Godless liberals ATTACK Franklin Graham for reminding Buttigieg about what’s IN the Bible!

Oh boy are the Godless liberals upset tonight.

They’re really angry because Franklin Graham reminded Pete Bootey-judge what the Bible actually says about gay homosexuality.



Their empty little heads are imploding:

Now I happen to dislike how many Christians are looking the other way when it comes to Trump’s clear and obvious sinful offenses that he has gone out of his way to NOT ask forgiveness for, but that doesn’t mean we just ignore what Biblical teaching has been for two millennia. You can bet that there are still a few people who believe in what the Bible plainly says. Even if none of those are Democrats.

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179 thoughts on “Godless liberals ATTACK Franklin Graham for reminding Buttigieg about what’s IN the Bible!

  1. Who is claiming President Trump, or any man for that matter, is a model Christian? We all have screwed up and need God’s mercy and grace. We cannot do it ourselves.

    Read your Bible, most of the characters were major screw ups. It was almost as if sinning was in their nature. Abraham slept with the help ( slave girl). Moses killed an Eygptian, King David slept with one of his soldier’s wife, got her pregnant, and then had the soldier killed when the soldier refused to sleep with his wife. Salomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines and built temples to their foreign gods. Peter denied Christ 3 times and was a hot head. Mathew was a tax collector (tax collectors being notorious for stealing). Doubting Thomas. Saul/Paul stood by as Steven was stoned and then persecuted Christians.

    God is soveriegn and chooses whomever he wants when he wants to accomplish what he wills.

    BTW who has compassion on the LQBT people those who say it is OK to activily pursue those lifestyles that our Bible clearly says will lead to God’s judgment and an eternity in the Lake of Fire, so they can get along with everyone? Or those, like Rev. Graham, who are willing to risk ridique or worse to warn people in the LGBT lifestyle to repent and accept God’s grace now, before they end up facing God’s judgment and then being thrown into the Lake of Fire?

  2. Look, what ticks me off with the Trump reference is – HE IS NOT DOING THIS NOW!!! It is in his P A S T! If he were doing it now, I would agree. But he is N O T!

    As Christians, ALL things have become new & we are forgiven. DO NOT ever allow people around you that bring up your past because once you repent, you are FORGIVEN – period! New creatures in Christ.

    I hate this crap so much. It’s like they don’t know Christ or have never read the bible.

    1. @msliberty You mean like when Bill Clinton was President or when Ted Kennedy was a Senator?

  3. Hey, all those condemners of Trump – you have THE biggest LOG in your own eyes! Did they ever read (of course not) what Jesus said about the adulterous woman…yeah, I don’t think so!

    Please Lord Jesus, separate the wheat from the chaff…P L E A S E!!!

  4. How is Trump involved here?? I did not read one reply that addressed Graham’s comment. It was insult only.

  5. Several Biblical scriptures on homosexuality:

    -“You shall not lie with a man as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.”
    (Leviticus 18:22)

    -“If there is a man who lies with a man as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act.”
    (Leviticus 20:13)

    -“For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural sexual relations for that which is unnatural and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural relations with woman and burned in their lust toward one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men and received themselves the due penalty of their error. Furthermore, God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought no to be done.”
    (Romans 1:26-28)

    -“Have you not read that He who created them from the beginning made them male and female, and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? So they are no longer two, but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate”-Jesus
    (Matthew 19-4-6)

    – Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
    (1 Corinthians 6:9-10)

    Other applicable verses:

    -Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. (Galatians 6:7 )

    -If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. (1 John 1:8)

    Does Buttigieg ever quote scripture?

  6. Going to church doesn’t make you a Christian any more than going into a garage makes you a car.

  7. Now I happen to dislike how many Christians are looking the other way when it comes to Trump’s clear and obvious sinful offenses that he has gone out of his way to NOT ask forgiveness for, but that doesn’t mean we just ignore what Biblical teaching has been for two millennia.

    None of us are pure as the wind driven snow. As humans, we all have done things in our life that are sinful. It’s part of the contract of being in the flesh.

    1. As was spoken from the cross, “Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.”

  8. a full out war on Christianity is coming- it is almost illegal to now state that God views homosexuality as an abomination. The point here is that butwhateverhisname is, is living in open sin, continues living in open sin, and claims God approves- big big difference between what trump did in the past, and what butwhateverhisnameis is doing now

  9. Hate the sin, love the sinner. I don’t know if I ever knew any homosexual people prior to two years ago. I met a very nice lady at my senior independent living complex. She is now a dear friend, we have a great deal in common, we love dogs, good coffee, we’re close in age, of the same generation – twenty years younger than most of the folks here, like same music. She has never indicated that she is gay, other than her haircut, that’s not flattering. I took care of her dog when she was in the hospital for a few days and she has that rainbow flag on her fridge. She isn’t Christian, however, I hope I can convince her someday to accept Jesus, as she is one of the most caring individuals I know. Will I, would I vote for Buttigiug? No way! You all know how I feel about demoncraps.

  10. Buttplug twists scripture to make himself feel better because he knows he isn’t right. It’s like the fat woman on the other post, twisting the truth, trying to make herself feel better about being obese.

  11. I’m surprised they haven’t yanked his Twitter account. But I was quite disappointed in him with the last election.

  12. Franklin Graham only speaks the truth of the True God and His word, the Bible is the truth! Old skanky homos cannot stand the fact that the truth puts them up against God! I know your hearts know the truth! Does God love His people? Absolutely, but the road to Heaven is a narrow path and Jesus gave His life for that path to be free to you. BUT you must turn from your sin and confess it is sin. If you live in your sin, there is no Holy Spirit in your heart!

  13. It is not loving, nor kind to wink at sin, whether it be adultery, lust, murder, hate or any other manner of sin. It is not judgmental on our part to point out what GOD said in HIS word, which is what Graham did here. How is it love to watch someone clearly go against the word of God, knowing that if they continue in their sin, that they will go into the lake of fire? When you do quote scripture ACCURATELY know that you will NOT be popular, and in fact will be hated. Jesus promised us that. We just have to love God more than the world, and truth more than to believe a lie. I don’t think Graham has hate in his heart. He is merely stating God’s word and giving PB a chance to repent. Due to the nature of man, he probably won’t repent, but will only hate anyone who tells him what God’s Word really says. What bothers me, is all of the PB’s who claim to be Christians but are clearly defying the Bible, and then are throwing judgment at people like Mike Pence. Not only are they lying to themselves, but lying to the world as well, and bringing hate down on a godly man.

  14. From the arguments I’ve had with some anti Franklin Graham people, they feel he’s inconsistent. That he hasn’t held Trump to the same standard. I think he should clear things up publicly by mentioning that what Trump did in his personal life was wrong too. But otherwise, Dr. Graham is correct in his statements.

  15. Buttplug and the rest of the vile demoslime can shut their holes and have fifty trillion seats when it comes to God, Jesus Christ and the bible. These slime denied God and Israel three times at their 2012 Convention. Buttplug is trying to bastardize Christianity.

  16. >> Mayor Buttigieg says he’s a gay Christian. As a Christian I believe the Bible which defines homosexuality as sin, something to be repentant of, not something to be flaunted, praised or politicized. The Bible says marriage is between a man & a woman—not two men, not two women. <<

    This is inarguable. Sodomy is one of the sins that cry out to heaven for justice.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sins_that_cry_to_heaven

    The "blood of Abel": homicide, infanticide, fratricide, patricide, and matricide.
    Sodomy
    The "cry of the people oppressed in Egypt, the cry of the foreigner, the widow, and the orphan": slavery
    The "injustice to the wage earner": taking advantage of and defrauding workers

  17. First of all stoop,you have no idea whether or not Trump has asked for forgiveness for the things he’s said or done when/if he prays and neither do I! My hope is that he has. Buttigieg’s position on these things is openly against what the Bible teaches! One said and did his stuff 8-10 years ago while the other is openly promoting his anti-Christian lifestyle daily! See the difference?

  18. Well Franklin and Soopermexican are both correct. The Bible is clear on sin. However, we need to be consistent, regardless of party.

  19. Just one question, how do you know he’s not asked forgiveness for those sins in private? That is between the president and God, correct? John 8:7, “When they kept questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, ‘Let any of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone on her.'” Yes we are to go those who have sinned and confront them but then we are called restore them. I’m a big sinner in need of my Savior every day. I confess those sins that separate me from Him daily. The point Rev. Graham is making is Pete’s blatant disregard for God’s Word and flaunting his sin as being OK. IMHO

  20. There’s an old saying that we may be the only Bible some people ever read. Now, truly, there are some people who think God is all love and no justice or righteousness. But I don’t know which is worse — those who think that, or those who think their brand of righteousness aligns with God’s when, if they’d only read the Bible, they’d find out different. Any sin will keep you from heaven, and we’ve all sinned. That’s why we needed Someone to purchase our pardon, to pay the full price for our sins and be able to say triumphantly, “It is finished!” We enter into the good of that not by following rituals or attending any particular church, but by trusting in Christ’s finished work on the Cross to have completely paid for our sins. He sits now at the right hand of God because there was nothing left for Him to do — “It is finished!”

    This is the message that Mr. Graham should be focusing on. It’s always sad to see men in his position get into politics. Anyone who’s read the Bible saw that Christ didn’t get into politics. If there was a time for it, it would have been when they brought Him the news in Luke 13:1. He didn’t say a word against Pilate. He turned the topic to spiritual things.

    But if someone like Mr. Graham wants to talk about men in politics, he needs to realize that sexual sins are sexual sins. Just because he prefers a man’s politics, he shouldn’t decide that his man’s sexual sins are better than another man’s. The Apostle Paul told us that sexual sins were in a category by themselves because they were sins against our own bodies. That goes for any sexual sin.

  21. When Trump starts claiming GOD says it ok for him to be an adulterer, serial harassing p#ssy grabber. I’ll come down on him like a ton of brinks. As it is Mayor [email protected] gobbler is trying to claim that not only was he “born gay” but it’s how GOD made him purposely….. Not even remotely close to squaring with biblical teaching. Look in the grand scheme of things we all have our sins, challenges and spiritual obstacles to over come. Otherwise Jesus would not have had to suffer our pain, shame and humiliation for us. But to pretend that the bible doesn’t spell out plainly that homosexuality is a sin? As a Christian he should be trying to address this flaw in his character and live a clean and pure life. Will he fail, certainly at times. Will he need help absolutely which is why the Holy Ghost exists….. But it is Anti-Christian to try and rewrite the word of GOD to meet your sinful needs… Period…. HARD STOP.

  22. I would have started with calling out Buttigieg for his hypocrisy in judging Trump for his transgressions against Christian morality while ignoring his own refusal to even accept Christian morality. But that’s mainly because I think his smug little hypocrisy should be exploded.

    But, yeah. Buttigieg is trying to have it both ways. He wants to judge Trump for his sins s if Christian morality is something bigger than both of them, and bigger than all Trump’s supporters. Which is true, but then he wants to overrule Christian morality when it conflicts with his sodomy, as if Christian morality is no big deal after all.

    But that’s of a piece with his entire approach to Christianity, which is to claim he is one while denying what it teaches.

    And in fact he was just recently quoted as saying the the Second Amendment doesn’t rule out gun control. So he’s no stranger to trying to have it both ways.

    And no, “having it both ways” is not a sly joke about his sexual habits.

  23. >> Mayor Buttigieg says he’s a gay Christian. As a Christian I believe the Bible which defines homosexuality as sin, something to be repentant of, not something to be flaunted, praised or politicized. The Bible says marriage is between a man & a woman—not two men, not two women. <<

    This is inarguable. Sodomy is one of the sins that cry out to heaven for justice.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sins_that_cry_to_heaven

    The "blood of Abel": homicide, infanticide, fratricide, patricide, and matricide.
    Sodomy
    The "cry of the people oppressed in Egypt, the cry of the foreigner, the widow, and the orphan": slavery
    The "injustice to the wage earner": taking advantage of and defrauding workers

  24. First of all stoop,you have no idea whether or not Trump has asked for forgiveness for the things he’s said or done when/if he prays and neither do I! My hope is that he has. Buttigieg’s position on these things is openly against what the Bible teaches! One said and did his stuff 8-10 years ago while the other is openly promoting his anti-Christian lifestyle daily! See the difference?

  25. Well Franklin and Soopermexican are both correct. The Bible is clear on sin. However, we need to be consistent, regardless of party.

  26. Buttplug and the rest of the vile demoslime can shut their holes and have fifty trillion seats when it comes to God, Jesus Christ and the bible. These slime denied God and Israel three times at their 2012 Convention. Buttplug is trying to bastardize Christianity.

  27. When Trump starts claiming GOD says it ok for him to be an adulterer, serial harassing p#ssy grabber. I’ll come down on him like a ton of brinks. As it is Mayor [email protected] gobbler is trying to claim that not only was he “born gay” but it’s how GOD made him purposely….. Not even remotely close to squaring with biblical teaching. Look in the grand scheme of things we all have our sins, challenges and spiritual obstacles to over come. Otherwise Jesus would not have had to suffer our pain, shame and humiliation for us. But to pretend that the bible doesn’t spell out plainly that homosexuality is a sin? As a Christian he should be trying to address this flaw in his character and live a clean and pure life. Will he fail, certainly at times. Will he need help absolutely which is why the Holy Ghost exists….. But it is Anti-Christian to try and rewrite the word of GOD to meet your sinful needs… Period…. HARD STOP.

  28. Just one question, how do you know he’s not asked forgiveness for those sins in private? That is between the president and God, correct? John 8:7, “When they kept questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, ‘Let any of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone on her.'” Yes we are to go those who have sinned and confront them but then we are called restore them. I’m a big sinner in need of my Savior every day. I confess those sins that separate me from Him daily. The point Rev. Graham is making is Pete’s blatant disregard for God’s Word and flaunting his sin as being OK. IMHO

  29. I would have started with calling out Buttigieg for his hypocrisy in judging Trump for his transgressions against Christian morality while ignoring his own refusal to even accept Christian morality. But that’s mainly because I think his smug little hypocrisy should be exploded.

    But, yeah. Buttigieg is trying to have it both ways. He wants to judge Trump for his sins s if Christian morality is something bigger than both of them, and bigger than all Trump’s supporters. Which is true, but then he wants to overrule Christian morality when it conflicts with his sodomy, as if Christian morality is no big deal after all.

    But that’s of a piece with his entire approach to Christianity, which is to claim he is one while denying what it teaches.

    And in fact he was just recently quoted as saying the the Second Amendment doesn’t rule out gun control. So he’s no stranger to trying to have it both ways.

    And no, “having it both ways” is not a sly joke about his sexual habits.

  30. There’s an old saying that we may be the only Bible some people ever read. Now, truly, there are some people who think God is all love and no justice or righteousness. But I don’t know which is worse — those who think that, or those who think their brand of righteousness aligns with God’s when, if they’d only read the Bible, they’d find out different. Any sin will keep you from heaven, and we’ve all sinned. That’s why we needed Someone to purchase our pardon, to pay the full price for our sins and be able to say triumphantly, “It is finished!” We enter into the good of that not by following rituals or attending any particular church, but by trusting in Christ’s finished work on the Cross to have completely paid for our sins. He sits now at the right hand of God because there was nothing left for Him to do — “It is finished!”

    This is the message that Mr. Graham should be focusing on. It’s always sad to see men in his position get into politics. Anyone who’s read the Bible saw that Christ didn’t get into politics. If there was a time for it, it would have been when they brought Him the news in Luke 13:1. He didn’t say a word against Pilate. He turned the topic to spiritual things.

    But if someone like Mr. Graham wants to talk about men in politics, he needs to realize that sexual sins are sexual sins. Just because he prefers a man’s politics, he shouldn’t decide that his man’s sexual sins are better than another man’s. The Apostle Paul told us that sexual sins were in a category by themselves because they were sins against our own bodies. That goes for any sexual sin.

  31. Franklin Graham only speaks the truth of the True God and His word, the Bible is the truth! Old skanky homos cannot stand the fact that the truth puts them up against God! I know your hearts know the truth! Does God love His people? Absolutely, but the road to Heaven is a narrow path and Jesus gave His life for that path to be free to you. BUT you must turn from your sin and confess it is sin. If you live in your sin, there is no Holy Spirit in your heart!

  32. From the arguments I’ve had with some anti Franklin Graham people, they feel he’s inconsistent. That he hasn’t held Trump to the same standard. I think he should clear things up publicly by mentioning that what Trump did in his personal life was wrong too. But otherwise, Dr. Graham is correct in his statements.

  33. It is not loving, nor kind to wink at sin, whether it be adultery, lust, murder, hate or any other manner of sin. It is not judgmental on our part to point out what GOD said in HIS word, which is what Graham did here. How is it love to watch someone clearly go against the word of God, knowing that if they continue in their sin, that they will go into the lake of fire? When you do quote scripture ACCURATELY know that you will NOT be popular, and in fact will be hated. Jesus promised us that. We just have to love God more than the world, and truth more than to believe a lie. I don’t think Graham has hate in his heart. He is merely stating God’s word and giving PB a chance to repent. Due to the nature of man, he probably won’t repent, but will only hate anyone who tells him what God’s Word really says. What bothers me, is all of the PB’s who claim to be Christians but are clearly defying the Bible, and then are throwing judgment at people like Mike Pence. Not only are they lying to themselves, but lying to the world as well, and bringing hate down on a godly man.

  34. Character counts in a public figure for two main reasons: 1) TRUST – deciding whether or not to vote for a candidate based on how little you actually know how he will behave once elected, and 2) BEHAVIOR IN OFFICE – once elected, what does he actually do?

    Trump did not get my vote in 2016 because of his character flaws – I simply didn’t trust him. But I soon learned my fears were unfounded. He has performed better (not perfect!) than I could have hoped.

  35. Classic “Slippery slope”. But it began way before Trump. 2015-2016 was just a little more accelerated. In any case, a decade later, very few will be talking about anything in the Bible anyway. Religion in general is on the decline, except the rabid middle eastern kind. You can slow it down, but you cant stop it.

  36. Speaking of godless liberals, Biden is official.

    Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) Tweeted:
    Welcome to the race Sleepy Joe. I only hope you have the intelligence, long in doubt, to wage a successful primary campaign. It will be nasty – you will be dealing with people who truly have some very sick & demented ideas. But if you make it, I will see you at the Starting Gate! https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1121388967444799488?s=17

  37. Strange. Buttplug tries to defend his sexual preference by invoking his faith. Graham calls him out on it via quotes from the very same book that Buttplug follows. Graham is called a homophobe etc,… by the insane left. People go on about whataboutism on Trump. If I remember right, Franklin Graham didn’t endorse anybody for 2016.

    Don’t give a rat’s ass who anybody’s sleeping with so long as an adult, consensual, no kids, no animals. Don’t care about Trump’s infidelity, his vulgar statements, any of that crap. That’s between him and his family. There have been plenty of people who presented themselves as wholesome who turned out to be complete scumbags or worse.

  38. These foolish people, who claim Christianity and pronounce filth from their mouths (their own hearts) will truly regret their actions in the end, unless they do not actually repent of their sins, whether they are the President or a mayor who wants to flaunt their sin and call it a good thing.

    Matt. 7:21-23
    I Never Knew You
    21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

  39. And also: “But Trump” is not an argument that makes Pete’s blasphemy and anti-religious hostility (anti REAL religion) go away.

  40. Is it so hard to say that both men are sinners?

    But Trump is not arguing that his adultery is obedience to G-d. Pete did that with homosexuality.

    1. Do we know the prayers of other sinners, between them and God? In this example, these clairvoyants know DJT is a sinner, and has not repented.
      So, how do they know this? Easy answer, they don’t…
      A true believer thanks God daily for their personal relationship & being forgiven, and does not assume to know the heart of others…
      it’s above our pay grade.. current behavior, which is observable, is another thing…

      1. They know he hasn’t repented because he stated publically he has no need for Gods forgiveness.

      1. Probably because his wife who is right by him would be more offended than God 🙂 But then, he did brag about being a playboy for the longest time

  41. My faith has always encouraged us as parishioners to vote for good and decent people, not just a party. They also encourage us to be good, active citizens who participate in elections and don’t sit idly by. For many of us, 2016 was a Hobson’s choice. However, we don’t get to wash our hands that easy. There were good men like Cruz in the primaries, and they lost handily to this man. Therefore, the voters chose him before they got to the “but Hillary” argument.

    Fast forward two years, and that choice at the very least is paying off as this morally stunted man has decided to stand up for many honorable and morally correct things that would have certainly been hewn down by the growing population of secular socialists spreading like a cancer in this country.

    In many cases in history, God has accomplished his purposes with flawed men. In fact, many of the catholic saints were extremely flawed, but accomplished great purposes. All that withstanding, we should not follow the left’s lead of acting like a President is our king. We the citizenry are responsible for keeping our moral fabric alive in this society. We need to resist depending on people we elect to do the lion’s share of our jobs for us.

    1. The choice we have before us to vote for -immoral men and women – is a reflection of the people being governed.

      Its Gods judgment on our nation. I have been pleased with stances Trump has taken afterwards and it seems he is going to be used to clean our some corruption in our agencies, but I dont see a lasting change from him at all. All will be easily undone by the next immoral president.

    2. Awesome post….And we all know Saul.. (Paul), rather…is the supreme example of this 🙂

  42. Trump’s or anyone else’s sin is between him & his God. It is not for us to critique, Pete Buttigieg or Franklin Graham! “Let him without sin cast the first stone!”

    1. Those were my thoughts as well. Once could assume that Franklin Graham felt he needed to defend the Christian faith as Mayor Pete has decided to publicly twist it up in public.

    2. That statement is often used to abandon our own ability to judge right and wrong. Would you say about a rapist or murderer “Let him without sin cast the first stone” or would you be able to judge the situation properly?

      It is not that we aren’t to judge anyone or anything, but to do so righteously. Which means to do it by God’s standards, not our own.

      There is a good read on the subject here

      https://medium.com/@jerikiahunter/what-is-righteous-judgment-compared-to-hypocritical-judgment-29c3c86f0feb

  43. Franklin went easy on him. He could have brought out the big guns as it were, that God destroyed two cities over sodomy. He hates sodomy such that it is a sin so bad it cries out to Heaven for vengeance and punishment from God.

  44. How DARE Franklin Graham espouse the actual words and commands of the Founder of Easter and leader of all Easter worshipers! THE HORROR!!

  45. Character counts in a public figure for two main reasons: 1) TRUST – deciding whether or not to vote for a candidate based on how little you actually know how he will behave once elected, and 2) BEHAVIOR IN OFFICE – once elected, what does he actually do?

    Trump did not get my vote in 2016 because of his character flaws – I simply didn’t trust him. But I soon learned my fears were unfounded. He has performed better (not perfect!) than I could have hoped.

  46. I appreciate Franklin Graham for making a stand for Jesus and correct interpretation of God’s Word. God is watching and will likely reward him for his faithfulness.

  47. This is not unexpected – in fact, God told us it was going to get this way. However, Buttigieg is a heretic and/or a liar and is polluting Christianity with his out-of-context scripture and general blasphemy. And there are far too many lost, godless people out there who are illiterate or willfully ignorant about God’s Word and what it says and means for all of us. And many of the lost, don’t want to be reminded of their sinful state and unrepentant/disobedient state (or the penalty for their unbelief). We should pray for them. But it’s sad how many will ignore what Jesus has done for them and will refuse his loving gift of grace. And it’s not evil to read/see/hear their evil.

    1. Yup! It was prophecied that in the end of days everyone will be so immoral that no one will be able to point fingers or rebuke others bc they are guilty themselves. It’s all playing out now before our eyes.

  48. I don’t think too many Christians looked the other way on Trump’s transgressions. It is simply they found them less repulsive than Hillary’s long track record. There. I fixed it for you! I think you have a bit of Bill Kristol in your bloodstream there Soop!

    1. @h2o

      I agree with your 2nd sentence. We (Christians, Conservatives, etc.) are often forced to choose the lesser of two evils (which is sickening) since there are no truly decent people who are rising all the way to the top. Our voting population are mostly uneducated or complacent/indifferent. As a result, we get stuck with unworthy candidates.

    2. I get that Trump was a better choice than Hillary, but the issue is why was a serial adulterous man the nominee of the party who claims to care about traditional values?

      1. Because the crazy Johnson libertarians and Buchanan nationalists had nowhere else to go, so they decended on the GOP and convinced many conservatives that their line of thought and political doctrine was true conservatism. This was easy to do as the GOP has kicked conservatism to the curb for the last 30 years anyway.

      2. Let us not forget, we are all sinners
        We are capable of repentance, God often uses flawed men and women, the Bible is full of examples

    3. I have to disagree. An an evangelical Christian I can tell you my fellow evangelicals were complete hypocrites regarding Trump’s peccadilloes. It was gross.

  49. So Trump is a sinner! Who isn’t? Besides, now that we’ve all accepted the democrat concept that character doesn’t matter, they’re having a hissy fit when their “principles” are thrown back at them. I do believe God is in control so therefore he chose Trump, a sinner, much like he chose King David, a huge sinner, to do some good. I’ll go with God. I couldn’t care less what the devil worshippers (democrats) think. May I remind you that democrats murder babies in the womb and out of the womb. I’ll take Trump’s affairs any day over a murderer.

    1. @cleaner

      Unrepentant sinner. Character DOES matter – though it sure seems to be in short supply these days (especially in politics). But I see your point.

      1. I would love if Trump would humble himself and ask for forgiveness, but he may have since he made that statement. After all that he has been put thru by the leftists, I know it would have brought me to my knees. Nonetheless, no-one can deny, well except the leftists, that Trump LOVES this country and puts it first. I’ll take it. 🙂

        1. @cleaner

          I completely agree with you there. And hopefully he has repented. It’s undeniable that he has changed significantly for the better as a president. And he has stood fairly strong against much of what has been hurled at him. Kudos for that.

    2. Yes who could have seen that Democrats going all in on “Character doesnt matter” would come back to bite them.

  50. Classic “Slippery slope”. But it began way before Trump. 2015-2016 was just a little more accelerated. In any case, a decade later, very few will be talking about anything in the Bible anyway. Religion in general is on the decline, except the rabid middle eastern kind. You can slow it down, but you cant stop it.

  51. They’ve got one hard-to-argue point though, don’t they. Trumpers have sacrificed the high ground when it comes to playing the God card, haven’t they.

    But hey, it was more important to beat Hillary.

    1. It most certainly was more important to beat Hillary. Eight years of her twin Obama was so destructive to our country, there was NO WAY IN HELL that I would have not voted or thrown my vote away by voting a third party. As a God loving voter, I stand by my choice.

      1. I get that, but let’s be honest. There were better men to vote for in the primary, and they lost because the base chose Trump. That’s why even though we can argue that he was better than Hillary, deep down the GOP voters chose him ahead of that.

        1. They lost to Trump in part because they were of similar upstanding character, competing against each other. Trump pretty much had his own lane, so his non-majorities carried him to the nomination. I don’t so much blame the Republican base for choosing Trump; he had a lot of votes from new voters.

        2. I voted for Cruz in the primary. But I’ll tell you that I don’t believe Cruz could have withstood what Trump has been put thru. The reason I say this is that his liberty score is now in the 80s and used to be a strong 90s. I don’t believe he has the will that Trump has nor the life long experience Trump has had growing a thick skin against his naysayers. Plus I can no longer listen to Ted Cruz speak because I’ve come to find him too polished I think it comes across that he’s trying too hard to be the smartest guy in the room. I’ve come to appreciate Trump’s “tell it like it is”. Trump has now given many other conservatives around the world the courage to do the same. I’m sick of political speak and like the straight talk.

        1. @AT What would you have liked to see done? I was fully behind Ted Cruz, but my vote didn’t help him get the nomination. I really disliked Trump, but when the choice was between him and Hillary (there was no viable or worthy 3rd party candidate on my opinion), I felt I had to bite the bullet and vote for Trump to beat Hillary. And, I honestly believe I chose correctly. Trump is a flawed human, as all of us are, but he has done much good and could probably have done much more were it not for the horrific acts and efforts against him and all good efforts to move right. The left has been butt hurt since Bush beat Gore and they were elated to win with their chosen messiah Obama. They never thought Hillary could lose, but she did, and they have worked hard and tried anything and everything to obstruct the Trump presidency and administration and to get back control and destroy our Republic and freedoms. And, it’s a fact that Hillary and the Clinton machine is expressly corrupt and evil. How could I not, in good conscience, vote against her?

          1. What would you have liked to see done?

            In a “binary” race between Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton, the only desirable outcome is who cares. We’re f*cked either way on that one – and that has been illustrated over and over as our tribal society races to the bottom. Conservatism is further weakened, the status quo remains in DC, the economy remains crap, and the American people become worse human beings.

            You may recall – I stopped caring after the primary. Once that election became Lose/Lose for conservatism, it stopped making a difference. And the one lesson we could take from it was that our candidates for office no longer matter. Merit, ideology, goals, promises – they’re all irrelevant. The only quality one needs for office is to not be someone else.

            That pretty much stamped out the last of my faith in the American electorate and the recovery of this nation. What I would have liked to see, what I’d still like to see, is a better class of humans in this nation.

            But I know I’m never going to. Because this society is a dumpster fire that deserves an asteroid strike.

            Truth be told, Hillary winning may have been a long-term positive for the American people. Her damage might be enough to help get their friggin’ heads on straight. Instead, Donald won and now the right’s brains are as scrambled as the lefts.

            1. @AT While I agree with many of your points and observations, and as depressing as this all gets and can be overwhelming at times, I haven’t given up on us yet. I’m constantly seeing things in person, on the news, or on social media that supports that there are still so many great moral Americans out there, and that number is growing as they become more aware they aren’t alone. The media is promoting the hatred, bigotry, & racism. Our educational institutions are teaching garbage and intolerance, and indoctrinating a young society of snowflakes scared of everything, including their own shadows. But, ask them to explain their fears or WHY they are afraid of a specific individual, they can’t and can only repeat superficial talking points. I will not give up yet! I will hang on to hope and continue to pray to God for guidance and help.

              1. You can’t have morality without courage, and that’s what the people of this nation lack. They may genuinely be decent people, but so long as they continue consenting to government consisting of the lessers of two evils – they are harming this country. By consenting to it, they empower all the terrible things the media does, the education system does, and so forth.

                It takes guts to stand up for principle. To abdicate them because you’re afraid of a possible outcome is to effectively have no principles at all. I was willing to risk Hillary. It would have been bad, but that doesn’t make any alternative good. That’s the distinction people fail to realize.

                But most Americans are too afraid to risk in the name of principle. Look how often people bitch about Mitch. Yet, folks must like him because they’ve kept him in office for 35 years. Oh but he’s a RINO! So why keep voting for him?

                Fear. Fear of the alternative. That’s what’s killed this society, and it’s what’s going to kill this nation.

    2. You sacrifice the high ground on morality when you vote for any politician. They’re all imperfect. And in any contest between Hillary and Trump, why would any Christian support someone as thoroughly corrupt as Hillary?

      The Christian faith is not embedded with government. If it was, then it would be corrupted all over again with each new government official. When Jesus said, “Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God,” that was a recognition the the kingdom of God is not going to be the same as the kingdom of men.

      We’ve had a long succession of presidents who are not exactly moral exemplars. Kennedy was … a Kennedy. LBJ was notorious for his womanizing. Clinton was always on the guard against “Bimbo eruptions,” and Hilary was a major part of the “Bimbo Eruption Response SWAT team.”

      1. You sacrifice the high ground on morality when you vote for any politician.

        No, not true. There’s a difference between having flawed positions and being horrible human beings. Supporting the latter because you’re afraid of even horrible-r human beings costs you the high ground. Not supporting either allows you to retain it.

        why would any Christian support someone as thoroughly corrupt as Hillary?

        Nobody’s saying they have to.

        We’ve had a long succession of presidents who are not exactly moral exemplars.

        Does that mean we should be OK with it? Is your argument, “Well they do it – so we should too!” I mean, come on.

  52. Trump said in the past he hadn’t asked for forgiveness from God. Statements like that with some of his actions would lead me to believe he’s not a Christ follower. In saying that, Graham is still correct in the theology about being homosexual. Sadly some of the tweets are correct that you can’t overlook one set of sins from someone who doesn’t act Christian to tell someone else they’re not a Christian. That’s the need to remove the plank from one’s own eye to get the speck out of another’s. I’d say the left could be more tactful in their recourse against Graham but that’s not something they’re known for.

  53. This is why I will never forgive the Trumpsters for electing an immoral pig as the Republican leader. We have lost the moral high ground to the Left.
    If Mayor Buttboy gets the nod, we won’t be able to say we are the moral ones and our opponent is an open sinner bc Trump isn’t innocent on the morality equation.

    1. Good comeback. Let’s just ignore the fact that he has been a good solid conservative as president. Let’s fall for the left’s equivocation game! Good strategy! Is that all you have? Wow.

      1. What Trump achieved as president isn’t the point here. This is about morality. We can’t go ahead and battle with the Left for considering a man who is “married” to another man as their nominee if our guy is also an immoral person.

    2. @switch-back-to-disqus

      I feel ya. I didn’t vote for Trump and might not this time around either for numerous reasons. And yes, there is no moral high ground anymore (at least at this point in time). We are all forced now to choose someone who won’t destroy America… no matter what is wrapped around the creamy center. Very sad…

      I will concede that Trump hasn’t done a terrible job overall. But I personally still don’t like his character.

    3. I think “we” and assuming there is no mouse in your pocket lost the high ground a long time ago.

  54. Speaking of godless liberals, Biden is official.

    Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) Tweeted:
    Welcome to the race Sleepy Joe. I only hope you have the intelligence, long in doubt, to wage a successful primary campaign. It will be nasty – you will be dealing with people who truly have some very sick & demented ideas. But if you make it, I will see you at the Starting Gate! https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1121388967444799488?s=17

  55. Strange. Buttplug tries to defend his sexual preference by invoking his faith. Graham calls him out on it via quotes from the very same book that Buttplug follows. Graham is called a homophobe etc,… by the insane left. People go on about whataboutism on Trump. If I remember right, Franklin Graham didn’t endorse anybody for 2016.

    Don’t give a rat’s ass who anybody’s sleeping with so long as an adult, consensual, no kids, no animals. Don’t care about Trump’s infidelity, his vulgar statements, any of that crap. That’s between him and his family. There have been plenty of people who presented themselves as wholesome who turned out to be complete scumbags or worse.

  56. These foolish people, who claim Christianity and pronounce filth from their mouths (their own hearts) will truly regret their actions in the end, unless they do not actually repent of their sins, whether they are the President or a mayor who wants to flaunt their sin and call it a good thing.

    Matt. 7:21-23
    I Never Knew You
    21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

  57. And also: “But Trump” is not an argument that makes Pete’s blasphemy and anti-religious hostility (anti REAL religion) go away.

  58. Is it so hard to say that both men are sinners?

    But Trump is not arguing that his adultery is obedience to G-d. Pete did that with homosexuality.

      1. Probably because his wife who is right by him would be more offended than God 🙂 But then, he did brag about being a playboy for the longest time

    1. Do we know the prayers of other sinners, between them and God? In this example, these clairvoyants know DJT is a sinner, and has not repented.
      So, how do they know this? Easy answer, they don’t…
      A true believer thanks God daily for their personal relationship & being forgiven, and does not assume to know the heart of others…
      it’s above our pay grade.. current behavior, which is observable, is another thing…

      1. They know he hasn’t repented because he stated publically he has no need for Gods forgiveness.

  59. My faith has always encouraged us as parishioners to vote for good and decent people, not just a party. They also encourage us to be good, active citizens who participate in elections and don’t sit idly by. For many of us, 2016 was a Hobson’s choice. However, we don’t get to wash our hands that easy. There were good men like Cruz in the primaries, and they lost handily to this man. Therefore, the voters chose him before they got to the “but Hillary” argument.

    Fast forward two years, and that choice at the very least is paying off as this morally stunted man has decided to stand up for many honorable and morally correct things that would have certainly been hewn down by the growing population of secular socialists spreading like a cancer in this country.

    In many cases in history, God has accomplished his purposes with flawed men. In fact, many of the catholic saints were extremely flawed, but accomplished great purposes. All that withstanding, we should not follow the left’s lead of acting like a President is our king. We the citizenry are responsible for keeping our moral fabric alive in this society. We need to resist depending on people we elect to do the lion’s share of our jobs for us.

    1. Awesome post….And we all know Saul.. (Paul), rather…is the supreme example of this 🙂

    2. The choice we have before us to vote for -immoral men and women – is a reflection of the people being governed.

      Its Gods judgment on our nation. I have been pleased with stances Trump has taken afterwards and it seems he is going to be used to clean our some corruption in our agencies, but I dont see a lasting change from him at all. All will be easily undone by the next immoral president.

  60. Now I happen to dislike how many Christians are looking the other way when it comes to Trump’s clear and obvious sinful offenses that he has gone out of his way to NOT ask forgiveness for

    @soopermexican I don’t agree with everything Trump has said or done. I consider him to be a cultural Christian at best. But at the end of the day I voted for him to be president, not a pastor, deacon, or priest, etc. He’s not in a position of moral authority, so “some” leeway can be given. Besides, there’s no moral requirements to be president. That’s not to say I don’t care about the moral character of the people I vote for, I do. But if comes down between electing a flawed man as Trump or electing someone whose party is increasing antithetical and hostile to my Christian beliefs and values, the choice isn’t difficult.

    1. @watchman and @soopermexican, Trump is not going around and saying God approves of his lifestyle. I would also say that we all fall short of the glory of God, and how do we know if someone repents to Him?

      Mayor Pete has a problem, but I genuinely feel bad for him. I hope that he comes to the knowledge that this lifestyle is hurting him…

    2. The issue here is that the religious right gave Trump a pass on the issue of adultery. By doing that, they lost the moral high ground to start pointing fingers at the Left for their embrace of immorality.

  61. Buttplug twists scripture to make himself feel better because he knows he isn’t right. It’s like the fat woman on the other post, twisting the truth, trying to make herself feel better about being obese.

    1. @squirrelly

      And unfortunately, too many of the lost or ignorant (or disobedient) embrace his heretical form of Christianity.

  62. Hate the sin, love the sinner. I don’t know if I ever knew any homosexual people prior to two years ago. I met a very nice lady at my senior independent living complex. She is now a dear friend, we have a great deal in common, we love dogs, good coffee, we’re close in age, of the same generation – twenty years younger than most of the folks here, like same music. She has never indicated that she is gay, other than her haircut, that’s not flattering. I took care of her dog when she was in the hospital for a few days and she has that rainbow flag on her fridge. She isn’t Christian, however, I hope I can convince her someday to accept Jesus, as she is one of the most caring individuals I know. Will I, would I vote for Buttigiug? No way! You all know how I feel about demoncraps.

  63. I’m surprised they haven’t yanked his Twitter account. But I was quite disappointed in him with the last election.

  64. Who is claiming President Trump, or any man for that matter, is a model Christian? We all have screwed up and need God’s mercy and grace. We cannot do it ourselves.

    Read your Bible, most of the characters were major screw ups. It was almost as if sinning was in their nature. Abraham slept with the help ( slave girl). Moses killed an Eygptian, King David slept with one of his soldier’s wife, got her pregnant, and then had the soldier killed when the soldier refused to sleep with his wife. Salomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines and built temples to their foreign gods. Peter denied Christ 3 times and was a hot head. Mathew was a tax collector (tax collectors being notorious for stealing). Doubting Thomas. Saul/Paul stood by as Steven was stoned and then persecuted Christians.

    God is soveriegn and chooses whomever he wants when he wants to accomplish what he wills.

    BTW who has compassion on the LQBT people those who say it is OK to activily pursue those lifestyles that our Bible clearly says will lead to God’s judgment and an eternity in the Lake of Fire, so they can get along with everyone? Or those, like Rev. Graham, who are willing to risk ridique or worse to warn people in the LGBT lifestyle to repent and accept God’s grace now, before they end up facing God’s judgment and then being thrown into the Lake of Fire?

  65. Leftists are incapable of seeing conservatives as individuals. My salvation, my Christianity, my politics, and my sins are all personal and individual. What Franklin Graham says, right or wrong, has nothing to do with it. America is great because we used to respect the individual. They see us all as carbon copies of the caricature in their mind. The more the left forces us only to see groups (republican, conservative, christian, atheist, black, woman, etc) the weaker the country will become.

  66. Hey, all those condemners of Trump – you have THE biggest LOG in your own eyes! Did they ever read (of course not) what Jesus said about the adulterous woman…yeah, I don’t think so!

    Please Lord Jesus, separate the wheat from the chaff…P L E A S E!!!

    1. So much hostility. You can’t deny that he’s unrepentant. That is the part of his character that gives me pause. So? Because I feel that way, you’re going to condemn my interpretation of God’s Word or maybe my faith?

      The reality is we no longer have good, moral (or especially Christian) candidates to vote for. So in 2016, people voted for the person who was the best choice between the two. Some didn’t vote for either. It appears we’re heading in the same direction for 2020.

  67. a full out war on Christianity is coming- it is almost illegal to now state that God views homosexuality as an abomination. The point here is that butwhateverhisname is, is living in open sin, continues living in open sin, and claims God approves- big big difference between what trump did in the past, and what butwhateverhisnameis is doing now

    1. @bob434

      I agree with you overall. But sin is sin in God’s eye. Trump has seemingly changed his ways for the better and is the clear choice (imo) if it came down between these two.

      1. All sin separates people from God. That’s why Jesus had to offer himself as the only perfect sacrifice, offering us cleansing through His shed blood.

        But if all sin was equal, we wouldn’t even be having this type of conversation (protesting our party choosing an immoral man)…because every last one of us is a sinner.

  68. Several Biblical scriptures on homosexuality:

    -“You shall not lie with a man as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.”
    (Leviticus 18:22)

    -“If there is a man who lies with a man as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act.”
    (Leviticus 20:13)

    -“For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural sexual relations for that which is unnatural and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural relations with woman and burned in their lust toward one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men and received themselves the due penalty of their error. Furthermore, God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought no to be done.”
    (Romans 1:26-28)

    -“Have you not read that He who created them from the beginning made them male and female, and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? So they are no longer two, but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate”-Jesus
    (Matthew 19-4-6)

    – Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
    (1 Corinthians 6:9-10)

    Other applicable verses:

    -Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. (Galatians 6:7 )

    -If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. (1 John 1:8)

    Does Buttigieg ever quote scripture?

  69. Look, what ticks me off with the Trump reference is – HE IS NOT DOING THIS NOW!!! It is in his P A S T! If he were doing it now, I would agree. But he is N O T!

    As Christians, ALL things have become new & we are forgiven. DO NOT ever allow people around you that bring up your past because once you repent, you are FORGIVEN – period! New creatures in Christ.

    I hate this crap so much. It’s like they don’t know Christ or have never read the bible.

    1. @msliberty You mean like when Bill Clinton was President or when Ted Kennedy was a Senator?

    2. @msliberty

      I’m not trying to stir the pot. I’m really not. But in the case of Trump’s past transgressions, he is still unrepentant. So the blood of Christ hasn’t washed away his sins because he hasn’t asked, in faith, for God’s grace and forgiveness.

      But Trump will end up being the only logical choice in 2020 – regardless of his spiritual condition.

      1. @muckjumper – None of us can judge when a man has repented. From what I learned was that Mr. Graham, Paula White & there is the black pastor from Clevelan whose name I cannot remember have all prayed with Trump and continue to pray with him and give him spiritual guidance.

  70. Going to church doesn’t make you a Christian any more than going into a garage makes you a car.

  71. How is Trump involved here?? I did not read one reply that addressed Graham’s comment. It was insult only.

  72. Now I happen to dislike how many Christians are looking the other way when it comes to Trump’s clear and obvious sinful offenses that he has gone out of his way to NOT ask forgiveness for, but that doesn’t mean we just ignore what Biblical teaching has been for two millennia.

    None of us are pure as the wind driven snow. As humans, we all have done things in our life that are sinful. It’s part of the contract of being in the flesh.

  73. Now I happen to dislike how many Christians are looking the other way when it comes to Trump’s clear and obvious sinful offenses that he has gone out of his way to NOT ask forgiveness for

    @soopermexican I don’t agree with everything Trump has said or done. I consider him to be a cultural Christian at best. But at the end of the day I voted for him to be president, not a pastor, deacon, or priest, etc. He’s not in a position of moral authority, so “some” leeway can be given. Besides, there’s no moral requirements to be president. That’s not to say I don’t care about the moral character of the people I vote for, I do. But if comes down between electing a flawed man as Trump or electing someone whose party is increasing antithetical and hostile to my Christian beliefs and values, the choice isn’t difficult.

    1. @watchman and @soopermexican, Trump is not going around and saying God approves of his lifestyle. I would also say that we all fall short of the glory of God, and how do we know if someone repents to Him?

      Mayor Pete has a problem, but I genuinely feel bad for him. I hope that he comes to the knowledge that this lifestyle is hurting him…

    2. The issue here is that the religious right gave Trump a pass on the issue of adultery. By doing that, they lost the moral high ground to start pointing fingers at the Left for their embrace of immorality.

  74. Now I happen to dislike how many Christians are looking the other way when it comes to Trump’s clear and obvious sinful offenses that he has gone out of his way to NOT ask forgiveness for

    @soopermexican I don’t agree with everything Trump has said or done. I consider him to be a cultural Christian at best. But at the end of the day I voted for him to be president, not a pastor, deacon, or priest, etc. He’s not in a position of moral authority, so “some” leeway can be given. Besides, there’s no moral requirements to be president. That’s not to say I don’t care about the moral character of the people I vote for, I do. But if comes down between electing a flawed man as Trump or electing someone whose party is increasing antithetical and hostile to my Christian beliefs and values, the choice isn’t difficult.

  75. Leftists are incapable of seeing conservatives as individuals. My salvation, my Christianity, my politics, and my sins are all personal and individual. What Franklin Graham says, right or wrong, has nothing to do with it. America is great because we used to respect the individual. They see us all as carbon copies of the caricature in their mind. The more the left forces us only to see groups (republican, conservative, christian, atheist, black, woman, etc) the weaker the country will become.

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