Jon Stewart: We shouldn’t fear Islam any more than Christianity

Stewart is basically trying to point out hypocrisy of Christians, and others, who worry about more mosques being built in America. Let me be the first to say that if Islam really taught love and peace for all people, like Christianity, and would be content under our US constitution, like Christianity, I wouldn’t care. But we know that’s not the case. Islam is a radical religion created by a radical man.

It’s clear that Stewart doesn’t have a clue about Islam as he equivocates it with Christianity in terms of propagation. Christians do go out into the world to build churches and bring people to Christ, but we only seek the individual. We aren’t trying to impose a legal system that will control citizens (ie Iran) and ban speech or other things not allowed for in Islam. Walid Shoebat, a former PLO terrorist who has converted to Christianity, has even said that Islam is duping the world by masquerading as a religion, when it’s really a framework of laws intent on world domination. Yeah, I know that sounds an awful lot like ‘Pinky and the Brain’, but it’s true.



Look at what is happening in Turkey. It has slowly come under the influence of Islam at the government level, so much so that now it is an enemy of Israel. Remember the flotilla incident? Yes, Turkey’s conversion didn’t just happen overnight, and from what I understand, it was a very peaceful movement.

So if that is what Jon Stewart wants for the US, then by all means he should say so. Otherwise he should shut his pie hole when pontificating about things he doesn’t understand.

UPDATE: Something that escaped me last night, that is ironically relevant, is that Stewart should have included Comedy Central in its ‘list of hypocrites’ seeing as how they seem to fear Islam much more than Christianity. Remember this?

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Don17000
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Don17000

I knew we had personnel in Nam during Truman's time, but I thought it was more military advisers than troops. Our first casualty there was in 1945, when an American officer was mistaken for a Frenchman. But what I was saying, was that Truman should have recognized Ho's fledgling government back then, especially when Ho actually quoted our Declaration of Independence from Britain in making his own against the French. But Truman repeatedly ignored him. As for NATO… there's a lot of it I really don't get. When I lived in Spain, and went to school at Torrejon AFB for a year (my Dad arranged it somehow – we weren't in the military) it was 1964-1968, Spain was still under Franco and not yet part of NATO. They joined NATO in 1982. No idea why. It wasn't like NATO really needed Spain's help to contain Brezhnev or anything.

Don17000
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My comparison of the Maquis to Covadonga was based not upon the fact of it being a pitched battle, but upon it being essentially a local resistance movement. The Maquis were basically using small arms fire against tanks. Can't really compare this to Covadonga, where the locals and the Moors were both using blades, arrows and spears… basically using weapons of about the same level, and I doubt the numbers would have been that far apart, either. The locals actually had a chance of winning, and they did. A far more evenly matched confrontation than the Maquis against the Nazis.

KenInMontana
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KenInMontana

Tyler you really need to brush up on your comprehension skills. Just how did you arrive at this conclusion? “Also, Kenin…you would mean to tell me that the Inquisition happened BECAUSE OF MUSLIMS?” See you made this statement”This violent “Islamization” that yall are worried about is about the same as the Crusades and Inquisition.” What I was pointing out was the fact that the Inquisition had nothing to do with either of them. As to the rest of your “rant” I can only guess that it is something to do with the Reconquista and the expulsion edicts that followed. But quite frankly your statement sounds like you're accusing me of Anti Semitism. I never undertook expounding on the complexities of what may have led to the atrocities of that period ,because for one it wasn't relative to the discussion and quite frankly it appears to me that its beyond your… Read more »

Orange Shaman
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Orange Shaman

Or did Jewish people bring about the attacks from the Catholics through some kind of “Jewish Jihad” that nobody's talking about?

Orange Shaman
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Orange Shaman

I'm not an “Islam apologist” as a certain someone who I'm surprised didn't respond to this has called me multiple times. I think Islam is every bit as much of a double-edged blade if you will as Christianity. Technically ALL religions are. They can all be used for good OR evil depending on WHO is wielding the blade.

Also, Kenin…you would mean to tell me that the Inquisition happened BECAUSE OF MUSLIMS? The Church persecuted ANYONE (whether Muslim or Jewish…heck…even non-Catholic Christians) who didn't follow the “state religion” basically of “His Holiness The Pope.” There are some interesting journals from Jewish people of that time actually which talk about how they would force Jewish people to eat “non-kosher” food to prove that they had “converted.”

KenInMontana
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KenInMontana

The Center for American Progress does indeed have an effect of influence on foreign policy,however both institutions are think tanks and there are as many of them as there are political viewpoints. As to our forces' various deployments or bases,the bases in Europe are NATO bases and as I previously stated we have “carried the water” or shouldered more than our share of the burden for that organization and the UN since the inception of both.Most folks that look at those bases only seem to see the US forces and somehow overlook the forces of other NATO contingents present,strange how that happens isn't it? In case you missed it, I stated that are many of us that would love nothing better than to bring our troops home from where ever they are stationed overseas,that translates to “Bring them ALL home”. Trust me I have heard the chant “Yankee go home”… Read more »

Don17000
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I wasn't thinking about church-goers at all. I'm married to a Catholic church-goer. There are many Catholic positions she doesn't agree with, and she just ignores them. My son is a church-goer and does the same. Some call him a “cafeteria Catholic” because of this. I tell him he can retort that Jesus and his followers were “cafeteria Jews,” which was the source of many of their issues with the Pharisees. My daughters also ignore most of the church's positions, but aren't church-goers. Believe me, I know the difference between Christians and churchgoers. But in my statement, I think what I'm doing is including those Christians who thought it necessary to retranslate the Bible… because they believed that the existing translation was wrong, and found fault with the books included therein. And I'm also including militant Christians. Some may call this an oxymoron. But Jesus said he came to bring… Read more »

Don17000
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But the health care bill was only to affect Americans, in America. PNAC was to affect the rest of the world, and change it in America's favor. I say that we need to get out of interfering in world politics. Period. We've been doing it for far too long, under Republican and Democratic administrations, and it's nothing new. The coups in VietNam were, I think, errors. We should have interceded on Ho Chih Minh's behalf with France back when he first asked us for help. We could have mediated negotiations with the French for their independence, and avoided 10 costly years of war. As for the question of armed force size… when I said we had the largest in the world, I said for a nation that doesn't require military service. Technically, military service is still compulsory although the requirement is not enforced. But what I had in mind when… Read more »

Don17000
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Thanks, and apology accepted. Mine is a position many have trouble understanding.. Some assert it impossible to genuinely believe in something without being convinced it's true. I maintain that we do it all the time about a great many things, we're just conditioned not to feel that way about God.

KenInMontana
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KenInMontana

A few details overlooked ,well yes, it was not meant to be a concise history but a general timeline. The point being to show that it was Muslim aggression first not Christian aggression as shown in the dates. As to the start of the Reconquista, dates to vary but just as many place it beginning in 711 as 718,so in the spirit of compromise I'll place it sometime between 711-718. However comparing battles between full Armies to the Maquis v. German Army in France is so far fetched as to be nearly ludicrous. The Maquis managed one notable stand against the German Army,but were decimated in that battle and never engaged in pitched battle again.As to Constantine, his sincerity in his conversion is dubious as he was not baptized until he was on his deathbed,it was likely more a matter of political expedience rather than an actual conversion.He was interested… Read more »

KenInMontana
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KenInMontana

I see your Project for a New American Century (which has not published a paper or issued a statement since 2006) and raise you with The Center for American Progress, who gave us such gems as the massive Healthcare bill, chaired by John Podesta who among other things was the head of our current President's transition team. Yes, we have all heard of our government's involvement in the coup that put the Shah back on the Throne in Iran. If you'd like to delve into US backed coups, how about the coup in Vietnam to overthrow Diem that was backed and “greenlighted” by Kennedy? How about the one in 1964 to overthrow Minh backed and approved by Johnson? By the way one coup in Guatemala is not “throughout South America”. As to our Military, we have “carried the water” militarily for NATO and the UN since the founding of both… Read more »

CM Sackett
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CM Sackett

“We have no disagreement here”

Aye, indeed.

Oh, and my sincere APOLOGIES! for making a declarative statement about your convictions/stance about the existence of God.

My mistake, and more to the point… MY WRONG.

Again, I apologize DON.

CM Sackett

Don17000
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Don17000

First, let's get one thing straight… “the God I freely acknowledge and you deny… can do that.” I freely acknowledge God's existence, also. I don't deny God. I believe in His existence and reality, but only because I choose to. Not because I've seen anything by which I think proves He's real, because I haven't. Maybe He is. Maybe not. It doesn't matter to me if He is or not. I've just decided to believe that He does, because I can do that. Now, to pick apart your arguments, such as they are… Abortions can only be done on a fetus. If it's done on a separate person, it's called homicide. There are times when I'm in favor of homicide. I support the death penalty where guilt is assured and indisputable, and it's virtually assured that the convicted will kill again. There are not times when I'm in favor of… Read more »

Don17000
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Don17000

” You do know that some of these people have nukes, right? I don't think they're going to wait 700 years to use it.”

We sure as hell didn't.

Don17000
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Don17000

They can't outlaw Jihad.. it means more than a war against the infidels. Jihad literally means, “struggle” is also the name given to the struggle we all go through internally, as our better nature wrestles with the temptations to do what is expedient.

Basically, Islam and Christianity have switched places on the scale of tolerance. It used to be that Islam was tolerant, especially of “the People Of The Book” and Catholicism tortured and executed heretics. Now, Christianity mostly shrugs at heresy, while Islam issues fatwas.

Don17000
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I'm sure you overlooked a few minor details, too. The spread of Christianity through Europe by the allegedly converted Constantine, was accomplished by war. (His conversion is disputed, many believing it to be more of a convenient political stand to unite his people. His mother's conversion was undoubtedly genuine. Constantine, who had professed a devotion to Sol Invictus, negotiated some terms that a genuine convert wouldn't have bothered with, such as establishing Christmas at the winter solstice (despite the gospel accounts of shepherds in the fields with their flocks, where they certainly wouldn't have been in the dead of winter) and moving the Sabbath to Sunday. The point is, Islam was spreading the same way in the years leading up to its Golden Age. Also, you have the Reconquista of Spain occurring at the same time as the Invasion of Spain. The Moors never really owned the whole peninsula… Asturias… Read more »

Don17000
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Don17000

Thank you both for the history lesson. The point is, the Temple deniers appear to be more concerned with modern day politics and negotiation than history. We have no disagreement here.

CM Sackett
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CM Sackett

You're confusing Christians with church 'goers'.

That's alright… I did the same thing for too many years.

KenInMontana
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KenInMontana

Thank you Sir and back at ya.

CM Sackett
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CM Sackett

There have actually been 3 temples, ALL built in Jerusalem… 1. The temple that Solomon built, which stood for over 400 years, and was destroyed by the invading Babylonians, in 586 BC.2. The temple, rebuilt (on a lesser-scale and level of 'grandeur'), 70 years later, by returning refugees under the leadership of EZRA… and NEHEMIAH (you can read about this time in the book of EZRA ~especially ch. 2~)3. The temple built by Herod (as a bribe to the Jewish 'religious leaders' to keep the peace… so Rome would be more 'impressed' with Herod's stewardship). This one was the grandest in scale and ornamentation. It was leveled by the general TITUS (Quinctius Flamininus), as Ken noted so truly, in 70AD. NOTE: During the centuries the Muslims controlled Palestine, two mosques were built on the site of the Jewish Temple. (This was no coincidence; it is a common Islamic custom to… Read more »

KenInMontana
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KenInMontana

I would think that Vespasian would have a far better idea of the location of the Temple his son Tiberius destroyed in 70 AD or CE was located,than Arafat. It was in Jerusalem,which Tiberius laid siege to and in the process destroyed the Temple of the Jews,that brought to an end (with the exception of the siege of Masada) the last Jewish Revolt that began in 66 AD/CE.

KenInMontana
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KenInMontana

You should go back and reread my post. I never stated Jefferson was an English Deist merely that the “English” Deist statements were at odds with the definition of Deism. I am pointing out essentially that you cannot paint different views and practices of religion with a broad brush and call it whatever,which is essentially what you are attempting to do. I have even seen Deist sites try to label Washington as a Deist when his own writings state otherwise. As to Paine I have never looked into his beliefs, although I'll get there eventually.

KenInMontana
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You seemed to have overlooked a few “minor” details,in your attempt to “educate” us. So here is a little counter-point,711 AD The Invasion of Spain by Muslim forces.732 AD The Battle of Tours,France where Charles Martel defeated and turned back the Muslim Invaders.711-1492 AD The Reconquista of Spain.1095-1291 AD The Crusades,all seven of them.1342-1683 AD Ottoman (Muslim) Invasion of Europe. You could technically extend the end date to 1918 when the Ottoman Empire was dissolved at the end of WW1.The 1683 date is the Siege of Vienna,when the Invasion of Europe was turned back.The Peace of Westphalia in 1648 marked the end of the Thirty Years War and settled the matter of the Reformation.As to the Inquistion, there are actually four, The Medieval,which led to the Protestant Reformation, The Spanish and Portuguese,1478 and 1536 respectively and finally the Roman in 1542,the later three were limited to their respective nations, the… Read more »

CM Sackett
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CM Sackett

“Actually, though they have to go into the dark to do it, those who need it done also have to go into the dark the get the service. This puts far MORE women in danger.” NOTE ESPECIALLY… “…those who (NEED) it done…” You suppose a “need” where NONE ever exists. “But, OH!” you say, “You forget the instances where a mother's life may be at stake”. …no. But being a parent, I can tell you ~ there is NEVER a time (EVER) when I would choose MY “life”, over the breathing, living, laughing, crying, struggling, succeeding, failing, learning, growing LIFE… of one of my children. EVER. And should I ever choose such… I should be shot in the head before I could utter such a gutless, foul word. EVERY HUMAN BEING WANTS TO “LIVE”. Parents want their children to… MORE. And then there is this little 'gem' from you ~… Read more »

Don17000
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“…we don't even want to 'conquer' the world.” Ever hear of PNAC? Project for a New American Century. They don't control the WH and Congress any more, but I think they haven't gone away. They were still active when Clinton was in the WH. As for, “…But the world better get the HELL back out of our face, ..” They could argue it's us who is in the world's face. Try Googling Operation Ajax. [That's a 1953 operation where Ike experimented by allowing Norman Schwartzkopf (Stormin' Norman's father) and Kermit Roosevelt (Theodore's CIA grandson) to pull a coup in Iran, deposing their duly elected PM Mossadegh and reinstalling the Shah Reza Pahlavi, who began a brutally suppressive reign. The reason was oil. Mossadegh was going to nationalize Iran's oil industry,which would have been bad for the AIOC – Anglo Iranian Oil Corporation – which is now known as BP. Ike… Read more »

Don17000
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Don17000

“Outlawing rape forces the gutless maggots that perpetrate it into the dark to do it… where THANKFULLY, far FAR fewer women are in danger.” Actually, though they have to go into the dark to do it, those who need it done also have to go into the dark the get the service. This puts far MORE women in danger. “Back alleys and filthy, dark places is where those who do such things belong.” Surely, they should be in the light, where they can be seen and it can be sure that the medical procedure (that's what it is, after all) is done properly,and only by those who know how.————As for waterboarding.. it doesn't prevent anything. There's no way it can. Give me the direst of circumstances, where it appears to be the only option when a bomb is known to be in place somewhere and time is ticking away… and… Read more »

Don17000
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Don17000

This appears to be a political position of Yasser Arafat's, who tried to say that the Tempe was actually in Nablus, a city founded by Vespasian c. 72 CE.

I'm not sure if anyone adhered to it prior to 2000, and it appears to be utter nonsense… but may have been offered as a counter to the longstanding Israeli claim that there's no such thing as a “Palestinian people” and that they don't really exist, hence their claims don't, either.

Don17000
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I very much doubt his views resonated with all English Deists. They are not a monolithic bunch. Further, he was born nearly 100 years before Jefferson was born. While Jefferson was no doubt familiar with Herbert's writings, I'm not sure he agreed with them, or indeed if any English Deist in Jefferson's day did. Thomas Paine identified himself as a Deist, but I don't think he agreed with all of these 5.

KenInMontana
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KenInMontana

It was your reply to Don17000 “I know, and Thomas Jefferson was most likely an Atheist, but those points do not resonate at all with this crowd.” to which that was in response to. Actually I think Jefferson would have issue with quite a few things in this country nowadays.

KenInMontana
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KenInMontana

Muslims today have repeatedly denied the existence of the Jewish Temple upon the Temple Mount in order,most likely, to further their claim on the Mount. However, this appears to be a lie, I submit for consideration this excerpt from the writings of Muḥammad ibn Isḥaq ibn Yasār who published the earliest written account of the Prophet Muhammad's life known as the Sirat Rasul Allah.
He writes of the “Night Ride of Muhammad”,Ishaq 182:” When we arrived at the Temple in Jerusalem,we found Abraham,Moses,and Jesus,along with a company of prophets.I acted as their Iman in prayer.” Given the approximate date of the “Night Ride” of 620 AD, and the accepted date of the construction of the Dome of The Rock at 689-691 AD,seems to invalidate the Muslim statement that the Jewish Temple did not exist. Something to think about.

KenInMontana
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KenInMontana

If Jefferson was a Deist,those who believe that God created the Universe,then abandoned it, why even go through the efforts to bring up the teachings of Jesus,especially given the teachings that God cares about his creations. The writings of Lord Herbert of Cherbury who wrote “De Veritate” in which he lists five Articles of English “Deists”; 1. Belief in the existence of a single supreme God 2. Humanity's duty to revere God 3. Linkage of worship with practical morality 4. God will forgive us if we repent and abandon our sins 5. Good works will be rewarded (and punishment for evil) both in life and after deathThese five “Articles” fly in the face of the very premise of Deism,that God abandoned his creation. It would in fact suggest that the English “Deists” only appropriated the name to thumb their noses at the Church of England and nothing more. The very… Read more »

dmk2113
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I don't actually recall saying that he was an Atheist – or, for that matter, a deist (although if he were alive today I have no doubt he would be; science has come quite a ways since then – but that's a personal opinion and not one that we need to dispute, since it can't be proven either way). And I am quite familiar with the Jefferson Bible. I also believe that he took out any reference to divinity of Jesus and laid out the basic moral foundations in the New Testament. I think that the Jefferson Bible is a perfectly good treatise on morality.

I think, however, that we can both agree that Jefferson would not be happy to see that his beloved Virginia has become home to places like Liberty University.

KenInMontana
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KenInMontana

First of all,had you really read the second quote, in which he proclaims himself “I am a Christian, in the only sense in which he wished any one to be; sincerely attached to his doctrines, in preference to all others;” however Jefferson was ardently in opposition to most organized religions and the fact he was raised as an Anglican reinforced this view. He was particularly opposed to the Orthodox Branch followed by the Church of Rome (Catholicism),a typically Protestant based view in relation to restricting accessibility to God by the clergy of these faiths.That is not to say he was all that enthusiastic about the Protestant church either, he seemed from his works to favor an individual relationship with God.Perhaps you are familiar with his work finished in 1820 entitled ” Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth”, later published by Congress. Jefferson was by no means shy about pointing… Read more »

Hardsell
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Hardsell

Uh…..ok.

Don17000
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Don17000

But instead of killing each other, now they just publish different versions of the Bible, and call the other versions flawed… inaccurate… untrue.

Taken together, this means all of them are flawed… inaccurate… untrue.

Don17000
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Don17000

“According to scholars, God is referenced in the Bible over 4000 times. I could offer that as proof of God's existence. “

God exists, but so does everything imaginable, everywhere. Including the Tooth Fairy. They all exist, in that if they are referenced, it can be known what is being referred to, even if it's only an imaginary concept, like the Tooth Fairy. The question is, is God real, or imaginary?

I'm sure Gene Roddenberry made at least as many references to Starfleet in his writings, as have all the other Star Trek authors . It proves nothing about whether Starfleet is real or imaginary. And the Bible similarly can't prove whether God is real or imaginary, no matter how many times He's referred to.

Don17000
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Don17000

In fact, it sounds exactly like a Deist. Even the reference to Jesus carefully avoids any reference to Jesus as begotten son of God, and goes so far as to say that Jesus himself wanted people attached to what the principles he taught about how to live with regard to life and God, rather than the stuff others taught about Jesus.

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ascribing to himself every human excellence “Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity. “ “The whole history of these books [the Gospels] is so defective and doubtful that it seems vain to attempt minute enquiry into it: and such tricks have been played with their text, and with the texts of other books relating to them, that we have a right, from that cause, to entertain much doubt what parts of them are genuine. In the New Testament there is internal evidence that parts of it have proceeded from an extraordinary man; and that other parts are of the fabric of very inferior minds. It is as easy to separate those parts, as to pick out diamonds from dunghills.” “Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the… Read more »

CM Sackett
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CM Sackett

“Outlawing abortion, on the other hand, forces women into back-alley abortions where potentially everyone is in danger….” Now THAT 'logic' is a bit less than 'brilliant'. Outlawing rape forces the gutless maggots that perpetrate it into the dark to do it… where THANKFULLY, far FAR fewer women are in danger. Back alleys and filthy, dark places is where those who do such things belong. _____________________________________________ “I understand your point of view, but the term “babies” is what causes the rift. Not everybody considers an embryo to be a baby, Until very recently, however, everyone considered waterboarding to be torture.” “Everyone”? Really, Danny? It does begin to make a bit more sense, overall. If people can't tell when a human being is a human… BEING, no wonder they think thumping murderous curr dogs around, to keep them/their pack from murdering again… 'unfair', or 'torturous'. Seriously skewed reality, of a necessity begets… Read more »

CM Sackett
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CM Sackett

“Back in the days before the Reformation, Christians believed their bible was the inspired word of God…”

Christians… still do.

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