Herman Cain introduces 999 “Opportunity Zones”

Herman Cain gave a speech today in Detroit introducing “Opportunity Zones” in his 999 plan. In short, if you are at or below poverty level, the plan will be 9-0-9.



While he was delivering it, I must say that it occurred to me that he was sounding more presidential than ever. That’s the first time I’ve had that thought.

This is his entire 20 minute speech:

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TERESA
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TERESA

Are we really going along with this,zones,most of the people in those so called zones do not want to work or change they are looking for hand outs and with this they will get another one.Again the people that work will pay for them to sit home and draw checks.If they want help find a way to get them in school or find them a job! I have had to work 2 jobs most of my life.If you want to work you will.On the other hand i know in these times there are alot of people out of work that have worked all thier life,if you want to help someone help them.They will be productive later.As they say you cant keep making the same mistakes and have a different outcome,this is just more handouts with the same outcome.

Nancy Engledow
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Nancy Engledow

I am sure that Mr Cain has thoughtfully considered the approach to poverty. Poverty is not a way of life and is not permanent. It is a sad period of time when American citizens have lost employment. When the 999 plan is passed, there will be jobs…and those that have had a temporary setback will be able to rise out of the poverty level…to hold their heads high and say…President Cain turned our country around. The once despirate situation that past Presidents have placed them in will be no longer. We are a nation of proud people. We do not want the government to permanently take care of us. We are strong..we want to be self sufficient…we want to rise again to be a thriving and economically powerful nation….The United States of America!!!! Note: I am a supporter of Mr Herman Cain for POTUS!!!!! During the past three years, I… Read more »

Nancy Engledow
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Nancy Engledow

I am sure that Mr Cain has thoughtfully considered the approach to poverty. Poverty is not a way of life and is not permanent. It is a sad period of time when American citizens have lost employment. When the 999 plan is passed, there will be jobs…and those that have had a temporary setback will be able to rise out of the poverty level…to hold their heads high and say…President Cain turned our country around. The once despirate situation that past Presidents have placed them in will be no longer. We are a nation of proud people. We do not want the government to permanently take care of us. We are strong..we want to be self sufficient…we want to rise again to be a thriving and economically powerful nation….The United States of America!!!! Note: I am a supporter of Mr Herman Cain for POTUS!!!!! During the past three years, I… Read more »

Nancy Engledow
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Nancy Engledow

I am sure that Mr Cain has thoughtfully considered the approach to poverty. Poverty is not a way of life and is not permanent. It is a sad period of time when American citizens have lost employment. When the 999 plan is passed, there will be jobs…and those that have had a temporary setback will be able to rise out of the poverty level…to hold their heads high and say…President Cain turned our country around. The once despirate situation that past Presidents have placed them in will be no longer. We are a nation of proud people. We do not want the government to permanently take care of us. We are strong..we want to be self sufficient…we want to rise again to be a thriving and economically powerful nation….The United States of America!!!! Note: I am a supporter of Mr Herman Cain for POTUS!!!!! During the past three years, I… Read more »

nuffsaid
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nuffsaid

If this man becomes the only candidate against Obama, we are in very deep trouble. If he wins, our troubles will be even deeper. How is it again that 9-9-9- pays off the trillions of dollars in debt? Just happens magically? What is it about 999 that defeats the Islamist terrorists? Again, how does 999 seal the borders and what was it that 999 has to do with the Muslim Brotherhood threat in Northern Africa? 999 is just an idea. How will Herman, a man who is admittedly a Washington DC outsider,sell his idea to Congress? A Congress, which is made up of over 600 professional politician, over 600 Washington insiders? And what happens to 9-9-9 when Herman leaves office? All this excitement reminds me of when Scott Brown suddenly surged in the Massachusetts polls. Before he was even selected and before he was outed as the RINO that he… Read more »

K-Bob
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K-Bob

I get your point. The problem is, none of the other candidates meet your list of questions nearly as well as Cain. At least, none that seem to be getting anywhere.

nuffsaid
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nuffsaid

I just don’t feature and ex-CEO of Godfather Pizza taking on the Iranians. Even Obama has some history with muslims. What will Herman substitute for experience in foreign policy? Will he seek wise counsel? Will he appoint a czar of mis-speaking? Time is running out ya’ll.

Is there anyone who will press the issues on this man? Can you not see that the Left and the Democrats are drooling over the possibility of running Obama against Cain? Are you all numb?

Anonymous
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Anonymous

Obama had zero experience with the Iranians. He wanted to pull out of Iraq with a timetable, he messed up our only good chance to assist Iranian dissidents overthrow the regime, he gave away a great bargaining chip in regards to missle defence with the Soviets. Cain couldn’t be worse- plus he likes John Bolton!!

K-Bob
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K-Bob

I don’t have any idea why you think Cain can’t talk to The Iranians. He isn’t maintaining his position in the polls because he isn’t clear on things. He’s quite clear, most of the time. That’s why people like him.

I have a hard time seeing Romney dealing with the Iranians, when it comes to that. Perry would make the right decisions about Iran, but he clearly struggles to talk to anyone.

As to the left’s drooling, if it’s over Cain, then that’s totally hilarious. Cain doesn’t stutter, for one. He understands economics, for two. The SCOAMF would never survive a debate with Cain. Not even close.

odin147
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odin147

i am not fan of repealing the 16th amendment right now…this will create too much uncertainty in the market…i would rather have the current tax system with an opt out to flat tax…then over time repeal the 16th amendment or atleast wait until the economy rebounds before repealing

Anonymous
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Anonymous

The 16th amendment is to give power to congress to tax us individually. The uncertainty in the market today is how and how much the government we tax us. So, if the you repeal 16th amendment it will take away uncertainty. Individuals will be left free and that is what we what!

odin147
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odin147

true…but the fight to repeal the 16th amendment creates the uncertainty…i don’t think this is time to have that fight

K-Bob
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K-Bob

I sort of agree. I want instant action on Corporate taxes, Capital gains, and Death taxes, under the current structure. That has to happen NOW to get the economy rolling.

But I would still like to see them get busy on reform of the whole tax system, just as soon as they get past that, but only AFTER repealing Obamacare.

We can do more than one thing at a time.

johnnyred51
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johnnyred51

Wasn’t it Daddy Bush who said “Read my lips. No new taxes.” Thats the main reason he lost the election. By the same token anyone who tries to raise the NST would be exposed to the public’s outcry.

Dale Noyse
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Dale Noyse

I support Herman Cain, and I hope you will too, this is our chance to reclaim the American spirit, freedom and the American Dream, support Herman Cain 2012, our next President of these United States of America.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

There one issue I see that could be a problem: Capital gains tax is eliminated and the corporate income tax is 9% The problem I have is that Corporations Don’t Pay Taxes! They pass on the tax to u and me by raising the price of their products, not giving employees raises, laying off employees, not hiring, not paying or reducing their dividends to share holders, and if the corporate tax is to high they will move out of the country. A small corporation can not do all I just describe. They just will not be as competitive with higher wages lower prices etc, as the big corporations can. Capital Gains tax is also how billionaires make their money because they do not pay the pay role tax. The democrats will butcher the hell out of this weakness. I like to see the 9% corporate tax eliminated and shift to… Read more »

nuffsaid
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nuffsaid

I just don’t understand how one man with a tax plan can capture the imagination of a people who are on the verge of losing everything precious–their their nation, their culture and their liberty. Do you really think that Herman Cain can handle the problems Obama has generated? Obama was a Constitutional scholar. He has made in-roads into the very guts of the bureaucracies and the policies of this nation that we will not discover for years. Unlike Herman who plans to appoint “wise-counsel,” Obama appointed obedient-counsel. I’m not saying the Obama is like Hitler, but, as a socialist, Hitler was a master of selecting the right man to lead every bureaucracy, no matter how small or insignificant. He selected the perfect person who would use that agency to further the cause of the leader at any cost. Hitler was probably the greatest micro-manager who ever lived and beside him,… Read more »

K-Bob
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K-Bob

Capital gains should not be taxed. At all.

I can see having some corporate taxes, since that moves the money into the coffers faster than waiting for consumers to pay it all in. As long as the rates are low, I don’t mind it. I know we’re paying for it, just like we would if there were no corp. taxes at all, so it’s a wash.

The point is to keep it low, and make it hard to change.

Scott Cainiac
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Scott Cainiac

You still are not understanding that this was a slow leak strategy to ensure that the general public would see you and those like you as the knee jerk reactionaries, without a shred of credibility that you are; the fact that you still don’t get it and are doubling down only reinforces that view. I would feel bad for you, but you are dishonest and disparaging about a man whose shoes, you are not fit to shine. *THAT is correct usage of the term disparaging.

Scott Cainiac
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Scott Cainiac

Go down about 60 posts or so and I will give you the right context in which to use the word correctly.

Conservative_Hippie
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Conservative_Hippie

I know I’ve said it ad nauseum, but gosh I love his voice!

Alex Scarborough
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Alex Scarborough

Folks – I am in. 999 or 909, I am in. Which ever is better than what we have. It is honest. No one knows how much they pay now, the packaging is so deceptive, they don’t know what they pay, but they know how much they got back in their #!%# refund! The 10,000,000 words of tax law is full of deception, We will not know all that we turn loose when that is eleminated.

TannerE
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TannerE

No no no… adding a new form of taxation (sales tax) doesn’t solve anything. If anything it will give lobbyists and politicans permission to game 2 systems of taxation on us… our paychecks AND our receipts.

Remember, Reagan did well to simplify the income tax in the 80’s… but look at how much it’s been gamed in the 20+ years since. We shouldn’t give DC permission to do this to us again on both our income and consumption!

We need a candidate with a plan to drastically cut spending!

K-Bob
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K-Bob

They all say they’re gonna cut spending.

TannerE
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TannerE

It’s easy to cut a few million from the budget and say you’ve accomplished your goal of cutting spending… they need to come up with an actual plan. And only one of them has come up with a plan for major cuts and to balance the budget. They should all have plans like that!

K-Bob
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K-Bob

That’s a good point. Why bother to run if you don’t have things like that figured out?

Anonymous
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Anonymous

Ron Paul put out a plan that addresses your concern – deficit spending which acts like a tax. Also, he tackles inflationary tax created by the Fed printing huge amounts of dollars. Spending is the issue. Also, 9-9-9 redistributes the tax burden onto the middle class substantially. Corporations will see a huge increase in tax (look at the numbers in the projections) — that cost will be passed on to the consumer. The rhetoric that demand will increase is misleading.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

I’m now leaning toward Cain. Thanks for defending your 9-9-9 plan to the attacks. I hope it will stand up to the barrage.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

9-9-9 increases taxes on the middle America. Look at the “Restore America” Plan and see specifics that address the #1 concern — deficit spending. How many were elected in 2010 saying, “Washington doesn’t have a revenue problem, DC has a SPENDING problem?” If his plan is revenue neutral, were still running $1 trillion deficits, aren’t we?

Mark Spencer
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Mark Spencer

Wow -what a great speech from the next president !

K-Bob
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K-Bob

I’m wondering why Cain couldn’t get a larger audience in Detroit. I know Detroit is the plaything of the hard left, but I bet Mayor Bing would have welcomed Herman Cain, as well as many leaders in the area. Especially with Dr. Alveda King coming,too.

I only found one story with a photo, and it claimed only about 50 or so folks were in attendance.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

I like Mr. Cain also, but, I don’t agree on 909. The whole idea of the “flat tax” is vetted in “EVERYONE” pays an equal share. I don’t care if your “poor”, you should pay your “FAIR” share!

TannerE
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TannerE

I don’t like the idea of introducing a new form of taxation (sales tax) without first getting rid of the existing form (income tax). Reagan did well to simplify the income tax in the 80’s… but look at how much it’s been gamed in the 20+ years since. We shouldn’t give DC permission to do this to us again on both our income and consumption! It’s moves like this that gave us the income tax in the first place 100 years ago.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

I agree, what I heard in the very first dabate, sorry, can’t remember exactly when that one was, Mr. Cain said he would include in the legislation that it would take a super majority to change the tax rate. I also believe he has said that 999 would abolish the current tax code. Now, of course, that will depend on what the outcome of the Congressional elections are as to it being passed or not, we all know how this beauracracy works.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

And, if you actually watched this video, it explains exactly the points I mentioned above. Watch and learn.

TannerE
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TannerE

Still, all it would take is that super majority to make it just as gamable as today’s tax code… and remember how close liberals were to a super majority just a short time ago. AND it would also take a super majority to lower the tax rate.

K-Bob
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K-Bob

I don’t mind a “new” form if it replaces thousands of what Mr. Cain calls “sneakataxes”. With one exception: National Sales Tax. NST is a bad idea because in the western psyche, “Sales Tax” is a given. It’s accepted as permanent, and no one seems to complain about it. It never goes down. It taxes everything at multiple points, and it frequently leads to VAT schemes. Income tax, on the other hand, has a history of fluctuation. It’s a lot easier to bargain over one form of tax–politically–than multiple ones. However, I can live with an NST if it’s put in the Constitution, is set to something between .5% and 2%, and cannot be changed by Congress. All the other items in Cain’s plan are reasonable, and should be discussed. But only after Obamacare is safely and totally repealed, and Corporate taxes are lowered permanently (under the current plan).

TannerE
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TannerE

Its dangerous… because the plan is revenue neutral, all those “sneakataxes” would be made up for with the sales tax. Plus the new taxes would be harder to reduce because of it requiring a super majority.

K-Bob
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K-Bob

All they have to do to bypass the supermajority rule is repeal the supermajority requirement and do whatever they like. They cannot bind a future Congress.

Hozee
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Hozee

I’m supposed to be happy because we are playing games with a new way to fund an out of control spending government? I’m tea party and when did we lose the #1 core value of cutting back the size and scope of the government? I don’t see anything in Cains proposals or his talk that says he is going to do it. All I hear is “this is a new way to bring in the same amount of money to feed the monster”. No Thanks.

TannerE
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TannerE

I’m so glad I’m not the only one thinking this!

Anonymous
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Anonymous

Cain is the ONLY voice with a plan with any details at all. That it’s not perfect is not such a surprise; the problem is huge. Any plan will have it’s supporters and detractors, but the majority like what they hear.

It’s called a starting point. A line in the sand to fix this mess before we’re completely flushed down the bowl. We’re already getting dizzy spinning in it.

Hozee
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Hozee

LMAO…Paul’s plan actually does something besides just fund the government at the levels we have now. People hear “you won’t have to pay as much”. If we cut government we won’t either and we get the benefit of getting them out of our lives. People supporting Cain crack me up. Supporters of big government calling themselves conservatives lol

Anonymous
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Anonymous

Oh, you’re a PaulBot. Never mind. I don’t drink that Koolaide.

TannerE
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TannerE

Do you like being called a teabagger or racist? Please don’t resort to name calling. We’re all conservatives for crying out loud.

You may not agree with Paul’s foreign policy, but at least give the man credit for his economic stances. He’s the only candidate up there that predicted this recession and the burst of the housing bubble. He’s also the only one that was against the bailouts.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

Ron Paul has given the BOLD plan — reduce Federal spending! If Cain’s plan is revenue neutral, as they claim — the NEXT question is when and where do we cut?

Jasmine Clark
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Jasmine Clark

PLEASE everyone, sign the petition to ask sarah palin to change her mind and RUN. please sign and spread it around: http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/runsarahrun/ i feel like, if sarah doesn’t run, romney will be the nominee. when palin said “no” i decided to support cain, i’ve always liked him. but lately i am losing hope in him because he doesn’t explain things well. he’s had trouble explaning this plan and now it looks like he’s being inconsistent. it’s 999 and 909 now, what’s the next number? starting to become confusing. and his talk ob abortion confused me too. i think i understand his position and i do believe he’s pro-life but he did a really bad job of explaining it. he has no political experience, which means he’s never won an election. he means well but he has no idea what he’s doing. perry made several mistakes and his poll numbers dropped… Read more »

K-Bob
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K-Bob

I really, really wanted her to run. I was prepared to send the maximum contribution.

But I’m going to respect her choice and move on.

Cain explains things better than most politicians you’ll ever hear, so I don’t think you need to worry about that. There’s a reason he’s stayed in this race this long, and keeps moving up, and his clarity on things is part of that reason.

BSScoop
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BSScoop

I find it amazing how many so called Conservatives/Republicans are in love with the current tax code. All of you criticizing 9-9-9 + OZ’s should be ashamed of yourselves. It ain’t perfect because their ain’t no perfect with taxation. It is light-years better than the monstrosity of evil that exists today.

Herman Cain for president, 2012. I’m all in.

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TannerE
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TannerE

I’m amazed at how many conservatives are in support of this! Reagan did well to simply the income tax in the 80’s… but look at how much it’s been gamed over the past 20+ years!!! 999 gives us both an income AND sales tax… just imagine how much both those systems will be gamed when lobbyists get their hands on them. We’ll be paying taxes on our paychecks and our receipts.

We can’t be introducing new forms of taxation… we need to work toward paying off our debt and then work toward a zero tax rate like we had more than 100 years ago.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

Like so many here, I like and want to support this guy. But when he says at the beginning of his speech his definition of fairness is treating everyone the same and then just minutes later makes a special point of showing how some will be treated differently, it gets me wondering. I support te opportunity zones, just the obvious contradiction is striking. He still hasn’t convinced be that the new sales tax won’t give future congresses more opportunity for increased revenue. Also, the plan is supposed to be simple, yet there are deductions for capital investment ( how are they defined? ) and charity. Once there some exemptions others are sure to follow. About the middle “0”. If a person or family that makes below the poverty line pays no tax why would they want to make a few dollars more than the poverty line if it means paying… Read more »

Anonymous
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Anonymous

I think you have to realize what he is doing here. If Cain manages to sell this plan in places like Detroit, and then implement it as President, he will drive a stake through the heart of the Left in America. Can you imagine places like Detroit getting rid of teacher’s unions and minimum wage laws, onerous zoning laws, implementing right to work, and then THRIVING as never before? Once you break the lock that the Democratic Party and the unions have on poor minorities in the inner cities (and rural and suburban areas as well), that’s the end of the Left in America. Their electoral coalition would be dead for a generation, left with just a few dirty hippies and fringe freaks on the coasts.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

Remember with this man is 48 hours period .48 hours ago hes tax,tax,tax, plan if for everybody , now its for some people .Open your eyes RS ,THIS MAN ITS A FIASCO .

Anonymous
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Anonymous

Open your eyes. Whose better, Obama, Mitt, Perry? And save me the I’m not gonna settle crap. Because at the end of the day, a pile of turds is better than what we have today.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

At least you have talent for look for the worst candidates .Any of this ones include Mr Cain its in my list believe me .

Anonymous
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Anonymous

Ron Paul is the ONLY candidate to specifically address government spending, personal liberties, and a sound dollar.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

Guess you weren’t listening, just like those other presidential wannabes.
Go to to his website and read it. Right there in black and white, all along.
His plan solves the regression problem and turns people from welfare recipients into taxpayers. Isn’t that what you want?

Anonymous
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Anonymous

I listening and read and see a candidated to want to run like a conservative , but hes first plan is a tax,tax,tax, plan and try to sell like a job plan . A candidate to everytime have a reasons (excuses) when somebody remember his past positions and the he already broke all the misspoke record in politic historic , why because hes not honest .

Ellis Baxter
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Ellis Baxter

The opportunity to elect the first entrepreneurial president is now. I was thinking as you said Presidential and Lincoln, King and Reagan ! Those were the echos I heard in my thoughts. This is the path out of the darkness of payoffs and Wall Street Bankers, Union Thugs, and Unelected Bureaucrats! GOD SAVE THE REPUBLIC !

Chris
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Chris

So now it’s a progressive tax structure – which is what we already have. Don’t BS us Herb, we are smarter than that. Maybe it’s time to say – “ya know there’s more to being president than I thought – I withdraw”. Can you say bored rich man?

Steven
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Steven

Everyone is a critic. Yesterday they were complaining it raises taxes on the poor. Today they complain it’s progressive? WTF?

Jus
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Jus

I’m sure Cain would have never guessed he’d be number 1 in the polls (albeit still a ways to go). Despite being number 1, it is highly improbable he will be the GOP candidate. There are a number of reasons as to why I believe this, the most obvious one though to me is race. You think there would be a presidential election where you had to choose between 2 black guys? I don’t think the GOP would let that happen.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

Let’s start out with the “I’m sure Cain…” comment. Are you clairvoyant? Next!

Highly improbably, based on what? As I recall the Republicans have a long history of being pro black whereas the Democrats… let’s start with the KKK and end with the just recently passed away Byrd that was a KKK officer and democratic politician. Next!

And finally I don’t think the GOP will let that happen remark. It’s up to the constituents not the officers of the party.

Now go sit in a corner and meditate on all this.

K-Bob
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K-Bob

You either don’t understand his plan, or you don’t know what a “progressive” structure is.

Chris Dias
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Chris Dias

Good one!

Chris Dias
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Chris Dias

I’ll vote for him.

Brandy Carter
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Brandy Carter

I can see a crafty lawyer challenging this ’empowerment zone’ with a violation of equal protection.

Jaynie59
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Jaynie59

That’s “Opportunity Zone”. Empowerment Zone is so last week. Or Tuesday. Whatever day was before the day someone told Herman the word empowerment sounded too liberal or something.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

And where is that lawyer today with the progressive tax system that is in place TODAY?

Anonymous
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Anonymous

These kinds of zones have been in places for decades. There’s no discrimination against any particular individuals. Everyone within the zone is treated equally.

DJY
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DJY

Herman Cain, nice speech man! now, please keep it up. Thanks RS for uploading the video.

Jim Land
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Jim Land

Laffer has been laughably bad at predictions.

K-Bob
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K-Bob

So is everyone else. But his economic theory has been demonstrated to be sound.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

Ever read Future Babble? (look it up)
No one is good at predictions. In fact, almost all predictions are worthless.
You would do better flipping a coin.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

Laffer was miserable at even discussing the housing bubble. He refused to even listen to an opposing opinion. But, now he is correct? A tax increase on the middle class without addressing spending is lunacy.

Laura Ricketts
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Laura Ricketts

I LOVE that Alveda King introduced him! She is AWESOME (and what a great silent message to the Pro-Life community!)

James Wilson
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James Wilson

No!!! Cain had a good plan with everyone paying the same thing. No longer.

Jaynie59
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Jaynie59

I’m curious how he’s going to spin this now that his plan isn’t revenue neutral anymore. Along with telling poor folks to buy used stuff, the revenue neutral thing was a big part of his spiel. He can’t say that now unless he was lying about it before.

metro_con
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metro_con

You seem to be under the impression that these Zones are something Cain just now came up with, and that it changes the plan as originally proposed. It isn’t and it doesn’t.

Jaynie59
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Jaynie59

I was referring to his change from 9-9-9 to 9-0-9.

edenjac
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edenjac

Jaynie you have not read the scoring of the plan from September. The plan & the math included a carve out for the poor since the beginning so its revenue neutral.

Jaynie59
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Jaynie59

So 9-9-9 was never 9-9-9?

OK. Hey, it was an obvious gimmick from the beginning so it shouldn’t surprise anyone that it will be “tweaked”.

edenjac
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edenjac

9-9-9 is a plan or whatever you wanted to be. Its a win for the country for we are talking taxes and not doing the same old thing. Can’t wait to hear Perry talk his flat tax proposal : )

Jaynie59
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Jaynie59

I wanna hear them talk about spending. Cain fails that test, too, because he opposes eliminating anything. He wants to reform everything. I guess after he’s done taxing everything once.

edenjac
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edenjac

LOL I’m guessing you have not heard of the 9-9-9 plan that eliminates the current tax code or starting from scratch on the EPA or the Chilean Model or the HR3400 for Healthcare. On spending he already said he is looking at 20% cut by allowing each dept to input on the 1st 10%. That’s a plan right?

Jaynie59
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Jaynie59

Yeah, I’ve heard all that. Anyone who thinks the tax code will get thrown out is naive at best. Cain himself is already making so many exceptions to his own “simple” plan and is too dumb to realize he can’t call it 9-9-9 anymore. But that won’t stop him from calling it that.

He calls himself “100% pro-life” even though he is clearly pro-choice. Cain has no principles at all and he proves that every time he opens his mouth.

Whatever. Believe what you want.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

And getting rid of the EPA and the Dept. of Education and others doesn’t cut back on spending as well?! You must have studied the NEW math.

Hozee
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Hozee

How much is that going to save?…1 trillion?…I doubt it.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

Considering our current government can’t save 30 BILLION dollars, it’s quite a good start. Good as in 3300% or so better, if “ONLY a trillion.

Jaynie59
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Jaynie59

Ron Paul is the candidate who said he wants to get rid of the EPA and dept of Ed. Herman Cain has said he will NOT eliminate any department. And no, I’m not a Paulnut. Ron Paul is an anti-American Jew hater and I’ll stay home before I vote for him.

edenjac
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edenjac

Well I guess there’s a lot of naive people but throwing out the tax code is what got Mr. Cain to the lead of the polls, so I can conclude that’s what people really want to happen. It seems it always ends the same, put downs and name calling, oh well…

Anonymous
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Anonymous

Did you even listen to the speech at all? If you had, you might have noticed that, even with people below the poverty line paying nothing, the plan is STILL revenue neutral. The whole thing is on his website.

Scott Cainiac
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Scott Cainiac

No, you and others got set up, because you jumped to conclusions, as you are doing right now. You have spent more time arguing against a plan that you never read, than it would of taken for you to read the plan in the first place.

metro_con
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metro_con

I understand some of the initial apprehension towards the ‘Opportunity/Empowerment Zones’, but let’s be realistic here: Many of the people helped by these Zones won’t be paying taxes WITHOUT the Zones either, because *they don’t have jobs!*

This is a method for getting jobs to people who don’t currently have them, much more than it is a method to give people who currently have jobs a ‘free ride.’ I can support this.

In the long term this can begin to turn around some of the worst areas of the country and can perhaps snap many people out of the Democrat-voting, welfare-seeking mentality.

TannerE
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TannerE

I disagree… 999 is just asking for politicians and lobbyists to tax us twice as much – on our paycheck AND our receipts.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

Guess you also weren’t listening, just like those other presidential wannabes.
Go to to his website and read it. Right there in black and white, all along.
His plan solves the regression problem and turns people from welfare recipients into taxpayers. Isn’t that what you want?

Scott Cainiac
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Scott Cainiac

This was always part of the plan. Did you ever read the entire plan?

James Wilson
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James Wilson

NO!!!!

Darlene Boudah
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Darlene Boudah

what about the states that do not any sales tax or income like here in NH I still have not heard any alernative solutions???

Jaynie59
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Jaynie59

Yeah, notice how in this speech Cain has no problem connecting his opportunity zones with local policies and procedures. But state sales taxes have nothing to do with his national sales tax and anyone who brings it up is stupid.

Travis Pierson
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Travis Pierson

Even in states that don’t pay sales tax, companies pay the corporate tax rate of up to 36%. That rate would be cut to 9%. Companies would be able to maintain profits at a lower cost so the price of all goods and services would drop. The corporate tax rate is added on several levels – from raw materials, manufacturer, wholesaler, distributor on to the final point of sale. With a lower corporate tax rate, the end cost the consumer pays will easily be 25% less than it is now and could be closer to 40% less. So, if you’re paying a 9% sales tax on an item that is 40% less than it used to be, you’re still going to come out ahead. One criticism of this “assumption” is that companies will not necessarily reduce their prices. That may be true of some, but others will see their lower… Read more »

Jaynie59
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Jaynie59

When you get that to fit on a bumper sticker let me know.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

Don’t confuse Jaynie with the facts.

Jaynie59
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Jaynie59

I’m not the one who is “confused”. What’s comical about Cain is that so many conservatives have no problem admitting they are confused when it comes to his statements. Seriously. That’s the one word I’ve seen all over the place about Cain’s abortion comments. Everybody is confused. Too funny. The guy states flat out that he believes abortion is a personal decision and suddenly everybody is “confused”.

Cain’s 999 plan is now 909 and that’s clear as can be. Riiiiight.

Herman Cain is a disaster. An absolute disaster. Let’s hope he crashes and burns because if this guy gets the nomination this country is doomed.

Scott Cainiac
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Scott Cainiac

It’s Time To Apply
Cainsian Economics.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

Look at the projected corporate revenue compared to last years – there is a substantial increase. That cost will be passed on to consumers. You are speculating prices will decrease, what if they do not?

Scott Cainiac
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Scott Cainiac

No. not stupid, just disingenuous. He is not seeking to alter local taxes, just local policies that are hampering the ability of people to succeed.

Jaynie59
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Jaynie59

I know it’s pointless to bring this up because people who think Cain was presidential in that speech are too far gone to care what he says or does. But here goes: You do all realize that Cain’s new 9-0-9 plan makes the non payment of income tax policy, right? You get that? Right now, the lowest tax bracket is 10%. People don’t pay that or pay nothing, or even get refunds, due to tax rules given to low income people. There is no stated policy that says people are exempt from the income tax. It just works out that way because of the rules. Does any one here give a rats ass about principles? As far as Cain being presidential? Compared to Obama he came across as just as thin skinned and self centered. That debate really, really bothered him and his digs at the other candidates was pure… Read more »

joel Fiser
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joel Fiser

No income tax is what we want.
The end game is The Fair Tax – which means no income tax for anybody – only consumption tax.

Jaynie59
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Jaynie59

So what happens to Social Security and Medicare? They become flat out welfare programs, right? We no longer have any moral claim to any of the money we pay into those programs now, right? Great. Wonderful idea. Just as demographics make us top heavy with the elderly we make it clear they’re on the dole. Great idea.

Scott Cainiac
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Scott Cainiac

As compared to who else in the GOP field?

Joe
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Joe

NO cue cards – Speaks from his heart and convictions

K-Bob
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K-Bob

He had notes, and he definitely read from them. In fact, I think he needs to have the mics raised up a bit so he isn’t always looking downward. Of course, you can raise them too high, so you look like Obama, looking down his nose at everyone.

Scott Cainiac
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Scott Cainiac

solid advice. thank you.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

This man makes Obama’s so-called speaking abilities (touted so much back in 2008) look absolutely CRAP! Cain/Bachmann 2012.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

Bachmann as the VP pick would make the left rage so hard it would be funny.

K-Bob
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K-Bob

I can see the movie now ~ ~ ~ ~

Rage Hard!

Starring Islamic Rage Boy, and a cast of thousands (of Soros’ minions)!

Scott Cainiac
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Scott Cainiac

You could hear the gnashing of teeth on the wind the night it broke.

K-Bob
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K-Bob

That’s some good Bad Hemingway!

Scott Cainiac
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Scott Cainiac

She seems like a very competent representative, but I would like to see a less polarizing figure as the VP.

metro_con
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metro_con

I think Cain would be wise to pick a strong, conservative governor as a running mate, if we’re fortunate enough to see Herman get the nomination.

Unfortunately, some of the best governors are still in their first term and I wouldn’t want to take them away from their states. Jindal, Scott, Walker, Haley, McDonnell, and Christie are all doing well for their states.

Scott Cainiac
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Scott Cainiac

How is Christie a conservative?

Agor Jagot
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Agor Jagot

Cain/Rubio!

Travis Pierson
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Travis Pierson

I was never impressed with Obama’s oratory skills. Sure, he’s okay at doing the preacher inflection thing which, I guess, can sucker some people (“Elmer Gantry. Elmer… Fudd Gantry”), but he never says anything worth remembering. Substance matters. Obama still has yet to deliver a speech that contained one iota of substance.

K-Bob
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K-Bob

I think Obama said “Yes, we Cain!”

Travis Pierson
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Travis Pierson

Does anyone else find it ironic that Obama used “Yes, we can!” as a campaign slogan and then, after taking office, immediately started telling us all the things we can’t keep doing.

Can’t eat potatoes.
Can’t drive a big car.
Can’t keep your house 72 degrees all year.
Can’t blah blah blah et cetera et cetera ad infinitum.

My response is, predictably, “Yes, we can!”

Anonymous
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Anonymous

From Cains site Phase One Our current economic crisis calls for bold action to truly stimulate the economy and Renew America back to its greatness. The 9-9-9 Plan gets Washington D.C. out of the business of picking winners and losers, using the tax code to dole out favors, and dividing the country with class warfare. 9% Business Flat Tax Gross income less all purchases from other U.S. located businesses, all capital investment, and net exports. Empowerment Zones will offer deductions for the payroll of those employed in the zone. 9% Individual Flat Tax. Empowerment Zones will offer additional deductions for those living and/or working in the zone. You notice there is no deductions for wages except in the empowerment zone, plus his plan will offer additional deductions for those living and or working in The Cain zone. Doesn’t that contradict ” The 9-9-9 Plan gets Washington D.C. out of the… Read more »

edenjac
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edenjac

I don’t think so, so far what I get is that this is an incentive for labor based business, who whas going to be affected with 9-9-9 as you have mentioned before, to move directly into an empowerment zone and provide low skilled type employment to people. Win for business, win for people with no jobs, low skills.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

That’s picking winners and losers. It’s not a win for the majority of businesses not in the empowerment zones. The businesses in the empowerment zones can lower prices due to the huge savings from being able to deduct cost of wages. Businesses not in the empowerment zones won’t have that option. How can they be competitive with Cain’s chosen businesses?

edenjac
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edenjac

The idea as I read, more details need to come out, its for the whole country to become an opportunity zone, its a national competion to de-regulate and allow business back to the US. Instead of dividing it will be uniting communities to want to become more business friendly.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

This is exactly right, Edenjac.

Right now the left has persuaded a large portion of the country to be upset because the rich aren’t being taxed more.

Cain’s Opportunity Zone plan will make people upset because they aren’t being taxed LESS.

It completely reverses the current mindset and it’s absolutely brilliant.

edenjac
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edenjac

Yes, he is using the technique in reverse. You can already see results with the union fatties crying out. This man is no rookie in tax issues, he knows how it affects business and people. The plan revolves about making everything more efficient like it should be.

DJ DeMent
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DJ DeMent

It’s encouraging the losers to get back up and push forward again, to know they won’t be held down until they can pull their weight. Frankly it’s the best kind of assistance there is.

Scott Cainiac
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Scott Cainiac

well they will have to go through an exhaustive process with the government to relocate to an empowerment zone. There will be security checkpoints set up, and they will have to bribe their way through each one. The lives of their families will be forfeit, as the State will seek to make an example out of those left behind…..
waitaminute- We live in America, they can relocate, or seek change through their local representatives to turn their areas into economic zones.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

Well, lets say you’re a business. You can get an edge on other businesses by moving to Detroit. Your business succeeds because your taxes are lower. You hire people in Detroit. They go from welfare recipients to taxpayers. It’s all about getting people back to work. A rising tide floats all boats.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

Where in the US constitution does it grant the federal government the power to create “opportunity zones”?

I’m just curious.

Jamie Lowe
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Jamie Lowe

It is in the Constitution right between abortion and marriage. You need a special decoder ring and 3-D glasses to find it though.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

***threadwinner***

Scott Cainiac
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Scott Cainiac

Your argument is going to be that this is Unconstitutional? Man, I love you guys. I thought this process was going to be difficult. Mr. Cain’s strategy is even sounder than I expected.

Bobn
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Bobn

Herman did a great job. He had me a little worried after the abortion answer on Piers Morgan the other day.

Honestly, I was reluctant about the “Opportunity Zones” when I first heard about them, but if they’re done right, they may just be a solution to the economic disasters that exist in the inner cities. If they can replace entitlement with empowerment, they will change the economic and political landscape of this country.

metro_con
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metro_con

After seeing Cain on Huckabee’s show this past weekend, I wouldn’t be surprised if Cain ended up getting his endorsement. Huckabee seemed very enthusiastic about 9-9-9.

A strategically-timed endorsement in the week before Iowa would be a big deal.

Scott Cainiac
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Scott Cainiac

They are already on. It’s just not the right time to announce. Timing is crucial.

NickDeringer
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NickDeringer

Glenn Beck just raised a big red flag on Cain and his abortion stance. “Cain’s position is no different than John Kerry’s.” And this AFTER Cain clarified it. Not good. We have got some tough choices before the convention.

Don’t beat the Perry horse too hard. We may need to ride it come next November.

edenjac
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edenjac

Was John Kerry going to defund tax payer abortion provisions?

Christine Lewis
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Christine Lewis

Go ahead and vote for Bachman or Santorum or Perry.. and lose the election to Obama. Barack Obama voted 4 times against the Born Alive Infant’s Protection Act. Go ahead and stick to your ideological positions (that lose every time), and have Obama as your President for the next 4 years.
Herman Cain is a Baptist and has always been pro life..it is the Liberal media that is distorting every word he says.

As for Beck.. he is a Mormon, and will vote for a Mormon.

NickDeringer
Member
NickDeringer

Cain can’t even defend his own 9-9-9 plan.

Obama = Killed Bin Laden + killed Q’Daffy + POTUS for 4 years

Cain = 9-9-9 pie in the sky + abortion is murder but I don’t t hink the government should regulate it.

Cain is not the one. I will hold my nose and vote for Perry because at lease Perry has a great record on jobs. And this election is abou 3 things: jobs, jobs, jobs.

Christine Lewis
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Christine Lewis

I don’t believe for one minute you are any thing more than a Obama or Ron Paul supporter.
Obama did not kill Bin Laden, the Navy Seals did. And he did not kill Gadhfi, the Rebels did. Now you are toting Obama as a great “War President”.. that should play well with liberals.

NickDeringer
Member
NickDeringer

You are so wrong it’s delicious.

Cain will not be POTUS in 2012 just as I predicted that Sarah Palin would not be president in 2012.

Sorry, but I don’t do fantasy politics.

DJ DeMent
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DJ DeMent

You kinda can’t claim a victory in that position as she chose not to ran and therefore there was no way you could be proven right or wrong dude.

And yeah, Cain can win.

K-Bob
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K-Bob

You had the same odds as a coin toss with that “prediction.”

NickDeringer
Member
NickDeringer

Sure.

Scott Cainiac
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Scott Cainiac

Darn, I’ll contact the campaign in the morning. No reason to ruin their last night of good sleep with this horrible news.

NickDeringer
Member
NickDeringer

Thanks!

K-Bob
Editor
K-Bob

Obama killed Quadafi? An errant 3-iron to the temple, perhaps?

I think Perry would make a great President. I don’t see him surviving any debates, though. He’s making a bid to replace Admiral Stockdale as one of the worst in a TV debate.

NickDeringer
Member
NickDeringer

You undersestimate the power of the MSM to conflate stories and create myth. By this time next year they’ll have One-bama actually flying the Preditor Drone from his golf cart.

Perry is the least objectionable and the election is about JOBS!!! Given all his other flaws, I think Perry can hit One-bama over and over on jobs. One-bama has spent trillions and produced nothing but debt. That is his greatest weakness.

K-Bob
Editor
K-Bob

I agree that Perry would be a good President. I just don’t see him doing well in debate, even against the champion SCOAMF.

I don’t get it. Perry is great in interviews.

NickDeringer
Member
NickDeringer

True. I think as time goes on Perry will get his skills together. He needs to hit at the jobs issue. That’s his winner issue.

Scott Cainiac
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Scott Cainiac

For his sake, I hope that happens soon, we are entering crunch time.

Scott Cainiac
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Scott Cainiac

Maybe in 8 years he will be more comfortable on the national stage?

Scott Cainiac
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Scott Cainiac

He’s going to need some coaching on his vocabulary, it’s too soon after GWB. I’m not knocking Gov. Perry. It’s just an observation, kind of like Mr. Cain doesn’t need to go “folksy” like he did with the “Black Walnut” deal. He is already connecting with the public, we don’t need him to be folksy.

NickDeringer
Member
NickDeringer

Sure.

K-Bob
Editor
K-Bob

I should point out that Admiral Stockdale was a great man, and an American hero. He just turned out to be terrible in debate.

Scott Cainiac
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Scott Cainiac

Admirable Stockdale?!?!?! Bonus multiplier Sir.

K-Bob
Editor
K-Bob

“Why am I here?” –Admiral Stockdale

Good times.

Scott Cainiac
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Scott Cainiac

You not being able to read the plan yourself, is not a knock on him.

NickDeringer
Member
NickDeringer

There is no plan. It’s an outline. There are no details. There are no specifics. You’re seeing things that aren’t there.

K-Bob
Editor
K-Bob

I see plenty of details. That’s why I want some of them changed. I can see disagreeing with parts of it or even all of it, but it’s not for lack of specifics.

Federal (and most state) income tax is even more vague. “We get to tax your income, wherever we can claim it’s income.”

It doesn’t take a raft of definitions, inclusions and exclusions to outline a solid plan.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

Perry means 4 more years of Obama…He can barely construct a sentence

NickDeringer
Member
NickDeringer

If Perry can’t do it then we are in deep trouble.

Cain is not the one.

Scott Cainiac
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Scott Cainiac

Gov. Perry may be great for the state of Texas, but he is just not connecting to as broad of an audience as Mr. Cain. We are working on a shoe string budget and with =very little in the way of structure. Yet, we are tied or leading every other candidate almost coast to coast, due to the efforts os volunteers like myself, who take the initiative to educate their community about Mr. Cain and his platform. We are changing politics, as we know it.

NickDeringer
Member
NickDeringer

No money = no support. If people don’t think his plan is worth donating to they are just talking. And talk is cheap.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

I live in Texas and I won’t vote for Perry. He’s just too sneaky for me.

metro_con
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metro_con

Wouldn’t be the first time Beck took something someone said or did out of context. See: Breitbart, Andrew.

NickDeringer
Member
NickDeringer

Andrew is being sued Beck is not.

See “reality”.

DJ DeMent
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DJ DeMent

Andrew is being sued on a false premise and Beck stuck a knife in his back and twisted it. Then turned around and plagiarized the work of others.

There’s your reality.

NickDeringer
Member
NickDeringer

Sure.

Scott Cainiac
Guest
Scott Cainiac

OH NOES!!!!
*pulls covers over head*
Let them continue to expose themselves as the hacks that they are, and have always been.

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