Exclusive: Producer of Atlas Shrugged 2 sits down with The Right Scoop, plus a surprise you won’t want to miss

***NOTE: Considering this is a contest, we are keeping this on the front page until the contest ends***

We have a little treat for you, well two treats actually. The first: The Right Scoop had an exclusive opportunity to chat with Harmon Kaslow, Producer of the upcoming fim, Atlas Shrugged 2.  Set to release October 12, this Atlas Shrugged reboot couldn’t be more appropriately timed. Take a look at the trailer:

Harmon Kaslow was gracious enough to let us pick his brain, check it out:

Kemberlee: How does Hollywood respond to a movie like this? It’s definitely no secret that they’re pretty hostile towards conservatives and conservative values.  People in Hollywood are always the first ones to speak out when there’s an incident and never in a way that’s positive towards the conservate base. Is there anything you’ve dealt with as a result of producing this movie?

Harmon: There’s various levels in Hollywood, the people that run Hollywood you describe very accurately, but Hollywood is also a business… If Hollywood believed that the message of Atlas Shrugged, that there was a large enough audience to support this message or regularly support films with this type of message, they would make them. They’re in the business of trying to make money. I think one of the challenges we have is that our audience… they might go see movies once or twice a year because Hollywood isn’t making movies that they want to see. So our challenge is how do we get people to treat our theatrical release on October 12 as an event.  They can’t take for granted that I’ll get around to it next week, the theatre will keep it, that just isn’t the way the world works. If we can show that a movie with this message will attract an audience, I can tell you that you’ll see move movies with this type of message making their way in to theatres.

Kemberlee: Well it emboldens others to do the same.

Harmon: It does, exactly. Much like Passion of the Christ inspired a whole industry of pictures that are being produced specifically for a religious market.

Kemberlee: Different from films that are purely for entertainment, is it challenging to produce something that is both entertaining but also trying to drive home an ideological point?

Harmon: Our challenge in adapting is one: John and I wanted to make sure we faithfully adapted the book. That we faithfully adapted Ayn Rand’s philosophy and message as clearly and authentically as we could…  Our first challenge is how do we take those messages and find a cinematic thread through the material without reinventing characters, without reimagining plot lines, and deviating from something that’s been embraced by so many people in to a movie. Entertainment is secondary, if we can get the message right, the story is such a fabulous story, that that in and of itself will enthrall an audience to want to come out and feel like they got good value in seeing the movie.

Kemberlee: What do you hope viewers take away from this film?

Harmon: I think it’s about loving your life, it’s about the limited role that government should play in our lives and these characters embody a certain tenacity, spirit of hard work and capitalism and hopefully will inspire people to stand up and not allow themselves to be trampled by a government that’s overreaching and robbing people of their individual liberties.

Kemberlee: With the timing of the release of the film, do you hope it will impact the election or the electoral process?

Harmon: Absolutely. Our planning to release the film prior to the election is completely intentional. The production team had to figure out a way to get the film produced at a high level quality in time for us to be in theatres prior to the election. It’s important for people to understand Ayn Rand was a staunch capitalist. The themes of Part 2 reflect the themes the candidates running for national office are talking about. They’re talking about the economy and they’re talking about energy. We’d love to be a part of that debate. We think that during October when this film will be in theatres, we will be in the midst of so much negative advertising and noise that we provide an opportunity, a rational, sane opportunity for people to go in to the theatre with like minded people, their neighbors and experience something that hopefully will inspire them to want to go and vote and move us back to the principles that the founding fathers of this country envisioned when we decided to become a free nation. It’s a grand opportunity for us, but it also empowers the people who believe in individual liberty and limited government to have one last shot before the election, get their neighbor in there and say, we’ve really got to take this very seriously.

Kemberlee: And to really have an opportunity to focus on what makes our country great.

Harmon: Exactly.

Kemberlee: In a very positive way.

Harmon: Yes, exactly. And thought provoking and hopefully inspiring.

Kemberlee: I think that’s one of the things that’s very unique about this story, it’s definitely as you referred to it earlier, a great American novel. It’s one of those stories that’s life changing. You can always find something that’s happening in the present that you can apply to the plot line.

Harmon: All you’ve got to do, for the readers at The Right Scoop, in Part 2, there’s a conversation that occurs between Dagny Taggert and Jeff Allen when he describes what he experienced at the 20th Century Motor Company and it’s no different than the shock that many Americans experience when they heard the president of the United States take a position that clearly indicates, this guy is not a capitalist and it’s right out of the novel. What woud he do if the reaction of America’s entrepreneurs and small business owners was to say, “Well you know what?  We’re going to stop the motor of the world.” Just like John Galt said.  That would change everything. So you’re right, there’s so much relevance from what she wrote fifty years ago to what’s going on now, it makes you want to take it more seriously than just a parable about her philosophies.

Kemberlee: As far as theatres where this will be available, will it be similar to the Part 1  release?

Harmon: With Part 1 the exhibitors were reticent about whether or not people would come out and support this message.  Based on the support we got, a lot of support from the Tea Party and other groups, people did go to theatre and the film did do well from their perspective. The exhibitors believe in the film, they believe people will come and support a film with this message and they believe the groups that supported us for Part 1 will make the same effort to fill theatres. We have more theatres committed today, two weeks after we announced our release date than we had when we opened Part 1. We should be in theatres spread across the country.


Are you ready for the second surprise?! We hope you are. For the first time ever, The Right Scoop is hosting a contest. That’s right, a contest.

How it works: Leave a comment about Atlas Shrugged. Comments can explain your excitement about seeing Atlas Shrugged 2 opening night, why this story is so important, how you think this story will impact the election, how reading the story changed your understanding of capitalism, etc. It’s up to you.  You can leave as few or as many comments as you like. There’s no limit.

How long do I have? The contest will run Tuesday, August 7 through Friday, August 10. Comments submitted after August 10 will not be considered.

What do I win?!?! The two best comments will be selected to win fabulous prizes! Who doesn’t love prizes? Winners will be announced Monday, August 13 and have their comments posted on The Right Scoop. Winners will be asked to submit their names and addresses to us via email in order to receive their major award (although I can promise you won’t receive a leg lamp).

May the best comment win! And be sure to take your family, neighbors, dog and everybody else you know to see Atlas Shrugged 2 in theatres October 12. For America.

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254 thoughts on “Exclusive: Producer of Atlas Shrugged 2 sits down with The Right Scoop, plus a surprise you won’t want to miss

  1. So, the right loves Jesus as long as he can be used politically and when that doesn’t work they take up with Ayn Rand? Hahahahahaha. We might take the time to read what the Republicans had to say about Rand before the Jesus ploy stopped working for them. What a bunch of silly hypocrites. “This god, this one word: I.” –Ayn Rand

    1. “The Jesus ploy…”? What ploy would that be? Jesus is not now nor has He ever been a ploy. He is Christ. Do you know what you are? One of those people banging on the Ark and begging Noah to let him in. Laugh while you can, for tomorrow, you die. Then what?

      Christians are wise enough to recognize wisdom in some areas and foolishness in others. Both wisdom and foolishness can reside within the same imperfect human. If there is any wisdom residing in you, you haven’t demonstrated it here.

      1. What ploy would that be? Are you serious or just trolling? Right wing Christians follow Jesus right up to the point they have to act like Christians–then they resort to the “I got mine” philosophy of Ayn Rand. Do you think Rand believes in a Christ? This wisdom you claim Christians possess when accepting some of Christ’s teachings and rejecting others does not make you reasonable, it makes you a heretic. Wisdom indeed. You demonstrate the reasoning skills of a cork and all the moral potential of a slug. Quick–back under your rock where you belong.

        1. I am seriously trolling 🙂

          If you despise Christ, Christians and Ayn Rand, why are you here? Can’t stand your own ideological counterparts? Can’t blame you there. What Rand believes about Christ is irrelevant. Her arguments for Capitalism and against Communism are what I and many others celebrate here.

          You use the word “they” a lot. Your “they” is a monolithic thing to you. You paint an entire group with a broad brush. Are “they” like synchronized swimmers? River Dancers? Connected at the hips?

          Strike two Murray. Take another swing. The only rock I ever crawl under is the “Rock of Ages”. It’s raining, the door is closing, and you’re missing the boat.

            1. The part of speech was not at issue. Got it?

              I asked you five questions. You ignored them all. Go sit in the dugout little feller, you’re out. Here, have a snow cone.

            2. Trolls all pay in the end. Particularly when they take the wrong exit on the internet highway. Goodbye.

      2. Rshill7, I appreciate your effort to reason with someone like Murray Brown, but the sad fact is that he and his ilk have long been living in their own personal hell and the matters of faith are beyond their comprehension. He is not to be despised for his hateful rhetoric, but pitied for his misconceptions of reality. They serve no God but themselves and and their demise will show the light at the end of the tunnel does not exist for them. Sad, but it is ultimately their choice to make.

  2. The movie that saved the Great Experiment that is the United States of America from a socialist attack from within.

  3. When you become a Christian, your eyes are opened, and there is no turning back. Reading Atlas Shrugged puts you in a similar place – your eyes are opened, and you cannot go back into the comfort zone. I was so moved by the first movie and have been anticipating the second movie ever since. It is a life changing book for those who “get it”. I’m still in awe of her prophetic words – perhaps the hand of God, who does use the most wide variety of souls to expose the evil around us.

  4. Woah – what a teaser!!! But I hoped to see a glimpse of the upcoming movie, and where they will stop it. The first one covered a lot of the book in a rapid-fire way; how far into the story will Part II go? I can’t WAIT to find out!!

    Now, as to the contest – do you leave comments here, or on the movie site? I will do either one!!! On with the FIGHT to defeat socialist/communist welfare states and fundamentally RESTORE this great Constitutional Republic – the United States of America!

  5. Over fifty years ago, Ayn Rand looked to the future of America and wrote her finest fictional work, Atlas Shrugged. This book has come to life as a detailed view of our future with none of the ambiguity of a Nostradamus prediction. Her story is being played out today in Washington. Her characters and their traits can be individually identified with people now working within the current administration.

    I would happily sit through all three parts in one viewing if possible. The movie and book provides a health spa experience for the mind!

    How did she know?

  6. I just posted that this film and Rand’s ideas must be shown to every American. Let me expand that. Every human being on this planet! If the Fabians truly want to create Utopia, start with personal, individual, FREEDOM!! Until we all recognize that Freedom and Capitalism are the best and fairest paths to human achievement and development, we are doomed to fight and squabble for all eternity. The pure genius of our Founders and the Constitution they gave us is a living testament to mankinds search for perfection.

  7. I recently read the book and I am still traumatized. What a terrorizing experience! Every new chapter brought new insight into how our government and culture are destroying the American Dream. I bought part I and had to wait until I finished the book to watch it. Great movie! Really nice adaptation that ,considering constraints, maintains the integrity of the material. I can’t wat to see II! While I loved Pt. I’s casting, I am looking forward to new faces/interpretations. The ideas are the star! And these ideas and information must be disseminated/shoved in the face of every American. Truth has no agenda.

  8. I just recently read the book and I am still traumatized. What a terrorizing book! Every new chapter brought new insight into how our current government and culture is tearing down the American Dream. I bought Part I and had to wait till I finished the book to watch it. Great movie! Really nice job of squeezing so much content into limited time. And still giving the material the gravity it deserves. I can’t wait to see II! While I loved Pt. I’s casting I am looking forward to seeing new faces/interpretations. The story is the star, and must be told/disseminated/shoved in every Americans face.

  9. I first read Atlas Shrugged as a high school senior in 1959. The impression it made on me at the time was incalculable but subtle in that, arrowing my later existence toward constitutional conservatism, I really didn’t believe such a state of affairs would, or could, exist in my lifetime. I mean…..1955! Was this a great country, or what!? As the decades rolled by I began to realize not only could it happen but in the process was fast becoming so. Subtlety be damned. The republic was then, and is now, being threatened by internal forces as much or more so, than by enemys that are identifiable to us worldwide. Our own citizens seem hell-bent on destroying the greatest, most generous country the world has ever seen. And we are not reacting to the obvious in a morally responsible way .

    Toward the end of the book Dagny Taggert deliberately dispatches a guard with his feet planted firmly in midair….. well, let Ayn Rand tell it, “…… pulled the trigger, and fired straight at the heart of a man who had wanted to exist without the responsibility of conciousness….” Wow! Who had wanted to exist without the responsibility of conciousness……….

    Point being we, ourselves are the caretakers of the wisdom of the Founders in the documents they have handed down to us. It is therfore up to us to seek redress again’st the usurpers who have, through our own inactions, our own dereliction of duty and moral responsibilities, allowed the present conditions to come to pass. Failure to take back the Republic in the coming election might very well be the death of it and perhaps, even in the coming violence, our own souls! VOTE!

  10. Obama Accused of Massive Voter Fraud, Intimidation in 2008. Hillary’s volunteers are speaking out on what happened in 2008–massive voter fraud and serious intimidation by bussed in Obama thugs–one of them is a Hollywood producer (made Jack & Jill with Adam Sandler) who I have chatted with about the threats she has received and what she witnessed. Her movie is “We Will Not Be Silent” http://youtu.be/YXDJgprbnuo

  11. Love it or hate it, Hollywood is an exceptionally powerful tool that Obama is using to his advantage. Why should he have an all-access pass?

    Poll after poll show that those identifying themselves as conservative outnumber those identifying themselves as liberal two to one. We simply have to show up! I see Atlas Shrugged II as a thunderous bell ringing to bring in the masses.

    The release of ASII is a mere 26 days before the most important election of our lifetime. It will be my honor and duty to ensure everyone I know sees this film, and ask that everyone they know do the same.

    And on that victorious day, November 7, while we prepare for a new president, we’ll know our work has just begun. But as a country we will breathe free air, and know that America has a chance.

    That’s all that matters.

  12. At first, I refrained from commenting on this. Because you made it a contest. I know you did that just to add a little fun to the game. I know that. But, when I make a comment here on this site, or any other, for that matter, I try my best to speak what I really think and feel. I would hate to think that any of my words here, were somehow changed or altered to win a contest, even one just for fun. I have read the comments of some of my friends here and I think, quite frankly, two or three have already won. Thank God for that. That leaves me free to tell you what I think of Ayn Rand and what an incredible influence she had upon my life. Like most of you who are my age, I first read, “Atlas Shrugged,” when I was in my twenties. It changed my life. No joke. I was never again the same person, after having read the book. I believe it is a compliment of the greatest order, that Ayn Rand changed many lives, not just mine. I was young and ignorant of many things when I was twenty something, not unlike a lot of the twenty somethings of our current generation. Funny how that works. Ayn Rand gave me the first glimpse that maybe, just maybe, all things were not right with the world that I lived in. As I grew older, as all of us do, I learned that her writings were not just pretty words, they were, in fact Prophecy. Ayn Rand was like Jules Verne. They both had an ability to see the future. Jules Verne wrote a science fiction story about a nuclear submarine. Way ahead of it’s time. You might be interested to know that the first Nuclear Submarine commissioned by the Unite States Navy, was given the name, ‘Nautilus.” He also wrote a novel about “Going to the Moon.” He envisioned exactly how it would be accomplished. He envisioned a rocket, leaving Earth and achieving an orbit around the Moon. Rockets didn’t exist in Jules Verne’s time, except by the Chinese, so he thought of it as a big gun, that would shoot the vehicle toward the moon. The eventual accomplishment by NASA, to send a rocket to the Moon, achieving an orbit around the Moon and then sending down a lander from the Mother ship, is so eerily like what Jules Verne envisioned, that it gives me chills. The first time I read, “Atlas Shrugged,” did the same thing for me. She painted a picture. A picture most of us had never seen before. She painted a picture of a country where some people were productive and ingenious, but most were dolts. The dolts had the upper hand, or course. Not unlike what we are living with today. Ingenuity and Creativity and Success in business are all bad words in the Progressive mind.

    I have read Ayn Rand’s books several times, each time gaining some new insight that I missed previously. I so look forward to the release of this most recent movie of her work. God Bless the people who produced this. Kudos to the timing. It could not have been better. I believe Ayn Rand had a vision of the future. I believe her vision was, we can defeat these bastards!

    1. well said white- as all of your comments are 🙂

      Hopefully these generations of 20 and 30 somethings will find Atlas Shrugged and read it. Hopefully new generations will have their lives changed by it as well.

    2. Break it up a bit. You can’t have a wall of text like that and expect it to work. Yours worked because it’s good writing. Only very patient people read it though. Make it easier for the less patient.

      1. It is true what you say, Rshill7. I am aware that I have too much to say sometimes and that the great technique of breaking up a long dialogue into smaller pieces makes it easier to digest for the average reader. Thank you for the polite criticism. It was well deserved.

  13. I saw part 1 and it was great. I guess that I had better read the book before part 2 comes out!

    1. I have re-read Atlas Shrugged and it sure is a harbinger of our times. I have a copy of Part 1 and am looking forward to Part 2.

  14. I actually read “The Fountainhead” before I read “Atlas Shrugged” and love both books. The principles and work ethics Rand presents are the foundation for what makes our country great. After seeing the first movie twice, I bought it and can’t wait for the sequel.There are sources that will tell you it is the second most popular book in history, second only to the Bible. Google it and the life of Ayn Rand for a great journey. Ariel Durant said, “A great civilization cannot be conquered from without until it destroys itself from within.” We have a front row seat to watch the demiocrats try to do just that. Its amazing that Ariel Durant and Ayn Rand are both Russian immgrants.

  15. If anyone is wondering about what “Atlas Shrugged” is all about, look no further than my blog posting: “Atlas Shrugged” and Buckyballs – http://freshbrewedconservatism.blogspot.com/2012/08/atlas-shrugged-and-buckyballs.html. It’s happening right now in front of us. I saw the trailer this past weekend in DC at AFP’s Dream Summit. And chills just go up and down my body. I fully believe this is a must movie to see. Our country is in peril. And the danger is many are not seeing it. The “enemy” knows our weaknesses. Government is too big, too intrusive and we haven’t seen anything yet. The anticipation for PART II is huge. I, for one, am scared for my country.

  16. I grew up in a family that had conservative values, but was into pop culture. This gave me a very broad perspective on the world around me and one I would not trade for the world. I read Atlas Shrugged for the first time my senior year of high school based on the recommendation of a fellow student who was beside himself with the liberal agenda of our teachers. I never really bought their BS and just went ahead getting good grades. When I finished the book it was like the cloud the Liberal agenda created was gone. It exposed them for what they were and has aided me ever since. I ended up going to perhaps one of the most Liberal colleges in the country because I felt empowered to debate the enemy. The irony is that the professors I combated were able to take their anger out on me with grades. That is another story that I would love to share with The Right Scoop if I end up winning this contest.

    The point of the matter is that this book changes peoples lives and for the better. Ayn Rand is a modern day prophet for the world we live in and in my mind the single greatest thinker of the last 100 years. She saw the world for what it was and told us what we needed to do to make it better. The problem is the Progressive disease has been allowed to take root. This will make it very hard to fix, but we can still do it by all of us keeping up the fight like The Right Scoop does everyday.

    If you have not read the book….go get it right now and start the transformation from innocent bystandard to an educated and involved problem solver.

  17. In this summer’s double issue, Playboy (I only read the articles) has their 1964 interview with Ayn Rand on page 124 entitled “A Return Visit with Objectivist Number One”.

  18. Atlas shrugged is a important reminder of what happen if you push business and people too far. We cannot continue letting the gov. tax our job creators and expect them to keep running their business. I hope people watch this film and if they don’t come out of it tea party memeber or at least a little worried about our country then we are doomed as a nation.

  19. The sacrificial lamb got sacrificed for the sake of the collective. The lamb had no say in the matter. Ultimately his voice was finally silenced. Like sheep to the slaughter…the individual will have the same fate, if what we are sacrificing…Is Ourselves!.

  20. Thanks, Kemberlee, for this interview and the post. I really like this idea. A nice break from current events, and a chance to discuss something a little deeper than usual.

    And Congrats on the Exclusive, Scoop!

    Some of the “entries” thus far are quite good! I have to say we have the best community of folks commenting here, versus any other site. Just the right mix of geeks, furries, hard-boileds, highly-educated, lowly-edjumacated, intense, mellow, humorous, droll, historically knowledgeable, old (same thing, I guess), young, soldierly, peaceful (thanks to the soldierly), busy, lethargic, troll-ish, goat-ish (Gruff vs Troll), and lovelies. I’d buy you all a drink if we ever had a get together.

    (Don’t worry, this comment is ineligible. And click “Like” on the Post, up above if you like this comment!)

  21. AND what happened to the movie that was supposed to be released by Danesh D’Souza all about the tragic Obama administration? Did the lamestream media squash it’s release?

  22. The synchronicity of today’s reality and that of “Atlas Shrugged” is at best foreboding, and at worst, as anticipated by our aristocrats and ruling class, to be our forthcoming future. Except for Hollywood elite and the corporate/politicians we are John Galt et al!

  23. One of the things predicted in Atlas Shrugged has come to life right before our eyes. Obama and his gang of government looters have joined with a large base of Democrat moochers to gang up on the producers in this country. They know they outnumber the producers. If the silent majority of conservatives — the Tea Party — doesn’t come to the rescue, the looters and moochers will win. They will succeed in transforming this country into a European style socialist state. We owe it to our children and grandchildren to stop this death spiral toward dependency and tyranny before it is too late.

  24. I know I will get pelted for this, but I read Atlas Shrugged about a year ago and absolutely hated it. It was not the story, which I liked and which I thought was important, it was the writing. It was WAAAAY too long, the book needed an editor badly.

    Rand’s characters were straight out of comic books. The “Good Guys” (and gal) were all very attractive, athletic, intelligent, well-educated, well-spoken, and well-dressed. The “Bad Guys” were fat, slovenly, ill-manned, stupid and lazy. Dagny was having unprotected sex as a teenager and fell into bed with almost all the good guys. None of her “suitors” was ever jealous when she “moved on”. Really? And Dagny and Galt having sex in a dirty, dark train tunnel??? WTF was that?

    As I say, the story is important. The storytelling was awful.

    1. The characters and setting are exactly the same sort of feeling the “Dark Knight” version of Batman has tried to evoke. This is a purposeful amplification of the situation so you feel more tension. Back when Rand wrote it, you couldn’t put in the kind of sexual, violent, and lurid scenes we take for granted today in our entertainment (and we are the poorer for it, really). So she had to amp up the intensity in other ways.

      Not all the bad guys were slovenly or fat, either. Especially the worst of the worst.

      But yeah, it was a bit over-the-top on story length. And open relationships do not really work. She proved that in her own life.

      I’ve read it three times, and every time, despite my affection for her as a philosopher of merit, and despite my more thorough reading of her other works, I admit I end up skipping ahead during Galt’s speech, every single time.

      But then, I don’t need convincing.

      “Production is the solution to the problem of survival” –Ayn Rand

      1. “Not all the bad guys were slovenly or fat, either. Especially the worst of the worst.

        Which one? I must have missed that.

        BTW, I thought every Batman movie I’ve seen (only a few) was overrated too. 🙂 I don’t bother with them. Not a comics fan. Although I do think Atlas Shrugged would be great fodder for a comic book type treatment.

        I have to admit when I got to the big finale of Atlas Shrugged – the John Galt speech – I skipped it. I may go back someday and torture myself with it, but probably not. Reading that book was like getting hit over the head with a hammer. Repeatedly.

        If anyone wants my copy of Atlas Shrugged, let me know. You can have it.

        1. If it’s bound in genuine leather, I’ll take it. If it isn’t, send it to democrat headquarters. They could use some sensical hammers to the head.

          1. When my son was in 8th or 9th grade, one of his reading assignments in Humanites was MAUS. Set up like a comic book, Maus is a graphic novel by cartoonist Art Spiegelman. In it, Spiegelman interviews his father about his experiences as a Polish Jew and Holocaust survivor, and his experiences during WWII and time spent in a concentration camp, as well as his life in general. The book makes use of postmodern techniques in its presentation, in its depiction of different races of humans as different kinds of animals, with Jews as mice, Germans as cats. While we found it to be very heavy for our son at the time, he read the book with much interest and now he uses it in his own classroom. He says his students gravitate to the book due to its presentation.

            1. Thia is an amazing “comic” book series. I read that back when my son was in grade school.

              Also, I used to read “Classics Illustrated,” which was a really fine series of comics.

              The “Sandman” series by Neil Gaiman is the current example of comics as fine art.

              Thanks for reminding me of MAUS.

        2. Let’s see… Dagny’s brother was a fool, but he was a fastidious, prideful “gangster” of sorts. He gets reduced to a frightened rabbit eventually.

          The real bad guy is the government goon who used to work briefly for Hank Reardon. He goes on to be like Chuck Schumer or Ted Kennedy. But he’s also a slim, dapper fellow of sorts. One of the good guys is older and has a bit of a paunch, I believe. I may be misremembering.

          Rand had a kind of mental concept where women of the highest mental quality would naturally accept an act of rape (seen by Rand as more of a lusty ravishment, whatever the heck that really means), as long as it was from the man of highest quality. Sort of an “inevitability” fantasy, of the merging of the two best-of-the-best mentalities. So both Atlas and Fountainhead feature a scene of almost violent rape, that was explained away as really something the woman desired anyway. In Atlas, the characters yammer on about it quite a bit.

          It was Rand’s main flaw. But she was a powerful thinker, and had some very good ideas, and some very good lessons on statism to rub our faces in.

  25. Ayn Rand was my mentor. I never met her but she was instrumental to my upbringing.

    In fact, I almost got kicked out of high school due to “Atlas Shrugged.”

    No kidding. My mom got a phone call one day from the school asking her if she was aware that I had missed something like 34 of the last 45 days of school.

    And as you can imagine, when, I got home I was in bigggggggg trouble. (for a while)

    The truth was, and my mother knows me well enough to understand it was true. The fact is, I hated high school. I hated it with a passion. I couldn’t stand it and instead, my senior year was spent in the high school parking lot reading everything Ayn Rand had ever written. (I read Atlas 3 times that year. Along with “We the living” “Fountainhead” “Anthem” ….etc.)

    FYI, I barely made it out of high school. (Low “D” Average>) But, I did go on to make it through the Berkeley Business School. And went on to found several Dot Com companies…. Go figure ……..

    Nowadays, I call myself a hermit on hiatus from this economy….

    1. I did a similiar thing in high school, same sort of phone call but alas I wasnt reading in the parking lot. Oopsie.

      1. ROFL! pol, you wild girlie you! I used to skip classes too, but that was so I could go to the other schools where our teams were playing so I could cheer. My grades were lousy and you weren’t allowed to be in cheerleading if your grades weren’t up. lol.

        1. It was all about the music for me! What can I say!? Young rebel!!
          But I ended up doing pretty well- I cheered too!
          And even did a couple sports;)

          1. The only sport I ever wanted to play was baseball, but they didn’t allow girls on teams back then. I hated soft ball- it seemed so lame compared to the real thing 😉 Yeah, music got me through a lot of crap back then and still does. I’d say you turned out just fine! 😀

            1. We both did. You and I.

              Music was my first priority.
              But I did make it on to the gymnastics team- and played a little tennis. Oh and my high school had a ski team- GET THIS our ski “mountain” was in the back of the school and was made of carpet. I kid you not. When I went to college, I found a school with a ski team, but sadly I didnt last long. hahahahah

              1. LOL! Sorry, the ski hill cracked me up. I LOVED gymnastics in highschool! In grade 9, we had just started a 2 week round for gymnastics, and I fell off the even bars and tore the ligament in my foot. Had to be on crutches the whole 2 weeks. what a dink I was.
                I never tried skiing until my late teens when I worked at a ski club and got to ski whenever I wasn’t working. I LOVED it too!

                1. I was only good on the floor exercises. Balance beam so so.

                  Mustang Mountain was the carpet hill.

                  Dont feel bad. When I was a teen ager I begged pleaded and my parents agreed to let me go to a “ski camp” for 5 days in Crystal Mountain Washington, with one of my best girl friends. The second day, was jumping. Having never jumped before, I did the “pop” and promptly twisted my knee. How embarrassing. I spent the rest of the days in the chalet rockin with an ace bandage wrapped around my cordoruy pants. HA.

                2. LOL Good grief girlie. How a Cali girl and a Canadian girl can be so alike is beyond me! 😀 Cordoruy pants huh? I cracked a joke on facebook a while back about falling asleep on a courdoruy pillow and no one knew what the heck cordoruy was!!!

    2. You know the old adage don’t you… the A and B students end up going to work for the D students who create businesses? I’d have got grounded ’til middle age had I done what you did, but boy I do envy what you did 😉 I hated school for much the same- which is why I homeschool now. Good for you hermit!

  26. I’ve read Atlas Shrugged twice, once in my 20’s and again in my 50’s. In my 20’s I could barely make it through “the speech”, in my 50’s I was disappointed the speech was over! My wife lost sleep because I was reading it before we fell asleep at night and every 5 minutes I’d have to wake her up to tell her how something in the book was just like today. In my 20’s I didn’t quite get it, the second reading gave me chills.

    1. I need to get this book and read it. Grisham will have to take a back seat until I’m finished.

        1. When the library doesn’t have what we are looking for we try the used book shops.
          Sometimes the books are really inexpensive.

          1. we don’t have a used bookstore here anymore, but I always keep my eyes peeled at library sales (where I got my copy of de Toqueville’s Democracy in America for 25 cents!) and the big book stores when they have side walk sales (got some great homeschool books for way cheap!) But I have yet to find Atlas Shrugged. The main reason I read we the People is because I couldn’t find Atlas…. it was a excellently written and passionate story, but depressed the he!! out of me!

            1. Bummer. We read about 8-10 books a week between us, so we need the library and the used book store. Just cant buy new books anymore-they are outrageous pricewise.

  27. I’m not exactly sure I understand the contest, but I’ve often thought about how to explain what this movie is about to friends that have no interest in politics. I think I can write a concise overview that will fit into the the rules of the contest. 🙂

      1. You have to see it- The actors all show real passion, and you can tell that in their hearts they are not willing to give up their society, while so many around them are. The movie is so much deeper than your average drama because it hits on the nerve that is currently exposed in all of us here. You really identify with the characters with regards to the protagonist’s “come and take it” attitude that we should all have with regards to our freedom.

  28. May this film set straight the dishonest, revisionist history being pushed on our children. May it reveal the lie that is the liberal movement of the Democratic National Convention.

  29. I’m wondering if Part II is going to end with the plane “crash” or if the film sneaks into Part III for a paragraph or two. Perhaps a sneak preview of Part III for a taste of a happy ending . . .

  30. It is amazing to read Atlas Shrugged then hear the leftists rhetoric today – it is IDENTICAL. Rand heard it coming decades in advance.

  31. Ayn Rand, an author of stature. Though all of 5 ft, 2 inches in physical height, she stands so much taller in the international realm of prescient authors. She accompanies a veritable round table of these seeing authors, which must include the likes of Ray Bradbury, George Orwell and others.

    She, at least as much as these other two had unique abilities to understand human nature, and human history, human present, and how all of that shapes our human futures, for well or ill.

    Read a Rand novel such as “Atlas Shrugged” and you enter a parallel universe of sorts. One with headlines and events which could very well be transpositioned with it and the one we actually inhabit. You see events in one eerily emulative of those in the other, no matter that the author’s created world predates the readers present world by decades.

    Ayn Rand lived the nightmare which was actual, physical, touchable and horrible. That of the Russian foray into communism. Her life changed, in dramatic fashion, from one of privilege, comfort and well-healed confidence, to one of desperation, hunger, and deprivation. She and her family were forced from their business, their home and from freedom’s embrace, into an all-powerful, all-intrusive, spiritual dungeon of hopelessness, run by heartless, subjugative, central planners.

    While others lost all hope, while others watched their former aspirations fade into a collage of captivity, she retained a glimmer of what should be, what could still be, and what must be, for mankind to march forward up and out of that ideological dungeon.

    “Atlas Shrugged” has only gained popularity over the decades. It illuminates, with painstaking brilliance, the contrasting difference between the individual and the collective, the producers and the takers, and freedom versus slavery. It begs many questions to which it also provides answers. It paints two simultaneous portraits side by side, and the art gazer is motivated to choose and choose wisely.

    “The Fountainhead” made it to the silver screen and enjoyed success. Atlas has now made it’s leap from page to screen. The part two installment is scheduled to arrive, just in time for the most important election of our lives. A present for freedom-loving eyes and ears. A warning to those who would continue their march towards serfdom, whether they be at the head or tail of that march.

    Don’t miss it.

  32. If you can’t, or don’t want to spend the time reading ‘Atlas Shrugged’, do as I did. Borrow, rent, or buy the audio version. It’s a long “read”, but as you partake you will discover how prophetic Ms. Rand’s writings are. It is truly unbelievably spooky, how events of today’s times correlate with events in the book. It will make you shudder.

  33. I wish more companies would take a “John Galt-esc” move when confronted by political pressures for there companies views or what have you. For example, I would find it awesome for Chick-fil-A to say to Boston and Chicago “fine, we’re out. No Chick-Fil-A stores will be open in your city limits. All that are are now closed.” Of course offer new stores and severence packages to owners and the like of those stores. Same with McDonalds in San Fran when they wanted to ban the toys in happy meals because somehow parents weren’t able to overcome their childs wishes and buy them happy meals every day for every meal to make them fat. I would have said, fine, no McDonalds in San Fran city limits. Chick-fli-A and McDonalds certainly don’t need those few markets to continue to be successful.

  34. I can imagine that as soon as this movie is released, Obama will say to Harmon Kaslow, “You didn’t film that. Somebody else made that happen.” And Kaslow will say back, “Too bad that unlike your stimulus bill, my filming produced shovel ready jobs.”

  35. I don’t know how faithful the movie was to the book’s text, but some of the film’s dialog was right from the mouths of today’s Statist politicians. I’m looking forward to Part 2 because, not having read the book, I want to know how the story turns out!

    P.S. I want a Leg Lamp!

  36. My children’s names, you ask? Kalib Galt (5), Adelaide Dagny (3), Jeremiah Roark (1)…and Miriam Eleanor (1), named after my mom. “Teach your children well, Their father’s hell did slowly go by, And feed them on your dreams. The one they picked, the one you’ll know by…”

  37. Ayn Rand would not have supported either candidate. Why not Obama? The obvious: liberal policies, too much government, etc. Why not Romney? Rand was an atheist. She would never have supported a candidate who courted the extreme religious right.

      1. More times than not in her lifetime, she did not support the Republican candidate. She was disappointed by most of them, particularly by their willingness to mix politics and religion. I can’t recall a single politician she admired, but she was a big supporter of the economist Milton Friedman. One of the few contemporary politicians she could have identified with at all is Ron Paul.

    1. Define extreme religous right. Seems to me that term gets thrown around a lot. Were the founding father’s extreme religous right when they wrote “endowed by their Creator?”

        1. It isn’t the religious right who are “intolerant”, it’s the left. If you can’t see that, you need corrective lenses.

  38. From the first I heard Obama speak on he Bible and the way he interpreted it, I knew that this man does not fear the LORD. The LORD that made this country the greatest nation in the world. As a result, Obama’s oath to defend the Constitution of the United States which is liberty, the very soul of America, can not be trusted in the hands of this president. This movie puts it all in perspective and I am very happy for it’s composition. I pray that Atlas Shrugged 2 will open the eyes of Americans so that, we as Americans, see that the soul of a America is contaminated.

    After the Sikh incident in Wisconsin, Obama stated, “America needs to do some soul searching.” Well, Mr President, you are absolutely right. You are contaminating the very soul of the United States of America. “Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.”
    (Matthew 7:20 NIV)

    1. As a result, Obama’s oath to defend the Constitution of the United States which is liberty, the very soul of America, can not be trusted in the hands of this president‘ – jn

      If you recall, Obama botched his oath of office (given by John Roberts, coincidentally) and had to repeat it the next day (in private, so we don’t know what was actually said). This all leads me to the presumption that he never gave an oath to defend this Constitution or the people it was designed to protect.

  39. I first heard of Atlas Shrugged and Ayn Rand a few years ago (2008 or after) while listening to the Neal Boortz radio show. I proceeeded to get a copy and immediately loved the book, the characters and story. It’s a remarkable novel where you remember the characters and never forget the story. This summer I finally read The Fountainhead as well. I love the ideas of freedom and individualism projected in these 2 books. And these are ideas that I cherish and are part of my being. It’s so refreshing to read 2 novels that present these ideas. I’m currently reading Atlas Shrugged for the 3rd time and each time I read it, I understand something new. This past week I watched the DVD, “Ayn Rand and Prophecy of Atlas Shrugged”. I highly recommend the DVD. I do wish that I had read these books in high school or college. The ideas help to clarify one’s thought and helps one to recognize the evils of collectivism when they are being pushed in our society. I look forward to reading her story in “We the Living” as well. Reading Atlas Shrugged has led me to purchase other books such as “The Naked Communist” so I can understand the philosophy of communism. I have always been taught to pray against communism in our nation and world and Ayn Rand has helped me to understand the thinking and “The Naked Communist” is helping me further. I love how achievers are recognized as good in the story and love how good triumphs over evil in the end. And the story of Atlas Shrugged and its ideas are helping me in my business work as well, helping me to guard my thought against collective thoughts and letting in thoughts of individualism, liberty, and pursuit of happiness into my thinking.

    1. “We The Living” is the darkest horror story I have ever read. It made me cringe, from the first chapter to the final word of the last. I had nightmares about it. It caused me to despise, to an even further degree than I did before, the freedom-zapping power of a mind-numbed collective bent on usurping God with Government, and freedom with subjugation.

      In Socialistic countries, whose ultimate goal, according to Stalin, is communism, the individual is always subordinate to the state. Anytime the individual versus the state, the state is always triumphant. That end is always “justified” by any and all means. Is it any wonder that the strongman of such a state is ruthless by default? What other manner of being could squash the individual’s God-given rights in favor of an all powerful state? “The Road To Serfdom” deals with this quite well, and in depth.

      As you read “We The Living”, picture it happening here. I prefer vampires running rampant than what Rand experienced as a child, along with so many others, in Soviet Russia. It’s dark, it hopeless, it’s starvation, it’s rationing beyond belief. It’s hopelessness to the nth degree. It’s hell on Earth promising paradise somewhere beyond the now. Always out there somewhere but never approached with anything that might be considered proximity. In short, it’s a nightmare the captive dreamer prays to awaken from. Pray it never really takes hold here.

      Vote like your life depends on it, for it most assuredly does.

      1. Thanks rshill7. I appreciate your comment. I’ll get “The Road to Serfdom” as well. GPC

  40. Much like George Lucas and the incredible parallels between his ‘Empire’ and what we see of these elites in the world, it doesn’t matter what the author/creator actually believes- or appears to believe. It is very significant that we see the elites in this country, and around the world, creating a world very like these two incredible depictions of totalitarianism and the desperation that it creates amongst the people forced to live under these regimes. Like C.S. Lewis said of his religious fiction, if you can’t reach people by the front door, you must come in through the back door of their hearts and minds. This movie/book is a wake up call! America, can you hear the alarms ringing?

  41. Good luck to all the entrants – obviously I don’t want this comment to count as an entry, much as I want to see the US remain the west’s lighthouse I really can’t see me crossing the atlantic to visit a theatre… Now if there’s any victory parties planned round about November time I could consider a little trip…

    Course, no chance of this being shown anywhere in the UK – it will be considered hate speech and offensive to the local communist community.

    1. They should be offended every waking moment. What is offensive to them though is uplifting to freedom loving capitalists.

      So, is it also verboten to uplift freedom loving capitalists? Is it fine if the commies offend them?

      I’ve grown weary of all this can’t offend anyone EXCEPT traditional Christians and capitalists. Sick to death of it. I want to live in a place like that which our Founding Fathers launched. I want it, I want it, I want it!

      Let the useless as well as the useful idiots saddle up Marx and ride him into Perdition. If neither history nor common sense can knock anything loose, either in their heads, hearts or souls, I say, leave them behind in their own little unattainable dream world.

      Hell they can easily attain. Paradise? You can’t there from where they are.


  42. In the software development industry, there is a development process called “Agile”, which is supposed to get quicker results with better reliability. It deliberately forces the experts (the Makers) to give their time to the less experienced or capable (the Takers). The net effect is to deter the experts from performing their best and thus slows development speed. Experts end up deeply demoralized and give up (Go Galt). It’s another version of the 20th Century Motor Company. By the time companies wake up about the damage this is doing to their firms, upstart firms will surpass them. Thus, the Atlas Shrugged infection is spreading to the corporate world as well. I urge software developers and development managers to watch part II especially, to understand the parallels that the utopian 20th Century Motor Company represents.

    1. I disagree with your analysis of “Agile”

      I use Agile. I use it all the time. Compared to “Waterfall” and other methodologies, it is more complex (you can go back and fix things) and better tied to the way people actually work.

      To make the point better: “Iteration” methodology — is not the way of the “takers”

      1. I am glad to hear that it works well in your organization and your comment will ensure that I keep an open mind in the next agile situation I’m in.

        In the last 2 years, I’ve observed exactly as I described. Agile was being used a management tool to bludgeon everyone into compliance. The result was declining productivity, incomplete overall product, critical unfixed bugs and demoralized staff.

  43. I remember the first time I had even considered reading Atlas Shrugged; I was a sophomore in high school and looking for a new book to read, and I had recalled hearing about how Ayn Rand’s book was considered one of the most influential novels written in the 20th century. Not fully understanding the ordeal I was about to embark on, I purchased the book and started my long slog through that enormous book which ultimately took me three months from start to finish.

    Up until that time, I was for the most part apolitical(as a sophomore in High School should be), but after finishing, I couldn’t help but feel that something was beginning to ferment deep down inside of me which would later lead to my huge involvement with local service organizations and even later, political campaigns. I suppose the one idea that struck me the most from that book was the paramount importance of Freedom, and that once we begin to lose it to the government for the sake of other objectives, that’s when we lose our country.

    Now, I am a senior at an extremely liberal private university majoring in English Writing(The most liberal major at a liberal university, but I love to write); I choose my fights carefully when combating the shear ineptitude that results from the liberal cocoon, yet facts always prevail thankfully. Originally, I wanted nothing more than to be a great teacher like the ones I had in High School who helped shape me into the staunch conservative and believer in American Exceptionalism that I am today, yet now I have had to reassess my plans, and am now going to pursue a degree in law because with the state of affairs in our country today, I feel that I will be better able to help others with a JD, and helping others has always been the one thing I ever wanted to do with my life.

  44. A refugee from Soviet Russia in the 1920’s, Ayn Rand recognized the onset of America’s descent from liberty to despotism. She used an extended parable format to deliver, through a compelling mystery novel, her passionate case to recognize and preserve America’s fundamental formula for liberty. Her characters of high integrity lifted and centered me by association, and the lesson is powerful.

    Atlas Shrugged Part I has fantastic eye appeal and is faithful to the book, and I await Part II with great anticipation.

  45. ” The road is not clear,” says I. ” We will face and set right what we know is to be right.” And when it’s all said and done. We will gladly raise our hands in the air and trace the sign of the dollar ($) once more.

  46. I bought Atlas Shrugged for my mom back in the 90’s. She never read it because the print was too small. Before Part 1 of the movie came out, I decided I wanted to read the book during the summer of 2010. It was like reading the headlines. I was stunned that what Ayn Rand wrote about in the 50’s was actually happening in the 21st century. She KNEW from experience what was going to happen here eventually. I saw the movie the weekend it came out and I have a copy of the DVD. Am anxiously awaiting part 2, although I’m disappointed that the cast is completely redone. I liked the original cast. I disagree with Ayn Rand’s atheism and existentialism, but she sure got this right. Interestingly, Galt’s Gulch is patterned after Ouray, CO, which is one of the most beautiful places on earth. I wouldn’t want to be there in the winter, but it’s sure gorgeous in the summer.

  47. I’m a strong conservative, and I appreciate immensely a word craftsman who can elucidate exactly what I know but do not have the words to express succinctly.

    I may not like her lifestyle or agree with her religious views, but she described what a ‘liberal’/’progressive’ is and why precisely that is so wrong, in a powerful way I have never seen anywhere else.

    I do NOT agree with her solution to the problem, after all we are all ‘going Galt’ involuntarily right now; but nobody has ever described the problem so well.

    Loved the book, loved part I, can’t wait for the rest, very well done.

  48. From 6 years old, I grew up in Zambia, Africa. The newly independent government embraced Humanism (aka Socialism), nationalized all the major businesses, set 90% tax rates, price and wage controls. The Makers stopped producing, yielding empty shelves in the stores and food shortages, until there was nothing more the Takers could take. Zambia Shrugged. It took 20 years to hit bottom, until the people came out in droves to vote the regime out. Zambia today is one of the fastest growing countries in Africa, having embraced Capitalism, Free Markets and Flat Tax Rates. Atlas Shrugged was written as a warning to America, now unfortunately becoming reality by the day. That’s why everyone should watch the movies and better still, read the book.

  49. I’m excited about the second part. I carry the first on my iPhone and iPad.

    I have to confess that my current job is in state government. I hate it. I used to work in the private sector and miss it immensely. I took this job when I got laid off about 4 years ago. You can’t be creative in any way, and you MUST jump through loopholes just to get a friggin’ pen.

    The private sector has dried up for my second business which is considered a luxury item for many. Lawncare. That and the fact I live smack dab in the middle of the drought areas doesn’t help, either.

    I’m anxious for the change to the WH and for our economy to pick itself back up. I’m hoping that Romney keeps his word and doesn’t cave to pressures from moderates to schmooze with Dems too much?

  50. My first awareness of the “government gun” was in the 1986 tax reform, when Senator Frank Lautenberg of NJ destroyed the independent contractor business for technical and engineering personnel, in order to stuff his own pockets as founder of ADP and force more paycheck printing. I lost my will to create any more, until I read Atlas Shrugged. Ayn Rand has restored my will to create, innovate and motivated me to stealthily do so, on my own, Galt style. I went to the first screening of part I on April 15. I’ll be first in line for Part II.

  51. I am a former military officer and I served in Iraq as recently as 2011. After returning home from the deployment and leaving the military, I returned home to Pennsylvania from Fort Riley, KS to be with my wife and my dying father-in-law.

    Gene was a great guy and a wonderful father in law, even though I only knew him for a short year and a half. He taught me so much in so little time, and I kid you not, the one book that he begged me to read was Atlas Shrugged. He had it by his night stand, even though he could no longer see well enough to read and he embodied the American dream himself; as a retired Air Force Sergeant and lifelong hustler, Gene continued to use his keen capitalistic sense until shortly before he died. He sold coins.

    Gene would buy silver coins and then resell them for a small profit, but this activity kept him vital and interested in life. I firmly believe that even though he could hardly even move about his small house, he lived for his little business. It drove him to continue on, and gave him a reason to get up in the morning. He and I would watch “Storage Wars” together, which he told me that he wished he were well enough to go around and buy and sell storage units, too. I know he would have been great at something like that and it made me think that I needed to grab life before it passed me by, as well.

    But back to Ayn Rand; Gene always referred to Atlas Shrugged, so eventually I took the hint and started to read. Atlas Shrugged reaffired all of the things that I felt or had heard through Mark Levin on the radio and others through the yars, but it framed it in such a perfect way and in a wording that seemed magical in the sense that every paragraph was pure gold.

    When I left the military, I told myself that I was going to make it on my own and that I was glad to have served but also glad to have gotten off of the back of the taxpayer. It took me 5 months, but it was one of the proudest moments of my life when I was offered a job and really did begin to “make it on my own” in a way that I know Gene was smiling down on.

  52. You can see by the questions Ms. Rand was asked during interviews that she was treated as an oddity. The interviewers (media) had no respect for her views and could barley hide their disdain for her as a person. Her answers to this ridicule on camera were concise and on point. Unfortunately they were also ignored by the powers that be. Not much has changed and you can see the same template used by the media today even though many of her predictions have been proven correct. The evidence is there for all to see but is ignored, hidden, obfuscated.
    Since movies like these will never gain Blockbuster status due to the lack of explosions, skin, etc. how can the message be delivered and received to enough people that it would make an impact on our culture? It’s been over 50 years since Ayn Rand first came on the scene and society has been spiraling downward the drain steadily.
    Who amongst us can put a plug in the drain?

    1. As a start…we can show up! And overwhelm the theaters on opening day. That will make a statement!

  53. There once was an Atlas who shrugged
    The commies and Marxists were bugged

    Producers escaped before totally raped
    By the Fed whose people were drugged

    What’s this, the achievers on strike?
    Now who might the workers not like?

    Raw government power, like goat’s milk did sour
    Individual isms took flight

        1. No.. not really… I stand by my nomination! Which of course means I want to see more of your great poetry! So… so many didn’t “like” the post… so what! They simply didn’t see it so they are forgiven… I stand by my comment… Now post a poem in response ! (no pressure here) 🙂

          1. A Poem Called O’

            O’ doesn’t know and O’ doesn’t care. He doesn’t feel my pain.
            His Lewinsky is Saul Alinsky. Have a check, some stamps, build a train.

            Obama, Obummer, oh dumb and oh dumber. Has he done enough damage so far?

            On Comet and Cupid, wow, ain’t he stupid? Take a look at the ditch and the car.

            Win one for the Gipper and two for the stripper, who rrrips that title from O’!
            I’ll vote even naked, against O’ and make it, an order that says, YOU Must Go!

  54. What a great interview Scoop! Thank you.

    I have had this opening day on my Outlook Calendar for weeks, but it never dawned on me until I read this, that October 12th is just before the election.

    Duh! Sometimes I forget about the election…not for long, of course 🙂 I was just excited to see this movie as soon as it comes out.

  55. This is a great story and movie. Every family has it’s doubters. I’m showing part 1 at my house to a dozen family members then taking them to part II. They will all be better Americans because of it.

  56. All you have to do is point out that Ayn Rand was pro-choice regarding abortion, that she rejected the morality of altruism, and that she rejected religion/mysticism… and suddenly all of those “Conservatives” out there start spitting in her general direction. I’ve seen it happen first hand.

      1. She had an inherent belief in man. That they were capable of great things. Take a gander at this speech by Howard Roark from her novel…. The Fountainhead.
        Thousands of years ago. The first man discover how to make fire. He was probably burnt at the stake, yet taught his brothers to light, but he left them a gift they have not conceived. And he lifted darkness off the face of the earth.
        Through- out the centuries, there were men who took first steps down new roads. Armed with nothing, but their own vision. The great creators, the thinkers, the artist, the scientist, the inventors stood alone against the men of their times.
        Evey new thought was opposed, Evey new invention was denounce. But the men of unbowed vision went ahead. They fought, they suffered, and they paid, but they won.
        No creator was prompted by desire to please his brothers. His brothers hated the gift he offered. His truth was his only motive, his work was his only goal. His work, not those who use it, His creation, not the benefits others derived from it.
        The creation which gave form to his truth. He held his truth above all things, and against all men. He went ahead, wither others agreed with him or not. With his integrity as his only banner.
        He served nothing and no one. He lived for himself. And only by living for himself, was able to achieve the things which are the glory of mankind. Such is the nature of achievement.
        Man can not survive except through his mind. He comes on earth unarmed. His brain is his only weapon. But, the mind is an attribute of the individual. There is no such thing as a collective brain.
        The man who thinks must think and act on his own. The reasoning mind cannot work under any form of compulsion. It cannot be subordinated to the needs, opinions or wishes of others. It is not an object of sacrifice.
        The creator stands on his own judgment. The parasite follows the opinions of others. The creator thinks, the parasite copies. The creator produces, the parasites loots. The creators concern is the conquest of nature. The parasites concern is the conquest of man. The creator requires independence. He neither serves nor rules. He deals with man by free exchange and voluntary choice. The parasites seeks power. He wants to bind all men together in common action, and common slavery.
        He claims that man is only a tool for the use of others. That he must think as they think, act as they act and, lived in selfless joyless servitude to any need but his own.
        Look at history. Everything we have, every great achievement has come from the independent work of some independent mind. Every horror and destruction came from attempts to force men into a heard of brainless, soulless robots. Without personal rights , without personal ambitions, without will, hope or dignity. It is an ancient conflict, it has another name. The individual against the collective.
        Our country the Nobelist country in the history of man was born on the history of individualism. the principle of mans inalienable rights. It was a country where men were free to seek his own happiness. To gain and produce, not to give up and renounce. To prosper, not to starve, to achieve, not to plunder.
        To hold as his highest possession a sense of his personal value. And as his highest virtue, his self respect. Look at the results. That is what the collectivist are now asking you to destroy as much as the earth has been destroyed.
        My ideas are my property. They were taken from me by force, by breach of contract. No appeal was left to me. It was believed that my work belong to others to do with as they please. They had a claim upon me without my consent. That it was my duty to serve them without choice or reward.
        I do not recognized anyone the right to one minuted of my life. Nor to any part of my energy, nor to any achievement of mine, no matter who makes the claim.
        My terms are a mans right to exist for his own sake.

      2. It’s ALL interrelated.

        Her views on Capitalism come from her ethical views (Selfishness is a virtue; altruism is evil), and her ethical views come from her metaphysical views (Objective reality; A is A) and epistemological views (Reason is man’s only means of gaining knowledge).

        You can’t just say “I like the Capitalism stuff, but I dismiss everything else”; it doesn’t work like that. She explained WHY Capitalism is compatible with her ethical views and incompatible with the altruist ethics; she explained WHY her ethical views are incompatible with the metaphysics of mysticism and the epistemology of faith.

        1. So all other capitalists who have religious views are wrong and hypocritical in a sense that their views don’t agree??

          And I can’t agree with Ayn Rands views on government interfering with the economy if I disagree with her religious and moral views??

          1. Yes, Capitalism is incompatible with Mysticism and with Faith. That doesn’t mean that there won’t be religious people who advocate and support Capitalism, but it does mean that those same people won’t be able to defend Capitalism on an intellectual/philosophical basis. The most you can get from a pro-Capitalist religious person is a defence that is based on concretes (examples/arguments for it in reality) – But the problem with defending it solely on concretes is that Capitalism’s opponents attack it’s on moral, epistemological and metaphysical grounds. Capitalism’s opponents don’t give a sod if Capitalism produces amazing prosperity, productivity, and so forth – Because they can’t stomach that Capitalism is a social system based on self-interest. Self-interest, they believe, is inherently immoral/evil. Self-sacrifice for the sake of others is the primary source of virtue/good and is a moral obligation, so they believe. Look at Christianity’s “good samaritan” parable. Look at Jesus’ “self-sacrifice” for the sins/sake of all Mankind. It’s altruism through and through. All of this crap is utterly incompatible with the self-interest of Capitalism.

            1. First, I don’t know what mysticsm has to do with anything.

              Jesus didn’t “self-sacrifice”. God sacrificed Jesus. Jesus even asked that “this cup be taken…” from Him in the garden the night of the last supper (although He also stated that God’s will be done). The bible also has verses in it talking about personal responsibility and earning a living on your own merits and not mooching off of society. It talks of not being a “slave to the lender” and not to continually borrow.

              I’m not sure of the exact “good samaritan” parable that you are talking about but giving to people out of charity, I assume what you’re referencing, is good. Thats how people got health care who couldn’t afford it before the DHHS and gov’t got involved. Charity is a big part of a conservative society. The bible doesn’t come out an say it directly but belief in Christ and the Bible causes conservative values, hence most religious people are conservatives.

              How can someone of faith not argue for Capitalism on an intellectual basis?? Religious people can argue the same facts of capitalism that an aethist can. Your wrong about the defence of capitalism being only in self-interest as if I create something, out of self-interest, it helps someone else somehow. Either through entertainment, helping with some facet of life, making something more efficient and easier, etc etc. So although I may have created something because I thought it was a good idea and I could eventually make a lot of money off of it look at the results it produces. Look at cell phones now. How much of our lives do we incorporate onto our iPhones?? Were they created because Apple thought they could make money? Sure. But they produced value to the people. If there is not value to another person out of efficiency or entertainment or whatever then no one will buy it and your idea will fail. Thats capitalism. So someone may create something out of “self-interest” but it is always providing a service of some kind to others. So where is the argument lost there? My self-interest has created something that someone else wants to use for THEIR SELF-INTEREST. I’m still helping other people so how is it not compatible with your views of Christianity??

              1. Religious people can’t defend Capitalism, because Capitalism requires them to defend it on moral grounds. What will all those religious people do when the statist Left starts denouncing the selfishness of Capitalism?, eg. “Making profits? A right to pursue happiness? That’s selfish! And we know that selfishness is evil! Self-sacrifice is the primary source of virtue; self-sacrifice is a moral obligation.”

                You ask what mysticism and faith have to do with anything, but it is precisely those two fundamental philosophical ideas that give rise to the morality of altruism. Just ask yourself the questions: Why should man sacrifice himself for the sake of others? Why must man be a sacrificial animal? What is that morally good? – Your answer won’t be earthly; it will be mystical and faith-based, eg. “Because God said so”. There is NO earthly reason for any of those questions.

                Quote: “Your wrong about the defence of capitalism being only in self-interest as if I create something, out of self-interest, it helps someone else somehow

                That’s the exception, thankfully, and not the rule.

                If you think you’re going to defend Capitalism from attacks based on altruism, by using altruism …. then you’re doomed to failure. In fact, you’ll actually give Capitalism’s opponents your moral sanction by doing so.

                One needs to defend Capitalism on the grounds that self-interest is a virtue, and that self-sacrifice, or as I put it “human sacrifice” is immoral. But yes, you can’t do that can you? You’re religious and you don’t want to look like a hypocrite in front of all those statist altruists.

                1. I can defend it regardless of “self-sacrifice” or not. I’m not sure you exactly know what you are talking about in terms of self-sacrifice and religion. God puts people of faith in different positions in life to influence and push forward his Kingdom. Do you think Joel Olsteen is not rich and is just full of “self-sacrifice” why does he charge money for his books then? Your image of all religious people having to “sacrifice” everything is wrong. The bible asks for 10% (a tithe) not 100.

                  And back to my original point that everyone does something in capitalism because their is a demand for it. The left hates it because capitalism causes the individuals in society to not need the government for much more than “national” defense. Even the states have forces of their own for defence and the people have the right to keep and bear arms so that they might form a militia to aid in the defense if required to deter a foreign agressor or a corrupt government, thats another argument though. Capitalism keeps the individual free from government and forces individuals to depend on each other for their needs. You need food the farmer grows it. Farmer sells you food you give him money or another agreed upon barter and both depart happy. Government is nowhere in the equation. The same for all facets of life. Doctors provide medical treatment for a fee. Someone provides you a means to travel around and the fuel for that means, both for fees. You need shelter, someone builds a house. You buy house, same as above. Everything in capitalism exists for the benefit of two parties. It couldn’t work any other way. So saying it is selfish because a lot of people want what you sell or isn’t your fault. If I’m the only doctor in town so I make a lot of money because everyone comes to see me how am I selfish? I can’t provide the service for free because I have to take care of my family (as the bible says one should do).

                  So your argument that in my one case of making something is not the exception. It is the rule because everything exists in a capitalist society because there is a demand for it. When there is a demand some one will supply. The supply gains something, money most often in our society, and the demand gains the product or service they need or want. Both parties are helped. Thats why capitalist societies have the least amount of poverty and that poverty is usually at a higher standard of living than the level of poverty in say a socialist or communist country.

                  So your argument that capitalism only helps one party and is therefore selfish and “unethical” or “immoral” and thus cannot be supported by the religious is just flat wrong. To any liberal coming with the same argument as you I would give them the same defense I just did with you. They are just wrong. Plain and simple.

                2. Quote: “Both parties are helped. Thats why capitalist societies have the least amount of poverty and that poverty is usually at a higher standard of living than the level of poverty in say a socialist or communist country

                  It cannot be said to be a “selfless act” if I sell you a product that has less value (to me) than the $100 you trade me for it. I stand to gain/profit from the trade. It is not a self-sacrifice; there is no sacrifice involved; it is not a selfless act.

                  If you benefit from that trade because you value the product higher than the $100 you paid for it, then you are also gaining/profiting also from that trade. It’s what’s called a “win win” scenario – But you see, altruism makes “win win” scenarios impossible, because it demands that you have NO gain/profit from your actions; that only others gain/profit from your actions, particularly if those others are “in need”. According to altruism, you dilute your virtue if you have ANY selfish gain/profit from your actions. So in our example, you’ve been selfish; you’ve gained/profited from that trade… tsk tsk tsk! You should have simply given the product away; you should have sacrificed yourself for the sake of others.

                  Altruism doesn’t permit you to ‘want/desire to live’. Altruism demands that you simply be a sacrificial animal for the sake of others, with no rights, no human dignity, no self-interest whatsoever. To practice altruism consistently you would have to immediately run to the nearest cannibal and offer yourself to be eaten. When you apply altruism consistently, you see that it is nothing more than a morality of death.

                  That poverty in socialist and communist countries is precisely the result of the morality of altruism being applied on an entire nation. When man isn’t morally permitted to seek his self-interest; when self-interest is denounced as evil; when (human) self-sacrifice is considered morally good… then nationwide poverty is the result.

                3. Pure altruism doesn’t stand up in Christianity. We are human. We sin. We are not perfect and are not expected to be. Did Christ heal every sick person He came into contact with? No. Did He say “All your problems are gone and there is nothing more that can harm you.” No, He could have but he didn’t. Adam and Eve were kicked out of the Garden of Eden yet God could have permitted them to stay at their benefit but He didn’t. So this claim that Christians need to strive for pure altruism is again wrong. Christianity does not say you need to be purely altruistic and does not expect you to. Christianity does not say profit is evil. Christianity does not say you must sacrifice everything for others. Your view of religion and altrusim is confused. To put it plainly you are wrong. The biblical teaching of Jesus that if you give a man a fish he eats for a day, teach a man to fish and he eats for a lifetime shows that altruism isn’t “required” in Christianity. If it were I would have to fish everyday for this man and give him my fish so he can eat, which makes him dependant on me. But when he learns to fish and can catch his own fish we both gain because I no longer have to fish for him everyday and he is no longer dependant on me to eat.

                  You are correct however on the morality views in socialist and communist countries. But what do some socialist and all communist countries have in common? A lack of religion. Religion (Christianity) states that you should help your fellow man when you can and he is in need. It does not say become poor yourself so your neighbor is rich. It doesn’t say the government should do it and you should ignore it.

                  Christianity does not say profit is evil and it does not advocate for you to “self-sacrifice” for your fellow man at the detriment to you. It states if you can help and have the means then you should. It does not say you should give him handouts and make him dependant on you. Again, a tithe is 10% not 100.

                  Edit: Show me in the bible where is says profit is evil?

            2. I don’t see it. I mean, yes capitalism is self serving- you need to work before you can eat. You want the benefits of working for yourself-food, clothes, shelter. Yes those basics are all self serving, just as the grander scale of capitalists are self serving. But the jist of it all, is what you do with what you have left over. Christians who have no problem with capitalism can see it as a good thing because it means more wealth for charity. Socialists are opposite, they see private and individual wealth as something unfair and untrusted- something the government needs to distribute more fairly.
              Anything can be seen as good or evil- depending on how you look at it or treat it.
              I mean, even the Good Samaritan while he would have done what he did without money to pay the inn keeper, still had money to pay the inn keeper. Most Christians I know who also believe in Capitalism are the same way. They would give their last dime to help a fellow human, but they would also keep working to try and make another dime.

              1. Quote: “Christians who have no problem with capitalism can see it as a good thing because it means more wealth for charity

                That’s a justification based on altruism. It’s only good, Christians say, because it means “more wealth for charity”. It isn’t because man is free to pursue what he values in life, and because man’s individual rights are recognized and upheld, no no no – It’s just because of an altruistic reason. And therein lies the problem, because until you are able to justify Capitalism on the grounds of self-interest (as is the case for the two things I mentioned), then you are doomed to lose the intellectual battle against the statist Left. They will come straight out and attack the ‘selfishness’ of Capitalism, and you will be UTTERLY defenceless against it. What? You thought your altruistic argument would help? NOPE! It’s actually helping the Left and giving their arguments your moral sanction.

                1. Nope! The left doesn’t attack altruism. They attack selfishness. You are their prey. We are their undoing. You are upside down and backwards in your self-worshiped philosophy.

                2. I have no idea what you’re talking about anymore. what is the big deal about what the left thinks anyway? I enjoy the fruits of capitalism because I can buy things when I work for them. The left would have me give half of what I earn to the government so they can do what they feel like with it because they think they know better than I do with what to do with it. I’m a Bible believing Christian who likes capitalism.

                3. I am sorry, but you don’t have a solid grasp on the philosophical aspects of Christianity. Free market capitalism is as Christian as anything ever was, but what we actually have is corporate crony capitalism. In our system, government and corporations run every aspect of our lives via regulatory means. Taxation is not fair and equal. There is nothing Christian about our system. Welfare and social systems are inherently evil, as they require theft from one to support the other.

                  There are many different kinds of capitalism, so you would have to be more specific when you compare a general word to a specific belief system.

                4. Quote: “Welfare and social systems are inherently evil, as they require theft from one to support the other”

                  That’s perfectly acceptable because, according to altruism, if some men are too selfish to sacrifice themselves for the sake of others, then they should be forced, at the point of a gun… for their own good, for the good of society, for the good of the needy, the sick, the helpless, the aged, and so on.

                  You might think it sounds un-Christian to force people like that, but it is perfectly consistent with the altruist morality, and it is precisely that morality which spurs the statist Left to advocate human sacrifice for the sake of others, no matter whether it’s social security, medicare/medicaid, the community reinvestment act, various redistributive policies… or gas chambers.

                5. Altruism in its voluntary form is a good thing, hence the Christian experience. Christianity is solely based a voluntary acceptance of Christ as our leader, and a completely inert lifestyle as it pertains to others. The bible teaches that the flesh is that which is selfish, and selfishness is based on wanting good things for ourselves. When the bible says “do unto others” it is speaking from the context of good things only. The bible also teaches that it is wrong to offend others, and that any activity that we engage in that offends, concerning our faith, is to be avoided.

                  Voluntary altruism vs forced altruism is the real issue here. Altruism by the State can never be a good thing, because government doesn’t have anything that it didn’t take from others. It really is that simple. Thou shalt not steal.

                  Capitalism is the only economic system that allows a maximum amount of freedom, while still having government. Socialism, communism, fascism, etc. rely on the state controlling all resources and activities, and therefor will produce fewer individual freedoms.

                  We have capitalism, but it is not a free market capitalism. Our capitalism has transformed into a crony corporate system where government and corporations work together to control all of the resources. Now, we have globalism that is taking over the whole thing, which is going to lead us into authoritarianism, then an eventual totalitarianism.

                  This is what happens to all societies, and human corruption is the reason. On the flip side of the coin, human beings become lazy and lose their survival instinct that would keep corruption at bay. Ignorance is death in this world.

            3. Can’t compare Christ’s sacrifice to the giving of money. He sacrificed for something that can’t be bought or earned!

        2. A is A? Is B also B? What if you have no idea what A or B really is?

          Wrong. You can and should cherry pick all day long and into the night. I will proceed to cherry pick you all across this thread and into the next. Go forth and read that cherry picking below.

          If I lose “the contest” as a result, I will feel vindicated via a much more virtuous quest.

    1. I don’t doubt you have seen it, but I do not agree that “…all of those ‘Conservatives'” are like that. I consider myself conservative, I disagree with her views on religion and her atheism, but see the value in her contributions in illustrating the morality of capitalism. We don’t have to agree on everything, just find common ground.

        1. Um, Ayn Rand is dead and she certainly isn’t running for office. I think we can cherry pick here. She understood that free markets are moral and socialism is evil and destroys societies.

          1. Unless you accept the entire philosophy, then all you can offer are concrete arguments in defence of Capitalism, but Capitalism’s opponents don’t care about concrete arguments; they NEVER have. You can give countless examples of how great Capitalism is, but they will NEVER embrace it, because they reject it on MORAL grounds; they believe that it is evil, since Capitalism is based on self-interest, not self-sacrifice for the sake of others. The only way you can truly defend Capitalism is to advocate self-interest as a virtue, and self-sacrifice as vice. Furthermore, even deeper than that (philosophically speaking), one also needs to advocate Reason, rather than faith, emotion, instict, intuition, or other forms of “just knowing”… AND one also needs to advocate Objective reality, rather than Subjective reality where anything goes, where wishes and whims can change the nature of reality, where supernatural entities control the universe and dictate how man should live, and so forth.

            1. Many Liberals will never embrace Capitalism. But the concept of Capitalism isn’t evil or wrong imo.

              To me, Capitalism is as simple as: If a person works hard and provides a product or service that others want or need, then the self-sacrifice of effort to produce that product or service is rewarded by being profitable. I think it’s (at least initially) based on self-preservation (self-interest)… we all gotta eat. Over time with success and more money coming in, it can then grow. More people are hired to produce more product or services and the originator is rewarded by increasing yield, etc. Inherently, I don’t see the greed – at least not in the beginning. But the love of money is indeed the root of all evil and power and money can corrupt.

              All the other philosophical and religious stuff that you’re pointing to is not necessarily, automatically connected imo. I try to work hard and do a fair day’s labor because that’s the example Jesus set. I strive to be honest and charitable. I pay my taxes willingly and I tithe. And I take care of others as I can, financially, physically, emotionally, etc. I thank God for success and for the energy and passion to do what needs to be done. And I acknowledge that without God, anything that I may attempt on my own is in vain. I may make money and gain some wordly success but if I lose my soul in the process, then it’s a waste. Because moths and rust will corrupt my earthly treasure and I will eventually die and leave it all behind… but my soul will live on into eternity with the Lord… that’s the rewards for a good and faithful servant.

              So, how I make my money, what I do with it, etc. may define me… but we shouldn’t be villainized for wanting to work for our wages. And working harder to be better off isn’t a sin.

              1. Quote: “the love of money is indeed the root of all evil and power and money can corrupt

                Listen to Francisco D’Anconia’s money speech from Atlas Shrugged – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTQqFGLDdJ0

                Quote: “Capitalism is as simple as: If a person works hard and provides a product or service that others want or need, then the self-sacrifice of effort to produce that product or service is rewarded by being profitable

                See this is the problem. Your defence of Capitalism is laced with altruism. Self-sacrifice?? How is it a self-sacrifice to give up something of lesser value in exchange for something of greater value? – Answer: It’s not. Do you think that to give up anything, even 1 cent in exchange for 1 dollar.. is a “self-sacrifice”? No, you cannot defend Capitalism with altruism. Capitalism’s opponents use altruism against it, yet there you are, trying to win the game by their rules. It won’t do. Capitalism can only be properly defended by advocating self-interest as a virtue, and by denouncing self-sacrifice as the evil that it is; just as evil as it was when Aztec priests took humans up to the top of temples and sacrificed them to the Gods. All human sacrifice is evil. End of. There can be NO good from it.

                This has, of course, all been covered in Ayn Rand’s book “The virtue of selfishness”

                Quote: “All the other philosophical and religious stuff that you’re pointing to is not necessarily, automatically connected imo

                Your opinion is wrong. Philosophy is structured in such a way that metaphysics and epistemology result in ethics, and ethics results in politics and aesthetics. Ayn Rand showed how Capitalism (politics) is derived from the ethics of self-interest, and how self-interest is derived from the metaphysics of objective reality and the epistemology of reason. It simply isn’t possible to result in Capitalism from philosophy which is based on the metaphysics of mysticism, the epistemology of faith, and the ethics of altruism. Treating man as a ‘sacrificial animal’ is not consistent with capitalism, and it NEVER will be.

                Ask yourself the simple questions: Why should man sacrifice himself for the sake of others? Why should man be treated like a sacrificial animal? Why is that (morally) good?

                You’ll find that there is no earthly reason for any of these questions; it’s all mysticism.

                1. I respectfully disagree with your position. I won’t go so far as to say your opinion is wrong… everyone’s perception is based on different things. I found my truth and will remain faithful to it.

                  I will respond to the last part of your response:

                  An unsaved man would not likely give himself up for the sake of others – it goes against the flesh. However, if they are filled with love or are faithful to the will of the Lord it is possible. Jesus demonstrated that love so perfectly with His crucifixion.

                  You don’t sound like you believe in Christ or the Bible or accept God’s love or promises… that’s a shame. No God, no peace… Know God, know peace. I’ll pray for you.

                2. He doesn’t understand anything beyond what he can see, i.e., the flesh, and similar, touchable, see-able objects. To him, there is nothing beyond that in humans. He’s missing out on much.

                  Consider this: The only air I do NOT have faith in is that air which I CAN see.

                3. I’m not missing out on anything, because there is nothing beyond it to miss in the first place. Reason is man’s means of gaining knowledge. There is NO other way. You can talk about faith, revelation, ESP, or other completely unsubstantiated means all you want, but the fact remains that Reason is our only tool for understanding anything in this universe, and you have no argument until you can provide an experimentally provable means of gaining knowledge some other way.

                4. My faith is not of the blind variety. It is supported and substantiated by all kinds of reasons.

                  How do you know “there is nothing beyond it to miss in the first place” Is it because you know what you don’t know, you don’t know what you do know, or because you don’t know what you don’t know? I don’t think you know either way.

                  Also if you are inferring there is no God partly based on the Theory of Evolution, you are hanging your hat on nothing. No evidence whatsoever. The observable evidence supports the intelligent design model to a T. There is nothing in nature, the fossil record or anything else that supports Darwin’s theory.

                  Whether the Earth is an open or a closed system, the Law of Increasing Entropy, AKA The 2nd Law of Thermodynamics, makes it impossible, not to mention the mathematical odds. Reason through that awhile. By the way, which theory of evolution do you espouse(?)…there are several.

                  You believe in miracles indeed if you believe there is no God. If it is a miracle either way, I prefer to follow the evidence rather than worshiping a silly theory like that of macro-evolution. One should be confident in one’s beliefs but yours provide nothing to be confident in other than wishful thinking, missing evidence and fraud, kept alive only through the politicization of science.

                  Why did Rand reject everything about communism except for it’s atheism? She would have done well to reject it all. So would you. Perhaps she was angry at something she claims doesn’t exist?

                1. Thank you. I think this guy is over-thinking it, is a lost soul, or is spoiling for a fight. I’m not going to go farther than I have because he seems to have already made up his academic mind… much to his own peril.

                2. I agree they over thinking things too much, it just starts sounding like mumbo jumbo after awhile.

                3. LOL..couldn’t agree more! I couldn’t read it all. He/she must have had theasaurus or something to come up with some of those words.

                4. I agree, I think he’s a little of all of it. I might be simple minded because I just can’t see the point of over annalyzing everything to death, and I feel bad for those who think they must.

                5. No, you could school him nine ways to Sunday Sister, at which time you could escort him to church via ten different routes.

            2. They can argue it anyway they want. They always have, but they’re wrong. You can’t sacrifice something you don’t have. Socialism never works- the people at the top who have whatever they want and need, who distribute to the masses as they see fit- there’s no compassion, no selflessness, no sacrifice, no charity.
              All it is is self appointed ‘gods’ granting to whom they want or deem worthy, and there’s nothing morally good about it.

              1. Socialists, Communists, Nazis, Marxists, and many other evil ideologies throughout the ages have argued that self-sacrifice for the sake of others is the primary source of virtue and is a moral obligation. There is no argument that you, or any other altruist can give, for why people should not then be thrown into gas chambers at the point of a gun, to be “sacrificed” for the sake of others, for the sake of society, for the sake of the state, for the sake of some bureaucrat’s latest four year plan, etc.

                Drama: Don’t tell me about “man’s individual rights”, Kordane. That’s SELFISH! you cry. That’s EVIL, you cry. How dare you tell me, Kordane, that man has a RIGHT to pursue his happiness! That’s SELFISH, that’s EVIL! Man should sacrifice himself for the sake of others. THAT is the noble ideal! THAT is the primary source of virtue! And if he’s too selfish to sacrifice himself, then by golly, we’ll force him to be sacrificed for others! Jimmy, throw Kordane into the furnace, burn him alive! How dare he preach such selfish/evil things as man having a right to pursue his happiness.

                This is how it happened. This is how the commies and the nazis justified their massacres. It was ALL altruism. It was ALL about treating man as a sacrificial animal; a worthless piece of fodder with no individual rights.

                1. The individual also has the right to be altruistic, does he or she not, “sir”?

                  You are rebutting yourself quite nicely here. It’s entertaining if nothing else.

                2. They do have that right, but it is the right to self-destruction, and should be regarded as nothing more.

                3. Now you’ve really lost me… or it. I have no idea. Are you comparing Christians, by calling them altruistic to nazis and commies because you call them altruistic? what is the point of your whole day’s rant anyway?

            3. Agree with what Sober_Thinking says. It is self sacrifice when you work hard to make money. You are producing a product or service for someone else.

              I fail to see any self sacrifice in socialism or communism.

              1. “It is self sacrifice when you work hard to make money. You are producing a product or service for someone else”

                If you give $1 in exchange for $100, you cannot call that a “sacrifice” since you profited from the trade.

                So (to answer your example) when you work hard and produce a product to sell, you are trading the lower value (to you) which is your effort and product, in exchange for the greater value (to you) which is the money you get paid for the effort and product. You profited from that exchange. You didn’t bloody sacrifice anything!

                It is never a sacrifice when you give up something of lesser value to you, in exchange for something of greater value to you. It is ONLY a sacrifice if you give up something of greater value to you, in exchange for something of lesser value to you.

                Altruism demands that you sacrifice everything and gain NOTHING from it; not even a sense of joy. If you gain anything from it then you are diluting your virtue, because you’ve had some selfish gain in it

                You want it both ways. You want to be selfish, but also be selfless. That contradiction will destroy you, if the Left doesn’t do it first.

                1. The Bible teaches that all men are created in the likeness and image of God and thus are all of equal value before God. As a Christian I believe it is wrong for one person to be enslaved to another. Christ does teach us to look after and care for our fellow man, and help those in need. I believe in doing this, but not by force. It is to be voluntary. A charitable act for your fellow man is a service rendered to God. God wants us to act out of love for him not because we are compelled to act by the state.

                  I believe in economic freedom because taking away the fruits of a man’s labor is immoral. The Bible says thou shalt not steal. You seem to think that economic freedom and Christianity is not compatible. I would argue that without the morality that Christianity gives to a society economic freedom cannot survive. You say that you believe that society should be based upon reason. Well I may reason that I have a gun and you don’t and because I am supposed to look out after my own self-interest I will take what you have for myself. However because I am a Christian and believe in the objective truth of God’s word, I know that coveting and taking what belongs to you is morally wrong. Socialism, Communism, and Fascism aren’t a result of altruism. They are a result of covetousness. Of people deciding they can take away from those who have for themselves.

                2. Oh brother. The person that purchased the product thought it was worth the price. A person has to make a living in order to feed and clothe themselves. These things have to be met before a person can be altruistic.

                  Socialism and Communism is not altruistic. Taking peoples’ money and leaving them in bread lines.

                  Free markets are where it’s at. You don’t think it’s altruistic for a person to work and make money…that’s your opinion. The fact is though, free markets produce food and products and medicines that makes everyone’s life better. Communism and socialism does not.

                3. 1. “A person has to make a living in order to feed and clothe themselves. These things have to be met before a person can be altruistic.”

                  They can be altruistic right this second, by immediately running for the nearest cannibal so that they can eat them, and the altruist can fulfil their moral obligation to sacrifice themselves for the sake of others, with absolutely no selfish gain for them whatsoever. If you want maximum virtue, then this is your only real choice. Why dilute your virtue by selfishly seeking to feed/clothe yourself? You should consider yourself nothing but a meal for a cannibal. THAT is the greatest, most supreme virtue, according to altruism. Altruism demands YOUR death; anything else would not be as noble.

                  2. “Socialism and Communism is not altruistic. Taking peoples’ money and leaving them in bread lines”

                  When human sacrifice for the sake of others is regarded as a moral obligation and primary source of virtue, then there is no reason that any altruist can give for why people (who are too selfish to sacrifice themselves for the sake of others) should not be forcefully sacrificed for the sake of others, at the point of a gun. “Taking their money?” That’s just the government helping you be moral, because you’re too bloody selfish/evil to sacrifice yourself voluntarily.

                  3. “You don’t think it’s altruistic for a person to work and make money…that’s your opinion”

                  It’s totally illogical to say that it’s selfless to work and make money. Selflessness would be if you worked and gave away all the money to others; if you regarded yourself as nothing but a slave for the sake of others.

                  If I eat a loaf of bread, am I being selfish or selfless? According to you, I’m being selfless. Well what the heck happened to giving that loaf of bread away to others who need it, and thus denying yourself that loaf?

        2. Economic or systematic governing philosophies are a complex issue. Any attempt to reason them out without considering human nature is going to lead to failure in determining what system of economics or government would serve the individual, or the society, the best. If you take a position that morality is relative, then you deny the nature of man, and his inability to do right with power. The founders of this country had determined that man is inherently evil, and will destroy itself if left to its devices unchecked. In a system of government that reverses the typical flow of power, and allows freedom of trade and movement under a moral governing body which only seeks to keep corruption and harm at a minimal level while allowing capitalism to thrive without corruption, you have a system that is moral and satisfies the basic principles of the bible. If you stray from this system by denying the moral structure behind it, then you get what we have.

    2. Maybe she rejected religion in her personal life, but did she think Christianity was bad for society?

      1. I don’t know of any quote, but as an Objectivist myself, I would argue that Christianity is better than Nihilism, but only marginally. Although, Christianity is bad when compared with Objectivism though, since Christianity preaches some pretty destructive ideas, such as Mysticism, Faith and Altruism (albeit a lighter form of altruism than was advocated by Immanuel Kant).

        Society would be best if the dominant philosophy was Objectivism, where it embraces Objective reality, Reason, Self-interest and hence… Capitalism.

        1. Call me simple- but I don’t see what teachings from the Bible are destructive. I don’t go for all the fancy named things such as mysticism and atruism. I go for what the Bible teaches. Love God with all your hear, mind and soul, love your neighbor. Do unto others. whether one is poor or rich, these things are possible to do.

          1. Its altruistic teachings preach that self-sacrifice for the sake of others is the primary source of virtue and is a moral obligation. When put into practice, you get ideas like Communism, which are based on the morality of altruism, which lead individuals into gas chambers for the sake of others, for the sake of society, etc. Communsim, Nazism and Socialism, all based on altruism, led to the deaths of over 150 million people. In all of those ideologies, the self-interest and hence individual rights of Man was denounced and rejected. Man was seen as a “sacrificial animal”, like common cattle, up for slaughter to anyone, with their “needs” as their only claim upon their lives.

            “Love thy neighbor”? What a TOTAL injustice! What if your neighbor is a murderer? What if they slept with your wife/husband? And so on and so on… Yet you are told “love them”. It is a total rejection of the concept of justice. Immoral people deserve to be denounced, and if they’ve done bad things, punished for their crimes. Not bloody loved!! Don’t you realise that you’ve been told to believe that injustice is right?

            “Do unto others as you would have them do to you”? Again, what a total injustice. It’s basically telling you “Hey, all you need to do is figure out what you want done to you, and then you have free reign to do it to anyone else!!” If you want people to murder you, then you have the Bible’s sanction to go around and murder people. If you want people to steal from you, then you have the Bible’s sanction to steal from other people. And so on and so on. It’s an utterly evil line from the Bible.

            1. Oh good grief, I really do feel bad for you Kordane. I’ll be praying for you. If that’s mystic or ultruist or whatever, don’t worry about it. If we all have it all wrong and there’s no Jesus, then my prayers won’t matter to you. However maybe some day you’ll find out how much He and others love and care about you…. without thinking of what good we can get from it.

              1. I my gosh, I just couldn’t read most of his posts!

                It’s quite simple, we all have a right to the fruits of our labors.

                1. If you got lost, then you should go back and re-read my posts and try to understand them, rather than reply to them without any understanding of what I actually said. It is rude to reply to someone without first understanding what they’ve said, or even reading what they’ve said.

                2. The line “we all have a right to the fruits of our own labors” is inherently selfish and therefore at odds with the altrustic logic of “you are your brother’s keeper”.

                  There is a contradiction which Christians must rectify. Either you are your brother’s keeper, OR you have a right to the pursuit of happiness. You can’t have your cake and eat it too; you can’t both be selfish and selfless at the same time; either you are a sacricial animal, OR you aren’t a sacrificial animal.

            2. Dude, you need to study Christianity a lot more before you go making these assertions. Your understanding of it is infantile at best. What you don’t understand is the spiritual aspect of the bible. You can quote it all day long, but until you understand the context and meaning of it, you will just sound ridiculous. You seem like a smart person who can grasp concepts well, but you need to understand a thing before you form these kinds of opinions.

                1. It sounds like he/she is young, and mostly likely learning something new in college. I’ve seen it before. They grasp a new concept, but support their new understanding by contrasting it with things that they haven’t studied before.

            3. “We fight for and against not men and things as they are, but for and against the caricatures we make of them.” J.A. Schumpeter
              I think you are arguing against a caricature you have made of Christians and of the Bible. Before teaching about loving our neighbor, the Bible teaches man was created in the image of God, therefore each individual has inestimable worth. That is why true Christian teachings do not lead to the gas chambers, to the murder of invalids or the mentally handicapped, etc. And speaking of love, I do not think that word means what you think it means. Real love is perfectly compatible with justice. If my neighbor is a murderer, allowing him to suffer the consequences of his exercise of his free will is love. Do you not have children? It takes an act of true love to allow them to fail and to suffer the consequences of their bad choices. It is also an act of love to spend my time and effort to care for them and help them reason so they don’t make so many bad choices. Is this altruism? or is it self-interest?

              1. “It is also an act of love to spend my time and effort to care for them and help them reason so they don’t make so many bad choices. Is this altruism? or is it self-interest?”

                An act of an emotion to do something? Hmm no, that makes no sense. Emotions encourage you to do actions, but they certainly don’t make you do actions independently of the rest of the mind.

                I would argue the following:

                IF you spend time with your child because your time is of lesser value (to you) than the greater value (to you) of spending time with your child, then it is a selfish act.

                Whereas if you spent time with your child, even though your time is of greater value (to you) than the lesser value (to you) of spending time with your child, then that would be a selfless act – Although I would denounce you for valuing your time higher than time spent with your child, since it’s a pretty terrible for a parent to consider it a “sacrifice” to spend time with their child.

                The same goes for exerting effort or helping them in some way.

                If you’re just rational about it by sticking with the simple principle that “a sacrifice is when you give up something of greater value (to you) in exchange for something of lesser or no value (to you)”, then it all makes sense and you can parse it pretty easily as to what would be selfish (non-sacrificial) or selfless (sacrificial).

                1. My use of the word “love” does not refer to an emotion. Love is in the intellect and the will. It is a decision and an action. I agree, making decisions and actions based solely on emotions is not good practice. Also, my use of the word sacrifice differs from your understanding. When I haul myself out of bed every 2 hours to deal with a sick child, it is a sacrifice. It is one I am willing to make because I have made a committment to love my child. So using your definition of selfish or selfless, if I have determined that it is a greater value to me to give the fruits of my labor to someone else, it is selfish (non-sacrificial)? (I am not talking about coerced giving, I do not believe that is moral or helpful.)

                2. Good of you to admit that. I would point out though that the use of the word “sacrifice” is used (wrongly, imo) to refer to any time you give up anything of value to you, no matter the value of what you gain in exchange (even if you gain more than you lose). This isn’t your fault though. It’s part of Western culture to use the word in that way, because people want to seem altruistic, since the dominant morality is altruism, and it instructs them to sacrifice if they want to be moral – And so people say claim they’ve “sacrificed”… so that others do not think them immoral.

                  I’m sticking with my view of “sacrifice”, since it makes far more sense, and isn’t a facade played out of guilt.

            4. You need to reread your last paragraph here. You have it completely backwards. You’ve taken a scripture and have twisted it into a pretzel. Also, your circular reasoning is spinning in the wrong direction.

              1. If one takes the line literally, then that is the conclusion one must draw. The line was probably written on the premise that people wouldn’t want others to do bad things to them (murder, theft, etc), and so they’d all get along nicely – But the reality is that the line provides a moral sanction to anyone who wants to do bad things, so long as they want bad things to be done to them too – And there are plenty of psychopaths like that out there.

        2. Christianity is never “bad” regardless of what it is compared to. All of “objective reality” cannot be observed, so you really have no idea what it is, what it contains, who made it, who controls it and who could alter it. You may as well enter a foot race with no feet…or legs…or opponents.

          If Rand had an Achilles heal it would have to be her atheism.

          Everything from nothing? Undirected, without intelligence? Please.

          1. Objective reality is best defined by the law of identity: “A is A”

            Or in other words: Things are what they are, independent of any perceiver’s consciousness.

            But from what you’re saying, it looks like you’ve bought into skepticism, which is an epistemological idea, rather than metaphysics.

            I’m happy to answer your questions concerning the nature of reality, since you’ve clearly heard weak arguments.

            You ask how you can get everything from nothing – Very simply, I say, so long as you accept that time began at the same moment as the big bang occurred. That matter wouldn’t need to have come from anywhere, since there was no time for it to exist, since you can’t have a before a beginning, otherwise it’s not really the beginning. Furthermore, you don’t need a creator for this, since the act of creation would require time for a) the creator to exist in, and b) the creator to create the universe.

            Undirected without intelligence you ask? Well that’s simple! All you need to do is accept that there are an infinite number of unique universes, all with their own unique outcomes and start conditions (amount of energy, physical laws, amount of matter, etc). There, now you can have ‘our’ universe end up the way it did, because it was just one outcome of an infinite number of outcomes. No intelligence needed for that at all!! 😀

            But go ahead, believe in your fairy tale “God”, which itself is a contradiction since who created the creator? who created the creator’s creator? And so on and so on… Nothing, you say? Well how come you have a problem with the universe coming from nothing, but you have no problem with this supernatural being coming from nothing. Mysticism never really makes any sense if you think rationally about it.

            1. You obviously don’t recognize it. You’re a simpleton wrapped in much useless, intelligent sounding, crap. You are clueless as to what is and what isn’t. You start with a fallacy and extrapolate it to the nth degree of duncedom. You don’t know butkiss. Keep pretending you do though. It makes you sound like an intelligent fool.

              1. You didn’t listen to a word I said, did you? I told you how you could get everything from nothing, but you didn’t care. I told you how you could have a universe without a supernatural intelligence, but you didn’t care. Why even pose these questions to me, if you are just going to ignore my answers and stick with your crazy and illogical religious explanation? Don’t ever ask those questions of anyone ever again, unless you actually want an answer.

                1. Sure, I listened. It’s dumb IMO. Your verbal gymnastics is nothing but silly self-rebutting. No doubt you could convince yourself of anything given enough time, words and space to house them.

                  Time is malleable, changeable…fluid. It is not a fixed thing like an earthbound clock might register. Einstein proved that. You can’t box God into time as we observe it. You cannot box Him into 3 dimensions either, nor chain Him to the laws of physics we are bound with.

                  The fact remains that you deign try to explain something that is inexplicable. The mind of man hasn’t the capacity to do so…yours included. It does have the capacity for arrogance without a cause though, as you have so adeptly illustrated in this thread.

                2. Time always begins at some point. There has to be a “beginning” to it, because that is in time’s nature. Even in those theories that say that there are lots of other universes that came before this one, there has to have been a point at which time began. I think it is simpler just to conclude that this universe began when time began, which is to say at the point of the big bang. At 0 seconds our universe is just a set of start conditions, and when time begins, those conditions play out the way that they have done. Multiverse theory solves the “why this particular outcome/universe?” question, since an infinite number of different/unique universes solves the need for any intelligence to direct the outcome.

                  If you don’t agree with any of it, then fine. It works for me, it makes sense to me.

                3. OK, now I know I’m not the only one tired of your nonsensical and circular arguments. I have not a clue about most of what you’ve been ranting about for the past 2 days now. I like logical discussions as well as every one here, but this is bordering on offending some folks. we will always be open up to theological discussions, but when you start telling someone their beliefs are crazy and illogical- you’re done.
                  Figure out what you want to say, be polite or don’t come back. Consider this a warning.

    3. Kordane, I disagree with Rand immensely in regards to having capitalism without a moral compass.
      And in clarifying that, she did have the correct perception that those with drive to create will bring about others to have a benifit. Crony capitalism exists because of a lack of a moral compass. Capitalism is most successful when it combines moral behavior. The alternative is the present day of tyranny….notice “nanny” is almost spelt out with tyranny?

      1. Who said Ayn Rand advocated Capitalism without a moral compass? Ayn Rand was a massive advocate for a morality true and proper to Capitalism – Egoism/Self-interest.

        “Cronyism” (I don’t like attributing any part of it to Capitalism) is a result of the Mixed Economy, not Capitalism. Cronyism is immoral because it involves government violating the individual rights of Man. Capitalism is a system in which those individual rights are absolutely recognized and most importantly protected by the government. A society in which the government protects individual rights.. is a society which can be said to be Capitalist.

        Yes, creative/productive individuals do benefit others, but that is rarely ever their motivation – Their motivation is to make money for themselves. But you see, Conservatives can’t stand that, nor can Liberals, because it’s inherently selfish to want to make money for yourself. Greed, conservatives and liberals cry, is a sin. Both are wrong; altruism is wrong.

        1. If altruism is wrong, why are you taking the time to try and explain it? Are you being altruistic?

          You might consider dismounting from your atheistic high horse and standing behind said horse until he kicks you in the teeth. It would save you a lot of wasted time here kicking yourself in the teeth. Not to mention the possible hyper-extension of a hamstring or two.

          1. It is in my self-interest to refute the morality of altruism. If altruism was destroyed as an ethical argument, then man could instead embrace egoism, and I know that I would benefit immensely from that kind of world, because man would have a moral sanction to be man.

            1. And Man was “made in the image of God”. We are so much higher than the rest of the animal kingdom in so many ways. Is it our opposable thumbs that do it for us? No. Is it our capacity for language? I don’t think so.

              Mankind can create highly complex machines, music, art, architecture. Man can paint pictures that look like photographs. Man can plan, read, write, love, hate, and yes, sacrifice himself or another. He has freewill too. He is neither a puppet nor marionette.

              Suppose you were the bridge operator of a bridge which large ships traversed under and a train traversed over. What if your son were climbing around the bridge works below and fell into it’s massive gears, stuck fast. You look at your son. The bridge is open, the ship made it through and now a train loaded with hundreds of parents children, aunt’s, uncles, brothers and sisters, all unrelated to you as far as you know. Do you leave the bridge open and let the trainload of people catapult from that open bridge like Evel Knievel jumping the springs at Caesers Palace or do you close the bridge, crushing your own son in order that the trainload of people make it safely across?

              Think about it.

              God had a similar choice with His son.

              1. I quote from Galt’s speech in Atlas Shrugged: “Man has been called a rational being, but rationality is a matter of choice—and the alternative his nature offers him is: rational being or suicidal animal. Man has to be man—by choice; he has to hold his life as a value—by choice; he has to learn to sustain it—by choice; he has to discover the values it requires and practice his virtues—by choice. A code of values accepted by choice is a code of morality.

        2. What morality did she advocate moral capitalism with? I will agree that a person could formulate a fair and balanced system based on scientific mathematical equation, but human nature will derail the possibility of it becoming a sustainable reality. How do you best determine how to factor in human nature? The bible has human nature nailed down to a science, so following the precepts of the bible in considering any economic or sociological system is key to success. The bible gives stability and consistency to those who agree to follow it, which is something that mankind has always failed at doing on his own. Relative morality screws up any equation that is used to govern people.

          1. Read “The objectivist ethics” in Ayn Rand’s book “The virtue of selfishness”. That will answer all your questions concerning the morality that she advocated.

    4. I have heard many LIBs say the same thing, perhaps as a talking point, because Objectivism is a huge threat to Marxism, but that has not been my experience. I am a Barry Goldwater Conservative but I work with many Christian Values Voters who love the message of Personal Responsibility in Atlas Shrugged and how it relates to Personal Liberty. I will give you the benefit of the doubt when it comes to your experience with Conservatives spitting upon hearing about the personal lifestyle of Ayn Rand but the Christian Conservatives I work with organizing Freedom Rallies and Tea Party events are cool with my Heathen lifestyle as long as I pose no threat to their right to practice a Christian lifestyle. I respectfully bow my head when they pray and they respectfully leave the room if I fire up a joint. We are “for” nothing other than pushing back against tyranny.

      1. I hear you, man. Christians should be free to be Christians; they have an unalienable right to do that.

        My problem is with Conservatives who think that they can defend Capitalism on the grounds of altruism, rather than on the grounds of self-interest; who think they can defend Capitalism on the grounds of mysticism, rather than on the grounds of objective reality; who think they can defend Capitalism on the grounds of faith, rather than on the grounds of Reason.

        I say that there is a philosophy proper to Capitalism; there is a philosophy which is the antithesis to the anti-Capitalist Left’s philosophy; there is a philosophy that provides the best/strongest defence for Capitalism …. And that philosophy is Objectivism.

        Conservatives don’t embrace Objectivism because their dark secret is that they actually embrace much of the anti-Capitalist Left’s philosophy, but unlike the Left, they aren’t so blind and enamored with statism; they are at the very least capable of actually seeing how wonderfully amazing Capitalism actually is.

        Capitalism needs a proper defence. It cannot be defended by people who try to defend it with altruism, or by people who defend it by arguing the half-hearted “yes, it’s selfish and therefore evil, BUT it results in great prosperity for everyone, so it’s good in that respect” – Neither defence will do. What’s needed is to defend Capitalism on the grounds of self-interest, completely and utterly. It is only the Objectivist philosophy which is actually doing that.

        1. The Bible teaches that all men are created in the likeness and image of God and thus are all of equal value before God. As a Christian I believe it is wrong for one person to be enslaved to another. Christ does teach us to look after and care for our fellow man, and help those in need. I believe in doing this, but not by force. It is to be voluntary. A charitable act for your fellow man is a service rendered to God. God wants us to act out of love for him not because we are compelled to act by the state.

          I believe in economic freedom because taking away the fruits of a man’s labor is immoral. The Bible says thou shalt not steal. You seem to think that economic freedom and Christianity is not compatible. I would argue that without the morality that Christianity gives to a society economic freedom cannot survive. You say that you believe that society should be based upon reason. Well I may reason that I have a gun and you don’t and because I am supposed to look out after my own self-interest I will take what you have for myself. However because I am a Christian and believe in the objective truth of God’s word, I know that coveting and taking what belongs to you is morally wrong. Socialism, Communism, and Fascism aren’t a result of altruism. They are a result of covetousness. Of people deciding they can take away from those who have for themselves.

          1. I have read this continuing dialogue between Kordane and various other members for several days and had decided to stay out of it until just now. What changed my mind were the last two comments that seemingly ended the topic, one by Kordane, some 7 hours ago and the last by gtrjag84, some 4 hours ago. I believe these last two comments did an excellent job of explaining the two opposing positions in this discussion.

            I believe Kordane is absolutely correct when stating that Capitalism cannot be defended by Altruism or Mysticism. Self-interest is the only Philosophy that will get the job done. But, I also believe like gtrjag94, Rshill7 and some of the other members, when they state that Capitalism is consistent with Christian values and the moral values that large numbers of us believe in come from God. I don’t like debating with atheists normally, because I believe it to be a waste of time, but Kordane possesses a rather impressive intellect, whether you agree with the person or not. Also great debating skills, which I always admire in anyone. Whether there is more to the conversation or not, I would have to say I enjoyed the exchange. So much so, that I explored a few links to gain more information. Here’s a good one:


            It is a lecture series entitled, “Objectivism 101,”by a man named Joseph Rowlands.
            Extremely interesting stuff if you have the time. If you only have time to read just one chapter, make it #40 Altruism. The entire series relates to Ayn Rand’s books.

  57. Andrew Breitbart said that politics were downstream of culture. Could this be Obama’s “Little flower girl”? Could it be that this film is part of the re-awakening of America? If the first film is any indicator – I would say “YES!”

    I can’t wait to see this movie!

  58. I appreciate this interview and am humbled to be involved with a site that provides such excellent commentary, news, and content. Thank you for this rare glimpse into what is sure to be an inspirational and moving presentation.

      1. Agreed. I will not be able to go to the movie but I will buy tickets online anyway as a monetary show of support.

        1. Presently unemployed, so if you desire to purchase your tickets for Hawaii, i will gladly go to the movies for you….!

    1. Sober your comments are always great the main reason is you are sober thank you my friend.

  59. Before reading Atlas Shrugged, I had a general sense that a lot of things were … wrong. But I didn’t really know how to articulate why they were wrong. After reading it, I could express precisely why those things were wrong, and had a logically-consistent way to explain it to others. And I understood what Robert Heinlein had written in The Moon is a Harsh Mistress in the voice of the old philosopher Bernardo de la Paz, when his Rational Anarchism was compared to “Randite” philosophy: “No, but I can live with a Randite.” These two books together probably brought more people to libertarian thinking than everything else combined.

    I have not entirely embraced Rand’s Objectivism, but it’s very helpful in identifying flaws in arguments. It allowed me to resist the drumbeat of leftist nonsense in college. For that, I owe Rand a great deal, which I try to repay when her work is attacked dishonestly.

  60. I am an entrepreneur who was paying very high taxes for years until Obama became president and my business dried up. The policies of the Obama administration, particularly over-regulation and Obamacare, have reduced my business to nothing. Living on my savings for the past 3 years, I have paid NO taxes. I am John Galt and I can’t wait for Part II.

    1. Many of us decided to shut down at this juncture. If the US keeps down this road, may have to look into going completely Galt. Did he actually leave the US? No, they redirected their energies into creating something else. That is what I am going to do. If Romney wins and does not completely reverse everything they implemented within 3 months, I will never again contribute to our society.

      One must take a stand, the lefties supposedly back folks peacefully non complying, we shall see.

    2. My husband has never been unemployed until Obama took office. He’s an engineer that at one time worked for NASA. Not one word about the Mars landing from Obamass today. Congratulations to the brilliant team at JPL/NASA and their achievements.

    3. Maybe you could teach young people how to be a successful entrepreneur like you have been. Please read the interesting article about how young people no longer go to trade schools and over 54% go to college and get out in debt and can’t get a job or are underemployed thanks to Obama’s failure to unleash our economy. He promised hope and change and gave us hype and chains. http://www.hillsdale.edu/news/imprimis/archive/issue.asp?year=2012&month=05 The parks and rec dept. in every city are always looking for instructors & people to offer classes. They take care of most of the expenses and do the advertising for you.

      You may also want to check with YAF.org They are the caretakers of Reagan’s Legacy and conduct seminars and special events geared towards teaching young people conservative values & why capitalism is the best way.

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