In an interview with the Christian Broadcasting Network, Rep. Ryan talked about the Catholic idea of “subsidiarity,“ saying it means ”not having big government crowd out civic society, but … having enough space in our communities so that we can interact with each other” and take care of people.

        “To me, the principle of subsidiarity, which is really federalism, meaning government closest to the people governs best,” he said.”

        These remarks were at Georgetown University, as he defended his budget – in the face of George Soros-funded protesters.

  10. Prager is right.

    Of course, it’s “the Economy, stupid”, but in order to sustain and rebuild an economy, you need a strong foundation. Romney has to fight for the economy along with core values in order to move not only the economy forward, but to restore the family, the building block of any country which in turn, moves the economy forward. Everything we hold sacred is under assault daily. The progressives don’t hide it anymore and are hellbent on destroying or minimizing what what we hold dear.

    Here’s the latest assault on values.

    1. I liked Romney’s take on Clinton’s line: “It’s still about the economy… and we’re not stupid.” I agree that values are important, but I don’t think that Obama’s “values” are anything like most Americans’ values, ergo, people will reject him.

      1. Well, sure. How can a muslim, indonesian, kenyan have similar values to an American? Not possible, but we all know that.

        1. They can if they like the idea of Liberty, opportunity,hardwork and the rights of the individual. Unfortunately he was raised to dispise all of those things by his Marxist kin, mentors and College professors.

    2. This is what I think Santorum brought to the table that none of the others got. He was able to connect the dots between virtue and liberty.

      Washington’s Farewell Address c.1796:
      “Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, Religion and Morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of Patriotism, who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of Men and Citizens. The mere Politician, equally with the pious man, ought to respect and to cherish them. A volume could not trace all their connections with private and public felicity…And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle.”

  11. Who need VALUES and CONSTITUTION, if selling point are

    and Husseincare have more VALUES ( socialist, communist, afrofascist, marxist ) than Rmoneycare WITHOUT any VALUES at ALL. ( maybe it have some kind of moron values, at the end)

  12. Just a thought about fairness, if someone, or some couple, wants a child, but can’t have one for what ever reason. How about requiring someone else, with what ever number of children our wise and generous government believes to be to many, to simply surrender a child to those in need. I’m not suggesting children are a commodity to be traded, just addressing fairness.

  13. A great battle for Romney to take on is Obama’s assault on the Catholic Church over the abortion matter. This would be a great issue for Romney to show people not only how conservative he really is, but that he is also standing up for Freedom of Religion in this country. It’s a perfect issue that shows what happens when the Federal Government gets too big and what constitutional rights it destroys when that happens. Romney would be very smart to take this on, especially if Obamacare is upheld by the Supreme Court (I hope not).

      1. And the list goes on and on and on. There is no lack of material for a constitutional conservative, or someone posing as one, to attack Obama on.

  14. I have no idea how Romney will campaign against Obama, we know how he campaigned against our conservative contenders. In the end it will definitely be our values that will determine the course of our nation and the values espoused by the democrats are not the values of a strong, God fearing, prosperous nation.

  15. Anyone who reads the Bible knows that this election is about values. Everything that is considered good by God, is despised by the left. And now this includes hard work as demonstrated by the proposed regulations banning farm chores by children of farmers. Now we know why the majority of Obama voters are members of the recipient class (taking more from the government than they contribute). They are anti-life, anti-Christ, anti-morals, anti-work, anti-freedom and totally Godless. The economy will never recover when the majority of Americans pay no taxes and benefit by government handouts while supplementing their income with “under the table” and unlawful income.

  16. Um, I think the left is fighting on their “values” because the economy stinks on ice. Anyways, I thought Romney did a great job at using the fairness card against the left in his recent speech.

  17. Etch-a-sketch will lose because he has no values. We aren’t paying attention to any thing he says so if he finally saw the light, sorry to say, it is too late for him or the Republican party establishment.

    The voters will not show up in November to support corrupt #1 or corrupt#2.

    The Republican Party is dead. We all know there will never be another conservative candidate for POTUS again. Better to accept that fact now and move on. RIP.

      1. This makes a lot of cents. What it makes a mockery of though, is sense.

        What else have you got in your little dittybag of dingbatisms?

  18. Stealth loser advice from a dolt. I don’t even know who this guy is or which side he is on but he’s giving dumb advice. Those who want Obama to win would like nothing better than to see the Republican side waste a lot of breath on values they disagree with. Those same people who constantly say, don’t impose your morality on me(!) while they ram their values down our throats like they were packing gunpowder and a ball into a flintlock rifle to fire at the next freedom lover.

          1. IMO, you should at least have held some sort of public office if you’re to possibly assume the office of POTUS.

          2. I remember you as a Huntsman guy from the get-go, so naturally, I discount everything else you say to the level of a K-Mart Bluelight Special.

            More than enough said 🙂

    1. I don’t think Dennis Prager is a dolt, what I agree with you about is Romney’s disadvantage in arguing values. If he chooses to go down that road he will lose because of exactly what you said, the majority of people have become so secular, and Romney’s strong points are of a secular position (the economy) not in his values in a sense of morality as defined by Christian conservatism.

    2. Dennis is talking about the values in the Declaration and Constitution. He is talking about the values of free men and free markets, property rights, equal justice under the law, The Bill of Rights. If we do not talk about these values and why they are better than what the left has to offer, then most Americans will never know. When you say “the rule of law” you must give the less preferable alternative, which is the rule of man. The two visions must be contrasted and explained. Romney can do this in a speech that’s written for him, but it is not part of his fiber. He will have to do for now and hopefully in Nov., we can reference the end of the movie “Babe” and say “that’ll do Mitt”.

      1. Romney can do this in a speech that’s written for him, but it is not part of his fiber.

        This is what concerns me most.

      2. I haven’t read his book, but if Prager’s point is what you are saying it is than I agree 100 percent. Abandoning these things is why the economy sucks. And I also agree with you that Romney is not about these values. He may give them lip service, but he is a statist.

        1. Where would Romney have been exposed to them? His father was centrist, he attended Harvard for an MBA and Law Degree and then stayed in Massachusetts. My guess is he is a Republican because his father was.

          1. Well as Ann Romney said, they “didn’t know a single Republican” when Mitt ran for Senate in 1994.

      3. And we need this reminder again and again when we have to sacrificially make those hard decisions in cutting the huge spending of DC. If not, we will have anarchy just like Greece and Spain. Again this does suppose that Romney will actually make real cuts, but nothing the GOP seems to guarantee that.

      1. I agree with Prager. In fact, if you listen to what Santorum spent most of his stump speech talking about, it was values. That’s one of the reasons I liked him so much. He truly understood the importance of the individual, liberty, and so on.

        1. Good advice sir…for a Republican Primary.

          We’re talking about the general election though, right?

          To each his own.

          1. True, but then what you’re suggesting is that those values don’t apply to independents, just those who call themselves Republicans.

            I’m not sure I agree with that.

            1. I think that the average tax payers understand a few simple truths. 1) Congress refuses to write a budget. 2) Maobama has run up 5 trillion in debt in under four years. 3) Gas prices are ridiculously high and getting worse. 4) Maobama refuses to let us drill for our own oil.

              Scoop, IMHO this is what this election is about.

              1. The things you listed are symptoms of bankrupt values that Republicans and Democrats have fallen victim to. If you accept the lefts value system, you will always end where we are now. History is replete with examples of the lefts failed systems.

                1. Sure it is, but are most folks that deep? They want pragmatic, discernable, results. They want Johnny to get his own place so Mom can turn his bedroom into her hobby room, guest room or whatever. They want to see their children do as well or better than they, and that has been looking like a fairy tail, minus the fairy and the tail.

                  They’d like to reinstall the American Dream. If the candidate gets bogged down in gay versus anti-gay, Christian versus atheist, abortion versus prolife, then the real problem, which Mike enumerates quite well above, will get lost in the media maelstrom game of gotcha.

                2. He needs to turn those divisive issues back to contrasting the lefts values vs the values of liberty. His biggest problem is explaining why Bush’s domestic policy was not conservative but was Obama lite. If he is tied to Bush and his policies, he is in trouble. If he can and does distance himself from Bush he will succeed. It must be done gently but firmly.

            2. I agree. America is great because we as a people are great! It is the Americans that give to help others. It is the Americans that won’t bow to other nations. It is the Americans that teach other countries. We really and truly need to let everyone know what is in the Declaration and the Preamble to the Constitution. “We the people……” We as American are exceptional because of the values: God, Family, Career, benevolence, justice, empathy, liberty, capitalism, unity, love,truthfulness etc.

            3. Nor do I. I think if Romney plays his cards right, he can get a huge majority of independents and Reagan democrats. I’m kinda’ thinking of Maslow’s heiarchy of needs with regards to people in general, in order to win the general.

              We are not far apart at all. It’s mostly semantics I think.

            4. I KNOW I don’t agee with it. We lost our chance when Santorum was not backed by all conservatives. It is a very sad situation indeed. The love of money is the root of ALL evil. js.

              1. Must one love money to love all of the good things one can accomplish with it? There’s a difference.

                Some folks hoard money as some kind of Scrooge-like score card. Others do wonderful things with it that bring joy and happiness to others.

                “He who waters is watered himself.” And, you cannot outgive God. You can try though. Money is great for that.

        2. But he should have attacked the economic policies more

          I think he overplayed the values

          He was out of balance

          Zero has created so many problems –

          It would take 100 jugglers to handle this mess

          and He has the arrogance to talk about what Bush did –

          POTUS ZERO is a POS

    1. You got it Mike. What will happen when business gets to a point where in these United States you have so many regulations to deal with? You pack up and either close or leave the country. Here is where it becomes problematic. How are public sector employees going to be paid when local, state and federal treasuries dry up? Are these leftists going to think that the FED is a constant slush fund to pull from? If that became how people are paid you know what will happen. Inflation up the wazoo. This election IS about the economy. People can want this to be about the economy first then values second. What a bitter diatribe this man is speaking. Mike I talk to liberals often and they are quaking in their boots about Obama. They are not comfortable talking about it, BUT they know that a change is needed!

      1. Many might tow the party line in public but vote against O’ in private. Long live the privately-cast ballot.

      1. Well, Dennis is miss informed on this subject. I like Thomas Sowell, but I saw an article two days ago that Mr. Sowell wrote and was wrong on, as well. It was about Jim Crowe laws.

        1. Well, Dennis is miss informed on this subject.

          He may be wrong, but don’t sarcastically call him a lady who is informed 🙂

    2. what morality can romney run on, when he put ultra radical leftist judges in MA, and promoted redefinition of marriage and even wrote obamneycare to have taxfunded abortions EVEN forcing Church hospitals to commit murder of innocent children in the womb!

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