Freedom Caucus votes to CONDEMN Justin Amash

The Freedom Caucus has voted to condemn one of their members, Justin Amash, after he came out in support of impeaching Trump this weekend:

THE HILL – The conservative House Freedom Caucus took an official position condemning Rep. Justin Amash’s (R-Mich.) call for impeachment on Monday evening, Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) told reporters.

“We had a good discussion and every single member, I think now based on who was there and our board meeting was probably over 30 members, every single member disagrees and strongly with the position Justin took over the week, and we’re focused on the now,” he said.

“I mean, look, we’re focused on the fact that what the FBI did was wrong. We think that [Attorney General William] Barr’s handled himself exactly the way the American people want the Attorney General to handle themselves, and he’s going to get to bottom of all this.”

While members did not discuss whether they should hold a vote to oust him from the powerful group he helped found, many expressed frustrations with his position. Amash said he determined the president committed “impeachable offenses” after having read the full redacted copy of Mueller report.

I think if he continues this they will vote to oust him. It just seems untenable that he could hold this position and be a part of this caucus.



Some members went on the record:

“What concerns me is Justin was viewed as a leader, right, on protecting privacy rights first to First Amendment rights,” Jordan continued.

“We had a press conference like a year ago with Rand Paul, Sen. [Ron] Wyden all on concerns about civil liberties and how the FISA court operates and what can happen in this whole, you know, this whole area, and now Justin’s, on the other side and I just don’t understand that.”

Rep. Warren Davidson (R-Ohio) said “they consider him a friend” but noted Amash has not attended the majority of Freedom Caucus meetings this year or held a meeting of the Liberty Caucus — the conservative caucus he founded and chairs — this year.

“You look at it, no one’s been a stronger voice on the potential abuses of FISA than Amash. I mean, he’s a passionate guy on it. So a lot of us agreed, and I remember we were all at a big press conference right before the reauth[oritzation] of FISA which was right before all this stuff came out about all this stuff with Trump,” he told reporters.

“So to look at that and see him take the position he is, I mean, it’s shocking. And then I had no conversations with him about it. And I think that was another thing he just didn’t really talk to the group about it.”

It is shocking and seems very self-serving.

The rumor going around is that Amash may jump in the 2020 presidential race and try to primary Trump. I just can’t see that going anywhere when taking positions like this.

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cookiebob
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Doesn’t it seem like all that Mueller stuff is being taken out of context? It is highly likely Trump had many meltdowns, which didn’t go anywhere, because they were framing him, his friends, and his family as Russian spies!!!

And still he didn’t panic and stop the investigation, I don’t know that any one else in government would have shown that control!

THEY WERE FRAMING HIM!!!

It really can’t be taken out of that context.

Plus, what other politician has been vetted this intensely for two years, and NOTHING was found?

I am amazed Trump doesn’t have more in his closet. I thought he did. So did they, but they found NOTHING! Nothing more than he didn’t like being framed as a Russian spy.

K-Bob
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I can’t see him getting traction anywhere except among Trump haters.

Unless something new and drastic pops up, Trump will lose exactly zero votes from last time around.

Zero.

A-Zeee. Ha-Row.

[Minor caveat: Some folks will have died, of course. But that will be offset by huge numbers of former Trump skeptics on the right who will vote for him in 2020, after witholding their vote last time. Which is what I did, and quite a few folks here have stated they did, too.]

cookiebob
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Me and about 6 of my family members… but we aren’t in places it matters, Democrats win my state, no matter what, which is why I felt it was okay not to make that terrible choice… Trump or Hillary.

It really matters that people in those places it does matter did what I did…

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AvatarK-Bob My wife and I along with my two sons will be voting for tRUMP this time around. He definitively has been much more conservative then I ever thought he would be thus has earned our votes. I was a good tRUMP bad tRUMP guy and leaned to the never side for a while but that is all over now and he has earned it.

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If anyone’s going to primary Trump, it would have to be from the outside. Like a 2020 version of Joe the Plumber.

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If you want to understand why Amash did and said what he did, follow the money! He owns a company in China so the tariffs are going to hurt his bottom line. Just my opinion.

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I am going to suggest that the republican party, the Hill, Fox News, and etc, completely ignore the subject of Impeachment, and it’s proponents, to the utter exclusion of even the word, just as CNN and the MSM carry no news of the investigation of the corruption in the Obama administration that started this mess.
(even though they would try to impeach regardless just on the basis of Trump not being part of their club)

Colonel Beauregard Sanders III
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Primary Trump? No. He’s thinking of running as the Libertarian candidate who could pull enough Republican votes away in Michigan that the Democrat wins. Purely a sabotage candidate as that’s the only thing Libertarians are good at.

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The way the LP screwed over their more sane voting base last time, I can’t see them pulling votes from Trump at all. More likely they’d pull votes from Dems who are sick about AOC and the jihad sisters.

But Amash has killed his political future. Best he can hope for is being like the Dennis Kucinich of the Republican party.

cookiebob
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Dennis Kucinich, is at least, an honest man… I don’t see Amash as having that kind of credibility ever.

sjmom
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I guess his family’s business in China is more important than his Congressional seat which he’s about to lose. BTW he has ZERO chance of beating Trump in a primary

Michelle Lee
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Him and Biden are China’s stooges.

sjmom
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@Michelle Lee……….and there are probably more we don’t know about.

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I think what Amash said was condemnable. And I’d be fine if he paid the price for aligning with the democrats on this. As for running for POTUS, no chance at all at this point.

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Next thing you know, he’s going to come out and say he’s a demoncrat and he’s running for President. LOL I wonder if someone got to him? Knowing he would have privileged information of some sort. It seems blackmail is rampant in politics.

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Enough nice talk Jordan, hold a vote to oust him, PERIOD.

He may CLAIM that he values 1st Amendment protections but it’s ACTIONS, not WORDS, that matter here.

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Amash will primary Trump? Besides David French, who else will vote for him?

Talk about ending your political career by pushing a failed collusion narrative… oh well, I guess the Koch Brothers really got to him.

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The guy who’s going to primary Amash sounds pretty good.

Thor77
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I’m surprised at the way Amash came out against Trump. But then he has never been shy. He might actually bring up a libertarian challenge to Trump, enough to split the vote.

The freedom caucus is also a joke … they complained about Obama’s spending for 6 years and then helped Trump outspend Obama and add 2 trillion to the deficit in 2 years while they held all 3 branches. They cucked away their principles in a heartbeat

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Thor77Thor77 Exactly. The Freedom Caucus should change its name to the Trump Caucus. Its members suck up to anything Trump does (no matter how liberal) and have abandoned conservative principles.

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https://www.rollcall.com/news/politics/house-members-voted-leadership-budget-deal

It’s very easy to paint every GOP rep as a big spender when deficits occur while they have a majority but a little more looking at the details will show you that by in large the Freedom caucus has not bought into deficit spending as you are saying.

Here is just one article highlighting this but…Most Freedom caucus members have voted against deficit spending regardless of which party is in the White House. It’s the squishy middle of the GOP that have no problem with deficits as long as they are done under a GOP president.

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They have voted the right way, but kept it very quiet. Token votes mostly. When I see the Freedom Caucus members rail against spending like they did during Obama times, I’ll believe they still have their nuts. Not sure if you remember, but deficit was a curse word during those times. Now it’s shoved under the rug with a few nay votes. While the water it’s self is important, the kind of support that has rallied around and the information spread about it is the true value

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AvatarTMFB But you’re not looking at this right way. You must attack the freedom caucus because they mostly support Trump and haven’t joined the Democrats in condemning him like Bill Kristol and others.

Your attempt to look at the details of votes is nuanced and thus unwelcome by those just wishing to smear everyone who doesn’t have a simplistic and childlike understanding of politics.

TMFB
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You are correct…I forgot that Orange Man Bad is priority #1.

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I’m actually more okay with Amash’s belief that Trump should be impeached than his attack on Barr. I’ve never shied away from the fact that Trump behaves inappropriately.

Barr, however, did nothing wrong. These attacks on Barr are just Democrat partisan talking points and any intellectually honest person shouldn’t have fallen for them.

Tracy
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Good point, the attack on Barr was worse.

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I’m not OK with it. Trump is the victim of demonrat hate and harassment because they didn’t get what they wanted. So now they’re throwing temper tantrums trying to get their way again. No collusion was found. No crime committed then how in the hell could he have obstructed justice? He’s been victimized since before he took office and I for one am sick to death of it. Then to have Amash call for impeachment?!! Give me a break, his only concern is how much the 25% tariff is going to effect his profits from his Chinese company. He’s proven himself to be a grade A loser.

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I’m not saying I’m okay with a Trump impeachment, it’s just that Trump is complicated. He lies a lot, does things that people are right to feel kind of disgusted with, etc. I don’t know of anything he’s done that’s strictly impeachment-worthy, but Trump does himself no favors from time to time. It’s a discussion you could have with a reasonable person as you examine the evidence. But Barr is a different story. Nothing he has done is even reproachable, much less impeachment-worthy. The guy has been doing everything by the book and these complaints against him are obvious fabrications and political attacks. It’s like the Kavanaugh situation. The very notion of using some guy’s high school yearbook and hazy/incorrect accusations from some girl who claimed that he rolled around with her on a bed in high school and was therefore trying to rape her — that was just way… Read more »

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I was a Cruz supporter and reluctantly voted for Trump in the general. I am now a huge fan of Trump. He is conservative, although there are times he talks like a progressive, he LOVES the USA and he fights back. I was so frustrated with GW Bush, he just took it and never said a word. I’ll take Trump’s fight any day! He’s actually teaching some Republicans to have some balls and tell it like it is. He’s not afraid of the name calling either because he gives better than he gets and the man has been on the receiving end of the demonrat BS since before the election. Then to have Amash come out and spew this crap is the final straw. Trump committed no crime which was the conclusion of a bunch of Clinton lovers, and we all know they tried their best! There is NO PERFECT… Read more »

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The context doesn’t suggest that Amash is acting out of conviction. I’m finding it harder to believe now that he is.

john
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He made the America hating fake news liberal media very happy and did so intentionally. He will be going to those news outlet and get paid well! This low life should be recalled and unseated

Tracy
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I still think he is setting himself up to challenge Trump. Likely joining Libertarian party.

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Yeah sure he will jump in the Presidential race. But more likely as a Democrat than a Republican

sjmom
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WendzPNWWendzPNW Was thinking that is a possibility. Tlaib wants him to come to her office most likely about impeachment. They’re both Israel haters and Palestinian.

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He fancies himself as another Ron Paul. Ron Paul is his idol.

kong1967
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I hope he does try to primary Trump. He will be squashed like a bug. I’d be surprised if, in the event he doesn’t run, he can even beat the guy that’s challenging him for his Congressional seat. There’s going to be massive support for the challenger and money is going to be against Amash. He sure didn’t think about his future.

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He’ll have a cushy job at CNN.

kong1967
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ryan-oryan-o Yep.

ryan-o
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This was obviously self serving on Amash’s part. There was no other reason to pull this other than to get the backing of the propaganda machine.

kong1967
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ryan-oryan-o Lol, I deleted my first reply. I see the theory of challenging Trump in the primary is coming up. I think that might be what it is. It will fail.

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ryan-oryan-o Ironic. He tried to make it sound like he was taking a strong and principled stand, but most people are going to see it as self-serving instead.

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I believe it’s because he’s ticked off at the 25% tariff and how it’s going to effect his pocketbook. He owns Dynamic Source International in China.

Tracy
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Stick a fork in him, one of liberties best defenders is now defending the deep state. Feels bad man.

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