JUST IN: Senate Republicans trying to make a DEAL with Trump on the National Emergency

Senate Republicans reportedly don’t want to send the national emergency resolution to Trump’s desk, so they are trying to work out a deal with Trump so that they can support it.

Here’s the low down:

POLITICO – Senate Republicans are trying to head off a collision with President Donald Trump over the border wall this week, even as his new budget demands ensure the painful political battle will extend into the fall.

Some GOP senators are discussing a potential compromise with the White House in order to limit Republican defections on a vote this week to overturn Trump’s emergency declaration, according to GOP senators and aides. The matter was unresolved as of Monday evening, senators said, but the discussions underscore the reluctance of the GOP to fight with the president on the Senate floor.

Republican senators queasy about the legality and precedent of Trump’s unilateral move to fund his wall are exploring whether the president will commit to signing a bill amending the National Emergency Act and curtailing presidential power. In exchange, they would consider standing with the president and potentially vote against the House-passed disapproval measure.

Four Republicans have already signaled they would vote with Democrats: Tillis, Paul, Collins and Murkowski.

However both Tillis and Mike Lee, who is still undecided, are among the senators in negotiations with Trump:

“If there’s a chance to make progress on the National Emergency Act, which I think has been revealed to be problematic, then that would certainly be something I would consider,” said Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.).

Two GOP senators, Mike Lee of Utah and Thom Tillis of North Carolina, discussed the potential changes to the law with the White House over the weekend. Tillis opposes Trump’s national emergency declaration and Lee is undecided on how he will vote. Roughly a dozen GOP senators are weighing whether to vote against the White House.

“There’s a lot of different discussions going on and really I thought the White House has been great in speaking with a number of members, me just one of them,” Tillis said. He said they were discussing how to balance the president’s “individual power” and Congress’ role.

Lee has pitched a proposal requiring Congress to approve any emergency declaration after 30 days, though the White House wants that period to be significantly extended.



Another possibility is Trump agreeing to change the law in the future to prevent abuse of the law in the future:

It’s unclear whether the last-minute negotiations will work. Changing the law would require 60 votes in the Senate and buy-in from House Democratic leaders, in addition to Trump’s signature. And it may not be able to prevent the disapproval measure from reaching the president’s desk given deep-seated disagreement some GOP senators have with Trump’s use of the emergency powers.

One senator familiar with the talks said, “We may be getting to a point where the president will give an assurance” to senators on changing the law to avoid future end-runs around Congress. But no final decision has been made and winning over Democrats angry with Trump’s emergency declaration will likely be difficult.

“There was some conversation about it … it’s probably going to be a pretty tough sell. No president wants to constrain their power, but I hope we have a good conversation about it,” said Sen. John Cornyn (R-Texas). “Anything like that would be purely prospective, so I think we’re going to deal with the current declaration on its own terms.”

The one Senator I still haven’t heard from on this is Ted Cruz. Last we reported he was still investigating whether the law was constitutional before he voiced his support for it. So I don’t know if he’s a part of these negotiations or not.

Since they are actively negotiating with the White House, I expect they’ll probably come to a place where enough of them can support it without it going to Trump’s desk.

Of course Trump doesn’t want to have to veto it either, as that would establish a rebuke by at least some Republicans.

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K-Bob
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I’m starting to wonder about what I’m seeing here. Folks need to think beyond, “Gosh, that’s a lot of power.” Nevermind that it’s a freaking border barrier, and not an actual policy change. It’s not a “lot of power” being “usurped,” or whatever fever dream has taken over. Clue: Congress was not designed to deal with emergencies. It’s why their one obvious emergency power is to declare war. Logic fact: The Constitution relies on logic to understand most of our laws. And most of our laws are logically consistent, and thereby recognized as constitutional. One foundational fact of logic is this: one cannot comply with the mandated, Article II duty to defend this nation if one is disallowed from recognizing and taking action in emergencies. No amount of loaded questions about potential abuse, or tap dancing about words present in the Constitution will ever breach that foundational fact of logic.… Read more »

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Mitch McConnell can settle the issue by refusing to pass anything that he knows the president will veto.
If he has the votes to override a veto then do it and since over 90% of Republicans are Trump supporters let them answer to their constituents next year.
The law passed in 1976 did not specify that all presidents EXCEPT Trump were allowed to use it.
There should be no problem.

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Republicans didn’t fund the wall when they had all the power, now they want to come up with options. I personally don’t want the national emergency declaration (even though it IS absolutely a national emergency) but this is all beyond ridiculous at this point. We are dealing with large numbers of problems along our southern border and yet these politicians want to play patty-cake politics. And Trump has pressed them pretty hard lately and made many of the right points but they all want to be Aholes. I don’t know what the answer is here… I’d personally like to see all of D.C. cleared out and for us to start over. And I don’t care if Cruz, Lee or other decent senators vote against it (for the right reasons – if there are any); what ticks me off is Collins and Murkowski ALWAYS being reliable democratic votes (for the wrong… Read more »

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I will consider supporting the Senate Rs standing up to the President as soon as they get the activist Courts under control. Should happen anytime now…..

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When even the New York Times is saying there is a crisis of the border being overrun, there’s no further need to discuss it. People making the argument that a future president could argue that gun violence is a national emergency and repeal the 2nd amendment don’t get it. Aside from not having the numbers for that, they couldn’t realistically enforce it. But lets say they do, senators and congressmen would essentially be putting targets on their backs for retribution. They’d have court battles to get through as well as local municipalities who would refuse to enforce it. However, not stopping the influx of illegals will give them the numbers to do something like this. Stopping the influx is first, repealing the Hart Cellar act should be second. We need to go back to quotas on immigrants from specific countries. This map alone should have you sh*tting your pants. http://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/7/2015/09/PH_2015-09-28_immigration-through-2065-55.png… Read more »

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Didn’t Mitch McConnell promise to support the Emergency if Trump signed the budget to re-open the government? Where’s Mitch now?

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Why does the party that at least professes to have conservative principles have to be run by Casper Milquetoast, spineless, two faced, hypocrites? When Crooked Hilusein Barillary Opopo invoked this power and spent billions on the destruction of Lybia for no other reason than animosity Killerary felt towards Khadaffi and Barry’s need to justify his “Nobel Peace Prize” by killing a lot of people he didn’t know and who had done him no harm, did this trembling bunch of windy weeping willows show any concern about it’s constitutionality? Not that anyone heard of. When other presidents declared a national emergency and appropriated tax dollars for THEIR pet projects, did these fearless foreskins exhibit any doubts about it’s legality? NEVER. But the instant a conservative (mostly anyway) president grows a little hair on his chest, they are suddenly stricken with deep, dubious, and dark doubts. Why can’t at least one of… Read more »

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If the Senate had a leader who is ALL about what’s best for America and the rinos grow a spine we wouldn’t still be stuck in nothing getting done about the invaders. It’s not rocket science in protecting Americas borders.

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Republican Senators have a very easy vote this week. It is about Border Security and the Wall (stopping Crime, Drugs etc.), not Constitutionality and Precedent. It is an 80% positive issue. The Dems are 100% United, as usual, on a 20% issue, Open Borders and Crime. Get tough R’s!

8:27 AM – 11 Mar 2019

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My confusion over knowing that girls have penises is in lock step with my confusion over Collins and Murkowski being called republicans.

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The Right ScoopThe Right Scoop Thanks for putting the back to the top thingy at the bottom of the page.

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OT but LMAO

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Wait….!

Senator Mike Lee I respectfully disagree with you on this and here’s why…

You put the ball in President Trump’s court because the republican congress refused to act on the funding of the border wall. The republican’s silence on funding the border wall was deafening. So now when you punt the ball over to President Trump and he acts on a campaign promise the republican pitch forks get sharpened to try and kill the national emergency to build the border wall.

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In other words Trump is making some serious threats when he calls his peeps.

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It’s gotten to the point where I’m now confident even Obama would have done more to stop the flow, as he eventually did in 2014, just from the embarrassment to his admin. I just don’t understand what this admin is doing.

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Dr. Strangelove
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It seems that Tromp is getting more resistance from the Republicans than 0 did.

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I don’t get why this president cannot declare an emergency when previous presidents have used this measure. Yes, they hate Trump but they are forgetting we the people.

Dr. Strangelove
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Because of the constitution?

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Why were the other presidents allowed to declare emergency then? Please explain about the constitutionality.

Tracy
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Texas Chris below explains it, its about the money.

Dr. Strangelove
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How can Tromp constitutionally declare an emergency because Congress won’t give him money for his wall?

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The same way Obama instituted DACA. He said that since Congress would not act, he had to. Trump tried to get Congress to act for two years, but they wouldn’t. Consequently, just as Obama was “forced” to invent Daca, which I didn’y hear you trembling over, Trump has been “forced” to issue a declaration of National Emergency.
Obama found it necessary to modify the implementation of Obamacare because Congress wouldn’t do what he wanted. Obama even expended unappropriated money to finance his changes. Did you wail about that very clearcut violation of the Constitution like you are shaking in your bunny slippers over this use of powers granted to the President by Congress? Dry your weepy eyes and suck it up. It is legal.

Dr. Strangelove
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Apparently, you don’t understand the very basic concept of a rhetorical question. Here’s another one: Why don’t you bite my shorts?

K-Bob
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He can. It’s literally his job.

Dr. Strangelove
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Why wasn’t there this much contention when 0 ran roughshod over the constitution?

Tracy
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I don’t remember some of these names standing up then, but then it was racist to criticize Obama.

Dr. Strangelove
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That’s right, he had the righteous shield of blackness.

Conserve 58
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I can understand and appreciate why the republicans are taking this stance. However, the fact remains, Trump would not have been put in this position if the exclamation GOP RINOS didn’t stab him and us in the back, AGAIN, by not providing the necessary funding when they had control of the House and Senate.

Tracy
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Yeah, stab him in the back about this then act like they are constitutionalists all of a sudden to try to stop him from doing what they didn’t want him to do in the first place. Hypocrits.

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thumbsup x 1000!

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If the invasion of our country is not a national emergency, I don’t know what is.

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While I agree, it does not follow constitutionally that the president can unilaterally “fund” a thing by declaring a national emergency. Yeah, sure, move some money around, no big deal, but to Pen & Phone it? No, unconstitutional, and Trump should know better.

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What’s the President to do with a do nothing Congress, let the invasion continue?

Texas Chris
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Yes.

Tracy
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So our constitution IS a suicide pact.

Texas Chris
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Noooo, I fully support secession. In fact, I believe it is the last best hope to save the rest of the union.

If only a couple of states from either the right OR the left would secede, the rest of the states would immediately correct course.

Say, if #Texit, then the US would immediately have to cut spending, downsize DC, slough off power back to the states, or risk bankruptcy and more states seceding, maybe even total collapse.

If NY, Cali, IL, or any combination thereof left, the US would flip red and, again, cut spending, lay off government, close departments.

Win/win, either way.

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Ah now you are speaking my language.

Our Republic is done, time for the states to make their own way.

#Texit sounds good.

Texas Chris
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Except for Austin. I don’t trust Austin any more than I trust DC.

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Agreed, it’s a cesspool

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Mark Levin, a constitutional expert, cited the constitution, specifically giving the president the legal right to do what he wants to do. If you’re interested in listening to it, the podcast was 02/26/19 and you can listen to it whenever you have the time. The president is not in the wrong.

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The fact that the president went to congress first for the funding puts the lie to the story. Congress controls the money. Trump wiggles +/-$8 billion this time, but don’t think for a second congress will leave him discretionary funds next time.

When the president changes the designation of funds without congressional approval, he is in direct contravention of the constitution.

Whether you or I agree with the use of funds is irrelevant. Trump cannot constitutionally Pen & Phone his will any more than Obama could.

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You are so wrong. Follow the bouncing ball TC. The funds that Trump will use for the National Emergency are already Congress appropriated funds sitting around in agencies not being used. So stop with the Congress appropriates the funds not the president. The funds were appropriated by Congress which explains why these agencies have them to begin with. So stop with the pen and phone comparison. Now on the second note Congress passed a law in 1976. Are you still there? This law passed by the same Congress that appropriated the funds to federal agencies that are not being used gave the president the authority to use these Congress appropriated unused funds for national emergencies that in the 1976 law passed by the Congress that appropriated the unused funds said the president gets to determine what is a national emergency.

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There’s YUGE a difference between legal and constitutional. Only congress may appropriate and designate funds. No mere law can override the constitution, only an amendment, therefore congress cannot delegate that power to the president. Delegation is not a constitutional power. Now, Trump went to congress to get the funding, and they said no. He cannot, logically, constitutionally, then declare a national emergency and assume a congressional power to redirect funds to circumvent congress. Yes, there’s a law, 1976, national security, invasion, the sky is falling, Mark ‘Chicken Little’ Levin says whatever, I get all that. But if you are going to claim the mantle of constitutional conservative, you then cannot logically support the subornation of that document by a mere act of congress. Not for any reason. Neither can you complain when the next Progressive sits in the Oval Office and declares from on high that your guns are a… Read more »

cleaner
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You are wrong. You have the opportunity to educate yourself if you listen to the podcast I mentioned. But it seems that you just want to continue with this falsehood that he’s pulling an Obama. It’s just not true.

Dr. Strangelove
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From what I’ve read, the money is there, he just needs to shift it around.

Texas Chris
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Which is fine if the funds are discretionary. If they are, there’s no need for a declaration of emergency. Just move the funds, build the wall, done.

But declaring a DoE and moving earmarked funds is clearly unconstitutional, was so when Obama did it, and is so now. It also adds the danger of President Bernie doing a DoE and trying to confiscate guns, or limit carbon emission, or confiscating pudding.

Dr. Strangelove
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Not… PUDDING! Yeah, I think that the lack of cooperation has bruised his ego, hence the emergency.

Kram Nivel
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What Trump is doing is Constitutional. Obama created and ignored the law. Trump is following the law.

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Trump’s emergency declaration is fully constitutional. I explain it above.

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He isn’t doing any such thing.

He’s using discretionary money that is actually for national defense.

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The wall is National defense!

Texas Chris
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Then there’s no need for a DoE.

Dr. Strangelove
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@texaschris Energy or Education? Never mind, we could be rid of both.

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Where was all the indignation when Obama was signing his executive orders and giving $150 billion to Iran in in marked bills in the middle of the night?

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K900BK: and 13 National Emergencies

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That’s an excellent point, but not one that justifies unconstitutional acts by future presidents.

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Not one of them said a word when Hussein sent those pallets of cash to Iran, because they knew it was being returned to those that demanded their money back when HRC lost the election. Not all of them have the option of loading up all of that American taxpayers cash to repay their masters. For two years they begged the President to sign their despicable funding plans with the promise of adequate Border and National Security funds in the next spending bill. Gave the Dems everything they could of ever wished for, and even threw in funding for Border Walls and Security for countries in the Middle East. Needless to say they never kept their word and now we have a full blown Humanitarian Crisis at our southern border. We would be fools to think to think they”re even capable of keeping their word . If they ever planned… Read more »

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Tromp isn’t declaring the national emergency in the middle of the night under secrecy.

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Senator Ted Cruz has said more than once that he supports using the funds from El Chapo for the wall. I don’t know why more people aren’t supporting this.

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AvatarTeri Smith Because it’s Cruz’ idea and because the GOP are jackasses and could care a less. GOP is completely out of touch with its own base of voters but support their big business donors. They lie to us constantly to get elected. Once in, their base means nothing to them. That’s why.

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I actually think Cruz took up the cause but the idea came from a Representative.

It is a good idea.

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The funds would be used from El Chapo IF they could locate them.

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KMA GOP

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Trump better not cave in this ridiculous manuver. They want to curtail Trumps power, while giving it to a liberal president. Just veto the bill and be done with it!!!!! GOP you are just cowards!

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The Republicans for the most part are cowards. The Democrooks at least take action for what they perceive as wrong. Why are the courts not full with Hillary, Huma Abedin, Susan Rice, Page, Strozk, etc.??

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“so they can support it”,what a silly comment by Mike.Is it that hard for these RINOS to support the President on National Emergency issues.Mr. President,go ahead and veto what ever bill these RINOS are proposing

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Republicans don’t want a border wall but border wall talking points, they had control of both houses yet did nothing, how can the Republican party survive when they can’t or refuse to legislate as a majority to represent law abiding Americans against an illegal invasion.

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Avatarmarathon
I’ve stated that exact same sentiment on here numerous times, but it’s always “Republicans are great & ALL IN for the Wall & Dems are evil”. To be fair, Dems are evil & God forbid the day they get back in power. Those who refuse to see the Republicans for who they really are & who they represent (certainly not their constituents) are simply ignoring reality.

They had 2 years. What meaningful legislation did they pass?They are “supposed” to work for the people who elected them, not big business lobbyists.

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So, you’ve tried to educate this site’s commenters on the evils of
RINOs and their fickle, un-conservative ways but to no avail?

Really? Interesting.

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NYGinoNYGino
Come on NYG, I didn’t say one thing about Rinos. Everyone here knows who those individuals are.

My comment was “Republicans”. IF they were representing “you” & what they ran on, we’d have a lot more barrier funding, might even have some common sense immigration laws, defunded Sanctuary Cities, etc

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I’m always up for a little edjumakation.

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They take money from Open Borders donners. That’s who they are afraid of, not the American Voters. American Voters have no power.

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Yup, exactly as I stated, Lobbyists

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Talking points is all RINO’s have. Notice how the Obamacare repeal is never mentioned? They just play along with the next ginned up crisis. Until election time…

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Yes, good point about the ginned up crisis – like in the times of Rome. Bread and circuses. The donkeycrats are by far worse. And the border is one of the greatest crisis our country has faced in a good long while. We’re being sucked down a slow moving drain as a country.

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Republicans once elected don’t do much of anything. Of course there are exceptions like Devin Nunes, Jim Jordan, Tim Scott, to name a few.

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Marathon: Yes, like talking about a delicious cake but never baking it. Thanks for the input.

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The republican party is and has been divided and thus compromised because of the existence of the establishment GOP RINOS. The democrat party doesn’t have DINOS.

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You are right about the Dems. They are united in their evil intentions.

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The GOPe was in control of both houses of Congress for 2 years and until “now” they want to do something about immigration by… stopping President Trump’s CONSTITUTIONAL prerogative, protect US borders!!!???

The Koch brothers have all these checkered-pant Republicans by the ****s; bunch of rats all of them, including Ted Cruz. Where’s Ted?

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C.Excogitatoris: This is so frustrating.

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IF Republicans truly felt this was an emergency, would we even be discussing any of this?

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Avatarsam perhaps they’re thinking if trump has this power and he does! Then they need to reign it in before the next POTUS is elected maybe a democrat in the future. But surely none of the idiot’s running as of now. God forbid.

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AFVet4AmericaAFVet4America
I actually agree with taking that type of power away from any President. We survived prior to its implementation & we’ll survive after.
With the hatred, accusations, lies, innuendos, etc that have divided our country, I don’t want any President (especially a Dem) having that power without the Senate having a say.

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SALT LAKE CITY — Sen. Mike Lee says it appears President Donald Trump acted within the law when he declared a national emergency at the southern border Friday.

“My initial assessment is that what President Trump announced is legal,” the Utah Republican said. “Whether or not it should be legal is a different matter.”

Lee has long sought to return power to Congress that he believes the executive branch has wrongly taken from lawmakers.

“Congress has been ceding far too much power to the executive branch for decades,” he said. “We should use this moment as an opportunity to start taking that power back.”
That’s been Lee’s problem with this from the beginning. But he agrees it is legal. So IMO should vote in trumps direction on it. https://www.deseretnews.com/article/900055990/trump-emergency-declaration-legal-utah-sen-mike-lee.html

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It’s congresses fault for giving the power to the executive branch. They just don’t want to do their job and blame the president for doing what they should have done.

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Avatarfriskycat
It’s called…Passing the buck..
a required “skill” in order to join congress.

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That implies that every Executive decision must be framed and decided upon along political lines If there is a real need, legal
underpinnings, a President with the resolve to do what is right
for our country and not the party, there should be no question
about acting now.

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The Hill counts no fewer than ten Senate Republicans (Susan Collins, Lisa Murkowski, Thom Tillis, Lamar Alexander, Cory Gardner, Marco Rubio, Mitt Romney, Mike Lee, Jerry Moran, and Rand Paul) who have given enough indications that they disagree with Trump’s action to make them likely candidates for votes in favor of a disapproval resolution.
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/02/congressional-disapproval-of-trump-emergency-a-possibility.html

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I think we are all now seeing why Mike Lee was never included on Trump’s short list of SC nominees. He has truly been wishy washy on policy/bills during the Trump admin. Mike Lee was a very early supporter of the “prison break” reform bill along with his Democrat collegues.

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Lee wanted Cruz for president. That’s why he’s being as a……..ss!

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It’s being reported 180,00 illegals to overrun our borders by May

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BurnToastBurnToast 76 thousand apprendened last month wasn’t it? That’s a National emergency IMO.

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Border Patrol needs all the help they can get

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BurnToastBurnToast Amen to that!

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AFVet4AmericaAFVet4America
66,000 between ports of entry

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burnt – Eh, what’s another 180K give or take when we have 20 million already…

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Some of the 20 mil will get a taste of their own medicine.

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But the demoncraps want to give them the right to vote. exclamation

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DemocratsRFubarDemocratsRFubar Texas estimates the number to be closer to 35 million.

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Would not surprise me in the least. How can we ever know when so many have waltzed across the border and had children as well.

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DemocratsRFubarDemocratsRFubar and brought their “chain” later.

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Sen Lee said from the beginning that even though he believed it legal he wasn’t sure it should be.

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This whole thing about border control has been bogus from the beginning. Democrats don’t want it because they’re building a new base with illegal alien invaders. Republicans don’t want it because it’ll upset their masters, the Chamber of Commerce, that is looking for cheap labor. It never stood a chance from the get-go. The country is in a state of national emergency on several issues, and the jackwads in D.C. couldn’t care less. All they’re concerned with is their power over the American people. Damn them all to Hell!

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This is the slowest national emergency in American History. Memo to Donald “Molasses” Trump: quit clowning around and start using the military funds to BUILD THE DANG WALL ALREADY! By the way, this is all meaningless rhetoric by Mike Lee since two thirds of the Senate is needed to override a National Emergency Declaration.

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What a major disappointment has Cruz become. I’m not surprised about Lee squirming. Too many goody two shoes in the RINO party.

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Yea, I know many here won’t support any trashing of Ted Cruz. In this particular legislation, he should have come out strongly against the usurping of presidential powers that are already passed law, by the very same Congress that Cruz is a part of. Cruz knows dang well that if the Dems regain power in the House, Senate and Presidency, they will ignore the Constitution, and procedure with their every last breath. It is disappointing. Has Beto scared him that badly?

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I have been picking up on some traits of his I don’t like. Once upon a time I was a big fan. Just don’t think I would get excited to see him run for president again. Levin keeps referring to friends of his in the Senate who are wrestling with this issue of national emergency and he seems disgusted about it. Wouldn’t be surprised if Cruz is one of them. Disappoints me also. These virtuous types are frustrating as can be.

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So there really is something in the water in DC. You can resist drinking it for a time when you first arrive there, but eventually they find a way to strap you down and make you drink it, or else. I think it’s called McConnellitis.

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I’m on the fence on this one, but Democrats have finally taken the mask off, and there’s a reason a disproportionate number of young men are crossing our border, and any logical thinking person can deduce the timing surely isn’t a coincidence. However, don’t bring this to the attention of the GOP establishment, and the elites who profit off of open borders, because they believe they’re insulated from the real world consequences.

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Kram NivelKram Nivel I’ve been saying for quite some time now that Cruz is putting on his GOPe pants. As a Texan who worked on all 3 of his federal campaigns, I can tell you I’m disappointed in him. He’s working too hard to be liked by those dastardly Republican Senators.

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Can you blame him? Its pretty laughable watching people give Cruz crap after the crap show the base became during the primary. I’ve never seen the right behave so rabid until Trump ran and then anyone that wasn’t kneeling before him was trashed. Cruz along with the other candidates were savaged by the right the entire primary, their records were outright lied about, and their integrity / personal lives were belittled at every turn at the alter of Trump. The GOP barely moved to help him win Texas. Excuse me while I raise my fist in fake outrage because anyone dares to not tow the line for President Trump. I hate to say it but the reality is that a large portion of the Republican base has destroyed our chances of ever seeing a principled candidate taking the stage again on the right. Why would you? To be savaged when… Read more »

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Idahofunk Get over yourself and the 2016 primary. Don’t lecture me about Cruz. I worked for the man as a paid staffer on all 3 of his campaigns and I know him personally. I support him but he’s not the same fighter Texas sent to the Senate. DC does that to people. We (Texans) were the first to recognize the problems in DC and sent a fighter. I don’t blame the base of the party for wanting a fighter for President. Bannon played a huge part in Cruz’ defeat too by turning Breitbart against him, using Bannon lies. The GOP lies to get elected. Once elected, dumps their base and bows to their DonorGods. Standing on “principles” isn’t going to ward off socialism/communism. We need fighters not milquetoast BS principles. Because the commies sure are going to fight and destroy this country. I hope your kind never gets back into… Read more »

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Nothing to worry about there bud. Unprincipled “fighters” is what you will have for whats left of our Republic and we can enjoy being a party that fights for nothing.

As I said.. You don’t have to worry about me lining up to represent people that will stab me in the back as soon as its convenient.

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It is not about you. It’s about those like you (as I said) that go along to get a long. Never Trumpers think they’re the only principled human beings. They’re not. We’re willing to overlook certain transgressions because of one’s love of country. Trump’s base of support comes from Liberty loving people who want to protect this country from the other side (socialists/communists) who want to turn it inside out and establish a country that MY COUNTRY has never been. Those who think like you will never rise to power again because you have been a huge part of putting this country in danger. Take your negativity somewhere else because there’s one thing that unites the regulars on this sight and that is their love of liberty, something you don’t care about because you’re butthurt. Get your priorities and principles straight because you on the cliff about to lose them… Read more »

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You don’t know me from a hole in the wall but you seem to have it all figured out. I can promise you I’ve got more small government conservative blood in my body then you could hope to. I’m a home schooling father of 6 kids and I work like a dog to keep my family fed. I moved across the country to get away from the blue hell hole that Donald Trump hails from at a detriment to my prosperity. You can defend it all you want but you are twisting what I said and it just shows your blind loyalty to party first. I don’t ever go along to get along, but again…. you have me all figured out… I just don’t throw everyone under the bus because they don’t fall in line. Fact of the matter is that a large segment of Republican voters weren’t satisfied voting… Read more »

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Talk about someone who knows not who they are talking to… it would be you. My grandfather taught me to vote for what’s best for the country and not what’s best for my own personal interests. He was Chief Justice of the Texas Supreme Court. I’m an elected TXGOP precinct chair. I’m a former Dallas police officer who was on duty on July 7, 2016. I happened to be posting on this site when I got the all hands on deck call to report to duty (massacre) in downtown Dallas. My best friend was murdered that night. I retired shortly after because the Obama had left a target on my back using his race-baiting policies. My political roots and activism run deep in Texas. How have you served your community or state? I’m now a law student where they don’t teach the Constitution. NOT ONE MENTION OF IT in any… Read more »

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Wow….yet again you keyboard warrior without a clue. You and I would probably be good friends in life and we probably see eye to eye on 90% of things. The problem is you can’t differentiate friend or foe through text and have literally summed up my character without ever having met me. You presume I’m new to the site because you see no history but I’ve been a user / member as far back as I can remember. I simply don’t comment often. You have literally fabricated an entire narrative about what I believe and it has zero basis in what I wrote. 1) I never attacked Trump. You are so hot to defend him (which is a result of the rabid leftists constant attacks on him since he took office) that you took my indication of not being an early supporter, and have now labeled me a never Trumper… Read more »

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OK. 1. I’m tired of anyone who claims to be conservative bashing Trump. It has harmed this country and plunged it into chaos. Frankly, there’s no way Cruz could have shattered the Blue Wall. Believe it or not, I want real conservatives (not the NeoCon Krystol/Goldberg/French types or the GOPe types) to get it together. We need to stand with this man. Our country is on the line. That’s the way I see it. If I have a criticism of Trump, I don’t express it because I think it’s harmful. That’s how I think about this. The political environment is rabid on all sides of every spectrum, right now. 2. I think it’s a form voter suppression that NY makes people register for an ideology or a party. If I understand that correctly, you are forced to vote solely for a conservative on a ticket and can’t even vote GOP?… Read more »

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5 was in reference to the people I saw attacking candidates that weren’t Trump during the primary. I had friends in Texas that were doing the same thing as people in NY. I’m not blaming the Republican base for the vitriol at all. What I’m getting at is that in RESPONSE to the left’s vitriol we have seceded the moral, and intellectual high ground that I have always believed the right had, in our desire to fight the left. I know the left is rabid. I know the left doesn’t respect the rule of law. I know the left is in most cases embracing evil. I know the left seeks to destroy our nation through their ideas. My point is if we respond in kind then what are we fighting for? I guess for me I’m pretty disenfranchised with our nation and the right of which I’ve been a part… Read more »

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Kram NivelKram Nivel
If that is the case, We, the People are “joined to another object, by an incline plane,wrapped helically around an axis!”.

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Screwed

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Cruz has changed after the brutal primary, he realized that he can’t just be the fire bomber. He has not been leading the charge as much as I hoped he would, I thought maybe he was laying low until the reelection but that was months ago. Time for him to step up again.

And he has built his entire political career as a constitutionalist, he has to think this through and not throw away his entire life over this one act.

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These same Republicans were quiet as slugs when Obama was committing one impeachable after the next. Vile creatures.

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The very same R’s never said a peep against Obama, and funded every last dollar, and then some, for every spending inititative the O admin. ever asked for. In some cases they even gave O more money than he even asked for for their agenda.

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Beginning to think that 3/4 repubs are really donkeys.

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DemocratsRFubarDemocratsRFubar UniParty is alive and well.

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So recapping the situation, Trump wants to do something…

  • It’s constitutional.
  • It follows the law.
  • It’s an emergency.
  • It’s what Republicans promised to do.

…but now Republicans want to stop him.

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That was pretty clear when they failed to give him funding & it’s not just 5 or 6 Republicans.

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That’s exactly right. The Republican leadership, Ryan and McConnell have long supported open borders. THE COC, their biggest funders support open borders. The Republican leadership has long been in the pockets of the feckless, open borders R’s who will tow the line in exchange for dollars.

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To be clear, the CofC is not pro-open borders. They’re pro illegal immigration. Open borders would mean it’s legal to come here, get papers, and work. That’s not what the Chamber wants.

The Chamber of Commerce wants it to be illegal for immigrants to come here so that illegal labor will remain cheap.

Conversely, what the Koch Bros. are working toward is actual open borders. Come to a gate, get papers, come in and work legally, pay taxes, all legit, no ID theft or fraud. Totally different system, even if you disagree with it.

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“…commit to signing a bill amending the National Emergency Act and curtailing presidential power. In exchange, they would consider standing with the president and potentially vote against the House-passed disapproval measure.”

“Consider? Potentially vote against?” Do they think they are dealing with a fool? Apparently.

Just like the Dems telling Reagan, you pass amnesty and then we’ll secure the border.
He did and they reneged. That situation should be the tip off on what to expect from
the gang of RINOs here. But they’re not even saying they will, they’ll just “consider” and
“potentially” act in the Country’s best interest.

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What is most disappointing is that Mike Lee’s name is in that mix. Whatever the heck has happened to Mike Lee? I understand the quest to reign in presidential powers, but now? at this time, with Trump’s National Emergency declaration at the border? Where was Mike Lee standing up against presidential powers during the Obama admin.?

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And to think, he was up there in the running to be nominated for the
Supreme Court. John Roberts 2.0 ?

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He’s right where he was when Obama was in office doing the same things. I guess he missed the sign hung next to the GOP door that everyone else has walked through (drop principles in drop box before entering)

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make them override the veto!! make those senators stand up and be known for open borders! then veto every damn bill that comes across the desk! president trump you got there to fight this crap now fight it for once!!!

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If I could give you a thousand upvotes I would Trapper.

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