Here’s what would have happened to 2016 outcome if Dems had changed the electoral college!

IN a really interesting segment on Meet the Press today, F. Chuck Todd showed what would have happened if Dems got what they wanted and changed the electoral college before 2016.



Spoiler: Trump still beats Hillary.

That is likely because even though populous liberal states like California and New York get way more electoral votes, there are also Republican populous states like Texas and Florida that counterract their irrational mangling of the Constitution. IN any case, any effort to doom the electoral college is idiotic and I hope it fails. If you want to hear me rant about it in a thick Spanish accent, just check out my last podcast here.

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Texas Chris
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Democrats can’t see past their noses.

Look, the EC just determines the strategy of a campaign. If it was popular vote, the strategy would be different. And, knowing what we know about Hillary, she’s a stunk at that strategy as well.

The Electoral Collage doesn’t suck: Hillary did.

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Well, I could show you what the electoral map would look like if John Kasich and Marco Rubio hadn’t gave the nomination to Trump by staying in too long. We would have a conservative President who doesnt blow smoke up our [email protected] Meuller this, AG that, AND NO WALL YET!!!!!!

Texas Chris
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I believe you’re right. But we’d also probably have Beto as the junior senator from Texas…

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I’ve got an idea: how about any state with a sanctuary city be denied participation in the Electoral College? If they’re not going to follow U.S. law, then they shouldn’t have a say in U.S. policy.

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Someone brought up reparations in the replies. Why do Asian Americans owe blacks reparations? Why do Hispanic Americans owe blacks reparations? Why do the decedents of German immigrants in the 1900’s owe blacks or Indians reparations? We all pay taxes, and if these questions are put forth, it should shut down the debate.

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ozzy

Reparations might be a good idea if we actually look at history. https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2004/mar/10/20040310-115506-8528r/

Northern Africans enslaved millions of Europeans. They should pay us.

Texas Chris
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How are reparations different from welfare? Any discussion of taking from some and giving to others based on past grievances must be offset by the takings and givings which perpetuate the welfare state.

Reparations-seekers would best quiet themselves, lest they find they owe reparations to the slaves they currently own: productive Americans.

And don’t get me started on Social Security!

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Looks like the Dems researched this immediately after the election. I saw articles with this same electoral outcome dated in 2016 and early 2017. So they’ve decided they just don’t care, they want to do it anyway, because it still improves their chances. But this plan to destroy the Electoral College is far more insidious than giving one party a boost over the other in the presidential election. It’s really a power grab by the radical left to complete the takeover of the Democrat party, which is still not fully on board with the radicals like AOC, Omar, and Maxine Waters (I’d bet money Maxine hates AOC and Omar). The hard left doesn’t compete well in flyover country. Eliminate that concern, and then their takeover of the metro areas will be greatly simplified, just as it has happened in the UK. That is another very good reason to split up… Read more »

Texas Chris
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I’ve supported Texas Independence for a decade, but I don’t actually believe there will be a willful separation. I believe the federal government will collapse, the currency will be devalued to worthlessness, and all the states will be independent by default.

At that point all constitutional arguments will be moot. The only important factors will be who has the natural resources, the infrastructure to harness them, and the people capable of doing the harnessing.

Popular vote, electoral college, choosing straws, all immaterial. The collapse of the federal government is a mathematical certainty. It’s only a matter of time.

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I would say the term “think tank” is a real misnomer here. How ’bout ‘septic tank’?

Charli
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All of the Alinsky radicals who hate America…in both parties.

Charli
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The only reason the demonrats want to do away with the electoral college, for now, is because they failed to turn Texas and Florida blue AND have apparently lost Ohio. They are disingenuous liars, because if they ever achieve turning Texas and Florida blue, they do not need most others and the electoral college will be hailed by them. Meanwhile, they claim they want all votes to count; however, by eliminating the electoral college the votes of most of the 50 states would be irrelevant, so again they are disingenuous liars. Only ignorant idiots would ever elect demonrats to power again. And let’s be honest, the reason Trump did not achieve all that he could have achieved in his first 2 years was because of the RINOs who obstructed him. They need to be replaced in the GOP by actual representatives of the people.

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This is interesting imo. However, leave the electoral college alone; meaning, democrats just want to tweak it so they can win (because they have to lie, cheat and steal to win).

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There is a HUGE reason to change. Democrats are still losing elections, even after all the money and effort spent to rig the process. Motor Voter, “flooding the zone” (with illegals), vote harvesting, counting votes from the dead, manufacturing ballots, and more, and Democrats are still losing. Not all the time, mind you. But often enough to make it downright infuriating. Democrats hate actual fairness and are the most intolerant people you’ll ever know. The only “will of the people” that Democrats respect is that which validate their putrid biases, and a “fair election” is one in which the Democrat wins, by any means necessary.

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Exactly. Because the truth of the matter is, demonrats are communists. I point out that most of them admit they are socialists; however, as we all know, the only difference between a socialist and a communist is that a socialist is unable to take everything you own by gunpoint….yet. But, if given any further power, they will take everyone’s guns….to “protect” us, and evening buying back your guns at various checkpoints across the country. Then when they have succeeded in taking everyone’s guns away, we WILL be a communist nation, which simply makes me pray all the more ~ Messiah Jesus, come quickly!

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They are determined to destroy USA from within….don’t forget open borders, govt run healthcare…

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Following the Constitution has worked for over 200 years. No need to change it.

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I say eliminate population advantages, altogether. They’re never good, they’re democratic mob-rule. Give each state, no matter how many Representatives they have in the House, no matter how many citizens FOUR ELECTORAL VOTES. PERIOD. I also think something should be worked out to eliminate the two party monopoly the Republicans and Dixiecrats have on federal government. Work out a fair, federal law that makes it easier for parties alternate to the monopolist giants to gain recognition, and get onto ballots. Making it easier for alternative parties to gain electors would certainly change the political landscape. This could open the door to presidential or US congressional candidates from the Veterans Party (http://www.veteranspartyofamerica.org/party-platform/), or the Constitution Party (https://www.constitutionparty.com/principles/platform-preamble/#SanctityOfLife), both of which are much better looking than the Republican Party, and light years ahead of anything liberal/leftist.

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This is exactly why local elections matter.

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Holy cow, I’m amazed that Chuck Todd didn’t kill that segment. He must have been having an off day.

pybop
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50 states = 50 laboratories of freedom, each able to implement their citizens wishes (should gambling be legal, should pot be legal, should the state impose an income tax)
aka work of genius for freedom (you don’t like this state’s income tax law…you are free to go to another state…)
DON’T MESS WITH IT

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You don’t get it. Liberals know what’s best for everyone, everywhere, in every circumstance, even if they disagree with each other about everything. This time it’s gonna work!

Charli
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Yes, that is their view of communism; it is oppressive everywhere it has been in the world, but THEY think they can do it right. The problem is that communism is WRONG

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The problem with that is the people who ruin their own states with liberal policy then move to escape those same policies and then fight to implement those same ruinous policies in their new state. Wash, rinse, repeat.

Charli
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Yes, but they are not “escaping” those states; they are deliberately spreading it to other states. We have having a heck of a time fighting them here in Texas., which, if they take power in Texas, the nation is gone forever.

Charli
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As long as those liberal progressives stay out of Texas, Florida and most of the south….but the left funds them to leave Californication and come to Texas to try to change our state blue.

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I like the idea of spreading the electoral votes by congressional district. Democrats would never win the presidency again.

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Nebraska and Maine do that. 1 per congressional district, 2 for the state.

pybop
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A one party system is not good—eventually a dictator would emerge…bye bye republic.

David Jenson
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Colorado decided last week they’re going to give their electorate votes to which ever candidate gets the popular vote nationally. There are other states which are already blue states with the same policy but Colorado is the first swing state to undermine the electorate college.

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They should be sued for that. It disenfranchises their voters.

trapper1960s
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We need to start playing their game and suing on everything they try to change

David Jenson
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You’re actually on to something big, I think a legitimate case can be made against states who undermine the constitution in any shape or form.

Charli
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You would alienate and lose most all voters, which could result in conservatives staying home and liberal progressives controlling the electorate. The outcome would be disasterous. Progressives win by creating global chaos, frightening people en masse with lies – we must remain strong, balanced and honest.

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Suing for not requiring id to vote is not going to alienate no one but liberals. Suing states for giving driver license to illegals. Suing a city for being sanctuary city, these are just a few things that can be done. A person is killed by a illegal in a car accident and he has a valid license from certain certain state, sue the hell out of that state! We’re not doing this. Father in New York should sue his wife and the state for allowing the murder of his child before being born at 8 1/2 months I could go on and on and nothing here would alienate our voters but it sure would liberals

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Yes they should, I wonder how many residents of these NVP states would sign a petition because their vote is pretty much discarded if they don’t vote for whoever the meteoplex areas like the best

Charli
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Then a group of voters IN COLORADO should sue to make sure CO does not break the law.

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They can vote on it all they want. It’s a federal election and they need 2/3’s of the other states to vote the same way to force Congress to have a vote on it before it is law.

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Probably until now no lefty had checked on that. These kooks come up with hair-brained ideas based on their way of non-reasoning without thinking things through. They’re reckless in that way and that is the way they’ll run this country- right into the ground. They’ll get us all killed on the way to dragging this country back to the 19th century.

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AvatarRKJames Yeah, 19th century technology but without the 19th century values. eek

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Lol imagine these youngins have to live in those conditions, these spoiled, poor work ethics kids would be dead meat

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trapper1960strapper1960s Hey, who are we kidding? I’d be dead meat! I’m a 20th century gal, sure, but 19th? Heck no! cool

trapper1960s
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Lol it would be who would go down the drain the fastest If there was a way to give them a reality check, like make a area off the grid and would have to live that life style for a year. No phone, no power, no grocery store, no cars, NO COWS and live off the land and trade. With 4 season weather. This is what you want, try it for a year, then back to us.

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Yeah, oh and keep up with that recycling, hear?

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Chuck Todd to producers, moments before air time: “Are you SURE? Did you double check this? Triple check? Let me see it! Who did this? An intern? What? It’s for real? OMG!”

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Spolody heads! bam bam bam

trapper1960s
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Own land would eliminate the big city voters where the democrats get their large portion of votes

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trapper1960strapper1960s

Land/property owner since my early twenties, however, now at 65, I live in a retirement community, so that wouldn’t work.

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trapper1960strapper1960s Not with “and/or”. If they pay taxes they would still vote.

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Lol missed the and/ or

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trapper1960strapper1960s But now that you mention it we could remove the “/or” part of it and watch the liberals scream bloody murder.

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Yep and how many votes did hildabeast get from illegals in the liberal states like California and New York?!?! Just subtract those from those two states would probably give trump the popular vote. Why you have liberals fighting so hard about photo id requirement?! Hell they’re even saying out loud that illegals should be allowed to vote. They’re losing their moderates because how extreme they’re going so they have to replace them with a larger group. They’re estimating 25 million illegals in this country, which I think that maybe low on the low side, that would give them 76-81 million votes to our 53 million. I would call that a landslide Republicans would be a permanent minority party. End of constitution and hello communism. George soros has worked and paid so much for this

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AvatarCentral Valley I like the idea of only those who pay taxes and/or own property vote.

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I like the idea of taxpayers, however, you are back to the 16 year olds voting who are car hops or other low paying jobs. At 16, who has a brain?

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DemocratsRFubarDemocratsRFubar Oh no….I wouldn’t have that be the only parameter. There would still be a minimum age.

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you like your ideas—ocrazio likes her ideas—beto likes his ideas
I like the founders’ ideas smile

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pyboppybop Are you sure about that? Our current laws weren’t the original laws. Aside from the slew of things I know you wouldn’t go back to, voting age would be 21. I think that’s better than 18 because most of them don’t have a clue yet and haven’t experienced life on their own. I’d make exceptions for the military. IMO, a college kid living on mommy and daddy’s dime without any real life experience shouldn’t be voting.

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Yes I am sure about it…their ideas meant that one person cannot dictate that they have the best way…it doesn’t mean that the laws cannot change—it means that YOU cannot be the sole arbiter of the best idea/solution/law…

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pyboppybop Are you talking about the general “you” or me personally? I’m taking it as me. Who’s dictating anything? It’s just expressing ideas and I wouldn’t be the sole arbiter of anything. When did I ever say that? Can I not express an opinion on what the voting requirements should be? Of course I can.

I’m going to call you on your wish to go back to the way it started. You said you want it. Women don’t vote. Blacks don’t vote. Native Americans don’t vote. I believe some states had literacy requirements. That’s why I asked “are you sure?”

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kong1967kong1967 I have stood up for you when you were being denigrated from all sides…but you are wrong in this retort simply because you didn’t read (understand) my response.

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pyboppybop Not sure what sticking up for me in the past has to do with anything because I wasn’t insulting you. I was just lost on what you were getting at.

I did read your response. We were talking about voting laws so when you said you liked the founders ideas I had no idea and no way to know you weren’t referring to voting laws.

Let’s just forget it. It was a misunderstanding.

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As always, the Left wants to change the rules… what a bunch of losers!

kong1967
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They have to get past the notion that individual votes elect the President. They don’t. The states elect the Presidents and that’s why even after you recalculate the electoral votes Trump still would have won. Each state chooses a candidate, so each individual vote in a state makes no difference.

At least unless more states go to split the electoral vote in their own state…which would be stupid. They would be nullifying their own vote or making very little difference in the differential.

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You’re asking people that still think that the United States is a democracy to get over the fact that they aren’t all powerful and important, and elect presidents. That’s not going to happen. Especially in states like California, Oregon, New York or the District of Columbia.

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IBJr.IBJr. That’s correct, so in the meantime they can take their idiocy and pound sand.

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